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How Do Play Therapists Decide When to Include Parents in Play Therapy Sessions? · Next Level Play Therapy: A Podcast for Play Therapy Excellence

• 0:02
  Cathi Spooner: Welcome to Next Level Play Therapy.
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  Cathi Spooner: A weekly podcast dedicated to supporting the next generation of child and adolescent therapists to provide exceptional play therapy services.
• 0:14
  Cathi Spooner: We'll explore all things play therapy to elevate your work with children and adolescents using the therapeutic powers of play.
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• 0:49
  Cathi Spooner: Hey there.
• 0:50
  Cathi Spooner: Welcome to this week's episode of Next Level Play Therapy, and today we are gonna tackle the question of how do you decide whether or not you're gonna include parents in the play therapy session?
• 1:06
  Cathi Spooner: So raise your virtual hand, if you have ever had this happen, you walk out to the lobby, your client, your little client looks at you with just eager eyes with excitement and says to you, can my mom or dad come?
• 1:27
  Cathi Spooner: Meaning can they come into the playroom too?
• 1:31
  Cathi Spooner: And so you, you're kind of looking at that I, in your head, you have to make a split second decision of what you're gonna say and how are you going to answer that question?
• 1:42
  Cathi Spooner: What I find is a lot of play therapists will just say, yes.
• 1:48
  Cathi Spooner: Or they'll just say no.
• 1:49
  Cathi Spooner: But most of the times I find they say yes because their client looks so cute and they don't wanna say no.
• 1:56
  Cathi Spooner: Plus, you know, somewhere in the back of their head, they're like, oh, I don't wanna upset parents, or I wanna make sure parents feel like play therapy is working.
• 2:08
  Cathi Spooner: Excuse me.
• 2:08
  Cathi Spooner: And it matters.
• 2:10
  Cathi Spooner: So, so you end up saying yes more times than not, and then what happens is the session is kind of awkward.
• 2:20
  Cathi Spooner: You are not sure what what to do in there.
• 2:24
  Cathi Spooner: Parents aren't sure what to do in there.
• 2:27
  Cathi Spooner: And so you kind of end up wishing you hadn't said yes and feeling like maybe you're not doing such a good job with your client.
• 2:37
  Cathi Spooner: And the reality is that's probably not true.
• 2:41
  Cathi Spooner: It probably means there's a couple of things that you need to do to figure out how to respond to that question moving forward, and that is what we're gonna talk about today.
• 2:54
  Cathi Spooner: And today.
• 2:55
  Cathi Spooner: I wanna make today more of a practical application.
• 3:01
  Cathi Spooner: So.
• 3:02
  Cathi Spooner: If you're, if you're watching on the live stream and you have a pen and paper handy, then pull those out.
• 3:11
  Cathi Spooner: Or maybe you're watching the live stream or replay, uh, here on LinkedIn or over on YouTube or maybe in my Facebook group.
• 3:20
  Cathi Spooner: 'cause we post the replays in there.
• 3:22
  Cathi Spooner: Meta won't let me go live in my Facebook group anymore.
• 3:25
  Cathi Spooner: That's just annoys me.
• 3:29
  Cathi Spooner: But anyways, we figured out a, uh, a workaround.
• 3:32
  Cathi Spooner: And I also, if you're watching live here on Instagram or the replay, then uh, I would advise you go ahead and pull out a piece of paper, a pen or a pencil, work play therapist.
• 3:47
  Cathi Spooner: So if you wanna pull out some colored markers, feel free, because this is gonna be kind of a practical application.
• 3:56
  Cathi Spooner: And then for those of you listening on the podcast, if you're driving around, maybe later when you have a chance, go back and listen to the podcast and maybe answer some of these questions as well, just to get a good sense.
• 4:13
  Cathi Spooner: 'Cause I really, I was really thinking today's episode would be kind of like a, a workshop experience to give you a little opportunity to think some of these through and really get some practical applications for what you wanna do.
• 4:31
  Cathi Spooner: So I'm gonna tug through a couple of things, working with parents as a whole, bigger spectrum of things, which is why I created a really comprehensive online course, which I'll talk a little bit at the end if you want some more support working with parents.
• 4:51
  Cathi Spooner: I will be talking about that a little bit later.
• 4:55
  Cathi Spooner: For today though, I wanted to give you some practical opportunities to figure a couple of things out for yourself.
• 5:05
  Cathi Spooner: So I'm gonna share three tips to think about when considering how you're going to involve parents in the play therapy process.
• 5:19
  Cathi Spooner: So, today's episode is How Do Play Therapists decide when to include Parents in Play Therapy sessions?
• 5:29
  Cathi Spooner: The first thing you need to think about is what is the purpose of parents in the play therapy process?
• 5:39
  Cathi Spooner: What is the purpose of having parents in those play therapy sessions?
• 5:45
  Cathi Spooner: And so you really need to be clear with yourself first about this.
• 5:51
  Cathi Spooner: If you wanna take a little more deeper dive into this one, the two previous episodes livestream, episode replays are available and the two previous podcast episodes, you may wanna go back and, and listen to those and kind of think some things through a little bit.
• 6:13
  Cathi Spooner: For today, you what I want you to do right now, and you can, if you're watching the replay or listening to the podcast, you can pause it and think about it if you want, if you're following along with the live stream episode, then pull out your paper and pencil or colored or colored marker if you want to.
• 6:35
  Cathi Spooner: So the first thing to think about is write down at least two reasons parent, you think parents are important in their child's treatment?
• 6:51
  Cathi Spooner: Write down at least two reasons.
• 6:53
  Cathi Spooner: You can write down more if you want, but I really want you to think about what are your beliefs about the role of parents in their child's play therapy treatment.
• 7:10
  Cathi Spooner: Because what ends up happening is it's if you make decisions, but you're not real cl, if you make decisions about how you're going to include parents, but you're not really clear about their role and your beliefs about the role of parents, then you're, you're not gonna be able to articulate as well as you want to to parents and then you're gonna feel like you came across sounding like you don't know what you're talking about.
• 7:47
  Cathi Spooner: Your insecurities will kick in and you will, um, just kind of verbally inside your head, mentally beat yourself up a little bit.
• 7:57
  Cathi Spooner: So we're trying to avoid that by really getting clear first on, what are your beliefs about the role of parents the play therapy process?
• 8:08
  Cathi Spooner: So write down at least two to three reasons for that.
• 8:14
  Cathi Spooner: Secondly, write down if you believe individual play therapy sessions are better, meaning you get a better outcome for your clients if you just do individual play therapy sessions.
• 8:36
  Cathi Spooner: Excuse me.
• 8:38
  Cathi Spooner: Excuse me.
• 8:39
  Cathi Spooner: I got a little tickle in my throat.
• 8:43
  Cathi Spooner: I have some water.
• 8:45
  Cathi Spooner: Whew.
• 8:46
  Cathi Spooner: I hate when you get those tickles in your throat 'cause then you're like, oh, I can't talk.
• 8:53
  Cathi Spooner: Which is what I have going on right now.
• 8:56
  Cathi Spooner: Alright.
• 8:57
  Cathi Spooner: Got my water ready.
• 8:57
  Cathi Spooner: If I need to take some more drinks, I'll So write down.
• 9:03
  Cathi Spooner: Your, your beliefs and, and you're just doing it with yourself.
• 9:07
  Cathi Spooner: So get really honest with yourself about this, really honest about what do you believe about individual play therapy sessions rather than having parents in the play therapy sessions and under what circumstances would it be beneficial to have parents in the play therapy session?
• 9:41
  Cathi Spooner: So you, you, you wanna get really honest with yourself and here, here's what you wanna get honest about.
• 9:50
  Cathi Spooner: Um.
• 9:51
  Cathi Spooner: Why do you do play therapy sessions over including parents?
• 9:59
  Cathi Spooner: Like what's the reason you're doing individual play therapy sessions rather than including parents in actually in the session?
• 10:12
  Cathi Spooner: And what does that, what does that look like?
• 10:15
  Cathi Spooner: If you include parents in there, what exactly is that?
• 10:20
  Cathi Spooner: Like, how do you do that and why do you do that?
• 10:26
  Cathi Spooner: So what I want you to get really clear with yourself about is, do you just do individual because everybody else does Individual?
• 10:40
  Cathi Spooner: Do you just do individual play therapy sessions because the thought of having parents in the play therapy session is terrifying and you don't know what to do?
• 10:53
  Cathi Spooner: Do you do it because the Association for Play Therapy says the, and you learned in graduate school and maybe your supervisor said the child is the client, so you can only do individual because that otherwise you're not really supporting your client.
• 11:15
  Cathi Spooner: If the client is the, if the, if the child is the client does that, what does that mean?
• 11:24
  Cathi Spooner: I think it can mean a few things and I'll talk a little bit more about that.
• 11:28
  Cathi Spooner: And I have talked about that in previous play therapy sessions.
• 11:33
  Cathi Spooner: I'll be talking about that a little bit.
• 11:36
  Cathi Spooner: I mean, in previous play therapy, live, live streams and the podcast, and I'll be talking about that more in the, in the weeks to come, but, but for today, when you're listening to this or you're watching this, really think about what you believe about individual play therapy sessions.
• 12:01
  Cathi Spooner: And are those better than having parents in the session?
• 12:07
  Cathi Spooner: And why is that?
• 12:09
  Cathi Spooner: And if you included parents, what circumstances would you include parents?
• 12:18
  Cathi Spooner: The, the reason that I want you to think about these and get really, really clear with yourself about your expectations for parents and how they're gonna be participating is it's gonna help you answer the question of whether or not you're gonna say yes or no when your client looks at you with their cute little face and says, can my mom or dad come in today?
• 12:50
  Cathi Spooner: Can my mom or can my dad, mom or dad come in our our play therapy session today?
• 12:58
  Cathi Spooner: Because without that clear purpose, then you're not gonna know if you, if you invite parents to join you under those circumstances, or maybe parents are looking at you like, why can't I be in the session?
• 13:12
  Cathi Spooner: Why, why do you only meet with my client?
• 13:16
  Cathi Spooner: Like in the back of your head, you're wondering, well, what do they think I'm doing in there?
• 13:21
  Cathi Spooner: Um, but they don't know.
• 13:23
  Cathi Spooner: That's, I mean, they don't know you're the play therapist and they don't know how it works.
• 13:28
  Cathi Spooner: Or maybe a pediatrician or another therapist told them it's supposed to be a certain way.
• 13:36
  Cathi Spooner: So they're kind of going by that because they trust those other professionals who I don't really know much about play therapy that, um, so you can hear my dog.
• 13:49
  Cathi Spooner: Those of you who are probably watching or listening, you can probably hear my dog, Luna.
• 13:55
  Cathi Spooner: Luna is greeting our, our neighbors who may or may not be in the yard she's been, oh my goodness, she has been barking up a storm lately.
• 14:06
  Cathi Spooner: But I, I don't think she's barking at anybody, but she's letting 'em know just in case.
• 14:10
  Cathi Spooner: But anyways, you can probably hear my dog Luna in the background.
• 14:13
  Cathi Spooner: She's, she's been on a barking bender today, this morning.
• 14:19
  Cathi Spooner: Alright, so back on track.
• 14:21
  Cathi Spooner: So that's what you wanna do for step one.
• 14:25
  Cathi Spooner: The second thing to think about is, what does your play therapy model say?
• 14:36
  Cathi Spooner: Because your play therapy model is going to influence the decisions that you make about the role of PA parents.
• 14:45
  Cathi Spooner: So here's what I want you to do for step two, write down what play therapy model you use, and then write down at least two to three reasons that you align with that specific play therapy model.
• 15:09
  Cathi Spooner: And if you, if you're not using one of the, um, what the Association for Play Therapy would call Seminole and historical models, like, um, maybe use a few of them and more integrated then, then write down, in your integrative model, what play therapy models are you integrating in?
• 15:35
  Cathi Spooner: Or what theoretical models are you integrating in and why?
• 15:42
  Cathi Spooner: What is it that you align with about those models?
• 15:48
  Cathi Spooner: Write that down, and so you can pause the, you can pause the video if you're watching the replay, or you can pause your podcast, if you're listening to the podcast, um, if you're joining live and you're writing them down, I'm trying to talk a little bit more so you have a, an opportunity to, to write those down and to think about it, but also kind of stretch your, stretch your thinking a little bit about that.
• 16:18
  Cathi Spooner: So here's the reason that I am suggesting to write down two to three reasons that you align with your play therapy model.
• 16:30
  Cathi Spooner: One is because we don't really think about it, like, why do I align with this model?
• 16:35
  Cathi Spooner: Why am I using this model, which is then gonna match up with what are your values about providing play therapy?
• 16:46
  Cathi Spooner: What are your belief systems about providing play therapy?
• 16:51
  Cathi Spooner: And then those are going to influence the decisions that you make, the clinical decisions that you make about how parents are gonna be involved.
• 17:03
  Cathi Spooner: Because first, your play therapy model is gonna influence or dictate how parents are involved.
• 17:13
  Cathi Spooner: Or if they're involved in the play therapy sessions.
• 17:17
  Cathi Spooner: So what does your play therapy model say about that?
• 17:21
  Cathi Spooner: What does your play therapy model say about the role of parents in those play therapy sessions?
• 17:30
  Cathi Spooner: What does your model say about family play therapy sessions?
• 17:35
  Cathi Spooner: Do you invite parents and do you invite siblings in the play therapy sessions, or maybe you do sibling only sessions?
• 17:47
  Cathi Spooner: What does your play therapy model say about all of that and why?
• 17:52
  Cathi Spooner: Why does your play therapy model say that?
• 17:55
  Cathi Spooner: Here's the thing, when you can get clear about these questions, then you are gonna be able to be more clear and, uh, articulate, communicate more effectively to parents and to kids about whether or not parents are are included in the play therapy session as well as how they're included in the play therapy sessions.
• 18:25
  Cathi Spooner: So if you wanna be able to feel like more confident about articulating and communicating, which is basically the same word, um.
• 18:37
  Cathi Spooner: I Those could be a little different.
• 18:38
  Cathi Spooner: Sorry.
• 18:39
  Cathi Spooner: In my head I'm like, are they the same word?
• 18:41
  Cathi Spooner: It's busy inside my brain most of the time.
• 18:44
  Cathi Spooner: Um, anyways, back on track.
• 18:48
  Cathi Spooner: So if you wanna be able to communicate and feel more confident doing that and, and laying out the reasons for, for your recommendations or the way in which you provide play therapy, then getting really clear on these questions that is gonna help you to do that.
• 19:10
  Cathi Spooner: So the third thing to think about is, so, so you've first thing is you have.
• 19:19
  Cathi Spooner: Identified your beliefs and values around parents and their role in the play therapy sessions, under what circumstances you think you would involve parents in the play therapy session.
• 19:38
  Cathi Spooner: You got real clear about your values and beliefs about aligning with a, like a specific model of therapy that you use, maybe a play therapy model.
• 19:50
  Cathi Spooner: So you've, you've kind of identified your values and beliefs and your reasons you've gotten honest with yourself about that.
• 20:02
  Cathi Spooner: The third step is now what do you do, right?
• 20:07
  Cathi Spooner: So if you're going to include parents, how are you going to include them?
• 20:14
  Cathi Spooner: And this is where your case conceptualization comes in really handy.
• 20:23
  Cathi Spooner: Because in order to figure out what to do, you have to figure out what's actually going on.
• 20:30
  Cathi Spooner: That's your case conceptualization.
• 20:32
  Cathi Spooner: You're doing your clinical detective work to figure out what, what is at the root of the problem that your client is experiencing, and how specifically are they impacted by whatever is going on.
• 20:50
  Cathi Spooner: That also includes what is the role of parents?
• 20:55
  Cathi Spooner: I would include the role of family in that presenting issue.
• 21:02
  Cathi Spooner: What are the patterns and the dynamics going on, and how are those influencing our impacting the the root of the problem that your client is experiencing so you're looking at maybe some things that might be contributing or sustaining the problem.
• 21:21
  Cathi Spooner: You're also looking for things that are helping to create like a safe haven for your client.
• 21:31
  Cathi Spooner: These are the resiliency factors.
• 21:35
  Cathi Spooner: Because that's gonna play a role as well, right?
• 21:39
  Cathi Spooner: Like in Theraplay, if you're using a Theraplay model, you're, you're having the child and the parent in the session could be for a couple of reasons.
• 21:49
  Cathi Spooner: One, the, the, attachment relationship is contributing some of the insecure attachment patterns might be contributing to the presenting problem.
• 22:03
  Cathi Spooner: But you also might be having your CL doing the play because the client can really use support from their parent in order to work through and feel more confident, feel safer to address whatever it is that's going on.
• 22:23
  Cathi Spooner: In the past, I've had clients who have experienced, um, trauma, like sexual abuse that's happened to them, and they, they were able to do some work in the individual play therapy sessions with me.
• 22:40
  Cathi Spooner: Where they really thrived was when we included parents even siblings in the play therapy session, these were their safe people.
• 22:54
  Cathi Spooner: The, the per the person who had, uh, perpetrated the sexual abuse was not in the session.
• 23:02
  Cathi Spooner: That's a whole other way of going about it.
• 23:05
  Cathi Spooner: I'm not saying they can't be, but I, I, there's a whole protocol and process that needs to happen.
• 23:12
  Cathi Spooner: For that, I'm talking about like part of the healing that goes on for the client, but also for the family and also for the parent.
• 23:20
  Cathi Spooner: So you're conceptualizing what is at the root of the problem your client is experiencing and what are the patterns happening in their environment, in their life with, within their family?
• 23:36
  Cathi Spooner: With parents, with siblings, maybe if it's a three generational household, other family, you know, extended family members living in the household, what are the dynamics in that system?
• 23:51
  Cathi Spooner: What are those dynamics between the child and the parent that are influencing, perpetuating the problem?
• 23:59
  Cathi Spooner: And or will be a resilience source of resiliency and safety.
• 24:05
  Cathi Spooner: So if you're figuring out how to include parents in the play therapy session, your case conceptualization will help you to figure out how to include them.
• 24:18
  Cathi Spooner: It will help you figure out how you're going to answer the question of how am I including parents in the play therapy session?
• 24:29
  Cathi Spooner: It, and then that's gonna help you figure out when your client asks you, Hey, can my parent come and join, join us today?
• 24:40
  Cathi Spooner: It's gonna help you also answer that question because, just because clients ask to include for parents to join the session, or they ask if their siblings can come in.
• 24:54
  Cathi Spooner: I've had that happen as well.
• 24:57
  Cathi Spooner: How many of you have had that happen?
• 25:00
  Cathi Spooner: Where you, your client says, Hey, can my sibling come in?
• 25:04
  Cathi Spooner: Or I'll get this one too, like, can my, my friend is visiting, can my friend come in?
• 25:12
  Cathi Spooner: How do you answer that question?
• 25:13
  Cathi Spooner: I usually say no.
• 25:15
  Cathi Spooner: Um, for a lot of reasons for that one, like my friend, that one's usually a no, that one's always been.
• 25:23
  Cathi Spooner: I don't think I've ever answered yes to that question.
• 25:26
  Cathi Spooner: Anyway, your case conceptualization is gonna help you figure out how parents are gonna be involved.
• 25:35
  Cathi Spooner: What you're gonna do in the sessions when you're gonna do it, that's also gonna be influenced by your play therapy model.
• 25:43
  Cathi Spooner: And at the core of it, all of these are influenced by your beliefs about what is the best way to go about providing play therapy?
• 25:56
  Cathi Spooner: Is it individual play therapy?
• 25:59
  Cathi Spooner: And what are your expectations and beliefs about parents' role?
• 26:04
  Cathi Spooner: So when you are thinking about, um, the question of how, let's do a little practical application right now 'cause we're, we're workshopping this a little bit.
• 26:19
  Cathi Spooner: So think about one of your clients.
• 26:21
  Cathi Spooner: Whatever client comes to mind right now.
• 26:24
  Cathi Spooner: If I were you, I would, this is me.
• 26:27
  Cathi Spooner: I would probably choose one of my hard ones.
• 26:30
  Cathi Spooner: Um, so I can have a minute to really think things through.
• 26:34
  Cathi Spooner: But whatever works for you.
• 26:38
  Cathi Spooner: Just think about one of your clients and go back and think about when you, when you did your initial assessment, your initial psychosocial assessment, your initial clinical as assess assessment, whatever you call it.
• 26:56
  Cathi Spooner: That time where you took to ask a bunch of questions to find out a bunch of information that's gonna help you figure out and start your initial case conceptualization.
• 27:09
  Cathi Spooner: So as part of that initial case conceptualization that you did what did you assess about the parent child dynamic or maybe the family patterns and think three generational, let's, let's go generational here.
• 27:31
  Cathi Spooner: Um, so what did you assess about those dynamics and the role of those dynamics in sustaining or contributing to the problem?
• 27:45
  Cathi Spooner: As well as what were the dynamics that are maybe a, a resiliency or a safety factor.
• 27:54
  Cathi Spooner: Those are gonna be like probably secure attachment patterns that you might have noticed.
• 28:00
  Cathi Spooner: So think about, think about those, write that down.
• 28:04
  Cathi Spooner: Write down what you observed or what you assessed to be some of those parent child dynamics.
• 28:13
  Cathi Spooner: And some, maybe some family dynamics or maybe that, think of it three generational, take a take a minute.
• 28:20
  Cathi Spooner: This one that you might need a little bit more time, but take, take a minute to think about those dynamics and how they might be contributing and or how those might be, um, like resiliency factors.
• 28:43
  Cathi Spooner: Write all of that down, and then when you're done, you have it all down and you're getting, like, you're writing it down.
• 28:51
  Cathi Spooner: It's just you.
• 28:51
  Cathi Spooner: So you can, you know, you could take some risks and just write down, don't filter yourself about whether or not you think you're right or wrong, just write it down.
• 29:02
  Cathi Spooner: 'cause you can, you can go back later and think that through a little bit more.
• 29:07
  Cathi Spooner: Like, oh, I don't know if that, oh, I never even thought about that, or I'm not sure about that one.
• 29:12
  Cathi Spooner: You can filter that out, but write it all down.
• 29:16
  Cathi Spooner: And then as soon as you have it all written down, think about what that says and based on your beliefs about play therapy and how, who's a client and how to do it, and are individual play therapy sessions better than, um, family play therapy sessions?
• 29:36
  Cathi Spooner: Uh, what is your play therapy model?
• 29:38
  Cathi Spooner: Now you're taking that, your case conceptualization into consideration, and how do you think parents need to be involved?
• 29:49
  Cathi Spooner: Now that you've kind of gone through all of those steps?
• 29:53
  Cathi Spooner: How do you think parents need to be involved in the play therapy treatment process?
• 30:02
  Cathi Spooner: What is that gonna look like?
• 30:05
  Cathi Spooner: So write all of that down.
• 30:09
  Cathi Spooner: So, and then you can think that through and, and see how that helps you with your decision making about parents.
• 30:21
  Cathi Spooner: So hopefully this episode has been helpful for you today.
• 30:26
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• 30:32
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• 30:42
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• 30:56
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• 30:59
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• 31:01
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• 31:02
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• 31:04
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• 31:19
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• 31:20
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• 31:29
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• 31:32
  Cathi Spooner: Um, So let me just do a little recap for today.
• 31:36
  Cathi Spooner: So today what we talked about is first, getting clear on your expectations about how you're gonna play, provide, play therapy, and then, um, what does that mean about how you are thinking about the role of parents in the play therapy process?
• 31:59
  Cathi Spooner: Because when your client asks you, can my mom or dad come in or can my, can my brother or my sister come in the session today, then this is gonna help you know how to give an intentional answer that's gonna move the needle, so to speak on progress for your clients in play therapy.
• 32:21
  Cathi Spooner: Then the second thing you wanna do, now that you kind of have decided what's the purpose, what's the role of parents?
• 32:30
  Cathi Spooner: Now you're thinking about what does your play therapy model say?
• 32:33
  Cathi Spooner: Because your play therapy model is really going to influence, oh my goodness.
• 32:38
  Cathi Spooner: Luna is losing her mind.
• 32:40
  Cathi Spooner: Luna, come here.
• 32:41
  Cathi Spooner: Lou, come here.
• 32:43
  Cathi Spooner: I dunno.
• 32:43
  Cathi Spooner: She is winding up a storm.
• 32:45
  Cathi Spooner: I don't know what's going on with her.
• 32:47
  Cathi Spooner: Um.
• 32:49
  Cathi Spooner: Anyway.
• 32:50
  Cathi Spooner: So the second thing, what does your play therapy model say about the role of parents and how they're gonna be integrated in the play therapy model?
• 33:00
  Cathi Spooner: And you, you will have written down two to three reasons why you align with the models that you're using.
• 33:09
  Cathi Spooner: And then what does that model say about family play therapy or parents in the in the sessions and you're, when you figure out why you align with it, that's also gonna help you figure out some of your beliefs around the role of parents in the play therapy process.
• 33:29
  Cathi Spooner: And then the third thing is, now that you've figured those two things out, then how are you gonna involve parents in the play therapy process,?
• 33:38
  Cathi Spooner: Your case conceptualization is gonna influence that as well.
• 33:44
  Cathi Spooner: And then that's gonna help you figure out how.
• 33:48
  Cathi Spooner: If you decide parents are going to be included in the session and your play therapy model aligns with having them in the session, then you're thinking about how are you gonna do that?
• 34:05
  Cathi Spooner: So that is it for today.
• 34:08
  Cathi Spooner: I did wanna tell you, so today we covered like kind of going over expectations and kind of figuring out the question of what you're gonna do and how you're gonna do it when it comes to involving parents or maybe even involving family members in there.
• 34:27
  Cathi Spooner: The, the thing is, if you're finding that you need a little bit more help about how are you conceptualizing if you, if you really align with using a neuroscience and attachment theoretical lens and you wanna know how that would, what that would look like if when you're working with parents and how you're conceptualizing parents and how are you in play therapy and how are you, um, using that information to guide what you're doing and how you're doing it?
• 35:01
  Cathi Spooner: Especially when you're working with challenging parents, challenging situations, challenging family systems.
• 35:10
  Cathi Spooner: Then I, I have a course, it's an on-demand course, so you can take it anytime.
• 35:16
  Cathi Spooner: I made it really comprehensive to walk you through all the things so that by the time you finish the course, you are gonna feel a lot more confident about your decision making, working with parents, and how you are including parents in that play therapy process.
• 35:38
  Cathi Spooner: So the course is called Getting Grounded Partnering with Parents in Play Therapy.
• 35:43
  Cathi Spooner: There's, there's a, a couple of modules in there that really walk you through how to work with challenging family systems, laying the foundation first with like a neuroscience and attachment lens and some practical things that you need to think about, and then how do you do that with parents that are, have, uh, have a, a few more challenges working with them in the family system in a way that's gonna get them engaged, where that you actually help them partner with you, that you can be that therapeutic change agent to for parents as to help them be involved in a way that will sustain lifelong healing and proce and progress.
• 36:35
  Cathi Spooner: To me, that's, that's the key is how do we do that?
• 36:39
  Cathi Spooner: How do we engage, how do we support parents who have a lot of challenges?
• 36:45
  Cathi Spooner: So that is it for today.
• 36:47
  Cathi Spooner: If you're interested in the course Getting Grounded Partnering with Parents in Play Therapy, it is going to be available f uh, until Saturday.
• 36:58
  Cathi Spooner: There's also, um, a $40 discount on the course.
• 37:05
  Cathi Spooner: I am gonna be taking the course down from my website on Saturday, uh, at the end of the day.
• 37:12
  Cathi Spooner: So on Sunday.
• 37:13
  Cathi Spooner: That, that Getting Grounded Partnering with Parents with Play Therapy is coming down.
• 37:17
  Cathi Spooner: It's not gonna be available.
• 37:20
  Cathi Spooner: And, and it also has a $40 discount.
• 37:24
  Cathi Spooner: It's back to school time, so I figured your caseloads are gonna be filling up pretty soon.
• 37:31
  Cathi Spooner: And I thought, well, what better way to help you get the school year started off on a good foot than providing a a really comprehensive course to support the work that you are doing.
• 37:46
  Cathi Spooner: This is a big struggle.
• 37:48
  Cathi Spooner: I heard, I heard a, a therapist tell me last week, um, somebody I was just talking to in passing was saying, yeah, I like working with kids but I just don't like working with parents.
• 38:03
  Cathi Spooner: And I, in my head I thought, well that's 'cause you probably haven't been trained to know how to support parents.
• 38:10
  Cathi Spooner: And parents can be a huge asset if you can get them engaged.
• 38:16
  Cathi Spooner: And sometimes that's a little challenging to do that.
• 38:19
  Cathi Spooner: And then, um, we end up saying, you know, I wish I could just work with the child and not the parent.
• 38:27
  Cathi Spooner: And, and I, that makes me sad because I know how much change can happen when play therapists start feeling more confident about how to work with parents, what to do, when to do it, things to think about using a neuroscience and attachment, kind of that interpersonal neurobiology lens co-regulation, thinking about polyvagal theory and how that influences dynamics within the parent child relationship and all, all the things, right?
• 39:04
  Cathi Spooner: All the things mentalization.
• 39:07
  Cathi Spooner: Um, that to me, that's a big one.
• 39:10
  Cathi Spooner: And, um, so the course is available till the end of the week.
• 39:16
  Cathi Spooner: It's coming down Saturday at midnight Pacific time.
• 39:22
  Cathi Spooner: It's available now.
• 39:23
  Cathi Spooner: Getting Grounded Partnering with Parents in Play Therapy, pop over to my website and check it out.
• 39:30
  Cathi Spooner: My website is RH play therapy training.com.
• 39:35
  Cathi Spooner: That's RH play therapy training.com.
• 39:39
  Cathi Spooner: Renewing Hearts Play therapy training.
• 39:42
  Cathi Spooner: It's available today.
• 39:44
  Cathi Spooner: We'll also post links in the comments so you can check it out.
• 39:50
  Cathi Spooner: If you have questions about it, feel free to message me.
• 39:53
  Cathi Spooner: I'm happy to answer any questions you might have, and I will see you next week.
• 39:59
  Cathi Spooner: Bye for now.
• 40:06
  Cathi Spooner: Thank you for joining me on this episode of Next Level Play Therapy.
• 40:10
  Cathi Spooner: I hope you found the discussion valuable and gained new insights and ideas to support your work helping children, adolescents, and families heal.
• 40:20
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• 40:25
  Cathi Spooner: Your feedback helps to improve and reach more people who can benefit from this information.
• 40:31
  Cathi Spooner: Remember.
• 40:32
  Cathi Spooner: Play therapy is a powerful tool for healing and growth.
• 40:36
  Cathi Spooner: Whether you're a new play therapist or experienced, I encourage you to continue your learning journey to unlock the potential of play in your own work in relationships.
• 40:47
  Cathi Spooner: If you have any questions or topics, suggestions for future.
• 40:52
  Cathi Spooner: I'd love to hear from you.
• 40:54
  Cathi Spooner: Connect with me on social media and visit my website at Renewing Hearts Play Therapy Training to stay updated on upcoming episodes, trainings, and resources.
• 41:07
  Cathi Spooner: Thank you once again for listening to Next Level Play Therapy.
• 41:10
  Cathi Spooner: Until next time, keep playing, learning and growing.