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Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 6) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Glene Maxwell grand jury
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  documents from twenty twenty. Question. During the years that redacted
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  was in contact with Maxwell and Epstein, did you remember
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  whether Maxwell would ever ask her if she knew any
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  other girls who could massage Epstein? Answer yes. Question does
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  she remember Maxwell saying in some substance, do you know
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  anyone who can give him a blowjob? Today? I don't
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  feel like it. Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell
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  saying when she asked her to bring other girls that
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  they have to look young at least answer yes. Question
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  from your conversations with redacted? Did she tell you whether
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  or not she ever brought any other girls? Answer redacted
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  didn't bring any girls. Question did she tell you why not?
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  Answer she didn't want anyone else to go through that
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  question from your interviews with redacted? Did she tell you
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  that there came a time when she was in her
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  early twenties when she stopped traveling with Maxwell and Epstein?
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  Answer yes. Question was she suffering from substance abuse at
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  that point? Answer yes, she was. Question did she tell
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  you that she got sober in her twenties. Answer yes,
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  she did. Question what's her current profession answer she runs
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  a nonprofit for people who struggle with addiction and trauma.
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  Question did he redacted provide you with several emails that
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  she exchanged with Epstein in the early two thousands? Answer
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  yes she did. Question and were those emails very friendly
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  in tone? Answer? Yes they were. Question what did she
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  say to you when you talked with her about those emails?
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  Answer she said she didn't at the time want to
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  acknowledge what was going on with her that looking back
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  on it's different. Question did your squad at the FBI
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  execute a search warrant at Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan
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  in July of twenty nineteen? Answer yes. Question did you
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  personally participate in the search of Epstein's resident Yes? Answer
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  yes I did. Question did the townhouse include a massage room?
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  Answer yes. Question have you yourself been in the massage room?
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  Answer yes, I have. Question could you please describe for
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  the grand jury what that massage room looked like? Answer?
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  It was dark. It had dark draperies covering the windows.
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  There was a massage table, there were oils, There was
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  a handheld massager in there, along with handcuffs, a whip,
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  and along the walls there were nude photographs of young females.
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  Question I believe you testified a moment ago that redacted
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  told you that there was a time where Maxwell had
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  asked her to wear a schoolgirl outfit for Epstein when
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  they were in Palm Beach. Did you find a schoolgirl
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  outfit in Epstein's New York townhouse? Answer yes, we did.
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  Question where did you find it? Answer? It was found
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  in a room next to the massage room. Question and
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  to be clear, did the FBI find sex toys during
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  the search? Answer yes? Question what was found? Answer? Butt plugs,
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  dildo vibrators. Question We've talked about three minor girls today
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  redacted and redacted? Is that right? Answer yes? Question have
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  you reviewed the proposed indictment Mark Grand Jerry Exhibit seventeen.
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  Answer yes, I have. Question is redacted. The individual referred
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  to as victim one in the proposed indictment answer yes,
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  question is redacted. The individual referred to as victim two
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  in the proposed indictment. Answer yes, is redacted. The individual
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  referred to as victim three in the indictment. Answer yes,
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  question during all of Maxwell's interactions with the victims when
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  they were underage girls. Based on the timeframe and your
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  knowledge of Maxwell's birthdate, was she in her thirties? Answer yes,
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  she was. Question just one moment, all right, switching gears.
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  Have you become aware that in or about twenty sixteen,
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  Maxwell gave sworn testimony in a civil deposition in connection
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  with this lawsuit? Answer yes. Question Could you please explain
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  for the grand jury? What is the deposition? Answer It's
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  a statement made under oath. Question And in the course
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  of civil litigation, is it common for witnesses or the
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  parties of the lawsuit to give a deposition under oath
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  where they testify about substance of the case? Answer yes.
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  Question and is deposition testimony live and in person and
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  under oath? Answer yes. Question Is a court reporter present
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  when a deposition takes place? Answer yes. Question. Now, before
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  we talk about Maxwell's deposition testimony, I want to talk
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  with you about the lawsuit that the testimony was about.
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  Have you become aware that in or about twenty fifteen,
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  an individual named redacted filed a lawsuit against Maxwell here
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  in the Southern District of New York. Answer yes, question
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  and was redacted suing Maxwell for defamation? Answer? Yes, she was.
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  Question was the lawsuit captioned redacted against Glayne Maxwell in
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  the Southern District of New York? Answer yes. Question generally
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  speaking and in broad strokes, What was the lawsuit about?
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  What was the claim that redacted was bringing against Maxwell? Answer?
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  Redacted had stated that she had been sexually abused by
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  Epstein and Maxwell as a minor. Maxwell came forward publicly
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  and called her a liar, So redacted suitor for defamation misredacted.
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  So just a small legal instruction on this topic, Ladies
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  and gentlemen, I instruct you that the allegations in the
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  lawsuit are not being presented to you as evidence that
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  those incidents occurred. I instruct you that you should not
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  consider those allegations for their truth. Instead, the circumstances of
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  the lawsuit are being presented to you so that you
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  can consider the context of the case and the circumstances
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  under which miss Maxwell made statements under oath by misredacted.
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  Question turning back to the deposition, did Maxwell's deposition take
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  place over two different days? Answer yes, question on both days?
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  Did she give testimony in Manhattan? Answer yes, she did
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  is that where the deposition took place? Answer yes, question
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  and on both days was Maxwell sworn under oath? Answer yes,
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  question if you could flip through the remaining slides in
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  the presentation to those slides contain true and accurate excerpts
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  of the transcript of that deposition? Answer yes, question, turning
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  to the next slide. Is this the cover page of
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  the transcript of the first deposition that took place on
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  April twenty second, twenty sixteen? Answer yes, question, and does
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  it have the case caption on it? Answer yes it does. Question,
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  turning to the next slide. Is this an excerpt from
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  the transcript? Answer yes, question. I imagine the grand juries can't
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  read it from their seats, so if you could read
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  it with me, I'll read the questions and if you
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  could read the answers. Question, did Jeffrey Epstein have a
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  scheme to recruit underage girls for a massage? And it
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  appears there was an objection from the lawyer? Question if
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  you know? Answer, I don't know what you were talking about?
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  The answer? Was that that Maxwell's answer in the testimony?
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  Answer yes, question. Just to be clear, you testified earlier
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  that redacted participated in sexualized massages with Epstein and Maxwell.
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  Is that right? Answer? Yes, question? And redacted was a
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  minor when that occurred? Answer yes, question. And did you
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  also testify earlier that Maxwell that redacted told you that
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  Maxwell asked her to give Epstein massages when she was
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  a miner. Answer yes. Question. If you could turn to
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  the next slide, please, is this another excerpt from the
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  same deposition? Answer yes, it is. Question all right, I'll
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  read the question and you can read the answer. Question.
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  List all the people under the age of eighteen that
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  you've interacted with at any of Jeffrey Epstein's properties. Answer Maxwell,
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  I'm not aware of anybody that I interacted with other
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  than obviously redacted who was seventeen at this point. Question.
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  Just to be clear, you testified earlier about two girls
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  under the age of eighteen who interacted with Maxwell at
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  Epstein's properties. Is that correct answer? Yes, question, and those
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  individuals were redacted and redacted who told you that? Correct answer? Yes,
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  that's correct. Question, turning to the next slide. Is this
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  the cover page of the transcript from the deposition that
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  took place on July twenty second, twenty sixteen. Answer yes, question,
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  and again, was this Maxwell giving testimony as part of
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  the testimony under oath here in Manhattan. Answer yes, question,
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  If you could please turn to the next slide. Is
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  that an excerpt? Are these two excerpts from that deposition?
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  Answer yes, question again, I'll read the questions if you
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  could please read the answers. Question were you aware of
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  the presence of sex toys or devices used in sexual
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  activities in mister Epstein's pom Beach house? There's an objection
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  from the lawyer. Answer Maxwell's answer, no, not that I recall. Question.
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  Do you know whether mister Epstein possess second toys or
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  devices used in sexual activity? There's an objection from the lawyer,
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  Answer Maxwell, no question. Just to be clear, you testified
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  earlier that Redacted told you he found sex toys in
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  the massage room in the pom Beach and also that
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  he had seen that Maxwell had a basket of sex
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  toys in her closet. There is that correct answer? Yes,
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  that's correct question. And is it correct that you testified
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  earlier that Epstein had used a vibrator on redacted? Is
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  that correct answer? Yes, that's correct question. And did you
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  also testify earlier that Redacted told you he did that
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  as well. Answer yes, that's correct. Question. And did you
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  also testify earlier that sex toys were found by the
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  police in the pom Beach house in two thousand and five?
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  Is that right? Answer yes, question. And did you also
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  testify earlier that the FBI found sex toys in Epstein's
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  New York City townhouse in twenty nineteen? Answer yes, that's correct. Question.
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  If you could please turn to the next slide. This
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  is on page twenty seven. Is this Are these also
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  excerpts from that deposition? Answer? Yes, question again, I'll read
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  the questions. If you could please read the answers. Question
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  other than yourself and the blonde and brunette that have
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  identified as having been involved in three ways sexual activities,
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  with whom did mister Abstein have sexual activities? There's an
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  objection from the lawyer. Maxwell's answer, I wasn't aware that
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  he was having sexual activities with anyone when I was
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  with them other than myself. Question, I want to be
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  sure that I'm clear. Is it your testimony that in
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  the nineties and two thousands that you were not aware
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  that mister Abstein was having sexual activity with anyone other
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  than yourself and the blonde and Brunette on those few
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  occasions when they were involved with you. Maxwell's answer, that
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  is my statement, that's my testimony. That is correct. Question.
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  Have you reviewed the deposition transcripts? Answer? Yes, question in full.
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  Now the excerpt we just read has a reference to
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  a blonde and brunette. Are those individuals completely different from
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  the individuals we've been talking about today? Answer yes. Question.
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  Just to be clear, is it correct that you testified
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  earlier that redacted and redacted told you that Epstein sexually
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  abused them repeatedly? Is that correct? Answer? Yes, question. And
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  did you also testify earlier that Maxwell was occasionally present
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  when Epstein was abusing redacted based on what she told you? Answer? Yes,
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  that's correct. Question. Turning to the next slide. Is this
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  also an excerpt from that same deposition answer I'm sorry, question,
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  I'm sorry, Turning to the next slide on page twenty eight,
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  Is this also an excerpt from the same deposition? Answer? Yes, question,
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  Thank you? Okay, if we could again read that together,
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  I'll take the question, if you could take the answer. Question,
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  let's just tie that down. Is it your testimony that
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  you've never given anybody a massage? Maxwell's answer, I have
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  not given anyone a massage. Question You've never given mister
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  Epstein a massage? Is that your testimony? Maxwell's answer? That's
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  my testimony. You never give Redacted a massage? Is that
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  your testimony? Maxwell's answer, I never give redacted a massage.
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  Question Just to be clear, as you testified earlier, is
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  it correct that Redacted told you that Maxwell gave her
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  a massage when they were in New Mexico? Answer yes.
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  Question have you told the grand jury everything that you
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  know about this case? Or have you just answered the
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  questions that I've asked? Answer? I've just answered the questions
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  that you've asked. Question And when you testified about the
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  documents that you've reviewed or the conversations that you've had
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  with others, were you testifying to the exact words or
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  just the substance of the documents or conversations? Answer the
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  substance question? And are you willing to return to the
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  grand jury if the grand jury has any further questions
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  for you? Answer yes, Misredacted. With the four persons permits,
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  I'd ask that the witness be excused at this time.
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  For a person You're excused, all right, folks, that's gonna
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  do it for the Galain Maxwell grand jury transcript from
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  the SDNY in twenty twenty. All of the information that
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  goes with this episode can be found in the description box.