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Engagement Hesitation · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the almost famous podcast. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: oh my Gosh, today Ben is en route to the
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  Speaker 1: I Heart Radio Music Festival in Vegas, so I am
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  Speaker 1: here with a bachelor expert, Chris Bukowski, and his girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Anna Redman, of Matt James Season. These two have been
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  Speaker 1: together for a little while now. We're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into the relationship later in the show, but of course
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  Speaker 1: we have some pressing finale matters to attend to. Hello, guys,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Hi, Hey, Ashley, thanks for having us. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here, Chris. I saw
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  Speaker 1: you on twitter yesterday and you agreed with me on
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  Speaker 1: what I think is the most massive moment of the
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  Speaker 1: entire finale, which was the whole Aven interrupting Tino's hot
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  Speaker 1: seats and then pulling Um and pulling Rachel off. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we we agree. But also I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: we needed a perspective of somebody who is more on
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  Speaker 1: the other side, like more team let's not do teams,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean. Who doesn't have as
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  Speaker 1: much empathy as we do for Tino in that spot
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just jumping into this scene. We're gonna jump. Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: we shouldn't jump into this hand, but just quick, quick take.
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  Speaker 1: What what is your quick take on that moment? I
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  Speaker 1: think they should have taken tina off stage and then
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  Speaker 1: had him come on and do what they did. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was just so awkward for everyone to watch
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  Speaker 1: Tino stand there Um. But again, we have more empathy
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  Speaker 1: for anyone because in that situation, just because we've all
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  Speaker 1: been there. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Okay, so let's get let's
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's like a whole bunch of like filler
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  Speaker 1: content in the beginning. Let's go into that final row ceremony.
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  Speaker 1: There's just no doubt in both of our minds that
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  Speaker 1: this is going to end in an engagement for Rachel
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  Speaker 1: and Tino, right right, like this is doubt. Okay, Alright, fine,
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  Speaker 1: there's a little doubt, but like the entire time Tino
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  Speaker 1: has been like the only guy that is really like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready for an engagement, and we all know that
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  Speaker 1: that is Rachel's like number one priority. I think is
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  Speaker 1: the bigger red flag if someone's like, yeah, I'm gung
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  Speaker 1: homer an engagement versus on being like let's think about this. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll elaborate on that. Do you think that the premise
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  Speaker 1: of the show should be different? No, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think someone being hesitant or saying that expressing their feelings
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  Speaker 1: towards it is like that big of a red flag.
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  Speaker 1: Oh of course not. Someone had like taken as like
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  Speaker 1: a serious thing and like let's talk about it, versus
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  Speaker 1: and being like yeah, I'll just give you a ring.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much chilliness solve this, because Rachel was all
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  Speaker 1: about like I gotta get gage, you gotta get gage,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta get engauge. Right, she gets engaged to Tino.
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  Speaker 1: That falls apart. She like gives back the read. There's
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  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of gray area, which again I
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  Speaker 1: do want to jump into a second, but it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gray area as to when this ring was
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  Speaker 1: handed back, when they broke up, if they were on
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  Speaker 1: a break. There's like so much, I think, to Tino's
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  Speaker 1: side that we're not hearing Um. And it's just funny
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  Speaker 1: because it sounds as if there was a moment where
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to give back the ring to end the
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  Speaker 1: engagement that she wanted so so badly, and then ends
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  Speaker 1: up with and then, quote quote, ends up with even
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  Speaker 1: in the end right, so it's like maybe he had
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  Speaker 1: an idea. Okay. So, anyway, the two of them get engaged.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the entire time well, because this is,
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  Speaker 1: I think, one of the only proposals that we've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen were like that little yellow square is at the
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  Speaker 1: bottom the entire proposal. It's all given away, like there's
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  Speaker 1: no fluttery feelings. They may have done that on purpose
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  Speaker 1: so that we wouldn't get like we wouldn't feel like
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  Speaker 1: really sad about them not being together. But Rachel's Rachel's
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  Speaker 1: face this entire time, whenever there's a live moment, has
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  Speaker 1: given away the ending for all of us. We were like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it is so sad right now. She's oh so sad,
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  Speaker 1: so not happy. When we saw it, like honestly, the
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  Speaker 1: past two weeks we've seen this um since men tell all,
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  Speaker 1: we're just like something, that is not gonna go well
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  Speaker 1: for her Um. But yeah, so during the proposal we
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  Speaker 1: know that they're not together because her face tells it all.
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  Speaker 1: And then we see her family's face and they're not
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  Speaker 1: happy either, and that sucks. You know, like we obviously
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  Speaker 1: want Rachel to end up with somebody. I felt something
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  Speaker 1: between her and you know the entire time. How about
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  Speaker 1: you guys? Who did you feel like you should have
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  Speaker 1: ended up with? I feel like she had her like
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  Speaker 1: mindset on him and that's what was going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: He's a great looking dude. It seemed like they got
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  Speaker 1: along Um. But again, I think it came down to
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  Speaker 1: him being willing to give her the ring at the end,
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  Speaker 1: even if that didn't mean it was the strongest relationship. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I think she had her mindset on him. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he had his mindset on her, Um,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, I mean if there's someone there, you
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  Speaker 1: want to pursue them to the fullest, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: like you don't want to just do it. You know
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  Speaker 1: to do it if it's not the person you want
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  Speaker 1: to end up with. Um. So I think that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of where Rachel was at in that situation. I had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of thought. I had like Um complicated, like
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  Speaker 1: a roller coaster of feelings towards you know the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: At first I was like, Oh my God, what chemistry,
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  Speaker 1: like this is like that guy, that's stubbly guy that
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  Speaker 1: you want to see as part of the franchise. Like
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  Speaker 1: he makes the franchise better, you know, like a like
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  Speaker 1: a like, like a tyler state, like he makes the
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  Speaker 1: franchise better a lot of like I was thinking that
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  Speaker 1: there's a thing. There's like a vibe. Right, there's a vibe.
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  Speaker 1: So then, Um, and so then I started to feel
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  Speaker 1: like he was just a player. I was like, Oh man,
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  Speaker 1: this guy like not here, but he doesn't really like her,
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like he just wants to win this thing.
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  Speaker 1: He's a Bachelor Fan, he wants to win. And then
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  Speaker 1: I started to really feel like he likes her a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where I ended up. That's why I still
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  Speaker 1: end up. Actually, I still feel like he really likes her.
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  Speaker 1: I feel that I'm going to get so much crap
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  Speaker 1: a lot the end of this episode because people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be like, Oh my God, actually, he cheated on her.
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  Speaker 1: He cheated on her. We're gonna get to that. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get to her now, and I go ahead. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: just I feel like when you're in a public relationship
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  Speaker 1: you have to or not public relationship, but on this show,
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  Speaker 1: while you're filming and then after until like the finding
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  Speaker 1: groles has done, you're constantly thinking about optics and, like,
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  Speaker 1: you hate to say it, but people are gonna do
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  Speaker 1: what looks best for them. Like I think Tino had
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  Speaker 1: it in his mind like if I apologize, if I
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  Speaker 1: can get back to where I can save myself in
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  Speaker 1: the situation. Not Saying he doesn't like her, doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: any feelings, but I do think that is something he
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about. I just think for Tino there might
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  Speaker 1: have been slight alter your motives, Um, to just kind
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  Speaker 1: of flip the script towards his side in this situation,
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  Speaker 1: alterior motives, like as of the motives that we heard
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  Speaker 1: that Eric had no opportunities, not act opportunities. I just
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  Speaker 1: think like when you're the villain of a season, you're
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  Speaker 1: getting a ton of thrown at you all the time
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  Speaker 1: and I think he knew that was going to happen
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  Speaker 1: and he wanted to just maybe trying to take control
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  Speaker 1: of the situation a little bit more. And again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not undermining his feeling, like he couldn't he couldn't be
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  Speaker 1: had over heels in love with her. I just think
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll never know exactly. We'll never know
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  Speaker 1: until we have Tino and Rachel on this podcast, which
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  Speaker 1: hopefully is going to happen soon. We do have Rachel
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  Speaker 1: coming on this week and we are working on getting Tino.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's okay if I say that he and
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  Speaker 1: Ben have spoken before. So we have a little, we
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  Speaker 1: have a little of it inside knowledge and we have
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  Speaker 1: a we have like a a side of the story
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  Speaker 1: that we feel like we've heard first before last night.
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  Speaker 1: So now it creates more of a debate in our head. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let's go to the cheating part. So what happens is
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  Speaker 1: Rachel basically does she stay on stage? I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: sure like how this UN faults, but she basically tells
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  Speaker 1: us there's been difficulties, right and it's not been smooth
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  Speaker 1: sailing since that engagement. Like maybe they had two weeks
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  Speaker 1: of pleasantries and then it went to like rocky road
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  Speaker 1: and and then he and then he cheated on me.
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  Speaker 1: That's how we heard it, and it's just like again, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I am not downplaying this kiss. Okay, I really want
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  Speaker 1: everybody know I do consider this. I do consider a
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  Speaker 1: kiss cheating for sure. I know people are going to
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  Speaker 1: bring back, bring up my story with jared. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: kissed shared an airport. It was cheating Um, but we
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  Speaker 1: do get the story only from Rachel herself there, which
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  Speaker 1: I think is a little unfair. She's the one that's
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  Speaker 1: sitting there solo and says it got rocky and he
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  Speaker 1: cheated on me. Let's go watch the footage. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think about that? They're in a relationship, they're engaged.
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  Speaker 1: I would be kiss so we're engaging with it and
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  Speaker 1: kissed someone. Not Saying we wouldn't work through it, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like that is that's big. That is a big thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think she deserves to be upset about that. Huge, oh,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. But is it like a relationship ender?
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  Speaker 1: If you think this is your one and only engaged
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get married again? I don't know. But
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  Speaker 1: also there it's like they're in the beginning of a
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  Speaker 1: relationship even though they're engaged. I'm okay again. I'm now
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  Speaker 1: not being clear enough, because I'm not downplaying I'm not
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  Speaker 1: downplaying the importance of this cheating moment. I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 1: there's more to this, if she's a leaving out lots
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  Speaker 1: of parts of the story on that stage, without Tino
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  Speaker 1: there to interrupt and be like wait, wait, it's like
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  Speaker 1: you're missing the you're missing the time. That led me
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  Speaker 1: to that moment. And then at one point they were
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  Speaker 1: like threatening each other to drink dirt. Why is this happening? Like,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, just protect your families, protect yourself with certain crap. Obviously. Why?
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  Speaker 1: Why would you allude to their even being drama, because
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: then that's going to be dug up exactly that. That
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  Speaker 1: moment was huge, but it alluded to me even more
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  Speaker 1: there's so much to this story missing. So that's why
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  Speaker 1: I was so upset when they the moment with Avan,
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  Speaker 1: because we're getting even if, like, if you cheated on her,
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  Speaker 1: you suck, you suck and you don't deserve her and like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not conduct like your Buck Gross, but I but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it was particularly cruel to do what
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  Speaker 1: they do with Avin coming on stage, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we got the whole version of the story because
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  Speaker 1: they so, they basically told us we did it. Chris,
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  Speaker 1: you yeah, I mean, here's the thing is, Tino had
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  Speaker 1: no shot. Um, you know, obviously Rachel's gonna have the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to tell her side of the story. Um, the
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  Speaker 1: majority of the Yes, what what he did obviously was wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and there's you know, there's there's there's nothing okay with that,
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  Speaker 1: but there is a lot more to the story. There
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  Speaker 1: always is, Um, and he didn't really get the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to kind of say that. And by the time he
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  Speaker 1: did get up there and have the opportunity, he was
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  Speaker 1: he had no shot. I mean he was just also
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  Speaker 1: like she didn't really let him talk much and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't like that. Obviously she was upset and stuff while
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  Speaker 1: he was up there, but he didn't really have a
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  Speaker 1: shot to apologize Um truly. Maybe, I don't know, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really genuine or what not, but I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think she could have been more receptive of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what he was trying to say and obviously
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  Speaker 1: they both have a lot more to say, which we
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  Speaker 1: don't we don't know about Um. So, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't I didn't feel bad for him by any means,
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  Speaker 1: but I also felt like they went way too far.
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  Speaker 1: M As far as yes, they buried that guy. They
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  Speaker 1: buried him on stage and then they didn't even worse
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: when they brought Evan back on to the stage, which
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  Speaker 1: was the most awkward thing I've probably ever seen in
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  Speaker 1: the ten years I've been watching the show, like it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't even pleasant to watch. And I feel like once
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  Speaker 1: you get to the finale, you want those warm, bubbly
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  Speaker 1: feelings because you just spent how many months invested in
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  Speaker 1: these people, and it's like they kind of gave us
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  Speaker 1: that with Gabby. Yeah, I wanted I want to like
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  Speaker 1: I am being hugged by bastard nation at the end,
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  Speaker 1: and that was just like a slap in the face
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  Speaker 1: to viewers as well. It was like my heart was pounding,
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  Speaker 1: like I felt like I was involved personally, because it
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  Speaker 1: just it felt so intrusive and it felt such like
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: a bully fest. Like, you know, we've talked in the
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  Speaker 1: past about bullying and how the mental health of these contestants.
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  Speaker 1: We've done it on these tell alls, and I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like that moment was bullying because, yeah, he didn't,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't have like that. He was Never gonna win, right,
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  Speaker 1: you're just saying they they buried him. He really had
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  Speaker 1: no opportunity. Also, he's just he's not quick on his feet. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Rachel is just, you know, she is, she she knows,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she knows how to handle a moment like
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  Speaker 1: that and he does not. And then the whole audience. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: also like the whole you know, this guy's had so
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  Speaker 1: much time to think about this. You know what am
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  Speaker 1: I going to say? How am I gonna how am
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  Speaker 1: I gonna save myself, or how do I do this
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  Speaker 1: without bringing up stuff that we don't want to bring up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and like, once you get up there and
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to explain yourself or or say things, it's
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  Speaker 1: just it never comes out to you want. Never, never. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so he was. He was in a tough spot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you were talking about it and not too I feel
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  Speaker 1: like she wants the true apology, but when I was
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  Speaker 1: watching him, like he, he, and then she was like
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  Speaker 1: she he wrote me a letter apologizing. Hopefully he apologizes
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  Speaker 1: to I'm like she ended by saying he didn't even apologize. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like how much more, like you're going to
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  Speaker 1: drag yourself down even more trying to get this from
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  Speaker 1: someone who he's just not going to give you what
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  Speaker 1: you want at yeah, I did a poll on my
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  Speaker 1: instagram last night. Let me pull up what the current
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  Speaker 1: numbers are. Okay, so I said, what are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: in the moment? was a cruel spie feel and unnecessary,
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  Speaker 1: or he deserved it. So eight sixty eight percent. So
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  Speaker 1: it was cruel, Spie, fuel and unnecessary and said that
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  Speaker 1: he deserved it the show. Regardless of like what their
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  Speaker 1: thoughts were in that moment, they definitely got shatter. They
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  Speaker 1: got shatter. We are all talking about it. We all
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  Speaker 1: felt something in that moment and you know what, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, Um, the the other thing that
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I wanted to point out was that there was like,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I'm all about the female empowerment. We love our Bachelorettes,
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  Speaker 1: love them. They typically stay with their final person longer, Um,
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  Speaker 1: and they typically just handle the entire experience with more
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  Speaker 1: grace and poison intelligence. And I, you know, love the
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  Speaker 1: girls in the audience. We had Becka, Michelle and Caitlin.
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like it was a little bit of
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: a girl gang thing. I feel like they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to set it up so that they'd have three bachelorettes
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  Speaker 1: that it didn't work out with. They're in quote, support
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  Speaker 1: of Rachel Um, even though, and then they're all gonna
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  Speaker 1: be on her side, and I just felt like it
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit like, okay, Um, I love that
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  Speaker 1: we support our girls, but also let's not like bring
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  Speaker 1: down men like like, like, let's not tear down men
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  Speaker 1: while supporting women, do you know what I mean? And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like they. I feel like what if we
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  Speaker 1: reverse this and and we we we embarrassed a woman
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  Speaker 1: like this, if a girl kissed one of our bachelor's
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  Speaker 1: and then we had him get escorted out by his
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  Speaker 1: runner up, no what like there be. The whole fandom
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  Speaker 1: would be up in arms. It seems like sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: percent of people did not like it Um, but I
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  Speaker 1: would say it was a hundred percent. Would not like
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  Speaker 1: it if it was a girl. Absolutely everything, everything that
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  Speaker 1: you see on these shows, it's calculated. It's calculated by producers.
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  Speaker 1: It's calculated to get to you to feel a certain way,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the show knew that they were going
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  Speaker 1: to do this extreme thing and they wanted to back
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  Speaker 1: it up, seeing like it was an empowering girl moment,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why they had them in the audience. And
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  Speaker 1: then even if, like you saw their tiktok's, like, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was, like you said, it was all set
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  Speaker 1: up to look a certain way for opjects. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I thought would have been more empowering for women
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  Speaker 1: or just in general for the show, is if she actually,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying forgave him for everything he did. Put
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  Speaker 1: at the end, forgave him, like okay, like I'm moving
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  Speaker 1: on with my life, I forgive you. This happened, this
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  Speaker 1: was you know, that's the past, like let's move on,
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  Speaker 1: don't drag this guy, don't bring this other man on
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  Speaker 1: the stage and like there's there's no lesson to be
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  Speaker 1: learned in that whole thing, like you need, you know,
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  Speaker 1: forgiveness is a lot more difficult than saying you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know exactly. So I thought that would have been
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  Speaker 1: a nice moment. And obviously you know it's it's tough
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: when that happens to you. But if she was able
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to forgive hi at the end of that, he walks off,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: then you know, even comes on and they have this
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing and I thought that would have been a
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: real nice touch for the show. When don't we have
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: all felt better about that, like we felt good, we'd
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: be more in support of whatever happens with AVN. It
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: just would have given us more of that bachelor ending
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: that we crave. But I think the show could have
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: like coached her to do that if they wanted. If
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: they wanted that to happen versus the mess that we
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: saw last night. They could have been like we think,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: like you should forgive him, like we all know that.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: They put things in people's ears and you end up
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: doing that, especially these teels. And I don't know how
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: much of it, but they could have coached her a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: little more to have that warm, fuzzy ending that I
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: think we all wanted. Well, they're no doubt that we
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: got ended with Gabby, because we get the quote warm
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: fuzzy ending. However, I was so trapictized by the other
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: moment that I couldn't enjoy it. My Dad was like you.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: They're like go grab more wine. It's like, well, I don't,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be stressed tonight. I want to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: feel Goodah, they just booted Rachel, like it was like
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: all right, we're done with Rachel. You never saw her
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: again after like she left with yeah, okay, I again.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I really I can't get over this, so I'm just
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: gonna keep talking about it. We have to talk about
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Um Tino space. Like the demoralization that was occurring was
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: just so heartbreaking. Like again, I don't care, even if
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: you're like a crappy person. Or let's let even call
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: him a carpers and let's just call him Um, somebody
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: who made a big mistake. Um. There's no need to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: just totally destroy, humiliate demoralize somebody like the way that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: they did with this. And it was all over his face,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: which is so heartbreaking to me, and I know, I know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: people are out there gonna be like, but actually, he
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: demoralized her by kissing another girl. Totally respect that side.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't see it, but again, it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: not like one hurt cancels out another hurt. You know
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: whatever that expression is, Um. So, I mean, did you?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: How do you guys feel? Just looking at his face,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it looked like he was on the verge of tears,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: like I thought he was gonna start crying. Would mean
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: something like can I be done? Are we done? Like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: can can this be over? Like that's what he was
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: mouthing and I just was like Oh, because, like that's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the worst he's standing in the audience that is booing him.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: He just had. He like he basically just got slapped
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in the face by someone else taking his girl, but
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: not his girl, but also like didn't get anywhere with
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: this conversation that he probably intended to have. It was
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: just like waghmy after Wahmmy after whammy. I'm also going
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to go on a limb here and say that even
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: probably didn't want to do that. Yeah, he did not.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I was just lap, you can drop my Mike. Yes,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: he did not. I would never do that. I would.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I would. You know, if they're like you should do this,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, m I mean I but he didn't know.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: He would, Tina would still be out there. They had
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: any friendship? Did they have any friendship? I don't even
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: think it matters. You just don't do that to a person. Yeah,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that's just brutal. But it seemed like when once he
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: walked out there, I think once he saw the situation
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to it was almost like because it wasn't as sweep
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you off the feet, prince, like it was kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: timid for what the moment was supposed to be. And
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's because he realized Tino was out there
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and he didn't. And there's a good, good chance, just
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: knowing how it things unfold, that that even did not know.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I really don't think he knew and once he stepped out,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you could, I don't even have to say it again,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: what you said was perfect. He did not. He was like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Oh God, how am I? I'm so embarrassed that I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: am doing this, I don't want to make this move,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I think this move is gross. And then Rachel's face.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't like Rachel's expression. Rachel was like Ah, my moment,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: my moment. He had no empathy at all, and I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe I would be like that, because
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I would. I try to put myself in moments like this.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: You're you're just I know my I know myself. I'm
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: not perfect, I'm not an angel. There's lots of times
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: where I just want to get back at someone, and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that would have been one of the bachelor moments that
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to get back at someone. I made
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: have smiled and had that vindicated feeling too. I need
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to put myself in that position, um, but I just
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: feel like in the position of me sitting here, I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: was just like, Oh my God, I don't care if
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: he kissed another girl. I would have been so sad
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: for him and I wouldn't want him to be embarrassed
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: like this. But then again, I really guys, I'm trying
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to see both sides and I may have responded under
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the spotlight the way that she did. I'm thinking if
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: someone who really hurt me, I would like and also
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: say kind of like when if you watch crime, drug
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Kas or anything, or listen to it, they're like you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: never know how you're gonna reacts. Are you gonna smile
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: or you're gonna Laugh awkwardly, you're gonna cry, like you
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: never really know. So I don't want to put too
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: much weight into her reaction. But also this, this was
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: her last time to really, you know, do anything, do
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: anything in a positive light for herself. So I think, yeah,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: she was trying her best. Yeah, I think you're right.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I think I probably would have been like, uh, screw you,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: look at the shining moment for me. I know myself's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: well enough to know that I probably would have responded
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the same. So let's forget my initial comment. So, guys,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Um one last thing before we move on from this.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I did find a tweet last night that I thought
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was super interesting. It was a response to one of mine.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: This person said, isn't it wild that we are supposed
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to be pleased with even popping up like it's some
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: happy ending? Yet last time we saw him he was
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: accused by Rachel of leading her on while he was
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't ready to get engaged. How long
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is our collective attention span? I guess. I guess the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: last time they technically were together, she was they were like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Um, on
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that night, on that you know, finale hot seat, but
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: let's not forget the conversation that broke them up. Yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: now it is interesting to comment on Bachelori Bachelor nation's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: attention span, because it's like zero. Things get flipped, they forget,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like even remember, like filming. I was like, my ponytail
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't up when we were doing this and you're doing another.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I T M like the audience won't notice and guess
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: what they didn't like. As much as bachelor nation loves
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: being sleuths and like looking into things because it's fun,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: paying attention to details doesn't really happen as often as
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: we think, or we'd like to think it does. Oh Yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: one thousand and another thing that I would have loved
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to hear from Jesse, which, obviously the timing wasn't right,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: but I would love to, I guess, talk to Rachel
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: about when she comes on this podcast is what are
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: your thoughts now on getting engaged at the end? Do
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you think it's as much of a must as it was,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: or do you think that even may have had a point? Yeah,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I think that'd be I think we all want to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: hear the answer to that question. I think hindsight, you grow,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you learn things that you wanted a couple our year ago,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, might not be the same,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: especially after she's gone through all of this, which is
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: like such a life changing, mind changing thing. Her answer
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: role probably because I am a totally different person, especially emotionally,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and like how I process my emotions because of the show.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So I just think that that was probably one of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the big lessons she got from it, was just being like, ah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: let's prioritize this solidarity of the relationship instead of on TV.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: He was the whole again when they were going back
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and forth and he was like, well, I went to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: therapy for you, like so obviously they're both trying to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: work on themselves, but it was just weird that dirty
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: laundry was aired a little. I'm going to take a
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: break right now because I want to talk guess what,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: just a little bit more about this and then we'll
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: move on to Gabby. See in a second. And we're
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: back and and I just had a great thought before
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the break. She was talking about how they went to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: therapy or like did they collectively go to therapy or
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was she going through therapy? And he was like very
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: supportive of that because she was going through a really
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: tough time. She did say multiple times I was going
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: through a really tough time around the premiere of the show,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: which I think. I think what you said where she
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: went which is great, like, especially going through this. I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: went through therapy all that. I don't think you can
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: be a lead on the show or even like a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: crucial character and not have a hard time mentally with it. Well,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: applaud her all the way for going to therapy. Is
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that something that she wanted out there, because I feel
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: like he said it. I don't know. It's again they
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: were just airing each other's dirty laundry and it felt
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like they were just trying to hurt each other up
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: there versus find a conclusion. Chris, it looks like you
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: have thoughts. Yeah, I don't think you like throw that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: out there as something like hey, I did this so
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I deserve this right. Yeah, we go to therapy, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: first for ourselves, because, you know, if you're not right
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: with yourself, and there's no way you can be right
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in relationship. But I don't think you should use it
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: as a as a, as a crutch, Um, you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: as like hey, like, I went to therapy, like I'm better,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm better than you, for I was working
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: on myself and all that stuff. Do you think that
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that's how she used it? Personally? Yes, Um, to an extent,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and like very, you know, Cudis to her for going
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and working herself. The hardest thing is is to actually
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: admitting that you need to go to therapy or you
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: need therapy for help. But I also don't think it
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: should be thrown around like that as, you know, something
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that she can almost use as an excuse that she
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was doing more than he was, um, you know, in
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the relationship. Yeah, right, right, like that is the exact
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Um. Do you guys have anything to say
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: about the moment where they're in the house and he
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: brings out the like what we're gonna call just the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: bachelor burn book or the the Rachel Burn Book. Always
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: mole skins. That was the first thing I saw. Is like,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you know, we were just sitting down. I see him
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: walking in with this notebook. I'm like, Oh man, he
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: brought notes. This is Um. Do we know what was even?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: What was even there? I think he just like three
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: bullet points. Yeah, I get the intention of wanting to
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: bring notes because, like, I don't know, I can't keep
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: my mind straight, especially and argue. There's also a zero
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: chance that he probably wanted to bring that note. Write
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: down your thoughts, write down everything you want to say
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and bring it to her. We know, Um. But yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: just it was all again, nothing about the ending for
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: those two felt good. Nothing felt good. It all felt piggy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Watching all of it and like you want to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: like yeah, girl, get back that rig but for some
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: reason how they edited and filmed whatever on the back
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: end it didn't come off well. For you shot it
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: before and they've done it. Was Be good where you
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: were like Hannah and where you have these empowers. Oh
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: my God, the a moment was so good. Why do
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: we not like this? One persons the other two? Is
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it times have changed, or like, what's going on here?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: That's but again, I think that goes back to my
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: initial argument. We feel like something's missing and I now
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: want to deep dive into what could have been missing
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: because again, they alluded to it. You go both of
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: them on stage. Do you want to get into that now?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Do you really want to do that on we really?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I thought we basically they said like the crux of it,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: as what Rachel was referring to as difficulties, so big Um,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and they were like they basically had a pact that like,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: no matter what, they weren't going to go into on
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: TVs in respect. But then you don't give it to us.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I know I don't sit and like now it's gonna
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: be worse. We're gonna be like thinking of worse things
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: happened in this relationship when it it's probably just personal
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: ship that want. But it's totally okay to keep things
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to yourself. It's not even when you're in the line,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: like you need to have those boundaries for yourself and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I respect that for both of them. Yeah. So, so
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: if we respect so much, we will not do the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: dirty and speculate what it was about. You can all
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: just they probably had a really rough time and we've
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: all had rough times and relationships and yeah, it's just
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it was probably hard because, again, you're starting off on
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: this deep into a relationship, but really how much you
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: know each other? So there's not that strong foundation that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of relationships have have by the time big
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: things get brought up, and I can see how that
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: can shake yeah, and make it really difficult. Do you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: guys sense any like of her talking down to him? Well, yeah, okay,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: but again I think I would talk down and so
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: if you hurt me I would be like boo, boo, boo.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: It would be nice having those conversations already happened. Yet
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it's like why, you know, why bring it on stage?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Obviously it's it's a show, but why make it even
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: way worse, you know, than it already is? Obviously that's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: what we live for and stuff, but I think there's
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the there's the point. It's like, all right, I want
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to be the one that's right at the end of this.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I want to want I want to be the one
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that looks the best at the end of this, and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of that, a lot of the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: emotion that, you know, came out of racial was partially that. That's,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know, just kind of my opinion that and I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: think it goes back to what you said before. I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: think everything would have been better if there was an
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: accepted apology, like I'm not going to choose you in
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the end. This isn't gonna be but I accept your apology.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, do you know what? Maybe it wasn't
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: even so much like a talking down to I guess
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: it was. Normally, when we see these, it's more of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a fight, it's more of like his side her side,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and in this case it just didn't seem like you
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: was well, well, it seems like you know, isn't prepared
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to fight back. He just he just like he was
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: just like, ah, I will sit here and get crushed
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and then my life will return back to normal and
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I will go into hiding. It was acceptance of crushing.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: There just was no fighting back, which I think, or
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you know, there was like maybe a small attempt, but
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: like it's just there was a powerhouse and then a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: weak house back it would look worse and honestly, he
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: probably think of it like it's they had the exact
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: same conversation in the House that they had on the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: chair and nothing they did. It wasn't like there should
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: have been a little more molding and prepping of that
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: conversation so something else would happen. And before I leave
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: this conversation, I do want to say that, like I know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: people will give us lots of crap. Again, I'm saying
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: this again, Um, that people will give us lots of
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: crap before defending a cheater. And again, I'm not really
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: trying to defend a cheater here, I'm really not. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: think that there was just a lot that was missing
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and I wanted a lot more contexts Um and I
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: do want to watch the show back again. I really,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: really wanted to watch that part again and like analyze everything.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So I am an open book. Please send all your
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: thoughts to me about what unfolded and tell me where
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong and all that. I actually got a text
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: from one of my best friends this morning. She had
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: no idea, like she didn't see me on social media
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: at all responding to this. She goes, I need to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: know how you feel about Tino and Rachel on stage
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: with Avan. I have never been so happy with that.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I hate cheating of any kind and I was really
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: not taking and he really wasn't taking responsibility and when
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: even came out, I was so happy all caps, mainly
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: because Rachel was so happy, and that's why I watched
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the show for a happy ending. But I know some
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: people feel bad, but that expose him and make him
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: feel like an ass, make him feel stupid. On live
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: TV he got engaged kissed another girl. I was shocked
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and happy, but never did feel bad. I'm an aries
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm heartless and but wow, I'm shocked. Enjoy Italy.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: have lots of pasta, wine and Gelato, I guess. Yeah,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: there's two sides. I guess there there is six percent.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: He said that we're really happy to watch it. I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: just think again, after you've been in a position of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just having thrown at you, you have more empathy towards
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: someone which we're watching the show before I went on
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and I'd probably been like save with her. Yeah, but again,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I think we've all seen the repercussions of what happens
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: after that TV show turns off and, like the D M,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: do you get the letters? You get your family getting
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: death threats, like that's not what we want and I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: think from our end we're saying it could have been
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: a little nicer. Right. What was missing was Tino's Dad,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Mr Franco. That's who wasn't there last night and I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: thought he was going to be the next barb. But
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: now I think about it more and I think about
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: how this ended and I'm like, Noah, they didn't need
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that extra layer there. So what do you guys think
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: about his absence? Yeah, because barb was in Peter's Corner
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and Peter was the main character, so that made sense.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: The main character that you know, dad doesn't need to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: be there and we don't need to throw any more
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: hate towards that. I don't think they needed it. I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think they needed it at all.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm guessing from a perspective would have been Nice
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: ousone in his corner and like optics from the audience,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like when everyone's booing ivetad would have been like, oh
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: my God, they would have had to have that seven
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: second delay. Would have had to have been yeah, that
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: would have been good to me. Oh my goodness. Okay, well, guys,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: guess what? We just spent forty minutes analyzing the Tino
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and Rachel showdown and after this break we're going to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: discuss gabby and Eric. Alrighty, righty, righty, Um. We have
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: got to talk about Gabby and Eric. So were you
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: guys surprised to see him get down one knee? I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: was a little surprised because we had that freak out
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: moment where we weren't sure whether or not he was
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: ready to get engaged. Um. But I will say the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: little yellow box and a lot of Gabby's expressions along
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the way during the live show made me feel like
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: she was very happy and uh, I okay. So I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't as surprised at that moment to see him get
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: down one knee. That that I would have been. You know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: last week I've been more surprised by paradise engagements than
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: by that engagement last night. So not super surprised. But again,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I's always doubt. Yeah, always, I mean I was I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't that surprised because I feel like, Um, obviously that's
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the end goal here on the show and you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: even he talked about how, Um, you know, he never
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: watched the show and he was it was gonna be
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: really hard for him to to, you know, be get
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: an engagement at the end of the show. But if
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you feel you feel it. I'm kind of sick of
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that narrative. I feel like we see it, we've seen
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: it a lot lately in the past couple seasons, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that well, I'm not ready to get engaged. It's like, yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that's like literally the point of the show. Play a lot,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just play. That has been that has been a big narrative.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: You're right. Can we think of other narratives to push
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: versus like, Huh, well, I'm sure about getting engaged? Yeah,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: there's a higher like there's more concerning things we could
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: come up with for people. Yes, but but to that
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: point when you go on the show before, you're like
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I am so ready to get engaged, like yes, but
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: when you get to the serious point of the show
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and you're like, holy sh I might get engaged after this,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: then you start thinking, well, am I ready to get engaged?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: You don't really think like that until that opportunity is
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: in front of you. Um, so it's completely different from
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you, Chris, for bringing that up, because
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you have been in that point of the process multiple times,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: as Anna and I have not been so great. Okay,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: thank you for bringing us into bachelor reality. Now we now.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I guess the real question is, were you guys shocked
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to see them? What seems to be happy now, after
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: lots of things have come out about him, the blackface
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: moment wasn't brought up. Kind of interesting. The moment that
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I thought would really shake their relationship was the text
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: thing that came out this week. You guys are familiar,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: but I will recap for the FANDOM. Um, they last
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: week Eric was there was a girl that came out
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: that said that she and Eric were dating before the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: show and that it was that like he wanted to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: get back together with her after the show, because he said,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it's just a show. It's in my my priority here
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: is to get opportunities. You know, it's off pretty much fake.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: They even showed the text on the screen. I thought
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it was crazy that they that they showed the text
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: on the screen. I was like, Rabo, this is good,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: this is good stuff. Uh, this is like let's like,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: let's have him respond to it directly, and he did.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: You know, he said, like he didn't really understand the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: show until he was on it, didn't really understand the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: feelings that he could like develop on the show. Uh,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and he did. said that he apped up and like
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: he said sorry. You know right, he said sorry. But
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I guess my question here is do you think that
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: it rattled their relationship, especially coming out last week, like,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: do you think that he ever said this to Gabby
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: before it came out this week? Why? My answer is no,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think this ever kep up to Gabby until
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: last week. And to do you think that? My question
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to you. Do you think that it rattled him or
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: rattled them more than it appeared? And my thought is
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: he did, and it was just like, Oh man, the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: live show is right around the corner. My dancing with
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the stars from mirror is right around the corner. I'm
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: not dealing with this right now, but I think they
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: probably had a very, very rough week. I but they
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: did say they talked about it before. Oh, they didn't
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: feel like a straight up live then. Oh, I'm sorry,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I missed you. I'm sorry, I missing okay,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: she was like he brought it up to me before
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: we even started the text surface. So okay, okay, he's
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: been nothing but upfront, which I don't I believe him.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Like if I was, I'm horrible at Dumping People. So
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I get his excuse of like, Oh, I'll come back
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: to you, I wasn't into yeah, he was like I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't that into her. I don't know. I I believe
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: what he was saying. It's crappy, but it's like not
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the worst. It's not going and kissing another girl while
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: you're engaged again. This comes back to like you don't
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: know what you're getting yourself into unless until you're like good,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: close to the end and things get serious. So if
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: he's like hey, like I'm just gonna go and I'll
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: probably be gone by week three and we'll come back and,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'll get some instagram ads out of this,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: we can get back to our relationship. But I mean,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: he obviously likes the girl, but I do think it's rattled.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I still think there's gonna be you know, that's going
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to kind of come up. The whole black face thing.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: That wasn't brought up. Was it not brought up last
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: week either? Like that's that's crazy. He did apologize on
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Instagram last week not to bring it up. Put the
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: text on the screen to distract people. Again. ATTENTION SPAN
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: is short. A lot of people follow for it. But
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: what text on the SGRAM? Oh, the text message, the
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: text message on this day. That was like a shocking moment.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Both of us are seeing there were like they're not,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna, like are we on with the springer
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: around Jared Springer? But yeah, I think it was a
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: smoke and mirror show too for the show to again
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: just they don't they obviously haven't handled situations from the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: past the best, but it's just it's even worse when
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you don't even acknowledge it. I mean I don't think
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that the Matt and Rachel issue was dealt appropriately, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: perfectly at all, Um and I don't think this was
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: handled and it's just amazing that in two years, not
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: even we had that moment where she's, you know, an address,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and then we have a black face moment and they're
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: just they're just it's just one completely one eighty. Could
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: have given him like obviously it deserves more than this,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: but anything is better than nothing. They could have given
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: him a minute to talk and yeah, kind of show
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: like this was wrong. But if I not bringing it up,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it's like the show's kind of condoning it. I don't
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: want him canceled, like I'm not saying that. I don't
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not into that, but I but yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: but that it's just like it's crazy that the difference
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in the situations. I agree with like, if you do
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: it to someone, that it's got to happen or there's
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: got to be an opportunity to talk about or discuss
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it or at least bring it up, because you can't.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: You can't do one thing one time and then do
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it completely different. Yeah, yeah, it's just hypocrisy and the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: show feels like it's taking steps back again, which sucks
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: as the viewer. Alright, guys, I have just minutes left
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: with you, but we must talk about the new bachelor,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and that is Zack and Um. It's just interesting. I'm
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: just not this is my problem with it. Zactlys like
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: a super nice guy. Not. I'm not against Zack Um.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I am interested as to why they would pick a
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: bachelor from basically the lowest rate season of the Bachelorette,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: because all we're gonna do is perpetuate the low ratings
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: because the people who you know, we we got a
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: small proportion of what was bachelor nation five years ago
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: watching the a season. So you're not gonna get back
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: any of that old audience by choosing a new guy.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I really wanted a throwback, a stunt casting and when
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I need to throwback, I'm not saying far, far back.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: You don't have to go back like with Ari, but even, like, yeah,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: like like a Mike Johnson would have been great, Um,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: because he's still a fan favorite. Like he freaking slammed
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: our Audrey's, our coffee shopping lounge like insanely. Um, Peter,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, man, Oh man, do we love a Peter Krause.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: He is a little bit more of a throwback from
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Rachel's season, but that is a bachelor, you know, like
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I would have if you want a two bachelor acts,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: then get your two bachelors with Mike and Peter, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: then you can have people for multiple seasons coming together.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for Zach getting any hate, but I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: think it's just the fandom being like we need somebody
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: thrilling and you're a nice guy, but you're certainly not
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: thrilling your thoughts. You just it's like if you asked
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: him AI system to spit out with the next batter,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look like it was nothing surprising. It
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: was just like boring. Um, I'm huge of like let's
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: just throw money at Tyler's and get could do it,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: because that would be. Oh, guys, I was on the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: pay tyler's C train, like I was chugging on it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: We were like to Cho pay tyler should see. gave
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: him anything he wants. It's the only way that I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: thought you could have truly picked up the franchise, especially podcast,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: being like I love to date, I love to date women.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Dating is my favorite. I saw it was a campaign
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: for him, who loves to date. He would be insane
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to do it, absolutely insane to do it. Yeah, it would.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: It would give him nothing. He already has so much
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and you want skeletons brought up and how that bs
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: like that guy would be insane to do it. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: feel like the past couple of times there's been a lead,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: no one's liked them. I mean what people really like? Gabby,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: people are really sorry, but it's like you talk about
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: a boy lead because, well, I mean Matt. I personally
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: really enjoy Matt as a human. I think the thing
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: was people were like a random batch, a bachelor, a
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: friend of Tyler, not Tis um, but like, you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: he was handsome and we'd liked Matt Right, but like
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: we just were like this guy isn't part of the
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Bachelor nation. And then we had Clayton, which literally no
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: offense to Clayton and everyone, and I hate when people
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: say no offense and then totally demoralized them and the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: next sentence. But like nobody cared about Clayton, and I
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: think this is the same thing as Clayton. No one
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: really cares Um. But yeah, I agree with that. Should
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: have done a throw back's yeah, he's about to be
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: remember that was like the whole thing in a fantasy suitets,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: like ready for engagement and you're Styeng and you're so young.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: But Ben and Colton were both twenty six as well
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: as like Ben, that is the oldest sold of all time.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Ben Is the oldest soul of all time. But also
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: mat was. I don't think. Oh, yeah, I don't. Yeah,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: but then you're bringing on what are you bringing on?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Girls that are about the younger ages, because then it's
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: all girls who are ready for marriage. Well, you guys
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: should go to bachelor data. She has a couple of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: posts about this and how, like, at the end of
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the day, even when people complain about younger ages, we've
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: always been within like a year and a half of
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the same like median or average age. So so check
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: it out of the show. It's just young people finding yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: older people can't, but I think it's because the fandom
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: is getting older. I think it's more of a millennial show.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: But again, bachelor data. Let us know how you feel.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: How what how the actual stats play out? All right,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I need to wrap this, but I also cannot leave
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you without talking about your fationship. So I'm gonna take
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: a quick break and then get back to your love.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Give us the fairy tale ending that we didn't. Well,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: we got half of yesterday. So one second and we're
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: back with Anna Redmond and Chris Bukowski. Y'All, how did
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: you meet? How did you fall in love and move
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: in together? Are we living together? Oh, I thought you
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: were living together. Um, uh, Joe and Serna kind of
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: set us up. We were both single and sad around
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the holiday and in Chicago. You're both from Chicago. Well,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Chris Liss and Chris has lived everywhere. He was living
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: in Colorado, but his family's here, so he was back.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was around Thanksgiving time. Um, we went
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: on a date, it went well, we like each other
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and then here here's what happened. We'll make it. We'll
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: make this quick and sweet, alright, but also, but also
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: make it romantic. Okay, we have another BAS donation couple here.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: It's something too, as Ben would say, celebrate. You know what,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: it's not that romantic to start because we got really
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: sick together and all. Yeah, we both had our second date.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: We had the stomach blue. It was awful, but you
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: suffered through it together. Room veil. That doesn't sound weird
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: that was their second day, but it's a lot. It
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: was a long distance relationships and each other was like
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: kind of to go on a trip and Um, we
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: both got to veil and we got so sick. Like
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: thank God the bathroom was kind of like, in a way,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: separate area, like we had this cool, sweet otherwise I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: think I would have tapped out, like it was so bad.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: But it was kind of funny because at the end
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: of it we're like, okay, if we just went through
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that and we still have feelings for each other, yes,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: it's like it's good. And then, yeah, he just kept
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: flying up to see we flew back and forth, and
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: then now we're in the same city living together, so
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, but mad, mad thanks to Joe, because
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: we were sitting at a bar and he's like you
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: should text or d m Anna, and I'm like, I
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: have no idea who you're talking about. I really didn't
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: watch the show. And I'm like, Oh, she's, you know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: pretty my my type, and Um, whatever that is. But yeah,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: but in my type now. Um, and he's like messenge
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: her right now. So I D M Her on instagram
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: and he's like, you have to go out her tonight,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: but she was in Minnesota. So we set up a
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: date for the following week and uh yeah, Um, went
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: on a date and then kind of reconnected like three,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: four weeks later in veil and got really stick together
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and then that's it. Yeah, but yeah, it was just
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: crazy and when I sat down I was like, Dang,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: he's cute. Yeah, did you okay? Well, you guys live together,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: so I'm allowed to ask you this, like tell us
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the moment that you said I love you. M M
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: it was pretty far. It wasn't. It was like three
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: months for me. It was like around Valentine's Day, which
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: was so February, December, January. Yeah, he definitely was more
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: vocal at first and I was like kind of scared, Um,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: but then it was just like I don't know, love
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: his love and it like hits you and you're like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: holy crap, this is great but also terrifying. So, yeah,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: this is anker. I love it. Did you so like
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you move? You're moving in. You've been to get been
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: the same place for now for how long? Um, well,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: we've basically lived together since. We haven't like spent time
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of art since day because we'd be going back and forth,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: like I'd spent a week in Colorado and then he'd
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: come and spend like a month in Chicago, crash by
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: place my roommate. It was. It was quite the situation.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: And then he was back here in Chicago. We got it.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: He has a condoct here, so he was living there
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: for a while and then I was were never apart
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and that keep his friend wanted to move into his
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: place and we were like should we do it? So yes,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: she was saying like Oh, let's do it next March.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I would have moved in with you like
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: six months ago. I was like okay, let's do it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: How cute. Okay. Well, my next question was gonna be
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like have is there any like living situation like annoyances
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: so far, but I guess, like not really, or come on,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: or he knows that drives me up. Do you put
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: your hangers back after you take it and you put
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the hangars where the empty hangars are so they all
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: don't get lost? I'm actually on this. Sometimes I'll keep
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  Speaker 1: it on the chair and so that like I have
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  Speaker 1: the hangar there when I go and hang up my
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  Speaker 1: close at the end of the day. Or then sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I do put it back with like hanging up so
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  Speaker 1: that I can like see where the spot was exactly. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I do. I put the hangar where I
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  Speaker 1: took the shirt off. Okay, out, like it's not in
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  Speaker 1: law that I am team, it's on this because I
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: like to say, like the whole point is so that
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  Speaker 1: I know where the hangar is when I hanging up
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  Speaker 1: at the end of it for him. All right, well,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: well then, Chris. What does Anna do that's annoying to you? Um, well,
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  Speaker 1: our sleep schedules and our diets are completely different. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: she was. She slips her food, like her sup cereal.
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  Speaker 1: That's a bad one, pretty long, but it's cute, at
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  Speaker 1: least when she does it. Like I can't even eat
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: dinner with my dad because he slips his soups or
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: like his food so loud. So if it's hot, how
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: that's so funny. OCES with each other. Not Bad, not,
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  Speaker 1: not bad. I told jared the other day he was
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: like the way he eats ice cream is like so funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's not disgusting or anything. It's almost like he's like
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: he almost treats it like it's like gold going into
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  Speaker 1: his mouth. And I'm like the other day I've always
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: said to him like the past Cole month and like
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: the way you eat ice cream is so funny. It's
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  Speaker 1: like it's the way it's like. I can't you just
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: eat it like it's like a treasure. And then the
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: other day I was just like in a mood and
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I was like I hate the way you eat ice cream.
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  Speaker 1: You should see her eat like we have these freeze POPs.
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  Speaker 1: It's the most obnoxious thing. Oh, he does the freeze
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: POPs too, like the old nineties things that are long
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and he pushes them through. He does. He eats those
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  Speaker 1: like multiple times and I'm like I get that. You're
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: enjoying it. Can you enjoyed a little bit quieter? Okay,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: that might be an issue that grows. We'll see. Um
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: But guys, I do think that you are a very
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: cute couple and I have really enjoyed and appreciate you
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: being here with me today. I think that we're on
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the same page about a lot of things. We had
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: a really good, they're all understanding conversation of what went
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: on and, Um, I'm just glad that I got to
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: do it with you. Thanks for having US actually, and
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I will. I will all right, thanks, I'm excited. I'll
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: go slurt my Gelado. Okay, see you, guys. All right.
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