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The Beauty of the End Game with Natasha Sharma · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Mystic Nerd Squad podcast.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Kelly Myerson, and I am loving life today.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: My guest, who is across the world, but across the virtual table from me, Natasha Sharma, is here.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: And we were just talking before coming on about how amazing our conversation was, just talking about what we were going to talk about on the podcast.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, oh, I wish everybody could have been like there for that juicy conversation.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, welcome, Natasha.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so happy to have you.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited for our conversation today.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_03: Same.
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  SPEAKER_03: And before we start, I just want to read a little bit of Natasha's bio so you guys can get a flavor for what she's all about.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: Natasha was born and brought up in the UK.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: She spent considerable time in Dhaka, Bangladesh, and now lives in Mumbai, India with her husband, Rajeev Sharma, and their two feline fur babies, Freya and Isaac.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: And she's a bonus mother to the beautiful Rewakare Sharma.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome again.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just tickled pink to have you here today because I we talked and I was just like so excited.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: That excitement that you get when you meet someone.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_03: We've been in the same circle.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: You'll be hearing about the book that we're in together.
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  SPEAKER_03: But when you finally meet and talk to somebody and just get a sense of your life paths and the things that you're you're doing and the dreams that you have, not only for yourself, for your family, for your community, for the world at large, for the universe.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we get real big in some of these conversations.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: And that was for me, that was our conversation that we had, Natasha.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you for coming on and chatting with us today.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I uh really look forward to this conversation.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, yeah, we're in a book together, and this book is just pure magic, even though we're, like you said, across continents, across oceans, we're still here in the same space.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: And similarly, our chapters come together so beautifully, nobody would actually, no reader's actually gonna understand that we're 25 different people.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like the message just flows together so magically.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's just absolutely amazing.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the name of the book, for you all to know, is Wealth Codes, and it is all about abundance.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I think one of the coolest things about the way the book is put together, led by the amazing, incomparable Jen Peseno, is that there are five areas of abundance and they're separated into chunks of chapters.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: And so, Natasha, your chapter falls under freedom.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, my chapter falls under vitality.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the cool thing about that is that you're looking at these different areas of wealth and abundance beyond the money piece of things.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_03: And actually, I think there's there's not a whole lot about money because if if you've done any kind of money mindset work, which I know I'm sure you have, Natasha, I have definitely done in my life, you realize it's so little about cash.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's really so much more um broad than that, and really looking at it from a whole picture.
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  SPEAKER_03: So when Jen came to you and you connected about this project, what were you immediately like, I need to talk about freedom?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what you felt called to speak from?
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's a really interesting starting question.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, Jen and I connected.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: She told me the title of the book, and uh, when I told her what I work with, so I actually work with Money and Manifestation with my clients.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but so that's my passion.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: But my mission on earth, which I wanted to write a book about, and so I decided to start it for form this chapter.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: This was my first step.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I wanted to write about death because that's my mission.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: I want to talk about death easily, often, um, so much so that it becomes an easy day-to-day dinner table conversation.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's my mission.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I started telling her about money and manifestation, and she was really excited, and then I started talking to her about the death piece, then she got even more excited.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, fine, I'm going to actually write about death and abundance.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I really wanted the freedom category, and she didn't really, you know, she had like one space left or something, so I got the last uh bit in freedom.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: But to be fair, we could have put it anywhere.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was debating between spirituality and freedom.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: But then honestly, if I look at the whole concept of wealth quotes and the sacred strategies for abundance, then um death actually is the ultimate, you know, freedom.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: The minute that we actually um accept that we are gonna die, it then reframes our entire existence today, and that gives us access to wealth.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, fine, yeah, it has to be freedom.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so Jen like agreed.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how that happened.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I I think it's such a beautiful thing.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I was part of uh another project, Sacred Death, where we wrote about death and and um it was about really developing some tools for caregivers for for dealing with the loss of a loved one.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then interestingly enough, I did that project.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_03: It came out last summer.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then uh my mom became ill in the fall and into 2022, and I ended up taking care of her until she passed in February.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: And when I came to this project, I really wanted to talk about balancing your vitality by using both your masculine and feminine energies to get stuff done, but still feel really good.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_03: Because I had this experience in my life of just high productivity, pushing myself, being really into my masculine energy.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_03: And not to say that it works very well, but the impact on my body was not so good over time.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, finding that balance.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: And so I came up with an original chapter and then just really felt called instead of writing about what I had written about to talk about my experience with my mom and you know being with her and moving towards, you know, the end of her life, towards her death versus, you know, getting better.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: She had uh leukemia.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: So initially it was okay, let's get healthy from leukemia, let's do all the treatments, and her body was just not ready for that.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and one of the most beautiful moments I had, believe it or not, was in the hospital, and there was a physician, he was just had this ease and light about him.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: And he um was the pain and palliative care doctor.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: And he was young, probably younger than me, maybe in his late 20s, early 30s.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and he sat me down and he said, I really, I really think your mom is showing us that she's ready to transition.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I think if I hadn't had the experience of talking about death before then, I think it would have been so much harder to hear.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: But honestly, it was really confirmation for me that that was the direction we needed to go.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I just found this tremendous like peace and strength in it.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so when I heard that you were writing from the perspective of death, I was just so excited to hear your perspective and then talking to you even more.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I just love that and that idea of becoming free.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so how how did you come up with what you wanted to share in terms of your story for your chapter?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so first of all, I want to say um that I'm really sorry for your loss.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, no matter how much we talk about it and no matter how much we uh are prepared, it's always difficult.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing is that preparation and you know, conversations like this, and then the stuff that uh that we write that you have written in your chapter and I have in mine, um it eases off the whole trauma.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: So we're good when when when bad things happen, like loss or any kind of loss, and okay, let's stick with death, it is a traumatic situation.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: However, the prepare the amount you prepare for it brings the charge of the trauma down.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it's I'm never going to say that it's gonna be easy.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: And no matter how old or how young you are when your parent or someone really close to you, or your pet even, when they pass, it's not it's not gonna be happy just because we're prepared and we understand about death, but the denial of it doesn't help either.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: It just makes it a lot more traumatic, it makes it taboo.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: We're expected to uh behave in certain ways, we're be expected to react in certain ways, and because it's not normal conversation, people feel awkward to prepare their wills in time, to have things organized, to say that you know, if I die, then this is what I'd like, you know, my funeral service to be, I'd like to be buried or cremated or whatever, right?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: And you have your, you know, I want to give this to this person, or you know, all of that stuff.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it really is important that we all do that because when we do go, even if our loved ones are prepared, they will still go through the stages of grief.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we can help them by leaving them with order instead of chaos, at least as far as the practical things are concerned.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: So that is where I come in as a conversation, and I wanted to write about it and talk about it.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I've started and I'm here, I am, and I've been the chapter.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my um goal have uh this became a consolidated goal during the pandemic, to be very honest with you.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Seeing the amount of loss and seeing time and time again how unprepared people were to let go, yeah, how unprepared the people who left were, and it absolutely amazed me.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Intelligent people who I knew, who I respected, people who were um, you know, businessmen, movers, doers, shakers, just left things completely up in the air, and it was a shocker.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like even their businesses, I just I just don't understand.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Is this this whole uh wheel have and so I decided no that this has to stop?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: That was point number one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Point number two, death has been my um constant companion from a very young age.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, like yourself, my mother also died of leukemia.
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  SPEAKER_01: She died when she was 43, and I was only 16.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um after my mother's death, I had um a whole series of losses, and I I would rather not like get into it, I'd rather talk about you know the bigger concept of things, but I've lost people to murder, to terrorism, to um accidents, to sudden cardiac arrest, to long illnesses.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've basically been honored and privileged to have faced all of it, um, including my my grandmother's um easy natural death at the age of 88.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've seen the whole thing, I've seen all the ways in which um the grieving process can differ.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've seen how people move in and out, I've seen how I have processed it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: And the only thing I can say is a lifetime of going through this today when I have loss, it's a much easier transition for me.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: The loss is hard, but the transition is easy if we are prepared and open-minded about it.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: If we trust in the process of life, which is we are born, we're gonna die.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we discuss birthday parties, we discuss the day that we die, also.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: It should be that easy because it is it is that real.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's not anybody's you know imagination, it's not a it's not a question mark, are we going to die?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, we are going to die.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: The only question mark is when, and that is where all this fear and doubt and all of these things come up with in people because we just don't know when.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's so true.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I I think it's you're right, it is such a taboo topic, and you know, like this opportunity exists for us to get into more of a conversation about it.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I think what's really interesting is you know, um, once somebody says hospice, then it's like the door opens for those conversations, you know, but you never know how long you're even getting on hospice, so you can't wait till then to talk about everything, to make plans.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, um, I know for for us as a family, we just had to rely on what we knew of my mom to make the best informed decisions based on who we knew her to be.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: She wasn't able to tell us specifically what she wanted, with the exception of saying she wanted to go home and she didn't want to be in the hospital anymore.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so we were able to honor that, but we had never talked about it before.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and interestingly enough, um I wrote about my mom's journey with cancer, you know, which was about 13 years ago.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, she she went through some significant, like intense treatments for the type of cancer that she had, and um came out the other side of it.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she fought hard.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and the battle was different this time with this cancer.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: This cancer was caused by the treatment she had for the prior cancer, and it just was too much for her body.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I think she ultimately knew that that was the case, and she just wasn't able to talk to us about it.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I think there was just such a knowing among all of us, you know, and once we were able to sort of voice that there was a lot of freedom in that because we could have these really tough conversations that you don't necessarily want to bring up, but you could we could talk about it and talk about what we think would make her last days the best they could be.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like talking, talking is such a natural human way of processing things.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like we need to talk through through everything, and so honestly, logically speaking, why should death be any different?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: We need to be able to talk about it with each other when we're healthy, and so that when the time comes for hospice or um you know death in whatever form it comes, then it it's already been discussed, so then we don't have to do that at that point in time, right?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: So that is basically my mission.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, the whole the whole bit about um loss is that invariably the loss actually affects us rather than the person who's gone.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, your mother was in such peace, she had such knowing because she it was her journey and she she was ready to transition.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I honestly feel by the time they reach anybody reaches that stage, the whole attachment to the physical world, to the material thing becomes so probably insignificant to them that I guess the will and the bits and pieces aren't important anymore.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: But unfortunately for those of us left on this side, we're left with the void, we'll we're left with what's gonna happen to me, and I've lost this person, and I'm gonna miss this person, and we cry we're crying more for ourselves than for them.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, then we have, like I said, the the physical stuff to take care of, you know, the the funeral and afterwards, and all the government bits and pieces, and you know, it's it's it's a lot, it's really a lot.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: So if we can just take care of all some of the bits and pieces from before, it makes that process a little easier.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: We still have to grieve, we'll still have to go all through all sudden stages of grief.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know how long it's gonna take to get over them.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Week, month, years.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, but it can make it that much easier.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I wanna like keep on saying as many times as I can.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: I love it, and I I relate to it and I I agree with you, you know.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that was kind of, you know, I immediately was said to my dad, I'm like, okay, we're setting everything up for you because we can't we can't have you passing and not have a plan and not know everything we need to know.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it made it much harder in some ways, although I think it was almost a relief to not have to always be grieving and to sometimes be in like go mode, you know, like, all right, we need this, we need this, we need to get this this in order, you know, here's who we need to communicate with.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: And you're right, it is a lot.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: There is a lot.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, fortunately, there were some things that my mom left behind that made it easier for us, you know, passwords and accounts and things like that, to even just know where to go and what to look for.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but you know, especially in our digital lives, you know, I started thinking to myself, like my husband and I and the work that we do and all the places we are, it's nobody else has that information other than us as individuals.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, oh, this needs to be so much more transparent for people, so that you know, they know what to do or where to even start.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: The overwhelm is intense.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: This this the point that you brought up about passwords is very, very important.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: So what I've done, I mean, it's not very uh it's not a very secure sort of uh uh option, but I have a little diary and um, you know, it stays with me, and uh, but all my passwords are written in there, and my husband knows that my passwords are there, yeah.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it is, you know, and you we anybody can you can you can put a Word document on your desktop, you can have it, that password protected, and you can share that password with some somebody who's close to your home, somebody who you trust.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yes, in the digital world, that is like so important, so super important.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's it's reminding me.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: I need to make my very extensive list.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if anybody else is like me, but I have a terrible time remembering passwords.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I tell my computer to remember for me because I just can't, I can't keep track anymore.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: Once they started saying, Oh, you can't use the same password here, and you can't use the same password there, and you got to change it frequently.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I am out of ideas.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what to say.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: And what about those ones where they're like, it has to be so many letters long and it has to have a numeric and a capital and a special character?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, I just I just thought of a series of passwords.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now you're gonna make me change it by adding this and adding that.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my, I'm the same as you.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't be worth it.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um like I I good luck.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Good luck to myself.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like the amount of times I'm like, yeah, we're gonna reset that one.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, writing, writing them down.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: You I mean, you could even keep them if you have a lockbox or something like that in in your home.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but we did go to an attorney um to do some estate planning um for my dad, which was a really good experience because I didn't realize how many different pieces of support for our loved ones we need to have when they become incapacitated in some way.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: So financial, medical, um, you know, making a decision in terms of like whether they want to be resuscitated or not.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um and that would not have been like a normal table conversation with my family, but I feel like I wish it had been so that we could have all been like, this is what I mean.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, okay, here's what I want.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: This is like like I do not want to be resuscitated.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: You could use all my organs.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Please don't bury me in the ground.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'd rather be, you know, cremated, spread my ashes, don't spread my ashes.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: Doesn't matter, I'll be gone.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and it it became such a practical decision versus.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like living in the emotions of no longer being here.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know what comes up for me though, and what what I personally struggled with was the incompleteness of like our personal missions in life.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, you know, my mom had her missions and things she was driven to do, the legacy that she wanted to leave, and she didn't get to finish it.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: And there were just I had this feeling of incompleteness.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: She wasn't done, you know, and that I think was one of the hardest things for me to grasp.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: That makes a lot of sense.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, although what I would say is that your mother the one thing that ha that I I spent many years is going reaching the point where I can say this, but it wasn't initially it wasn't like that at the beginning.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: So the beginning, my mother had a had a battle, I've written about it in in the chapter in her relationship with my father.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so I spent my first part of the grieving process um standing up for her, like fighting with my father as her advocate, right?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Even though she was gone.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then it took me many, many, many years to finally accept that my mother was her own person and she had her own life and she had her trajectory and she made her own choices.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: When I started thinking of her as a separate adult, not just as my mother, and then I reached a place of ease where I could separate myself from her and leave her decisions to her, and I make mine, and my relationship with my father and her relationship with her husband are separate.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: So from your point of view, um, as your mother's daughter, your feeling of incompleteness is on her behalf, that her journey, according to you, is incomplete.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: But like I said, you'll find, I mean, once once they've crossed over, they've crossed over, we can't verify.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I really feel that when I see, like if I think about my grandmother, right?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: When I see the way that she the way that she transitioned, then a lot of things no longer hold I could tell no longer held and and any importance for her.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like literally, I felt her, like since she didn't have a long illness and uh she didn't suffer from that, it was just old age, and you know, obviously the organs failing one at a time and stuff.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I could literally see her face easing into a sort of youthfulness, like the lines sort of like um merging, she had like a really innocent, like childlike smile on her face.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what she was looking at, I don't know what was happening, but I could see a sense of peace, contentment, and joy around her that gives me faith to believe that the person who's on the journey, we just have no idea.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we have to process our part of it, right?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: So as far as as far as the conversation is, it is there's two things.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: One is when we lose a loved one, how we are prepared, how we grieve, and how we deal with their bits and pieces, if we're left with instructions or not.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one part that we've discussed.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: The second part is to consider our own death.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, you you you've said your to-do list, and you so you know, I'm not actually not surprised, but your my list is exactly the same.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um it doesn't surprise me.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: So when we consider our own death, actually, it is pretty, it is pretty like you know, simple.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's only when we so when we think about the others, and so therefore I think there's a whole lot of projection involved there.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I just invite you to possibly consider that, you know, each of us are souls who have come to this earth with a mission.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know that we have a purpose, you know that.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we think a certain thing has a purpose, and then we realize, uh, actually, no, maybe we need to pivot a little bit, right?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't actually probably ever know which is the core mission unless we're very, very lucky.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's always figure figuring things out, and I think to have faith that your mother's soul incarnated on earth, for all you know, her purpose was to birth you.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you don't I mean, it could that could be one of them.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: You we don't know what was the you know, like the ultimate purpose, and then there's always like subheadings under this.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like on this note, I'll take a circle.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought of a of a thing I haven't thought in many, many years.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I got my uh universal download from the universe at about 15.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like suddenly something opened and I had all this knowledge.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: The stuff that I talk about today, I actually and I write about and I practice at my uh in my professional life.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I actually had all the information at 15.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: So for most of my life, it won't surprise you, I had no idea what to do with this because you know, so I just went chasing certificate after certificate for the validation.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, that's a different story.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: What I basically wanna uh uh wanted uh uh say was that I realized at the age of 15 that we all had a purpose, right?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: And people didn't talk about it, it wasn't written about, I don't know where I understood this from, and then I came up with this conclusion that if I fulfill my purpose, I'm going to die the next day.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I because I was a child, right?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I was processing all of this wisdom and not doing very well, I guess.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so I for a very long time didn't dig into my gifts.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: This was one of the reasons.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: If I find out my mission, then I'm going to fulfill it and then I'm gonna die, and I don't want to die.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's only later that I figured that it's not it's not necessarily one purpose, it's like maybe, like maybe the the purpose is the chapter heading, but then there's a there's a subtitle, then there's the chapter number, then the statual content, then this bullet point.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: So this, you know, it's never it's never over.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: The same way that learning and growth, you and I being on our self-awareness journeys.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we are experts right now in what we know right now.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Tomorrow is gonna expand and grow.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna evolve and the next day, and the next day, till the day we die.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I really believe, Kelly, that we're never gonna be done.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that helps a little bit to shift your perspective.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: It definitely does, and I think that's incredible, you know, to know at 15 to kind of feel that, you know, and and so interestingly, like looking at your timeline, and then you're 16 and you lose your mom, you know, that's just very it's like fascinating timing.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's when I get really curious, and I'm like, hmm, is this universal design?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: Is this preparation?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, interesting.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: So actually, in the chapter I read about my grandfather's death first before I talk about my mother.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: So my grandfather died when I was 14.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: As soon as he died, my mother became sick.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then she died at 16.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: So if we look at 14 and 16, then at 15 this happened.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: And this is a recent discovery.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that I, you know, it's really recent, in fact.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: It might even be between our our two phone calls, uh, yours and mine.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that I had awareness that, oh yeah, that happened.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I over the last week, entire week, I've had a really bad headache, and I've been trying to understand why my head's hurting.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so I did the whole metaphysical and I've been going through, you know, what stress and what is it, and I've been doing a lot of analysis, and suddenly I recalled that when I was 15, I was kneeling on the ground one day, um helping uh my uncle trim his beard.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I was kneeling and suddenly everything went black, and I won't say I fainted, like I was still on my knees, but everything went black and woozy, and I sort of like couldn't see anything, and then I sort of I I guess crumpled.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and my father got really, really worried, and he actually sent me for uh for a CT scan of my brain.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, uh sent me off to a very fancy hospital with some friends and stuff like that to get like with his friends who he trusted, and um they found nothing wrong with me, and I never had an incident like that again.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then I suddenly realized that was that where the download started from?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because it sort of makes sense.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I just sort of put two and two together recently.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I had the understanding when my mother died that she didn't die of cancer, but she died of a broken heart.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was so convinced of that at 16.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: I've been saying it ever since.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: And friends of mine who've been around from that age can verify this.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so this core understanding, like way before the Louise Hayes story, I had, and not from personal experience of a near-death, but just I just have this intuitive knowledge that of the whole metaphysical, you know, mind-body-soul connection of physical diseases.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, like I said, spending a lifetime experiencing it all, seeing it all, um, sort of exploring all these different avenues.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: I've realized how they all tie into the same tapestry, into the same wheelhouse, whether we talk about money in manifestation, whether we talk about death, whether we talk about um, you know, physical diseases.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: It all sort of comes together to represent vitality, to represent the uh freedom, and ultimately to represent abundance.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it is so so so simple, actually.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: The the the and it and every philosopher, every saint, every prophet has said the same thing.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: It basically boils down to gratitude, it boils down to mindfulness, it boils down to being really happy in the moment, like how you and I are really enjoying this conversation.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And right now, this that this is all that matters.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what's in our bank account, what card do we have?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: None of it is relevant at this moment in time.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's just sitting here and having this really joyful conversation, this really deep conversation and resonating and connecting is so is such abundance and wealth.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm I I'm completely full right now.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Same ditto.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: Everything you just said.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I think that, and that's it.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's you can put your finger on the pulse of that.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: That that is really to me, that is abundance to be existing in gratitude, to be in a position of enjoying the present moment, whatever it is, you know, this morning, sitting on my deck and drinking my coffee and feeling the fresh air and smelling it, and just being infused in the experience of being a spirit in a human body, enjoying the human experience and that ability to connect with other people and to share in like sort of stepping outside of the beauty of life, you know, and appreciating that it is only here ever in the present moment.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: It isn't anywhere else, it is here, and being rooted in gratitude, I think it's so funny because I was thinking to myself this morning, I was like, I just feel so grateful.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just in such a state of gratitude to be able to do this.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, in in a time when so many people have, as you said, you know, have suffered loss, have had experiences in the past couple of years because of COVID and lockdown and the financial and and health implications, have had the worst couple years of their lives.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: And for me, I haven't had that experience.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: And not to say that there wasn't experiences of loss and and suffering and pain, but ultimately I've realized, recognized the freedom piece of abundance, freedom to spend my time the way I choose to.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: And for me, that's a huge piece that that getting to do the things that light me up is a huge piece of freedom.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: It has no connection to finances, except maybe from the perspective of having the financial freedom that you know I have a full-time job and I can spend my weekends the way I choose to.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's really I I so I I second that notion of this is just this is the beauty of life itself.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: For me personally, uh, what has been completely freeing is the fact that I um I so the way that I do practical things in my life is through the manifestation process.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: So manifest so money for me is so it's money and manifestation, it's not only uh the money piece.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like you correctly said, money is just the means to getting whatever we need to get.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say, for example, I need to, you know, the the bills need to be paid and certain amount of money has to be manifested, so that's what gets manifested, right?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not the money per se that's getting manifested.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: It is, but it isn't, if that makes any sense.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: And as far as as far as I as far as my uh thing is concerned, that A, like you said, because of the lockdown, my perspective towards material things has changed anyway, right?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that we lived literally in our household slippers wearing like you know the same seven sets of like just household clothes day in, day out.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what are all these clothes in my wardrobe?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, when am I ever gonna wear them?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: So then it's just it's just that this it just seems so much.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: It just seems so wasteful.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: It seems so um, I I remember then the olden days, right?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: When someone had only one good dress that they would wear to Sunday, they would wear to church on Sunday and uh weddings and funerals, right?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then you know that was it.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: They only had the one dress and they would maybe change the lace collar or the cuffs, and that's about it, right?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, who had like hundreds?
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: We all have hundreds of items of clothing.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: It is ridiculous.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: It actually is ridiculous.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: And when I under like, you know, Steve Jobs would wear his uniform, I'm starting to understand that concept, right?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, uh, this isn't about the whole minimalism thing, it's it's more about like let's say I today have to uh buy something, right?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I find myself invariably asking myself if I really need it or not.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, um when when when I start thinking about putting all my affairs into order, right?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: If I think about all my jewelry, who I'm gifting what to, today I no longer think about buying another piece of jewelry.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: It really has ceased to.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what is the point?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm gonna buy that jewelry, I'm gonna wear it for a few days, and I'm gonna give it to somebody else.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so now, more and more, I no longer wanna want to own anything material.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I'm not saying that I'm going for a minimalistic spot in living, it's making the most of what I already have.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: And if I want to upgrade that, I will.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: If I want to go and buy some jewelry tomorrow, I will.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: But it's what I feel like doing to enjoy being a spirit in this human body, to actually in you know, to have the five senses engaged, to have a good experience.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: If I can fly first class, stay in a five-star hotel and have the most amazing, relaxing weekend, I'd rather do that than buy the diamonds.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's my choice.
• 40:28
  unknown: Yeah.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that because and that that perspective comes when we start enjoying life today and we think about the tomorrow.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: I think it it's such a it's such a gorgeous way to live.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm very much in a similar journey of like, I just I don't, I don't even want what I already have.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: I've been in this constant, like, all right, what else can we get rid of?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, it baffles my mind that I can still fill, you know, 16 bags of things to donate.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't feel like there's anything less in my house.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I realize how much, you know, like this materialism and accumulation of things was just part of like my societal personal conditioning to accumulate.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: And now I'm sort of like, how do I de-accumulate?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Just to like get rid of everything.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: And there's and you know, there's something really beautiful and special about the simplicity of the things that you have and you just love them so much, you know, like like you talking about jewelry.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: I have earrings that I tend to gravitate towards because I like them so much.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: And they become like they're just something that makes me feel good to wear them, but then I have others that are just I have no resonance with them.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you have a jewelry box full of so many different choices, but the end is probably three or four that we, you know, would ever choose to wear, including on a special occasion.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's very odd.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: So then that and that's exactly what I've gone through.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it got me thinking that why don't I just keep these four now and give away the things that I wouldn't I was anyway gonna give away when I'm no longer around?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like why don't why don't those people get to enjoy that stuff for longer if if it serves them?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, yeah.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I I mean you know, you think about it, tomorrow we're gone, all of this stuff, all of this stuff stays back.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So how does it really even matter?
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then why do I need to add more things on?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: That that's what gave me the the freedom, and that's where I honestly believe is where abundance comes in.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because today you can sit and you can actually, once you, once you re-prioritize yourself, if you think you're gonna live for forever, you don't consider that you are gonna die, then yes, Kelly, that's when we accumulate because we have, oh, we're gonna enjoy tomorrow, and then this is gonna happen, and this is gonna happen, and so we get this, and oh, this for the rainy day, and oh, let's get let's keep this in the loft and keep this in the garage, because you know, it's only when we realize that hey, you know, it's it's all gonna say we're gonna be gone.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to give, you know, you go to somebody's house and you go, Oh, this is beautiful, can I have it?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, no one's gonna just give you things.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: You can if you come to my house.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: When they're gonna go take the lamp and she can't say anything about it, you know.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, I love that.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's hysterical.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, literally, if somebody comes to my house and they like something, I'm probably sending them home with it.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: Me too.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: I have so, you know, I have so little attachment to things, and the things to which I have an attachment is often because of the person that it reminds me of.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like I and and that got me into trouble a lot of my life because I somebody would give me something, and it's so funny, and I'm just throwing my sister under the bus, but my sister's completely different, and she's very good at getting rid of things and and living with sparseness.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: She's just naturally gifted in that.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: To me, I had to put a lot of effort and work into learning it.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_03: But like I would get a gift from someone, and even if it didn't fit perfectly or didn't go with things that I had aesthetically, because of the intention of the gift from the person, I would keep it and keep it a very long time.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_03: My sister can get a gift and be like, this doesn't suit me.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: So um I I'm gonna return it.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have the receipt?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just like to me, and it's and it, and it's not in like a snooty or rude way.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's just like she has a much easier way, maybe because human design, she's she's a generator, she has sacral authority, so she's got that uh-huh, uh-uh, like super down.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I have emotional authority, so makes sense that I would be like, oh, but it was from so-and-so, and they gifted it to me on my 16th.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: I literally, I mean, I I have this ability to remember, can't remember dates and times and places, but I can remember who gave me what when and you know what was going on, and there's this whole delicious story that goes along with the item.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: I probably just need to take pictures of things and write the story and get rid of the thing.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's probably like what I need to do.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's uncanny how similar we are.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can do the same.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd just like to add another layer to that.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's not, it's not just when people give us things, it's even if we have something of our own that we might might have bought, but there's something sentimental behind that.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I bought this photo frame when, you know, and there's a whole story behind that, right?
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's so true.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's uh it's a gift and a sickness.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like because uh, you know, I have I have Things that are just like very challenging to release.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: But as you say, then I think about you know, and and having gone through losing my mom, like all of the things that she left behind that suddenly have very little meaning, you know, that that are just things and have nothing to do with who she was as a person.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um and feeling like, you know, how do we then honor her, but also not continue to be burdened by having all of these things?
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: Because if we just continuously accumulate the things that people leave when they pass, then it's sort of like we're just in rooms filled with stuff that just doesn't feel like an authentic and free life.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_03: It feels very stifling.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_03: And and I have been at that point.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: I have been in that.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's not practical either.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like we can't constantly be cutting around stuff our own or others.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, that is where the where the freedom comes in.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not, I'm not trying to say that stuff is not important.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to say that you be we shouldn't buy the best sheets and enjoy them, or you know, we should, you know, I think it's come down to very uh simply that I'd rather have a few things but of the best quality than you know, a house full of junk.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, that's where I come to with the with the whole um balancing death.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: So then if I am leaving whatever I'm leaving behind is few, valuable, which people whoever inherits it will then enjoy that.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, if if at all.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, like you know, um, I mean, how does it really even matter in the long run, right?
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and even even when people talk about you know the work that they're choosing to do and the legacy I'm going to leave.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, how does that matter?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: So, according to me, being joyful, being grateful, enjoying being human, being that'll immediately make you a good person.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: If that's what you're immersed in, you're not gonna be going and doing bad to others because that then you can't be, you know, in that uh feeling of joy and gratitude.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: So if we do that and we live our life with that intention and we are not attached to things, so we are not harming people over things or property, and then we are happy to release when our time is to move on.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: The whole of life then makes so much sense.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like all of this drama, trauma, fear, and insecurities just seem to drop away, and then I'm left with a very, very simple feeling.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm left with a feeling of ironically, this very intense, expanded passion.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: You would think just if just if my words alone, you think I'm left like feeling very like, you know, la la, but it's not true.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: The whole my whole body is like fired up with this joy of being alive and you know, uh unencumbered by the whole um aspirational thing of stuff, or feeling in lack because I don't have XYZ or Mr.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Jones has it, and I don't have it.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: It it I somehow it just frees me from that.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: I honestly can't explain it um how that happens, but that is what happens.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: The minute you re-prioritize what's important to you, knowing you can't take things with you, things change and they shift to different people differently.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: But a shift will happen for sure.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, agree.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_03: I totally agree.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that that has been huge for me, and and that ability to get into present moment awareness at any moment in time, you know, and feel that joy and timelessness.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that is time freedom, it's it's abundance, it's all of that.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: It if you do no other practice, being in present moment awareness will get you so far in life.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you can be anywhere.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: You can be doing anything, and you can sit and feel, and I I agree with you.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's a vitality, it's a fire.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's like, okay, here I am now.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: What am I gonna do with this one great life?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, here I am.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: I have this passion, this purpose, a mission.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and the rest can just fall away, and I can just be so laser focused on what it is that is going to bring me the highest state of joy, you know, like Jen says, ecstatic living, like being right, being in that like ecstasy of life in all avenues.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: So present moment awareness when I'm eating a delicious meal, even if it's just a piece of toast and tea, but delighting in it, present moment awareness when we're with our loved ones and giving them our full, you know, undivided attention and enjoying being together and present moment awareness when we're in nature and just in awe in the beauty of where we find ourselves.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think these are the things that I get fired up and passionate and excited about that that is available to me all the time, you know.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I I mentioned the legacy that people, you know, they they they visualize leaving, and it somehow when you think about it, the legacy word is just so grandiose.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it means something big and powerful.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: But imagine the legacy that you leave, that she was happy, she lived an ecstatic, an ecstatic life.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: What is a bigger legacy than that?
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how does anything else matter?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you're right.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: She was a good person, she was a happy person, she lived a full life.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, wow! Like just hallelujah to that.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's just like you know, bring it out for me, man.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's yeah, and I I think it's also that element of choice.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like you can choose to be free wherever you are, you know.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and we can look to people in history who, despite their circumstances, believed in their freedom, you know.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think of like Nelson Mandela, you know, and people like that who were not, by all intents and purposes, free, but a belief that they are free and they have impact and just that like soul level understanding, and then doing what you can with the life that you have and the people that you touch, you know, whether it's virtually or in person, you know, being able to leave something positive because you got into the present moment and found joy there.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much truth to be found in that present moment, there's so much um understanding of who you are, and that empowerment is just, I guess it's difficult to bring into words.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is because you and I understand it, we can, you know, we can discuss it, but unless a person actually takes that deep dive themselves, and of course the experience is unique to each person, right?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, one of the things that I find uh the tools that I used to use in the initial days before it became a normal practice was to look for the to listen for the silence.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: So even if in this conversation, um in between the words that I'm speaking and in between the words that you are speaking, there is a silence.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: And to focus on the silence instead of the words, so gap between the words, then as you become aware of that gap, it it's like magic, whether the listeners believe or not, but it is like magic.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: The minute you pay attention to that silence, that silence sort of expands and it becomes this whole universe, just this one silence at a time.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: It really, really is magical.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Really magical.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I think, you know, to go back to the concept of minimalism, I think what's really happening is the space between things.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_03: The you know, and it when I talk about helping people with their sleep, which is something that I do, you know, having your bedroom environment be sparse because the space between things allows the energy to flow better and for you to sleep better because it's this expansiveness, like you said, in that present moment to literally give yourself space.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_03: And when we clutter it with mind clutter or actual clutter, that impacts our ability to feel good and to sleep well and to enjoy our lives.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's so interesting because but if the minute that you say that, then I wonder, but that makes so much sense, so much intuitive sense.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: So then I wonder why people, you know, our bedrooms are like really busy generally, unless you know, people have the huge, big master bedrooms with the walk-in closet.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: But aside from that, we'll have the bed, we'll have the bedside tables, we'll have the lamps, we'll have the closet, we'll have the dressing table, and all the clutter on the dressing table.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a lot going on.
• 55:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, according to you, there should be a different room for that stuff in the bedroom, should only be the bed.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I think that makes a huge difference because it you need it to be a respite.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_03: So the clear space, I I don't have much on my dresser.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_03: I think I have maybe a couple pictures and a lamp, you know.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_03: But um, in the past, I would just drop everything from my pockets, you know, glasses, things just all strewn on there, and it just creates chaos in your environment.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't allow the energy to flow when you're sleeping so that it feels soothing and relaxing.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_03: And it goes beyond like what you can see.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm I'm like a big proponent of don't bring those unfinished projects and unfinished baskets of laundry and let them live in your bedroom because it's disrupting your sleep.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_03: Instead, keep that someplace else, you know.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_03: Reserve your bedroom to be a sacred sleep space so that you feel, you know, very calm and relaxed.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's inviting, you know, and then you can pick all the things that you want.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like, think when you go to a hotel, you don't go into a hotel and it's cluttered.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's sparse.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_03: Everything is purposefully placed, it feels a certain way and it gives you this sense of relaxation in a certain way.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it does.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: I never made that connection before.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like for me, it's very interesting you're saying this.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I guess conditioning, right?
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: So um when you say that your bedroom is your sanctuary, sanctuary, your respite, and then I think people uh tend to then think of it as a nest, and then they want to just sort of cozy themselves up by I guess surrounding themselves with things because that that's what we're conditioned to do, right?
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: And but that actually is counterintuitive, especially hearing you say this, and especially when we did the comparison with the hotel room.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that made like absolute sense.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, wow.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I really like that.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: I really like that idea.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I that's something that we put into practice in in my house once we were locked down and we couldn't leave our houses, and we had to do school, we had to do work, and I was like, you know, not sleeping enough, just like the stress of trying to accomplish all this stuff, and I was like, uh-uh, bedroom needs to be a respite.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I made like a yoga corner and like it just became a full respite, and I just took everything out and just let it be a very sparse and relaxing space.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: There's not a lot of stuff on the floor, and then even your drawers and under your bed and your closet and how it's organized and how complete is the space.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_03: So, like if you have a bunch of clothes in your closet that are cluttering it up and that you don't wear, you want to get rid of those because you're always gonna have this feeling of ugly I have to get rid of some stuff, you know, and you don't want to be thinking that you want to get into your bedroom and be like, oh, this is just the perfect place to be.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_03: Spend, you know, a third of our life in bed sleeping, you know, if we're doing it well.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm doing it well.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what you said earlier in the conversation about you know, decluttering, and then you've taken 16 bags of things and you still feel like nothing's gone.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: So after the lockdown, I was, you know, just like just I think disgusted is the right word with my wardrobe and the amount of clothes.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I just thought that I was so uh ruthless.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: I attacked my closet and I took out a whole bunch and I gave it away to charity, and then I oh look at my cupboard and it's as full.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't get it.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just don't get it.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: I you know when you go to shopping for things, um, yeah, you know it just seemed, I don't know, I don't understand.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_03: Quite honestly, I think a lot of it is how unconsciously we had these practices, you know, in terms of shopping and bringing things into the home and like kind of attached the feeling of abundance to abundant in things.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like I have a cupboard full of beautiful dishes, I have a closet full of beautiful clothes.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_03: And that used to be like where I put my attachment of like this this is the sign that I'm doing really well.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_03: And now I'm sort of like, no, actually, the sign that I'm doing really well is that it's just down to exactly what I need, you know, and I'm like, I I could do this better.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_03: I could do this, I could get rid of more.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, now we're into like the phase of I have an eight-year-old and we have all these toys.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like getting rid of the toys is a whole other piece of the puzzle because it's not my personal stuff, it's somebody else's.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_03: But but anyway, I think I think what I've recognized is that now I'm such a much more conscious consumer.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_03: So like consumerism was just something that I subscribe to.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's sort of conscious consumerism.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_03: So it's not just about like my own environment and how it feels to me, but what am I contributing to when I do spend my hard-earned dollars?
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know, when I do use money, like where am I spending that money in terms of who am I supporting?
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, am I supporting my community?
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, I really prefer, although I do use quite a bit of Amazon because of the convenience factor and the ease.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: But when it comes to purchasing gifts for people, I much prefer to go shopping in my own town to like the mom and pop shops that are here to purchase a very special thing that is supporting a small business in my community, you know, versus purchasing a gift on Amazon that could be coming from anywhere, you know.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_03: So I I think it's just made me think a lot more in terms of where I'm spending my money and who am I supporting when I'm spending it.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_03: And not to say that I have it down perfectly because it's it's a very challenging process in the sense that what you have available to you, you know, might not allow for that all the time.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I kind of encourage people if you're kind of getting into this more, you know, ecological view, thinking about the planet in general, thinking about like how much we're using things.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_03: And like you said, we go, the end, end game, we we pass away, and it all stays.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like, how how much do I really want to accumulate and consume?
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_03: And what is the implication of that?
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that's sort of like getting to like a whole other level of thinking about legacy.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it's not the things that I've done, but like how little impact I've made on the environment.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, yes.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: That yeah, that that is really a big one right now.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it should have been all along, it hasn't been, but at least people are becoming aware of it now.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, as long as everyone does their little bit, then you know, it takes a drop of a drop of water makes an ocean at a time.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, for example, um what what what I just did last week was I have to go to a friend's wedding next month, and um I looked up my closet and I have a couple of like nice outfits to wear, but there are some multiple functions, multiple, and I, you know, I was like, first of all, to dress up, I don't enjoy it anymore.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just it just feels like a task and a half, but anyway, so I went through my uh my wardrobe and went, okay, I have these options, but I need several more.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: And Kelly, I swear to you, there's not a single part of me that felt motivated to go out shopping, to find something, to buy it, or what, or to even consider.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I have called up two of my friends and I've said, let me, you know, I have to go to these uh places, let me know if you can, you know, help me with my wardrobe.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: And uh they were like, Yeah, sure, you know, you should wear this.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: So and they've come up with ideas and creative ideas of what I could wear, and then giving me stuff from their closet, and you know, it's making me very happy because I can I can wear my friend's clothes to this other friend's place, they don't even know each other, so no one's gonna feel, oh, you wore this one if anyone cares.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: But you know how it is with girls, yeah.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, I'll wear her dress here and then I'll return it to her.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm done.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: My closet hasn't added one.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've looked pretty, felt pretty, been, you know, the right look for the right event, and you know, I'm sorted.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I find so much, again, so much freedom in that.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, really it like you were saying earlier when you talked about choice.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: So really it is our choice.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: If we borrow something from somebody, what are our conditioned values around borrowing?
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make us feel that we're in lack?
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make us feel that we're impoverished, that it's a hand-me-down?
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I shouldn't wear, you know, there's so much behind that, right?
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: So if I just choose to say, okay, I'm so lucky that I have a friend with a closet full of beautiful things that she's allowing me to wear, and then I wear it with joy and gratitude, and then I go out feeling oh pretty, and then I return it to her, and I feel that everything's complete.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm just you know, I it's win-win.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_03: It really is.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_03: And for me, like you're just making me think, like, you know, I work at my job, there's a lot of therapists that I work with, PTs and OTs, and there's about 40 of us, like kind of in our our like corral with all our desks and everything.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_03: And so when people have events and things, I there's nothing I love more than somebody saying, Oh my gosh, I have this event to go to.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_03: Does anybody have a dress I could borrow?
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_03: I will literally empty my closet and bring everything I have.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, here.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_03: I for me, the fact that somebody's wearing it, because to be honest, it's been a long time since I've been to some sort of event that I needed a dressy dress for.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, I, you know, my shape and size hasn't changed much in the past couple decades.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_03: So if I have really nice things, I just keep them.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I and I did get rid of some, but I have some and I look forward to the opportunity to wear them again.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I sort of, I it's that mindset shift too.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like I sort of am in this mindset of like, how amazing and beautiful is it that I have so much abundance that I'm willing to share it with people and and pass it on.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, just that sense of like, how fun is that?
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like you said, to to rest in the gratitude of I have these great friends who open their closets to me.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_03: I have these events to go to.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't have to be about, you know, financial abundance in the sense that I have the money to spend to go buy myself a new dress, but that I have this abundance and friendship, and you know, my friends are doing well and I'm doing well.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_03: And so I get to borrow something from them and enjoy something that's beautiful and meaningful to them.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_03: And you're right, it is such a win-win.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's amazing.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_01: It really does come down to a uh a choice and um how how much a person has how far along the person is on their self-awareness journey, because there's a lot of conditioning attached to this.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like you and I can find it that in that intuitive sense in this, but um it like I said, if you're conditioned to like okay, I guess it's this way.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you have if you can afford to buy it, but you choose to borrow instead of buying, is a different kettle of fish than not having the money and then borrowing.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think the abundance comes from there.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_01: So no matter you know, you have that choice, otherwise, you have that feeling of you know being on the back foot and then borrowing because you can't afford the new dress, right?
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: So that's not what we're talking about, right?
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just to clarify that for uh for the viewers, and ultimately, you know, money is all about self worth.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: Any Decision, any uh thoughts that we have around money all reflect our sense of self-worth.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas the whole um you know wealth wheelhouse is in gratitude.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it it's irrelevant how much money you have in the bank to feel wealthy.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: You can be, you know, a relative, well, like a perceivably a poor person living in a village with just the one set of clothes and barely enough to eat.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: But if they're joyful and they're running around and they're having a good night's sleep and they're happy, then who's to say that they're not wealthy?
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: If they're happy, if you ask them, Are you happy?
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: They most probably will say that they're happy because they've made the most of what they have.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: They they allocate their resources accordingly and maximize it.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: And that is what wealth is about.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_01: So at any point in time, anybody of any economic category can consider themselves wealthy if they choose to.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: Having the money and the bank balance depend uh reflects on what they what they feel about themselves.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole self-worth.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that's huge.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, which is why, just to complete my sentence, is that the beauty of the end game is exactly that.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: The minute that you consider that it is finite, then for you to start actually elevating your sense of self-worth becomes so much easier because it's a set time frame.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's only when you think, oh my god, it's forever.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: Who am I?
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: What do I stand for?
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: How have I been conditioned?
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: What do I believe my life now to be?
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: What is my future going to be like that?
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's all these bits and pieces that this the s the sliding scale becomes so easy to go zub zip up, down this way, that way, and keep you up.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that whereas when you know it's finite, then you know you have to deal with only this much, and your value that you have to contribute to the world, what we were talking about before about our our our purpose of existence, then you can elevate and mindfulness the present moment, then you elevate the fact that oh my god, I am worth so much.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: My life, my incarnation is worth so much.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_01: So then self-worth goes up.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: The minute self-worth goes up, there'll be money.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: The minute there's money, they'll uh you know, you can buy the things that bring you happiness, and then you can be grateful about it, and so then you're the wealthiest person in the world.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_03: That I love it.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_03: I love that you took us step by step.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_03: This is exactly what you do, and you've got it.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_03: So, oh my gosh.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm so I'm so excited for this book to come out.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh, Natasha and I are only two of a total of 25 authors who have written and shared their stories and um their strategies for bringing abundance into your life.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm looking forward to kind of taking it from beginning to end and utilizing each of these tools myself as an author in the book to really fine-tune the areas of in my life that could use a little bit of uh an abundance tune-up, you know, and um I think there's so much to be said for you know what you were saying in in terms of your mindset and your belief system for yourself.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, that, you know, wealthy can look a lot of different ways, and it it it's irregardless of the money.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that self-worth piece is huge.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, you know, I'm sure that's a lot of the work that you're helping people with um when they're working on their their money challenges.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the money story.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: But what you said that yes, oh wealth codes, sacred strategies for abundance, our book, is it is uh the book itself is a wealth, it's a treasure trove of information.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: When you read each author's story, the vulnerability with which they've shown up so that readers can resonate with their stories, and then getting these invaluable tools and strategies at the end of each chapter is just it could it's going to be life-changing for so many people.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really powerful book, and I'm not just saying that because I'm in it and you're in it, but really honestly, when you look at it as a whole and and the the it's just on fire, and Jen, like you said, with her with her perspective, the way she's just woven the whole thing together.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had goosebumps when I read when I read the beginning of the uh the intro to the book, like even before Jen's chapter, the bit she's written, I was like, whoa, this is the stuff, and then it just got more and more powerful the entire way through.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, I really recommend that everyone pick it up.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_01: It is it is a wealth of information for a wealthy life.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's a do not miss for sure.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm I'm this and and you know what?
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's also something like pick up a copy for yourself and pick up a copy for a friend who you know can use it.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think this is a great book to be used in a book club and to sort of have accountability partners for starting to build this.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's something I'm I'm gonna be doing in my own um community, my my Facebook group, kind of uh setting this opportunity for people to kind of come through the chapters and share some of their particular learnings of it, because I think abundance in life is so important.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I think this is just giving us a chance to, like you said, to hear people's vulnerable stories, and people are quite vulnerable in what they're talking about.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I think because of that, sort of gives you this chance to feel somebody else's experience and and let it resonate with you and understand, you know, and and some of them are heartwarming and some of them are sad, but they're all giving you this place of power and and capability in yourself to get this book, go through each chapter, and really change your life and be the one who is able to initiate for that for yourself.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna put the the link to purchase the book in the show notes.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's available on Amazon.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um and uh every way that you can connect with Natasha, because I I highly recommend getting into her world.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_03: It has been an honor and a privilege um to be able to talk with you today.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_03: And um, I said to Natasha when we had our first conversation, one, we were sad that we didn't record it because it was a really good conversation.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_03: So unfortunately, it just lives in our collective memory between Natasha and I.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_03: But um, I really would love to have you come back on the show um and pick up another topic because I I'm just enjoying so much your perspective and your concepts and the way that you're choosing to live and not work in your life as a projector.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Natasha does not work.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_03: She she does purpose-driven activities, but she will not call it work.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I love that about you.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_03: So um, thank you so much for being here.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have a final thought you'd like to leave the listeners and viewers with?
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for having me.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I do uh look forward to coming back.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I really do enjoy talking to you.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_01: And next time we shall not have a pre-conversation, we'll just like jump right in.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just jump in and just have fun with it.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like um at the beginning of this conversation, I was I was a bit hesitant because I was like, I don't want to talk about stuff that we've already spoken about on the call.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I got like a little confused, and then you know, thanks to the vibe you and I share, I like got into the whole flow and I've had like a really, really good conversation.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, would love for anyone to give any feedback if they want us to talk about stuff.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to come back and talk about human design, you know.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_00: We could like um do that.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, otherwise, um, I'll be part of another book soon, which we'll talk about later.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, come on to the podcast and discuss that.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Please, absolutely options.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_03: I definitely 100%.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_03: I will, I'm always down for geeking out on human design.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we can definitely do that.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I do want you to come back and talk about the other project that you're gonna be working on, because that one is also going to be magnificent.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_03: All right, everybody.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for listening to the end of the episode, and we appreciate you.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um, be sure to like and share and get that book because we all deserve abundance.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_03: And remember, everybody, stay curious.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_03: Bye now.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.