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Governor David Patterson| The Western Indian Parade · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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Speaker 1: Listen, all you New Yorkers, you need a taxi. This
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Speaker 1: is the 77 WABC minicast.
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Speaker 2: Is it an oxymoron that most people don't work on
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Speaker 2: Labor Day? I'm not really sure. Joining us right now
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Speaker 2: is a person I consider to be my partner now
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Speaker 2: here at WABC, former Governor David Patterson. By the way,
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Speaker 2: if you don't know, David Patterson and I do an
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Speaker 2: amazing show every Saturday at 3 p.m. called The Left
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Speaker 2: Versus the Right. I think it's Peabody Award winning. It's
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Speaker 2: proof that you can have a friendly and reasonable political
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Speaker 2: discussion that's also fun every weekend. But we also get
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Speaker 2: into a lot of things. Governor Patterson, are you putting
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Speaker 2: on your headdress and other outfit for the West Indian
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Speaker 2: Day Parade today?
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Speaker 3: No, because of my concerns, my personal safety. I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to do that.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think you were going to do that. Also,
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Speaker 2: speaking of safety, they're going to cut short the parade
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Speaker 2: this year and end it at 530. let's let's hope
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Speaker 2: that that stops some of the violence we've seen at
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Speaker 2: that parade, usually in the later hours. But if you've
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Speaker 2: never been to it and you're listening here and you're
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Speaker 2: living in the New York area, if you've never been
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Speaker 2: to it, I kind of recommend it. It is an
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Speaker 2: incredible spectacle. It's something that you don't otherwise see here
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Speaker 2: in this country. It's a lot like the carnival celebrations
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Speaker 2: you see in other countries. It's worth seeing. But again,
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Speaker 2: if you do take the subway, I mean, do not drive,
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Speaker 2: especially you, Governor Patterson.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to do that either. But
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Speaker 3: I was really shocked. One of the news stations was
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Speaker 3: interviewing people about Juve and also inevitably West Indian Day Parade.
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Speaker 3: And this woman says, oh, they have all these barriers up.
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Speaker 3: The barriers are going to make it more difficult for
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Speaker 3: people to move around and that kind of thing. Well,
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Speaker 3: I guess she didn't notice that there were six people
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Speaker 3: who were killed during the West Indian Day parade last year.
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Speaker 3: And myself, my family is West Indian. My grandfather was
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Speaker 3: from Grenada. And it used to be really the nicest,
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Speaker 3: maybe even of all the parades, because it wasn't that
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Speaker 3: big compared to others. And at the same time, the
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Speaker 3: people were extremely nice. catering to the marchers and that
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Speaker 3: kind of thing. And so hopefully, because of the efforts
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Speaker 3: of the New York City Police Department today, there won't
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Speaker 3: be the type of violence and, you know, just incidents
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Speaker 3: that are going to sully the reputation of the parade itself.
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Speaker 1: So, Governor, do me a favor. For those people who
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Speaker 1: aren't New Yorkers that are listening right now, What even
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Speaker 1: prompted the violence? I mean, the Indian Day Parade is
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Speaker 1: so much fun. There's dancing. There's great music. They have
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Speaker 1: the food vendors and the carts that are symbolic of
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Speaker 1: the West Indies. I mean, what could possibly cause violence
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Speaker 1: or chaos?
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Speaker 3: Well, the first candidate, I would say, Michael, is alcohol.
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Speaker 3: And most of the incidents that did occur last year
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Speaker 3: occurred toward the end of the parade. That's one of
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Speaker 3: the reasons why it was such a good idea, or
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Speaker 3: it was a good idea, but one that could have
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Speaker 3: been thought of before to end the parade before sundown
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Speaker 3: and before the official end of the parade.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And I think there were some gangs that may have
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Speaker 2: taken advantage of the situation, all those people out on
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Speaker 2: the streets as well. But, you know, this is an
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Speaker 2: interesting other discussion. We've been talking with John Katsimatidis about
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Speaker 2: the immigrant experience in New York.
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Speaker 1: By the way, David, it's John's birthday today. Just to
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Speaker 1: let everybody know, it's not what we call a milestone birthday,
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Speaker 1: but I guess every birthday is a milestone these days.
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Speaker 4: It's an old man's birthday.
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Speaker 3: Make fun of John but then again I'm just a
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Speaker 3: couple years behind him.
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Speaker 2: But you know John was talking about the immigrant experience
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Speaker 2: in New York and something that people and this is
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Speaker 2: something that I learned when I moved to New York
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Speaker 2: around high school time in 1981 I moved on to
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Speaker 2: an incredibly into an incredibly eclectic neighborhood my block in
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Speaker 2: Far Rockaway Queens we had Jews we had Irish we
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Speaker 2: had Italians one of my neighbors was a Haitian family
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Speaker 2: the Montees I remember them very well And it was
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Speaker 2: great to learn from that experience the different sub communities
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Speaker 2: within the black community in New York. Now, while my
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Speaker 2: father had he was a position, he was a clergyman,
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Speaker 2: he was a rabbi, but he also taught at City
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Speaker 2: College when we lived here in New York. And he
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Speaker 2: came home and told me during those first few semesters
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Speaker 2: about how different some of the West Indian students were
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Speaker 2: from all the other different students. They were so much
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Speaker 2: more serious about study than even some of the native
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Speaker 2: New Yorkers who were there. He couldn't get over that
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Speaker 2: and how very much they were not only good students,
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Speaker 2: but used to defend decorum in the class. My father
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Speaker 2: was once talking about Lenin. The Soviet leader, Lenin, and
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Speaker 2: some student in the class said, I didn't know John
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Speaker 2: Lennon was a communist. And it was the West Indian
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Speaker 2: students that said, the professor is talking about V.I.
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Speaker 1: Lenin.
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Speaker 2: So it was just a funny story.
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Speaker 1: By the way, he was.
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Speaker 2: Actually, no, there's a book out. There's a book out
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Speaker 2: that says that John Lennon, towards the end of his life,
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Speaker 2: became a conservative. We can have another discussion about that
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Speaker 2: at another time. But David Patterson, tell us a little
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Speaker 2: bit about that, about how there's a whole culture of Jamaican, Haitian,
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Speaker 2: other West Indian immigrants to New York that is a
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Speaker 2: little bit different from some of the other immigrant experiences.
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Speaker 3: Well, more of the Jamaicans and the groups from the
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Speaker 3: other parts of the West Indies came to New York first.
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Speaker 3: And the reason that they did is that they knew
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Speaker 3: about what was going on there.
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Speaker 1: In other words, the.
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Speaker 3: Communication of those who had preceded them, let them know, hey,
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Speaker 3: this is a great place to live. You can get
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Speaker 3: an education here. You could get a decent job. You
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Speaker 3: could move your whole family here and expand your family. Now,
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Speaker 3: what inevitably happened at some points is there was some
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Speaker 3: kind of internal strife in that some of the– African-based
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Speaker 3: people who came here to the United States didn't think
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Speaker 3: they were getting the opportunities and didn't think that, uh,
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Speaker 3: sort of felt that the Haitian community was looking down
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Speaker 3: on them. And I think that that was inadvertent. I
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Speaker 3: think whenever, uh, any group of people attain some kind
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Speaker 3: of success, they're going to flaunt it a little bit,
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Speaker 3: but that created internally in the community, a little bit of, uh, antagonism.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's, uh, Listen, it's one of the it's the internal things.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting. It's the internal battles that are often much
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Speaker 2: nastier than the extramural battle.
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Speaker 1: Just take a look at the movie The Gangs of
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Speaker 1: New York. And if that doesn't symbolize exactly what you're
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Speaker 1: talking about, when one person does well, well, then there
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Speaker 1: has to be somebody that wants to take that individual's place.
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Speaker 1: And instead of. wanting to achieve similar they don't want
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Speaker 1: to achieve it they want to take it yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean if you see the movie the life of
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Speaker 2: brian the monty python movie it's so well encapsulated they
7:24
Speaker 2: said well we hate the romans it takes place during
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Speaker 2: the time of jesus we hate the romans but the
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Speaker 2: people that we really hate are the judean people's front
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Speaker 2: like we're the judy like the people's front of judea
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Speaker 2: that's who we don't like i mean it's the people
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Speaker 2: it's internal battles within communities that are the nastiest that
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Speaker 2: are the absolute nastiest we've seen that in the republican
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Speaker 2: party the The initially the very nasty pushback on all
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Speaker 2: the Trump people, just anyone Trump related.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing it in the Democratic Party, too. Now, with
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Speaker 1: your Democratic socialists, your communists that are sitting there and
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Speaker 1: hijacking the party as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Good point, by the way, Jake Novak. And it's not
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Speaker 1: even seven. It's not even 7 a.m.
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Speaker 2: Well, for me, I've been up early.
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Speaker 4: But by the way, I got one comment.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: My one comment is and I say it every year.
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Speaker 4: The Labor Day parade is not on Labor Day. All
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Speaker 4: the unions, they don't want to ruin their weekend.
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Speaker 2: That just goes to show, boy, for those of you
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Speaker 2: who know about some of these parades, it's a lot
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Speaker 2: of work. Whether it's the Puerto Rican Day parade, the St.
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Speaker 2: Patrick's Day parade, for those who are involved in the parade,
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Speaker 2: as much as you enjoy it, It's a lot of work.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. Oh, wow. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: thought Labor Day had to do with women giving birth.
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Speaker 1: Am I in the wrong holiday?
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Speaker 2: That's for the birthright tourism that we were talking about.
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Speaker 1: I knew I was making a mistake.
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Speaker 2: That's a different story. But I actually have to ask
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Speaker 2: you another question now, David Patterson, because we got this
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Speaker 2: story over the weekend about the– well, we're going to
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Speaker 2: take a break right now. But when we come back,
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the new poll that
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Speaker 2: should have Chuck Schumer shaking in– he doesn't wear boots,
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Speaker 2: let's face it– shaking in his penny loafers. We'll be
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Speaker 2: right back with that. We're on right now with Governor
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Speaker 2: David Patterson. And, Governor, I've got to ask you about
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Speaker 2: this new poll. This is a poll taken by one
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Speaker 2: advocacy group. And we've just been bashing polls this entire time. But,
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Speaker 2: you know, so here's what I'm going to do. I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to give the exact numbers of the poll
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Speaker 2: because those could be skewed. But the poll indicates something.
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Speaker 3: Says who?
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Speaker 2: Says who, Michael Cohen. By the way, instead of like
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Speaker 2: a ring bell when you ring the bell, it should say,
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Speaker 2: says who?
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Speaker 4: I'm here. Says who? Says who?
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Speaker 2: So I'm not going to get into the specific numbers
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Speaker 2: of it, but it's because it's something that I think
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Speaker 2: we've all felt in our own political experience. We've got
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Speaker 2: four people on the line right now who have a
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Speaker 2: lot of political experience, nobody less than former Governor David Patterson.
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Speaker 2: But you know that Chuck Schumer's popularity, I don't need
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Speaker 2: a poll to tell me that he's underwater as far
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Speaker 2: as a popularity rating. This poll says that Alexander Ocasio-Cortez
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Speaker 2: has a positive poll rating, but here's the deal. She
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Speaker 2: has been rumored to be at least seriously considering taking
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Speaker 2: on Chuck Schumer in a primary in twenty twenty eight
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Speaker 2: for his Senate seat. I got to ask you, do
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Speaker 2: you think Chuck Schumer is going to try to run
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Speaker 2: or is he in that area right now? He's just
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Speaker 2: going to he's putting out feelers. He hasn't decided yet.
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Speaker 3: I think like any other candidate, he has to get
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Speaker 3: a sense of where the voters are in what would
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Speaker 3: now be. basically, you know, about two years from now.
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Speaker 3: So a lot of things can happen in that period
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Speaker 3: of time. However, it certainly surprised me the number of
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Speaker 3: socialist-leaning candidates that won primaries in the Democratic Party, and
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Speaker 3: also how the leadership of the party is And I'm
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Speaker 3: trying to get all of us together has really got
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Speaker 3: to start speaking with one voice and really has to
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Speaker 3: start speaking to the public about what's going to happen
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Speaker 3: if these individuals actually win and take power. Because in
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Speaker 3: just about every other place in the world, when socialists
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Speaker 3: took over, that was either a prelude to communism or
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Speaker 3: an independent single dictatorship.
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Speaker 2: But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?
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Speaker 2: Not too bad, right? It was pretty good, yeah. Now,
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Speaker 2: there's another issue that we want to get to now
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Speaker 2: in this hour.
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Speaker 1: Well, the first question Mrs. Lincoln asked is, where's the
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Speaker 1: insurance policy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have one. By the way, listen, it's
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Speaker 2: Labor Day. It's a national holiday. We should take a
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Speaker 2: time out for a couple of interesting history moments. Do
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Speaker 2: you know the term, everyone out there listening, you know
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Speaker 2: the term, your name is mud? You know that term.
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Speaker 2: And everyone thinks that just means literally the actual mud,
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Speaker 2: like in the ground.
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Speaker 3: No, it was the actual person.
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Speaker 2: That's right. The doctor who, and it was an unfair smear.
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Speaker 2: The doctor who attended to Lincoln after the shooting was
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Speaker 2: named Dr. Mud, M-U-D-D, and there was a conspiracy.
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Speaker 3: And he was blamed because Lincoln didn't survive.
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Speaker 2: That's right. And it was totally unfair. I mean, it
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Speaker 2: was a point blank shot to the head. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: even with 1865 gun technology, that was pretty fatal. But
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Speaker 2: that's what the term your name is mud is. Again,
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a history tidbit from our history guy.
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Speaker 1: Governor, let me ask you this question because, you know,
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Speaker 1: as I like to refer to him as Chuck the Schmuck,
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Speaker 1: he's so unpopular amongst everybody. And again, I'm a Democrat.
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Speaker 1: I've been a Democrat virtually my entire life. I worked
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Speaker 1: for Congressman Joe Moakley in 1987 and 88 in Washington
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Speaker 1: when I was still a student.
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Speaker 4: So....
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Speaker 1: I'm not a guy who's jumped from place to place.
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Speaker 1: I've pretty much been a Democrat most of my life until,
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Speaker 1: of course, Governor Pataki asked me to run for city council.
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Speaker 1: Then he switched my party affiliation. And then again, Steve
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Speaker 1: Wynn did it because I was the vice chair of
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Speaker 1: the RNC Finance Committee as a Democrat. And they said
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Speaker 1: that doesn't really work.
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Speaker 2: You're saying that you and I were congressional interns, the
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Speaker 2: same two. I was a congressional intern the summers of 87, 88, 89. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but I was really cool at the time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So we probably wouldn't have crossed paths.
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Speaker 2: I was interning for Congressman Floyd Flake at the time.
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Speaker 1: Oh, sure.
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Speaker 2: So we must have seen each other at all those free,
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Speaker 2: you know, because that was the thing. The interns went
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Speaker 2: to the parties that the congressman just showed up for
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Speaker 2: a second. We ate the food.
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Speaker 3: Why not?
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Speaker 1: The food was by the way very good. Going back
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Speaker 1: to Chuck. Going back to Chuck for a second.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: People despise him so much because of the government shutdowns,
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Speaker 1: because he's so weak as a party leader. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, it's not just Chuck Schumer who stands to
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Speaker 1: lose the gavel, assuming, of course, that they take it,
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Speaker 1: or at least the undergavel, but the same with Hakeem Jeffries.
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Speaker 1: He is wildly unpopular. He's seen as a do-nothing kind
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Speaker 1: of guy, which makes both of the party leaders, again, Inept.
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Speaker 2: Oh, and I got to get David Patterson's comment on
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Speaker 2: this because this is something I really hit home on
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Speaker 2: the NewsHour Weekend Edition on Saturday. This Palestinian journalist referring
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Speaker 2: to Hakeem Jeffries as an AIPAC monkey. She immediately said
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Speaker 2: she didn't mean it in the racial connotation, but almost
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Speaker 2: every politician, white and black, has come out since that
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Speaker 2: statement saying there is no excuse for ever using that
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Speaker 2: terminology and she can't get away with it. I'd love
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Speaker 2: to get your reaction to.
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Speaker 4: That, Governor.
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Speaker 6: Sure.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think what she should have done when they
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Speaker 3: confronted her with her was to say that and not
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Speaker 3: try to explain or backtrack from what she actually said.
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Speaker 3: You see this all the time. Somebody makes a terrible comment.
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Speaker 3: And then when they're confronted with it, they say, well, no, no,
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Speaker 3: I didn't really mean it that way. If you didn't
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Speaker 3: mean it that way, you shouldn't have said it that way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is racist and anti-Semitic all smashed
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Speaker 1: into one. You're not walking away from that without apologizing
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Speaker 1: and saying it was just a stupid comment.
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Speaker 2: It's the Daily Double.
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Speaker 4: And by the way.
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Speaker 3: Jake, when we do the show on Saturdays, of course,
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Speaker 3: we talk about our history together and that kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised we didn't meet during 1987 and 1988 because
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Speaker 3: I was very involved with Floyd Blake.
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Speaker 2: We might have.
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Speaker 3: He became the real leader in terms of school choice
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Speaker 3: and charter schools. Changed the whole sense of education around
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Speaker 3: New York City. And you'll notice that the highest performing
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Speaker 3: scores on tests. from young people in New York city
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Speaker 3: is from the borough of Queens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no Floyd Flake, you know, for those of you
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Speaker 2: who are going to be in Queens, maybe today you'll
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Speaker 2: be going through the Jamaica station on your way, maybe to,
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Speaker 2: or from the U S open or something like that.
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Speaker 2: When you see the strip malls and the new buildings
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Speaker 2: and the nice apartment buildings there, that's all because of
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Speaker 2: Floyd Flake, uh, Jamaica before his term. And when he
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Speaker 2: became more of a power in Queens and he's still
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Speaker 2: the full-time pastor of the Allen AME church, which also
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Speaker 2: has a, I believe a K through 12 school, at
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Speaker 2: least a K through six and housing, housing for, which
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Speaker 2: is not public housing. It's housing for members of the
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Speaker 2: church who can't afford an apartment.
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Speaker 1: This is a one-stop shop.
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Speaker 2: He's a one-stop shop. He's very much like an old
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Speaker 2: school Hasidic Rebbe running an entire town who basically took
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Speaker 2: care of his community in a huge way. He was,
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Speaker 2: it was a, it was a really interesting experience working
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Speaker 2: for him. What I was able to, you know, what
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Speaker 2: do you learn when you're, it was my senior year
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Speaker 2: of high school and my first two years of college.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much you learn in those times
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Speaker 2: in life other than what what you're trying to, but
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Speaker 2: it was an amazing experience. We probably did run into
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Speaker 2: each other. Believe me, if they were serving food somewhere, Governor,
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Speaker 2: I was there. So we probably met. But I want
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Speaker 2: to get you to stay on the line here because
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Speaker 2: as we have, of course, John Katsimatidis, by the way,
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Speaker 2: it's his birthday today. Everyone say happy birthday. He did
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Speaker 2: an amazing, amazing interview with Hunter Biden. And a lot
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Speaker 2: of people say, oh my goodness, how could you do that?
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Speaker 2: But you know, as I was saying to Michael Cohen
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Speaker 2: during the break, people come to talk to us here
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Speaker 2: on 77 WABC, whether it's President Trump, of course, whether
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Speaker 2: it's Hunter Biden, what other radio station or news outlet
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Speaker 2: can say?
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just had one yesterday on my show, When You
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Speaker 1: Know You Know. I had one with Steve Witkoff, who is.
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Speaker 2: Kind of in the news this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Kind of, right? Between him and Kushner, first in Russia,
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Speaker 1: now in Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: So it's something that you should know about this station.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, during this Hunter Biden interview that John did,
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Speaker 2: and you can hear it all on the website, on
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Speaker 2: the app, But this was at a very I think
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Speaker 2: this was a fascinating question that John asked of Hunter Biden,
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Speaker 2: which no one else seems to have the guts to
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Speaker 2: ask him straight away. So let's listen to that segment
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Speaker 2: right now.
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Speaker 5: Now, you feel there was people at the White House
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Speaker 5: because your father was maybe a little bit less sharp.
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Speaker 5: Do you feel there was people at the White House
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Speaker 5: taking advantage of him? Oh, no, never.
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Speaker 7: Nobody took advantage of my dad.
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Speaker 1: That's for sure.
17:33
Speaker 7: I mean, just look at the record, John. The fact
17:35
Speaker 7: of the matter is, is that he had the most
17:36
Speaker 7: successful two years of legislation when he came into office
17:40
Speaker 7: of anybody since Lyndon Johnson with the slimmest majority of
17:43
Speaker 7: any president ever. He put back together NATO. He added
17:47
Speaker 7: Norway and Finland to NATO for the first time in
17:51
Speaker 7: its history. He rallied the world against Russian aggression in Ukraine.
17:57
Speaker 7: And at the same time, he brought us back from
18:02
Speaker 7: an incredible deficit that we were in post-COVID in the
18:04
Speaker 7: Trump administration, in which we were at the highest rate
18:07
Speaker 7: of unemployment in this country since.
18:12
Speaker 4: The Great Depression.
18:13
Speaker 7: And he did all of that, and he brought back
18:15
Speaker 7: inflation down to 2.6%, I think, when he left office.
18:19
Speaker 7: And so I think that when we look back into
18:23
Speaker 7: the history of it, rather than in the fog of
18:26
Speaker 7: war that we still continue, that we remain in right now,
18:30
Speaker 7: is that I think that you'll see, I think that
18:32
Speaker 7: historians will look at my dad's presidency as an incredible success.
18:37
Speaker 2: John, that's not what you asked. You didn't ask about
18:39
Speaker 2: the policies. You asked about whether someone was actually running
18:43
Speaker 2: the show. What were you feeling when he went on that?
18:45
Speaker 2: He kind of avoided your question, didn't he?
18:48
Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you something. He's the president's son.
18:51
Speaker 4: You know, I don't need to gather a reputation. Gather
18:55
Speaker 4: a reputation like somebody, the gals on 60 Minutes. That's
18:58
Speaker 4: not me. I, you know, I invite somebody on my show.
19:03
Speaker 4: I treat them very civilized. I may not agree with
19:07
Speaker 4: everything they say, but he's the president's son. I treat
19:12
Speaker 4: him civilized. And that is his opinion. My opinion is
19:17
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of people around him that
19:21
Speaker 4: were taking advantage of him. And I did tell him,
19:25
Speaker 4: you know, I did tell him that a good friend
19:28
Speaker 4: of his father's was Senator D'Amato along with I knew
19:33
Speaker 4: his father 40 years ago. And 40 years ago, he
19:37
Speaker 4: was a lot more sharper. But we all, you know,
19:41
Speaker 4: 40 years ago, we were all a lot more sharper.
19:45
Speaker 4: But WABC, we treat people civilized. because we treat people
19:52
Speaker 4: like the way we want them to treat us.
19:55
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't asking you whether you would jump down
19:57
Speaker 2: his throat, but I just want to make it clear.
20:00
Speaker 2: You were asking whether there was someone who took advantage
20:02
Speaker 2: of him, whether there are other people really making the policy.
20:04
Speaker 2: And he really didn't answer that question, which was his
20:06
Speaker 2: right to do. And I think you were right not
20:08
Speaker 2: to jump down his throat. But Governor Patterson, he didn't
20:11
Speaker 2: answer the question. And the thing is, there is a
20:13
Speaker 2: strong school of thought that it was really the Obama
20:17
Speaker 2: team that was in charge of the Biden administration. People
20:20
Speaker 2: like Susan Rice, maybe even Hillary Clinton to some degree,
20:25
Speaker 2: and certainly Barack Obama himself, who were dictating the policy.
20:28
Speaker 2: And I'd love to get your thoughts on that, and
20:30
Speaker 2: also the way that Hunter Biden kind of didn't answer
20:32
Speaker 2: that question.
20:35
Speaker 3: In the... last four years of the Biden administration, that
20:42
Speaker 3: there was considerable assistance that they got from other places.
20:46
Speaker 3: What I would say is what they accomplished is what
20:50
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, who had been, you know, pretty prominent legislator
20:55
Speaker 3: in Washington for years. It was in other words, it's
20:59
Speaker 3: not like they took away the opportunity from him and
21:02
Speaker 3: did what they wanted to do. I think they tried
21:05
Speaker 3: to reflect what he would want to do. And what
21:07
Speaker 3: his situation was, and even Ronald Reagan in the last
21:10
Speaker 3: two years, not four years, but the last two years
21:12
Speaker 3: of his administration, has come under question from time to time.
21:17
Speaker 3: But in both cases, I think that the people who,
21:20
Speaker 3: you know, kind of had to make decisions that would
21:23
Speaker 3: normally be made by the president made the ones that
21:26
Speaker 3: the president would have made.
21:27
Speaker 2: Michael Cohen, you know this very well. Is it unfair
21:31
Speaker 2: to make any comparison because you have such a hands-on
21:34
Speaker 2: president in Donald Trump who historically... is much more hands-on
21:37
Speaker 2: than really any president, certainly in my lifetime. Is almost
21:42
Speaker 2: everyone going to appear kind of like a Joe Biden
21:44
Speaker 2: compared to him?
21:44
Speaker 1: Well, I do. I believe so. I'll go back and
21:47
Speaker 1: tell you a quick story about when I was at
21:50
Speaker 1: the Trump Organization. I watched Trump legitimately micromanage a guy
21:56
Speaker 1: who was purchasing pens and staples. Now, I'm not joking.
22:02
Speaker 1: I know it sounds funny. You're talking about a mega
22:05
Speaker 1: billionaire with a multi-billion dollar company who was actually looking
22:11
Speaker 1: at invoices for paperclips, for pens, and for staples. And
22:17
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, stop. It's not true. You're making
22:20
Speaker 1: it up. You're trying to. No, I'm not. And I
22:23
Speaker 1: tell you something. He turned around. He said to the guy,
22:25
Speaker 1: if these numbers that you present to me are greater
22:30
Speaker 1: than the numbers I know that I could get them at,
22:33
Speaker 1: you could go look for another job. We're talking about
22:35
Speaker 1: maybe $ 50 worth of pens and staples and paperclips. Donald
22:41
Speaker 1: Trump micromanages. Donald Trump would never allow somebody to make
22:46
Speaker 1: decisions for him. Did Joe Biden make it up? Let
22:49
Speaker 1: me be clear. I wasn't there. I didn't see what
22:52
Speaker 1: was going on. It certainly appears that Joe Biden was
22:56
Speaker 1: not the Joe Biden that Governor Patterson was talking about
22:59
Speaker 1: 40 years ago, or as John just said, none of
23:03
Speaker 1: us are the same from when we were 40 years ago.
23:06
Speaker 3: Fine.
23:06
Speaker 1: I grant you that. On your question, 100%. No, I
23:11
Speaker 1: don't believe that there will be another president for at
23:15
Speaker 1: least my lifetime that will be as hands-on as Trump. Now,
23:20
Speaker 1: some people will turn around and say it's a good thing. Others,
23:23
Speaker 1: of course, will tell you it's not. One man cannot
23:26
Speaker 1: run this entire country by himself. But that's where Trump
23:30
Speaker 1: is different than others. I saw the way he handled
23:35
Speaker 1: people at the Trump organization. How come I saw it?
23:38
Speaker 1: Because I was one of the people that would do
23:40
Speaker 1: it for him. He would give you a task and
23:43
Speaker 1: then your job was to report back to him the accomplishment,
23:47
Speaker 1: God forbid, that you failed, only the accomplishments of the task.
23:51
Speaker 1: And when you did that, he then evaluated whether or
23:54
Speaker 1: not you were successful. That's the way you need to
23:58
Speaker 1: run a country.
24:00
Speaker 2: John, during your interview with Hunter Biden, did you get
24:02
Speaker 2: an idea of what he wants to do next, what
24:05
Speaker 2: his angle is now? I mean, do you think he
24:07
Speaker 2: wants to get into politics or do you think he
24:09
Speaker 2: wants to maybe become like a host of a show
24:11
Speaker 2: or something?
24:12
Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you, he spoke very well. And
24:19
Speaker 4: I think he made a good reputation for himself for
24:23
Speaker 4: speaking well and being alert. And I was proud of
24:28
Speaker 4: him on that. And in addition, he jokingly says, do
24:36
Speaker 4: you want to run for office? And the media, he
24:40
Speaker 4: made worldwide media. I mean, I'm talking about Ireland, India,
24:46
Speaker 4: the whole world. our interview between me and, and Hunter, uh,
24:52
Speaker 4: that he's going to run for president in 2028. And
24:56
Speaker 4: he really didn't say that. I jokingly talked about running
25:00
Speaker 4: for president, uh, 2028. And he said, John, if you
25:03
Speaker 4: support me, I'll run, you know, but that wasn't, but,
25:08
Speaker 4: but it shows you how the media misinterprets things. And
25:13
Speaker 4: then if there's one story in one of the newspapers that,
25:18
Speaker 4: It went worldwide. I am telling you, I can't, you know,
25:21
Speaker 4: I'm just scratching my head.
25:23
Speaker 2: You know, there's a great singer named Morrissey.
25:26
Speaker 4: Richard Schwartz that runs our PR media for newsprint and
25:35
Speaker 4: other broadcasting. I said to him, I don't really think
25:40
Speaker 4: he said that.
25:42
Speaker 6: Yeah.
25:42
Speaker 2: And I'm sure, you know, there's a, there's a great song.
25:44
Speaker 2: There's a great singer named Morrissey. He was the founder
25:47
Speaker 2: of the Smiths and he had a solo career and
25:49
Speaker 2: he's got a great lyric in one of his songs
25:50
Speaker 2: from a few years ago, which goes, the news contrives
25:55
Speaker 2: to frighten you. And it's an elegant lyric. It's not lies.
25:59
Speaker 2: It's not, it's contrived. Like what you're describing just now
26:01
Speaker 2: was a contrivance, right? And it's important. It's an important way.
26:05
Speaker 2: Now we don't do that here. I try, at least
26:07
Speaker 2: I try not to do it, but that's a contrivance
26:09
Speaker 2: and people need to know the difference between that. Now,
26:12
Speaker 2: you know that's the difference between puffery now you know
26:14
Speaker 2: a lot about that because president ron it is a
26:17
Speaker 2: little puffing you're allowed to say for example that you
26:20
Speaker 2: have the best dry cleaners in the world and you
26:21
Speaker 2: can't be sued if someone tries to uh... basically prove
26:25
Speaker 2: objectively there's a better dry cleaner that's proper that's that's
26:28
Speaker 2: not a contrivance but to say that under biden declared
26:31
Speaker 2: himself as a candidate for president based on what he
26:33
Speaker 2: said in that interview about it that you i mean
26:35
Speaker 2: come on that's really.
26:36
Speaker 4: A stretch totally Yeah, I mean, it is totally a stretch.
26:44
Speaker 4: It goes back to fake polls and fake news. I mean,
26:49
Speaker 4: you know, we can spend an hour on that fake
26:52
Speaker 4: polls and fake news.
26:54
Speaker 1: Well, let's not spend an hour. Let's spend a good
26:56
Speaker 1: solid five minutes because just the other day, the August
26:59
Speaker 1: job reports came out. So I'm with you on the
27:02
Speaker 1: distinction between contrivance, puffery, and so on. But it's not
27:06
Speaker 1: puffery when the August job reports comes out and it
27:10
Speaker 1: shows that The U.S. economy added 162,000 jobs in August
27:17
Speaker 1: and that unemployment stayed roughly the same at 4.1%. Trump
27:23
Speaker 1: can't even get an acknowledgement on this by the Democrats.
27:27
Speaker 1: I mean, again, something good happens for our country. Something
27:33
Speaker 1: good is happening for our economy. And still, the other
27:37
Speaker 1: side has to say, no, no, no, no, no, no.
27:40
Speaker 1: Let's not jump ahead of ourselves. Let's wait to see
27:44
Speaker 1: what September brings.
27:46
Speaker 2: Governor Patterson, that's a question.
27:48
Speaker 4: I have to ask you. That was the past Fed chairman.
27:51
Speaker 4: They said, oh, let's wait and see. I mean, you know,
27:54
Speaker 4: the past Fed chairman was really, really full of crap.
27:59
Speaker 4: He tried to raise rates to the highest point without
28:03
Speaker 4: giving it a chance to lower them. And the average
28:07
Speaker 4: age of a new home The average age went from
28:13
Speaker 4: 28 to 41.
28:14
Speaker 2: My house was just bought by a 41-year-old man, by
28:16
Speaker 2: the way, and his wife.
28:18
Speaker 3: Exactly.
28:18
Speaker 2: Exactly the average. I just closed on Thursday.
28:20
Speaker 1: That's it. Jake Novak, you just proved that that theory
28:23
Speaker 1: is actually accurate. To 100%.
28:25
Speaker 2: I think we just failed statistics. But Governor Patterson, I
28:28
Speaker 2: have to ask you about that because here's a question.
28:31
Speaker 2: Of all of us here, you're the only one who
28:33
Speaker 2: actually held that major office. what's more dangerous for a
28:37
Speaker 2: politician or political party to do to talk up the
28:40
Speaker 2: economy too much which i think is the third rail
28:42
Speaker 2: even if we're booming or talk down the economy because
28:45
Speaker 2: the democrats are really really trying to talk down the
28:48
Speaker 2: economy i wonder if that is in some ways just
28:50
Speaker 2: as dangerous as trying to talk it up too much.
28:53
Speaker 3: Well when when i was in office i sort of
28:56
Speaker 3: talked down the economy to a certain degree because I
29:01
Speaker 3: was new and came in unexpectedly. So I thought this
29:05
Speaker 3: would give me a chance to make up some ground
29:07
Speaker 3: very quickly. And that's exactly what happened. But the biggest
29:11
Speaker 3: problem is I've talked to three or four people I know, Democrats,
29:16
Speaker 3: who are going to this like anti-convention this week to
29:20
Speaker 3: contradict everything that Republicans say. And this is exactly what
29:26
Speaker 3: Republicans would want them to do, to go down there
29:29
Speaker 3: and say things that may or may not be accurate
29:33
Speaker 3: and basically make the party look bad and then make
29:35
Speaker 3: the candidates look worse.
29:37
Speaker 2: And John, you know, you talked about the Democrats and
29:39
Speaker 2: you were talking about Jay Powell, the past Fed chairman,
29:41
Speaker 2: but you know, the Fed chairperson before was Janet Yellen.
29:46
Speaker 2: And I got to give her credit. She has said
29:49
Speaker 2: in recent interviews, she's a Democrat. She was a treasury
29:51
Speaker 2: secretary under Biden as well. She has said that the
29:54
Speaker 2: economy is much better than you might expect. So you
29:57
Speaker 2: got to give her credit. But again, she's not running
30:00
Speaker 2: for office or anything, so she can maybe tell more
30:02
Speaker 2: of the truth.
30:03
Speaker 1: No, but you know what they will be doing to
30:05
Speaker 1: poor Janet Yellen now? The same thing that my party
30:07
Speaker 1: does to me every single day. In fact, on my show,
30:10
Speaker 1: I have an entire segment that I dedicate to it
30:13
Speaker 1: called Michael's Mailbag, where I read the hate mail.
30:15
Speaker 2: It's the punching bag.
30:16
Speaker 1: That's right. She will receive the same sort of vitriol.
30:20
Speaker 1: That I receive.
30:22
Speaker 4: Why?
30:22
Speaker 1: Because she said something positive about what the president is doing. Now,
30:27
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. You don't have to agree
30:30
Speaker 1: with every single thing that he does or he says.
30:33
Speaker 1: But the economy is up 162,000 jobs for the month
30:38
Speaker 1: of August. That, my friends, is a fact. So why
30:42
Speaker 1: try to contradict the fact? Because all it does is
30:45
Speaker 1: it makes you look foolish when you're proven wrong.
30:49
Speaker 2: John Katsimatidis, have you had an opportunity to dig into
30:52
Speaker 2: that job? Because I did. And I was surprised to
30:55
Speaker 2: see that one of the industries that was one of
30:57
Speaker 2: the areas of the economy where we had a positive
30:59
Speaker 2: jump was in manufacturing. I mean, this is such a
31:02
Speaker 2: huge deal if we get manufacturing going again.
31:05
Speaker 4: The most important thing, the most important thing, think about
31:10
Speaker 4: what Trump has done.
31:11
Speaker 6: $ 19 trillion of new industry coming back to the United
31:19
Speaker 6: States over the next few years. $ 19 trillion.
31:23
Speaker 4: People building new factories, new jobs to be created. We're
31:29
Speaker 4: going to need immigration because we need people for those
31:32
Speaker 4: new jobs. Then we had Kelly Laufer the other day
31:36
Speaker 4: from the SBA. You're going to need small businesses to
31:40
Speaker 4: circle around those big new factories because they need barbers
31:46
Speaker 4: and they need diners, et cetera, et cetera. I mean...
31:51
Speaker 4: This is going to be the greatest economy. And what
31:53
Speaker 4: they're trying to do right now, whether, you know, Iran
31:58
Speaker 4: or the specter, the evil empire from James Bond right now.
32:07
Speaker 2: China, Iran, Qatar.
32:08
Speaker 4: North Korea.
32:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, North Korea.
32:10
Speaker 4: And China, what they're trying to do is do everything
32:13
Speaker 4: possible to have Trump lose the primaries, not the primaries,
32:19
Speaker 4: to lose the November midterms.
32:22
Speaker 6: Why?
32:23
Speaker 4: Because they want stupid people in there so they can
32:29
Speaker 4: take advantage of them. So I want every American listening
32:33
Speaker 4: This is what they're trying to do. They're trying to
32:36
Speaker 4: get Trump to lose the midterms, to get stupid people
32:41
Speaker 4: in there that Spectre, the evil empire, can take advantage of.
32:46
Speaker 1: John, could you imagine that there are Americans that want
32:50
Speaker 1: to see the president and the country fail so that
32:54
Speaker 1: they can do exactly what you just said, to install
32:58
Speaker 1: the dumbest, most incompetent communist socialist animals in order so
33:05
Speaker 1: that they can actually have the power of the puppet?
33:11
Speaker 4: It is crazy. It is crazy. And every American has
33:15
Speaker 4: to realize it out there. You know, us in Canada,
33:21
Speaker 4: we're sister countries. We've been together forever. But I've been
33:26
Speaker 4: told by Canadians, I've been told by Canadians that they'd
33:32
Speaker 4: rather have somebody else in charge because Trump is too tough.
33:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a strange situation. And by the way,
33:40
Speaker 2: Canada and Michael Cohen has connections there. My parents have
33:44
Speaker 2: been living there for 30 years. I'm trying to get
33:46
Speaker 2: them to come back. Canada's prime minister, who was not
33:50
Speaker 2: popularly elected, by the way, it was one of those
33:52
Speaker 2: things where the party uh... was able to throw him
33:55
Speaker 2: in there as a replacement and then they won the
33:57
Speaker 2: election it's because of the chinese backing that he's talking
34:01
Speaker 2: so tough he keeps talking about canada is so independent
34:04
Speaker 2: actually thinking that china is going to bail them out
34:07
Speaker 2: if they get into a major major situation the assets
34:10
Speaker 2: where they can't fix it and this is a serious serious.
34:13
Speaker 4: The item that every american chat understand i love the
34:17
Speaker 4: canadians they are great people we would we would work
34:20
Speaker 4: together for ever But all that Trump wants is fair
34:27
Speaker 4: and square dealings on trade. And, you know, Canada is
34:33
Speaker 4: not a 51st state. It can't be unfair on trade.
34:38
Speaker 4: Like interstate, we never can charge tariffs from Minnesota and Michigan. Interstate,
34:46
Speaker 4: we never, Canada is not a state. So when there's unfair,
34:52
Speaker 4: unfair product coming in, if they get in product from
34:56
Speaker 4: China and label it Canadian and send it in for nothing,
35:01
Speaker 4: it's unfair trade.
35:03
Speaker 2: Think of it as a economic Cuban missile crisis. We
35:06
Speaker 2: can't have less than 90 miles from our, from some
35:10
Speaker 2: of our major cities. an economic enemy like China getting
35:14
Speaker 2: a foothold in Canada right now. We're going to take
35:16
Speaker 2: a break right now. We'll be back with a lot more.
35:18
Speaker 2: By the way, we've got Blaine Holt to join us
35:20
Speaker 2: to talk about that situation in Iran and whether he
35:23
Speaker 2: thinks we should be optimistic about Ukraine, Russia. We've got
35:26
Speaker 2: Peter King, John Solomon, Bruce Blakeman, our Republican candidate for governor,
35:29
Speaker 2: will be joining us as well. We've got a lot more.
35:31
Speaker 2: Sit in Friends in the morning with the Takeover crew,
35:33
Speaker 2: Jake Novak, Michael Cohen, John Katsimatidis, and coming up soon
35:36
Speaker 2: to join us on this crew, Anthony Cumia. Can you
35:38
Speaker 2: believe it?