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“Incidental Child Abuse”; Judge Refuses to Let Taylor Frankie Paul See Her Kid Unsupervised · I Do, Part 2

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, April seventh, and Disney
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  Speaker 1: and ABC dodged a bullet and probably right now are
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  Speaker 1: really grateful that they do not have Bachelorette episodes airing
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  Speaker 1: the same week that Taylor, Frankie, Paul and her ex
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  Speaker 1: ended up intoday's court hearing. And with that, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Rhodes's getting uglier. It's
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  Speaker 1: getting uglier. We learned some details today I didn't know about.
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  Speaker 1: This is getting uglier and uglier.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there was. Yeah, it was an eighty minute hearing
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  Speaker 2: in court where you had Taylor, Frankie Paul, and Dakota
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  Speaker 2: Mortenson's representatives there in court, their attorneys and then Taylor
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  Speaker 2: and Dakota were joining this hearing. The zoom correct, they
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  Speaker 2: were doing a video.
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  Speaker 1: I ever saw them, and the whole time, everybody's done
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  Speaker 1: zoom before where you don't want your face shown. It
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  Speaker 1: just Taylor Frankie and it said Dakota.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense. I can understand why they might not
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  Speaker 2: have wanted their faces there. But it was a hell
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  Speaker 2: of a day in court and what the judge had
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  Speaker 2: to say and what the ruling ultimately was was also
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  Speaker 2: a fairly big blow to Taylor Frankie Paul.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just start there. She lost in court today. We'll
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  Speaker 1: explain what that's about. But she was in court today
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  Speaker 1: trying to get visitation with her kid, unsupervised, full visits
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  Speaker 1: with her kid, the two year old with kids they ever, ever, ever,
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  Speaker 1: the two year old she has with Dakota. That's what
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  Speaker 1: the hearing was about. The reason Robes they had to
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  Speaker 1: have this hearing is because it was immediately right after
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  Speaker 1: all the drama and the video came out. They cost
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  Speaker 1: her the Bachelorette and they had to be canceled on
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  Speaker 1: all this. Dakota went to the court pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he filed a temporary protective order, which he was granted,
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  Speaker 2: and that gave him full temporary custody of his son
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  Speaker 2: ever and it denied Taylor any parental rights period. She
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  Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to even visit her son until today. They
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  Speaker 2: said this was the hearing where they would decide things
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  Speaker 2: beyond this date. And look at that point, Dakota Mortensen
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  Speaker 2: asked for that temporary protective order to become permanent. And
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  Speaker 2: I would say, and just before the hearing started, Taylor
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  Speaker 2: Frankie Paul then also filed a protective order against Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's take just today's hearing because there's
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  Speaker 1: all my like I say, it's getting uglier because we're
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  Speaker 1: learning about more incidents and Frankie Taylor Paul is taking
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  Speaker 1: more legal action. But to today's point, and I should
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  Speaker 1: I guess you can look at it two different ways.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't able to see her kid for the past
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  Speaker 1: three weeks. She was in court today asking for that
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  Speaker 1: to be lifted and she can go back to whatever
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  Speaker 1: agreement she had with Dakota about visitation. They were sharing
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  Speaker 1: child custody, so she was asking for full unsupervised back
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  Speaker 1: to being a mom again. So she did get but
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  Speaker 1: something from the judge today she is going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to visit her kid, but supervised. Her attorney was
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  Speaker 1: really arguing that why should she have to have supervised visits?
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  Speaker 1: And that's going to continue at least for the short
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  Speaker 1: foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this was a This is I was
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  Speaker 2: just imagining it from a mom's perspective. This is very
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  Speaker 2: painful because before all of this, before the protective orders
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  Speaker 2: were filed, the arrangement was that Taylor Frankie Paul had
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  Speaker 2: Ever about seventy percent of the time. Obviously it was unsupervised,
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  Speaker 2: so she was the primary parental figure in Ever's life
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  Speaker 2: just from a shared custody standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: And we should point out I didn't know it kind
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  Speaker 1: of makes sense, but his attorney's argued in court today
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  Speaker 1: he has been taking care of that kid almost solely
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  Speaker 1: because she's been traveling. They actually said she's been out
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  Speaker 1: of town for months and he has been the sole provider. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I didn't know if she was. I thought maybe
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  Speaker 2: she was bringing him with her because at least look
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  Speaker 2: when we saw the end of The Secret Lives of
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  Speaker 2: Mormon Wives that she was heading to La to go
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  Speaker 2: film the Bachelorette. They showed her mom and her sister
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  Speaker 2: with Ever and he was coming with them. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was under the presumption that he was in the area,
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  Speaker 2: or at least in Los Angeles, maybe with her mom
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  Speaker 2: and her sister while she was filming. But that apparently
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the Hay, you.
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  Speaker 1: Can tell me if I got this wrong. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to remember that shot. She has two older kids, does
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  Speaker 1: she not? She does, but it wasn't them in that
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  Speaker 1: at the airport was it the little because where we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about now is the two year old, the itty
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  Speaker 1: bitty one. This is not the one you all that
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  Speaker 1: you all that's in the video that she's throwing the chair.
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  Speaker 1: That's a different kid. That's her older, older daughter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I am wondering was Ever in that shot or
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  Speaker 1: was it there? I don't know, see I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 1: it now, I'm second guessing. So, but it came out
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  Speaker 1: and they said in court that he has been primary
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  Speaker 1: really taking care of this kid for the past several months.
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  Speaker 1: She's in there fighting to see they're two year old again.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, what's that like for a mom
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  Speaker 1: o ropes. She hasn't been able to lay eyes on
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  Speaker 1: the kid.
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  Speaker 2: That's devastating. Tell us what that is. And you know
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  Speaker 2: when they're that little Obviously, Ever isn't really aware and
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  Speaker 2: will never remember this time where he's been separated from
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  Speaker 2: his mom. But she is like, it is devastating to
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  Speaker 2: not be able to see your son and for a
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  Speaker 2: court to tell you you're not allowed to be around your son.
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  Speaker 2: And so yes, she was granted up to eight hours
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  Speaker 2: per week supervised. That iss an hour a day. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: that's it.
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  Speaker 1: He said six initially, and they asked for a couple
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  Speaker 1: more before he did an official ruling. Yeah, he said
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  Speaker 1: six at first.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. And that is all going to be in place
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  Speaker 2: until they meet again. I believe that's happening on April thirty,
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  Speaker 2: so later this month. But still she was, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: hoping to go into court today or at least be
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  Speaker 2: a part of the core proceedings today, and walk away
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  Speaker 2: with a resumed parental rights. And that just did not
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  Speaker 2: happen for her.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to get into some of the judge's
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  Speaker 1: words here in a moment, but that is the ruling.
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  Speaker 1: She gets eight hours. There's also an argument robes. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: she gets the eight hours. That's not a lot during
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  Speaker 1: a week, but it was a big argument over whether
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  Speaker 1: or not it should be supervised. She didn't want it supervised,
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  Speaker 1: and then after the judge says I needed to be supervised,
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  Speaker 1: there was an argument over who is the supervisor. Who
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  Speaker 1: is going to be in there, somebody that he picks,
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  Speaker 1: somebody that she picks, or somebody that's independently picked. So
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  Speaker 1: that was a big back and forth. Dakota, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to pick his person. She wanted to pick
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  Speaker 1: her person. The judge. Wow, I said, wow, that's really smart.
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  Speaker 1: He said, it's better for all parties to have somebody
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  Speaker 1: independent in the room because you can trust on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: She can be in there knowing that somebody's keeping an eye,
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  Speaker 1: can make sure that she's doing the right thing. If
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  Speaker 1: he has one of his people in there, she's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be comfortable with her kid because you gotta
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  Speaker 1: think that person spying on her the whole time. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, that makes sense. I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 1: they settled on.
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  Speaker 2: That does make sense. You would not want the person
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  Speaker 2: that your ex who is fighting you in court for custody,
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  Speaker 2: to pick the person who's now watching you, literally watching you.
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  Speaker 1: Then here was the other argument by Taylor Frankie having
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  Speaker 1: her own person in there. He said, that doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: protect you because that person can is not in their
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  Speaker 1: Dakota can argue they're in there, you know, partnering together
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  Speaker 1: on this and things are going on that we don't
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  Speaker 1: have an independent voice, he said, we need so. I
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  Speaker 1: actually don't know how they settled on that, but I
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  Speaker 1: think an independent person is going to be used. But
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  Speaker 1: for eight hours, you get to see a kid a
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  Speaker 1: two year old, and somebody's gonna be sitting there watching
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  Speaker 1: you for the whole eight hours that you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know, that's rough in your home, monitoring you, and you're
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  Speaker 2: very aware that they will be reporting back to the
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  Speaker 2: court what they've witnessed, what they've observed.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about the argument her attorney was making,
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  Speaker 1: which is true, but it almost sounds no judge, she
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  Speaker 1: should have unsupervised visits with her kid. All of her
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  Speaker 1: anger it was never directed at the kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he did say that, he said all of her anger.
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  Speaker 2: I actually have the quote. Her anger is very clearly,
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  Speaker 2: unambiguously directed at Dakota. It has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: the children. So that was part of their argument that
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  Speaker 2: she's never been abusive deliberately towards her children.
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  Speaker 1: If you ever have to say deliberately.
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  Speaker 2: I say that just because of the incident on the
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  Speaker 2: video where she caught her got hit by the metal chair.
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  Speaker 1: What you're saying is one hundred percent right. The statement
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  Speaker 1: should just be I've never been angry or violent towards
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  Speaker 1: their children, Yes, deliberately or not.
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  Speaker 2: But it's interesting because what we have on video and
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  Speaker 2: the injured child is from another marriage and another custody
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  Speaker 2: a child situation. This involves ever, which is her youngest,
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  Speaker 2: and he was not anywhere on those videos that we
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  Speaker 2: have seen. But there was another video that was referenced
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  Speaker 2: by Dakota's folks saying that he was potentially at one
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  Speaker 2: point when some of this aggressive behavior began, that they're
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  Speaker 2: alleging that he was holding the child when it happened.
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  Speaker 1: This one is not public and this is frankly, it
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  Speaker 1: is the first I've heard about it. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if there's reporting on this one, but in court today, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the judge referenced and they talked about another incident. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it was the last year if we have the
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  Speaker 1: date right, not the February. There's a February incident, but
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  Speaker 1: there's also.
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  Speaker 2: There's a twenty twenty four accident there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted to be twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard because we don't actually get the specifics or
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  Speaker 2: the dates, but yes, I believe the incidents that have
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  Speaker 2: been alleged of domestic violence are obviously the one from
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three that got hurt taken off the Bachelorette.
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  Speaker 2: Then there are these videos that allegedly exist over some
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence incident in twenty twenty four. And then there
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  Speaker 2: are the latest allegations that are from February twenty four
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  Speaker 2: and twenty five of twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is where I'm getting all my numbers
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  Speaker 1: mixed up. So let's go with incident number two, if
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  Speaker 1: you will, Yes, in chronological order, is in twenty twenty four. Robes.
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  Speaker 1: The judge you could tell, was himself disturbed by this,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, I have to take this into account.
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  Speaker 1: He describes a video. Now he said it in such
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  Speaker 1: a way that mostly audio, but they describe incidents Robes.
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  Speaker 1: One of them she kicks down, the kicks in, i
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  Speaker 1: should say, the door of her two year old sleeping child.
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  Speaker 1: And the other one, Robes they describe is an incident
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  Speaker 1: in which the child could have been hurt because yes,
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  Speaker 1: she's going after Dakota, but Dakota's holding a baby.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and reportedly Dakota almost fell because she pushed him
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  Speaker 2: so hard with ever two year old ever in his arms,
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  Speaker 2: or I guess at that point he would have been
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  Speaker 2: a baby. Because if we're talking twenty twelve, christ yes,
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  Speaker 2: how you think about it? Yeah, if we're talking twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. Oh my gosh, she was an infant, like
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  Speaker 2: a newborn, like close to like just month months old.
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  Speaker 2: We're not talking, I mean, and that's even a little scarier.
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  Speaker 2: It's never obviously a good thing if you're aggressively pushing
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's holding a toddler, but an infant, okay, they're
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  Speaker 2: even more delicate.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's do then I'll move down to what
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  Speaker 1: the judge said, because you just made a point about
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  Speaker 1: that that I didn't consider the two year old was
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  Speaker 1: not two years old in twenty twenty four. Jesus criming.
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  Speaker 2: He just turned to when all of this went down,
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  Speaker 2: so like within the last month.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was months old. Oh my okay, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think about less than a year for sure. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So his this last we need to This is why
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  Speaker 1: he took issue. The judge made these comments and it
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  Speaker 1: rolled again. It sounded like he didn't want to. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I have to take this yeriously because that incident occurred
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  Speaker 1: while the child was in the arms of the petitioner.
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  Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be any thought put into the
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  Speaker 1: effect this might have upon the child, and that way
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  Speaker 1: heavily on the court. You're attacking a man that is
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  Speaker 1: holding a newborn possibly uh, and he did several times Robes.
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  Speaker 1: He said, this is not I'm not here in this
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  Speaker 1: court to decide domestic abuse one way or another, but
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  Speaker 1: I have to take into account the behavior I'm seeing,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's directed at him, children don't seem to
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  Speaker 1: stop her. And that's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because actually he said, regardless the reactions that even
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  Speaker 2: if he was trying to provoke a response, the reactions
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  Speaker 2: that occur are very troubling. And that does make us
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  Speaker 2: a lot of sense. He's saying, I don't know Dakota
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  Speaker 2: could have said something to anger her or done something
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  Speaker 2: to provoke a reaction, and still her choice to react
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  Speaker 2: the way she did is putting that child at risk. Him.
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  Speaker 1: Hearing him describe that incident, which again we're hearing it
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, that's a I mean, it's wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the stuff's on video. We now are aware,
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  Speaker 1: at least publicly, we haven't seen that one, but we
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  Speaker 1: know a judge has, and this is how he described it.
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  Speaker 1: This is two incidents of this woman not able to
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  Speaker 1: control herself when it comes to a domestic dispute. That's
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  Speaker 1: awful to not give a damn about any other one
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  Speaker 1: in the room and who was it that said? Was
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  Speaker 1: it you babe? Damn? Where not just hear this? That
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  Speaker 1: the video of her the twenty twenty three incident, Like
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  Speaker 1: the worst part that you just can't get your head
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  Speaker 1: around is that she tosses this stool. Her child immediately starts.
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  Speaker 2: Crying, and she doesn't rush to her child.
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  Speaker 1: What does she do? Keep attacking Dakota. Oh, that was
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  Speaker 1: a That is the most powerful moment of that video
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  Speaker 1: is to hear that child start crying.
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  Speaker 2: And then to not see her mother rush to her aid.
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  Speaker 1: That came up today in court as well. We'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what was said about that also what was said
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  Speaker 1: by what is attorneys pretty powerful stuff that the judge
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  Speaker 1: also had to consider.
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  Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy
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  Speaker 2: and TJ, where it was yes, another dramatic day for
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortenson. This time the drama
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  Speaker 2: was in the court room. It was all very supervised,
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  Speaker 2: and we learned that Taylor Frankie Paul is not going
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  Speaker 2: to be given back her full unsupervised parenting time with
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  Speaker 2: her two year old son. Ever. In fact, she now
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  Speaker 2: can only have up to eight hours a week supervised
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  Speaker 2: visitation with her son and Dakotah's argument. Dakota's attorney's arguments
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  Speaker 2: were pretty powerful what he had to say about what
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  Speaker 2: has happened between the two in court, and it certainly
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  Speaker 2: swayed the judge. We heard from his attorney saying that she,
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul is always the aggressor in every incident.
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  Speaker 1: Can I stop there and let's go, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we addressed it fully Because I stopped, we
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  Speaker 1: were taking things in order. We said, this thing has
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  Speaker 1: got in MESSI or part of the mess. Yes, was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff we heard in court today. But
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier the temporary restraining order. He was the
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  Speaker 1: one to initiate first an order for her to stay
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  Speaker 1: away from the kids, and he got custody. But she
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  Speaker 1: has now gone out roads and her restraining order she
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  Speaker 1: wants against him. Right, Yes, has had some pretty serious allegations.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that happened actually today just before the court hearing.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, her attorney called, he said during the court
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  Speaker 2: proceeding to day, he said that her temporary restraining order
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  Speaker 2: against Dakota was hot off the presses. So he said
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  Speaker 2: that Dakota Mortensen.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, he used that language.
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  Speaker 2: He used that language, hot off the presses?
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  Speaker 1: Why today? Why fire today?
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  Speaker 2: Because they wanted it to get the most attention it
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  Speaker 2: could get, and they knew by being in court, everyone
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  Speaker 2: was going to be monitoring this court hearing, and so
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  Speaker 2: if they could get this filing in beforehand, it would
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  Speaker 2: be a part of the conversation. And think about it.
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  Speaker 2: If she just she lost in court today, she certainly
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  Speaker 2: did not get what she wanted. This had to be
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  Speaker 2: a devastating blow to her. But they at least knew
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  Speaker 2: that maybe some of that could be offset by filing
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  Speaker 2: their version of things and filing a temporary restraining order
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  Speaker 2: against Dakota, that at least maybe they could get some
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  Speaker 2: coverage that would be pro tailor anti Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: So her, she's calling him a physical abuser, yes, she yep.
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  Speaker 2: The filing alleges that Dakota had a pattern of abusive
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  Speaker 2: conduct and coercive control, and in this order they detail
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  Speaker 2: four alleged incidents during their relationship. I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: I have four, but I know the one that really
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  Speaker 2: stands out is that she claims that during that incident
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  Speaker 2: when he took her in his car while her three
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  Speaker 2: children were still in the hall in February that he
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  Speaker 2: like against her will, took her in the car, slammed
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  Speaker 2: her head against the dashboard, and then punched her with
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  Speaker 2: his fist on her knee and her elbow, which I
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  Speaker 2: thought was really weird.
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  Speaker 1: That I don't know, I didn't hear that detail. He
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  Speaker 1: punched her in the knee, I saw that, and punched
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  Speaker 1: her in the elbow.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay. Her attorney said that Morton said drove away
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  Speaker 2: with Paul against her wishes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so kidnapping, yes, nice.
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  Speaker 2: Then grabbed her head, slammed it into the dish dashboard,
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  Speaker 2: hit her knee and her elbow with his fist. That
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  Speaker 2: sounds painful to the fist what but also maybe as
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: he's trying to say that that's why it wouldn't leave marks,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They also said. They also said that
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: they did provide the court with photos of alleged injuries
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: that back up her claims and text messages that were
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: sent between the two immediately following the incident. That was
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: what their proof was in their filing asking for temporary
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: restraining order. Yes, claiming physical abuse from Dakota.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: That's serious. Yes, if you bang, If this woman's head
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: was banged against a dashboard, that is that is awful.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: When you said punched on, I didn't think you were
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: going to say knee and elbow.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: That really stood out to me as well. That was
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: uh and I the only thing I could think about
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: was that perhaps the claim is that he punched her
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: there because it wouldn't leave a mark. They didn't say that,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, because I'm trying to think, why would
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: someone I mean, imagine, in the heat of the moment,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you're all upset at somebody. You've say, you have taken
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: them to the car, you slammed their head on the dashboard,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: you punched their elbow and their knee. It just seems
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: so strange. I was trying to figure out why or
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: how that would even be a thing.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, he's got a good aim. It's tough
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to an elbow. It's something else they're describing or it okay?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Is there? That is okay? That you could have left
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: it a dashboard, right, I don't banged her head in
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the dashboard.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty serious.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, this was supposedly awful stuff. Yep, that happened. Yep.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And and the kidnapping. He kidnapped her while her kids
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: were sleeping inside her home, so he forced her to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: leave her children, to abandon her children.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You can add child abuse to this.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: You could. Yes, So this is what they are claiming
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: in their court order against Dakota.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, that's also happening. And again we started
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: at the top here robes about can you imagine if
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: this started coming out while the Bachelorette new episode Sunday,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: what would they do in this mess is playing out
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in real time showing a much different view of the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: woman who's handing out roses. She's handing out roses every week,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: handing out roses, pushing a guy holding your infant child
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: throwing like you to think that those two images could
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: have been playing out weekend, week out, and to.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Think that these videos have existed for that long and
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: just now coming to light and going into court. And look,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that is part of what Taylor Frankie Paul's attorney was
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: saying that you can just see how vindictive he is.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: This is what he's doing, like trying to somehow point
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the finger back at Dakota, saying him releasing these videos
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: and him filing these protective orders and asking for custody
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: is just retaliation. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: His side is saying, what this is. What you're saying
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is just things have been escalating since that incident in
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and this has been an ongoing, volatile
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and violent relationship in which she is always the aggressor,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: says she often will invite him over to her house.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Her attorneys were trying to make a point that he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was in some way excuse me, yes, her attorneys that
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: he was the aggressor. He was always coming to where
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't be. Well, he was saying he was invited
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: there and possibly she was trying to provoke a trying
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to get an incident or using the child at least
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to start fights upon is the word I believe they used. Okay,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: this is the argument his attorneys continue to make. Whatever
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the argum, Oh, what do you have some of that?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Well, this is I actually have the exact language that
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: her attorneys used about Dakota. They said, Dakota is excellent
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: at escalating an aggravating Taylor when she reacts, it's one
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: hundred percent of Dakota. Dakota pushes buttons he's excellent as
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that at that. As long as these people stay apart,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: then there's no risk to the child. But they were
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: saying he's the aggressor. He pushes her buttons. Again, this
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: is kind of classic. He made me do it, like
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: he knows how to push my buttons, and I can't
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: help my reaction. That's kind of what I was.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Hearing, regardless the reactions that, even if he was trying
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to provoke a response, the reactions that occur are very troubling.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: That's from the judge. Yeah, fine, so he provoked her
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and she threw barstools. He provoked her, and she pushes
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: him with her baby in his arms. The judge took
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: issue with that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, and look, we heard from Dakota's attorneys saying, my
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: client is doing everything he can at this point to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: protect his son. Period.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: This is going to keep going. And how many weeks
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: does the Bachelorette usually go? I mean it's over two months, maybe,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: That's about right. I think these are usually like thirteen episodes,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that kind of that's usually the typical format for these
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: types of shows. So, yeah, this would have been like
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I would if they had gone forward if the video
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: hadn't come out that week, they still would have had
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to pull it off. They would have had to pull
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: it off mids and they would have there's no way
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: they could promote it, have like fun cute ads for it,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: like all of it would have to go away. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: whether they started it or was in the middle of it,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: it would have ended badly, abruptly, and people would have
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: been like, huh, yeah, I mean, it's best that none
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of it aired, but you still see online people are
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: trying to get clips and video. It's all kind of like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: it's so interesting. People are desperate to see what the
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: season would have been, and it just now appears that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that season could never have been.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because this isn't done. We got another hearing in
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the next few weeks. But if you haven't been paying attention,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: something trickles out. It seems like almost significantly every two
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: three days, there's some development. Somebody's done something, said something.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Files something, and even Taylor Frankie Paul is back on
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: social media and she had a big Easter post. He
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: has risen, but she also said that she's left the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Mormon faith and just you know, she's still trying to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: do some pr work and communicate and show how desh
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I think there was one shot of her over the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: toilet like she had been vomiting, like she's so sick
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: with all of the publicity and pressure and certainly the courts,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and now she's you know, look, we don't know if
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: her attorneys are claiming no criminal charges are going to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: be filed, but police have not confirmed that. So there
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: is zero confirmation that this is over for her legally
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: beyond custody, whether or not she would face any charges
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: for any of these incidents. But of course we will
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: continue to monitor all of the drama coming out of Utah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But thank you in the meantime for listening to us.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: As always, I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: will talk to you soon