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- Jill Parish: Hello, thanks for joining us. Welcome to the Strategic Pause. My name is Jill Parrish and this here is my partner. What's name, partner? Katrina Kennedy: Katrina Kennedy, so happy to be here with you today. Jill Parish: Katrina Kennedy and this fellow friends is our last episode of our first season. So we are ⁓ going to take a brief podcast break and then we are going to kick off with a new season. So we're very excited. We're very excited. This is episode 12. Did I get that right? Episode 12. Katrina Kennedy: You did. Jill Parish: And we have decided to wrap up this season with a reflection episode because somebody we know and love wrote a book that is around reflection techniques. And so with that said, my fellow host is going to lead me apparently and us, because I want your reflections to ⁓ through reflection exercises about our podcast. So Katrina, am turning it, you have full authority to ask me whatever. Katrina Kennedy: That is some authority. I'm a little intimidated. But how much do you love that the strategic pause is going to take a strategic pause? But before that strategic pause, we're going to pause for reflection. There you go. It is a lot of pausing. It is a lot of pausing. It's amazing we get anything done. Jill Parish: That's big. You should be probably. I love that so much. Wow, that's a lot of pausing. I love it. I love it all. Yeah. with all of the pauses that we take. They are strategic. They are. And we could talk about what we're going to do during those strategic pauses, but that would be less about reflection and more about moving forward. So maybe next time. Katrina Kennedy: But they are strategic, right? They are. Exactly. And reflection is about moving forward. It is about action, but we've got to look back before we can move forward. in the theme of looking back, I'd love to start with one of my favorite questions to get people reflecting. And that is, I'd like you to fill in the blank, if you would. Recording this podcast was like... Jill Parish: Okay. Okay. Okay. ⁓ boy, was like, showing up to like have a conversation with one of my good friends on a regular basis. ⁓ You, you're my good friend. It's you I'm talking about. It's you. Katrina Kennedy: I love that. That's so thoughtful. Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ you're talking about me? I thought it was like showing up with a friend. like, yeah, that friend's so lucky. Jill Parish: How fortunate she must be! I know, it's you! Katrina Kennedy: ⁓ even better, even better. Well, thank you. So ⁓ I really love a reflection format that has a structure and most of the reflection activities in learning that lasts have this kind of common structure. And it's the what, gut, so what, now what structure. Yeah, so we're gonna start with the what question for you. And that is. Jill Parish: What got so what now what? Okay. Okay. Okay. Katrina Kennedy: Thinking back on our last 12 episodes of recording this podcast, ⁓ what stood out for you? What stood out for you? Jill Parish: The first thing that came to mind ⁓ without thinking about the words I'm saying, which is something I do quite often, was that it was easy in the sense of like having a, it never felt forced. So our conversations never felt forced. It was never hard to come up with something to talk about. It was never hard to figure out what the format was gonna be to talk about. ⁓ The actual logistics of learning the platform and that kind of stuff, well, it wasn't hard, but maybe that was like a little bit of learning curve, but our actual conversations and the content felt very easy. Katrina Kennedy: I would agree. the, the, the conversations between you and I have always felt like that, like kind of, kind of weirdly. So, but yeah, yeah, there, there are very few people that I interact with that I feel so comfortable with and can laugh so easily with whether we're laughing at each other or together about something usually, usually at each other, but Jill Parish: Yeah, kind of creepy almost a little bit. Yeah. Hehehehehe Right, Yes, at each other, but also together, yes. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah. The thing that stood out for me too is that people listen. Jill Parish: Yes, I know, right? That is wild. Katrina Kennedy: We were recently at ⁓ a coffee for, you know, badass women and somebody told me something I said on the podcast. They're like, I'm using that. And I was like, that's delightful. I did, I was a little stunned, ⁓ but that kind of made my day. That was, that definitely stood out. Jill Parish: Mm-hmm. you Yeah. It's funny you say that because I got a text last week from somebody who was like, I was listening to your podcast and I don't remember what episode this was, but we had talked about how sometimes when you're working in government, you don't see the fruits of your labor for five to 10 years kind of thing. And she was like, that resonated me with so much. resonated with me so much and I felt so seen in that moment and I was like ⁓ my gosh I love that so much yeah same I love it I love it it's amazing Katrina Kennedy: Yeah. So that really leads into the next question, which is, how do you feel about it? So we've 12 in, how do you feel about it now? Jill Parish: ⁓ well, I feel like an old veteran. feel like I'm probably never going to want to listen to like the first two episodes because now, now that I've listened to quite a few, I can definitely tell that we've gotten a little better. Actually, you've always been phenomenal. I've gotten a little better at not saying the same thing over and over and not laughing for hours and hours, which I still do. ⁓ so I feel like we've gotten better about it, but I also feel like We have just barely scraped the surface. Like I genuinely think we could be one of those like we're in season 53 because I don't feel like on any level we have talked about all the things that we could talk about or want to talk about. What about you? you think? Katrina Kennedy: Right. I feel very similar. In fact, so I journal every day and that was very kind. That was very kind. And in my cute journaling, every day that I journal, I will go back and look one month from today. So like today's the, whatever day it is, 27th, I'll look. Jill Parish: That's cute. You Katrina Kennedy: last month, the 27th, the month before that. And so I read what I have written in the past. The first, in January when we started recording, I literally wrote like, I don't know about this. Jill Parish: Hahaha! It's so appropriate. Katrina Kennedy: Jill and I are kinda different! Jill Parish: Yeah. And also like, I think it took us like three tries to get your audio and camera working and my audio and camera working and it working on Riverside, which is the platform that we use. mean, just those little logistical pieces took probably longer than they should have. Katrina Kennedy: Right, well and every time we thought we had it together then like something would go wrong or then you know I encourage you to realign your bookshelf and which then it's like everything became something else. Jill Parish: Yeah. ⁓ yes! That's right. That was really good feedback though, actually, because nobody tells me normally like, although now it's all off canter and I can't move it because my camera is very fragile right now. But anyways, nobody normally gives me feedback on what I'm not touching it on what's behind my head. So that was actually quite helpful. But yeah, yeah, yeah. We could put that in our quote book. Katrina Kennedy: Don't touch it. Nobody gives me feedback about what's behind my head. I think so. think that that has to land there without a doubt. ⁓ So each of my questions, don't you love this? And this is what I feel like happens when you have really good discussion and reflection with a group is that one question naturally leads into the other. And the next question, yeah, is what have you learned? Jill Parish: leads to another. ⁓ Well, so we are in learning and development, you and I. ⁓ If this is your first episode, we are in learning and development. ⁓ And I absolutely acknowledge I do not put myself in places to learn often enough. I am almost always the facilitator or the one guiding or the one teaching or whatever that looks like. ⁓ So I just don't learn new things as often as I should. And what I really liked about this whole experience was that it was learning. it was, you know, like we talked about, it was the logistics of like, what's the platform and like, how do you get things hosted? how do you get something on Spotify? And that's just not any part of my brain that I had used. And so that was actually pretty cool to learn something new that just wasn't in my realm. ⁓ I also learned that I laugh a lot, which is great, but sometimes can be distracting listening to myself. ⁓ You know, it's always like a little painful to listen to yourself. I think I'm not the only one probably that feels that. ⁓ But you and I have just sort of talked about, well, really this is learning because Katrina has taught me these things, but how can we take this and sort of move it in a way that connects greater to the other work that we're doing and some of the content, pieces of content that we're doing. So I'm sort of learning that whole cycle a little bit as well versus just sort of, this started as something that I just always wanted to do a podcast. I just thought it would be fun. like all of the other things in my life, I just roped Katrina right into it. And so it started in like a very casual and it still is on many levels, but like just a really casual, fun thing. And we sort of moved it into like something that's actually linked to the other things we do and helpful and content and that sort of thing. So that's all been fun learning because we have not put any pressure on it, ⁓ which in my opinion has been like the best way to do it, I think. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, I think that led to some learning for me because I tend to come into things very strategically. want things to have a purpose. want the time to have a purpose, you know? And so when we started this, I was very patient. was like, I'm like, okay, so our KPI is laughter. Jill Parish: You sure were. Yep. Katrina Kennedy: All right, I'll go with that. Our KPI is like making up a word every time. Okay, I'll go with that. And I was kind of holding back as my journal will tell you. ⁓ Jill Parish: wish I could read those entries. Katrina Kennedy: You can't. Jill Parish: No That's fair. Katrina Kennedy: I was, you know, I was just holding back all of the, the structural things that I would, if it was just mine, right? And, and one of the things that really happened for me is I got to see you kind of evolve as we recorded, you know, we, were both learning the platform. We were both learning how to get it out there into the world. ⁓ Jill Parish: Mm-hmm, yeah. Katrina Kennedy: And I was learning really like who is Jill and how does Jill operate, you know, in a more technical hands-on way. ⁓ And I think, you know, if we were to do an episode on change management, ⁓ which we could definitely do in our future, you know, it was a good example of that, that like you had to see the value of, of kind of morphing it and Jill Parish: Right. Yeah, we could. Yeah. Katrina Kennedy: And we kind of had to find our place together because I think if I had come in and said, okay, we're to do topics that are related to leadership and we're going to make them this long and this is the structure we're going to have, it wouldn't have been fun. It would have been, it wouldn't have been authentic. we had to kind of get there together. And for me, that's, that's a big, probably a big life lesson. You know, it's kind of what we teach leaders and managers, like, you know, take a moment and like, watch. Jill Parish: Right. Right. All right, and see what's going to happen. Katrina Kennedy: Take that strategic pause. Yeah, like see what's gonna happen. See like what the world holds and who's doing what around you before you thrust your ideas on everybody. So. Jill Parish: Right. You But I do think that's one of the things actually that makes us great together because, you know, I'm very much a ready fire aim and you're very much a ready aim fire. And so I have a tendency to just go and assume that it's going to work out and, and work into the strategy. And it generally does, but you are very much more like, yeah, let's figure out the strategy and then we'll get it off the ground. And it generally does get off the ground. So I think that's something that. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah. Jill Parish: the two of us compliment each other really well on is I'm very much the activator and you're very much strategic. And when we, when we can really lead on each other versus the pushback, which we've never, I don't think ever given each other pushback. Like that's not yet, not yet. Well, it's because you gave me pushback and I'm like, okay, whatever you say. Yeah. We'll just do that. Katrina Kennedy: Not yet. Ha Jill Parish: But anyways, think that makes this, and this podcast is a great example of that, because I think you were like, all right, let's see what happens. And then, you know, it did sort of morph into probably where you would have started anyways. Katrina Kennedy: Maybe, but maybe not. think I value and understand the value that other people see in making it lighter and making it, you know, sometimes where it's just fun. You know, I, and, you know, to be perfectly, perfectly blunt, my version of fun is not your version of fun. like at all. Jill Parish: Right, right. Case in point, the pencil story. Katrina Kennedy: I wasn't, we weren't even going to talk about the pencils today. I was leaving that alone. But for those of you who are curious, I may have spent Saturday driving around the greater Sacramento area to bookstores for independent bookstore day to find the limited edition black wing pencils for independent bookstore day. Jill Parish: Nope. You Katrina Kennedy: And it may have taken me, for those of you who are familiar with Sacramento area may have taken me to Davis, which on a Saturday, he is not the most comfortable drive, but they're beautiful pencils and their special edition. And yes, yes, Jill was laughing that I even have a favorite pencil. Jill Parish: You straight face. You Favorite pencil company. She started by saying, you know, the pencil company that I like. And it was like, you lost to me. And I'm gone. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, so. Jill Parish: Anyways, bringing that back to what we were talking about. Yes, I think our versions of fun are different, but there's similarities too. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, well, and I think that's one of the nice things about the evolution of the podcast as well is that it does, you know, we do have an audience. We appreciate all of you and the our audience listens for different reasons, know, different reasons than you and I both, which is kind of delightful. Okay, so I have the big question. This is the biggie. Jill Parish: It is delightful. All right, I'm so ready. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, this is a, this is very much a Katrina question too. Yeah, then, I love it. I love it. ⁓ Well, so all of the questions we've asked so far have kind of been looking back. So this question looks, we look forward now. So this is that action piece that really makes reflection. I define it as like not rumination. Jill Parish: ⁓ boy, okay. I'm actually a little nervous. What are you gonna say? I just got a little scared. Okay. Yeah. Katrina Kennedy: You rumination or nostalgia, we're just going over stuff, telling stories. But now, but now we're going to move it to some action. So what do you see us doing differently for season two? Jill Parish: Okay. Right, right, okay. Mmm. Well, I'm going to share some behind the scenes information that maybe I should not share at this moment, but ⁓ we didn't have a plan for any topic of any of these episodes that we did before about 10 minutes before the episode. That is not an exaggeration. I am not trying to make it sound like we are super laid back. ⁓ We legitimately would put time on our calendar. We would log in together and then we would say, what do you want to talk about today? ⁓ Now I will say. On some level, I loved it because it was kind of like, well, what's on the top of your head? Like what's on the top of your mind? And that's sort of how the whole episode about what is a book? What does it mean? How does it, how do you write a book? Just literally kind of came to me and I'm like, let's do it. so with that said, I think episode. or a season two, it would probably be a good idea for us to plan out a little more in advance what topics we're going to talk about when we're going to talk about them. And one of the reasons is because we're going to do some interviews next time. And so we're going to have to have those scheduled and we're going to have to be a little more planful. ⁓ That's the first thing that came to my mind. What comes to your mind? Katrina Kennedy: Well, I first just have to say that I love that all those words that just came out of your mouth were kind of mine. Jill Parish: You See? We're like the same people. Different. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Katrina Kennedy: It just took you longer to get there. So yay. ⁓ We did have a list of like, we had brainstormed a list, but it wasn't really very tidy. ⁓ And I think that you're 100 % right that we're going to have a schedule. going to, ⁓ we have a schedule. Like that is one thing that we've done well, that like every other week we record. ⁓ And for whatever reason, like we've really stuck to that. Jill Parish: Mm-hmm. Right. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Katrina Kennedy: Uh, we've, we've been able to honor that, um, definitely guests and, know, which is going to take a little bit more coordination on our part. Definitely having a schedule, definitely like some logistical things that have to be in place in order to let somebody know how to join us and, and all of that. Exactly. Um, and, and I'm thinking that, you know, Jill Parish: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We'll need to get on that. I don't know how to do that. Yes Katrina Kennedy: I have this vision of kind of one topic that's, I don't want to say the word serious, but a little bit more structured around learning and development, leadership, organizational development, kind of in that niche. And then maybe an episode that's a little lighter, a little like posse that we, you know, that we, look at some of the things that we put on our original brainstorm lists, like, you know, Jill Parish: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Katrina Kennedy: being a mom and one of my favorite topics that we have not discussed because I'm not sure how to do this without making people wary of ever contacting us again, you know, is like when people ask you if they can pick your brain and like free labor that that often happens in our world, you know, I'm I'm looking at those topics going, those will be good. ⁓ So structure, I think that's what season two is going to bring. I hope it still brings laughter. Jill Parish: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes, right, right. Yeah. Definitely. That's a non-negotiable. Because one thing I wanted to make sure, mean, you know, with running a business, there's a lot of things you have to do, right? Like I have to check my P &Ls every so often. I have to do payroll. I have to do bank deposits. I didn't want one more thing that I had to do, right? I really just wanted this to be an enjoyable endeavor and we've made it that. And so... Katrina Kennedy: Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Great. Jill Parish: even as we put more structure around it, now it really has the foundation of like, this is not one more thing we have to do. I don't look at my calendar and think, ⁓ God, I got a podcast today. think like, yay, it's podcast day. And we've done a good job keeping it just light and enjoyable for us as well. So does it make them one more thing we have to do? And hopefully for our listeners as well, does it become one more thing they have to do? Katrina Kennedy: Yeah Or one more thing they decide not to do. That's my worry, right? Like one more thing I can cross off my list. Like, please know, like we're glad you listened. And, ⁓ you know, and with that too, I think it might be fun to get some listener feedback. What, what topics do people want us to talk about? What would, what would, ⁓ what perspectives would be interesting for other people to hear? ⁓ and. Jill Parish: Or one more thing that, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Katrina Kennedy: And, know, and I'm, just have to say too, I am, I do have that same feeling you do that I look forward to, you know, I look forward to my Jill time. Um, you know, I know, yeah, every two weeks I, we're going to spend 30 minutes before laughing nonstop. And I, I hope that doesn't change. So yeah, because, because in the beginning it was 30 minutes of like, Jill Parish: Yeah, my Katrina time, yeah. Yes, absolutely. I hope so too. Katrina Kennedy: profanities as things didn't work. Jill Parish: Yeah, that's absolutely correct. Yeah. Katrina Kennedy: So if we could get 30 minutes of laughter and all the pieces and parts work beautifully, that would be lovely. And then 30 minutes of recording or so, and then people can enjoy it. That's the goal, right? That's the goal. Yeah. Jill Parish: Yeah, that's the goal. It's the goal for us to enjoy it, for them to enjoy it, for it to hopefully occasionally make people think and maybe give them nuggets of things that they hadn't thought about in a different, you know, in that way. And just to be enjoyable and enjoyable time when there's a lot of non enjoyable media out there. So hopefully we're we're one of the more enjoyable pieces of media. Katrina Kennedy: Absolutely, absolutely. All right, so I'm gonna end with one of my favorite activities. Although do you notice that I say that with every activity? I realize I do. Jill Parish: Okay. ⁓ I can't wait. You do say that a lot, but I say that I have a lot of favorite things too, so I'm never gonna... That's fair. You can have a lot of favorite things. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, right, like how many is too many? Like, and who made up that rule? So, like. Jill Parish: Not exactly. I am not gatekeeping your favorite activities. You decide that. Absolutely. And you decide your favorite pencils. Katrina Kennedy: Why, thank you. Thank you very much. Yes. Thank you. They are seriously the best pencil ever. Best pencil ever, but. Jill Parish: You I believe you. Katrina Kennedy: I'm going to go on a national road trip just to collect them. Just for fun. Jill Parish: Yeah, do you think you could become like a pencil influencer? Like should we look at some sponsorships for you? Katrina Kennedy: today is not brought to you by Blackwing Pencil, but it could be in the future. Okay, there's somebody else out there who likes Blackwing Pencils, I have no doubt. I know there are probably many people saying, I don't even know what that is, but. Jill Parish: But it could be in the future. There you go. I am sure. Yes, we won't talk about those people though. Katrina Kennedy: but they are a thriving company, so I'm not alone. Jill Parish: wonder if they need any leadership development. Do they have trainers? Train the trainers? We really should connect with this company. Yeah, we would love it. Katrina Kennedy: just trade, trade for pencils. Sure they do. Like who doesn't, right? All right. Anybody have a black wing pencil connection? We would love to know it. We would love to know it. All right. Um, so the, the activity that I want to end with the questions I want to end with, this is, this was, uh, these are from some really interesting research that they had managers journal over a period of time. And then they coded that journaling to find the, what was Jill Parish: Okay. Katrina Kennedy: what were the topics that managers were most often journaling about? And then they scaled it somehow. That may not be the right word, but anyway, they determined who were the most effective managers and what were they journaling about? Yeah. Jill Parish: Mm-hmm. ⁓ journaling about. ⁓ this is good. Okay. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, this is good and this is this is something that I include in emerging leader programs and I talk about probably as much if not more than pencils. ⁓ Jill Parish: I don't believe that, but okay. Katrina Kennedy: ⁓ and, and so the, first one, the first thing is what surprised you about the podcast? What surprised you? Jill Parish: that people listened. mean, that was, know as silly as it is, that was not even our goal. So the fact that people are listening, like that's surprising in a delightful way. Katrina Kennedy: Me too. Yeah, I would agree with that one as well. The next one is, it's a very strong word. And I think it's something that we often shy away from. Where do you think we failed with the podcast? Jill Parish: ⁓ okay. Where did we fail? I hate the word fail. You know I hate the word fail. Katrina Kennedy: I know, I do too. It's really strong and it's not a word we normally use, but I love that it showed up in this research. So I have mine. ⁓ I failed to listen early on enough, like to listen to our recordings enough to know that my mic was making this really weird noise. And once I discovered it, Jill Parish: Mm-hmm. Okay. Mm. Katrina Kennedy: Like, and I don't even know how many episodes and it was realized I had like ⁓ a very, I had an issue with my mic that we were able to resolve, but it required like new equipment. ⁓ But I consider that a failure because had I listened, I would have known it. Jill Parish: I don't know what that says about me that I listened to all of the episodes and I don't remember your mic having any issues. So I don't know what is that? So I failed in not being observant enough when I was listening to our episodes. How's that? Katrina Kennedy: Well... Everybody's going to go back to episode one now. But I think what happened is if you listened to the edited version, the version we put out in the world, it got corrected, but I didn't realize I was correcting it. I wasn't, which is, I know that sounds weird, but we were correcting the sound just as a step, not before we listened to it. Yeah. Jill Parish: ⁓ I see what you mean. Yes. Okay. I see what you mean. We were scrubbing the audio. I see. We didn't need to scrub the audio maybe. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. ⁓ Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, we're right. Right, exactly. It could have saved us a step. ⁓ So that's our failure. That's our failure. And I don't think failure has to be like this big like, ⁓ my gosh, you know, I'm bankrupt and my family left me. You know, just like that is definitely, but imagine the manager who would just take the time to go, hey, I, Jill Parish: That is one type of failure. Katrina Kennedy: I failed to say hello to that person or I failed to give them the feedback they needed. you know, it can be small failures. And I, you know, the word is hard, but I think it's important. Okay, last one. Last one. What frustrated you? Jill Parish: Yeah. That's true. ⁓ well, I mean, the fact that this is probably one of the very first times we've recorded where my audio and video and headphones have worked from the minute we logged on until this minute right now. That's been a little frustrating. And the more frustrating piece is like you, you know, I'm on Teams and Zoom. all day long, every day, not really, but a decent amount. And my audio and my tech's fine for that, for, know, and so it would be like, we'd get onto this platform and all of a sudden it was like, we'd never done any virtual meeting ever before. We're like, what's that? I can't hear you. Can you hear me? It's like, but so I guess that was frustrating. But other than that, this was not a frustrating activity for me, thankfully. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah. Yeah, ⁓ No, like, okay, so it was frustrating for me in the beginning, like not feeling like I had structure that I wanted and like, I wasn't sure where we were going with things, but I got over that. Like I got over myself. Jill Parish: Mm. Yeah. Katrina Kennedy: ⁓ you know, and I think, I think it was a really positive, it has been a really positive experience and it is really rewarding to hear from people who listen and, and use things. So, ⁓ I'm appreciative of that and it's been a, it's been a fun first season. Jill Parish: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. A plus for fun. B for organization. But we're going up. We're getting up. Katrina Kennedy: Absolutely, absolutely. One thing that I was told last week that I loved is someone said, I've seen it improve. I can see it changing over time. Yeah. Jill Parish: ⁓ I love that. God, whoever that was really knows the way to your heart, don't they? ⁓ They could not, ⁓ sense anything that would make your heart sing more than that. ⁓ I love that because, ⁓ there you go. I think we've improved too. Like we just, I said a few minutes ago. Katrina Kennedy: No doubt. No doubt. Well, maybe I have a pencil. Jill Parish: I did go back and listen to the, this was maybe like three or four weeks ago, listen to the first episode and I'm like, ⁓ yeah, no, won't be doing that again. Like it was great. I'm glad we did it. We got it off the ground, but ⁓ we have improved. So I love that. I love that that person called us out and we'll improve even more. Season two, big things are coming. Katrina Kennedy: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. We will and I, yes, and I wanna have some imperfection in it because that just shows that we're human. Jill Parish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It shows we're human and it shows that we're real and this is an AI. You and I are really having these conversations just like this. Katrina Kennedy: Right. Exactly. Exactly. Well, and, we can go all the way back to something you said in the beginning today that, you know, as learning and development professionals, we don't always put ourselves in places of learning. And I think we need to know the discomfort. I think we need to be familiar with that feeling to be effective at what we do. Jill Parish: Yep. Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree. So thank you, friend. Thank you for joining my wild idea and putting up with me and just trying to deal with me. And I hope that you bought yourself more pencils as consolation of having to kick off this podcast with me. I owe you a pack of pencils. Katrina Kennedy: And you're welcome. No, that's funny. No consolation needed. It's been delightful. I have enjoyed almost every minute. Jill Parish: Oh, at least 98 % of the minutes. Katrina Kennedy: You know, and like, I mean, it just has to be said that I think one of the great things and one of the great dynamics about you and I working together is that we both can be very honest with each other. And I think that's, that's what helps keep it keep it working. Jill Parish: Absolutely. That's what makes us tick. Katrina Kennedy: Absolutely. Jill Parish: Here's to season two! Katrina Kennedy: All right. Thanks friends. We'll see you. Jill Parish: Bye!