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Patriots Unfiltered 4/30: 2024 NFL Draft Recap, ESPN's Field Yates on the Patriots Draft Class, Christian Barmore Extension · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's it, No open nothing. I figured after the
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  Speaker 3: draft you'd have this big montage.
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  Speaker 4: You and I did it.
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  Speaker 3: I just oh, okay, all right, Well, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: It is Tuesday after the draft here at Jillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: It's duced Tamara, Evan Paul, myself, Matt Nabooth and uh.
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  Speaker 3: I think overall, everybody's pretty pleased with the hall. Thanks
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  Speaker 3: for the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I think so seems like it. I mean, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: definitely some questions about I think still remain along that
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  Speaker 5: the offensive line. But you said you had to weaponize
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  Speaker 5: the offense and get rookies, and you know, it feels
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  Speaker 5: like they pretty much hit most of their needs. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: probably a couple of position groups that maybe just a
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  Speaker 5: little bit surprised that they didn't spend a Day three
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  Speaker 5: draft pick on, which isn't all that big of a deal.
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  Speaker 5: But I would say I'm excited. It's just I think
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  Speaker 5: the questions about left tackle kind of continue.
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  Speaker 3: It's still in terms of quality and depth. But when's
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  Speaker 3: the last time we went into a draft saying, here
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  Speaker 3: are the top three needs bing bing bing and that's
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  Speaker 3: the things that they exactly did.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think we said too, like, they're not
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  Speaker 5: gonna be able to hit all three perfectly, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't And I really I think they hit
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  Speaker 5: one perfectly. And you know, the receivers, I really like
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  Speaker 5: the receivers, but you know, I think that there is
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  Speaker 5: you know, some discussion to be had about they tried
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  Speaker 5: to trade back up, so clearly they wanted to, you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe get somebody that was a little bit higher on
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  Speaker 5: their board than the guys they ended up with. I
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  Speaker 5: say that as I liked those guys. And then you know,
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  Speaker 5: the tackle, I think is the biggest question there the
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  Speaker 5: third pick, which you know, Ken that kid moved to
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  Speaker 5: the left side. That's the question we already had with
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  Speaker 5: with some of the guys that already exist on the roster.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was definitely something going on at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the first round with the Bills, and I think
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  Speaker 3: on somebody that we wanted there in terms of a receiver.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's that seems like the case. But but
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  Speaker 5: overall reactions seems you know pretty good. Just needed offense,
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  Speaker 5: took offense, and uh yeah, I'm excited to see these
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  Speaker 5: guys get out here in those few days.
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  Speaker 6: Week, not if you not if you listened to Paul's
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  Speaker 6: shows yesterday, which I did because I had to hear
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  Speaker 6: what the you know, Burnan Ernie had to say about
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  Speaker 6: the draft, and uh, I think the biggest thing that
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  Speaker 6: they said was probably the one critique I hear the
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  Speaker 6: most from people. So it's I guess fair is just
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  Speaker 6: you know, did they miss runs at receiver and tackle?
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  Speaker 6: And like how they how they played the board, not
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  Speaker 6: necessarily the players that they got, but you know how
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  Speaker 6: they played the game, you know, of the draft board.
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  Speaker 6: At receiver, you mentioned that it sounds like they tried
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  Speaker 6: to trade back up in the first round, like most
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  Speaker 6: people think Xavier Laguet was the guy that they wanted.
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  Speaker 6: You know, they end up in a run of six
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  Speaker 6: receivers and they get the sixth guy, you know, tackle
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  Speaker 6: seemed like Caden Wallace. Maybe they missed out on the
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  Speaker 6: Patrick Paul's and the Kingsley Sue Mattias. But I think
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  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, like we've seen, it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't always go that the top guy taken, or you know,
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  Speaker 6: the way that the run unfolds you, that they could
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  Speaker 6: end up being right in the long run, that Jalen
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  Speaker 6: Polk is a better player than lad mcconncor.
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  Speaker 3: Or they could end up being lucky, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: the other way you want to put it. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 3: like if you were trying to move up, obviously there
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  Speaker 3: was somebody who were targeting, but it might turn out
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  Speaker 3: that the guy you were targeting isn't as good as
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  Speaker 3: the guy you ended up with. Yeah, you know, yep, so,
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  Speaker 3: But I think in terms of the positions, I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it was pretty good. I'm intrigued by the
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  Speaker 3: second wide receiver Baker. He's got a little dog in him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like I think he might have some competing
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  Speaker 3: in here.
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  Speaker 7: And I feel like you need that in the receiver
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  Speaker 7: and corner position. You need those guys who are confident
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  Speaker 7: in themselves and according to him, grab your popcorn, have
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  Speaker 7: it ready to go when you get to chill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, now out there, you know, reality's gonna
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  Speaker 3: hit him in the face when he gets here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but what's the stacy James. Yeah, like Parcels said, if
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  Speaker 3: they don't bite when they're puppies, they won't bite when
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  Speaker 3: their dogs.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, that's gonna happened. Boom er bust. It feels
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  Speaker 5: like with him. But it's funny though, because some of
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  Speaker 5: the people who are critiquing the draft and are like, well,
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  Speaker 5: I think the fourth round receiver is the best pick,
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, how does that make sense? Like yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like that's like because you think in your
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  Speaker 5: mind of whatever you've done, that this guy might go off,
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  Speaker 5: Like I don't know, it just feels it feels oh yeah, silly,
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  Speaker 5: Like you know, they obviously like Polk was a better
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  Speaker 5: player and they took him higher for a reason. But
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  Speaker 5: and I also just didn't like the sixth best receiver.
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  Speaker 5: That's an easy way to put it. But did you
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  Speaker 5: really want lab? I mean I would have taken Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Polk over, Like I don't know. Sometimes I think you
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  Speaker 5: get to that point and it's kind of an eye
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  Speaker 5: of the beholder. So yeah, you can say he was
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  Speaker 5: the sixth receiver taken, but does that necessarily mean he
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  Speaker 5: was their sixth receiver.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, And I think the big thing about
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  Speaker 6: it is, and we were talking about this on Catch
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  Speaker 6: twenty two. I had all these guys in the same
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  Speaker 6: tier received Ladd McConkie, Royman Wilson, Troy Franklin, Jalen McMillan,
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  Speaker 6: the other Washington receiver. They were all in the same
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  Speaker 6: tier for me, and I think at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the day, you take the guy that stylistically plays the
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  Speaker 6: way that you want to play, and that's that's the separator, right,
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  Speaker 6: It's not necessarily Yeah, I had a slightly higher grade
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  Speaker 6: on Ladd McConkie than I did on Jalen Polk, But
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  Speaker 6: maybe they want a guy that's a little bit bigger,
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  Speaker 6: a little bit stronger, you know, one hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 6: six pound receiver in McConkie versus a two hundred and
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  Speaker 6: five pound receiver in Polk. So that skill set tip
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  Speaker 6: the scales towards Jalen Polk for them, and that's different.
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  Speaker 3: There was an email that came across that you guys
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  Speaker 3: addressed in Catch twenty two towards the end, which I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to push back on you a little bit, Evan,
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  Speaker 3: where Elliott Wolfe said, you know where I come from,
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  Speaker 3: it's not so much XYZ, it's are they good? Are
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  Speaker 3: they good receivers? You know? And I think that's refreshing.
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  Speaker 3: I know the email that's sent it in said we
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  Speaker 3: should we be worried about that? I say no, I
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  Speaker 3: mean can the guy? Can the guy separate? Can he
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  Speaker 3: catch it when you throw it to him?
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  Speaker 5: You know, like the second part for sure with these guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so that's more important than is he
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  Speaker 3: is he you know frame? Or is he Z one?
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  Speaker 5: Two three? Here we go again.
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  Speaker 3: Can we get a bunch of guys that can get
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  Speaker 3: separation and catch the ball?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I just think that you always say to watch what
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  Speaker 6: they do and not what they say. And when I
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  Speaker 6: look at these two guys, I think they're extremely complimentary players.
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  Speaker 6: I think Javon Baker is an outside receiver. If you
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  Speaker 6: don't want to put X on him because we don't
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  Speaker 6: like the letters, that's fine. But Javon Baker is an
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  Speaker 6: outside receiver. Jalen Polk is an inside outside receiver. Can
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  Speaker 6: do a little bit of both, and so I think
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  Speaker 6: these two guys are very complimentary. And they're also very
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  Speaker 6: complimentary to Drake may like their their skills overlap with
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  Speaker 6: what he does well. So I think in a lot
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  Speaker 6: of ways, Elliott says that, oh, we don't necessarily prioritize
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  Speaker 6: positions and things like that. Well, you drafted a down
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  Speaker 6: the field outside receiver and you drafted a Z receiver
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  Speaker 6: that moves inside and out. So by your actions, it
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  Speaker 6: looks like you said, we're gonna get two guys that
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  Speaker 6: are at least a little bit different here so that
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  Speaker 6: they're not stepping on each other's toes. That's just the
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  Speaker 6: way that I look at it. I think that people
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  Speaker 6: are more excited about Javon Baker because he's flash here.
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  Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it that Javon Baker's highlights are
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  Speaker 6: better than Jalen Polk's highlights. So if you're into that flash,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm not saying that that's necessarily wrong, but you're
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  Speaker 6: gonna look at Javon Baker as a more flashy big play.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, had averaged like twenty two yards per catch
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  Speaker 6: last year in the Big twelve, so you know he's
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  Speaker 6: one of those guys that plays that way, whereas Jalen
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  Speaker 6: Polk is gonna be the steady, chain moving possession receiver
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  Speaker 6: that might not have as much flash to him but
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  Speaker 6: might be more consistent.
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  Speaker 7: Was Javon Baker the number one guy at UCF.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I mean he led to the Big twelve
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  Speaker 6: in receiving last year, just the entire conference. And is
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  Speaker 6: it a big play machine. I mean the only two
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  Speaker 6: guys that had more twenty plus yard catches than Javon
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  Speaker 6: Baker Dunesay and Neighbors and the whole FBS. So this
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  Speaker 6: is a this is a big play guy. You know,
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  Speaker 6: that's what he does.
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  Speaker 3: Does anyone hold against him transferring out of Alabama?
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  Speaker 8: I mean they're all transferred now, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean maybe they're going for like the elite of
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  Speaker 3: the elite to a lower, you know level school.
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  Speaker 8: I mean it's Big twelve now, Like it's to me
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  Speaker 8: there was a time that I would have but not anymore.
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  Speaker 8: Like everybody transfers now.
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  Speaker 3: And it's hard to I'm just throwing it out there,
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  Speaker 3: and it's hard.
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  Speaker 7: To at Alabama when you have so many five star guys.
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  Speaker 7: It's like, how are you gonna get playing time?
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  Speaker 3: Right? So you know something, you know, it could be good,
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  Speaker 3: Like the Andy Harts of the world would be like
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  Speaker 3: just fight it out better.
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  Speaker 8: The fairness, Like there's probably a time, you know, eight
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  Speaker 8: or ten years ago that I would have been like that,
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  Speaker 8: like you know, compete, yeah, you know, like he's something
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  Speaker 8: admirable about what Matt Castle did at USC, you know,
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  Speaker 8: which is nothing, no complete and try to win the job.
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  Speaker 8: Don't take your ball and go home and it just
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  Speaker 8: goes somewhere else. Now, you can make an argument that
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  Speaker 8: had he gone somewhere else, maybe he would have been
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  Speaker 8: drafted higher, but that didn't prevent him from having an
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  Speaker 8: NFL career.
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  Speaker 7: So I mean, what what would have happened to for example,
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  Speaker 7: let's just say Jalen if he didn't transfer from Oklahoma
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  Speaker 7: to Alabama, what happened to him?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, Jalen.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm like my brain is like blinking right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, he went from Alabama, toy.
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  Speaker 7: So imagine you would have stayed there and competed with Tua. Like,
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  Speaker 7: would he be where he is right now if he
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  Speaker 7: would have just stayed there as the backup behind too?
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  Speaker 8: I would say he probably would be, because he was
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  Speaker 8: already the starter before that. Now, if he had never
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  Speaker 8: played in Alabama, that's different, you think, now, yeah, he
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  Speaker 8: never player or the same draft pick. He probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 8: have gotten drafted in the second round. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 8: that the performance at Oklahoma probably got him second round status.
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  Speaker 8: He'd be the same player.
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  Speaker 6: I think a lot to do with his development.
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  Speaker 8: I think I have no way of knowing that for sure.
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  Speaker 8: You guys might be right on.
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  Speaker 7: No, I'm just saying, like if he stayed there behind
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  Speaker 7: Tua and never saw the field again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I listen, I think putting, but he would have
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  Speaker 3: I think. I think giving these guys control of their future.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a good thing. You know. I I
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  Speaker 3: would have been one of those guys, you know, had
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  Speaker 3: I had any ability. Uh, And I got into a
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  Speaker 3: sport and you know I wasn't seeing as much playing time,
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  Speaker 3: if at all, I'd want to leave and go. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not out here to watch. I want to.
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  Speaker 5: Play so much easier now too, with the way things are.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, used to what you have to sit out
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  Speaker 5: a year, you'd have to apply. Yeah, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: a whole process, and now it's just like I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to the portal.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's to put it in context of
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  Speaker 6: this was the golden era of Alabama receivers like his
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  Speaker 6: freshman year, It's DeVante Smith, Jalen Wattle, John Metchi. It
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  Speaker 6: doesn't get much better than that in a college receiver room.
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  Speaker 6: And then the year after that, Jamison Williams transferred in
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  Speaker 6: from Ohio State, so it was Jamison Williams and John
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  Speaker 6: Metchi and he was he was probably supposed to be
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  Speaker 6: the third guy in that group, but they ended up
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  Speaker 6: going in a different direction at that point, and that's
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  Speaker 6: when he decided to transfer after that season. But this
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  Speaker 6: was in the run of Alabama receivers that was just
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  Speaker 6: ridiculous every single year. They were like a receiver factory.
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  Speaker 6: And uh, and I don't necessarily blame him for the
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  Speaker 6: fact that he couldn't beat out DeVante Smith, who won
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  Speaker 6: the Heisman.
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  Speaker 3: Trump.
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  Speaker 8: Glad you got the timeline right, because I've heard a
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  Speaker 8: lot of oh, he's behind Jalen Wattle and DeVante Smith,
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  Speaker 8: like he went to Alabama in June of the COVID year,
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  Speaker 8: And yeah, technically, Jalen Wattle was still there. He's a
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  Speaker 8: true freshman coming. He wasn't going to play over the
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  Speaker 8: starting especially not for Nick Wide. Yes, like you're not
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  Speaker 8: gonna like step in, especially in COVID. They didn't practice,
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  Speaker 8: they didn't have any of the preparation that they normally
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  Speaker 8: would have. And then the next year, you know, it
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  Speaker 8: was John Metchi, not you know, Jalen Waddle. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 8: and Evan perfectly put that. Still good players, Jamison Williams
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  Speaker 8: and John Metchi, but he probably should have been in
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  Speaker 8: line to get more playing time now his red shirt
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  Speaker 8: freshman year than he did then he left.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and here's some of the comments that he had
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  Speaker 6: in his press conference, and from what we know about
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  Speaker 6: Bill and Nick Saban, like, does that really strike you
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  Speaker 6: as the type of guy that it was gonna win
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  Speaker 6: Nick Saban over unless he was just incredibly talented. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you know so. But I do think it's important to
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  Speaker 6: put in context that the receiver rooms that he was
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  Speaker 6: in at Alabama were stacked like this is not We're
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  Speaker 6: not just talking about, you know, a receiver room like
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots right now, where there's all this opportunity, you're
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  Speaker 6: not going to beat out a Heisman Trophy winning receiver
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  Speaker 6: for targets.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought it was a good weekend if you
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  Speaker 3: follow it along with us on Patriots dot com and socially,
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: you saw some really cool content. Drake May seeing his
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  Speaker 3: locker for the first time. I thought was was really neat,
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  Speaker 3: and I think he genuinely was, you know, excited.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it looks like an excited kid.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's it's it.
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  Speaker 5: He makes me feel old. I was like, my god,
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  Speaker 5: I could be this kid's dad, but no, he's Uh.
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  Speaker 5: I just I said it. Turning the shows. I just
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  Speaker 5: thought it was cool. The relationship with him and his
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  Speaker 5: brothers and his girlfriend and the line of you know
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  Speaker 5: you're getting me, you're getting them. That that stuck out
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  Speaker 5: to me. So it's just it's real clear. I mean
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  Speaker 5: I think I think he might be a little bit sheltered,
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  Speaker 5: you know. I think that that he's probably he's never
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  Speaker 5: been out of North Carolina and you know, he's been
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  Speaker 5: the little brother. So you know, we'll see because I
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  Speaker 5: think what kind of adversity has he faced. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: this is all He's going to be thrown into the
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  Speaker 5: fire of all fires now, oh yeah, and uh, you
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  Speaker 5: know it's it's I compared to, you know, not the player.
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  Speaker 5: But I remember sitting here with Mac when Mac first
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  Speaker 5: came in, and it was, you know, it was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 5: Like when we first drafted Mac, I was excited, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's, uh, it's you realize how much he
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  Speaker 5: had to go through from that point on, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: the injuries and the mental stuff and just every you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's just it's it's a real grind. And so you know,
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  Speaker 5: Drake May's twenty one, He's got a great attitude. He's
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  Speaker 5: got some you know, receivers around him that I think
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  Speaker 5: will help him, you know, have a good chance. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we haven't talked about Joe Milton yet. I mean that,
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  Speaker 5: but I think having another rookie quarterback in there as
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  Speaker 5: well is uh, you know, is in that way is
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  Speaker 5: advantageous that you know they're all gonna be able to
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  Speaker 5: work together and hopefully develop. But it's just the hard
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  Speaker 5: times are waiting for him and he's going to have
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  Speaker 5: to prepare and be ready to overcome that stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like he's already gone through more adversity than
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  Speaker 7: Mac has, though, like Mack was, like sure Mac was
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  Speaker 7: waiting behind three quarterbacks to play, but he's he's like
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  Speaker 7: Drake May has dealt with more in North Carolina, having
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  Speaker 7: nothing this year, a bad offensive line, bad weapons around him,
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  Speaker 7: and he's still found his way to be a number
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  Speaker 7: three overall pick. Obviously not as productive as the years
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  Speaker 7: his previous year, but he played with nothing. Mac had
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  Speaker 7: a whole lot around.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he comes in with more college yeah games and
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Mac did you know for sure?
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: So that's yeah, he has more football adversity, yeah, I
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: would say than Mac Jones. But your point about him
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: out of shelters the right word. But like he's he
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: he is from North Carolina. He was originally committed to Alabama,
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: decommitted from Alabama to stay in North Carolina and go
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: to UNC. And I don't, like he said, other than
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: to travel to road games, he's never left the state
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: of North Carolina, So that that's going to be something
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: that will be I'm sure for any kid like I remember,
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: you know, moving out to LA when I graduated college.
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: That's it's a culture shock, like for anybody that age.
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: So that will be interesting to see. How I don't
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: know if he's ever really been in like true winter before.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: Which I didn't hear anyone.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: That's where it comes out in.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Like a parka. He's like, you don't have to dress
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: in winter clothes here.
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: That was I will say.
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: I feel like from a person standpoint, a lot of
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: people don't get out of their state until they graduate college,
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: just saying like unless your family is wealthy and can
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: make you on vacations. Like I know a ton of
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: people that I went to school with that never went
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: anywhere until after they graduated him, so.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: Did they have to perform their job in the snow
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: after they graduated.
• 16:09
  Speaker 8: That I was not wealthy the state.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: I never I never was on a plane until college.
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like there's so many people who haven't
• 16:19
  Speaker 7: gone anywhere.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think it's it's just for me.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: It's also just his comportment, like he's you know, he's
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: just not doesn't seem like a very worldly kid, like
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: you know, it seems like he's known sports and North
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: Carolina and football, and that's kind of it, right.
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: And I mean it look it's fine, Like I mean,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: you're right, everybody's been like that before. But I just
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: think when you look at a kid who's going to
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: go through the kind of ups and downs that Mac
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: had to deal with, like that's just waiting for him.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: It's going to happen, you know, you don't know how
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: anybody's going to react to that.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Max's first year, he was coddled. He
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: was you know, they Josh McDaniels took care. I mean,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: he wasn't. He started right away, but I don't think
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: he was expected to do everything right away.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: But like you look at other players too that are
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: coming into the NFL who transferred schools, who had you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: didn't go great at a place, had to you know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: pick up shop and go somewhere else and re establish
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: themselves those kind of things. So you know, those little
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: things all add up for me. And and you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: it's not a negative, it's just something that I think
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: he's gonna that's gonna be his biggest area of growth.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Like I always thought when Gronk was drafted, he seems
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: so innocent and pure, and I was like, man, I
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: don't want to think about like Gronk when he's bitter
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: and jaded and old and you know, not that that's
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: what Drake May is gonna be. And Gronk didn't become that,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: but you know, there's gonna be grown up Drake May
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: who's bent out to the woodshed and you know, had
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: to deal with getting his doors blown off and getting
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: lit up and you know those kind of things.
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: So let's hope that he doesn't have to deal with that, like.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: Right half jokingly, but like at the same time, you know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: you use Gronk as an example. Gronk was just awesome,
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: like right away, and if you know, there's something to
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: be said for the fact that he just he could
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: be great and like you know all this others, like
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: he's obviously gonna have ups and downs, but like if
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: he's you know, as good as.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: He's an all time great, he'll be okay.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: But that's ultimately we can talk and we will and
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: we're going to continue to do it about this draft class.
• 18:06
  Speaker 8: That's ultimately what it's going to come down to. If
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: Drake Bay hits, we're gonna love this draft class. If
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: it doesn't, there's not a whole lot those other guys
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: are gonna be.
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: Able to do to overcome that, because the receivers won't
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: pop without him popping. Probably, I mean, I don't think
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: that they really profile as guys that lift the quarterback anyway.
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: Especially Polk, I think is sort of a guy who's
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: just kind of solid and steady, Like at his best,
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: he's like there's Jalen Polk again on third down, you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: making a play that's high end Jalen Polk to me,
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: and that's great, that's what exactly what you're looking for.
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: But if the quarterback can't get him the ball, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: don't think he's going to be the kind of guy
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: that's going to make the quarterback better if he just
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: can't play. So ultimately, this is coming down to Drake May.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: We mentioned Joe Milton a lot of people kind of
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: we're surprised that the Patriots took him in the sixth round.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: Honestly, I think it's really funny that you use we
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: use the pick that we got from the Jaguars to
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: draft a quarterback with way better talent than Mac Jones.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: Obviously he has some accuracy accuracy issues, but great arm
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: and unbelievable athlete.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of torn on that one. I'll let
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: the boys kind of lay out the negative part of it,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: but it's just, uh, Evan, I don't want to steal
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: your line. But it's exactly what I thought, which was
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: kind of felt mine Gamy with like the Max stuff.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: You know, oh, we're going to take another quarterback now,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: and you know what, what what's the point? The point?
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: And to be fair, like you need a better backup
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: than Billy's happy.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: But he's but he's a developmental player. Yeah, And I
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: just my whole thing is is that I know we're
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: gonna get out there to in the spring, in the
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: summer and and shorts and a T shirt. Joe Milton
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: is going to look just as impressive as as Drake May.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: The arm, talent, the mobility, the size, like all of
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: it is going to be just as impressive. And to
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: deuce his point, just as second ago about how does
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: Drake May handle it? How does Drake May handle it
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: when in the second half of preseason games against Scrubs,
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: Joe Milton is lighting it up. And then we have
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: people calling into our shows and stuff like that saying, well,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: why don't they give Joe Milton a try?
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: I like, I didn't like anything about the pick because
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: I just don't think he's very good, sneaky, He's not
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: good at football. But the intangible stuff that Evan just
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: introduced is why I think I don't like it the most.
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: And we had a really good in depth post on
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: the Mailbag this week and I sort of tried my
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: best to sort of downplay it, but I got to
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: be honest, that guy made a lot of good points
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: about that kind of stuff, Like if he goes out
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: there and does a Michael Bishop fred, how does that
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: impact Drake May. Michael Bishop wasn't anything great. He just
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: was a tremendous athlete who ran around and did eye
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: popping things in preseason games that were meaningless. And that's
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: just going to create sort of unwanted controversy.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: And here's what I feel like, he needs to be
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: mentally tough, Like if you're going to grow out there
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: and pee your pants because Joe Milton has.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: His parents, it's just not a good situation. We spent
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: three years making excuses for Mac Jones because you didn't
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: have the right things around him and they ruined him.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: This to me seems like you're going out of your
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: way to create controversy.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I don't that. I don't know, Yeah, I don't think.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: So the guy can't play.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Here's what.
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: Since he can't play, Drake May should have nothing to
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: worry about.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Period.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: He doesn't matter.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: It's not about that people that tried to call us
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: and tell us that Millie Cunningham was the answer, They're
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: going to see him throw one seventy five yard pass
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: in the first preseason game in the fourth quarter and
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: say that this guy is better than the guy they
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: d not a tenth.
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: Of what Malik was.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think this coach. I think the coaches will
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: deal with that. But but but you're.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: Missing the point. People are completely missing the point on it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: It's not about who's the guy. Drake May is the guy.
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: It's one hundred percent it's Drake May. But you're creating
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: a possibility of having all kinds of noise which you're
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: supposed to work to try to avoid.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, to be honest, I think the only people making
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: noise are the media.
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: Fans.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Fans will be making noise.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: I will guarantee it. In the summer, people like you
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: will be saying, look at the arm, look at the athletics.
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: People are going to say, be mentally tied with Drake May.
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: It's the noise that you're creating, just like saying you
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: can handle it perfect.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: That's just like saying to the current wide receiver room,
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: they should be scared right now because of all the
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: people that we just drafted.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: Right you need six receivers.
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: You don't need more than one quarter receivers right now.
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: You don't need more than one quarterback. You need all
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: of us receivers and you have like twelve receivers right now.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: They should be they should be. We do not.
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: They have four receivers that are going to make the
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: team that we know of what happens after.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of them on the roster.
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of scrubs on the roster that not
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: in the NFL.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: But I I agree with Tomorrow. I think if Drake May,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: if Drake May isn't showing that he has a good
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: arm in his athletic then we have problems. Well, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: it's not about what Joe Milton. I know I'm saying it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It's not about what Joe Milton shows us in this summer.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: It's about what Drake May shows us.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: Think you take every shot you can to get players
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: to help your team.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: But here's what I hope, Here's what I hope. I
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: hope happens with Joe Milton. You know he said it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: not gonna happen. I'm going to be a tight end.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Rod Mayo said, we draft him as a quarterback. But
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I hope he gets out there and it becomes very
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: apparent he cannot be a quarterback. And I hope at
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: some point he realizes that and they have a sit
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: down and say, hey, this doesn't work, This isn't working out.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: What do you think how about taking some reps to
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: tight end? What do you think?
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's his footwork and his feet are
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: not like they could train him. I guess long term
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: to be a tight end. But I just I don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: think his athleticism translates very well to like receive. I
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: just I would Paul on this. I understand that Drake
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: may should be mentally tougher. I agree with that point,
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: but why test it? Like, why do we have to
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: test these guys mentally all the time where they have
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: to deal with all this crap and it's the same
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: thing that they did with Mac Jones. You know, we
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: have people out here on Monday night football chanting the
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: backup quarterback's name. You know, we have all this kind
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: of stuff. We have people thought that you raft.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Every one of us said, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: if they draft a quarterback later.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: And yeah quarterback, Yeah, like like Michael Pratt who developed
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: mental prospect.
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: That's not gonna like create any waves. This is going
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: out of your way to just have a physical freak
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: out there is to run around.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, listen, I'm sorry.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry that I don't have the same opinion as
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: you want to play. You have to get so defense
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: because all of a sudden, the Patriots made a pick
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: and three of us don't like it, and we're like
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: cast aside. You're about this, okay, whatever.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: You know, people have a different opinion. Now you're like
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: ready to like fold up like a baby. A baby.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I didn't even think of Evans and making fun of it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: That the Molie Cunningham. I didn't even think of that,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: and that that that's my thing too. I'm with the
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: movie coming on. Yeah, sorry, I but.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I mean when Michael Bishop was running around, people were
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: screaming for Michael Bishop. It didn't affect the quarterback. I
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: mean it was not a big deal.
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: No, and I mean honestly it was the quarterback when
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: that happened.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I forget it doesn't Okay, but you know, so.
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: What, well, it's the same. It's the same six year veterans.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: You really think the coaches are going to be and
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: you know, coach, they're going to be like, oh my god,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I think the coaches care. The fans are yelling. Fans
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: are yelling for Joe Milton. What are we going to do?
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Why do you like? So?
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: What if they drafted Spencer Rattler instead of Joe Milton
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: would be the same thing.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: If he came out and was lighting it up game,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: people would be saying, oh, look at.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Because that because the thing is is like Joe Milton
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: has physical traits. That again, I'm not talking about the
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: people sitting at this table right now, I promise actually.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: A good one.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: How about Sam Hartman?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Would that be a no? Because Sam?
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: No, Yeah, you could drave Sam Hartman, I said Michael Pratt.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: Michael Pratt is like Bailey's Appy, right, Like it's going
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: to be clear to everybody that Drake May is more
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: physically talented than Michael Pratt.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: The problem that I don't.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Want to be clear that he's physically better.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: Than not to the casuals.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: No, but it's like MALIEK.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Cunningham.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: MALIEK.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Cunningham ran like the wind and we heard three straight
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: months of put in, Malik put in.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: I'm not worried about people in this building not realizing
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: that Drake May is better than Joe Milton. I'm worried
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: about people that don't have the football knowledge that Gerrod
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: Mayo has looking at it and saying, this guy can
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: throw it seventy five yards and that guy can throw
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: it seventy five yards.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: What's the difference. And you think that's going to affect
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Drake may No, I hope not. But that's all we
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: care about that. I hope not.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: It did affect the last quarterback.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: If it doesn't, If then who cares what the fans
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: are saying? As long as in that in that room.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: When the when the Patriots drafted Jimmy Garoppolo and affected
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: that guy, And yeah, he used it as motivation, but
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: not everybody is wired that way.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Especially especially picked the wrong guy.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Everybody all that. So many of these kids are like that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Now though, that's the problem. That's the problem, like that
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: that that's this generation. Like that's what it is like.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: You know a lot of in all sports, you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: they they're the man that this is my territory. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: when you you tell me differently, a lot of these
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: guys pout that's just the way it is.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, right now, it's not his territory. He's
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: gonna have to earn this job by what he does
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: on the field, and if it's not apparent, and again
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: the subtleties are going to be lost on the casual fan.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I agree with that, right, but we're hoping that this
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: is a competent coaching staff and they will realize the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: difference between Drake May and Joe Milton.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: The coaches, I have no doubt, are going to recognize that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Well and and and Drake May will understand that he's
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: doing things better than Joe Milton should know that, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: that's it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: I'm not, honestly, I'm not even that worried, that worried
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: about the football of it all. It's honestly just I
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: don't want to deal with four months. You don't have
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: to call like we had with Malik Cunningham, and I'm like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I can't even talk to you guys right now.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I think that's fun. Who cares, it's let them say
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: what they say.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: I never once wanted Malik to start over.
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: No one, no one, no one actually did know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: But there were plenty of people. How much did we
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: talk about Malie Cunningham.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: On every time I wrote about Malik Cunningham and the
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: post would blow up for no reason, like, oh, they
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: elevated him from the practice squad. He didn't even play
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: in the game, but they elevated him and everybody read
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: about it like it's just I understand that it's all
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: not gonna matter, and six months from now, we're gonna
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: really Like remember when we argued for like thirty minutes
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: about Joe Milton and Drake May and all this stuff.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: I get all that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: I just am telling you that there are people outside
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: this room that cover this team that are not gonna
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: know the difference between the two guys, and that is
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: concerning to me.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: But but I mean, how many I don't know why
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: you're so wrapped up about what fans understand and what
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: they don't. It's up to me because it creates That's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: why you're here because it because it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: Creates how bad outside noise. It just creates the outside noise,
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: and we just watched it happen with Mac Jones.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: But it's I don't think there's anything you can do
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: about that. There's always going to be someone that the
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: fans are clamoring for, whether it's Malie Cunningham or Michael
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Bishop or whoever. It's the you know, you know, the
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: next shiny little toy. I remember when Michael Bishop, who
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: was the receiver from Brown. That was Oh god, yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: what was Sean Moore? Oh, Sean Moore is gonna be
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the next big thing.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: It's like, come on, well, I think too part of it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: You want to be excited about Drake May and you
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: don't all of a sudden have two camps that are
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: going to emerge of you know, the team Milton who.
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: See it now?
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: Day one of Patriots Mini camp here in June and
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: Joe Milton threw the ball better than Drake May. I'm
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: telling you, Mike, like, I just can see it now.
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: Put him in.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know what's the problem May struggling, Mike.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: It will happen. I'm sure that will happen.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, wow. I mean now they got something else
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: to figure out how to manage too with you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: just we talked about when we may get in there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's it's just another body in there.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I do think right now because five receivers,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: right yeah, I mean I think it affects Bailey ZAPPI
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: probably more than anybody because I thought, you know, it
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: seemed like Billy get traded.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: Those the rumors, like rap Sheet said after they took
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Joe Milton that they've been trying to shop Bailey Zappy
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: and he's available in the trade.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Interesting, yeah, yeah, so all right, good stuff, good stuff, webs.
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: Just can I just throw one last thing out here, yes, Paul.
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: So if let's just say, disaster strikes and this negatively
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: impacts Drake May and you stuck without a quarterback.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: So make May is playing but he's not playing well and.
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then and the mentality is like Mac, well,
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: well they didn't do anything to support them, and they
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: they failed them, you know, they ruined them, And that's
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: the that's the narrative. Say this time in two years
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: they ruined them. We're not allowed to say.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: That by drafting Joe Milton.
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: We're not allowed to say. Yeah, we're not allowed to
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: say it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Though, well I think that would be incorrect.
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: But but you didn't see it. No, But if it's
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: a hypothetic, if that's what ruined him, that this is
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: a complete hypothetical, it's incorrect, I know.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: But like I'm sure like in three years, if Drake
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: May is a bust, there's going to be more reasons
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: than they drafted Joe Milton.
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: Right, were there more reasons mac Jones was a bust
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: other than they hired Matt Patricia for the offensive coordinator. Yeah,
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: is that the reason why people think that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: They ruined him. Yeah, that's one of the reason. Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: you know, but you're not allowed to say that. That's
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: a lot different than drafting. I don't hear you say
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: it's it's not even apples to apples.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: So don't don't ever say it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Then, No, it's not even a fair comparison.
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: So don't say it. Don't don't change your mind.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, I won't. I probably won't want.
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: No one's allowed to say that. Okay, we broke all
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: the rules here, Paul, you disagree, we disagree with the
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: Patriots moved.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: You're allowed to broke the rules. You're allowed to say
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: whatever you want, and everyone's allowed to.
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: If I do that, I'm just being a baby. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to do that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you when you start saying, well, I can't
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: say what when you act like a baby, I mean.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: You have to pander you You can't say what you
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: want to say.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: What's pandering by saying my opinion? I'm pandering?
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: Ye?
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: Okay, all right, yep, yeah, yeah, So so I will
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: check it at the door next time. Okay, I'll be
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: all on board, baby Patriots filtered from now on.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, Paul, you don't have to filter it, but you
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: have to be a big boy when someone pushes back.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: That's all. That's all I'm saying.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: All right, you're the arbiter of justice.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yes I am. It's my show. Eight five to five.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Pass five hundred is the hotline, web radio pages dot
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: com is the email address.
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: Totally pathetic.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, he just won't stop, He just won't stop. Joe Milton, Yeah,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Joe Milton.
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: You couldn't have an opinion on draft picks. I thought
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: that we were supposed to give that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Well what I was wrong? Why can't you give your opinion?
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: Because I'm mocked for it? All you do is laugh?
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, you did? All right?
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: Call me names.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I disagree, mocking, yeah, mocking. Not because of your opinion.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: Well that's the way I took it. I dissented.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Paul.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: That'd be audacity to not agree. Yeah, and and sorry, Yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: I won't let it happen.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: This is what you're being mocked for, Paul, this attitude.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: You can have a different opinion, but like not the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: way I see it. When someone disagrees, then again, I.
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: Don't see it the way you do, so I'm automatically wrong.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: I don't see it that way.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong, no one, no one's wrong. It's just
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: like I don't know why you have to like act
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that way, like everyone's at acting.
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: Like I'm acting anyway. Okay, all right, but I don't
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: just I don't agree with you. So it's not the
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: same way. That's the way you see it has to
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: be the way we see it. Well, I see it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: I shouldn't put what.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why two people can't have different opinions.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I don't either, you know, So as soon as I
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: push back, you act like a baby. That's what I'm saying.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: Enough for pushing back, for the mocking, the laughing, like
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: how could you even think that?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: So what so what what I mean?
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: You know, I believe me. I told you I will
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: try to just conform. Okay, now on I'll try not
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: to have my thoughts aired.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, what about Kaden Wallace? Yeah, I was gonna move
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: on to Christian Barmore because you know, I think I
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: think we might be all in agreement. That was a
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: good move by the Patriots.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: It was a good move for the Patriots. Yeah, yeah, sure,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: I mean long needed and you know Dougger him.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you Jennings, now, I was a little surprised,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: and you know that only about half of it was guaranteed,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: because in today's day and age, like a lot of
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: these deals like seventy five percent are being guaranteed. But
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I think it's a good lesson when you have a
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: guy like that, do it early, as early as you
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: can do it a year early. Don't wait, you know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: get that thing done.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: That's I mean, that's that's the whole thing. I mean,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: why you know, why wasn't Dougger done last year? You know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: it's the same same kind of thing, you know.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: I just I think to me, it's just it's two
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: different ways. And I always feel like we come or
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: I come across it, and I want to speak for
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: you guys, like it's always Bill's ray was always wrong,
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: which might not be the case right or it wasn't
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: always the case. But Bill would have drafted Christian Barmore's
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: replacement this year. He would have used a premium pick
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: on a defensive tackle, and he would have said in
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: a year from now, he's gonna train under Christian Barmore
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: for a year and a year from now, we're gonna
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: let Barmore walk for the third round compick and this
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: guy's gonna take his place, and we're not going to
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: miss a beat. And he would have done the same thing.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: He did the same thing. He drafted Marty Mapu to
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: replace Kyle Dugger. He did the same thing with Kyle Dugger.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: And I think the bigger thing that you see with
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: that is one, it's not that the next player is
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: not always as good, which is I think the situation
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: they got into the last couple of years. And two Thenett,
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: you don't use that asset on other holes. So now
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: you're drafting a defensive tackle in the second round and
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: you're not drafting Jalen Polk. So it just has a
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: dominant effect. Now in the long run about the individual player,
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: maybe Bill will end up would have ended up being right.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Maybe Kyle Duger this is as good as he's gonna get.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: And maybe you know, the contract in a year from
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: now is gonna look terrible, and Bill would have been
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: right in terms of the individual player. But it's all
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot more of a web there
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: than just what effect it has on that one player.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: Last year, they drafted everybody's replacements, that's what they did.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: And you can't just do that every year. I mean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: that's just you fall out of the cycle. You only
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: have maybe at nine to ten draft picks a year.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: You can't just continue, excuse me, to recycle things. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: that's the problem. They weren't enough of those guys. There
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: weren't enough extensions they got. You know, they lost their way,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: especially on the offensive side of the ball, and then
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: it seemed like they just started running this like we'll
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: just replace them on defense kind of thing. So I
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: think it's a good move for Barmore. I mean, you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: four years extension, he's here for a while. I mean
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: I still think, you know, not to get ahead of ourselves,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: but defense is going to need to be rebuilt.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I mean everyone's assuming that the defense is
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: going to be just pick up where it left off.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Last year.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean this year maybe, I mean this year maybe,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: I mean they'll get they'll get some guys back, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, but you know, next year, it's it's Godshaw Wise,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: you know, Bentley, all those guys are out next year,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: so you know, they're, yeah, it was good to get Barmore.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: So you have one piece up front.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: That I also like that when you exert this much
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: energy and you promote draft and develop guys, it's like
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: you aren't that much energy developing bar More into what
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: he is today. Like why would you let him walk
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: out the door and let someone else like profit.
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: Off of that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: That's a hard thing too, Like guys like Toney, you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: it's just guys that you drafted, you developed. You know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: they're good players, and it's you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: Know, he would have done the same thing with Mike
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: on Wenhu, Like they drafted Citisow to replace Mike on Weho.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they just never drafted anybody to replace Gronk or Edelman,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: and they.
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: Just drafted bad players.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Like and plus, you know, when you compare the drafts
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: when Brady was here to drafts that it's not a
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: fair comparison, you know, because you could take chances with
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Brady and screw up and you'd still win twelve games,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: you know, and so you didn't notice it as much.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Plus you had a foundation of like good players. I
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: think now the foundation is bar More, you know, the
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: hopefully the foundation is dugger and guys like that you
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: need to keep those guys were in the past. You know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: maybe you didn't have to do that. Maybe you drafted
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: guys that were replacements so that you could keep that
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: salary down and you know, spend it on Tom Brady
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: or whatever. But you know, it's it's not fair to
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: compare the post Brady drafts to Bratt drafts that you
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: had with Brady.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: I agree, because there's a talent level that you didn't
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: necessarily need to have when Brady was here. Right now,
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: I love the Barmore resigning and I'm not necessarily sure
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: that it's not one that Bill would have mait. It's
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: like Michael and you, they wouldn't have done that. Well,
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: they just did it with Jack Mason five years ago,
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: Like they drafted a guard that really hit and they
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: gave him a big time extension. Now they pulled the
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: plug in the middle of the extension. But that's different,
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: Like they did give him a second contract. And I
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: think there are other guys that he feels like. I
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: think we have no way of knowing this, but I
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: think he may have felt Barmel was different because Barbera
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: was special as opposed to maybe to Evan's point about
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: Dugger and Mapu. Maybe he just feels like Douger is
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: just another guy, and maybe he wouldn't have got that
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: could be, you know what I mean, I'd listen to
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: that argument. You know, And we have no way of
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: knowing for sure because Bill's not here anymore obviously, But
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: I think he might have treated Barmore a little bit.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I think I do too.
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, and I don't think he broke the bank either.
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: I think that was a really team friendly deal.
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: No, I think that's a good point, Paul. That's what
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: I mean. That that's been the hard thing is like
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: I don't really nextinarily. I mean, there was a time
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: last year when I was saying, like and when you
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's good, but I don't, I mean, Duggar,
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: he's good. But but Barmore, You're right, like maybe he would.
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: And I think the state of the offensive line would
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: have led to an extension because I feel like he
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: might have looked at it and said, we got to
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: somebody gotta have somebody to bank or this thing. David
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: Andrews is going to be around forever. Yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I just want to let everyone know coming up at
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: around one o'clock. We're going to be joined by Field
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Yates from ESPN. Obviously, he was a NonStop on ESPN
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: on TV over the weekend with draft and you know
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: he's dived as deep into the draft as anyone over there.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: So we'll get his opinion. He's got his new England roots.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: We talk to him at the combarm.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, always interested to see what the Patriots are doing
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: and hear from him from his perspective. So we'll do
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: that around one o'clock or so. So that's that'll be.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: That'll be fun. You guys have your questions ready for him.
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: Yes, I have one question for him.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: You do nothing? How did you get in the business.
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: We've talked about that before though.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Okay, all right, can we get Mina Chimes.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: I've tried to get Mina Chimes. She's a tough get,
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: is that right. She's a busy gal for Taylor Kyles.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: That's true, that's true, and I hold out against her.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: Maybe you need to work on your DM game.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: I don't think Jess would like that they've got a
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: DM game. Being bad is a good thing.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Yeah, so that's that's good news. Christian
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Barmore locked up. Now, you know, I think in terms
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: of like his potential and you compare it to Dougger,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: he's bar more special. I think, Yeah, Dougger's good by
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I ain't bar more special. I hope that now that
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: he's got his bag, that he keeps up that you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: energy that he's shown the last couple of years.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: He doesn't know any other way, Fred, I mean, you
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: just talked to him, just stand at his locker and
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: he's just can't He's got a move. He is just
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: that kind of guy.
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: So he seems to really love football too.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: I've had a lot of conversations with him about like technique,
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: like real football minutia type of stuff, and he's he's
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: a craftsman, like he works on it like you can tell.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: And I think he really really likes DeMarcus Covington a lot.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: So whatever the knock on him coming out of Alabama was,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: it seems that that's gone away.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Oh boy. Yeah, remember Warren Sap. Warren Sap had a
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: whole thing of like I wouldn't draft this guy with
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: a ten foot poll Yeah that makes sense.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think, you know, defensively, I was looking
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: around at some of the the other depth charts on
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: our lads and things like that. And honestly, if Christian
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: Gonzales and is as good as he was for the
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: month that he was healthy last year, the Patriots defense
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: is as good as anybody on paper, you know, just
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: in terms of how deep they are, and you really
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: think so yeah, I really think so yeah. I mean
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: they have assuming Judoon comes back and is on this team.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: You know, Judan, Barmore, Gonzales are potentially three Pro Bowl
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: caliber players.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Are you factoring in the loss of one Bill Belichick?
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: Maybe not as much as you but yeah, I mean,
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: like obviously that's gonna have a game plan impact on them.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: I'm more talking about from like a talent personnel standpoint, yeah,
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: because they still have a lot of like those lunch
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: payal Belichick guys to to supplement the star players, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: to Vibe Bentley, Dietrich Wise, you know those types of
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: guys too. So it's not just the high end talent
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: like maybe other teams. You could argue you have a
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: little bit more of that, like you know, elite, elite,
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: blue chip talent. But if Barmore continues to ascend and
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Gonzalez is as good as he was last year when
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: he was healthy. Then I mean I take the Patriots defense.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean I think you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: we had we did a video yesterday just some of
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: the interesting stuff. It is like some of the positions
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: they maybe didn't necessarily address. It kind of puts a
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: spotlight a little bit on you know, like a mop
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: who didn't draft the free safety type. We kind of
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: talked about Kevin Harris on the offensive side of the ball,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: you know, didn't really draft a running back, so you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: and I think Isaiah Bolden and this Marcellus Dial, I'm
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: really interested to see them because I think we all,
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: you know, kind of feel like they could use another
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: corner like in the mix and.
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, them and Alex Austin, you know, add those If
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: they can get an outside corner that can play some
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: snaps out of those three guys, then.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Inst to keep an eye on shoulder shoulder.
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: Gonzales torn Labor feel so as.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Long as it wasn't those hips the hipstone live hips
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: don't live, no, And you know, in all seriousness, the
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: thing I loved about Gonzales is, you know, like Malcolm
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Butler was feisty, He was a competitor and he you
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: know he but Gonzalez is an athlete, like he does
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: it with with talent, Stean Gilmore like he yeah, Stefan
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Gilmore or dare I say Tylaw? Like he stays with
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: a guy because of his talent, not because of his feistiness.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: You know, he's able to mirror a guy. And to me,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: that's I've always thought that's a rare skill in the NFL.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Like to be able to be that kind of mirror
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: corner in this league is it's a rare commodity. And
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: when you get one of those guys, you don't let
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: him go.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: It's recovery too. I mean I remember in those couple
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: of games. That's what stood out to me was just
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: even when he was kind of taking a half false step,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: like he's good enough that he can recover from that stuff.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: So very excited. I mean there's a lot to I mean,
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Andy was saying that he's excited. You know, I tweeted out,
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: I'm like Jesus, how things have changed. I mean, but
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: I think he's right. You know, there's a lot there's
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: some talent coming back, guys that were good. And then
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, you just you've got a whole bunch of
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: new offensive pieces that it's gonna be fun to just
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: get out there, see what they look like, see what
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: they move like. And I'm just excited to see what
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Joel Milton looks like.
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, with Gonzo, his speed is I'm just going to
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: for I'm just right over that his speed in a
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: straight line, like, I mean, he ran a four to three,
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: so it's obviously there. But he plays to the four
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: to three dial, no Gonzales. Yeah, it dialed though it
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: ran like in the mid four force. It has some
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: length and some ball skills. So you had thirty one
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: pass breakups in college, you know, which is a pretty
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: big number for a college corner So there's some there's
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: some talent there in terms of finding the ball, like
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: their typical type of guy that can play man and
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: find the football and do that kind of thing.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: I'd say that's that's like a thing to watch for me.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: You know this summer is who can a third cornerback
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: kind of emerge? And you know, I still have a cornerback.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah he's still there, but I still think there's questions
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: in the slot. I mean, you know, we can Marcus
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: Jones stay healthy? Can he play the slot full time.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, so I definitely think. I mean, but as
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: Evan pointed out on our little video shoot, maybe somebody
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: like Gilmore or you know, that kind of addition could
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: still possibly happen.
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, if you get the third corner, if you
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: have an outside corner that can play a lot and
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: you know, let's call it sixty five percent of the
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: snaps that you feel really good about, and you have
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones more back inside to Nickel like, then I
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: think that's probably their best combination. Nothing against Marcus Jones,
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: but I think that's probably their best combination. Is if
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: in Alex Austin, Isaiah Olden dial someone like that emerges
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: as the Jason mccorthy type, and then that allows Jones
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: to case.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: I'd love to go back to where when we were
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: like a man team on defense, you know, not have
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: to do zone play like a man. No, but like
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: you know, the more you can put one on one coverage,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the more it frees up your defense to do other things.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, I loved if Gilmore, you know, someone
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: of that ilk came into.
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: Not as much anymore.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: In yeah, you lose the compic formula situation too, not
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: that that matters for the Patriots, but it matters for
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: for a lot of teams, So that could maybe make
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: it a little bit more money.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Was he being asked to be number one in Carolina?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Where when he got.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: Traded down there?
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: But he got traded after Diggs got hurt?
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: He was there number one? Are you talking about Carolina? Dallas?
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: His last stop was Dallas, y Yeah, so he wasn't
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: the number one and down I know that. Yeah, Okay,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: all right, all right, Well, well.
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: At this point I would say that he's probably not
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: going to sign until camp, Yeah, because he would he
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: would have signed initially if he got like maybe years
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: in money, But now that he's not going to get that,
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: he's probably like, yeah, I don't want to hear any
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: of the spring crap right in camp if he's looking
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: for that one year reset coming back here where he
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: knows the system and it's a pretty good defense around
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: him and he knows Gerrod, Like I could see that
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: him thinking, well, that's probably where.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: It's not bills off season anymore. It's it's.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: My initial impression would be there's no chance, But because
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: of Gerard, I think there is a chance. I think
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: he would you know, depending on his relationship with Mayo,
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: how he felt about Mayo, I do I don't even
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: see him doing it. The bigger question is not going
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: to get money. I just would think that he would
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: rather go to a contender.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: The bigger question, just for me, outside of specifically to Gilmore,
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: is just you know what guys on the roster that
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: are younger, that haven't really gotten a chance yet, maybe
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: like a map does this administration look at and see,
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: let's get we want to get this guy involved. We
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: want you know, they've they've talked a lot about that,
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: drafting guys, allowing the coaches to work with them, allowing
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: them to play. So you know that's that's in the
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Kevin Harris like is you know, do they see him
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: and say, man, if he wasn't behind Ezekiel Elliot last year,
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: he could have really gotten a chance.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't really feel passionate about any of
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: those guys. I mean, to be honest, I'm curious about
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Mapa though.
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: What about on White?
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: Like I feel like, yeah, White is one of those
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: guys that you just drafted him in the second round,
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: Like you should hope to think that, you know, we
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: keep talking about edge rusher to jump, Well, there's your
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: edge rusher.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Does he kind of play in the guy role? Do
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: they move him more to more hand down defensive end
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: kind of thing? And and kind of quit it with
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: the with the standing up or is armand Watson there?
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: And ke On White continues, I don't think if him
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: as an edge us I don't. I think of him
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: as a guy down.
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think that's where he's been his
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: best wer. Yeah, but I wonder if you know, he
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: comes in a little lighter, you know, and like you
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: say him, why don't you drop ten pounds of you
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: know whatever?
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: And you can sell me on it with the outside
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: linebacker depth because there's really nobody. So if you if
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: you want to come back and tell me Cam White's
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: going to be a pure outside linebacker this year, like.
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: Because I just don't think that he's like a block
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: eating three four end. No, No, he's I think that's
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: what Bill wanted him to do last year. I mean
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: in camp, you remember how many times he would be
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: out there and it just didn't seem like it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: I just think he's too small for that. Like I
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: think that you know, his his strains are obviously like
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: his first step in his athleticism, and I think he's
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: a little bit too clunky to play up on his feet.
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: But if you had him lose some weight and maybe
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: go about it a little bit differently where it's like
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: we're trying to thin out a little bit, then maybe
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: he could he could.
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: Do it a little bit better.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. Eight five five PATS five hundred is
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: the Aceticket hotline web radio at patries dot com is
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: the email address Carries in New Hampshire. What's up? Carry? Hey? Carry?
• 50:52
  Speaker 11: Hello, Hey, Hey, Okay, I wanted to tell you guy,
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: you've taught me most of what I know about football.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry you don't know anything.
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: Long time listener, but I do have to tell you
• 51:06
  Speaker 11: I don't normally listen live today. I just need to
• 51:13
  Speaker 11: tell Paul and Fred to take a deep breath because
• 51:17
  Speaker 11: we don't want to listen to that.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: On this Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry too.
• 51:21
  Speaker 11: Much, arguing, too much arguing. Anyway, that being said, I'm
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: excited about what's coming this year and continue to listen.
• 51:33
  Speaker 11: You guys are the only ones I listen to and
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: thank you for teaching me everything.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: That I know. Okay, well, what makes you excited before
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: you go anything? In particular? You said you're excited about it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 11: Just to change, I think, just to change everywhere from
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: the top down.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, new start.
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: You know, I mean, you know they're not going to
• 51:58
  Speaker 11: hit on every single one of these picks. And I'm
• 52:01
  Speaker 11: okay with that.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good because they won't.
• 52:06
  Speaker 11: Just wait and see how it all all right?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Thanks Carrie, Carrie New Hampshire not happy with the arguing. Yeah, okay,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: this is an argument free zone.
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: She wants no, that's what we will get.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Mike and Bell. Rica writes in starting up by saying,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I love this draft. Drake was my guy. I got
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: to meet him in Detroit and I'm thrilled we got him.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: My only issue is this felt like the same as always,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: albeit with more offense. We moved off the consensus guy
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: of Mitchell. I know, I know he has diabetes. He's
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: a monster. Why can't he go drunk driving?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Well? Come? Then we reached on day three projected right
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: tackle who we have to play out of position because
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: of a whole we decided to not seriously fill at
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: previous opportunities. I like Poke and I really love Baker
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and I hope takes the position change well. But this
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: didn't seem like we drafted all two differently than when
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: we had Bill. What am I missing?
• 53:06
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: We drafted two receivers in all offense.
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: Like literally, I feel like it would have been maybe
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: four defensive players in three offense or maybe four, maybe
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: five and two.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think like he's recognizing that we went offense,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: but I think I think the style is what he's
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: talking about.
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: Like maybe, yeah, I guess I could hear that with
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: the email.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: I feel like when you draft seven of eight offensive players,
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: that is something that hell would freeze over before Bill
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: Belichick did that.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: No, but but it's it's not it's not the fact
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: that they did offense. Its defense. It's it's the quality
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: or you know, players that they could have had verus
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: who they took.
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: But to you or to the email, that's what That's
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: the point.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I just I'm I ranked these players as
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: much as anybody, but like it's just my opinion, you know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: And like when I see these draft grades and stuff
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: like that, I'm like, Okay, so you're going off of
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: your pre draft opinion of these players. Which is all
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: you can do. But what if you're wrong?
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you got to remember we're drafting at the
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: top of every round for the most part, rather than
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: middle or bottom, so that that changes who you have
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to get.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: Also, I think, for whatever reason we still haven't heard yet,
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: but Adie Mitchell, a lot of teams kept passing.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: People passed up so like the.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: Bills could have taken him, the Chiefs could have taken
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: him like they didn't. So I think it's clearly a
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: reason that all those teams skipped him.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Into the state and he could end up being the
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: best of the bunch. You never know.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, George hung over our head for all eternity, could
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: have had AJ Brown.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: That's my that's my biggest fear about this draft is
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: you really have I take Adie Mitchell out of it
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: because he wasn't on their board, like they passed on
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: him multiple times. He wasn't there, like he wasn't going
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: to be a Patriot. But Xavierly get Lad McConkie, Troy Franklin.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: If they looked at those three guys versus the two
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: guys they actually did draft, that's gonna be three years
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: from now if it's gonna be George Pickens Taekwon Thornton
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: all over again.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: Like, do you think they viewed Lad McConkie though, was
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: too similar to Pop Douglas Like.
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: No, I mean maybe, but I think they're different, very
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: different players. Like Lad mcconkee is a is a deep threat,
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: like he's just he's a you want to small guys.
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: I think it was more about the size in the
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: play strength, yeah, than necessarily stylistically. But you know, Lad
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: mccakie is one hundred and eighty six pounds.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: You know, that's what Baker are both like six to
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: one and change and over two hundred pounds. I mean
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: they're both pretty thick dudes that you know.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: How much does Pop Way.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: Like one hundred and eighty pounds, Yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: Similar to yes, less I think best Maybe Pop Pop
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: small too, Yeah, Pops short, but.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: It's a good compliment to the other. Two guys talked
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: about inside outside and outside and an inside.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: That's one thing I've thought about it is just in
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: talking about these receivers and stuff like that. You know,
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: everybody's like, well they don't have anybody with any real speed.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Well they have Pop Douglas. Like Pop Pop Douglas is
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: a fast guy. Like even down the field, he's a
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: fast guy. I mean, we saw it last year that
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: he's got legit game speed. So I know everybody's well,
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: maybe this is finally taekwon Thornton's chance.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: Like no, no, and to that point, that's that's a
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: can can Javon Baker get off the line? You know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: like that's a big question for me. How does he
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: look against you know, going up against Gonzales in practice
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: when we see these guys like.
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: Straightjack fair match.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: When Drake May finally becomes the starting quarterback, who will
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: be his binkie out of this group?
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Jaylen Polk. I mean, and I think Pop Pop
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: would have a level of that too.
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: I would hope, you know, just with his you know
• 56:51
  Speaker 8: about not signing guys to Mario, Douglas is a guy
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: that Bill wouldn't give a second contract. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: like I six rounder every where I created him. Now
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: someone's going to overpay him quote but you know, overpay him.
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: We got the best years out of him.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: They'll let him go.
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: I was gonna say, like, I just why do if
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: you pour so much into that and he becomes good,
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: why would you let him walk?
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: And he'll think that the first four years will be
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: the best four years of his career and he's going
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: to go down.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah at that size, that skill set. Yeah, they let on, right,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: they let it on.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: Watch want to know one of them?
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: That's a big concern about Papa is the concussions that
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: have already added up, and the injuries and all that
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: kind of stuff. But if he doesn't have to be
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: a high volume guy like last year they were trying
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: to feed him the ball because he's the best player
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: on the field.
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: He got a stretch there where he was getting a
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: ton of targets.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Right, All right, Uh, we'll take a break from this
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: conversation because joining us now is Field Yates of ESPN. Field,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: can you hear me?
• 57:49
  Speaker 12: You're okay? What's going on?
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 57:52
  Speaker 12: I'm great? Thank you? Thanks for having me on exciting
• 57:54
  Speaker 12: times right now in New England.
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: Seeing you have a lot of rich mahogany behind you.
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: I barn it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 12: I took it off of a Reese's paycheck. That's how
• 58:02
  Speaker 12: I paid for it.
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: I know how that works.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Field. It's good talking with you. Of course, you've got
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: your New England roots. But now you're covering the league
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: as a whole. But I'm sure that you always have
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: a keen eye as to what the Patriots are doing.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: What was your opinion of how draft weekend turned out
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: for the Patriots.
• 58:22
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think this has the weekend. This is the
• 58:23
  Speaker 12: potential to be the weekend.
• 58:25
  Speaker 13: And I know this is what everybody says about every draft,
• 58:27
  Speaker 13: but the potential to be the weekend to set the
• 58:29
  Speaker 13: course for the Patriots future. Drake May and I said
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: this from the moment that the draft order was set
• 58:36
  Speaker 13: for the non playoff teams, that there was no such
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: thing as a consolation prize amongst the top three quarterbacks.
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: The three months.
• 58:43
  Speaker 13: Between the end of the regular season and the start
• 58:46
  Speaker 13: of the NFL Draft, we're going to determine who went one, two,
• 58:49
  Speaker 13: and three. But I really felt strongly that all three
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: of them merited top three pick consideration, and depending on
• 58:56
  Speaker 13: the year, any of them could have easily been the
• 58:58
  Speaker 13: number one player in the entire draft. So the fact
• 59:01
  Speaker 13: that the Patriots stood at number three resisted the temptation
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: to move back, and I understand that temptation. There's evidence
• 59:08
  Speaker 13: that suggests that having a ton of extra draft capo,
• 59:11
  Speaker 13: it can be very, very valuable. But you know, there's
• 59:13
  Speaker 13: nothing more important in roster building in football than having
• 59:17
  Speaker 13: a quarterback who can make everything else go. And the
• 59:19
  Speaker 13: Patriots now have that in Drake May, and they use
• 59:22
  Speaker 13: six of their subsequent seven picks on offense, which was
• 59:25
  Speaker 13: a sign that, hey, we have the quarterback in place.
• 59:28
  Speaker 13: But it doesn't matter if you're the you know, if
• 59:30
  Speaker 13: you're a rookie quarterback, or if you're at the very
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: top of the food chain like Patrick Mahomes right now
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: for the Chiefs, We're going to continue to invest in
• 59:37
  Speaker 13: you because it's still the ultimate team sport and we
• 59:40
  Speaker 13: have a lot of work to do to help get
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: Drake May to where we believe he can get to.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Are you in the sit him for a while or
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: are you in the camp of he needs to get
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: right out there.
• 59:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm okay with sitting Drake May for a little
• 59:53
  Speaker 12: while here.
• 59:54
  Speaker 13: And maybe I'm a little bit too old school for
• 59:55
  Speaker 13: the modern era of the NFL, but I believe that
• 59:59
  Speaker 13: one of the reasons in which we see young quarterbacks
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 13: play so often is that there's pressure for these gms
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 13: and head coaches that they understand that you know, they
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 13: only have so much of a leash to work with here.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 13: We see so much turnover in those positions around the NFL.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 13: I don't think that's the case here with the Patriots,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 13: though obviously with Gerrod Mayo and Elliott Wolf both in
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 13: their first years in their respective positions.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 12: This does align as an.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 13: Opportunity for a team to say, if the quarterback isn't ready,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 13: or if they feel like playing Drake may right out
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 13: of the shoots can do equally as much bad as
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 13: it can good, then maybe it's a chance for Jacobe
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 13: Brissett to start some number of games to begin this
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: season one, two, ten, seventeen. I don't know the answer,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 13: to be specific, but I'm an advocate for it. If
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 13: the player is not fully ready, it's gonna be really hard.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 13: If Drake may does some of the stuff that I ankisobey,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 13: he'll do. I know you guys have all watched him
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 13: endlessly right now, but wait till first Patriots training camp
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 13: practice is open to the public, because the fans are
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 13: going to see up close and personal what kind of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 13: a special.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 12: Player this is.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: And you're gonna have moments during training camp they're gonna
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 13: make you say wow.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Now you're talking about Joe Milton, right. I've always.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: That's but Drake's gonna have enough moments they're going to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 13: a wow you that people are gonna say, how can
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 13: we not.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 12: Play this kid? Right away?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 13: That being said, I do think there is something to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 13: be learned in a young quarterbacks a trajectory from seeing
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 13: it from sideline view for a little bit. I'm not
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 13: talking about three years here, I'm talking about any three
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: games that might be what it takes for the Patriots
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: to feel like Drake May is more ready.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: Phil, we talked to you, thanks for talking to us
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: at the combine and uh Elliot Wolf saying Patriots got
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: to weaponize their offense. What did you think of the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: two picks there, Polk and Baker.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 13: Yeah, If anybody here listens to the first Draft show,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 13: thank you first of all, But second of all, you'll
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 13: know that Mel and I try to do our best
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 13: to not spend all day talking about just the guys
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 13: that will go at the very top of the draft,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 13: and we did our favorites list.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 12: It's our players.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 13: It could go not in round one or most likely
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 13: not in round one that we just loved and loved
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 13: studying them love something about their game, loved everything about
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 13: their game. And the captain of my team was Jalen Polk.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 13: I felt strongly about this player throughout the process. I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 13: feel as though in a really really deep wide receiver
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: class he might have been the most underappreciated of all
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: of them. Jalen Polk is a dog. I know that's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: kind of a cliche, but this kid is so tough.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 13: He's got vice gript hands. The analogy that I continue
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 13: to use is he is a low post player in
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 13: the NBA twenty five years ago. Not a lot of flash,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: a lot of substance. He just gets buckets. There's just
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 13: he just consistently moves the chains. And we talk about
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 13: great hands in football, and we think about highlight reel catches,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: right the Odell Beckham junior catch with two fingertips, and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 13: those are great, Those are remarkable. I'm not trying to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 13: take away from the merits of those I think about
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 13: great hands. I think about and you guys have all
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 13: followed this team long enough to know, for you know,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 13: there's some great, great players that have come through this
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 13: Patriots franchise for a long time, Guys who just consistently
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 13: made clutch. Troy Brown a great example there, right, Like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 13: Troy just made catches reliably.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ball in his.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 12: Back hip, he just he made the catch.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 13: It wasn't necessarily these catches that gets you on the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 13: Sports Enter Top ten, but rather just clutch production plays.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 13: And I thought Jalen Polk just made catches consistently, really
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 13: good body control as well. One of my favorite players, truly,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 13: one of my favorite players in the entire class.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Will you talk about guys like Troy Brown and Edelman
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: and Welker, guys that just moved the chain consistently. I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: felt all those guys had very, very high football IQs.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: You know, do you have any indication of Poke's IQ
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: when it comes to football?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 13: Yeah, the IQ and the character are a plus, I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: mean outstanding. That's part of the consideration when you're sitting
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 13: there at thirty seven, I know they were thirty four
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 13: before they moved back, is that the board was kind
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 13: of wide open there, right. You had a bunch of
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 13: different wider seats that could have merited consideration right there,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 13: and they ended up adding some extra draft capital and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: then uh and then taking Jalen Polk. I believe was
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 13: it the fourth that they got in the deal that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: they used on uh.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 12: Baker as well.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, is that correct? One? Yeah?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 13: I have to two hundred and fifty seven pick. Some
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 13: of it's still blur to me. I know they gave
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 13: it a fifth to La and picked up the force.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 13: That was where they got Javon Baker, but a third
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 13: and seventh pick, Like, there are some real good candidates
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 13: to take besides Jalen Polk.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 12: The thirty seven was a signed of not just the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 12: skill set.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 13: Physically, but also the mentality, the IQ, the person, the character.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 13: They have a young quarterback now in Drake May, and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 13: you want to make sure that you support him with
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 13: the right people. We think about that if the coach,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 13: the offensive coordinator, you know, the you know, the position coach,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 13: they'll be working with you name it. But some of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: the people as well on the roster. What kind of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 13: guys do you want to have around your young quarterback?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 13: They're going to help elevate him in the same way
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 13: that he can help elevate them. And I feel like
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 13: Jalen Polk is like that. I had a chance. I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 13: loved him throughout the process. I went to Washington prote
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 13: got a chance to see him up close and personal,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 13: and him and Roma Dunze, who of course went ninth
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 13: to the Bears, like those are truly special young men
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 13: as well, the kind of guys that the minute they
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 13: walk into a room, they kind of changed the chemistry
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 13: of it. So that was a big ad for the Patriots.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 13: You know, I saw the people. There were some belly aching.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 13: Apparently Jalen Pole went too high according to various boards.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 13: I had him forty second on my board, and I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 13: don't know, I have four hundred players graded, so you know,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 13: forty two for me, it was right in line with
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 13: about where he went, and I thought this kid was
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 13: an absolute stud.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: So I was great with that pick.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 13: Javon Baker was that was a value based off my board.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 13: He was believe, seventy second on my board, so that's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: a you know, good value there in the fourth round.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 13: But again this is in some ways it's just what
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 13: are we doing to empower our young quarterback? And we're
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 13: using six of our final eight selections excuse me, six
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 13: of our final seven on offensive pieces. Maybe you want
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: to call it five out of seven because one of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 13: them was also a quarterback. But the point is the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 13: Patriots went offense heavy throughout this draft, and while there's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 13: still work to do, it's a good step forward to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 13: help Drake may feel like, Hey, this team's trying to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 13: surround me with the right pieces.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Ye Tamara Hi?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: What was Tamara Hi?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: What was your opinion of the Patriots double dipping at quarterback?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: And what do you think of the pick?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: Overall?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 13: Joe was one of the most fascinating players, regardless of position,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 13: in the entire class. I had so many conversations with
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 13: people during the process, saying where do you think Joe
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 13: Milton will go? And nobody could quite pinpoint what the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 13: exact round or pick would be for Joe because some
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 13: of it with Joe during the evaluation is you saw
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: what you wanted to see, but if you tried, if
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 13: you took a big step back and just like took
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 13: all the various exposures and try to condense them down
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 13: into one single vision, what I saw was a player who,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 13: if coached up correctly and not rushed into action, has
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 13: a chance to develop into something in the NFL.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 12: What does that something mean?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 13: I don't know, specifically becoming a starting quarterback after being
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: taken in the was it sixth round, fifth round again?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 12: I'm sorry if I.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 13: Patriots fans probably would disagree with this, but that's hard
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 13: to do, right.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 12: I mean, you know, Tom Brady is one to one
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 12: in so many ways.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: It's high.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and that no one knowing becomes a starter from
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 13: one ninety two. It's only that one ninety nine spot
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 13: that matters. But Joe like the Patriots, and maybe this
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 13: is the Elliot wolf factor.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 12: I don't know exactly why.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 13: Well, who is you know, the most responsible for winning?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 13: I guess I guess every pick is Elliott's most responsible for.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 13: But I don't know which voices in the room were
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 13: also arguing for the sport of Joe Milton.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 12: But they want to be a quarterback factory. You want
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 12: to have an arm in the pipeline every single year.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 13: And you know, I feel like it's good business to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 13: be drafted one almost every single year. We've seen teams
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 13: that have done so, and you're not going to hit
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 13: on all of them, but if you hit on one
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 13: or two of them every five or eight or ten years,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 13: it's a great business. It's gonna help you out. So
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 13: Joe's so fascinating. He's an awesome kid, he's a great dude.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 13: He's had to pay his dues. Joe has has not
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 13: been easy. He kind of came to Michigan with a
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 13: ton of fanfare and you know, the potential fourth star recruit.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 12: He had to wait.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 13: He basically had one year as a starting quarterback at
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 13: the college level, one full season. But I mean, as
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 13: we all know, massive arm, the most effortless arm I've
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 13: seen in person in the college ranks for quite some time.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 13: I was good athlete too. An eighty plus yard touchdown
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 13: run last year. There's something to work with with Joe.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 13: It's a project. But you know, in the sixth round,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 13: those are the kind of sort of swing for the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 13: fences type of picks that I think are worthwhile.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: You know, some on this show feel like by getting
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: a guy like Joe Milton, who has such unique talents,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: but it's you're creating maybe unnecessary noise for a first
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: round pick who also you need to develop any What
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: do you think about that? You know, I don't.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 12: I don't think in the sixth round you're doing that.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: That's my opinion. I understand that that that thought and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 12: sentiment I've seen it. I didn't. I didn't interpret it that.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 13: Way personally, And part of that I think is probably
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 13: like knowing the character of Drake a little bit, had
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 13: a chance to spend actually most of least until the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 13: until the third pick, the evening prior to the draft,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 13: right around the May family and competitions in the blood
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 13: of Drake May. I mean all three of his brothers
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 13: were there, and they were you could just see it,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 13: right like I could. You could see the competitive fire
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 13: of the four of them. We're kind of horsing around
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 13: before the draft, having a blast, like getting ready for
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 13: this special moment. And I don't think Drake is going
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 13: to be bothered by the presence of somebody, right He
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 13: forever has had to kind of scratch and crawl and
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 13: claude to become, you know, kind of the person he
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 13: is today because he had three older brothers who were
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 13: all star athletes, I mean three who played Division one sports,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 13: you know, national champions and basketball and baseball and you know,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 13: a big programs. So I don't I'd be surprised if
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 13: this like created like this inherent I'm sure, you know,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 13: sort of uncertainty for Drake. I feel like he'll he'll
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 13: he'll be cool with it.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: I do.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 13: I don't know that for a fact. I would guess
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 13: that though, but I was, I was more fun with it.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 13: If it's a third round pick, then we got a problem. Yeah,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 13: you know, but the sixth round, one ninety two, Like,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 13: at some point there are only so many players on
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 13: the take. So I was, I thought that was a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 13: you know, reasonable way to approach.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: That pick field.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: Bill Belichick was obviously on with Pat McAfee on ESPN
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: during the draft, and they showed a draft board it
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: seemed to be team needs that were behind him, and uh,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: some people thought that maybe it was you know, I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: weren't sure if those were actually Bill's needs for teams
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: or if like you guys had handed it. I'm not
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: sure if you knew, uh you know, who was the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: one that was constructing that board. But it was just interesting,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: you know, to see what he thought of the Patriots roster,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: you know, obviously after he was just a coach here
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: not too long ago.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think those were I think so I know
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 13: that was my bore that you saw. They're my top
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 13: fifty and such. Are you asking about the cornerback things specifically, Evan.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the court It well was just obviously, you know,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: weird to see corner back up there compared to the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: receiver or something like that. But I was just wondering,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: if you know, did it was did Bill have a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: hand in those needs, because I'm interested, you know, about
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: his thoughts on the.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: Roster that he just coached.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 13: Obviously, yeah, I'm almost positive and I'll pull the file
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 13: up right now. I did not have cornerback on my
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 13: Patriots needless now I did not, So you know, I
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 13: think Bill had some influence there of how the needs
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 13: were conveyed because I just pulled it up that I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 13: did not have. I had, believe it or not, quarterback,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 13: wide receiver. So that for my needs Patriots.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, but you know that.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 13: So if you're if you're asking like, how could cornerback
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 13: be a need for the Patriots? The question might be
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 13: you have one, you know, potential megastar in Gonzo Uh,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 13: you have another solid starter in Jonathan Jones. Obviously, you
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 13: have Marcus Jones hoping for you know, for for great
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 13: things in a bounce back year this year? Do you
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 13: need more size than that cornerback group, which, by the way,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 13: they got Marcellus Diele, who I had. He had been
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 13: mentioned on the First Draft podcast as a value pick
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 13: about ten days prior to the draft being beginning, So
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 13: I was a fan of the player there, but I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 13: personally felt like, you know, the needs were stronger, you know,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 13: across the offensive line, I mean across the offensive board
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 13: pretty much, you know, wide receiver, offensive tackle, quarterback, and
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 13: any kind of supplementary offensive line.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 8: Investments, field and your dealings with the various personnel guys.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: I'm just wondering if there was a consensus about Jayden
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: Daniels and Drake May. You know, I know you you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: started off, did not get that. Did you feel like
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: there were anybody that felt May was better than Daniels?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: Like that's kind of That's kind of how we felt here,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: you know, going in, and I don't know if we
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: convinced ourselves sort of knowing that we had the third pick,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: but I like a lot about what Drake May does
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  Speaker 8: over Jayden Daniels. I'm just curious what the you know,
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  Speaker 8: some of the executives might have thought that you spoke to.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, it leaned towards Jayden versus Drake, but everybody also
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 13: has a little bit of a different perspective on this.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 13: I would say the most popular refrain when assessing the
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 13: case for Drake over Jayden is that the long term
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 13: potential nutside Trader and I, by the way, I see
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 13: a plausible case that I had Jaden asquarterback to Drake's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 13: quarterback three. But you know, I mean, guys, we're splitting
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 13: hairs here obviously, but you know, the physical skill set
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 13: in the upside that Drake brings to the table is ridiculous.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 13: You just don't find guys with that kind of size,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 13: that kind of in pocket mobility, that kind of out
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 13: out of pocket mobility, the ability to manipulate the defenders
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 13: with his eyes down the field. The arm strike is great, obviously,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 13: the character is you know, off the charts great. You know,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 13: the age I think is a factor as well. Durability
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 13: and if you're looking at through the New England lens, right,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 13: you need a guy who's built for the weather. I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 13: don't know exactly, but it feels like the Patriots over
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 13: the past couple of years have been absolutely I mean,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 13: especially in the winter, it's just been terrible weather, game
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 13: after game after game, and you know, I mean there
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 13: are games in which was the Jets game last year
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 13: where it was like, what like five completions in the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 13: first quarters or something ridiculous. You know, you got to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 13: have a guy that has a rocket arm. You just
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 13: do big hands, rocket arm, can you know, take on
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 13: you know the weather, and then take on some hits
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 13: as well. So you know, to me, Drake may had
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 13: an easy case to be quarterback two in this class.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 13: I'd say more than anything though that the line that
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 13: I used earlier was the most important one in my eyes,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 13: which is, if there is no consolation prize of those three,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 13: it's really a matter of how each of those three
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 13: teams developed them because as we know in the NFL,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 13: you know, quarterbacks obviously don't always live up to expectations,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 13: but sometimes the teams fail the player as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, all right field, I really appreciate you joining us.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: It was great to hear and talk with you. So
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: where can we get more of you on ESPN's What's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: on the map for twenty twenty four for you?
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  Speaker 13: Gosh, I hope nothing for a while here, but we'll see. No,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 13: I'm kidding them that. I We'll just keep rocking and roll.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 13: First Draft is wrapped up for the season, so we
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 13: had a blast there and Fantasy football season. I started
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 13: my rankings this morning, so we're rocking and rolling. And
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 13: then I had my first twelve players for twenty twenty
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 13: five NFL's raft up here.
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  Speaker 12: My grease board right here too. So we're going to
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  Speaker 12: keep ranking away one way or the other. All right,
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  Speaker 12: fields have no shot.
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  Speaker 6: Are you a Calvin bankster or Will Campbell guy?
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  Speaker 8: Say that?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 12: What we're talking Evan?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: Are you a Calvin Bankster or Will Campbell guy?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 12: Well, you know a little biased.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 13: And I spent the past week in Detroit, uh and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 13: you know I heard everybody's talking about Will Campbell. But
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 13: I mean these these are you know, breaking that time
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 13: will be a fun problem for the next eleven and
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 13: a half months to debate. But I tell you what, Well,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 13: Campbell had a great chance to catch up with Wink Martindale.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 13: He's now the DC at Michigan, and to say that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 13: he's fired up about Will Campbell would be the understatement
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 13: of the year.
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  Speaker 15: What's going on with Brian Horror these days?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 16: I think it would take a great opportunity to come
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 16: along for me to do that. Obviously, I was in
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 16: Las Vegas last year. I know I can still play
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 16: because I beat the Patriots last year, one of the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 16: most to the list of the sweet moments of my career.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 16: So we'll talk about that later. But you know, so
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 16: I know I can still physically do it. But at
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 16: thirty eight years old, my kids are getting older. You know,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 16: I think it would take a really great opportunity for me,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 16: you know, to come along, for me to to kind
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 16: of look and see. But so I know I can
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 16: still do it. Body feels relatively healthy, and you know,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 16: so we'll see. It's it's always open. People always say,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 16: you know, you if someone's offering you an opportunity to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 16: play and you feel like you could do it, you know,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 16: you know, I remember a former teammate saying play till
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 16: they tell you you can't. So definitely capable of it.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 16: It's just got to be I think, the right opportunity
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 16: at this point, you know.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 15: It It's like us sit there and oh, you know,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 15: he can play, or it's time to go, and everything
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 15: like that. But I don't think the lay people realize
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 15: what's it like to make that decision as a family. Yeah,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 15: when you have a wife who's supported you cross country trips,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 15: taking kids back and forth, at some point in time,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 15: her decision or her opinion, while always valued, you got
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 15: to really listen to that's got to be hard, like
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 15: from as a family standpoint, like at what point time
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 15: do I need to devote my time to them? Right?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: And that's a huge part of the decision making.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 16: So that's why I said, like, it have to be
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 16: the right opportunity and all those things, because you know,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 16: deciding to go to play in Las Vegas last year, it.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: Was not an easy choice.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 16: It was an easy choice because it was Josh in
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 16: my relationship with him, but it wasn't an easy choice
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 16: in the regards of what does this mean for my family?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 16: And thankfully we had a great school here that allowed
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 16: our kids to kind of virtual school with the help
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 16: of a tutor out there.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: But it was rough.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 16: It was it was a rough transition, and they were
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 16: all happy to come back once the season was over.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 16: And so now my son, he's going into seventh grade,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 16: he's he got accepted as Avarian brother. So you know,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 16: those are all things that you have to take into account,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 16: Like I want to watch him play football at of course.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: He's watched me played for a long time. So maybe
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: it's times, you know, for.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 8: A role reverse when you have when you came out
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 8: of Michigan State, I mean, you didn't get drafted, yep,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: And I don't know what your expectations were heading in,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: but to then have what a fifteen year career off
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: of that, what were your expectations sort of when you
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 8: arrived here in two thousand and nine, what were you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: nolping for.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 16: I was just talking about this with my son the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 16: other day, and I said, listen, when I didn't get drafted,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 16: you know, I kind of thought, Okay, the Patriots are
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 16: going to sign me.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: I'll learn from Tom Brady.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 16: Obviously, I grew up I watched Bill coach in Cleveland,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 16: so I always kind of had an affinity to him,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 16: and obviously him being a great coach, I thought it
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 16: was a great opportunity to go learn. And I thought,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 16: you know, maybe i'll make the practice squad if I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 16: get released. At least I'll learn from these guys. And
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 16: then sure enough, I kind of worked my way up
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 16: the ranks and then it be and Tom's backup my
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 16: rookie year. And you know, the things that I learned
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 16: in those first four years were so invaluable to me
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 16: that when I finally got some opportunities to play, you know,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 16: you put those in motion and then you just keep
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 16: stack in years, stack in years, and and you know,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 16: the thing about the quarterback position is if you're relatively
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 16: competent and you're a good guy, and you make some connections,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 16: you know, you just extend your career, extend your career.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 16: That's I mean, when I look at last year, if
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 16: if Josh isn't the head coach in Las Vegas last year,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 16: then you know, maybe my my my career ends there.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 16: But you know, luckily for me, I've met a lot
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 16: of great coaches, played with a lot of great players,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 16: and made a lot of great connections which allowed me.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: To do that.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 15: That's a little bit unorthodox Brian as a rookie. Now
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 15: you're backing up Brady, who's, by the way, is coming
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 15: off a knee surgery at that point in time, and
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 15: you're the only backup quarterback your rookie year. That was
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 15: the same way in twenty ten, you're the only backup court. Like,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 15: not a lot of teams did that.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Well, how did that?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 15: What was your thought process in that? Like you want
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 15: to talk about literally next man up and you're one
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 15: pitch away. Yeah, you're one pitch away at that.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: I think I was too naive to even understand that
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: at that point.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 16: You know, now looking back, when you realize, like Tom's
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 16: coming off of major knee reconstruction, had you know, some
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 16: hiccups along the way. Man, if I had had to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 16: play that year, I don't know how ready I would
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 16: have been. Obviously Bill believed in me, and Bill O'Brien
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 16: believed to me, and and so I'm sure it would have,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 16: you know, worked itself out. We had a really good team,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 16: So I think I would have relied on those guys
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 16: around me. But you know, at that point, you're just
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 16: I was just thrilled to be an NFL football player
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 16: and now I'm going to a meeting room every day
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 16: with Tom Brady and soaking up what I can I
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 16: can learn from him. And then you know, that went
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 16: for four years and then until I got released in
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 16: twenty twelve. So I mean those years, like you know,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 16: those are kind of like, you know, the years you're
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 16: building your foundation of your career, and I couldn't have
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 16: done it in a better place.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 8: So I wanted to ask you a little bit about
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 8: that rookie season. You were part of some really good teams,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 8: and you know, ultimately you were part of a champion
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 8: in eighteen, but you know, you had that great year
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 8: in two thousand and twenty eleven, You go to the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 8: super Bowl in two thousand and nine. You probably didn't
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 8: recognize it at the time. It's your rookie year, but
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: do you kind of look back and say, there was
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 8: a little bit of something amiss in two thousand and nine.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 8: That's sort of the way it's kind of viewed here.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: That was kind of a reset year, and we're very
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: spoiled because we've been brought up a.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Lot like when I didn't know any better.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: So ten is going to the playoffs and all that
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: stuff is not I thought it was great.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I'm a great but did you did
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: you see did.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: You sense any like sort of dysfunction at the time,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: or you know, maybe looking back at it, do you
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 8: feel like that wasn't the same as some of the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 8: better teams that you were on.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 16: Definitely wasn't the same. I think looking back now, knowing
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 16: what I know and being on some great teams, it wasn't.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 16: There was definitely some learning curve, there was some adjusting
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 16: to new I mean, that was Bill O'Brien's first year
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 16: as a coordinator here, you know, so now I know
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 16: how important that is, you know, being a quarterback when
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 16: you're learning, even if you're keeping somewhat of the system intact,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 16: you're working with someone new, and and that was you know,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 16: so those were kind of I guess you call growing pains.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 16: But I thought, like, man, we're going to the playoffs,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 16: like we're this is I'm on the page. This is
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 16: like a super Bowl organization. Like Okay, one year, you know,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 16: we didn't win the Super Bowl, and I'm like, oh,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 16: we'll win it next year. I mean, I think that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 16: that's kind of the expectation you have when you come
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 16: into that organization. And I've always said this, I've always
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 16: looked at it. When Tom Brady was the quarterback, I
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 16: never went into a game thinking we're not going to win. Ever,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 16: there was never and I well, I've been on other
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 16: teams whether I was the quarterback or someone else is
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 16: the quarterback, and I'm like, man, I don't know how
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 16: much a chance we have this Sunday. And I can
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 16: honestly say every game that I ever played here backing
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 16: Tom up that there was I never had that feeling,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 16: and obviously a lot of other players around that. But
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 16: you know, when I talk with a lot of my
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 16: old teammates, I think that that feeling was very you know, similar.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 17: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 17: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 1:23:50
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  Speaker 12: And now moments in.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: History.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: I know it's I know it could easily go the
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 6: other way and they could be in the super Bowl
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: next year. Nobody would be that shocked.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 8: But I just it's not.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: I feel like it's being like they are a top
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: ten team in power rankings and all this stuff, and
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: it's it's being talked about like it's like guaranteed that
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: that's gonna work.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Thinking about like Brice Hall being back, you know, like.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that doesn't move the needle for me.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: Well who's who's who?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 8: But I agree, I agree with what you're saying. I'm
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: just saying I don't.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: Who would you pick them in Miami? Just take Patriots
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: out of this, take back Patriots and Bills out of
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: the situation. Who do you think is the better team
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: between the.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: Jets of Aaron and Jets Jets? I think Miami. What
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: I think Miami based on what their talent and the Jets. Now,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 8: now if you're asking me who I'm going to invest in,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 8: I think there's a better chance that Aaron Rodgers play
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 8: seventeen games than two. Yeah, that's a big one, right,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: But if I think at full strength, I think Miami's better. Yeah,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 8: that's okay, you don't have to agree. He's like he's
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 8: disgusted that when you do that, he like turned your
• 1:25:00
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  Speaker 3: Guys? How are y'all good? Hey?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 18: I love that Phillyates interview man. Always respected Field ever
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  Speaker 18: since you've been covering the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: He works hard.
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  Speaker 18: They also did I agree with Evan with the Joe
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 18: Milton situation, and uh, just just kind of wondering what
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 18: you guys think, uh, in terms of who's gonna be
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 18: gotting Drake may through this process?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, is it gonna be a VP?
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  Speaker 5: Yep?
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  Speaker 3: I think for the most part, but I think, you know,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: I think mcadoo's gonna help, and yeah, McCartney's gonna take
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: up Jacoby Jacob yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm ahead.
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  Speaker 18: I'm good with Jacoby Brissette going into it with him.
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  Speaker 18: I'm good with that. I guess I'm not just I'm
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 18: not sold on the a VP situation. Uh, I would
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  Speaker 18: like to get your guys opinion. I'll take it off
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  Speaker 18: the air.
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  Speaker 3: I love you guys, Thank thanks, Jackson, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know about I think I'm less sold
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  Speaker 6: about a VP the play caller than I am ABE
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: the quarterbacks coach. I mean, this guy played quarterback in
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: the league and has been coaching quarterbacks for like twenty years.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, I'm not I understand that they're not
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: all hits. No one has straight hits all the time,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: but you know, he's worked with some really good quarterbacks
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: and guys that he's helped I think. I mean, I
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: remember in Green Bay when he got let go of
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers was not happy about it. You know, Aaron
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: Rodgers really went it went to bad for him publicly.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: And yeah, and you know there's a lot of things
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: about especially like the way their footwork and their their
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: fakes on play actions and stuff like that that he
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: coaches that kind of hide the ball and he coaches
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: to you know, keep it here and then use your
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: your other hand and that kind of sells the fake
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: to the defeni Little things like that that I feel
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 6: like I can say, oh, you know, he's there's some
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: new ones.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Who who on the team will be
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: able to say, other than obviously his performance in the field,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: but who on the team will be able to say
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: a VP is doing a good job with him. Ben
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: mcadoo's like, because Gerard's a defensive crime, you know, and
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: he didn't like it's hard to tell individually. Will he'd
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: be able to know, yeah, he's doing right by Drake Mill.
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  Speaker 5: Again, I mean I think it just looks the comfort
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  Speaker 5: in the offense, and especially with the quick reads and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: you know, seeing what's open and you know it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Yah, Don Tuck and Bryan.
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  Speaker 8: Just like he's going to come in at a baseline
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  Speaker 8: of ability. Does that gradually go up? Remember Bill used
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 8: to say they come in here and then once they
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: stop ascending is when you have to cut ties. So
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: those little things, you know, we talk about all the cliches,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: the footwork, the accuracy. If that looks like it's improving,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 8: I would credit whoever's working directly with him. Yeah, I
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: will say this about Alex mann Pelt. I've talked to
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 8: a couple of guys that are not with the team anymore.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: Brian Hoyer very briefly drew bled, like these guys rave
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: about him the person Alex Repelt the person now Hoyer
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: played for him a little bit, so he had some
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 8: some of that. But I don't find anybody that has
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 8: anything bad to say about Alex van Pelt.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: No, I would say too, like it's I don't know
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: how much credit to give him for last year with
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: the Browns because we talked about it on the show
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: and we never you know, it was always kind of Stefanski.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: But you know, the job that they did last year,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: what four quarterbacks? Is that what they played?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 8: I mean the credit blame thing, you know, it's like,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 8: I give them a lot of credit for patching it
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 8: together and finding ways to stay relevant without a quarterback.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 8: But he lost his job because he couldn't do anything
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 8: with the quarterback that we were supposed to do, because
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 8: he insisted on doing his offense rather than one that
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 8: suited to Shaun Watson. So I give him credit and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 8: blame at the same time. It's incredible that they were
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 8: able to win games with dtr off the couch Joe
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 8: Flaco like that. That's I don't care what you say.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: That's PJ Walker. I think won a game for him
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 8: last year. I mean, these are guys that really aren't NFL.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: That's really hard to do.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: Just like I could never name off.
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  Speaker 6: Why why are you insulting PJ Walker like they actually.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: They actually started the fifth I think Jeff might have
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 8: started the last, but they didn't win. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: but p J Walker's they're scoffing ATFL.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: You said five quarterbacks to play for the Browns last year, go,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 10: I would have been like, uh, it's funny.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: It's funny because their room is besides the John Watson,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 6: who I wish was not in the league, you have
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: PJ Walker and dt R, who are two guys I love.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: I love both those guys in that. But yeah, I
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: think with the Browns it's all the macro level stuff
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: with a VP like play calling design, Like how much
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: of that Wastfanski was the one calling plays. I'm not
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 6: so worried about him coaching the positions, like I think
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: that that's what he's been doing for the last thirty
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: years of his NFL career. I'm more worried about, you know,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: game plan, like, are they going to be a step
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: ahead on the game plan? Are they going to how
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: he calls plays and sequences plays together, you know, that
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: kind of stuff, because he hasn't done it before without Stefanski.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Uh Tyler and Providence writes in I'm just curious your
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: thoughts on which team benefited the most from Jade and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: daniels ascension this past year. Was it Washington being able
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: to draft him, the Patriots still being able to draft
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: the blue chip quarterback even from the third spot, or
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: Arizona all but guaranteeing that they'd be able to draft
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: the consensus top ranked non quarterback Patriots.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 8: A fantastic question, Patriots. I think the Patriots as well,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 8: aren't you contractually I'll be good to say that, No,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 8: I learned that way.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: I do think that, you know, and I think you
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: know we talked. Yes, feel a little bit about that.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I do think that there's a maybe a
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: little bit closer to readiness you would hope with Jayden Daniels,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: and clearly Washington kind of feels like they're not really
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: all that far off. So you know, maybe that influenced things,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: but for where the Patriots are right now, and they,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: you know, are probably at ground zero of an offensive rebuild.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: Twenty one year old kid with not a lot of
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: mileage on him, that that's what I want to.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 8: Fis all snark aside. I think the answer is the Patriots,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 8: and it's because two things. Number One, I like Drake
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 8: May more than Jayden and Daniels. I've made no bones
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: about that from the start of the process. But also
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 8: the part that the emailer says it allowed the Patriots
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: to get one of the three quarterbacks, right exactly. So
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: if it was just even if it take Jaydon Daniels
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 8: out of it and then Washington takes Drake May, the
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 8: Patriots wouldn't have taken Jayden Daniels had he not exploded. Yeah,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: so now you're stuck without a quarterback and it kind
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 8: of like the way it looked at the end of
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 8: the season, you're picking three in a two quarterback draft. Well,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 8: ultimately you ended up picking three in a three quarterback draft.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Denver, that's the best way to put it is
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: that it became a three quarterback draft and you happened
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: to be the one with the third overall pick. Most
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: years you wouldn't have had a quarterback to take where
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: you would have been reaching, you know, significantly on.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 8: And I know there were six ultimately in the top
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 8: twelve picks, but I don't think I think we can
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: all agree we wouldn't have wanted to had to take Nick.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like, going off what Field Yates said earlier,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: like with those three there was no consolation prize, whereas
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: if you had to draft the fourth or fifth best one,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: it would have beens that right.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: Well, it definitely seems like even those teams, I wouldn't
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: call them consolation prizes, but those teams seemed to have
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: much lower grades on those quarterbacks and where they took
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: them but their quarterbacks, so they they had the quarterback
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: tax like bow Knicks. I saw some report that Denver
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: thought bo Nicks was like probably like a high end
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: second round pick on their board, but they took them
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: because of some crazy story about like his visit to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: UH to Denver. He had like a backpack with him
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: and Sean Payton asked him, like what was in the backpack,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: and he it was all like football stuff. It was
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: like cleats and tape and like all, and he was like,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 6: that's a football guy. So now I'm gonna take them
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: twelve oor.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Backpack.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: If someone shows up to a job in door, the explorer.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 7: The laptop, a binder, a pen of paper.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: That's it, you got the job. Okay.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 10: So it was the most wild thing, like a microphone,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 10: one of those like halo lens because.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: Unbelievable story.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 19: I remember I probably old Frederick an apology earlier in
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 19: the show anyway, but now I really you an apology
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 19: because at least you just took a guy in the
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 19: sixth round.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 8: He didn't worry about what was in his backpack dumbage.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: I really hope that this sugar, because that is excellent.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was like there was like three things amazing
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 8: and it's so funny.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: He probably said it. You see what the backpack right? Yeah,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: the way it work, I got a the way it
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: was dried ice cream right here, just in case I
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: get would have like a Jersey mics, you.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 8: Know, and just the whole shouting materials.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: The way it was written was like the paragraph, it
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: was like a full paragraph of like, you know, he
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: came in, this is what he had his backpack, and
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 6: then the next line is.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 8: Just like three words.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: It's like it was all football in that period, Like
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: it was like, this is just a football Like it
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 6: was just this amazing feat that all he had in
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: his backpack were cleats and tape.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: After six years of playing college football.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 8: A lot of football stuff. Got It was another rants
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: with the Pennix thing. Have you noticed like there's a
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: pushback like, oh this is brilliant you No, now, you're
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 8: just like you just you go right into it. You know,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 8: you have two years of cousins right into this us.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, okay, oh yeah.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: He'll be thirty five when he gets which absolutely could happen.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: I'm not dismissing the possibility that could happen, but hey,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 6: why are we assuming it is going to happen that way?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: Why is Penix got less of a chance more of
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: a chance to hit than Daniels or may or whoever.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 8: McCarthy. He doesn't, right, It's, let's face it, we don't know.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 8: So the other thing that I hear a lot, well,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 8: look at green Bay. If I have to hear the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 8: look at green Bay argument one more time, forgetting the
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: fact that Green Bay had a really good playoff team
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 8: with Aaron Rodgers, so you didn't have to worry about it.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 8: I would argue, especially the last time when they drafted
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 8: Jordan Love, that that was a dumb pick. I don't
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 8: care what Jordan Love is doing right now. They potentially
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 8: sacrificed possible Super Bowls by not taking the talent to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 8: help the team. And they were still Aaron Rodgers was
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 8: the MVP believe wide receiver and you intentionally gave him
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 8: nothing to help that particular year. Was it twenty twenty,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty, right?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 11: That was?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: He was the fourth That was the COVID year.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 8: He was the fourth of the five really good quarterba
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: were in the war room. That was a great quarterback class.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Frank, don't look at each other.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: Statute.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: I don't understand why we just sit there and praise
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 8: a team that intentionally didn't maximize its window. They went
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 8: out of their way not to be as good as
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 8: they could be.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 6: The only excuse for the Falcons is that, and it's
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: not an excuse because this is bad on them for
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: not recognized it is that Kirk Cousins' achilles is shot.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: And so now you know, now if there's something like
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: that they know, right, But I would say that the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: other thing that is so confusing is that you took
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: the oldest quarterback in the draft, So now you're gonna
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: sit him for two years. He's gonna be forty by
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: the time he gets on the field. But if he's
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: take JJ McCarthy, who's twenty, if he goes like twelve.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 8: And five this year and they get knocked out of
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 8: the division around, you're not gonna sit there and look
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 8: and say, I couldn't know what we're a cornerback away
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 8: or if we were an edge rushing away, you know,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 8: like that might have put us over the top.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: It's not I mean, they've got talent down there, but
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: they're good.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: No, but they're really good.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: That's my point. I think they could make a run.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: It's a terrible con I'm saying. It's not like they
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: couldn't have used another good player.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 8: It's a really bad division. The itself is not overly deep,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 8: you know, it's San Francisco.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: Except for the NFC North. Paul am I wrong.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 8: He just his pants off for the NFC North.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 8: He did the Lions, Packers, the Lions, the Bear Lions,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 8: like I just I get that it's it's smart business
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 8: to take quarterbacks and having a succession plan avoids the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 8: situation the Patriots were in. But at least when the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 8: pat but at least that the Patriots they were winning
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: titles when they were ignoring the future. If I was
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 8: Green Bay, I would rather have won a title or
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 8: two in the twilight years of Aaron Rodgers' career than
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: have the guy that's in place now. I would take
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 8: that draw take that.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's exactly what the Patriots did in twenty eighteen.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: Point.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: They could have drafted Lamar Jackson in twenty eighteen and
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: he could have sat behind Brady for two years, But
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: instead they drafted Sony Michelle, who ended up helping them
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: win a Super Bowl.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Helped them.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 8: I'm not telling you they wouldn't have won without him,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 8: but he helped them.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was part of it. Uh spiing Fresno. Did
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: you guys see Josh Allen as an outlier in terms
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: of how he overcame his accuracy issues? I definitely did.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: In his rookie year. I was sure his goose was cooked.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: What are other examples of quarterbacks who similarly developed to
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: overcome that level of inconsistency. Just wondering if we need
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: to hope Drake may is a similar kind of freak outlier,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: or if instead it's a realistic code for him to
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: overcome his technical issue.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 8: Well, two things.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: What, he's a more accurate quarterback coming in than Josh
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: Allen was. Josh Allen completed like fifty eight percent of
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: his passes in his last year. I went to it's
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: a really low level of company. Yeah, I mean, he's
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: definitely more accurate. But I'd also say if he hits
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 6: on Josh Allen's level, he's an outlier, no matter how
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: he got there. Like, the bottom line is that hitting
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: at the quarterback position is an outlier. Like it's more
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 6: times than not the guys fail than succeed.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 8: I don't know that there are a ton of quarterbacks
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 8: that come into the league with accuracy as being a
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: main weakness. So to answer his point, I don't know
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 8: if there are more guys than Josh Allen. I think,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 8: I think, and he did.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: He was accurate, though Lamar was an inaccurate He just
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: his mechanics were not exactly where they needed.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 8: To be and he can't throw it to the receiver
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 8: here's a guy who had some mechanical flaws and he
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 8: overcame them. Yeah. No, I have Josh vouching me. Josh
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: Allen's rookie year.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: I was all in.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 8: I was like, whoa did you see that throw?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: Josh Allen was a little bit more wild. He was
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: a little bit more wild than Drake Maker.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan of the world,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: says I can't believe the negativity over the draft and
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: was disappointed you guys felt the need to defend what
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: is playing to anyone, a good draft that has awesome potential.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Having been in studio with you guys for a draft
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: show and witnessing the Razie Dowling pick, anyone who says
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: nothing has changed or nothing to be excited about is nuts.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: I was a maniac before the draft, and I'm very excited.
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  Speaker 5: Usually we were defending, we were trying to defend that
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: it wasn't a bad I don't know. I mean, I think,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, everybody think. Everybody thinks it's pretty good. I mean,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: there any draft is like, yeah, we'll see I mean that.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: I just to me, I don't know if any of
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: these guys are gonna work out. To me, it was
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: just like I said at the beginning, they needed three.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: They had three glaring needs and whether or not the
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: guys will fill those needs. They picked guys try to
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: help fill those needs, and that's rare. We've never really
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: done that before. Unless we were wrong about what the
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: needs were. We never were right.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: That's what's hard for me with some of these draft
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: grades where it was like, well, what would it have
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: been then if they had gone and taken like an
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: edge defender, Like what would you have said?
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: Then?
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: You know, what are these people willing to be? Like, well,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: it was a great edge defender. And I love this
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: move even though it wasn't a need.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I feel like the difference in Again, we
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: don't know because we don't have the boards and stuff,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 8: but I feel like Bill probably would have gotten to
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 8: some of these picks and said, I know we need
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 8: a wide receiver, but I don't have this wide receiver
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 8: ranked high enough to take him here. And he would
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 8: have moved down Cooper, do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: Or there's a defensive tackle that I love, but let's go.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: He would have stuck closer to his board. Yeah, And
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 8: I don't know that maybe the Patriots did too. This
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 8: is why I said, we don't know. Yeah, for all
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 8: I know, Elliott Wolf had Jalen Polk thirty seventh on
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 8: his board.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: He took him.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 8: You know, I don't know what his board looked like.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 8: But my guess is Fred's right. It's hard to imagine
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 8: quarterback wide receiver tackle, Bill going quarterback wide receiver tackle.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: It just never happened.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 6: I just feel like Bill, outside of the like left
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: field picks that we all know, I feel like outside
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: of the first round. He was always thinking a year
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: ahead with the draft. He always felt like, that's what
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: the draft is all about. That free agency is about
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: plugging your immediate holes. The draft is about we have
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: all these we have all these free agents on defense
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: next year that Deuce was talking about earlier. So I'm
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 6: gonna draft the defensive tackle. I'm gonna draft this. I'm
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: gonna draft that because I have to draft a edge
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: rusher because Matthew Judon's a free agent and we're not
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 6: gonna pay him, you know, and that sort of thing.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: Whereas this draft for the Patriots was a needs based
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: drafty they attacked the most glaring needs on the team
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: and I don't know if Bill would have done it
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 6: that way.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: And you know, again during Brady, you can do it
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: that way. But you know, as Patriots fans, we get
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: frustrated when we see other teams draft rookies and these
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: guys are good right out of the gate, and like, well,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: why can't we get guys like that? You know, And
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: I think we did with Gonzales, he got hurt.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: But I think I think to to to expand upon
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: Evan's point is that even when he did take some
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: of those rookies, they didn't it was hard for a lot.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: Of them to get on the field.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: And they get on the field and they're right back
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 5: off the field because of a mistake or something.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 8: To finally see when they had a couple of years of.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: Right and then they're getting ready to free agency and.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 8: We got a draft that But I mean, like last year,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 8: there was no like, oh it's hard to see Gonzo
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 8: out there. No, it's like day one training camp.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: But I think, you know, credit to Bill, like he
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: really ran this thing like football university, and it was
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: and Billy, he seems this is a hard place to play.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: And if it's a hard place to play, it's a
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: hard place to break into for a rookie. You I mean,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: you have to have a certain mentality, and I think
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: it took a little time for most rookies to get
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: it here. And you know, either they did or they didn't.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: And that contributed to guys just not seeing the field
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: right away, and Bill knowing that and saying, you know,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: I got to get a guy assimilated. He's not going
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: to hit the field, So I do need to think
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: a year in advance.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 8: But the funny part of that to me is it
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 8: seemed like they had the most success as a team
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 8: when they were doing you know, when Richard Seymour and
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 8: Matt Light were starting week one. Yeah, you know, when
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 8: Orgine Wilson and Santi Sami were playing key roles in
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 8: year one starting you know, forget about Maccody, Gronk Carnandez.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 8: That was a huge part of the team's success.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: Chandler Jones and Dante high Tower scoring a touchdown.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: Right the first game.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 8: I felt like when they were at their best, these
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 8: guys were playing right away Finnish sort of you're right,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: got away from that, but and they were also check
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 8: with the rookies not as good. Yeah, they're not hitting
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: it as many draft picks.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: Or but I think it was a hard place to play,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: oh for sure.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 6: But I think they were great for a long period
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 6: of time of the year head thing, and he was
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: always a year ahead, like he always had somebody in
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: the pipeline for somebody retiring, somebody getting overpaid or whatever.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: And then towards the end, it just it they weren't
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 6: a year head, and all of a sudden, it was
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 6: like there was a million holes in the rowboat and
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: they were kept on trying to fill.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: You know, that classic book The Rise and Fall of
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: the Roman Empire wasn't just one thing.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 8: Are you thinking about that? It was all.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: The book about it is like this all that's all.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: It was like a million cuts. You know, the Brains river,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: you know, Ernie and Dante and all these people leaving,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: and you know it all contributed to.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and I've always reduced it down to
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: and I mean, it's it's really tied heavily into what
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: we're talking about. Where they had a good going where
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: they were ahead of the game, and then they got
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: behind the game. And I think some of the series
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: of not just bad draft picks, but bad decisions on
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: a lot of those draft picks too. You know, we
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: talked about like Toney, if you just bit the bullet
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: right locked tuney up for a while, then the cold
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: strange thing, you know, all the like Michael Lomono pops up. Great,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: we got two guys now. But you know that that's
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: where I point to, And I mean I would also say,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: I just I think that it started to get a
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: little old for a lot of these guys. And I
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: think as you lost the Brady's of the world, not
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: just his amazing on field play, but the guys that
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: were totally bought in that were here at four am
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: to eight pm no problem, you know, as that stuff
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: left and you had less and less leaders, and it's
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: just kind of Matthew Slater and David Anderest being like,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: we got to work harder guys, and you know, they're like,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: but Bill's a jerk to me all the time, and
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: I don't really want to play for him anymore, you know,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: like that' and.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 8: He's not going to pay me at the season. And
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 8: then well, I think the economic part of it is
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 8: might be the biggest difference, because I think Bill was
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 8: always so conscious of that structure and then I don't
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 8: think he really adjusted to the caps adjustment, and he
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 8: sort of stuck to those philosophies, and so many guys
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 8: didn't get because you know, back in the day, the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 8: guys that got second contracts kind of took less. You know,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 8: the Jarvis Greens winning championship. You know, they were really
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 8: good players. They got you know, more contracts, but they
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: didn't like break the bank. And all of a sudden,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 8: like guys like Trey Flowers are coming up and they're
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 8: getting good contracts because the cap is exceedingly rising. Yeah,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 8: and he was like, well, I can't give that guy.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 8: But but Bill, that's what those guys make now.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so true. And at the offensive skill positions,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: especially like the Patriots were just not going to pay
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 6: a receiver twenty five million dollars. But that's what the
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 6: market dictates now that Calvin Ridley is worth twenty five
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 6: million dollars. And if you're not going to pay that price,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: then you'll get Jacks Houston.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 8: Do you think that I would say, one, there's no
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 8: way Bill would have given that contract offer.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: Think there's any truth to what your guys say, Paul Uh,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: Probably that no one could make more more than Bill, Like,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: remember they had that one. It started out as a conjecture.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: By the end of the show it was fact, that's
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: the established it's never been. That's tenant number one, throw
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 8: something at the wall. By the end of the show,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 8: it's fact. I just want to tell them that my
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 8: big board beat their big board. They had a bad year,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 8: only I think they had one.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: So you mean throwing throwing markers at a white board,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: well beat boy, Well yesterday I told you, And you're
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: taking a pat on the back for that.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because because yesterday I was listening and Felger was like,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: nobody hits more than I do on the big boards, Like, yeah,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 6: one person did, to.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 8: The point he was so upset that they only had
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: one hit that he's too I think they jam bell.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: He wants to pull the plug on it because he's.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: Like, I thought it was a sponsored element.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: Well that's what they all said, making half kidding. But
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 6: Deuce and I both I know you.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 7: So to that same point, though, if say Bill ended
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 7: up going to Atlanta, think he would have signed Kirk
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 7: Cousins for that much money.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: He's a good question.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 8: Actually can't, like, I don't know what the contract would
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 8: have been, but I do think you would would have
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 8: been strongly interested.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: Especially because of his at some point, his age has
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: to be a factor, and like his window was just
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: so small that Kirk Cousins was perfect for for him.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: Because I was going to say, do you think he
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: would have taken Kirk Cousins or do you think he
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 7: would have looked at the draft board and been like, Okay,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 7: we're eight, like we'll just get one.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: Speaking of going to be he's going to be on
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: Pat McAfee every Monday during the season, I think he
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: was at some point though McAfee has to stop groveling, like, no,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: I'm that that will get old, Like he's got to
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: mix it up.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: I just get the clips, but I just I think
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: it's it's a great part of Bill. It's a side
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: of Bill that we barely ever saw when he was
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: a coach. And now if we're going to get it
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: once a week and get you know, I'm I'm psyched.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: I mean that's that's.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what I'll see.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 8: I won't watch it, but I'm really interesting, you know that.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: You know, Bill was on and he was talking about
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: Drake May not Drake many, Yeah, Drake May and he said,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: you know, he's comparing himself to you know, Josh Allen,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: and we'll see about that. I know a lot of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: people have compared him. I thought that was does he
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: go around saying I'm Josh Allen, or I'm gonna beat
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 8: Or I'm like to comment at some point where he
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: said something, I'm paraphrasing something along the lines of some
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 8: people have said, there's some similarities to Josh Allen's gable
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 8: or I you know, I like watching Josh Allen play
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 8: or something like that.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 6: That's what he said, not like I'm like Josh Allen.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 6: Every every player gets asked who's the pro that you emulate,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: you like to watch, you model your game after? And
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 6: that's I think the question that he answered, Yeah, and
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: everything you know we asked. Someone asked Jalen Polk and
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: he said Keenan Allen. He does Jalen Polk think he's
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 6: Keenan Allen? Does Bill go to the whiteboard and say,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: you know, this guy compares himself to Keenan now?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 8: And I don't know about that.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was a little bit unfair, unless
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: unless there's stuff that he said that I'm not aware
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I had heard.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, and the rest of it I thought was
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: kind of overblown. But I do think I'm like, when
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: did he say that?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: When it comes to public comments, whether it's a press conference,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: I've been at every single thing that Drake may has
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: said this off season, Pro Day, combine whatever, I have
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: never once heard him say I'm Josh all I.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 8: Would also add that he hates Josh Allen with the
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 8: fiery depths of it. He still thinks he's thinking, he
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 8: still thinks he's.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: So at some point if he if he says things
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: like that, somebody on the show, and you would think
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: it'd be McAfee has to push back, Well, when did
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: he say that? You know, like, you know, make him
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: back it up.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: Oh boy, it'll be interesting because we know what Bill's like,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: because he's when he was in position of power at
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: the podium and you know, people try to go back
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: and forth and he would just shut it down. But
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: like on TV, he's like, we're onto the next segment,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: We're onto the commercial, like no bills, just like we're
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: onto the commercial Foxy Roll.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: I can just say him, Pat Patam, I'm just doing
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: what's in the best the show. All right, let's get
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: back to the phones. Matt's in Iowa. Hey, Matt, Matt,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: what is going on.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 8: There?
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: He is there?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 12: He Matt?
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: Uh So, Paul, I did have one thing to dispute
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 8: on what you said.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 12: You said that each team only needs one quarterback.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: That's wrong.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, well I know what Paul saying, only white
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: player at the time.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 8: Sorry I misspoke, I'm but now I've rethought that, so
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: don't worry about it.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 14: My question for y'all is, now that we have, uh
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 14: two wide receivers that we drafted, what does our wide
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 14: receiver room look like?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 18: And who do you all expect to.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Make it out?
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: Is going to give you us his early I got
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: a quarterback, I got what?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: What?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: Who makes this team? We got?
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: We got kJ Osborne. Think he's a lock. I think
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: Tomorrow Douglas is a lock. Jalen Polk of course, and
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: Javon Baker and uh and then I think, I mean,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: I think Kendrick Born probably a lock. But I just
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: wonder if he could be a pup guy because he's injured.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: He sounds like he's going to be healthy. But those
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: are my so those are my top five and and
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: then yeah, whatever.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: I think Jalen Rager, just because of his return ability,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: has a good chance have Marcus Jones.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 8: Well, he's going to be the.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: Pun returner, but Jalen Rager might be the kick returner.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know how the new rules, Marcus Jones might
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 6: be better at both than he is. Jones maybe that
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: will push him off the roster. But I think you know,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: if you if you're going to keep six receivers, the
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: six guy better have some kick game value, Like you
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 6: can't just have Juju collecting paychecks on the sideline.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: What about the new rules on kickoffs? Does that change
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: the type of guy that you have possible?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, Jalen Rager was really good at the traditional kickoff.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's going to be really good
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  Speaker 6: at the new one.
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  Speaker 8: I will see.
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  Speaker 6: And that could Amara's point be Marcus Jones's job because
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  Speaker 6: there are a lot of people have said.
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  Speaker 8: Jones is really good. There's a lot of people that
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  Speaker 8: have a bigger running back. I mean, could change the
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  Speaker 8: coverage guys. You might want some bulk of your guys
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  Speaker 8: at the point of I mean, you might want.
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  Speaker 5: A little tackle breaking ability, because that seems like you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna have to get through no one can move until
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  Speaker 5: it's caught.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so that's that's you're basically starting from a
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  Speaker 3: dead start there for everybody.
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  Speaker 18: You know.
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  Speaker 6: And I think explosiveness is the most important thing still though,
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  Speaker 6: Like if you see a crease, you have to be
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  Speaker 6: able to run through.
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  Speaker 3: It, and there's a good chance once you get through
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  Speaker 3: that crease.
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  Speaker 8: You're gone.
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  Speaker 6: I think early on in the season we're going to
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  Speaker 6: see a lot of kickoff returns for touchdowns before teams
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  Speaker 6: start to figure out how to defend.
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  Speaker 5: Training camp will be interesting, just they're gonna have to
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  Speaker 5: start working on it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't know if like who you looked
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  Speaker 3: at in the past put that things that will over
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  Speaker 3: overst you know, it's a Marcus Jones best suited for
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  Speaker 3: this new rule.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe not, you know that I'm kind of I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I don't know. I think it's still going to be
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  Speaker 8: the return guy. I think still has to have that
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  Speaker 8: kind of straight line speed, quick quick twitch, burst, change
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  Speaker 8: a direction, get.
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  Speaker 6: So, yeah, more like Cordero Patterson then Marcus Jones is
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  Speaker 6: more of like the you know, joystick type of guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I like that.
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  Speaker 8: I want a guy who can make a guy miss
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  Speaker 8: and then take it to Fred's point, If you can
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: get past the initial line of sort of congestion there
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 8: and get to the second level, it's like a running play.
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  Speaker 8: It's like a short yardage running play in the middle
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  Speaker 8: of the field. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I really wonder if this rule had got into place earlier,
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  Speaker 6: Cordero Patterson might have actually made some like real money
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 6: in free agency because he not only does he have
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 6: he had both he has running back experience too, but
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 6: he has the size and strength to break through and
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: then the speed to Dusty.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think it's possible that this new kickoff rule,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: like they blow up and it's all of a sudden
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: like off, I mean multiple scores, like to an unexpected level.
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  Speaker 8: Like solution to that, which is just if it's if
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: it's a problem, the lion will change the rule. And
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  Speaker 8: I agree with Heaven that I think early early in
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 8: the season you tend to see some returns anyway, but
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  Speaker 8: I think with the adjustment there's probably more of a likelihood.
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  Speaker 8: But wouldn't you just said, Okay, I'm just gonna touch back.
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  Speaker 8: I don't care, I'm not going to go up an
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 8: eighty yard touchdo I'm just going to give them ball
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  Speaker 8: at the thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Rudy's in California, will finish up with you. What's up, Rudy, Rudy.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 8: Rudy, make it good, Rudy.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: He's not there on that note. All right, well, Rudy,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: you're gone. You had your chance. That was your shot, Captain,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: you had one shot.
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  Speaker 10: I know he's he's gonna come run out of a
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 10: tunnel with his golden helmet flashing and yeah, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Well that's going to be it for this edition
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