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Construcción Plural - Programa 1119 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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  Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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  season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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  to it on radio train topic. For example, you know how much a
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  kilo of meat is worth. Today I have the shopping. You don'
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  t do where you know how much they take a minimum ticket. You don
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  ' t know how much minimum retirement is. No, and you know it.
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  I' m not telling you to see. You don' t know
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  because you' re in the big lines or because you' re not,
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  because I look at the numbers added. Yeah, so, like I'
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  m gallant of clear numbers, so I look in aggregate terms, so I
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  don' t look at the particular small numbers, that is, because that
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  ' s where having the sensitivity of people also what? What? So my
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  friends, very but very good afternoon that we are averaging the week in prural
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  construction, aggregates, circulating monetarys. And the he Lu gossip said it well
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  that yesterday the faithful did a bit of serious journalistic reporting. After so many
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  centers, so much servility can go with a signified weight ahead of the nation.
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  More later, in the case of Mahula Ager' s Trebuje on Radio
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  Well, he did a little. I squeeze it a little bit, as
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  it should be in question and repugnant the journalistic trade, not a little bit.
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  That Hellum report that happened to us Juan Justo is old, but it
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  brings to us the one that made him yesterday on Chronicle TV, where reiter
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  did a little serious journalism, because when the interview in the nation more Amahula
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  to Miley of journalism seriously, there is nothing, but of servility, and
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  this anti- journalism that Avergonzález. Well, here we are four of the
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  afternoon blues dollar of twenty pesitos thousand thirty- five Bajan in the count with
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  Licky and the mep is that they are about two thousand fifty- four.
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  He was numbered with Liquiys a thousand twelve. There is the dollar on which
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  side this plural Wednesday construction is averaging the week, as I tell you,
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  we will be calling ourselves to join with the political consultant specialist of communication,
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  Javier Correa, director of the consultant Attock. We will also be with Marcelo
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  Cantermia recovering the column of international political cantelmide, because it costs us a lot
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  to locate them. It costs us a lot with the national and economic policy
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  agenda and the Millake management that has us here and there. Unfortunately, we
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  do a little bit with Justo an Royter. We were in testimony or Alberto
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  of last week, but also the other one who takes care of it,
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  political, international politician, Marcelo that Antel Mi we have a little further away,
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  as I say, dominates national politics and the economy. Then cantel Me
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  appears less, but well we intend to recover Marcelo cantel Mic editorial, the
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  international chief is from Clarín nor our columnist in a little while just to see.
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  On the other hand, what else, and we will also have Alejandro
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  ' s audios. Tomorrow we will close with Gustavo Ferrari Wolmanson and with an
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  audio of economic program also from Camiloticornia, director of seite psychonomic advisors. But
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  good. Now it is time to greet them as they were satisfied with the
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  astropy. To Javier Correa, specialist in political communication and director of Adhock consultancy.
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  Javier, Good afternoon, Fernando, Greetings, Angusto, Mo Hello,
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  Fernando, how are you, how are you doing well, well, very
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  well. Thank you for tying us first. Okay. How you would characterize
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  a little communicational management, which has a lot of social networks. I don
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  ' t know the tribe to Macria, Mabril Mate will have done it the
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  other day that it' s my law, the boss, i e the
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  sister, and social media. How you' d rate it a little good.
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  Look, it seems to me that it has a lot to do with
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  its political and, if you want, economic characteristics. It seems to me
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  that for the objectives being set by politicians and economics. Your communication is correct.
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  What we have to see is whether the political tools you are using to
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  achieve your objectives are the right ones. For me, if you want more
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  debatable what I can tell you from the point of view of political communication,
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  the idea of generating such a solid consensus with regard to your voters, with
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  that idea of disruption, of change, of fighting against caste, of identifying
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  an enemy, with a concept that is that of caste, so accommodative for
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  Javier Miley' s objectives, it seems to me that it is a finding.
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  It seems to me that in that sense it is correct. Then,
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  from there, for me, I would say that his political objective coincides with
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  his communication. The social media is probably the most striking feature is basically the
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  place of Javier Miley' s natural habitat, of the entire government, which
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  is where they have developed in such a successful way. And that place is
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  a place that also has some characteristics that you can see in conception or in
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  political leadership, in the economic conception of what I mean. There is an
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  idea of intensity, there is an idea of disruption, of impact, but
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  also and the part that concerns the management of social networks, there is an
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  idea of isolation and community. That, when it comes to governing, when
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  it comes to building consensus, has made a problem. So let' s
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  say it' s kind of complex, because go tells me how good the
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  community seems to me. Now. That' s good for the country or
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  to rule and I don' t think so. That' s where I
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  want to be clear in that differentiation, not intent, so let' s
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  remember that you wrote it very recently, you can read it by the listeners,
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  a very interesting note in online politics. How is this of the intensity
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  fully understood. How is this about isolation in the Community? It' s
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  like he' s heading for that already convinced. How is this isolation thing?
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  It sounds to me, it makes me sound that word see not only
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  on social networks, but it seems to me a characteristic of Milay' s
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  political conduction and that we can transfer it, if you want, to his
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  communication in general and then we can try to give it to his digital communication
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  as well. It seems to me that, in that sense of a coherence
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  of the thread What I mean by good isolation for listeners, the people who
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  are listening to us. I don' t want to be basic around there,
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  but I don' t think everyone understands how social networks work. I
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  say it quickly. It' s what platforms are looking for that we spend
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  the most time on them, how they do it, they quickly detect.
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  And there' s the famous phrase of the famous algorithm concepts of being quickly
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  what we like and what interests us. That' s the exercise we can
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  do. Any of us get into each other' s YouTube or each other
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  ' s Instagram and it' s going to come in the whole stick if
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  I' m mouth- to- mouth. All news comes from mouths of
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  river to, from above, etcetera. And I never come across a new
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  to the full roasted mouth or messi if we say more or less or cook
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  or certain thing or trips or each one looks for what does this. This
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  is what reinforces us all the time or an idea, because we also start
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  to follow each other and look at all the people or all the opinions or
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  all the data that reinforce our previous belief. Some will say good, but
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  I see things in networks that people disagree with me, okay, but you
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  ' re seeing things that disagree with you, just because you look at them
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  to further strengthen your identity. So, in political, ideological terms, what
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  social networks do as well as in other areas, what social networks do is
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  all the time is reinforcing our previous beliefs That' s what I mean by
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  isolation or what some authors of the House of Echo or communities do. But
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  there is also another power of social media, which we can see in government
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  communication, which is intensity, intensity what this is. And social networks reward
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  the intensity, what this means, that they reward participation, the one who
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  writes, the one who posts, the one who comments, the one who
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  laika is highly rewarded. So those communities that we call intense minorities, which
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  have many incentives to participate in social networks, are rewarded. How they are
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  awarded, they have greater visibility. And this is also a problem because you
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  have a prize if there is something that you think has not been socially accepted
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  on social networks you have a double prize for why, because you are going
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  to meet people who think like you. Easier because virtuality allows you to hire
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  yourself with a Chinese who thinks like you. For exaggerating and in turn,
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  that small world that thinks like you is something that has not been socially accepted.
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  It' s much more visible. So a terraplanist, he was commenting,
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  a terraplanist or an anti- vaccine has a huge award on social media.
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  That doesn' t mean it' s the vast majority, but on
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  loud social media. So this isolation, moreover, this intensity, is a
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  problem when it comes to thinking democratically, persevering the operation in consensus of the
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  transformation of a country, and that also pomor politically. That' s a
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  little what I described the one who was chatting with music video in terms of
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  political construction, beyond the imaginary, the enemy and so on, there'
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  s also the subject. We do not see it in concrete now with the
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  governors, beyond the new refoundation, with which the pact, on the 25th
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  of May, that we will see that it arises from there or it has
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  not cost him, let us say to see this of posing enemy friend and
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  even the collaborators that, if they doubt or if they vote me in general,
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  but not in particular, become enemies. The caste and everything demonized has
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  not resulted in political construction. I mean, sometimes it' s in your
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  image or yours or one hundred and fifty- six, even though it'
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  s slowly dropping fifty- ten percent, but obviously I' m not reducing,
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  in political construction. I say sometimes these games of political construction don'
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  t get a little into tension versus the cop and sometimes it becomes a verse,
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  and that I want to go to construction in communication or networking. I
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  agree with your look. The question is perhaps whether this mode of political leadership,
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  which is basically building a new rift on request or to the President'
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  s letter, which is a horita where he defines yes, which does not
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  give me the feeling, which is a crack for spasmodic moments, if that
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  is capable of being transformative in the concrete sense of the word. Or,
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  Fernando, let us not put ourselves on the idea that there is a majority
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  consensus, that the objectives of transformation of the President or of the Government are
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  shared, are consensual. If that were the case, the question would be
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  really the way the tools chosen by the Government will lead us to that goal.
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  Then we discuss whether the objectives so shared or not, and any river
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  can now have the right tools. Well, in principle, they give the
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  feeling that they don' t and if they do, they' re going
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  to make a novelty in recent history, at least recently in Argentina. I
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  ' ll give you two examples of what matters if we agree or not say
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  no. I want to put a little look at the tools. The case
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  of Nestro Kisner or the case of Carlos Menem not two really different opposite models.
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  Carlos Mann had the Peronism behind him and although it cost him even convertibility
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  with the Peronism behind him and supported in the UCD, he sought to broaden
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  his base of support. Nestor Killan was the same in his weakness. He
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  had his strength because, being so aware of his weakness of origin, he
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  went to seek to expand his governmental sustenance. He did it with radicalism and
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  with Peronism behind him. The novelty in this case is without any powerful traditional
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  party or even pro. I am not talking to you about Peronism, radicalism
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  or even pro because pro is still a diffuse thing. My law is going
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  to places that even operate against your vote box in the short term. In
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  the short term, that is undoubtedly in terms of indicators that we can talk
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  about and are very eloquent, but that allow it to go towards the credibility
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  of that voter, but that isolate it not again, then it gives me
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  the feeling that if it succeeds in that way, it will be a novelty.
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  It' s not what menem Vi did that he did this communicative disruption
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  that poses to my law will have to see again, as you say,
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  a new, a new crack to ask of him and so on. But
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  since there is an amalgam, no, if we say today, it has
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  more than half the support of the societies of that fifty- six where the
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  voter, the one who sees it libertarian networks, buys everything, but it
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  is much more real, even by a fear and cultural, the voter of
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  the pro that again coincides with the political objectives. This economic ability blabla blabla
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  fit, but you don' t like it, you don' t like
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  what you said the other day in the devotee' s copy. He doesn
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  ' t like the way he comes across the dressing. He doesn' t
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  like it when he disqualifies such a thing in such a way, or that
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  everyone' s rivals or Pichetto or some honors from a Patagonian governor, etcetera,
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  etcetera. There' s no such thing as a disruption. Let us
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  also say within those who support Miley, where the form is shared. Let
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  ' s say, we share part of the Manna strategy, which is shared
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  yes, the way, but not the way to achieve it. Or is,
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  despite the way. Anyway, I want to go down inflation, to
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  get over fiscal and then, despite the screams, I support it equally.
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  But there' s that fish. Let' s just say it has something
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  to do with it. With political communication he looks at several things. Religion.
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  The first time, I think Miley won much more than Peronism itself.
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  What I don' t want, well, you mentioned it in the column
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  you just mentioned. Which doesn' t mean that Peronism doesn' t have
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  a rule of responsibility for everything that' s going on. Let' s
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  say, my law is explained because if ten years or more total prepanera does
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  not grow the netian. You do not want all economic indicators to be in
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  absolute decline. Let' s say this is undeniable. What I want to
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  say to you is that milet beats Peronism more than he does is that my
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  law is left with the representation of anti- Peronism and that the entire pro
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  voter who now accompanies Miley, who is a majority, a vast majority.
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  Therefore, the pro that accompanies Miley I find in my law some dissonance with
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  respect to forms, but is completely in agreement with being opposed to Peronism.
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  Let' s say I think that voter is still there and that if there
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  ever is any disappointment, they' re going to do it for the theme
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  of the agreement Let' s remember that that voter who questioned Cristina a lot
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  was in his forms. It is very difficult of rationality and without Chicanando to
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  ask that voter if the problem of forms is a problem, which is that
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  before it does not exist now, but that previously existed because Peronism and the
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  voter of Peronism also has its own contradictions. But so I say a linearity.
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  Now I remember both sides radicalized. There are double speeches, Tita bar,
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  that is, mine protected them, but on any subject I want to
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  see inflation corruption. What was that not done that you raised a problem of
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  extremes, which I believe Argentina is moving forward as something bad towards extremes and
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  fanaticism. And extremes and fanaticism have a lot to give the idea of poses
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  directly. I don' t even think it' s very relevant to analyze
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  the contradictions of extremes. What I' m afraid of is trying to get
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  together. We are now thinking about how the political system is rearmed. To
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  me, within this row of the political theus, you start to think that
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  we have a President who two years ago had no political party and is President
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  of the nation and all parties have a problem of leadership. And I'
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  m not just talking about the obvious peronism and radio. There' s nothing
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  but the huge ones. I also refer to the prof to the pro not
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  together for change, to the prospectively Ama. Patricia Burrich is probably leaving by
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  right and Horacio Rodríguez Larreta is leaving on the left. It is not a
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  minor issue, not then, and about that, about that overflowing, about
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  the political system, product of the undeniable failure of that traditional political system,
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  operates play and lopede intelligently. I don' t think it' s minor.
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  Nor does it, yes, something got there has despite the Furibundo adjusted,
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  now Millay, proposed a good cultural change, we already saw it in
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  Davos and others, almost giving lessons now in the punctuality of or because one
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  is well the progressive populism that everyone that up to here must always understand the
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  delineante, who is a victim Extremely this I say, we go from one
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  end to the other that I say I did not even share the other end.
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  I can place myself in the middle, but no matter what I think,
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  but I say we move on to the other, where one understands that
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  you may have been fired in the public administration, you find gnokis, hired,
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  not labura, etcetera. And I don' t even say in those
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  cases, but I say this cruelty in general. One of the words that
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  defines my law is cruelty how we culturally pass from already I say to you
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  well, I made a fano, but to think that this father was also
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  worried poor. It is a vitiper the system to which society, or half
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  society, or little more in the midst of society, accepts even the cruelty
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  of dismissing people that I still accept not entering into that small letter and to
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  discuss whether it corresponded that there are excesses of the loan, which I say
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  more, but the cruelty that we see in the highest representatives from my law
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  to sleep I asked him yesterday this also I have seen in networks s I
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  asked him yesterday more jul what it was for change. He asked him about
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  the floods and he says good. This is the cult of populism. Ten
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  years for Cullico. I mean, it doesn' t even say good.
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  The truth is that people' s situation is a discourse, a little closer
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  to closeness. The truth is that I regret people' s situation, the
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  peodoe is dead that someone in Valentía in alcino, but this one is political.
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  I mean, she doesn' t even take my job when I talk
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  about retirees. I said good, but you know how it is the sector
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  that has the least indicator of poverty, that of the toys. I mean,
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  I' m looking for a ride and it doesn' t even empathize
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  with the tight one. How we pass, I say culturally, I explain,
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  Let' s say from one end to the other that good poor,
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  ah well, pure cruelty. Let' s say still justifying, I repeat,
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  without going into justifying adjustments or etcetera, etcetera. I' ll explain
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  where I' m going. Okay. First of all, I share with
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  you and the problem of leadership is a problem that you have studied in social
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  psychology. Psychology, that is, tried to have her as dictators of the
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  most tremendous thing in history. Do little and very much maff make degrees that
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  people with normal proper reasoning will transform into what have been transformed so that the
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  systems devised by the leaders will function as they worked. Let' s say
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  on that basis I don' t want to minimize at all the importance of
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  leadership in opening a rift, generating violence or confrontation or generating a more reflective
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  dialogue or dialogue in public conversation. I don' t want to minimize that
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  at all. Now, trying to be able to fire tuplanter is good.
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  Cruelty is the daughter of revanchism. Revanchism is the son of anger and frustration.
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  And here in Argentina, the patience of Argentine society over a political system
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  that has failed over and over again, let us say Christian, is no
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  less, the political system changes it to come to the mast and promising things
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  that at the age of four there is a thing that at that time was
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  not normal in the region, that no one President can re- elect his
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  first term. The failure of Macrea sivo eloquently and then in Alberto Fernández,
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  with everything we have in the knowledge medium, regardless of pandemic and so on,
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  everything that the Government has done internally, has been a total damage.
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  That' s what ends up validating. If that' s your question,
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  it' s how it' s valid. Well, it' s gonna
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  be fine, it' s not validated, because everything' s fine.
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  And if this doesn' t, don' t and understand, understanding what
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  my law is an emergent of the time. It' s not that under
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  the flying dish or we installed this cultural change or it' s look.
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  Obviously, it' s an emerging number and he probably has personal relief and
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  in that it connects constantly with society and so on. But I want to
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  ask you one thing that is you wouldn' t confuse me, it'
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  s probably an expression of desire. I would not be confused with that prize
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  that has, this violence, this confrontation in society. It gives me the
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  feeling that society or I want to believe, but well, these are things
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  that we are studying, analyzing, that we will continue to see that societies
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  are not so easily tolerated. The thing is, he doesn' t see,
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  he' s not aware, probably of that gravity, he doesn'
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  t have to be. But look because this confrontation we talked about at the
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  beginning of the talk Fernando, it is something highly rewarded in social networks and
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  is even highly rewarded in the media. The idea of criticism, the whore,
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  the idea of confrontation, the Chicana. In addition, they are very
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  shocking things, both for network television. So what I want to avoid and
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  again I' m probably doing in something unprofessional and much more emotional, which
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  is not wanting to believe it is that I don' t want to confuse
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  between the impact they have on television and networks with the impact that society has.
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  And it' s something we' re trying to look at and we
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  ' re going to keep looking at as long as when you look I tell
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  you what caught my attention. El Valdez, the governor of currents, recently
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  declared two or three weeks ago that I care three fucks, what the istor
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  thinks I was called a lot and I remember and I took it caught my
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  attention a lot. That' s why you' re mentioning it' s
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  if we start naturalizing the form of communication of my law is that of a
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  governor and then that of a mayor and then that of a teacher in a
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  faculty talk or at a school. It' s not gonna be a problem
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  when we' re slapping each other on the street all the time. Well,
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  let' s know this was born from somewhere. No, and I
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  don' t think that' s sora. If my law experience fails,
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  I can' t talk to Wayme here yesterday. If he fails, he
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  ' s a prince to Miley. We can probably go to a third life,
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  a return to a centrism. That is how good toy goes quickly,
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  good quickly in terms of months, I say years, but it can also
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  turn and return to a more rational channel. So, a little in quotation
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  marks from nothing, it wouldn' t be so out of nothing. It
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  ' s going to be a failure of this management, but I mean,
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  that could be re- caused, you could finally get a little bit out
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  of the crack that everyone criticizes, which is the one that was going to
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  end Macria and the one that Alberto was going to end up with Rante,
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  but they all obviously capitalize on it. It suits them as a mode of
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  political accumulation in incentive, although today Millay heard, but you think that,
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  indeed, if Milay' s experience failed, we could say a kind of
• 23:11
  centrism or a certain greater rationality. Or not. The world is all over
• 23:15
  the place. We have Melonio, orban O to whatever, and so it
• 23:18
  ' s going to talk about Trumpi and or the sound, and then it
• 23:22
  ' s hard to think of a more rational centrist thing in the future Look
• 23:30
  at me the feeling that all processes have a majority genetic composition regarding the project
• 23:38
  of the previous process, you don' t explain Menen, but Alfonsín,
• 23:42
  you don' t explain the rough without menem and so on to alcoality.
• 23:47
  So, if the case I want to dwell a little bit on the idea
• 23:52
  of failure of the Milay project, but in the case that this project does
• 23:56
  not do well, probably the one that best opposes this, that failure will
• 24:03
  be the one that best suits you. In that sense, I could apply
• 24:07
  this that you raise voices if moderation, if professional politics, that dialogue or
• 24:11
  if anything that contradicts this could work. It seems to me that yes,
• 24:17
  that it is entirely plausible that your argument now seems to me that the failure
• 24:25
  of this government, if it happens and we are talking about it, because
• 24:29
  there is a lot of doubt about its tools. It is a very complex
• 24:33
  failure for Argentina and for society, since it does not seem that there is
• 24:37
  such a simple renewal of my law Government on a vassalized political system where you
• 24:44
  bring it I do not remember who, because I would love to quote it.
• 24:47
  He was telling me this is a two thousand one, but inside the
• 24:49
  institutions I haven' t read it too somewhere. I quite agree with that
• 24:53
  idea. It was channeled better than in two thousand one. But here'
• 24:57
  s a two thousand one. There is a lack of representativeness, lack of
• 25:03
  leadership, lack of content, which is a little what you amount to.
• 25:06
  Regarding Peronism, I agree that they sang to a certain part of the population.
• 25:11
  Well, what comes after an early failure of this government' s time
• 25:15
  is serious, it' s bad and it' s not desirable. It
• 25:18
  ' s not desirable. Regardless if you don' t like this political project.
• 25:25
  And finally, and thanking you Javier, social humor. Let' s
• 25:30
  just say how hard it is to answer, it' s empty. Let
• 25:33
  ' s say this particular model of adjustment based on change, because part of
• 25:37
  the government' s ability to say good was thrown out on change one,
• 25:41
  obviously the basic and that' s good. Yes, yes, I voted.
• 25:44
  I don' t know He threw a change or the subject had to
• 25:45
  be changed. Yeah, this is the only change, it' s the
• 25:47
  only change possible. But I say, depending on this, I say how
• 25:51
  you see social humor about this model. I don' t know how much
• 25:56
  you recited. The other is that indeed, my law achieves some benes,
• 26:00
  some political achievements in terms of part of what was voted. Political stability is
• 26:03
  a sensitive drop in inflation. Let' s put him at the end of
• 26:07
  the year for so quiet, but at the same time start to raise other
• 26:11
  issues that have to do with unemployment, with the recession. I don'
• 26:14
  t know if with poverty, I mean, to what extent I hear very
• 26:22
  cut, Fernando, I don' t know if you hear me right now,
• 26:26
  I hear you right there, I hear you right there, OK.
• 26:29
  The last one said the stirrup. Thanking You I say how I feel this
• 26:33
  social a little what intuition you have, how much this adjustment model is banking
• 26:37
  and how much to a law not going wrong in terms of stability, let
• 26:41
  ' s start reading a date at the end of the year of insensitive inflation
• 26:45
  decline. He misses the thing because they change the axes. I already told
• 26:48
  you it' s not inflation or so on, but unemployment, poverty and
• 26:52
  recession look. We don' t know. If I were to disbelief of
• 27:00
  someone who sharply raised an answer to this, what I can tell you is
• 27:03
  that a little bit of what we were talking about, what we were just
• 27:08
  talking about about is the intensity with which this Government, the President and this
• 27:15
  tendency towards isolation politically and economically drives. What it also does is to accelerate
• 27:18
  the need for results, because it also generates impact on other actors of power
• 27:26
  who begin to have incentives to get into that confrontation and, for example,
• 27:30
  all that is the intensity in economic management is very noticeable. On my day
• 27:34
  - to- day I' d tell you about ninety- eight percent of
• 27:38
  Argentines. In other words, there is sixty percent inflation in the last three
• 27:41
  months that is not minimizing the above. The regulation of fuels, prepaid fuels,
• 27:45
  sales but retailers who once again saw food and beverage uniforms, have indicators
• 27:49
  similar to the pandemic. This means diamos. The idea you propose is if
• 27:57
  inflation drops, that' s going to be a prize, that' s
• 28:02
  going to be what we can say here are the results of my law.
• 28:04
  Or lower inflation a cost that will not give value to that the President.
• 28:10
  Well, I think the question is that of course, I think it'
• 28:15
  s unknown? Do I think he' s a little unknown? What you
• 28:18
  have to see is that how we go from the short- term results that
• 28:25
  are these, which are obviously negative, to the medium- term results that
• 28:29
  are held today with the narrative and with the communication that I have proposed to
• 28:33
  you as very effective, the promise of being better. Well, that transition
• 28:37
  right now is wrong. We' re saying this effort by being better is
• 28:41
  what' s the big unknowns how you pass, how you cross that bridge
• 28:45
  and if this bridge is going to be, when we' re getting better,
• 28:49
  what we mean, what' s the indicator we' re going to
• 28:52
  look at, that of inflation, or that of employment, or that of
• 28:57
  education or that of economic distribution, economic growth, well, I don'
• 29:03
  t know if it' s going to be whenever we' re going to
• 29:06
  be looking at inflation, as we' re looking at it now. Probably
• 29:06
  later it' s called less inflation, but we' re angry about something
• 29:10
  else and that' s the truth. They' re all unknown, to
• 29:11
  me very valid. I' m not minimizing them at all. Perfect well,
• 29:17
  Javier Correa, thank you very much. Uh, pleasure, pleasure to
• 29:21
  talk, charge, anything. Thank you. We talked to Javier mail specialist
• 29:26
  in political communication. Here, in prural construction, we leave quickly to pause
• 29:30
  and these reciprocates. We are already talking with our columnist on international politics,
• 29:33
  Marcel What before this summer you go wherever you go, enjoy it in full
• 29:45
  with the best meat in the world, Argentine meat, against the best recipes
• 29:48
  in Argentine meat or Arles remember that they can find us on social networks or
• 29:59
  on our web where we extend our journalistic work. We find ourselves on Twitter,
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  twenty- two, firmn de Farmauriy two thousand twenty- two and as always
• 30:15
  where we upload audios of the program analysis of specialist columnists. Our website adds
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  triple point slight Approaches, point Blogspot, point with point ar Very good,
• 30:32
  very good. Here we are ex We continue to build plug It' s
• 30:34
  weighty, the thing with twenty- four degrees, but it' s borrowed.
• 30:37
  We can dampen it. The rains would leave tomorrow. Finally, with
• 30:41
  everything. This is why he lacks infrastructure material, but of course, well,
• 30:45
  when I had seen it like this, neither did he. No.
• 30:48
  There' s not much city to receive. One of the day' s
• 30:52
  data. It has to look good inflation to be I say less than expected.
• 30:56
  Thus, artist in the sixty percent trimester, but the contribution to the
• 30:59
  theme that in March would not give him Fernando te more seasonality typical of the
• 31:03
  time and others is about thirteen, fourteen, fifteen percent. I do not
• 31:08
  think that twenty percent, like from that page twelve put the data of being
• 31:11
  less than expected, but that it follows a certain mantici the subject also some
• 31:15
  economic ones. Fernando, the important one will be able to go down in
• 31:18
  three, four, or five or six months to eight nine. The subject
• 31:21
  some mere macist is what left tar said, but of course, price third
• 31:25
  sincere pricing. The problem with this is that, after lowering the CIA something
• 31:29
  plausible, bearable and vible two, three, four percent. For starters,
• 31:33
  it' s not that easy, I say jump from the blessed digit that
• 31:37
  Miley or capoint Milla speaks of and you see it today because re subtracts six
• 31:40
  points from the prefagas or transport and says thirteen minus, six out of seven
• 31:45
  is going to come down from eight, nine, seven, eight, nine,
• 31:48
  three, four, three, four. It' s not very much.
• 31:49
  It is not as easy as for that not the fall of the piano
• 31:53
  or Milan poses for now the one that had the piano is given in terms
• 31:56
  of activity, which is totally fallen and desba murdered. Well, I keep
• 32:01
  telling them that news of the day the session fell has to go to Congress.
• 32:08
  Today the group of We Make Federal Concession, a group of provincial migrants
• 32:15
  encapsulated by Pichetto, but without the support of any of those benches, like
• 32:19
  the legislators, three at least deputies, Governor Loyola, did not go down
• 32:23
  to the session. He didn' t get corrum like this was. Let
• 32:28
  ' s say, it was not dealt with in committee, which requires two
• 32:30
  thirds to meet. There is no session and neither was it, it seems
• 32:35
  to me on the votes only there is no session to deal with a project
• 32:40
  of its own in opposition playful muulity. Now tomorrow, there' s acson
• 32:43
  in the Senate and maybe you can. In a first step. I hit
• 32:46
  the coronum a thousand Leyte. I think he' s been over this.
• 32:50
  The report stated that if Peronism, part of Peronism and part of the drug
• 32:53
  position in drugs, were to be the first step in drug abuse, it
• 32:58
  would be the first step sixty- two cameras per manger. Thank you,
• 33:00
  Doña Cristina Fernández, that in order not to lower any denumo and rigor gave
• 33:04
  me two cameras, not a two. He has to give a decree like
• 33:07
  that of ne a seventy Barra, Miley' s twenty- three. Well,
• 33:09
  maybe tomorrow I' ll have a political hit. In that sense.
• 33:12
  It is much more likely that this mobility that was sung than in Members today
• 33:15
  would not go and we will see if tomorrow the Senate will, although then
• 33:19
  we have to see if this is finally coming down, as I say in
• 33:22
  the second Chamber, which is the lower House of Members. I got the
• 33:23
  neu right one. The flax Marcelo Cantelmi told them we have a lot,
• 33:28
  a lot of economy, a lot of national politics, a little sidelined on
• 33:31
  the international political agenda. More. There' s some incursion into Alberto'
• 33:36
  s audios just roite. But good and it' s good to have Don
• 33:38
  Marcelo live. I sang my Marcelo, good afternoon, how are you doing
• 33:42
  Fernando how well, good weather, good weather that we do not speak to
• 33:45
  the air, We talk a lot permanently by Whatsapp, not connected. We
• 33:49
  ' re just as good at seeing two or three temites. Quick that I
• 33:53
  pan the first thing Donia Rosa says, we would say honor the lost Bern.
• 33:58
  You order what happens in America. You understand, well, you'
• 34:07
  re bound, you' re almost oblivious to reelection. I say yes.
• 34:12
  The concrete thing is that it is already defined by November. For many analysts
• 34:22
  it has not been a great idea for Johan to seek re- election due
• 34:29
  to issues of tiredness in the American voter that involves the two let' s
• 34:35
  say cheat and it will go, as he said well, and that the
• 34:40
  dispute falls that internally contested to the Republican intern, actually the people that is
• 34:45
  a change of the two from the two parties, even the candidacy. This
• 34:52
  woman showed that there is a broad sector within the Moderate Republican Party, which
• 34:58
  is willing to something else. Let' s see what that November voter is
• 35:01
  born. Look at that too, but the truth is, it' s
• 35:07
  over now. Let' s say we have a review of something that has
• 35:13
  happened to us in the United States since the middle of the last century.
• 35:14
  Let' s just say I' m reneged on this guy among Republican and
• 35:23
  Democratic leaders, an election that defines the political faith of the world, very
• 35:29
  serious, very serious, much more than at other times what can come to
• 35:34
  you in America, because it' s not good. There is no renomination
• 35:37
  of direction. Marcelo because I have these two my old people talking badly and
• 35:39
  soon with all respect, playing the Presidency again, let' s say what
• 35:45
  happens In the Democratic Party, for example, there is no chance. I
• 35:46
  understand that a President is going through the relecon, that is always being sung,
• 35:51
  but I say not even the Vice President, there is no possibility of
• 35:53
  a leadership renewal in the two big parties. There is no such thing,
• 35:59
  obviously, because if there were, we would have a very strong emergent within
• 36:04
  where you can see that in the Republican Party I also make an attempt to
• 36:09
  renew with people of line, a right- wing end, because there is
• 36:16
  the deformation that the Republican Party has, which ceased to be the great party
• 36:20
  at the level of the past to become a kind of structure, a hork
• 36:27
  Right, of a liberal and quite fanatical line. But it wasn' t
• 36:30
  achieved either. And that' s why you can' t do it.
• 36:30
  Okay. There' s a great story to work on. It' s
• 36:36
  mostly linked to the place in America. The United States, for some reason,
• 36:42
  had a populist government after the long rule of Jorge Bush, of the
• 36:46
  Republican Party, which ends with the great collapse in two thousand eight, which
• 36:51
  generates an enormous social crisis in the United States, which explains why there is
• 36:57
  in principle, in the dispute of Dapo next encounter a black and a woman
• 37:05
  and ends up winning the black with Acobama on the island of Clington and why
• 37:12
  a populist president appears to surprise everyone, within a country, of a party,
• 37:15
  of a country like the United States, with the commitments it had.
• 37:20
  In addition, a leading president, who is not liberal, who is protectionist,
• 37:24
  who has a vision without insularity. I would almost tell you what the
• 37:30
  United States was like in World War II, which from there, also takes
• 37:34
  those slogans about Mexila American A Christa Gane. They come from the time when
• 37:38
  Jacominus, the last century was celebrated, that legislators did not replicate, they
• 37:45
  had passports, they did not care about the world. That is a point
• 37:50
  to take into account the great economic and social necrosis of two thousand and eight
• 37:53
  that are the enormous transformation within the United States. Then it arrives in Biden,
• 37:59
  behind the very bad administration of Trump that in many ways, especially the
• 38:04
  disease, that manages to improve the economy, but without any strong freedom,
• 38:10
  without charisma and in addition to an improvement of the economy that was consulted people
• 38:19
  of the republican base, middle middle class low, if you want to keep
• 38:25
  protesting because it manacá everything costs in supermarked I saw twelve fifteen percent more than
• 38:30
  it was before the coronavirus, to say, that inflation low, but high
• 38:36
  prices stabilize. So the recent people that the country isn' t as good
• 38:45
  as it was at the beginning of Trump' s government and a kind of
• 38:51
  fantasy around that the economy actually didn' t get better. The continuing unemployment
• 38:57
  is not true and inflation is not very high either. Anyway, do you
• 39:02
  have to see what' s going on? It is the white state speech
• 39:07
  of the song last Thursday night showed an agility in this rather surprising man.
• 39:16
  Even the immediate polls were very good and you have to see how the fight
• 39:21
  does. And he even released a TV ad now where he jokes about his
• 39:28
  age quite successfully, showing that there are experiences and let' s see how
• 39:35
  that works. And besides Trump' s side, Trump has a very medieval
• 39:38
  discourse, very complicated at the family level of modern abortion and others that explain
• 39:45
  a great deal that the Republican Party has not had a good choice of half
• 39:50
  terms at the legislative level or you don' t rule out at all that
• 39:58
  biden can fight hard for his no. No. No. No. Besides,
• 40:00
  I have a very good friend who says something very sensible in very simple
• 40:06
  outside. If we knew there were no elections and indeed, there are elections
• 40:13
  to determine let' s not talk about Russia, let' s say where
• 40:15
  not. No. That fight is precisely the result, but in America the
• 40:19
  party, we have a result. Man. That' s where I insist
• 40:23
  on the Republican election. The Republican intern left open a question window with the
• 40:30
  Niñigale case. Well and to see elections also in Russia with result sung,
• 40:37
  almost no position more than formal. And Ukraine, in which state, which
• 40:42
  does a lot of honor, in which state the war is in, is
• 40:45
  your ropes or combines with the selections, with the two selections that we are
• 40:50
  talking about, what benefit your long term, Wear that benefits Russia no yes,
• 40:55
  the long case of profit, Russia generated certain wear and tear that has
• 41:01
  announced a drastic increase in taxes for all the elections. So let' s
• 41:05
  say a bad drink, which or not a choice you try to have by
• 41:09
  being eighty percent, a suspicious choice of all kinds of manipulations. By the
• 41:14
  way, with eighty percent, show that that electoral victory is the threshold in
• 41:19
  the war victory. Of course, Trump wins in that November of Putin you
• 41:27
  will celebrate immediately because he has said so, they will cheat them. Tien
• 41:30
  goes to art, because he' s going to lack American support, of
• 41:36
  course, but part of it has shown also. It is achieved by controlling
• 41:42
  the parliament in the U S legislative side of the representatives that they have that
• 41:47
  they have the Republican Party Presidency and that they are blocking the Ukraine via minister,
• 41:52
  because that is doing better in the war. Well, they' re
• 41:55
  helping us in Ukraine and in Europe it' s also a big deal for
• 42:00
  Victor Organ, a great friend, a great indirect voter for Trump and a
• 42:07
  great ally of Copin. Let' s say, that ultra- right sector
• 42:09
  in the world is very produsy and very propupin and very anti- Ukrainian,
• 42:16
  and that greatly complicates Ukraine' s future. However, the war is spreading
• 42:21
  and there is one issue that we have talked about, which is the political
• 42:27
  value that in that conflict. It is not a war between Russia Ukraine.
• 42:30
  This is a conflict between a Western structure, the United States leading the mouth
• 42:37
  with Europe in the middle and the other side Russia and China, which they
• 42:42
  pose, along with the design of the world. Let' s say if
• 42:46
  jeke in any circumstance, that of even or really the world balances we see
• 42:52
  on the West side. That' s why Pacronia. The Polish Chancellor recently
• 42:58
  spoke of the landing of troops in Ukraine. It would be very serious,
• 43:05
  but it shows you the level of risk Europeans do not want to take.
• 43:07
  There is much fear of what might happen the day after a pact, of
• 43:15
  an agreement that shows some sort of victory to see now, to Russian.
• 43:22
  Well, Marcelo, hug and thank you as always, please, big hug
• 43:29
  Marcelo Cantelmia. Here in plural construction, we talked first with him, specialist
• 43:34
  in political communication, Javier Correa. Later, we now recovered after a long
• 43:38
  time, also in January and February we did not make full month. You
• 43:40
  know, we stay on the air that I' m here all month,
• 43:45
  obviously, and now we get back to ourselves. Last week I also had
• 43:46
  in international pollution, the Justin products to see I told them the inflation that
• 43:52
  looks complicated for March thousand and opened the picture a bit. He said yes,
• 43:58
  hard March. It is true that as important as possible that the seasonality
• 44:01
  of March is complex. But, well, this will be a political fact.
• 44:06
  If he doesn' t get him to keep disabling March, one won
• 44:08
  ' t make it and worse still it would be that I raise something a
• 44:12
  little bit, with which the bet also goes on to open beyond that he
• 44:19
  says number his blabbla on February that it is true that he gave himself three
• 44:22
  and thirteen bill, two less than what was in expectation. I was saying
• 44:29
  this yesterday with us, but to certain my law for what was voted for.
• 44:32
  Be it economic and security, your presidency is going to be complicated.
• 44:36
  I see very difficult to go missing on 25 May and we want to have
• 44:39
  the possibility that Congress can turn the neu We will see tomorrow the five hundred
• 44:44
  and sixty one in the Senate and sanction an escape mobility that today, at
• 44:47
  least has not worked in disputes. Let' s see here' s the
• 44:53
  thing about drug trafficking. There are videos, there are about my law talking
• 44:57
  that he prefers mafias over the state for the whole state. So much so
• 45:00
  that he prefers mafias, because they are more loyal and he is going to
• 45:07
  see freedom advance. I hope that, according to the accusation, that its
• 45:12
  financed part of its previous bampaña, for one day enter leader narco and,
• 45:16
  on the other hand, Taculio Olivarona, who has defended that a buovo or
• 45:24
  criminalist can defend the quiquilera. What happens is that later, if you'
• 45:25
  re going to join the Minister of Justice, well, it' s not
• 45:29
  the best thing. He hasn' t defended narcos, so good. Here
• 45:32
  ' s the worry. Donkey who a thousand donkey. Mileyer was probably telling
• 45:42
  a lie because he' s not stupid. He has the half crazy,
• 45:44
  but he is not at all silly and we spoke Correa I saw him embodied
• 45:49
  by political route. Drug trafficking is a province issue, well, not for
• 45:52
  the president who spoke the mafias, portrait is a federal issue, it is
• 45:55
  not a province issue. It' s obviously not worth something in a venuscript
• 46:01
  We' ll be saying goodbye to Alejandro Rosman' s audios, of course,
• 46:05
  and I' ll tell him the production, obviously we have them there
• 46:06
  at mistress' s door. He said very well yesterday, Daniel Kepper.
• 46:08
  I do not understand why the President wanted to penalize the monetary mission. No.
• 46:14
  I do not understand in quotation marks do not place the same situation in
• 46:17
  such a case, finding debt, which is even worse than my rudder and
• 46:22
  more to a contracted taken from abroad and wanting to give it my law apparently
• 46:27
  in a project that also has to sanction Congress I give difficult that to give
• 46:30
  it status of the list of my humanity by issuing money for the President,
• 46:35
  holder of the Central Bank, etc. He said very well if we talk
• 46:37
  about the fact of crimes of his humanity, undo it in our clunist to
• 46:39
  the judicial trias. Yesterday rural example, Fernando told me and of wanting to
• 46:44
  include in three or the issue of coins crimes of his humanity, but nothing
• 46:47
  less than shooting with the disappearance of people. Where are the public officials who
• 46:52
  do not attend the retirees, who are brought to poverty, Where are those
• 46:54
  who do not take care of the community canteens or the medication of the pairs
• 46:59
  of terminal diseases. No, and then good. Obviously, there was a
• 47:04
  phone for my law the reference that I made together in the Kiperas was in
• 47:10
  construct, like a lie more present to him acer saying the inter roof of
• 47:15
  February was achieved. No one imagined this disinflation deeper than in amply comparableity.
• 47:20
  I put the picture myself on board landings there on the social network of the
• 47:23
  bird ex Twitter and x. That' s a lie and convertibility to pinocho.
• 47:28
  The President who has to go down stronger in the installation, a President
• 47:32
  who was a little against the ropes after the fear that the salary was raised
• 47:36
  that yes he did not know what journalist said is re- presidents who do
• 47:38
  not know exactly what any President signs for those responsible. He from lime and
• 47:43
  technique took advantage of the turn to run to the secretary of work and had
• 47:49
  to leave the reportage in quotation marks. The only one I said, the
• 47:51
  only one that baret is that of electronic chichglu, because after he did it,
• 47:54
  the hool more the one who made him winlaje in the nation more than
• 47:57
  it was. Studies are a paradox to studies. The first news report after
• 48:00
  December 10 as a candidate can change your elect. Well pressured to sair the
• 48:07
  streets, because with the social networks among the bad news, it' s
• 48:10
  not enough And a bit for me law to remind him in the seventy-
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  nine, in a thousand nine hundred seventy- nine I also said it on
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  Twitter. Or I remembered ours on Twitter. Martínez Dios worked a price index
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  eliminating meat and derivatives due to the four- fold increase in this type of
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  products. This is what the disembodied index was called, so it was called
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  by the Minister of the dictatorship Martínez Dios, who was trying to give a
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  lower measurement of the insulation. Put in my law that adds the caque says
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  that the other thing that is taken out prepare for it to be made transport,
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  that this than the other one. I' m already on a visit
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  with a numeration. Well, here we go. Finally, it is Patricia
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  Burro' s overplay and he throws himself into the center with all caputo to
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  the truth that ministers are unpresentable, some of them in networks and not in
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  networks of June Liberaula. I say it' s one. They released from
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  justice and obligation with today' s drug dealers who may have done so is
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  in all the law and the gout to defend the guilty. And if you
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  don' t get it all, but then, if you' re going
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  to get justice, you' re stuck with this. No and bullry,
• 49:04
  it' s the faith of the convert that turns around. And it'
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  s worse than anyone. This burriche is a first- hour milleist when before
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  she has said she has obviously spoken pestilences in campaign of her this counterdictor with
• 49:15
  her moment, as it was a way to deal with it. Obviously,
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  freedom is already progressing as much as possible. So we' re going,
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  we' re going to listen to Rockman' s aubes and more na.
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  We found that you were four in the afternoon to close the week with Juan,
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  along with Silvia and chatting live with our correspondent gave me Gustavo Ferrer and
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  Walkinson and with an audio by Camilotisco Rockman. Until tomorrow ros send his usual
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  weekly obvious life dedicated exclusively to talking about lies. I mean, I'
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  m going to try to clarify the listeners and my readers of the whole of
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  the lies that fly through government action since December 10th, hiding the reality many
• 50:15
  times, other times deforming them going few lately setting up non- existent scenarios.
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  It is really a phenomenon that covers many areas of discussion and we are
• 50:30
  going to start with the one that we believe has greater weight at this moment
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  the presidential statements that Argentina has sunk, according to him, a hundred years
• 50:46
  ago and that since then it has sailed in a very unhappy process, not
• 50:55
  giving its inhabitants the benefits that they deserve, that is, they are a
• 51:00
  hundred years lost, a hundred years that had to be forgotten, and that
• 51:05
  is why he is now, because he comes to repair that centennial gap and
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  install the good that was in the country at the end of the century x
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  XIX and beginning of the XX. I want to point out first that in
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  those hundred years Argentina won five Nobel Prizes, three in science, hard sciences,
• 51:25
  exact sciences, sciences that require slow maturation of its research and two for
• 51:34
  being promoters of peace and human rights in Latin America. Brazil has none and
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  the one that follows us is Chile and has two literary awards. It is
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  an example these hundred years with five Nobel laureates of the distant Argentine primacy in
• 51:53
  this vast and different world is Latin America. And the respect at the international
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  level that has just been ratified by two very important information about our human capital
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  is, it is fashionable to say, in scientific terms and in terms of
• 52:12
  capacity to defend human rights. In our case, the primacy of science,
• 52:20
  supported by the State in an increasing but still insufficient way, is being ratified
• 52:24
  and is now in great danger, because those in charge of the Government want
• 52:29
  to destroy the scientific apparatus, mainly through the elimination or subalternization of the role
• 52:35
  of CONMISET. The most interesting case is that it has just been ratified again
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  by CONISET as a world- class scientific institution by a well- known organization
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  dedicated to these studies and it also has the support of a very large group,
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  almost a hundred Nobel Prize winners of the last ten years or fifteen in
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  Science and Technology, who have sent a very hard letter to the government in
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  support of the condition and the scientific administration that is now in charge of a
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  gentleman. The only precedent is to have cloned the President' s dogs.
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  The second lie lie, as we call it, is the supposed cause of
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  inflation that we bear to a greater or lesser extent. About 80 years ago,
• 53:34
  the fiscal deficit was assigned responsibility. It' s a long way from
• 53:38
  the truth. The des and prosecutor is very high. In many other countries
• 53:43
  more than Argentina took two cases the United States or twelve percent of the baby
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  in the year 22 and Britain in the same year with six percent. Argentina
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  has the five in the last measurements, half the result of the balance between
• 53:59
  revenues and current revenues and investments by the State, the other half on the
• 54:04
  part due to the payment of the interest of the perverse external public debt.
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  Inflation in Argentina has many reasons. The most important is the one that is
• 54:17
  now in fashion trying DOTE with its validity will reduce the level of price increase.
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  It is the devaluation of the peso, It is the inability of Argentina
• 54:32
  to generate all the currencies that it needs to grow it, which creates a
• 54:37
  foreign exchange stress that manifests itself in a rate of evaluation often exclusive. The
• 54:44
  Central Bank intervenes in the foreign exchange market, has put a very low devaluation
• 54:49
  rate, two percent monthly to placate prices and, in addition, a deep
• 54:54
  recession that also serves to placate the prices that are estimated to be around five
• 55:01
  percent when it closes this year. With regard to the previous year, a
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  real disaster. At a time when there are no serious difficulties such as the
• 55:14
  pandemic or the credit of the Monetary Fund. In short, it must be
• 55:20
  stolen that devaluation should not be increased in the second half, which is becoming
• 55:24
  more and more likely and if there is an asset of economic recovery will disfluence
• 55:30
  in the increase of the price, then it is a relatively Basque inflation,
• 55:36
  although very high and of a fictitious character. If we go to others on
• 55:42
  time, the truth is that they are not true and that they are proclaimed
• 55:47
  from the top of political power, especially still from the voice of the President
• 55:52
  and yes and from his press voice. That one. As for the real
• 55:59
  wage profile, it is the best indicator of how people are doing in their
• 56:06
  labor insertion process. The royal gazebo, if you take the official data admitted
• 56:14
  by all as legitimate, had a sharp fall of the last quarter of a
• 56:19
  century, when the crisis of two thousand one. The two thousand and two
• 56:22
  then began to grow with the management of Nestor Kirchner and Cristina Kirchner and became
• 56:28
  like something like a seventy percent higher than the starting point, marking the highest
• 56:31
  peak of the whole quarter of the century. That happened in the two thousand
• 56:38
  and twelve. Then there was a slight stagnation, with a very low growth,
• 56:45
  until the malaria of macrism came and the real wage fell twenty percent in
• 56:50
  the four years of the government of macri In the government of Alberto Fernández,
• 56:54
  that data began to grow the first months. Then they experienced the pandemic,
• 57:01
  the Russian Korean war in twenty- two, along with the drought crisis in
• 57:08
  twenty- three, and the final result is estimated to be a reduction in
• 57:15
  real development by six percent, which surely would not have been so had these
• 57:20
  three highly disturbing factors not occurred. The government of the virginy begins and the
• 57:27
  fall in two months is estimated to have been of twenty percent a graphic series
• 57:32
  showing a collapse at the end of January of this year, Only with December
• 57:38
  and January the fall is approaching twenty percent, a real disaster. Why,
• 57:45
  because the strategy of the current government in destruction, not construction, destroys institutions,
• 57:52
  destroys employment, destroys commercial links of great importance at the international level and
• 57:59
  that could result in strong investment processes such as the Griggs or the Road of
• 58:05
  Wax with Continental China, and result in a very strong decrease on the text
• 58:15
  of cancelling the fiscal deficit of government expenditures, which falls by a very high
• 58:20
  proportion by forty percent in the fall of the purchasing power of retirees. Between
• 58:27
  December, January and February, all retirees have lost one third of their purchasing
• 58:34
  power. That has never happened in Argentina. It is a real social disaster,
• 58:39
  because the retired, as in my case, cannot return to work to
• 58:43
  earn. The difference is a clear sign of the perversion of economic and social
• 58:51
  policy and let us hope that the attempts being made by the opposition since Congress
• 58:58
  will allow a partial recovery of what the state has stolen from us in these
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  three months is the strongest armed robbery that a social sector has suffered in times
• 59:09
  of normality. In the functioning of the economy there are no external factors except
• 59:16
  the illicit agreement with the monetary form affect and we are at this moment with
• 59:24
  a fall in the real wage, which is consistent with the recessive process that
• 59:31
  involves the entire current economic project. Why this vision of destruction that the exercise
• 59:39
  of political power has at the moment is a very clear idea, managed with
• 59:47
  a group of economists who have set off all significance. It is the only
• 59:52
  country in the world that proclaims the virtue of monopolies that does not intervene or
• 59:58
  at least says to intervene in the daily economic trajín, allowing it and demand
• 1:00:04
  to make its own game and that, ultimately, now wakes up and begins
• 1:00:09
  to summon the supermescados to interest them in controlling prices. It' s really
• 1:00:16
  a waste of purpose. It is not true, then, that it is
• 1:00:21
  part of any management and interference that is such, since it considers the State
• 1:00:25
  a criminal act and social justice also a criminal act. Dojal back the theme
• 1:00:32
  of social justice as a priority for the social doctrine of the Church, for
• 1:00:38
  example, from its first encyclicals on the critique of capitalism at the beginning of
• 1:00:45
  the 20th century. And anyone can read today in the newspaper a statement in
• 1:00:51
  the newspapers, a public statement by bishops of the Greater Buenos Aires area with
• 1:00:58
  a deep criticism of the official management from the social point of view and a
• 1:01:02
  burning support for the concept of social justice raised by Pope Francis Cerrando. It
• 1:01:12
  ' s a very complex moment. There is talk that there is no money
• 1:01:15
  to give to those who need the minimum to subsist fiercely increased poverty and destitution,
• 1:01:22
  and the government forgets that there are very important resources that would have to
• 1:01:29
  be taxed, as has been proposed in the day and as President Biydent the
• 1:01:34
  United States, for the great capitalists of that country