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Somebody Knows Something’: New Hulu True-Crime Series, Explained · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Picture of a fifteen year old girl, you know, just
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watering plants in a quiet, sunlit suburban neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: Sounds incredibly peaceable.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, the grass is green, the sky is clear.
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It is It's just the absolute picture of mundane, everyday safety.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of place where nothing that is supposed to.
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Speaker 1: Happen exactly, and then in a fraction of a second,
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that entire illusion just shatters. A man approaches her, a
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gun is pressed to her neck, She's forced into a vehicle,
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locked inside a dark, placid storage container, and literally driven away.
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Speaker 2: God, it just it is horrifying to even visualize.
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Speaker 1: It is that terrifying pivot from complete safety to absolute nightmare.
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It happens in the blink of an eye. And well,
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what is truly schilling is the variations of this exact
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nightmare contribute to a statistic that is almost impossible to
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wrack your head around. Over six hundred thousand people go
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missing in the United States every single year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, six hundred thousand.
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Speaker 1: I mean six hundred thousand. It's just it's massive.
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Speaker 2: It is a staggering number, really, and frankly, when you
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hear a statistic that massive, the human brain almost short circuits.
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You know, it really struggles to comprehend the scale.
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Speaker 1: Right, because it just becomes a math problem.
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Speaker 2: At that point, exactly, six hundred thousand stops being a
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group of individual human beings with favorite foods and hobbies
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and families. It just becomes this abstract data point. Yeah,
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but if you take a step back and actually look
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at the reality, each one of those six hundred thousand
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represents a sudden gaping.
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Speaker 1: Hole in a family, a total void.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is a community left in total agonizing limbo.
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Speaker 1: And while many of those people are eventually found, a
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heartbreaking number of them simply vanish into the ether. They
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become the cold cases, you know, they become those faces
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on the flyers that slowly fade in the sun at
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the local grocery store.
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Speaker 2: And that's where the frustration really sets in for investigators, right.
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Speaker 1: And here's the thing that really demanded our attention when
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we were pulling together the sources for this deep dive.
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In the world of cold cases fre dorically, it often
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just takes a single credible tip from the public to
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crack a mystery wide open.
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Speaker 2: It really does just one person remembering one tiny.
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Speaker 1: Detail exactly, and that brings us to the very specific
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source material we are unpacking today. It is a brand
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new true crime docuseries from Hulu and free Form called
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Somebody Knows Something, and it is premiering Monday, August tenth,
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twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Six, which is, i have to say, positioning itself as
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a pretty stark departure from what we typically consume in
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the true crime space right now.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, it's a completely different vibe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've all seen the documentaries that lean heavily
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into the entertainment value, the productions that rely on the
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sensationalism of a crime just to keep you binge watching, right, the.
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Speaker 1: Ones that feel almost like popcorn thrillers exactly.
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Speaker 2: But this production, however, is actively trying to bypass that
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popcorn entertainment aspect. The baseline philosophy here is deeply practical.
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They are operating on the premise that modern media doesn't
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just have to be a way to pass the time
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on your couch. It can actually function as a highly coordinated,
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actionable law enforcement tool.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this, because to go from a macro
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problem of you know, six hundred thousand missing people down
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to a highly focused eight case television event that requires
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a very specific strategy.
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Speaker 2: It requires an incredible amount of curation, right, So the
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mission of our deep dive today is to really examine
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the mechanics of that strategy.
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Speaker 1: We're going to unpack the specific cold cases they have
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chosen to feature.
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Speaker 2: Which are fascinating choices by the way, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Very deliberate. And we are going to look at the
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incredibly unique psychology of the person hosting the series, and
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you know, we'll analyze how a primetime spotlight, when engineered correctly,
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might actually be the catalyst to finally bring these families
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some answers.
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Speaker 2: That is the core tension we really need to explore here,
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because this project is built entirely around the premise that
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somebody somewhere holds a missing puzzle.
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Speaker 1: Piece and they might not even realize they have it exactly.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like a massive sociological experiment in mobilizing the public.
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But you know, to understand the experiment, you first have
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to understand the architect.
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Speaker 1: I completely agree, yeah, because you cannot talk about this
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show without talking about the person leading the charge. The
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host of the series is Kara Robinson Chamberlain, and her
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origin story is well, I want to pause here for
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a second. Sure, because true crame hosts are almost universally journalists, right,
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or they are actors lending their gravitas, or maybe retired
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detectives breaking down the pursuit with usual suspect exactly. But
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Car's background is something else, entirely that fifteen year old
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girl I mentioned at the very beginning of this deep dive,
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the one watering plants in West Columbia, South Carolina in
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June two thousand and two. Yeah, that was Kara.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that detail of the broad daylight abduction. Yeah,
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It's the one thing that always completely unravels their sense
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of security. Oh, completely, because we are conditioned to believe
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that predators only operate in the shadows, you know, in
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the dead of night in bad neighborhoods. A daylight abduction
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in a safe neighborhood completely violates the social contract, The
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violates everything.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. Yeah, and the man who violated it was
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a serial killer named Richard Evidence. After he abducts her,
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he holds this teenager captive in his apartment for eighteen
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horrifying hours, Yeah, during which she was repeatedly sexually assaulted.
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I mean, I cannot even fathom the level of terror
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in that apartment.
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Speaker 2: It's unimaginable.
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Speaker 1: I am honestly struggling to understand how a teenager's brain
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doesn't just completely shut down in the situation like that.
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I mean, how do you not just freeze?
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Speaker 2: Well, the neurobiology of her survival is actually incredible. In
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situations of unimaginable trauma, the human brain typically defaults to the.
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Speaker 1: Amygdala, which is like the fear center right exactly.
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Speaker 2: It is the primitive emotional center responsible for the fight,
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flight or freeze response for most people, especially children. The
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sheer terror triggers this massive release of cortisol and adrenaline,
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and the brain essentially freezes to protect itself from the
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psychological horror. It literally shuts down the prefrontal cortex, which
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is the area responsible for logical thinking and planning.
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Speaker 1: So you basically just run on pure instinct.
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Speaker 2: Right, But in Kara's case, she somehow managed to bypass
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that amygdala hijack. While in captivity, this fifteen year old
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girl maintained the presence of mind to access her prefrontal cortex.
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Speaker 1: That is just superhuman, it really is.
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Speaker 2: She observed her surroundings, she committed details to memory. She
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planned and she just she waited.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and while her captor slept, she actually managed to
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free herself from her restraints. She quietly escaped the apartment
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and she ran to strangers who then got her to
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the police.
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Speaker 2: Which is an absolute miracle in.
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Speaker 1: Itself, totally, but her presence of mind didn't stop it
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just escaping. Because of those details she actively memorized while
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literally fighting for her life, she was able to lead
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the police right back to his front.
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Speaker 2: Door, and the ripple effect of that cognitive clarity was monumental.
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By leading them to evidence, she didn't just save.
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Speaker 1: Herself, right because he fled, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he ended up fleeing the state and later died
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by suicide during a police chase. But because Kara escaped,
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authorities were finally able to access his environment, and they
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definitively linked him to the unsolved murders of three other
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young girls in Virginia.
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Speaker 1: Sophia Silva and sisters Kristen and Kotilisk.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: So she is the one who finally gives those grieving
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families the answers they had been begging for. But I
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was thinking about this, it's like having someone who survived
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a shipwreck captaining a rescue vessel.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it right.
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Speaker 1: She knows exactly what the water feels like. She has
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this authenticity that no journalists could ever replicate. But I
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have to asked you, does this lived experience actually make
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her immune to the typical pitfalls of true crime media
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or does it add a massive, potentially crushing emotional burd
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into the production.
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Speaker 2: You know, it is a phenomenal question, and the reality
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is that it really does both well. On one hand,
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her presence acts as a structural safeguard. True crime as
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a genre constantly faces a valid criticism for being exploitative, right,
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for treating real victims as mere plot devices just for
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our entertainment.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the commodification of trauma exactly.
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Speaker 2: Car brings a survivor's empathy that just cannot be faked.
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And she intimately understands the investigative process because incredibly, she
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later graduated from the South Carolina Criminal Justice Academy.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really she became a cop.
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Speaker 2: Yes, she worked as a school resource officer and she
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investigated abuse cases, so she has both sides of the coin.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: But more importantly, she understands the long term cellular trauma
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of unresolved loss. She knows what it's like to be
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the victim in the room, and she knows what it's
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like to be the person handing devastating answers to a
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shattered family.
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Speaker 1: That has to change the whole tone of the show.
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Speaker 2: It fundamentally alters the DNA of this production. It forces
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a level of respect and centering of the families that
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might otherwise just be lost on a Hollywood production team.
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Speaker 1: But on the flip side, I mean she is carrying
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the emotional weight of every single family she speaks.
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Speaker 2: To on camera, Oh heavily. Yes.
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Speaker 1: She knows the stakes in a way that is visceral,
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not just theoretical, And I feel like her profound understanding
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of victimhood sets an incredibly intense stage for the series'
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first two.
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Speaker 2: Cases, because they don't start with typical cases, do they.
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Speaker 1: No, they don't. They start with arguably the most vulnerable
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victims of all, an infant and a teenager.
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Speaker 2: And that choice is highly deliberate when you are looking
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at the landscape of cold cases. The age and vulnerability
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of the victim dramatically change the nature of the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Right out of the gate, and the public's perception too.
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Absolutely Well, let's transition to the first case, focusing on
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that extreme vulnerability. We're looking at the nineteen ninety seven
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disappearance of Sabrina Eisenberg. Right, Sabrina was a baby. I mean,
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she was just five months old. She vantaged from her
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crib in her family's home in Valrico, Florida. The timeline
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is terrifyingly tight. Very yeah, between midnight when her mother
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Marlene reported checking on her and roughly six' four to
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two am On november twenty, fourth nineteen ninety, seven she
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was just.
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Speaker 2: Gone and this is where the physical environment of a
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crime scene can tell a very, confusing almost contradictory, story.
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Speaker 1: Right because there was no break.
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Speaker 2: In exactly the doors to the house and the garage
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were found, unlocked but there was zero sign of fourst.
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Entry investigators found some incredibly vague physical evidence like what
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well like an unidentified blonde, hair a partial shoe print
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near the, crib and some. Fingerprints but the most glaring
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absence besides the infant, herself was a highly specific item the. Blanket,
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yes a handmade blue and yellow animal print.
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Speaker 1: BLANKET a detail like that is, specific handmade. Blanket that's
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the kind of visceral detail that sticks in a community's.
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Memory it's very. Visual it's a brilliant focal point for
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a cold case because it's a physical object someone might
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actually remember. Seeing but very, quickly the attention of the
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original investigation completely turned away from the outside. World it
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turned inward, right unto the Parents steve And Marlene, eisenberg.
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Speaker 2: Which we have to acknowledge is standard procedural behavior in
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those initial, hours.
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Speaker 1: Just based on, Statistics, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Exactly in cases where infants vanished from a home with
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no forced, entry statistical probability essentially forces investigators to scrutinize
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the immediate family, first because the statistical likelihood of a
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total stranger sneaking into a house just to steal a
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baby is vanishingly small compared to domestic.
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Speaker 1: Incidents, okay that makes sense on, paper, Right.
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Speaker 2: But in The eisenberg, case that statistical starting point escalated into,
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absolute unwavering tunnel.
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Speaker 1: Vision and this is where it gets.
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Speaker 2: Crazy wiretaps were placed in The eisenberg, home and based
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on what authorities claimed they heard on those thousands of
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hours of audio, Recordings steve And marlene were actually indicted
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on federal charges in nineteen ninety nine for false statements and.
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy NOW i want to pause here for a second
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and be extremely clear with, you the, listener because we
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are maintaining strict impartiality.
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Speaker 2: Here, yes, absolutely we are strictly.
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Speaker 1: Looking at the facts of the source material and the legal,
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record and the facts are that the parents have always
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vehemently maintained their. Innocence and, furthermore the justice system ultimately
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agreed that the evidence against them was profoundly.
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Speaker 2: Flawed deeply catastrophically flawed from a legal. Standpoint when a
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judge finally reviewed that wiretap, evidence they ruled that the
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recordings were largely just inaudible.
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Speaker 1: Static wait, static, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Static the transcripts provided by the state were deemed wildly
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inaccurate or highly. Misleading. Oh as a, result the charges
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were entirely dropped in two thousand and, one and in
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a very rare, move The aisenbergs were actually reimburse substantial
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legal fees by the government under The High, amendment which
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means what exactly it essentially. Means the government formally acknowledged
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the prosecution was frivolous or.
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Speaker 1: Vexatious but, WAIT i have to push back on how
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that even. Happens how do trained investigators listen to static
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and confidently write down a transcript of a.
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Speaker 2: Confession it sounds, absurd doesn't.
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Speaker 1: It it. DOES i, mean it's like staring at one
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of those magic eye posters from the nineties for so
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long that your brain just forces a sailboat to appear
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out of sheer. Desperation did they just make it? Up
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or do they genuinely believe they were hearing?
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Speaker 2: Something that magic eye analogy is actually incredibly, accurate and
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it strikes at the heart of a well documented psychological.
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Phenomenon it's known as auditory paradolia paridolia coke combined with
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extreme confirmation. Bias paradolia is the brain's tendency to find
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meaningful patterns in random, noise like seeing faces in clouds,
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or in this, case hearing specific words in audio.
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Speaker 1: Static oh, wow so they weren't necessarily lying.
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Speaker 2: Exactly when investigators are under immense public pressure to solve
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a high profile case and they are already statistically predisposed
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to suspect the, parents their brains literally prime them to hear.
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Speaker 1: Guilt they hear what they want to.
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Speaker 2: Hear, right they aren't necessarily maliciously inventing. Evidence their brains
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are actively constructing the audio to fit the narrative they
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already believe is. True but the real tragedy here is
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the opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Cost, Right because while they were pouring thousands of man
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hours into listening to static and prosecuting a flawed, theory
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what wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Happening the search for an actual outside. Intruder, yeah the
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golden window of a missing person's investigation is the first
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forty eight. Hours if you dedicate years to prosecuting a
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theory that ultimately, collapses you haven't just lost a court,
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case you have lost the geographical and temporal window where
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the actual perpetrator could have been.
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Speaker 1: Caught and Today sabrina has still never been. Found the
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case is still. Open authorities continue to release age progressed
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images because if she is, alive she is a baby
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in a yellow blanket, anymore she is a woman approaching, thirty.
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Speaker 2: And that cognitive transition for the public is very.
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Speaker 1: Difficult, yes the requirement for the public to suddenly look
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for an adult instead of the child they remember from
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the initial news, cycle that is exactly the conceptual that
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brings us to the second.
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Speaker 2: Case Lihia Steine leshia's case is. Heartbreaking it is.
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Speaker 1: She was sixteen years. Old she was an honor student
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At George Washington High school In, Aurora, colorado.
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Speaker 2: A very bright, future incredibly.
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Speaker 1: Bright she had her whole life mapped. Out she wanted
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to be a, nurse she had already secured a hospital,
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internship and, crucially she had a job interview the very next.
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Day right but around two am On july, fifteenth twenty,
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sixteen she quietly left her.
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Speaker 2: Home and in this modern, era we almost always have
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a digital or visual. Footprint lashia's case is no. Exception
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surveillance cameras actually captured her walking alone near an intersection
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In aurora at about two point two three.
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Speaker 1: Am which is so eerie to.
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Speaker 2: See but here's the critical behavioral anomaly that completely contradicts
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the narrative that was initially pushed by. Police she left her,
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wallet her phone, charger and all her belongings.
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Speaker 1: At, home which makes zero. SENSE i, mean what sixteen
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year old running away from home to start a new
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life leaves their phone charger behind, Exactly it's practically an
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appendage for that. Generation but despite that glaring red, flag
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the police initially labeled this case a possible. Runaway yeah they.
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DID i really need you to explain this to, me
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because it seems so wilfully. Blind why do police so
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frequently default to the runaway label when a teenager, vanishes
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even when the behavioral evidence screams.
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Speaker 2: Otherwise it is a massive systemic flaw in missing persons.
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Protocols the runaway label is frequently and rapidly applied to,
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adolescents particularly teenagers of, color who leave their homes voluntarily
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in the middle of the, night just.
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Speaker 1: Because it's statistically.
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Speaker 2: Common right on a purely bureaucratic, level police departments deal
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with thousands of teenagers who storm out after an argument
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and come back three days. Later but the application of
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that label has devastating consequences.
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Speaker 1: Because it changes the police response.
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Speaker 2: Completely if police categorize a sixteen year old as a,
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runaway the urgency of the response. Evaporates they do not
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deploy the, helicopters the massive SEARCH, griz or the immediate
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media blitzes that they would for an abducted five month.
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Speaker 1: Old they just assume they'll come.
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Speaker 2: Back, Exactly they assume the subject is actively avoiding detection
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and will eventually.
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Speaker 1: Return but her family knew her family and eventually the
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investigators who inherited the case later realized this didn't fit
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her baseline behavior at, all not at. All she had
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no history of running, Away she had a job interview
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she was genuinely excited. About so the fears quickly shifted
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away from a voluntary disappearance to foul play and specifically
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the absolute terror of sex.
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Speaker 2: Trafficking, yes her mother has been incredibly vocal about her
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belief That lahiah was lured out and. Trafficked and this
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is where the public awareness really has to.
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Speaker 1: Evolve what do you, mean, well.
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Speaker 2: The trafficking pipeline often exploits that exact, vulnerability a teenager
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stepping out into the night thinking they are meeting someone they,
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know only to be.
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Speaker 1: Intercepted, oh that is.
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Speaker 2: Chilling leshia would be in her mid twenties today when
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this series. Airs it is actively demanding that the audience
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look past that high school yearbook.
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Speaker 1: Photo, Right they had to see the adult.
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Speaker 2: Exactly they have to understand the insidious nature of coercion
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and trafficking and realize that the person they need to
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spot might be a young woman who appears to be
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living an adult life but is actually trapped in a
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cycle of.
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Speaker 1: Exploitation it requires a massive shift in how we process these.
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Images we're looking for, survivors not just. Victims and it's
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interesting because if we pull back and look at the environments,
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here Both sabrina And leashaya disappeared from their immediate.
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Speaker 2: Home, environments, RIGHT a crib and a local neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Intersection, yeah but the series then pivots pretty. Dramatically the
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next set of. Cases we're looking at grown, men and
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they don't vanish from their living. Rooms they vanish into,
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vast incredibly unforgiving geographic, environments.
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Speaker 2: Which changes the entire forensic. Landscape geography itself becomes the
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primary antagonist in these. Investigations let's talk About Stephen.
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Speaker 1: Kucher stephen was a thirty year old, man a Devout,
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mormon a journalist and advertising salesman who had been living
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In Saint, George. Utah On december, thirteenth two thousand and,
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nine high definition security cameras in a retirement community In, Henderson,
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Nevada Sun City anthem catch him pulling his White Chevy
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cavalier into a very quiet cul de.
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Speaker 2: Sack broad daylight, again right, Exactly.
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Speaker 1: It's eleven fifty four. Am he parks the, car he gets,
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out and he simply walks down the sidewalk. Alone he
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looks completely, purposeful and then he effectively walks off the
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edge of the.
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Speaker 2: Earth his car was just found abandoned right there in
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that cul de, sac and the inventory of that car is.
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Baffling h that's. Weird inside police Found christmas, gifts winter,
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coats and personal, items but his cell, phone his, wallet
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and his driver's license were.
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Speaker 1: Gone which immediately raises questions about his state of. Mind
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we know from the investigation that he had been driving,
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long erratic distances Across utah And nevada.
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Speaker 2: In the week, prior and the timeline is crucial.
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Speaker 1: Here two thousand and. Nine this is the height of
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The Great. Recession he was struggling to find, work he
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was behind on his REN a neighbor even reported that
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he had recently asked for. Money so there is very
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clear crushing psychological stress or. Present but here's the part
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that trips me. Out his cell phone activity continued to
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ping off towers in The Las vegas area for days
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after he physically walked away from that.
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Speaker 2: Car, yes the, pings so.
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Speaker 1: Help me out. HERE i thought cell phone pings were
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BASICALLY gps. Trackers if his phone is, pinging how do
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they not just walk right to?
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Speaker 2: Him this raises an important, question and it is a
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huge misconception that we really need to clarify because it
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highlights the illusion of our modern digitally tracked.
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Speaker 1: Society, right we all think our phones are a little
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ankle monitors.
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Speaker 2: Exactly we assume that because we all carry, smartphones we
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just can't. Disappear but a cell tower ping in two
20:45
thousand and nine is not A gps. Coordinator it's. Not,
20:47
now when your phone connects to a, tower it just
20:50
tells the NETWORK i am somewhere within the coverage radius
20:53
of this specific. Antenna OH i see in a, sprawling
20:57
topographically complex environment like The ada desert on the edge
21:01
Of Las, vegas that radius could be miles. Wide it
21:04
doesn't give you a dot on a. Map it gives
21:06
you a massive pie shaped wedge of raw desert and suburban.
21:09
Speaker 1: Sprawl. Wow so it's basically useless for a pinpoint. Search pretty.
21:13
Speaker 2: Much, so you have a man captured in high definition
21:15
parking his, car but once he steps out of the camera's,
21:18
frame that electronic trail degrades into useless.
21:21
Speaker 1: Noise So it's like a locked room, mystery but the
21:24
room is an open desert cul de. Sac the camera
21:28
shows and go, in but there is no footage of
21:30
him ever coming.
21:31
Speaker 2: Out that's a great.
21:32
Speaker 1: Analogy and if we look at the next, Case kevin,
21:36
McGrath it is the exact same dynamic but. Amplified it
21:40
is a locked room mystery where the room is a
21:43
floating city in the middle of the.
21:44
Speaker 2: Ocean kevin's case is one that completely defies logic. Completely
21:48
kevin was a twenty six year Old army veteran and a.
21:50
Father In september twenty twenty, three he was on A
21:52
Carnival conquest cruise celebrating his own father's sixtieth birthday over
21:57
A Labor day. Weekend it's like a great, time. Right
21:59
this wasn't a solo. Trip he was surrounded by a
22:01
massive group of family and.
22:02
Speaker 1: Friends the ship is sailing a standard route From Port
22:05
miami to The bahamas and. Back his brother reports last
22:09
Seeing kevin in their shared cabin around two am On september.
22:13
Fourth the digital logs show that at three point thirty,
22:16
Am kevin's key card is, used and then morning. Comes
22:20
the family gathers for, breakfast And kevin isn't.
22:22
Speaker 2: There now you have to understand the environment of a
22:25
modern cruise. Ship every single inch of public space is heavily.
22:29
Speaker 1: Surveiled, OH i.
22:30
Speaker 2: Know you have instantaneous key card, logs you have high
22:33
definition cameras covering the hallways and, decks and, crucially modern
22:38
ships are equipped with overboard detection. Systems. Right these are
22:42
complex arrays designed specifically to alert the bridge the moment
22:46
a mass the size of a human goes over the.
22:48
Speaker 1: Railing, WAIT i need to stop you right, there BECAUSE
22:51
i have been on these modern. Megaships they are essentially
22:53
floating surveillance. STATES i really. Are you can't buy a
22:56
soda without it being tracked on your. Folio i'm genuinely
22:59
struggling to under stand the physical mechanics of how a
23:02
grown man just evaporates without tripping a single. Sensor are
23:06
these overboard systems just security? Theater are there actually blind?
23:10
Spots it is.
23:11
Speaker 2: Not entirely security, theater but it is certainly not a
23:13
fool proof. Net these overboard systems typically rely on a
23:16
combination of thermal imaging and lightar, lidar, yeah which uses
23:21
lasers to measure distance and detect. Movement past the perimeter
23:25
of the. Ship but the marine environment is incredibly.
23:28
Speaker 1: Harsh well because of the salt and stuff.
23:29
Speaker 2: Exactly, saltwater heavy, rain sea, spray and the sheer matibration
23:34
of the ship can degrade these sensors over. Time, furthermore
23:38
the architecture of the ship creates inevitable blind. Spots black,
23:41
wear balcony, dividers, lifeboats and structural overhangs can easily block
23:46
a camera or a sensor's line of sight that. Maense
23:49
but here is the most baffling part Of kevin's. Case
23:52
when they realized he was, missing they initiated a massive
23:56
systematic search of the entire. Ship they reviewed all the surveillance,
24:00
footage they audited the overboard. Sensors. Nothing there was zero
24:04
evidence he went into the. Water and when the ship
24:07
finally docked back In, MIAMI Us customs And Border protection
24:11
had absolutely no record of him ever.
24:12
Speaker 1: Debarking so he didn't go on the water and he
24:15
didn't get off the. Ship but the coastguard still got,
24:17
involved right, Yeah and they searched roughly three three hundred
24:21
square nautical miles of ocean before finally suspending the. Search
24:25
how do investigators even balance? This you have physical evidence
24:29
Like stephen leaving his car full Of christmas gifts in
24:32
the desert Or kevin's key card being used at three
24:35
point thirty, am against the complete and total lack of
24:38
physical remains in these, massive unforgiving geographic, areas.
24:42
Speaker 2: It becomes an agonizing process of elimination where you can
24:46
never fully eliminate anything with one hundred percent. Certainty With
24:50
stephen leaving The christmas gifts strongly suggests he intended to
24:53
return to the, car or at least that he didn't
24:55
intend to hike into a new life carrying heavy winter.
24:57
Speaker 1: Coats, obviously but the.
24:59
Speaker 2: Vastness of the desert means a person suffering from spatial
25:02
disorientation or dehydration could succumb to the elements just a mile, away,
25:07
and depending on the ruggedness of the, terrain searchers might
25:09
walk right past them for.
25:10
Speaker 1: Decades that is so bleak With.
25:12
Speaker 2: Kevin the math of ocean currents complicates. Everything if someone
25:16
does go. Overboard search and rescue uses complex drift models
25:20
based on wind and tide to calculate a search, grid but.
25:22
Speaker 1: They don't even know when he went in.
25:24
Speaker 2: Exactly without knowing the exact time of, entry that three
25:27
three hundred mile grid is just an educated. Guess investigators
25:32
are forced to consider incredibly, dark highly improbable scenarios like
25:36
what like someone hiding on the ship successfully or foul
25:40
play that miraculously bypassed all technology because the simple probable
25:45
scenarios have seemingly been ruled out by the lack of.
25:48
Speaker 1: Data it's just the existential dread of the landscape swallowing someone.
25:52
Whole but what happens when the landscape isn't an isolated
25:55
desert or the, dark open. Ocean that's a scary. Thought
25:58
what happens when the landscape is a bustling school filled
26:01
with children or a suburban front lawn on The tuesday,
26:03
Morning because that is where the series takes us. Next and,
26:07
honestly these cases might be the most chilling of all.
26:10
Speaker 2: Because they completely shatter our basic social. Contract they demonstrate
26:13
that violence can intrude on the spaces we consider our
26:16
ultimate sanctuary.
26:17
Speaker 1: Exactly let's look at the case Of Chiren. Horman in twenty.
26:21
Ten karen was just seven years. Old he's a second
26:24
grader At Skyline Elementary school in The, Portland oregon. Area
26:27
On june, fourth he was at the school for a
26:29
science fair with his, Stepmother Terry, horman and.
26:32
Speaker 2: She stated to police that she last saw him walking
26:34
down the hallway toward his classroom at approximately eight point
26:38
four to five in the. Morning right, now picture an
26:41
elementary school hallway on the morning of a science. Fair
26:44
it is absolute. Chaos it is a, bustling noisy environment
26:48
full of, parents, teachers and students moving in every. Direction
26:52
and the.
26:52
Speaker 1: Absolute nightmare of this specific timeline is that his absence
26:57
wasn't even fully realized until that. Afternoon he didn't get
27:00
off the school bus at the end of the.
27:01
Speaker 2: Day that is just gut.
27:03
Speaker 1: Wrenching that delay and realization is, critical isn't.
27:06
Speaker 2: It it is the most destructive element of the. Investigation
27:09
memory is incredibly.
27:10
Speaker 1: Volatile, really even just a few hours.
27:12
Speaker 2: Later oh, Absolutely if you ask a teacher or a
27:15
parent at nine, am did you see a little boy
27:17
in A CSI t shirt five minutes? Ago they might
27:20
remember because it just, happened, Right but if you ask
27:22
them at four, pm who did you see in the
27:24
hallway at eight forty five, am their brain has already
27:27
overwritten that mundane information with the events of the entire.
27:31
Speaker 1: Day, wow that makes, sense but it's so, frustrating the.
27:34
Speaker 2: Search For kiren became the largest criminal investigation In oregon's.
27:37
History over a thousand searchers scoured the woods around the.
27:41
Speaker 1: School, now the public attention very quickly locked onto his,
27:45
Stepmother TERRY. A. Horn there were explosive reports that surfaced
27:49
in the media of an alleged murder for higher plot
27:52
Involving kyne's, father which obviously cast immense intense suspicion her.
27:56
Way but, again to you the, listener we are maintaining
28:00
strict impartiality. Here Terry horman has consistently and vehemently denied
28:05
any involvement In kiene's, disappearance and she has never been
28:09
charged with a. Crime no rests have ever been made
28:11
in this, case.
28:12
Speaker 2: And that lack of an, arrest despite the unprecedented scale
28:15
of the, investigation is what keeps this case open and. Haunting,
28:19
yeah but what's fascinating from a modern investigative standpoint is
28:22
how a case from twenty ten is being handled.
28:24
Speaker 1: Today, oh because of new.
28:25
Speaker 2: Tech, yes The Moltnoma County Sheriff's office hasn't given. Up
28:29
they have recently digitized thousands of analog, documents witness, statements
28:33
and pieces of evidence.
28:34
Speaker 1: That sounds like a massive. Undertaking it.
28:36
Speaker 2: Is they are applying new digital analytical tool software that
28:40
can cross reference timelines and statements to find discrepancies that
28:44
a human eye might have missed in a mountain of paper.
28:46
Speaker 1: Files it's like they are panning for gold in their own,
28:49
archives you, know hoping new algorithmic technology will catch a
28:53
glimmer of truth they miss back, then, exactly there is
28:56
still a fifty thousand dollars reward active And kiren's, Mother Desiree,
29:01
young has never stopped. Advocating but, again it all goes
29:05
back to that eight forty five am. Timeline it's, daytime
29:08
it's a place of, learning and we see that same
29:10
daytime terror in the next, Case Liz.
29:13
Speaker 2: Barraza this case is a terrifying masterclass and calculated predatory
29:17
behavior hiding in plain.
29:18
Speaker 1: Sight it really. Is liz was twenty nine years. Old
29:21
she was a data, reporter and just to give you
29:23
a sense of who she, was she was a deeply
29:25
devoted member of The fible First, legion The Star wars, group, Right,
29:28
yeah that's the huge International Star wars costuming group that
29:31
does charity. Work she was setting up a garage sale
29:34
outside her home In, Tomball, texas a suburb right Near,
29:37
houston early on the morning Of january twenty, five twenty.
29:41
Nineteen her husband had literally just pulled out of the
29:44
driveway to go to. Work it is six feve two.
29:47
Am people are waking, up pouring, coffee getting ready.
29:50
Speaker 2: For the, day and her own neighborhood surveillance cameras capture what. Happens,
29:53
next a figure approaches her in the.
29:55
Speaker 1: Driveway just walks right up to.
29:57
Speaker 2: Her, yes but this person is in fold. Skies they
30:01
are wearing a long, coat, boots and what appears to
30:04
be a wig or very long. Hair it is deliberate theatrical.
30:09
Speaker 1: Camouflage and the footage is so hard to comprehend because
30:14
it Shows liz greeting the. Person she clearly thinks this
30:17
is just an early bird shopper looking for a deal
30:20
at her garage. Sale.
30:21
Speaker 2: Right she's completely.
30:22
Speaker 1: Unsuspecting but then this individual pulls a gun and shoots
30:26
her multiple. Times the reports indicate four shots were, fired
30:30
including a final horrific execution style shot while she was
30:33
already incapacitated on the. Ground God the shooter then calmly
30:37
gets into a dark Colored nissan frontier or a very
30:39
similar truck and just drives. Away they didn't steal the cash,
30:42
box they didn't go in the.
30:43
Speaker 2: House it was an. Assassination there's no other criminological word for.
30:46
Speaker 1: It it's just.
30:47
Speaker 2: Evil it was, targeted it was cold, blooded and, crucially
30:50
the vehicle had actually been seen on camera prowling the neighborhood,
30:54
earlier essentially waiting for the husband.
30:57
Speaker 1: To, leave waiting for the perfect.
30:58
Speaker 2: Moment, yes this plays directly into what criminologists call routine activity,
31:03
theory looks that criminals exploit the predictable routines of our daily.
31:08
Lives they know when the neighborhood is, quietest when spouse's
31:11
leave for, work when the target is.
31:13
Speaker 1: Distracted Harris canty, investigators The Texas, rangers THE, fbi they
31:17
have all worked this. Case there is a massive fifty
31:21
thousand dollars crime stoppers, reward but the killer's identity and
31:26
the motive remain a complete.
31:28
Speaker 2: Mystery it's incredibly frustrating for law.
31:30
Speaker 1: ENFORCEMENT i just don't understand how someone can commit a,
31:33
disguised targeted execution in a quiet suburban neighborhood at seven
31:37
in the, morning be caught on multiple angles of video
31:40
and just vanish.
31:41
Speaker 2: Because the disguise successfully disrupted our ability to identify facial,
31:45
geometry and because the vehicle provided immediate egress to get
31:48
away car, right a vehicle allows an offender to violently
31:53
intersect with a victim's, life inflict catastrophic, damage and then
31:57
completely remove themselves from the crime scene before law enforcement
32:01
is even.
32:02
Speaker 1: Dialed that's terrifying.
32:03
Speaker 2: In cases Like kiren's And. Lizes the digital, evidence the school,
32:08
logs the neighborhood ring, cameras they capture the periphery of the,
32:12
event but they don't give you the core. Truth you
32:15
have the what on, video but you are completely blind
32:18
to the who and the.
32:18
Speaker 1: Why and that idea of vehicles acting as this, critical
32:22
almost ghostly element of a crime scene leads us consexually
32:26
right into the final two cases of the, series.
32:28
Speaker 2: Because the vehicles are the focal point, here, right.
32:31
Speaker 1: Because in these, cases the vehicles didn't just help someone.
32:34
Escape the vehicles were the only things left behind in the,
32:36
wild holding all the.
32:37
Speaker 2: Secrets the physical staging and condition of an abandoned vehicle
32:40
can completely dictate the trajectory of an entire.
32:43
Speaker 1: Investigation let's look at the disappearance Of Amy. Robectel it's
32:48
the summer of nineteen ninety. Seven amy is twenty four years.
32:51
Old she is an incredibly accomplished distance runner at The
32:54
university Of, wyoming actually aspiring to qualify for The. Olympics.
32:58
Speaker 2: Wow she was an elite, athlete very.
33:00
Speaker 1: Elite she works locally as a photographer and a fitness.
33:03
Instructor On july twenty, fourth she is out running errands
33:06
in the town of Land, Or, wyoming and then she
33:09
heads out to the Wind River range to scout or
33:12
jog a root for an upcoming ten k race on
33:15
a stretch Called Loop.
33:16
Speaker 2: Road if you aren't familiar with the window of a,
33:18
range you really need to understand the.
33:20
Speaker 1: Scale it's.
33:20
Speaker 2: Massive it is immense, rugged highly isolated. Wilderness the topography is.
33:26
Brutal and later that night or early the next, morning
33:29
her car is found just sitting. There, yes it's a
33:31
White toyota station. Wagon it's parked at a dirt turn.
33:34
Off it is, unlocked the keys are still, inside her
33:36
sunglasses are sitting, there and there's a handwritten to do
33:40
list resting in.
33:40
Speaker 1: The, car a completely pristine. Scene the church for her
33:43
was one of the largest In wyoming's history involving, dogs, horses,
33:47
Helicopter shebye's looking for, her and because of where she,
33:51
was the initial theories heavily favored an environmental. Tragedy did
33:56
she suffer a catastrophic accidental injury while running off? Trail
34:00
was there a bear or mountain lion, attack.
34:02
Speaker 2: Which is a very logical starting point in that.
34:04
Speaker 1: Terrain but eventually the attention turned back toward her personal,
34:07
life specifically her, husband again taking no sides and reporting the.
34:11
Facts her husband has fiercely denied any involvement. Whatsoever investigators
34:16
also looked at other men in the, area even exploring
34:18
possible links years later to a convicted killer Named Dale,
34:22
eaton but no trace Of amy has ever been.
34:25
Speaker 2: Found what is psychologically striking About amy's case is the
34:29
profound emptiness of that. Vehicle what do you, Mean, well
34:33
an unlocked car with the keys and a to do
34:35
list sitting on the seat suggests someone who stepped away
34:37
for a brief moment and fully intended to come right.
34:40
Speaker 1: Back, yeah she wasn't leaving for good.
34:42
Speaker 2: Exactly the vehicle itself offers absolutely no forensic clues of,
34:45
violence no, blood no signs of a. Struggle it is
34:48
just a silent monument to her, DISAPPEARANCE.
34:51
Speaker 1: A silent monument that's a hunting way to say.
34:54
Speaker 2: It now contrasts that pristine silence with the final case
34:58
in the, Series Brandy Hall.
34:59
Speaker 1: Right the contrast here is. Staggering brandy was thirty two
35:02
years old in two thousand and, six a mother of
35:05
two and a career Firefighter, Okay she was volunteering at
35:09
The malibar Fire station In florida after having some issues
35:12
with her previous department In Palm. Bay On august, seventeenth
35:16
she leaves the fire station around ten point four five
35:18
or ten point five to one, pm telling her colleagues
35:21
she needs to go.
35:22
Speaker 2: Home she never makes, it and the next day they
35:25
find her, vehicle but it is not a pristine, car
35:28
neatly parked on a mountain road far from. It her
35:31
Green chevrolet truck is found completely submerged in a local
35:34
pond In Palm, bay and when they pull it, out
35:37
inside the cab of the, truck they find a substantial
35:40
amount Of brandy's blood and.
35:41
Speaker 1: The crime scene just gets more chaotic from. There later,
35:44
on her backpack is found floating at a completely separate.
35:46
Canal other personal items surface over time in different. Locations
35:50
it's very. Messy but here's where it gets really. Interesting
35:52
In brandy's, case it's almost like a screenplay with way
35:55
too many. Suspects her personal life at that exact moment
35:58
was incredibly. Complex complex are we?
36:00
Speaker 2: Talking?
36:01
Speaker 1: Well her husband was facing imminent sentencing related to a marijuana,
36:04
operation and she was allegedly having an affair with a fire,
36:07
captain and the phone records from that night show extensive
36:12
frantic contact happening between multiple.
36:14
Speaker 2: Parties, wow it is the absolute inverse Of amy's.
36:17
Speaker 1: Case.
36:18
Speaker 2: Ailee amy's case features an isolated victim with a relatively straightforward,
36:22
life leaving a, clean silent. Scene brandy's case features a,
36:27
violent bloody scene deliberately submerged in water in an attempt
36:30
to destroy forensic, evidence all wrapped in a highly volatile interpersonal.
36:35
Speaker 1: Web, yeah it's a.
36:36
Speaker 2: Lot you have a drug, operation an, affair, looming prison
36:40
time for a. Spouse it is a cacophony of.
36:42
Speaker 1: Motives that is exactly WHAT i want to ask you.
36:44
About how do detectives filter out the noise of someone's
36:47
dramatic personal life to find the actual facts of the.
36:50
Crime it's not easy because when you have an illegal
36:53
drug up and a secret. Affair, literally everyone is a,
36:56
suspect and everyone has a vested motive to lie to
36:59
the police just to protect her own.
37:00
Speaker 2: Secrets it is incredibly, difficult and it is where forensic
37:05
science has to take the absolute lead over witness. Testimony people.
37:09
Lie blood spattered is not. Right you have a submerged
37:13
truck and a significant amount of. Blood the mechanics of
37:16
how blood reacts and, water how it pools or washes,
37:19
away can tell investigators if she was injured inside the
37:23
truck or placed.
37:24
Speaker 1: There, Later so they focus on the physical, truth.
37:26
Speaker 2: That is physical. Reality then you have the digital. Reality
37:29
the phone records sell, pings despite their geographical, imprecision as
37:33
we discussed, earlier provide an unalterable chronological timeline of who
37:37
was awake and.
37:38
Speaker 1: Communicating it's about building a timeline.
37:40
Speaker 2: Exactly investigators have to anchor themselves entirely to those indisputable,
37:45
facts the blood and the, timeline and then overlay the personal.
37:48
Drama who actually had the physical, opportunity based on the
37:52
timeline of the phone records to put that truck in that.
37:54
Speaker 1: Pond that makes a lot of.
37:55
Speaker 2: Sense, interestingly, recently new tips from the public have actually
37:59
prompt did fresh physical searches By Palm Bay police nearly
38:03
twenty years, later which proves that even in a case
38:06
drowning and, noise the right tip can cut straight through the.
38:09
Speaker 1: Static and that, concept right there is the macro. Picture
38:13
we've laid out the specifics of all eight of these baffling,
38:17
cases from infants In florida to runners In wyoming to firefighters.
38:22
Speaker 2: In, florida demanning.
38:23
Speaker 1: Decades, yeah and the entire operating premise Of Somebody Knows
38:27
something is that the audience watching at home holds the
38:30
key to filtering that. Noise but we have to talk
38:34
about the ecosystem this show is entering into because true
38:36
crime has, Changed it really.
38:38
Speaker 2: Has the true crime ecosystem is a very, crowded very,
38:41
fraught and highly debated space right, now and to its,
38:44
credit the series itself openly acknowledges this in its foundational.
38:47
Materials there has been, massive completely valid criticism over the
38:51
last decade that true crime media prioritizes sensationalism over actual.
38:56
Speaker 1: Justice, yeah that just exploits.
38:57
Speaker 2: People that it takes the worst day of someone's life
39:00
turns it into evening. Entertainment and in the process relentlessly
39:04
re traumatizes the families of the victims by digging up
39:07
old wounds without offering any real.
39:09
Speaker 1: Help but this production is trying to build a different
39:12
kind of. Machine they are explicitly centering the. Families they
39:16
are ensuring that every single episode stands entirely, Alone.
39:20
Speaker 2: Right so you don't have to watch a serialized mystery
39:22
that leaves you on a.
39:23
Speaker 1: Cliffhanger, exactly no cliffhangers. Here and most, importantly every episode
39:28
ends with a, direct practical appeal to the viewers to
39:32
contact law, enforcement not the show's.
39:33
Speaker 2: Producers.
39:34
Speaker 1: Right they are trying to hoard the tips for a
39:36
dramatic season two. Reveal they're pointing the public directly to
39:39
the police and local crime.
39:41
Speaker 2: Stoppers and they are utilizing the modern digital landscape by
39:45
extending the conversation to a dedicated YouTube channel for additional
39:48
reporting and. Updates but this brings us to the phenomenon
39:51
of internet.
39:52
Speaker 1: Slothing oh, boy the.
39:54
Speaker 2: Sleuths, yes the source material correctly identifies internet sleuth communities
39:58
as a deeply double edged. Force on one, hand crowdsourcing
40:03
can be, Brilliant, definitely having thousands of fresh eyes looking
40:07
at a map a timeline or a background detail in
40:09
a video can surface a, bizarre overlooked fact that exhausted detectives.
40:15
Speaker 1: Missed it's like an open source software. Project it is
40:19
incredibly powerful because thousands of independent developers are looking at
40:23
the code and finding creative.
40:25
Speaker 2: Solutions that's a good way to look at, it but it.
40:27
Speaker 1: Is deeply dangerous because, anyone at any time can introduce
40:32
a catastrophic, bug, or in the case of true, crime
40:36
a viral piece of.
40:37
Speaker 2: Misinformation, precisely the unmoderated nature of A reddit, thread A facebook,
40:42
group or a TikTok comment section can lead to the
40:44
rapid spread of, wild baseless.
40:46
Speaker 1: Theories we've seen it happen so many, times and.
40:49
Speaker 2: We have seen the dark side of. This it can
40:51
lead to the targeted harassment of innocent people who just
40:54
happen to be tangentially related to a, case or who
40:56
just looks suspicious to an amateur online. Detective we've seen
40:59
live ruined by mob.
41:01
Speaker 1: Justice so there is this profound psychological difference between a,
41:05
structured anonymous police tip line where professionals fill to the,
41:08
data in a public internet forum where the, loudest most
41:11
sensational voice.
41:12
Speaker 2: Wins if we connect this to the bigger picture of modern.
41:15
Justice the families of the missing are caught in an impossible.
41:18
Bind how so, Well they often state that the hardest
41:22
part of their ordeal isn't necessarily the media. Circus it
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is the silence that follows when the media circus packs
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up and leaves.
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Speaker 1: Town, oh that makes. Sense they want people talking about.
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Speaker 2: It they desperately want the. Visibility but the, intense sometimes
41:35
reckless scrutiny of a primetime true crime audience can actively
41:40
complicate an open police investigation if people start tampering with
41:44
evidence or harassing. Witnesses. Right that is exactly Why Karl
41:48
Robinson chamberlain's role as the host is so. Vital she
41:51
acts as an empathetic.
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Speaker 1: Bridge she gets both.
41:54
Speaker 2: Sides she understands the family's desperate need for noise and,
41:57
attention but because of her law enforcement, background she deeply
42:00
respects the police's need for order and a.
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Speaker 1: Protocol she is trying to channel the public's inherent fascination,
42:07
productively and, honestly that leaves a massive responsibility on the
42:11
shoulders of the. Viewer it really. DOES i want you
42:13
listening right now to consider your own, consumption, habits when
42:17
it comes to true, crime are you watching just to
42:20
solve a, puzzle to get a little adrenaline rush on
42:23
A tuesday, night or are you watching to actually bear
42:26
witness and help a. Family because this show is asking
42:30
you to do the.
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Speaker 2: Latter it is asking for, active responsible. Participation it is,
42:35
saying look closely at the details of The eisenberg, blanket
42:38
examine the behavioral timeline Of Leshiah, stein study the vehicle In, Tomball.
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Speaker 1: Texas because somebody knows something and.
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Speaker 2: That somebody might just need the right prompt to remember.
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Speaker 1: It we have covered a massive amount of ground. Today
42:51
we started with the, sheer overwhelming reality of six hundred
42:55
thousand missing persons in this, country a huge, number and
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we look at how one Extraordinary Karl Robinson chamberlain is
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trying to use her own trauma and cognitive resilience to
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guide a new kind of investigative. Docusaries we've walked through
43:10
eight incredibly, distinct heartbreaking, mysteries.
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Speaker 2: From the absolute vulnerability of a baby taken from a
43:16
crib to a grown man vanishing from a floating city
43:19
in the.
43:19
Speaker 1: Ocean we've looked at the terror of daytime violence in
43:22
our safe spaces and vehicles left behind as, silent confounding
43:26
monuments to.
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Speaker 2: Tragedy and through it, all the underlying thread is the
43:30
profound power of human, observation, right the realization that justice
43:35
isn't always delivered by a brilliant detective and a trench
43:38
coat finding a microscopic fiber in a. Lab sometimes it
43:42
relies entirely on.
43:44
Speaker 1: Us so as we wrap up this deep, DIVE i
43:46
want to leave you with something to really mull. Over
43:49
we've seen how keeping these stories alive in the public
43:51
consciousness is the first necessary step toward finding. Resolution but
43:57
the reality of how these cold cases actually get solved
44:00
something we all need to.
44:01
Speaker 2: Internalize if a single tip can crack a case that
44:04
has been cold for nearly thirty, years it means the
44:07
answers to our greatest mysteries aren't usually hidden in a
44:09
brilliant criminal mastermind's.
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Speaker 1: Lair, no they usually.
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Speaker 2: Are they are sitting in the, mundane everyday memory of
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a regular person who simply hasn't realized the importance of
44:18
what they. Saw yet what forgotten seemingly insignificant detail from
44:23
your own past might actually be the missing piece to
44:25
someone else's.
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Speaker 1: Puzzle thank you so much for joining us on this deep.
44:28
Dive keep your eyes, open stay, curious and remember that
44:32
paying attention to the world around you actually. Matters we'll
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catch you next. Time