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Another update on Operation Epic Fury, plus "Felony Review" by Randy Barnett · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: you all America. I'm Hugh Hewitt in Relief Doctors Studio
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  Speaker 1: East inside the Beltway.
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  Speaker 2: It's cold, and boyd we have.
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  Speaker 1: We had win last night that I actually kind of
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  Speaker 1: almost thought, may have to go to the basement. Didn't
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  Speaker 1: quite sound like a train. That's what we were trained
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio all those years. If it sounds like a train,
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  Speaker 1: go to the basement. Wasn't quite like a train. But
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  Speaker 1: they're trees down all over the place. Nobody that I
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  Speaker 1: know is injured, so that's good news. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people got injured, batties, bad guys in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Actually they got killed yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I'm reading from Iran International English right now. The Israeli
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  Speaker 1: Airstrak killed Iran's top security official Ali Laren. Johnny also
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  Speaker 1: killed his deputy at the Supreme National Security Council Ali Batteri,
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  Speaker 1: as well as Lara Janni's son, who served as his
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  Speaker 1: sfessional assistant, in Formed sources told Iran International Kassim Korayashi,
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  Speaker 1: deputy out of the besieged paramilitary organization, was also killed
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  Speaker 1: in the Israeli strike on the besiege meeting. The sources
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  Speaker 1: said the meeting was able to discuss how to confront
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  Speaker 1: potential protests during the Persian Festival of Fireworks Wednesday, which
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  Speaker 1: is now under way in Iran. Well, not many people
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  Speaker 1: putting up their hand to replace Laren Johnny. I think
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  Speaker 1: they've got to have someone. And I've said it. I
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  Speaker 1: said it on Fox News two hours ago, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: say it to you right now. There was a period
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  Speaker 1: of time in the eighties when I was in the
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  Speaker 1: Reagae administration when the Soviet leader would keep dying. Breizhnev
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  Speaker 1: died then and Bop died, then Chernenko died. Then we
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  Speaker 1: got Gorbachev. So maybe eventually we will get someone with
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  Speaker 1: whom President Trump can deal, but not yet. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: to the tape President Trump had the I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: if he's the president. I think these Ireland's president Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister Michael Martin and the Oval for our gaggle today
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  Speaker 1: Cut number five.
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  Speaker 3: We're not ready to leave yet, but we will be
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  Speaker 3: leaving in the near future.
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  Speaker 4: We'll be leaving in pretty much the very near future.
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  Speaker 3: But right now they've been decimated from every standpoint. And
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  Speaker 3: again we've had great support from countries in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: great support, but we've had no support from essentially no
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  Speaker 3: support from NATO, and.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham joined me today and casting into an eye
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  Speaker 1: at NATO and saying, what have we been defend you
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  Speaker 1: for for all these years? And maybe this is the
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  Speaker 1: moment that the pivot really begins.
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  Speaker 2: Europe. You're on your own. Take care of yourself.
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  Speaker 1: You're no good to the world, You're no good to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Help the Ukrainians. We've got to take care of the
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  Speaker 1: Pacific where the China threat is because the EU is
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  Speaker 1: completely nuts and we're not getting any ships from anyone,
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  Speaker 1: not even a symbolic mind sweeper from our special relationship
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  Speaker 1: ally Great Britain. What a shame. Michael Martin. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I want to jump down this. There's a bust of
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  Speaker 1: Winston Churchill in the Oval now, I don't expect Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump to really know that the Irish hate Winston Churchill.
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  Speaker 2: But cu cut number twelve.
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  Speaker 3: You see that man, Dad, You know that is Winston
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  Speaker 3: the late Great Winston Churchill. And Barack Cusay Obama did
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  Speaker 3: not want his bust in this office, did you know?
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  Speaker 3: And Barack Cusain Obama sent that bus back to England.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't want it.
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  Speaker 3: And when I came in, I was asked if I
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  Speaker 3: wanted I said absolutely, I want it, and I put
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  Speaker 3: it right.
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  Speaker 5: There Winston Churchill.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, unfortunately, here is not Winston Churchill.
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  Speaker 1: Here is not an ouch, not even close to Winston Churchill.
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  Speaker 1: Back to the joint gaggle, the President is asked about
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  Speaker 1: how much Iran means to him, Cut number six.
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  Speaker 4: Iran is just a military operation.
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  Speaker 3: To me, Iran is something that was essentially largely over
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  Speaker 3: in two or three days because the Navy was wiped
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  Speaker 3: out almost immediately. The air force came next, the anti
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  Speaker 3: aircraft came next. I mean, we're flying over Iran. We
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  Speaker 3: could take out their electric capacity.
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  Speaker 4: In one hour.
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  Speaker 3: We have all the There's nothing they can do right
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  Speaker 3: now because everything is knocked out.
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  Speaker 4: They have no again, no rate are no anti aircraft.
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  Speaker 4: They have nothing and.
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  Speaker 6: We don't.
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  Speaker 4: And it was a decision I made.
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  Speaker 3: Were discussed Pete Marco jd All of US Chris, we
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  Speaker 3: discussed it. We can knock out their electricity in a
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  Speaker 3: matter of minutes if we wanted to.
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  Speaker 4: There's nothing they can do about it.
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  Speaker 5: We can knock out their oil and carg Island.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing we didn't take down was the role
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  Speaker 3: because if we knock out I call them the pipes
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  Speaker 3: very complex. But if you do that, it'll take them
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  Speaker 3: for effort to rebuild, meaning whoever and hopefully it's a
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  Speaker 3: SAE group of people.
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  Speaker 4: But whoever it is, it's going to be running that and.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to try to get people that are going
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  Speaker 3: to run it well. And you know it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a prosperous, wonderful place.
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  Speaker 4: It used to be.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you go back, it used to be
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  Speaker 3: a very The people are great, the people are smart, energetic.
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  Speaker 4: And it used to be very successful.
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  Speaker 5: Now it's a country run by fear.
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  Speaker 4: It's a country where they.
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  Speaker 3: Tell protesters don't go out because if you do, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to kill you.
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  Speaker 2: He's right about that.
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  Speaker 1: It used to be a very prospering country. It was
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  Speaker 1: progressing well under the Shaw until he was deposed in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Now I want to talk about a
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  Speaker 1: resignation that happened today.
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  Speaker 5: Joe Kent.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know Congressman Kent. He was a congressman for
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  Speaker 1: two terms. He was a Libertarian who became a Democrat
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  Speaker 1: who became a congressman. A Republican congressman from Washington State
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  Speaker 1: lost his seat. He became the director of the Counter
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  Speaker 1: Terrorism Center. And he's a war hero. He has six
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  Speaker 1: come six Bronze stars, so he's a war hero. He's
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  Speaker 1: a gold star husband. He lost his wife in the
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  Speaker 1: Long War. So the man who sacrificed for the country.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to make fun of him. But he
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  Speaker 1: quit with a really unusual letter blaming the war on Israel, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is just not right.
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  Speaker 1: And he got asked the president got asked about Joe
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  Speaker 1: Kent today cut number seven.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I read it say, but I always thought he
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  Speaker 4: was a nice guy. But I always thought he was
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  Speaker 4: weak on security, very weak on security.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know him well, but I thought it seemed
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  Speaker 3: like a pretty nice guy. But when I wrote a statement,
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  Speaker 3: I realized that it's a good thing that he's out
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  Speaker 3: because he said that Iran was not a threat. Iran
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  Speaker 3: was a threat. Every country realized what a threat Iran was.
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  Speaker 3: The question is whether or not they wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: something about it, and many people, many of the greatest
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  Speaker 3: military scholars, are saying for years that presidents should have
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  Speaker 3: taken out Iran because they wanted a nuclear weapon. They
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  Speaker 3: were if we didn't do the attack, or if I'll
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  Speaker 3: go a step further, if I didn't terminate the Iran
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  Speaker 3: nuclear deal given to us, one of the worst deals
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  Speaker 3: ever made by Barack Hussein and Oboba. Remember when they
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  Speaker 3: said Boeing seven fifty seven's over there, loaded with cash,
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars. He would have been very happy.
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  Speaker 3: This was a wonderful they said. Hundreds of people forget that.
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  Speaker 3: Does anybody remember, right? You remember hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 3: dollars in a Boeing.
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  Speaker 4: Seven fifty seven. I think that two of them loaded.
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  Speaker 3: They took the seats out and they put cash, and
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  Speaker 3: it was so much that there wasn't a bank in Virginia.
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  Speaker 4: Maryland or DC that had any money left.
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  Speaker 3: They stripped them of all their money, put it into place,
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  Speaker 3: sent it to Iran almost as ransom.
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  Speaker 5: That's not going to happen with Trump. And nobody ever.
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  Speaker 3: Did anything about it. Nobody ever said anything of it.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine if I did that. So they've been
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  Speaker 3: a threat for a long time, but they've really been
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  Speaker 3: a threat. If I didn't terminate Obama's horrible deal that
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  Speaker 3: he made, the Iran nuclear deal, you would have had
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  Speaker 3: a nuclear war four years ago. You would have had
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  Speaker 3: you would have had nuclear holocausts, and you would have
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  Speaker 3: had it again if we didn't bomb the site. So
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  Speaker 3: when somebody is working with us that says they didn't think.
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  Speaker 4: Iran was a threat, we don't.
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  Speaker 3: Want those people because and there are some people I
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  Speaker 3: guess I would say that, but they're not smart people
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  Speaker 3: or they're not savvy people.
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  Speaker 5: Iran was a tremendous threat and virtually every.
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  Speaker 3: NATO nation, And this is the thing, if they told
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  Speaker 3: me it wasn't a threat, and therefore they don't want
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  Speaker 3: to help. But when they say it was a threat
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  Speaker 3: and it was a major threat, every one of them,
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  Speaker 3: I think every one of them. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: one that said they're not a threat. But when they
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  Speaker 3: say it was a threat, but we're not going to help.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're very full of very very In fact,
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  Speaker 1: let's get one more clip from the President on NATO
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  Speaker 1: underscore that cut number eight that they.
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  Speaker 4: Over not supporting you on this apercussion.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, I just think that it's not good for
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  Speaker 3: a partnership when they say what you're doing is a
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  Speaker 3: great thing, but we're.
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  Speaker 4: Not going to help.
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  Speaker 3: As they say, what you did is a great thing,
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  Speaker 3: but we're not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I cannot.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been a big fan of NATO and believed
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  Speaker 1: in getting NATO to move up to five percent, and
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  Speaker 1: we needed NATO, and NATO got it through the Cold War,
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  Speaker 1: and Thatcher stood outside Reagan when we had to put
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  Speaker 1: alongside Reagan. We had to put the perishings and the
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  Speaker 1: cruise missiles into Europe in the face of the nuclear
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  Speaker 1: freeze movement, and eventually the wall came down in New
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  Speaker 1: Europe when we talked about New.
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  Speaker 2: York versus Old Europe, and New.
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  Speaker 1: Europe is really where it's at polland down and had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ships though, and Finland needs them, Sweden
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  Speaker 1: needs them because the Russians are right there. It ought
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  Speaker 1: to be great Britain and France setting at ships and
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  Speaker 1: they're not so makes you wonder, really, NATO not too
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  Speaker 1: sure about it.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned, America. I'm euculate. Welcome back, America. I'm here, Hewett.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Holmes joins us from the Ruthless Podcast on the
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  Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day. Not wearing green. That's dangerous to begin with,
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  Speaker 1: mister Holmes. I hope you were wearing green this morning
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  Speaker 1: when you take the Ruthless Podcast, were.
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  Speaker 6: You, Hewett?
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  Speaker 7: I neglected Micrane, I neglected Migraine. It was a huge oversight.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean, you know, there's a lot going on here.
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  Speaker 7: I just I completely forgot.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll give you a pass if you
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  Speaker 1: will tell me from the perspective of a Minnesota kid
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  Speaker 1: who probably grew up on skates, how great was the
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  Speaker 1: gold I mean, where did you? Where did you watch it?
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  Speaker 1: And with whom did you watch it? And how great
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  Speaker 1: was it?
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  Speaker 7: My eight and five year old boys who like hockey
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  Speaker 7: were Caps fans here in DC, but they didn't grow
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  Speaker 7: up in Minnesota like I did. When you're grow up
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  Speaker 7: in Minnesota, it.
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  Speaker 3: Is like.
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  Speaker 7: Herb Brooks is a deity and hockey is a church
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  Speaker 7: within Minnesota, and we've all sort of put the nineteen
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  Speaker 7: eighty Olympic team on a pedestal in which every other
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  Speaker 7: life of is measured, and that's the top rung. You
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  Speaker 7: could never get to it. And for the first time
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  Speaker 7: in forty years, six years, all of a sudden, I
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  Speaker 7: got to watch an eight and a five year old
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  Speaker 7: go absolutely bananas, not just for the gold medal game,
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  Speaker 7: but all of the games. I mean, they were going nuts.
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  Speaker 7: I loved every second. It was like reliving a youth
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  Speaker 7: and a culture that I grew up with. God, it
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  Speaker 7: was fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that is a wonderful story. And I'm glad that
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  Speaker 1: you got to watch it with your boys. I watched
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Brown's losses with my boys. It's not
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  Speaker 1: the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm very I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Very glad you got to go to the to the
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  Speaker 1: mountain top of your boys.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I've got a.
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  Speaker 1: Generational question for you, the leading intellect of your generation,
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  Speaker 1: Ben Rhodes, the better neck of ms Now, the man
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  Speaker 1: who invented the echo chamber, of which you were probably
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  Speaker 1: a part. Mister Rhodes posted eighteen hours ago after Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump said he could take Cuba anytime he wanted, Ben
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  Speaker 1: Rhoades posted, this is dangerous, im moral and illegal. The
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  Speaker 1: third government he tried to overthrow in the first three
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  Speaker 1: months of this year. We are in the worst case
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  Speaker 1: scenario of authoritarianism.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about that, Josh Holmes worst case?
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  Speaker 6: You know what? You are?
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  Speaker 7: You aware of what Ben Rhoades's nickname was in the
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  Speaker 7: Obama White House?
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  Speaker 2: Was it Hamas?
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  Speaker 7: It was Hamas, it was Jamas. Do you know how
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  Speaker 7: dedicated to the cause you would need to be in
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  Speaker 7: obama White House to earn the nickname Hummas?
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  Speaker 4: I dedicated?
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  Speaker 1: You would be part of the official delegation to Fidel
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  Speaker 1: Castro's funeral, which Ben Roads was. So he was, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he was. And he's written two absolutely on read books.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what their book scan numbers were, but
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  Speaker 1: they are going to be They're not going to be
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  Speaker 1: in triple digits. You're going to be in double digits.
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  Speaker 1: His family can't be that big and he's never not.
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  Speaker 1: And I just wonder how did we lose to Obama?
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  Speaker 1: How did we lose to him in twenty twelve, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eight, the circumstances beyond anyone's control, the economic panic,
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  Speaker 1: But how.
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  Speaker 6: Did we lose?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, look, I think Look, I think Barack Obama
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  Speaker 7: was an extraordinary campaigner. I think we never got to
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  Speaker 7: the point where we actually discussed policy. I think we
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  Speaker 7: were as a nation. I'm talking about you or me,
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  Speaker 7: or anybody who's followed these things closely, but I think
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  Speaker 7: as a nation, everybody was sort of captivated by the
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  Speaker 7: idea of Barack Obama, which you know, super superseded in
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  Speaker 7: a lot of ways all of the specifics that this
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  Speaker 7: that administration was up to. And Ben Rod is a
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  Speaker 7: perfect example, And this is a guy in an administration
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  Speaker 7: that pursued policies that were, you know, the reason basically
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  Speaker 7: that we are doing what we're doing in Iran right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they.
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  Speaker 7: Perpetuated the growth and capabilities of America's greatest enemies. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 7: you have to be so ahistorical and just not understand
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  Speaker 7: the basics of how the Middle East has gotten to
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  Speaker 7: be where it is. Has Belah, you know, Hummas, you're
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  Speaker 7: talking about all of the terrorist activities when we were
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  Speaker 7: in a rock. The number one lead sponsor of terrorism
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  Speaker 7: wasn't a rock itself, it was Iran. We've dealt with
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  Speaker 7: Iran since nineteen seventy nine and it has been no
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  Speaker 7: secret to anybody who's been even a newspaper level of
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  Speaker 7: understanding about what it is that they're up to and
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  Speaker 7: what they intend to do to the United States and
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  Speaker 7: the Western world.
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  Speaker 8: This is not a choice at some level.
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  Speaker 7: It's just a choice of whether or not you pass
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  Speaker 7: the problem on to the next president or not. And
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  Speaker 7: these guys all pretend is though you know, they were
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  Speaker 7: just mineing their business over there, the IATLA and everybody else.
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  Speaker 7: What's a roadside bomb between friends.
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  Speaker 1: I am looking forward to Ruthless Goes to War. I
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  Speaker 1: have saved your podcast from today for tomorrow's trundle because
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  Speaker 1: it's Ruthless Goes to War. I want to hear how
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  Speaker 1: Ruthless goes to war. But I want to know about
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  Speaker 1: a political question, and I hope you talk about it
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  Speaker 1: with the fellas the Republicans running for Senate, especially whether
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  Speaker 1: it's John Houston Ohio or Susan Collins in Maine, or
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  Speaker 1: you look all over, even Mike Wattley in North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: or Mike Rogers in Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: Whi's an open seat. Should they put their.
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  Speaker 1: Arms around this war and say we are freeing people,
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  Speaker 1: and we did it in Venezuela, and we did it
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  Speaker 1: in Cuba and we're doing in Iran. We are a
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  Speaker 1: freedom party. We support this. Or should they hang back?
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  Speaker 7: Josh Holmes, The moment that you stop having an intellectually
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  Speaker 7: honest conversation with the American people is the moment that
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  Speaker 7: you seized to be a serious political party.
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  Speaker 8: So I do think that they should.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to mislead your listeners. We talk a
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  Speaker 7: lot about the Gayatola, which is the lead of Ruthless today,
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  Speaker 7: so they're gonna have a little bit more fun nuts
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  Speaker 7: and bolts. But but but just to your point, very
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  Speaker 7: very quickly, Look, Republicans have to get on the same page,
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  Speaker 7: not just ideologically in terms of what the President is
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  Speaker 7: doing with Iran, but the fact of the matter is
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  Speaker 7: the Democratic Party, for the first time in my memory,
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  Speaker 7: has been willing to sacrifice the health and well being
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  Speaker 7: of every single American for an ideological opposition to Donald
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  Speaker 7: Trump at all costs. The Department of Homeland Security not
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  Speaker 7: being funded is the only thing that anyone should be
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  Speaker 7: talking about. You're going to war with the most notorious
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  Speaker 7: state sponsor of terrorism and proxy wars in the entire world,
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  Speaker 7: and yet you are perfectly comfortable making sure that the
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  Speaker 7: United States of America doesn't have a Department of Homeland Security.
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  Speaker 5: It's insane.
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: They've got to talk about this kind of thing, which
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: is the tie that binds the insanity of the Democratic
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  Speaker 7: Party in this particular time.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that's the winner, because they have lost
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  Speaker 1: their marbles. And you've been around a long time, not
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: long as me, but in your long time. Have they
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: ever been this nutty before?
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  Speaker 5: Is not even conceivable.
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  Speaker 7: Q Twenty years ago, it would have been inconceivable that
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  Speaker 7: any Democratic leader would have ever led their conference into
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: a situation where they're willing to risk the terrorist attacks
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: in America, the health and well being of their citizens
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: for a partisan opposition in Washington, d C. It would
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: have been political suicide. Now it is their lifeblood, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: you can see it, mo'm donnie. You can see it
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: in the rise of the progressive left. This is the
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: reason that Chuck Schumer's way of being is in the
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: United States Senate and Republicans got to focus on it before.
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  Speaker 8: And it's not just politics that they have to focus on.
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  Speaker 8: You have to.
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  Speaker 7: Focus on it because we really do need to protect
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  Speaker 7: the American people.
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  Speaker 2: Amen to that.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Holmes. Happy Saint Patrick's Day, and we will be listening.
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  Speaker 1: Your Ruthless goes to Warren the Gayetola.
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  Speaker 2: That's very funny. By the way, Tomorrow and Wednesday.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And on Friday three times a week. Maybe wartime Ruthless
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: needs to go to four times a week. Just Sam
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: might need extra You might need extra episodes of Ruthless.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Josh Holmes. Follow him at Josh Holmes followed
• 19:15
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• 19:19
  Speaker 1: next second on if you Jewish, Welcome back in America.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt.
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  Speaker 2: David M.
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  Speaker 1: Drucker, senior political correspondent for The Dispatch. You should be
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: reading the Dispatch every day, David. It is month fifteen
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's second term, and it is day seventeen
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: of the war with Iran. He has decapitated and changed
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the leadership in Venezuela. Cuba is cheating on the brink
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of being free for the first time in iro seventy years.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think Republicans are going to run on
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to foreign policy in the fall.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that's a really good question.
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  Speaker 9: You know, they keep trying to take the president's lead
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: and his explanation or plans can change from day to day,
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: and the truth is he doesn't really consult Congress all
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: that much, and so I tend to think they're going
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: to be focused on domestic issues. But you know, as
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: a matter of foreign policy, I think Venezuela will rank
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: high up there just because of the level of execution,
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: and at least for now, that looks to be a
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: successful or at least a manageable aftermath. I think Iran,
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: it's too early to tell clearly they are for it,
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: But if you're going to campaign on something, it all
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: has to be the aftermath has to be going well
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: months down the road. And if the month, if the
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: aftermath is going well months down the road, I am
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: sure they're going to campaign on it. But it also
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: depends on where they're campaigning, because the war still remains
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: broadly unpopular. If you're not a Republican voter, and if
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: you're in a swing district or swing state, or even
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: the state that leans a little bit to the left,
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: it's not going to be useful for you to campaign
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: on something that a majority of your voters or either
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: skept Glover opposed to.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Now David Drucker thirteen Americans have paid the ultimate price
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in this war in seventeen days. So they're thirteen grieving families,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: thirteen gold star families out there. There were also thirteen
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: families at Abbey Gate. And it seemed to me that
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: one of the worst mistakes of the Biden administration was
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: never to admit that those men and women died, or
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to grieve for them properly, or to appropriately recognize their families.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Do you think the Trump administration is avoiding disrespect to
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  Speaker 1: the debt and making sure that every member of the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: administration is always aware that the cost is already extraordinary
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: for America.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I haven't followed closely every high level administration official.
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: I mean, certainly Secretary Hegseth. I think has reacted properly.
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: The President got a lot of criticism in some quarters
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: from airing a baseball cap to Dover when he was
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: there as he should have been, and is a good
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: idea to receive the caskets of these dead American heroes.
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: And so in some cases, given our polarized political climate,
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: whether or not the administration is doing this is going
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: to be in the eye of the beholder. Depending on
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: your point of view and what you think of Trump
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: and the administration. Having said that, I haven't seen any
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: major faux pause beyond you know, possibly the baseball cap, again,
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: depending on how you look at it now.
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  Speaker 1: I also think a lot depends on our avoiding a
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: catastrophic loss of life, meaning a lucky shot from the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: remaining missiles. And the Marines. I don't know whether they're
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: going to carg Island, if they're going to the coast
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of the Strait, or if they're going to go to Yemen. Goodness,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: those the hotis we haven't heard much from the Hooties yet,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and they could start screwing around with the Red Sea.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: The Marines are coming to do something, maybe just intimidate.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: How do you think the war has been conducted in
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the eyes not of a partisan Trump hater, but of
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: an objected independent What do you think they're thinking right now?
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't know if there's a thing is as
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: an objective independent. I think that I think that there
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: is a really good case to make that this has
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: been an extraordinarily successful military operation thus far. I think
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  Speaker 9: one of the reasons why some people or many you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: sort of rank and file voters may have a hard
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: time deciding whether this is a successful operation is because
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: the explanation for why we're there seems to shift from.
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  Speaker 6: Day to day.
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  Speaker 9: And you know, look, just as a political matter, I
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: think the President could have done a better job preparing
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: Americans for the possibility of war with Iran. And I
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: think it would do him a world of good politically
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: if he was just able to say, once in a while, listen,
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: weren't war. It's difficult, there may be some dark days,
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: but here are objectives, and here's why this is all
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: worth it his pension for just saying, hey, listen, man,
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: there's not much to worry about. This is easy, everything's fine.
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: I don't know if it's the real estate mogul in
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: him or what, but I just think I think Americans
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: understand that war is difficult and may not be great
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: every single day, and that they're inherent risks. And as
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: I told you, Hugh, there's a great case to make
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: that the risk of continuing with diplomacy after almost fifty
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: years was more risky than going to war at this point,
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: given everything we've experienced over the past couple of years
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: and what we know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: I just think the president likes.
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: To make everything sound like Venezuela, and this is not
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: like Venezuela. And so I think, you know, depending on
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: how he talks about this will determine how you know
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: that objective voter out there looks at it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Last night he said I could take Cuba whenever I want.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And by that I said on Special Report, I hope
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: he takes them to freedom. But Ben Rhoads of all
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: people nicknamed Hamas and Obama Whitehouse, Ben Rhodes went on
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: X to say, Venezuela, Iran, kibba, this is what an
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: authoritarian does in just this year. Authoritarians also do not
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: tend to abide by of the Supreme Court. That they
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: hate the decision and they're very angry about, but they
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: abide by the decision because they are a president in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a constitutional structure.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: So I think Ben Roads is nuts.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But I think a lot of the Democratic Party has
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: gone nuts on this. David, How can they not stand
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: with the people of Iran right now?
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: Well, listen, I mean I think it depends how you
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: look at it. If you talk to a lot of Democrats,
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: they will tell you that they think Iran is a
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: horrible regime and that they wouldn't, you know, shed any
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: tears of the regime was no more.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But they take issue with.
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: The President declining to go to Congress for an authorization vote,
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: and they think the administration has been too opaque in
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: explaining its objectives and why now. And you know, I
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: think there's a lot more nuanced democratic thought than coming
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: out of Ben Rhodse, who is reflexibly against these sorts
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: of things no matter who does it, and when they
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: do it, they.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Look a lot like always against Trump all the time,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: no matter what the issue or the outcome.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's not a good look. Will they open it? We
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: got forty five seconds.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Will they open DHS before we have a major terrorist
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: incident here?
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: David, I couldn't tell you.
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  Speaker 9: It'll be interesting to see if there's more urgency on
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: this front.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Should they feel more urgency?
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think they should.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, David M. Drucker on X. Thank
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you great live shot outside. I don't know it looks
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: cold wherever you are, but thank you for joining us
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: from outside, mister Drucker. It's it got very cold very
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: quickly back in the Beltway. I came back on Saturday.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: It was a breezy sixty and then last night some
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: front blew in and almost blew over all the houses,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: lots of trees, and.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: It just got as cold as can be. I got
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: my father in a mountain.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I did not gonna lie. I got it done. Don't
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: go anywhere, America. I'm Hugh Hewett more coming up America
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  Speaker 1: to the Uhwit Show. On Saint Patrick's Day. Byron York
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: joins me. Byron's probably English for the last name York,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: so we'll overlook that. Byron Welcome, Senior writer for the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Washington Examiner, Fox News contributor extraordinaire. But I have a
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: column in the Examiner tomorrow morning arguing that the anti
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: military bias, which has existed in the Washington d c.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Press corps for decades, is really coming out big time
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in the first seventeen days of the conflict with Iran.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Do you see it or am I imagining it?
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  Speaker 10: You know?
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: I have interpreted all of this, and I'm sure we
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: would agree on all of this press coverage, but I
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: have interpreted it all as anti Trump. That there is
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: an anti Trump reflex that is so powerful it is
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: just going off and going off and going off. So
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: that Jake Tapper can say all the reporters, all the
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: reporters want the United States to succeed, and I believe that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: But I think if you sort of put them under
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: truth sermon, do they want Donald Trump to succeed? And
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: I think it would be a very very different answer.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Twenty years ago, Terry Moran, he was with ABC then,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: he's gone now, but he was with ABC then, was
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: my guest, and we're talking about this.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: This is a quote. There is, Hugh.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, a deep anti military bias in
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the media, one that begins from the premise that the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: military must be lying and that the American projection of
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: power around the world must be wrong. That's more than
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: a decade before Donald Trump came down the escalator. I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: think it's deeply embedded in the media.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it is.
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: And look, the military deserves scrutiny just like any other
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: part of government. The amounts of money that the taxpayer
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: money that's given to them is just unbelievable. So they
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: deserve all the you know, lots and lots of scrutiny,
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: especially over spending. But right now they're inaction, they're in
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: harm's way, and much as they did in Venezuela, they're
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: performing with incredible skill in preparation, and so you it
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: does seem that a number of people in the press,
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: and it's pretty far spread across the press, has kind
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: of a rooting interest in pointing out the likelihood of failure.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Of this.
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: Actor or that act.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But actually people saying, oh, dear goodness, we killed Lara
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Jani and he was the moderate, he's the head of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the secret police.
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: Well look, you you could certainly have a political argument
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: about what's the right thing to do in this case.
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: I wish we had had a broader political argument before
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: the invasion of Iraq. I wish there had been more conservatives,
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: more Republicans who were skeptical, as people like George will were,
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: of invading Iraq. So that's okay, that just doesn't bother
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: me much at this point.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Well, let me switch subjects on you, because the talking
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: philibust jer is underway. We've carried Marshall Blackburn, We've carried
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. I'm not going to carry more of it
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: because it's going to be there tomorrow and next day
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and the next day.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: How does this end, Byron.
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: Well, I don't know. But if it ends in, if
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: it ends in voter ID. I think we all owe
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: the people who came up with this tactic and carried
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: it out.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: Thanks.
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: I mean, because you have a situation in which you've
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: discussed it many times. Peugh says eighty three percent of
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: those polled favor photo voter ID to vote. That includes
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: seventy percent of Democrats, it includes people of all races.
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: It's just all across the line. Americans support voter ID.
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: You have one party that, for whatever it's reasons, is
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: wants to just throw its body across, you know, across
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: the rails to stop this, and if Republicans can come
• 30:52
  Speaker 11: up with a way to make it pass, I think
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: we should thank that people who did it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Now, I am in agreement with that up to a point,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: which is Mike Lee has said online and I believe
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: senatively that the nuclear option will not be used at
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: any step in this process. Nuclear option is a disaster
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: for the Senate. Do you agree with me about that?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: That the nuclear option? Okay, so do you understand it
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: as I understand it that the talking filibuster has.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Nothing to do.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: They will never resort to the nuclear option to get
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: this thing, because what's going to eventually happen, they're gonna
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: get tired.
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: Well yeah, I mean, look that's what they say. So
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: but the I agree with you about the nuclear option,
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: and I think terrible things have been done basically killing
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: off other parts of the silibuster have been done with
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: the nuclear option. So I don't want to see it again.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, So this thing will go on and at the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: end of it when there isn't a quorum, because that's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: what will happen is the Democrats will call for a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: quorum and the Republicans will be asleep and they won't
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: be able to get there whatever happens, because you can't leave.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Does anyone get blamed? Does John Thune? This is sort
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of theater that the leader has to do because his
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: party wants to do it until he's doing it. How
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: long do they have to do it for for the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: base to be satisfied.
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: I think they have to do it for a long time.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: I have to do it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 11: They have to do it as if they believe. If
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: they believe it, what.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Is that though, I mean, we're running a war here
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Byron this is and the DHS. You know, we can't
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: vote on the DHS appropriation.
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: I mean, well, you know listen. That's another thing. I've
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: just been writing this afternoon about this absolutely insane partial
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: government shutdown, which is just just an outrage, just a
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: complete outrage given what's going on in the world right now.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: So if the Democrats came over and said, we'll vote
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: to reopen DHS, if you stopped the talking philiboust, would
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you take that deal?
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: Boy? That's a that's an interesting idea. It's a it's
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: a very short term concession that they're probably going to
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: have to make anyway, you know, and you give up
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: the chants for actual voter id which would be a
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: major reform across the country. I don't know.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And then finally, where do you think the Marines are going?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I opened up on Fox Newsday with them at John Roberts.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They could be going to Yemen. They might just be
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: floating off the coat. Marines can do a lot of things.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: People should reacall signed chaos. Jim Madison's memoir General madis
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: they can do a lot of different things. What do
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: you think they're going to do?
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean,
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: this has been first of all, the the US military
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: enforces have kept the element of surprise for me a
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: number of times. So when you you hew had asked me,
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: by York, what are the Marines going to do? My
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: correct answer is I don't.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: That is would that more people have the willingness to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: step forward and say I haven't.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I'm a civilian.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not in a chain of command, and I'm not
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: adjacent to the chain of command the Gang of Eight or.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Mark Rubio or the Vice Press. I have no idea
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that would actually be that would be the.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Best thing for analysts to do, not a surprise that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Byron York said.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So Byron New York, thank you. Don't go anywhere America.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I'll be right back on the Hewits.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I love my glasses.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I got a crazy teacher. You wear stark glasses.
• 34:19
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• 34:21
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• 34:31
  Speaker 1: We've got to cover five things in eight minutes. The War, Cuba,
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  Speaker 1: the world after the war, During the war, the pace
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of events and the press.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to press you to the wall.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: First of all, your assessment of the war as it
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: stands seventeen days in.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: I'm a called we haven't won.
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: I think it's time to just absolutely tuck our tail
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: and realize that we are equal to the task and
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: go home.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: As far as I can tell, is stocked.
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: Is well stocked, you might say, overstocked with opportunities, with
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: people that shouldn't be in government, with places that are
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: full of nasty things, and we seem to know where
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: they are and seem to be able to find them
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: with the surprising regularity reading today about it is really strike.
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: Where they were two guys that they wanted to get.
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: They waited until they were the bunker. Then they bombed
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: the entrance and bombed the secret exit, and then bunker
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: busted the place itself. You know, we keep doing this
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: and they keep saying we will fight, fight, fight, But
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: every once in a while you'll get something through from
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: somebody in Tehran who says that you know, it's just waiting.
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: That the guys who used to stand on the street
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: corner and pull us out of our cars and beat
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: us are now afraid because they figured that there's drone
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: with their names circling overhead. And after seventeen days, I
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: think the assessment is is that the damage has been tremendous.
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: The Iranians have been set back lord knows how long,
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: and I think it's going.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: Good from here. But then I agree, I know, I
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: just I just continue as much.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: As anyone else is. I'm inting on it. Number two, Cuba.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Hey, will you vacation in Cuba
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of the day it's free?
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: I will, No, I think I'll wait a little bit
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: before the building Code inspectors get in there and shore
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: up some of his b andbs, because we're talking, we're
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: talking in urban infrastructure that, while poetic and romantic and
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: ruined in many.
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: Ways, still does go back a long way. And let's
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: just say Cuba hasn't invested a great deal in maintenance.
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: No, I would love to go back to see it
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: restored to what it was before, you know, in the
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: Batista days.
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: And if they're smart, they'll keep the old cars, they'll
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: fix them up to polish.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Them, they'll give they'll you know, drop a new trainee.
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: In them there and we will have sort of this
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: Ricky Ricardo Lucille ball era of nineteen fifties Cuba, where
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: people can go back and gamble and have great times
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: of the beaches.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I would just gave me a great idea.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: They ought to have a karshow there and invite all
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of the American car they're crazy, car collectors are crazy
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to be in with. But then invite John Campbell and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: all of his buddies to go down there and just
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: bit on every old clunker that's driving around because they
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: haven't had a new car there in decades.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: It'll be fascinating and I can't wait.
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: I was reading today that they're actually starting to burn
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: Communist Party headquarters because they've been out of power forever
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: and water forever and internet forever.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: So that finally the I mean, when.
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: You have the government saying, yeah, we're going to talk
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: to the we're going to talk to the Yanks.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: We're going to see what we can do there.
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: This is unprecedented, and it's it's only a matter of
• 37:24
  Speaker 10: weeks I think before something happens. And Trump is saying that,
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: you know, he can have it if he wants it, frankly,
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: you know, and he may indeed be right.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: What amuses me is that I'm fining. Now what amuses me?
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Ben Rhoades. The other day, I think on Twitter, Ben Rose,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: the old.
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: Of Obama guy, was saying that first of Venezuela and
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: now Iron and then and then then Cuba, changes of
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: government three times in three months.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: We are seeing.
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: I think you put a levels of authoritarianism that we
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: hadn't visited before. But it is authoritarian, mind you to dismantle, disabled, destroy,
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: get rid of oppressive governments that had been there are
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: people under the boot for some cases years, in another
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: cases decades.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: But that is a definition of authoritarianism. By that definition, FDR.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: You know, FDR only wanted to get rid.
• 38:09
  Speaker 10: Of two governments in Germany and Italy, so he wasn't
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: as bad as he was still bad.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I like about the authoritarian thing, James.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: The thing that makes Trump the most angry in the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: last year and a half, for fifteen months since he's
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: been there, is that the Supreme Court overturned his chariffs
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: and he complied with the ruling, which isn't really how authoritarian.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: They normally just arrest the judges, right, He's not an authoritarian.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Stupid Ben Rose went to Fidel Castro's funeral for goodness sake.
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: Really literally, an authoritarian would have said, the Marshal of
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: the Supreme Court is one of our accommentators called it
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: to arrest everybody or tried to pack the court or
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: something like that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: But he complied. We didn't hear him say how many
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: are you know? How many divisions of the Supreme Court have?
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: He went along with it. So yeah, bad, authoritarian.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Bad bad.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Now i't to talk to you about the world. In
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the pace of the world.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: In fifteen months, we've had Venezuela, Iran, the war, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: now the Cuban revolution within a revolution.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Can we keep up.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: At this page for another two years and eleven months?
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not up to us, is it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: I mean, you have moment, you have pivotal times, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: when history seems to change in turn. I mean, there's
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: the old line about Lanta. There is decades when nothing happens,
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: and there are weeks when decades.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: Happened, and this seems to be one of those.
• 39:24
  Speaker 10: I remember back in college when a friend of mine
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: was just enthused by what was happening in Nicaragua and
• 39:29
  Speaker 10: Cube and and Iran because the people were finally overthrowing
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: bad governments and having it And of course Nicaragua disaster,
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: Iran a disaster, but it was a mood of the time.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: There was sort of this odd that people are rising
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: up and things are.
• 39:40
  Speaker 10: Changing, and periodically it swoops to various parts of the
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: world called our revolutions. Here you know, the Berlin Wall
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: falls there. But sometimes you feel as if there's a
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: geist to foot. There's a zeitgeist a foot in the land,
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: filling the sales in a way that we haven't seen before.
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: And when you have governments that nobody ever thought were
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: going to be changed. Nobody thought Cube was going to change,
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: Nobody thought Venezuela or Rand When all of a sudden
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: it seems that they're much more frangible than we thought.
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: Then who knows what it emboldens Elsewhere? The spirit does
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: not seem to be going against freedom and government that
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: is good to its people, and the reason for that
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: is muscular action by the United States to show how
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: it can be done, which also illustrates the paucity really
• 40:18
  Speaker 10: of effort that the end our adversaries, the Chinese and
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: the Russians can muster.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: So between Ukrain hanging on for four years and the
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: rest of.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: The think the Scandinavians can summon up the will to
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: revolt against the EU get out.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: No, no, I don't believe so. No.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: No.
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: I think frankly that they're too concerned about being very,
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: very nice and calm and having dry handshakes and nodding
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: in nice white rooms to ever do anything about the.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: The last question the American media is not if it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: not defeats, it's least intent on demoralizing the people. It's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: not working. It's not working at all because they're alternatives.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: But what's wrong with those people?
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: Well, again, you know, if you ain't Trump so much
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: that you have to pose anything that he does, and
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: you cannot possibly regard anything that he does in a
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: positive light, then you have to grudgingly say, well, I'm
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: not on the site of the Mullas, but this is
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: there's the wrong way to go about it. We were
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: so close to a deal. We could have talked jaw
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: jaw better than a war, war, et cetera. The contrarians
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: who don't want, essentially, you know, Trump to be able
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: to claim that's part of it. The other part of
• 41:23
  Speaker 10: it is is this instinctive war bad So we can't
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: do anything.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: We shouldn't do anything, we mustn't do anything.
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: And even then it's sort of bothered by the fact
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: that this isn't like an old style you.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Know, Dresden City's burning.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: This is pretty pretty, pretty pretty.
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: Targeted, and you know, you think that they'd have less
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: reservations about it, But the people who go into journalism
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: are generally the sort who just believe that muscular, rot robust,
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: kinetic action on behalf of national interest is something that
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: you have to pull long faces about. I remember, we
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: remember you remember back in the days when we first
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: started talking that there was a song that we played
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: arms for the Love of America.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, great big patriotics, So for the love of America,
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: because that's what the popular culture was then.
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: I mean, part of it, of course, was you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: guys in governments saying let's all get behind this, right,
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: But there was the spirits after, especially after we were attacked,
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: that America was good and America should prevail.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: And those things.
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: America is good and America should prevail are sentiments that
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: some people are just very queasy about because they're sort
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: of allready living in the twenty fourth century where the
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: Federation and has got rid of individual governments, and we're
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: all living on replicator food and saying you know whatever.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Now next rake, like you know next week, we're bringing
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: back arms for the love of America if we can remember.
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Hugo and Chef Welcome Back America. Felony Review Tales of
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: True Crime and Corruption in Chicago's a brand new book.
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  Speaker 2: That is out.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Felony Review is unfortunately in Studio West and I'm in
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Studio East, But luckily the author, Randy Barnett, the Carmack
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University, was that very
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: very good interview and a very very good guest. He've
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: been my guest many times on this program, and he
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: looks like the dread pirate Randy. Right now, Randy, You're okay,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it's not permanent.
• 43:31
  Speaker 13: We'll hope not chance. The odds are great that it's
• 43:34
  Speaker 13: not permanent. But I'm gonna enjoy the look while it lasts.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I got to begin by saying, when Felony Review arrived
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: on the West Coast, I forgot to bring it. I said,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: how and when was Randy Barnett a prosecutor?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: And so I looked it up.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: You were a Cook County Prosecutor's office, And how and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: when did you write this book? Because you just wrote
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: your autobiography and before that you wrote like ten case
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: books and treatises on all sorts of When did you
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: write Felony Review? And when were you in the Cook
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office.
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: Well, I was in the office from seventy seven to
• 44:10
  Speaker 13: eighty one, and I wrote the book as a spin
• 44:14
  Speaker 13: off of my memoir. I had a section in the
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: memoir about being a prosecutor. But the book, my memoir
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: got very long, as you know, Hugh, and I decided
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: to take those chapters off because it was a bit
• 44:24
  Speaker 13: of a diversion from my course of my career that
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: led me to be a constitutional law professor and a
• 44:31
  Speaker 13: constitutional litigator. And then what I was able to do
• 44:35
  Speaker 13: is blow them up into a separate book. And I
• 44:38
  Speaker 13: wrote that book over the last year and a half,
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: in which I was actually able to do some more
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: background on the cases I worked. I was able to
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: do background on the people I worked with and include
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: more cases than I could have squeezed into the previous memoir.
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: And it stood alone as a book.
• 44:53
  Speaker 13: That's probably the most entertaining read of any of the
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: books that I've written, because it is a a story
• 45:01
  Speaker 13: of true crime and corruption in Cook County, which was
• 45:05
  Speaker 13: at its peak of corruption at the time I was there.
• 45:08
  Speaker 13: And it evolves a series of short vignettes so that
• 45:11
  Speaker 13: you can read it a little piece at a time, but.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: It goes, it goes quite quickly. Yeah, Branny, I'm excited.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Every year I use your casebook in Josh Blackman's casebook
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: when I teach. Now, I'm taking the semester off this
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: spring because of obligations to Fox and other folks, so
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not teaching the semester, so I'll be using Barnett
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and Blackman, and every year in the first class con
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Law won I teach them, don't be a prosecutor. You
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: don't want to be a prosecutor. Every prosecutor I know
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: gets burned out and ends up either being a judge
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: or retiring after twenty Don't be a prosecutor. You want
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a better kind of client. Don't be a prosecutor. The
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: hours are long, it pays horrible. People yell at you,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Jery's are crazy, don't be a prosecutor. Now I have
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to tell them that the man whose book I relied
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: on for the last twenty years was a prosecutor. So
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: why did you make that choice? And how am I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: going to get out of this pickle?
• 46:06
  Speaker 13: Well, your advice is right and it's wrong. In a minute,
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: I'll tell you why it's right and why it's wrong.
• 46:14
  Speaker 13: But anyway, I became a prosecutor because that's how I
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: became a lawyer. A television show came on TV called
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: The Defenders in the sixties, starting E. G. Marshall and
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: as the father and Robert Reed as the son and
• 46:25
  Speaker 13: a father's son criminal defense firm, filmed on location in
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: New York in black and white, very gritty, and it
• 46:33
  Speaker 13: wasn't like Perry Mason, which was about solving murders. It
• 46:37
  Speaker 13: was about the practice of law, and it captured my
• 46:39
  Speaker 13: imagination at the age of ten. It's what made me
• 46:42
  Speaker 13: want to be a lawyer. And even when I went
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: to Northwestern then Harvard Law School, and all my classmates
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: were saying, well, aren't I worried about wasting my degree
• 46:51
  Speaker 13: by being a county prosecutor. And my answer was, I
• 46:54
  Speaker 13: went to law school to do what I wanted to do,
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: not to do what I don't want to do. I
• 46:58
  Speaker 13: don't want to work for a law firm. And let
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: me just say this, it was better than TV. I
• 47:03
  Speaker 13: was so worried that when I finally got into the
• 47:05
  Speaker 13: practice of criminal law, I'd be disappointed because it wouldn't
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: live up to TV.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: And it's really better than TV.
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: Until the Wire came on HBO, They've just been unable
• 47:14
  Speaker 13: to show you how gritty and interesting and dirty and
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: down to earth the criminal justice system is. And that's
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: what felon a review tries to show.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: So why am I right? And why am I wrong?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: In my advice to the con law students.
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: Okay, I'll say you why you're wrong.
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: You're wrong because in fact, it's a fantastic job. And
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: if there's something you dream about doing, do not give
• 47:36
  Speaker 13: up on your dream.
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: It was, you know, it was.
• 47:39
  Speaker 13: I had the time of my life and it's one
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: of them, and I wrote a book because it's the
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: most memorable time in my life. You're right, insofar as
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: you need an exit strategy. When you go in, you
• 47:49
  Speaker 13: need to go in with an idea of what you
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: want to do when you go out. Now, you could
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: be a career prosecutor. That's possible. People do it, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: if that's what you end up doing, that's great. But
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: most people who go in, they come out and they
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: have to do something else. Now, I had no problem
• 48:03
  Speaker 13: because I knew what I wanted to be. I wanted
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: to be a law professor. The problem I had was
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: getting the job. But I knew what I wanted to be.
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: My son, who followed in my footsteps and became a
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: prosecutor in King's County, which is Brooklyn, New York, he
• 48:16
  Speaker 13: had a problem because he did not want to be
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  Speaker 13: a judge and he did not want to be a
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  Speaker 13: personal injury attorney. Did not want to do that stuff,
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  Speaker 13: and so he did have a transition problem. Ultimately, he
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: has done great things, but it's something you need to
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  Speaker 1: Brandy Barnett's one of the country leading con law authorities.
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  Speaker 1: His casebook is the one I recommend everyone use constitutional
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  Speaker 1: law cases in context. He writes it with Josh Blackman.
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  Speaker 1: He has a brand new book out, Felony Review, Tales
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  Speaker 1: of True Crime and Corruption Chicago. You know, Randy Jack
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  Speaker 1: Goldsmith wrote a book. You know, He's written lots of books,
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  Speaker 1: but his best book, in my opinion, was his memoir
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  Speaker 1: of growing up the step son of the accused murderer
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  Speaker 1: of who's buried in Giant Stadium. You know, the labor
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  Speaker 1: leader Hackeman. Yeah, Hafa, and so Goldsmith is the step
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  Speaker 1: son of the guy who was for a long time
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  Speaker 1: considered the button man on Haffun proved that he wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Felony Review is going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be the most riveting of your books because it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be about real people and murderers and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, the book starts off with me in
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  Speaker 13: a police interview room at three am taking a court
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  Speaker 13: reported statement by one of four of the Latin kings
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  Speaker 13: who had slaughtered by stabbing to death three guys who
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  Speaker 13: came into Chicago to buy some marijuana and how that happened.
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  Speaker 8: And I spent ten or twelve hours.
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  Speaker 13: With this one of them getting is the first confession,
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  Speaker 13: and again getting a court reporter confession, and finally at
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  Speaker 13: the end of that confession, asking him if he had
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  Speaker 13: it to do all over again, would he do it again?
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  Speaker 13: And his answer was, well, if it was a sure thing.
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  Speaker 13: And I said, but there's no such thing as a
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  Speaker 13: sure thing. And he said, well, a lot of Latin
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  Speaker 13: kings have killed people without getting caught.
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  Speaker 8: And I said, I know, but you got caught. Would
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  Speaker 8: you do it again? And he said, I'd have killed
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  Speaker 8: the first guy for sure. I'm not sure about the
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  Speaker 8: other two. That's the kind of book. This is their
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  Speaker 8: story of have you taught criminal pro?
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  Speaker 2: Have you taught crim pro?
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  Speaker 13: I have not taught criminal procedure. Taught substance of criminal law,
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  Speaker 13: but not criminal procedure.
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  Speaker 1: Why I love crimpro From Jerry Israel. We're about to
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  Speaker 1: tay mate Cherry Israel caught at Michigan and I just
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  Speaker 1: loved it. But I've only been in one criminal trial
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  Speaker 1: in my life as a defendant lawyer, and I had
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  Speaker 1: to ask the prosecute for help because it was the
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  Speaker 1: son of a friend of mine who was in trouble,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know what I didn't know where to stand,
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  Speaker 1: I know what to do?
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  Speaker 8: How was yourself like?
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  Speaker 13: It sounds like my sounds like the plot. It sounds
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  Speaker 13: like the plot of my cousin Vinnie.
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  Speaker 2: Very much was.
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  Speaker 1: But I threw myself on the mercy of the court
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  Speaker 1: and we got the kid into diversion. But how in
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  Speaker 1: the world did you end up with a capital case
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  Speaker 1: on your first day?
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  Speaker 8: Oh?
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  Speaker 13: Well, that it was a because I was in felony review.
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  Speaker 13: Let me tell everybody what felony review is, because it
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  Speaker 13: doesn't exist everywhere, and that is there's a deal between
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  Speaker 13: the Chicago Police Department and the Cook County State's Attorney's Office,
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  Speaker 13: two different governmental agencies, and that the Chicago Police Department
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  Speaker 13: cannot file capital, cannot file crypt felony charges against the
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  Speaker 13: suspect unless a prosecutor signs off on it, which means
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  Speaker 13: that it had to be created a unit of full
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  Speaker 13: time prosecutors called felony Review, in which you have your
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  Speaker 13: offices in the police station, you have your own squad car,
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  Speaker 13: you work twelve hour shifts day shift or night shift,
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  Speaker 13: and you respond to the police area headquarters or just
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  Speaker 13: where the cases being considered, and you interview the witnesses,
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  Speaker 13: and you interview the cops and you try to get.
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  Speaker 8: Confessions from the defendants if you can.
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  Speaker 13: And that was one of the cases I worked at
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  Speaker 13: Area six on the North Side, in which I took
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  Speaker 13: the confessions from two of the four of the two
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  Speaker 13: of the four gang members who committed this crime, and
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  Speaker 13: it ended they both ended up on Jeff Rowe until
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  Speaker 13: Governor Ryan commuted their sentence to life imprisonment.
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  Speaker 1: When Randy Barnett walks into the precinct and he's what
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  Speaker 1: twenty three years old, freshly scrubbed.
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  Speaker 8: Four twenty five, Yeah, something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Probably ill fitting suit, bad tie. What are the cops?
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  Speaker 2: I think of sport.
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  Speaker 13: Sport, sport, sport code and genes. They can tell if
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  Speaker 13: you're on their side or not. And I was on
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  Speaker 13: their side. I mean I was there to decide whether
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  Speaker 13: the whether the evidence was there, but I was there
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  Speaker 13: to work with them, and they liked me, and I
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  Speaker 13: like them, and they used me many type. For example,
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  Speaker 13: there would be times in which they had all their
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  Speaker 13: guys had taken a run at defendants, at suspects in
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  Speaker 13: terms of getting confessions. They needed the to somebody fresh
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  Speaker 13: to do the interrogation, and I would come in and
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  Speaker 13: I would do another interrogation.
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  Speaker 8: So it was great to work with them.
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  Speaker 13: Now, there were moments in which they were not happy
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  Speaker 13: with me, and I talk about those in Felony Review.
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  Speaker 13: And I actually had a case on the far South
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  Speaker 13: Side where the homicide sex detectives stuck around to escort
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  Speaker 13: me out of the building after I was doing my paperwork.
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  Speaker 13: I didn't even know they were sticking around. But I
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  Speaker 13: think what they were trying to do was shield me
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  Speaker 13: from the tactical officers who had done the arrest and
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  Speaker 13: I denied the charges.
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  Speaker 8: There I let the guy go, and they were.
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  Speaker 13: There to protect me, I think, from being intimidated by
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  Speaker 13: these tack officers in the middle of the night. I
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  Speaker 13: didn't realize that was happening until they walked me to
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  Speaker 13: my car.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Randy, I got to get one con law question in.
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  Speaker 1: But first, how do you go from Harvard law to
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  Speaker 1: Coke County prosecutor? What happened in between?
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  Speaker 8: Well, you don't do it because you have a Harvard
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  Speaker 8: law degree.
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  Speaker 13: I'll tell you that because when I applied for a
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  Speaker 13: clerkship there I got turned down. I got the clerkship
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  Speaker 13: which got me the job when the prosecutor who prosecuted
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  Speaker 13: the armed robbery of my grandfather and my brother in Harvey,
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  Speaker 13: Illinois went to bat for me, and then all of
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  Speaker 13: a sudden the state's attorney's office changed their mind and said, oh,
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  Speaker 13: we do have a place for you after all.
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  Speaker 8: And that's where I got my foot in the door.
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  Speaker 13: And then by doing a good job as a clerk,
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  Speaker 13: I had all kinds of people going to bat for
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  Speaker 13: me to get the job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as a as a law clerk. Long ago, Abner
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  Speaker 1: was on the Dsy circuit. I didn't clerk for him,
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  Speaker 1: but I was on the circuit at that time, and
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  Speaker 1: he told the story to all the clerks. He showed
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  Speaker 1: up to volunteer for a campaign and in Cook's County
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  Speaker 1: he said, who sent you? He said, nobody sent me.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want nobody there. Nobody sent So I'm amazed
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  Speaker 1: that you ended up in Cooks County. Randy my Conlock
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  Speaker 1: question what President Trump is doing or ordering the military
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  Speaker 1: to do in Iran, I am perfectly happy with and
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's within his authority as commander.
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  Speaker 2: In chief, what do you think.
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  Speaker 8: I tend to share that view.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, we have a very long history of presidents
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  Speaker 13: dating all the way back to Thomas Jefferson sending the
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  Speaker 13: Marines to fight the Barbary Pie, which without a declaration
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  Speaker 13: of war, declaration of wars half legal consequence. And that's
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  Speaker 13: one reason why you want to get one if you can.
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  Speaker 13: But I'm not sure they're absolutely necessary, especially when a
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  Speaker 13: country has declared war on us for the last forty
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  Speaker 13: seven years. Death to America means something if it's coming
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  Speaker 13: from a country that has nuclear weapons on the top
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  Speaker 13: of ballistic missiles, and.
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  Speaker 8: That's what around as.
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  Speaker 13: And you know, I think at some point, shouting death
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  Speaker 13: to the other country and taking doing everything in your
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  Speaker 13: power to see that you get the capability of bringing
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  Speaker 13: death to that country and having the blood of countless
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  Speaker 13: servicemen and other civilians on your hands, that's enough to
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  Speaker 13: justify military action.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, okay, I just wanted to double check
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  Speaker 1: with my authority. Back to Felony Review. When you put
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  Speaker 1: this book out, we have one minute. How did you
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  Speaker 1: expect it to sell to prosecutors, the law students, to
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  Speaker 1: friends of Randy Barnett? How did you expect Felony Review
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  Speaker 1: to sell.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I expect everybody in your audience to buy at
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  Speaker 13: least one copy. This morning, I was on the I
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  Speaker 13: was on Chicago talk radio and the meeting.
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  Speaker 8: I hung up the phone.
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  Speaker 13: I heard from a circuit court judge Inago in Chicago
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  Speaker 13: who was a prosecutor when I was there, just to
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  Speaker 13: compliment me on my appearance and looking forward to reading
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  Speaker 13: the book.
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  Speaker 8: I think if you're.
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  Speaker 1: Running Chicago again during drive time home tonight, right now,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking to Chicago again, so you might get more.
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  Speaker 1: Old friend, call Randy Barnett, Professor Randy Barnett, author of
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  Speaker 1: so many great books.
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  Speaker 2: And now a Fellony Review.
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  Speaker 1: It's right to talk to your heel up and I'll
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  Speaker 1: see you soon. Don't go anywhere in America.
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  Speaker 6: I'm hug doing