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State of the Program · Boundary Corner Podcast

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And welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast.
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Along with my partners Brian Siegler and Jonathan Tally, I am
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Curtis Wilson. Before we begin tonight, I'm
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going to just go ahead and make this announcement.
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If this is the first time you've ever tuned in to stay of the
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program, you need to go ahead and turn it off because what's
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about to take place over the next few hours here is something
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a first timer should never listen to in the house tonight
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for the state of the program, our sponsor, Lord Doctor Jeremy
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Counts themselves. I'm Jeremy.
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I don't know if he's working tomorrow.
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I'm guessing not. I am.
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Unfortunately, but it's all right, it's three hours.
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I'll leave, OK. Also joining us, pops
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extraordinaire and a true friend of the program.
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He is here every week in the comments.
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Father of one Mr. Brody. Can't call him Brody because
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Mama, Mama go here and come beat my ass.
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Chris Lester, how you doing tonight?
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What's going on fellas? How y'all doing tonight?
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Living the dream, buddy Buddy good and as always, our great
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friend. A year ago tonight, A year ago
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today, me and Dan were sitting, getting like Chris was too,
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excuse me, getting absolutely hammered in a rainstorm at the
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Military Bowl, sipping on bourbon.
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Have a good time from the tails of the Terradon, Dan.
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Pulse, Daniel. How you doing guys?
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What's? Up brother buddy, you doing?
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The stinky stinky himself. Dan Stinky, Stinky, stinky.
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Stinky. Oh yeah, it's going to be.
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A good one. Don't know if I can beat them
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allegations but. All righty.
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Also as always, I am joined by my esteemed colleague, first of
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all, Miss Jonathan Talley, who is sitting above a casino right
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now. So if at any point in time he
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goes he going gambling y'all I might need?
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To go bet on some, I might need to go bet on some of these
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games, man. I'm sitting here watching this
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Washington State Syracuse game. Just chilling, man, enjoying
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time with my guys. My wife is downstairs.
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Hopefully she's winning and not losing.
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It's going to be a good night. That's all I can say.
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Maybe we get a committed to while we're on here.
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Oh, that. 'D be.
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That'd be beautiful. I I would love another offensive
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lineman to. Jump in the boat.
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Or two or two, but at least one. Give me one, one we.
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Know OK. We'll do one at a time.
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I'm OK with that. I don't need 5 but OK.
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Mary Hall. Mary Hall.
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We know we need as many as we can get, baby.
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OK. How are you tonight, buddy?
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How's life? I got a little gin and tonic in
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my hand here. It was a good Christmas we had.
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We had some good times. We have family over.
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I know Curtis is having a good time because he the PS5 finally
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has made the way into the. Oh, man, household.
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So congratulations. Congratulations, hey.
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Santa Claus Rocket PS 5 Santa Claus.
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Came through, huh? He bought CFB, I've been on
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that. We got Madden.
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The brand new Madden came out, we got the show, we got NBA2K.
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It has been a fun time since Christmas Day.
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Yes, Sir. I'm going to tell you what some
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of the controls like people were telling me about the RPOS.
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I'm going to tell you Curtis, going to be playing on freshman
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for about the next 6 to 8 weeks before I get a feel of it.
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Curtis. It is balls apparently.
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Curtis. How hard say that I'm smart.
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I'm smart because if you go in there and you try to go to
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Heisman or All American and you get your shit ate up, that ain't
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no fun. The game's got to be fun first.
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How many games have you played? And this, this is completely
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off. How many games have you ever
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played, started off on the hard level, get your ass ripped, and
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you just say fuck that game. Like I'm never playing that game
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again. I do not like it.
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And you're sitting there like, dude, you tried it on the
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hardest mode. Like it's brand new.
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Depending on your gaming level, because I'm sure there are a
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couple guys in here that could take them and beat the ass on
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the hardest level at the gate. But I haven't played a true
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PlayStation game in years, so that's me.
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Yeah, Curtis, what is it like? Like having a PlayStation that
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you've got to share with children?
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Like how hard do you have to hit them to get the controller back?
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I am. I am a very, very, I'm a
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delegate here. You get 45 minutes, Go, go play.
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I don't care what you play. Go play.
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You get 45 minutes for the play. Daddy gets 3 hours.
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So Curtis. So Curtis says 3.
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Time. I see where screen time comes
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from now. Oh, you've had your 15 minutes
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for the day so. Get off, get off.
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Get the fuck out of here. Exactly.
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It's his man cave. We've.
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Got to go buy his baby we got to go buy these babies APS 5 that's
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going to be one of my one of my one of my good deeds for the
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year instead of PS5 for curse's kids yeah man I'm.
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The man cave one in the playroom.
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Right. Yeah, for the babies, man.
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Let the babies go. Get that work in man.
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That we we let them have it. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm
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not the a hole guy. I let them play with it and
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they've got the Switch stuff so. They.
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Go to bed early. So OK, I'll sit here and play
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all I want to. So yeah, but it's been a lot of
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fun, so. If you want your if you want
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your kids to love you, Curtis, go buy Spider Man 2.
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Oh yeah, you bought it. Oh, man, you bought.
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Dude, you. Bought that one of the best
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games and that's a great game to play with your kids.
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I mean, it's it's challenging enough where adults like it, but
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it's, you know, PG enough for kids are into it, but it's a
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it's a great game. Me and my son played it together
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and beat it together. Well, he beat it and I watched
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most of the time. But it's just got a lot of stuff
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in it. You, you'll, you'll enjoy that
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all right. All right, I'll, I'll, I'll make
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a note that I mean, plus they got some gift cards from family
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like $25 PlayStation. So we might be going to target
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tomorrow and like I've been recommending to the Spider Man
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tale, get to. Don't let them use it on
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Fortnite skins, you make them by games.
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That's right. They will waste it on Fortnite
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skins. Don't let them listen.
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Yes, they do Forget that. You're not allowed to play the
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PlayStation Five if you do this. You have to go do something all.
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Right. Well, this is the state of the
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program episode and obviously a lot happened 365 days from the
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last time we talked to now. And obviously we we text with
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Chris, we messaged Chris, Chris is watching every week.
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We talked with Jeremy, we talked with Diane.
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So I'm sitting here and I want to bring this up.
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First, let's talk about the seat because we that's why we're
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here. That's what made us talk.
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So it's fucking deja vu all over again.
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The comments. Are already hitting man.
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But it's a, it's a, it's a different feeling this year.
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Last year we were six and six. This year we're six and six.
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Last year we were happy. A lot of lot of liquor flowing
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last year, a lot of very optimistic people.
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But when you go six and six after going six and six, I mean
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y'all. Damn good it.
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Don't matter, we're going to be back here.
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Same thing. We're already feeding ourselves.
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Hop all fucking ready. We do this every year.
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It's the same fucking perpetual circle jerk every year where we
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get hopped up and we're going to get hopped up because we're fans
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and we will grab whatever we need to and we will circle jerk
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ourselves till we're raw and bleeding or we develop calluses
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all over our. Dick our Dicks are going to look
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like. Our Dicks will.
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Look like by the. Time we're done.
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Not not mine, but I understand what you're saying.
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I'm feeling it, I think. I think Hobbit.
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Yeah, we were. Hobbit feet.
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Hey, Kev. Hey Kev.
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Oh, Kevin asked me. Kevin asked me.
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I'm I'm sipping on Terra Manus tonight, man, a little Terra
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Manus and I think it's a lemon, Lemon lemonade.
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That's what I got. Strawberry lemonade one don't
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simply simply lemonade drinks. He hit me on the side and asked
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me what I was drinking. But I'm drinking at Teramanos.
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But I don't think it's going to be the same because I think last
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year we walked in here at 6:00 and 6:00.
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We were healthy, we were optimistic.
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We felt great about the guys who went.
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We didn't even care about the guys we're leaving in the
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portal. We were just happy we had our
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guys back. I think the person we did not
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expect to show up and bug us this year for our football team
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was injuries. We didn't expect.
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We, we, we thought we was playing on Madden rookie, you
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know, CFB rookie where nobody got tired and nobody got injured
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and we didn't know. We didn't expect that to happen.
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We thought we were playing on Curtis level, but they said they
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were playing on my level. That's right.
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We plan on, we plan on all, all Heisman, Heisman mode this year.
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And that's what that's what got us.
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That's what definitely got us this year.
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But I'm not, I'm, I'm yeah, I'm, I'm disappointed.
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But I think, you know, I'm just glad we, we did something to
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start a tradition by getting back to a bowl back-to-back.
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We hadn't done that in years. And that's what, that's what I
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was, I was most excited about. We got back to a bowl.
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So those kids can understand that and they can start a
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tradition. You know, we're, we're, we're
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facing a team. I think, I think it's Minnesota.
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I think they've had like 2526 years of consecutive bowl
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appearances. And that's, I know for
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everybody, like, oh, well, you were 66.
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But those kids every year can expect to go play a bowl.
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And that's what I want us to be able to do a little bit higher
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bowl. But as long as we get to a bowl,
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that's all that matters. And there was a.
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Time not long ago where we were just straight up like I was
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getting sick of going to the Orange Bowl.
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I was just like, this is lame. Let's go to a different bowl
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game. And I mean, we were rolling
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then. Well, that was back when the
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computer picked the best two teams in the nation.
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You got to understand. And I still think I'm in college
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half the time, so it's like, to me, it's not that long ago.
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It's not how old you are, it's how old you feel, man.
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How old you feel? How you?
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Feel 20. 1. I remember last year at the
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Military Bowl, I remember being like, this is the happiest I've
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ever been to be 6:00 and 6:00. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, this year is not that. This year is not.
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That saddest you've ever been? It's not, it's not the saddest.
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I've been like, there's not some.
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Uglier. Six and sixes, but it's we were.
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This close, it was one of four games we were so close.
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Man, I was I was feeling pretty bad at at the start of the
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portal, like it was it was looking a little rough, but then
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it always does I guess. But then like primate, the
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necessary firings, at least some of them, I don't know, I think.
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At least. Some of it the starting with
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Vanderbilt this year, it was kind of like, I just remember
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walking out of there being like, fuck, like what the hell?
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And then like there were things like Crook refused to fix the
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like change the line, like Parker got our quarterback hurt
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multiple times. The staff get me.
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Started. The staff let our quarterback
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take the bullets all year. Like, instead of just coming out
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and saying, hey, like this man, like Cairn Jones is severely
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injured. Like give him like, I think it
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would have done wonders for him if they would have came out and
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like, hey, you know what? This is actually the situation
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instead of people being like, like creating their own
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narratives. I mean, some of that would have
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happened anyway, but that's just Twitter.
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But like for the most part, they didn't do him any favors by not
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like, like somebody should have spoke up.
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In my opinion. We looked out of shape the whole
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time. Tally was on that early.
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A couple people were on that early.
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They, they got rid of between, between the refuse, between the
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no adjustments coming out of the first half into the second-half,
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which is crazy because when you get 15 minutes to, to, to figure
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shit out, like there should be some sort of change.
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And not only did they not adjust, but they weren't, they
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weren't in shape enough to, or they were gassed at the end of
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games and we ended up just losing.
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And it was just, it wasn't good. But there's been some positive
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in the last couple days, but I'll definitely wait and see
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this offseason. Yeah, I I agree with you, Dan.
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I think one of the biggest things is, you know, our
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offensive line really struggled early and that got our
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quarterback hurt and he was just taking shots left and right.
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He got his foot stepped on and you know we had to bring that
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in, but we were not. Performing in the.
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Second-half his own player that we were not performing in the
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second-half and you could say, OK, it adjustments out of shape.
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But I mean, we've got to be ready for that.
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We've got to be able to not only go in and change up what we're
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doing. We can't just be like, well,
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this has been working, let's go with it.
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They're not going to make it. Just we got to anticipate them
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anticipating our changes. We got to go next level.
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We got to play 5D chess. This is big boy ball.
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You know, we don't fuck around. And I, I really think that's
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what it comes down to. I think it comes down to
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second-half adjustments because there are games like the BC game
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where I was first half, I was like, we got this, like this is
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not that big of a deal. And it was just like gone
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because we weren't making adjustments.
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And that has to be done. And that's why I think this
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offseason is a little different than a lot that we've seen
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because Pry actually did what he should do and made coaching
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changes. And that is a really, really
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positive thing for me because for the longest this time, we
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had, you know, Frank was very attached to his staff, but, you
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know, they won. So that was OK, right, To a
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certain extent. And then Foo was too attached to
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his fucking staff, and we started going downhill.
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And the fact that we're making those adjustments now is
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encouraging me. Yeah.
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And I and I, we talked about this a lot and you know, I've
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said this, we said it a little bit last year, we said it this
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year. I think sometimes, especially on
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defense, it's the mindset from the coaches was a little too
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much. We do, we do, and at some point
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you got to look at what the other team doesn't do well and
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exploit that or look at what they're trying to take away from
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you and do something different. You can't always just do what
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you do because at some point other teams are going to have
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better players or they're going to have better coaching.
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You've got to do your fucking job in those moments.
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But sometimes you got but you got to say, Brian, and some of
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that is when there's a time to go make a play, go make a play.
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You know, you turn around. The third quarter was high
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Achilles heels all year. And then there were times in the
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third quarter you can go make a play like, you know, you can
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have a quarterback dead to rights on 3rd and seven and just
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second and then just go ahead and change the momentum of a 7
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seven ball game and maybe do that.
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Or maybe you can be in a third and seven when you're up 21 to
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three and somebody's raggedy ass stadium and then not cheat on a,
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you know, try to cheat on a play and let a guy make a career day
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on your ass. So I mean, it's just certain
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things. You know, we going to blame the
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defense for certain stuff, but there are certain things that
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certain people do at certain times which, you know, allowing
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guys to have career days on their ass in three games that
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you lost. So I mean, you know, I'm just
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saying, you know, we just go ahead and get it out there and
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open. You're up 20.
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You know, it's 77 call. You know, Mark calls a perfect
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blitz up, put a man on the ground, Cam board scrambling out
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the back field. You know, in the fourth quarter
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you make a tackle, you end the play, get a man on the ground.
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You know, don't cheat on the 3rd 3010, keep everything in front
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of you. You're already up 21 to three.
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Get a man to the ground, do what you're supposed to do.
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So I mean, you know, we lost games like my man just said by
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combined 34 point. You know, Stephen said 34 points
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and you know, where the difference between arguing
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should we be playing in the playoffs or and all these people
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exiting or some or some people exiting not not all them because
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best of luck to all those kids, men who try to find a spot to go
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play in certain place. But, you know, we there were
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enough games we were in that, yeah, some things need to be
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changed. But I just don't believe Mark
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had all the pieces for his defense to do what he needs to
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do. He's never had.
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Well, that's what but but but. But Chris, that's on him.
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He'd been here for three seasons.
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It is. He's got to go recruit the
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pieces that he wants. Well, I mean, we got the portal
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now like you can go and you can like get what I'm saying Dome
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products and bring them in. But you did, but you know, you
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flew a helicopter 15 minutes down the road to go get your
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kids. You just didn't have another guy
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from another whole area recruited kid right out of from
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under your under your face. That's that's my thing.
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If you don't, if you don't have that kid leave to go to Georgia.
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You got a mic, you can play with Keller.
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Bring him in because that kid going to play, he going to play
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what in a couple more days? He going to get snapped to
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Georgia. He should be getting snapped to
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your he should be. He should be wearing maroon.
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He shouldn't be wearing red and black, But that's a whole other
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different thing. So, you know, I, I have my
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feelings about it. I feel like, yeah, things had
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somebody had to fall on that sword.
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They they decided the decision they had.
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I think of the of the three guys, I only really think one
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guy had all the pieces that he that he had to be able to do it.
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I think, you know, love deeds, my guy, like, like Coach Crook,
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you get an upgrade. You get an upgrade with Coach
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Moore. I mean Fergus, Fergus, an
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amazing strength and conditioning coach.
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You know, he's got histories of doing it, so that's a great
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thing. I just believe Marv never got
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his pieces. He needed a middle linebacker.
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He he, he was like peanut butter, no Jelly.
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You know, he turned around. He got a great defensive line,
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good rotation. And I'm talking when Phil Darius
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was here the year before, you had Pollard, Phil Darius, APR
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was coming on, Cole Nelson, guys were playing, but you never had
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your middle linebacker. You turn around and your safety
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play was subpar this year. So like I said, you got to be
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strong up the middle. Any defense, you got to be
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strong up the middle and we weren't.
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This is what here. This is what I want to say to
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Chris about that. Because of what Pride did,
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though, because of what Pride did, letting him go, it says I
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want to win. I give a shit about this place,
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and if you don't hold the standard here, I'm going to move
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on from you. He'd known Chris Marr since he
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was like 18 years old, that was. Awesome.
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I mean, that was part of shit, but when he did that, I texted
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tally and I texted Brian. That means he's serious because
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it's not like, oh, I'm going to I'm going to let Cheetah go.
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Well, I'm going to let this person move out.
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It's like, no, you literally set your heir apparent and said
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you're not doing a good enough job.
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You got to go. And that said it to me.
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That spoke volumes of who he let go.
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Tally, I know you're not going. You're going to hate me saying
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this, but it's you put it back up there, Brian, The the the 10
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points or 34 points, y'all, we can say this is a fucking six
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and six season. We're pissed, we're mad.
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We should have done better. But believe it or not, in my
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opinion, and I know Tally might come in and curse me out, we
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have progress this year, y'all. We were in every fudging game
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from the first snap of Vanderbilt to the last snap, we
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were. We didn't get pummeled multiple
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times like we did in 2023. Jeremy, said Fudgeon.
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Fudgeon. The problem that I deal with all
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year is it didn't matter. It didn't matter who falls on
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the sword for me, you know what I'm saying?
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Because you still got the same head coach.
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The head coach is the one who has to get the ship righted if
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he in his opinion, if that's what he's doing.
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First of all, I online coach was fucking sorry.
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I'm going to tell you right now. I tried to give him a chance and
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once I seen the things he was doing in the rotation, it was
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fucking dumb. Then there's all kind of people
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out there saying he didn't have a house there.
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He was doing stuff on Zoom calls and shit like that.
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That's fucking dumb. If you giving people money, make
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them earn their money. When I go to work, I'm in sales.
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If I don't sell, I don't eat. And guess what they're going to
21:47
do? They're going to find my black
21:48
ass if I don't sell. So if you don't do your job,
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you're supposed to be fired. I understand that, but I asked a
21:55
question on Twitter X whatever you want to call it, point of I
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don't know what they call it nowadays and I just say it.
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All of the above. Everybody's, everybody's putting
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the blame on Chris Mars. Marv, Yes, he didn't do his job.
22:10
He deserved to go perfect again. I'm still looking at that
22:14
offensive coordinator that got every piece that he wanted back.
22:18
We paid the offense so much money to be there, and what did
22:22
we get? Oh, well, they got hurt.
22:24
Well, you should have had a better fucking offensive line.
22:26
Oh, well, this person got this. Well, you should have nurse the
22:30
injuries better. It's a lot of stuff that goes
22:32
into it. But we still got the head coach.
22:34
So my thing is, I'm not saying the head coach is supposed to be
22:36
5, but I can't just go and say, well, he did this and he's
22:41
serious about winning. Because when I look at the
22:43
record, it shows the head coach's record.
22:46
They don't say head coach's record with Chris Marv as his,
22:49
as his defensive coordinator. It shows Brent Price record.
22:52
Is this his close game record is one in fucking 15 or whatever it
22:58
is. At some point you got to say
23:00
even when he was there, it's it's one in 12 or something like
23:05
that. But my thing is, what would it
23:08
show me if you serious? If you said, hey man, you ain't
23:12
doing a good job. I'm going to have to take over.
23:13
I'll fire him during the year. I don't care what you do.
23:16
That's when I would have said, OK, you're serious.
23:18
I think what this shows me is that that seat is not hot and
23:23
that noises got loud. They pay attention to Twitter.
23:26
They pay attention to fans. They know what people say.
23:29
They know what the big donors are saying.
23:31
Hey man, you got to fucking win. You want us to come out and
23:33
support you doing a good job of kissing babies and and shaking
23:37
hands, but we don't give a fuck about that.
23:40
At the end of the day, you got to put some wins together.
23:42
So what are we going to do? What?
23:45
What's the next step? You know what I'm saying?
23:48
Now the online hire, which is I think a good one.
23:53
I think it's a good hire. When's the last time we had a
23:57
coach come in? See, I'm not trying to take
24:01
over, but I'm just saying the online coach comes in and then
24:04
he gets a kid that comes right with it.
24:06
Our fucking head coach came in and didn't get kids to come with
24:08
it. Like that's that's a, when you
24:11
look at a hire, a big hire, that's a big hire.
24:14
You know what I'm saying? That he's got so much
24:17
credibility with the kids that are around him.
24:20
They're willing to put their future in his hands at a
24:22
different place. You know what I'm saying?
24:24
I don't know much about before I know a little bit up, you know,
24:28
I did some research and things like that, But this one kid
24:31
that's a pretty good offensive lineman is saying this coach is
24:34
good enough for me to follow him to a six and six team so I can
24:38
see where my career is going to go.
24:41
That's that's that's that's. That's a big boy.
24:43
Yeah, That's that's that's I need.
24:46
I need I need pride to and I like pride.
24:51
I mean, I know if you see this coach, thank you for coming on
24:54
the show, but I got to keep it real.
24:56
You never got to talk to me again If you just go fucking
24:58
win. That's all I want to do.
25:00
Go fucking win. Go do what you're supposed to
25:03
do. When you got the pieces, you got
25:05
to know how to do it. Stop being friendly.
25:07
Cut somebody out on the sidelines, tell them ref to get
25:10
their fucking whistle out of their ass and blow it when they
25:13
supposed to Hell, get a penalty. Do something I need to see.
25:17
You can't keep losing get I I go back to the analogy what I said.
25:21
If I walk in the house to my I won't even say to my wife.
25:23
I use that. I'll say to my kids.
25:25
If I tell my son, hey, man, I'm going to make it to your game.
25:28
I'm going to try my best to make it this time.
25:30
Oh, I'm sorry, man, I didn't make it.
25:32
I got caught up at work. Sooner or later that
25:34
motherfucker's going to tell me. Hey, man, you said you're going
25:37
to make it. What's going on?
25:39
You got to be held accountable, probably.
25:40
You can't keep going and saying we're going to do this if we're
25:43
going to make it work like it's year, it's year 3, buddy.
25:46
It's over it's year 4 now. You know what I'm saying?
25:49
Like there's no more. I'm trying to figure it out.
25:52
You fucking have figured it out and you got to go and win.
25:56
You got it. The games that you're supposed
25:57
to win go in. Stop the hiding.
26:00
You got Kyron walking around they.
26:03
Anyway, I'm gonna stop right now.
26:04
We'll get on that later. Callie brings up a really good
26:10
point, and I've been saying it for years.
26:12
You build your offense around an offensive line.
26:14
You can't get a poverty offensive line and expect your
26:18
skilled positions to stay protected and do their jobs.
26:22
It's impossible. We were lucky we were able to.
26:25
Have the Jeremy Jeremy, remember what you're saying, but I won't
26:28
Matty B is is is a cool me and Maddie talk pretty good, but I
26:32
want to put that up. I want you to put that up what
26:35
Matty B says right there which. One these two tally.
26:40
The first one. The first one.
26:43
I got it. So so Matty B says look at
26:50
Schlee and Pop, look at Schlee and Pop's game.
26:52
Kyron isn't any good. Same offensive coordinator,
26:55
totally different execution. Schlee got fucking hurt.
26:59
What are you talking about? Schlee got fucking knocked out
27:02
of the game. So what game am I watching that
27:04
Schlee did so good the offensive line got him fucking pummeled as
27:08
well. And then Pop played against and
27:11
then Pop got pumped against Duke and then he just, I don't know,
27:15
against a fucking sorry ass UVA. Then hot fat ass could have got
27:19
out there and played against quarterback against them.
27:21
I could have put Curtis Little boys out there and we would have
27:24
still fucking beat UVA. Come on.
27:28
That's the kind of that's the things.
27:30
That's the things that get me when people with fans get on
27:33
here and they say stupid ass shit.
27:35
Maddie, you're a cool dude, but I got to check you when you're
27:37
talking dumb. You said, you said.
27:39
No, Maddie, it's not a cool dude.
27:41
Put his next. Comment up, he said.
27:44
He said Kyrie. Isn't.
27:46
Any different look at pop and we still fucking lost the game.
27:52
We still fucking. Lost.
27:55
It don't matter who was playing. We was losing and and then
27:58
people told me the offensive coordinator, we scored 30
28:02
points. Well, if you can score fucking
28:03
50 points and you score 30, you ain't doing good.
28:07
I'm just saying, man, we had people sitting on the bench that
28:10
could play, whether it was our starting quarterback was hurt in
28:14
Vanderbilt. I was sitting in the stands by
28:16
my boy Greg. Shout out to Greg and his
28:18
family's dad's awesome. I'm sitting by them and I said
28:21
Karen's hurt. Y'all, y'all understand that,
28:23
right? I've never seen a football
28:25
player of his statue go down on his face and they said it's
28:30
cramps. Well guess what?
28:32
His fucking ribs was hurt and guess what?
28:35
Our coaches did put it back. In the game.
28:38
Back in the game. He hurt his ankle, he hurt his
28:40
ribs, he hurt his shoulder, he hurt he one time he walked out
28:44
of a game with a knee brace on one leg and A and and and a boot
28:49
on the other one. I got fans to tell me that he is
28:52
no good. OK, man, you better know what
28:55
you're talking about before you start calling these kids.
28:57
Sorry. I'm just saying the the grown
28:59
men that make more money than those kids or as much money as
29:03
those kids, what they grown to. I ain't saying the kids don't
29:05
deserve some scrutiny, but I'm telling y'all, the coaches knew
29:09
more stuff than what they let y'all know.
29:12
They let they didn't let y'all know a lot of stuff and some of
29:15
those players put them bullets for those coaches and that's
29:19
bullshit. That's what I'm upset about for
29:21
this whole year. Well, Tally, we we discussed
29:24
that throughout the year numerous times.
29:25
And what pissed you the fuck off is you go get a six year
29:28
quarterback and if Kyra's hurt, it's like you have a fucking
29:32
backup for a reason. Put him in, play him.
29:36
Yep, that's on you and I, and I know.
29:39
And I love Coach Pride too. Please come back on with us,
29:41
Coach Pride. But he.
29:45
He will at the same time. But I know he will.
29:48
Yeah, but. But the whole piece that goes to
29:50
that is you brought him in if Kyron's hurt and you know he's
29:53
banging because I know Brian played the collegiate level,
29:57
Tally played the collegiate level.
29:58
Jeremy, you played high school ball.
30:01
Y'all. Aren't going to ever tell
30:02
anybody you're too fucking hurt to play.
30:04
You're going to try to. Tell anybody.
30:05
That. You can't be in your hands it.
30:09
Might be in your hands, it can't be in your, it can't be in the
30:12
players hands. Right, but you're.
30:15
Going to end up having somebody out here like Muhammad Ali, but
30:18
I got older. I used to dislocate my shoulder
30:22
and pop it back into place and. Keep quiet, but.
30:25
I but here's here's the problem that I feel more than anything.
30:28
Yeah, he got he got banged at Vanderbilt and he fought through
30:32
it. The only time I only time I
30:33
really, I was infuriated is when he did get hurt at Rutgers.
30:37
And he damn, that's that's when he for sure got hurt and they
30:42
made a joke about it, which pissed me off.
30:44
But there, there couldn't have been.
30:45
There was not going to be a coach prepared or anything that
30:49
was going to keep him from playing against Miami.
30:51
And they're about the problem because if you're going to do
30:54
it, if you turned around as we watch the season go along, he
30:58
didn't play great against Marshall, but he got passing.
31:02
He did his thing against ODU, but when he got hurt against
31:05
Rutgers, he was not going to miss that Miami game no matter
31:09
what. That was his best game of the
31:11
season by far. That was his best game.
31:14
We won. That fucking game.
31:16
Well, well, yeah, but there there lies another problem in
31:20
that because, you know, you can't be running around
31:24
complaining in places saying people the offense is hokey and
31:29
stuff like that, pun intended, and not do your fucking job.
31:35
You can't lead in hey, man, just go on with it, man.
31:38
You can't lead in drops, man. You can't fucking lead in drops,
31:43
man. You can't and talk shit about
31:46
the program or have your family talk shit about the program.
31:49
You know, and, and that didn't make any kind of sense.
31:52
But that boy is out there on one foot.
31:54
He wasn't going to miss the Miami game.
31:56
So if you, if he, if you turn around and know he's hurt, he
32:00
plays great in Miami, then you go ahead and play Slee against
32:04
Stanford. You play Slee going down, down
32:07
the stretch, you know, or whatever.
32:09
Until he's a. Couple of games until he's
32:11
ready, but with his foot, the thing about the the biggest
32:14
thing about a foot injury, depending on what it is, if it's
32:17
spraying, we can work through it.
32:18
If it's broke, that's a longer injury than anybody can expect,
32:22
especially for a mobile quarterback.
32:24
His feet are so important to what he does that Kyron is just
32:30
such a a great kid and a hard worker and a guy that's going to
32:35
fight, man. It's a it it, it was just to
32:39
watch him go and take the take the arrows that he took, man and
32:43
never said nothing negative man never.
32:45
And still didn't leave, still didn't leave when he got when he
32:48
got his degree. Still, still.
32:49
Yeah. When?
32:49
He got his degree, man. I love that kid, man.
32:51
I'm real talk, man. He, he just, he just did more,
32:55
you know, but but Kevin says something to me, man.
32:58
Me and him were we at TOTS and we was drinking, you know,
33:02
Virginia, Shirley Temples, man. He gave me one statement that I
33:05
will always hold true, man, People think they matter and we
33:10
and people love the fans. I love the fans.
33:13
I love people like. But sometimes, man, you got to
33:15
understand this thing is more than football and that boy loves
33:18
it here. There is not a there's not an
33:21
ounce of him that does not love it here.
33:23
He loves Virginia Tech, he loves hockey nation.
33:27
So for them, you know, to just drag him the way they did, no
33:31
seeing that he was deficient, a lot of that go a lot of that go
33:36
to, you know, coaching. But they wanted to let him tough
33:38
it out. But they did the same thing with
33:39
Wells. They're going to give a guy the
33:42
ability to tough it out. And sometimes you like y'all
33:44
said man, you got to protect that kid from himself.
33:47
Sometimes you can't give somebody enough rope to hang
33:50
themselves and put themselves in a situation where they get
33:53
themselves hurt more and where they are hurting their team,
33:56
unfortunately, because they aren't the person that they can
34:00
be and they aren't the player that they can be given those
34:02
limitations. Now, Jeremy, I do want you to
34:05
weigh in. What is the amount here?
34:07
How much goddamn Toradol did they feed Chiron this year?
34:10
Are his kidneys OK? Toradol is notoriously hard on
34:14
your kidneys. You give a lot of Toradol, it's
34:17
going to rough him up. But I will say he is tough and
34:20
he is a big guy and he can handle it.
34:24
He's young. But but Jeremy, he wasn't the
34:29
only one. Yeah, Jeremy, he wasn't the only
34:31
one walking around there dying. You asked Steven Gosnell, coming
34:35
coming off of ACL, less than damn a year turned around.
34:39
He's got a broken rib and bruised ribs diving from
34:43
footballs, giving it everything he got, man.
34:46
I, I, I just don't have no empathy for anybody saying, oh,
34:50
hey, this wasn't perfectly placed or stuff like that.
34:52
Man, go catch the goddamn football, man when it's thrown
34:55
to you. Yeah, my entire thing is like,
35:00
these kids are hurt. We got to save them from
35:01
themselves. But the coaching staff, the
35:04
pressure they were under because every game felt like a must win
35:07
game because we had such high expectations.
35:09
And I think that drove a lot of it.
35:11
And I put a lot of that blame on the coaching staff squarely
35:15
because we've got to take care of these guys because you're not
35:18
just risking, oh, you know, you're going to aggravate an
35:20
injury and they're going to be out longer.
35:22
You're risking their long term health and they've got an entire
35:25
entire life to think of. They're going to be carrying
35:27
this the rest of their life. We've got to take care of them.
35:31
Yeah. But I think and that came to the
35:33
point where go ahead, Dan. Go ahead, Dan.
35:35
But like, we're talking about injuries, and some of these
35:39
injuries were created by the offensive line.
35:47
Every single fucking. Injury.
35:50
Except for Jalen Stroman, every single fucking injury was on the
35:53
offensive line. It's more of an indictment on
35:56
Rod Crook that Matt Moore has been here 3 days and has had
36:00
more movement in the portal than he did in two portals.
36:04
And if he's bringing the horses? If he's bringing.
36:07
The horses. Maybe we can remember what
36:09
you're saying. Let's talk about this because I
36:11
don't know what Ron. Where is Ron Crook from?
36:14
Where is he from? Is he from West?
36:15
Virginia. He's from West Virginia.
36:18
OK, so he out there with the heels have eyes, people.
36:20
All right, Ron, this is what I need you to go do, man.
36:24
I need you to go take your pension that you got.
36:29
Go fishing. Whack your meat into the water.
36:34
Maybe some fish will eat it. Never sit foot again in
36:38
Blacksburg. Never, never sit foot again in
36:41
Blacksburg because you did not recruit.
36:44
You was there for however many years.
36:46
I'll say to you, one year is enough.
36:48
And you don't go get no Lyman. You get no Lyman.
36:52
Man, the place where we need to help the most, you know, black,
36:57
heady and then we there's. Eggs in the water, No.
37:01
And we and we never and we never seen him and we never seen him.
37:05
We've never seen Cunningham. And neither.
37:10
One of the other you never seen. Him Cunningham had his, I mean
37:14
the head of his Dick in the two deep but like Freddy didn't even
37:17
sniff that. Shit Freddy like.
37:19
I think Freddy. Freddy quit.
37:21
I think he quit football. That's OK.
37:25
Ron Crook, you deserve you are a war criminal.
37:28
Ron Crook, you are a war criminal.
37:29
For what you did in West Warren, you got every single person on
37:35
our fucking team hurt and you was doing zoom meetings to coach
37:39
an offensive line. You deserve to have your ass
37:41
whooped and probably you should have been the one to whoop his
37:44
ass. That's ridiculous.
37:48
The office of line coach the the office of line coach is horrible
37:52
and the and the strength and condition coach is horrible.
37:55
Is that crazy? Am I crazy for?
37:58
Well, that's the people that got fired.
37:59
Hey, that's the people. You are on both of those, Ally.
38:03
These are the people we can. Jump on these are our wonderful
38:06
scapegoats that we get to have and just like brutalize like
38:09
it's great. I just don't.
38:11
I also love the judgment's. Issue I I didn't jump, I didn't
38:14
jump in and then. Taylor's night.
38:16
Don't go back to Blacksburg. We'll murder you.
38:19
I. Because I just don't understand
38:21
it man. I just, I just really don't
38:23
understand it because my mentality, like I understand
38:28
they have to be professional and I'm glad they are, but I see
38:31
coaches who are successful who aren't as professional as our
38:36
coaches. Like the only thing that I can
38:38
say about Marv, because I know some people who kind of know
38:41
Marv personally and I kind of, I know he was trying to go through
38:45
the job and get it done the right way.
38:48
But at the same time, like, I need you to nut up a little bit.
38:51
If things ain't going right, you got to let somebody know.
38:53
Closed mouths don't get fed. I didn't see you throwing no
38:56
hats on the sideline. I need to see a motherfucker
38:59
like Kirby Smart used to be on that sideline when he was the
39:02
defensive coordinator. Like like Will Muschamp used to
39:05
be like, come on, man. Like show some kind of like that
39:08
cool shit got to be out the window when you keep losing
39:11
games. And then we keep talking about
39:15
next week we're going to get better or next week we're going
39:17
to No, man, you got to fix it. You got to nut up.
39:20
Sometimes it just pisses. Me off when I look back over the
39:31
season and I've been waiting to unload this of this show just so
39:35
I could talk about like the bullshit that we had to go
39:38
through and we had to see. And again, I know they had to be
39:42
professional, but fuck the professionalism when you keep
39:44
losing. I fucking hate Patton Arduzzi,
39:47
not as a person, but just like as a coach, but I respect the
39:50
hell out of him because he on that sideline, he trying to do
39:54
anything he can to win anything he can to win, cheat, shoot cags
39:59
on the players. He don't care.
40:00
Like I anything that they say Darduzzi did, I'll be like,
40:03
yeah, that motherfucker did it. You know what I'm saying?
40:05
Like if they was like he slashed the coach's tires before we got
40:08
to the game, I'd be like, yeah, he probably did that.
40:10
But I can look at him. I I can look at him and tell
40:14
that motherfucker wants to win the game.
40:17
He may not win them all, but he wants to.
40:19
Our coaches, they were just cool.
40:22
There's a time and. Trace to be even man.
40:25
You have the. Time and a place to be even
40:26
killed. But there's also a time.
40:28
And a place where you got to light fire somebody's ass.
40:31
Yeah. Because you got players always
40:34
just. Lead with that I will you know,
40:37
we, we, we should have did this. We could have did this.
40:39
At some point you got to light a fire under your ass, the
40:43
player's ass, the referee's ass. You got to get.
40:47
I wanted something fashion into this thing so.
40:50
You're as pissed off as the fans feel like in that moment,
40:53
because the fans feel like it sometimes.
40:55
Like you got to match our energy just a little bit.
40:59
Yeah, as talent. Has.
41:00
Nut up or go nut in the river. Go ahead and.
41:02
Certain and certain things like certain things as.
41:07
Maybe the fish will come to you. Everybody knows I love Brent
41:10
Pryor. Everybody knows I love Brent
41:11
Pryor, right? But like when that shit happened
41:14
in the season that that they talked about on the, I don't
41:17
know where they talked about it, but like there was that issue
41:20
with the offensive line amongst each other and it ended up being
41:23
them versus crook. Like you got to step like at
41:26
some point, probably should have been like, I don't give a fuck.
41:29
Like Parker Clemens is like, he's sitting down like we're
41:32
like, we're changing some shit on this line because too many of
41:35
the people that we invested a lot of money in are getting
41:37
fucked up. But I I've, I've had this
41:42
argument over and over on Twitter all year long.
41:46
Goes back to the fact of the matter that you didn't recruit
41:49
guys when he got here. The way Rudolph left your
41:52
system. Fine Garrett.
41:55
Garrett could play, but Chaplin that when Chaplin got hurt
42:00
against ODU that affected a lot more things than what we on the
42:04
outside thought about with him being hurt and playing through
42:07
that. You couldn't make Garrett your
42:10
full time right tackle That would have that probably would
42:13
have ended some some stuff. You probably don't get Tyron
42:16
hurt against Rutgers if Johnny Garrett is your full time right
42:21
tackle, but Taplin kept getting hurt.
42:23
Right, but they benched, they benched Chick.
42:27
Why couldn't they bench Parker? Well, because you didn't.
42:30
Want the right? You didn't have another tackle.
42:33
The the issue, what he was saying in this case is you have
42:35
to be smart in your in your death chart protection because X
42:40
got banged and you're starting Johnny, then you've completely
42:43
fucked up your rotation because at that point.
42:46
It's ex. Tablet got hurt every week.
42:49
No, he's he. He got hurt.
42:51
I watched that man get carted off and come back to the next
42:53
series like that man was getting hurt.
42:57
Yeah, when he got when he got hurt at O to you and you turned
43:00
around and you played, you know, musical chairs then, but he kept
43:03
getting hurt. So you know, that was kind of
43:06
the point. Hey bench Parker play Johnny at
43:10
the right and and just ride with it.
43:12
You know, Leigh Ganem getting hurt and not being that's that's
43:16
kind of only reason why you saw Bob Schick, because Leigh got
43:19
hurt. They were going to go through
43:20
the they were going to go through the growing pains of
43:23
getting late to the point that he could go.
43:25
So it, you know, not him, not crook, not not recruiting more
43:31
guys or getting able to get some other guys in the portal.
43:33
That was it. You know, I was sitting there
43:35
earlier today whenever I was talking about these guys from
43:37
West Virginia coming, I was like, oh, well, you might lose
43:39
this guy. This guy might you got to man,
43:41
you got to have 12 guys in that in for a whole line.
43:44
You got to have 12 guys and guys fighting.
43:46
Entries that don't happen. This don't happen.
43:49
Don't happen. The people get complacent.
43:51
The. Other piece we always talk about
43:53
on this, and Brian and Tally always attest to it, is there
43:56
are some people that do not practice well.
43:59
They play well, they do not practice well.
44:02
And it's always that discussion was was whoever was at right
44:05
tackle, whether it was Cunningham, Johnny, or they just
44:07
didn't look good in practice, in where you put some people on the
44:11
field in a game, they're absolute animals.
44:13
They're the best player you've ever seen.
44:14
You put them in practice, they're thinking, you put them
44:17
on the field. There's no thought.
44:19
It's attack. And I think that's where we all
44:21
wanted to be at some point in the season, like just try
44:24
something. He is, he is a liability.
44:27
He's already got people hurt. Just try something.
44:30
If you try something that might have saved your job, because it
44:33
might have been, you put Cunningham out there, he starts
44:35
running through people. It's like, oh, wait a second, we
44:37
figured something out, right? Yeah.
44:40
Completely different in every sport.
44:43
You see kids get in a cage in baseball, tally your son, you
44:46
know this and they cream it. You put them up there in a plate
44:50
live game situation, they back out.
44:52
They don't know what the fuck to do.
44:54
You. Have to just let people go.
44:56
During the game. We had.
44:57
Let's talk about Marshall. Game In the ODU game, there were
45:01
times that you could have just said I'm going to do this the
45:05
whole half. Part of coach.
45:08
Evaluation. Part of coach evaluation is not
45:11
just saying who is my best guy right now.
45:14
It's also saying and being able to evaluate what's this guy's
45:18
ceiling, what is his potential, what can he give me if he can
45:21
put the pieces together, and what is it going to take for him
45:24
to put those pieces together. And sometimes what it fucking
45:26
takes is live snaps against opponent that you don't mind
45:30
hitting the fuck out of every day.
45:32
Sometimes it takes. It takes those types of.
45:34
Reps to get a guy right and, and sometimes you got to understand
45:39
that if I want to reach my greatest potential, I've got to
45:42
get that guy out there more regularly.
45:44
Whether he's a full time starter, whether he's a part
45:46
time or whatever he is, you got to get him on the field so you
45:51
can realize and maximize your potential as a group.
45:54
There's also weird internal. Politics when it comes to teams
45:57
like there, there, there is like there's like this weird
46:01
hierarchy and if you show out at a certain way, it's it's odd.
46:06
Yeah, right. You got to when you when you are
46:09
a losing program, hate to say it or a mid program, you have to
46:14
throw that stuff out. You have to find a way and
46:16
that's what they're recruiting kids and saying.
46:17
That's why I was I was about to bring this up.
46:19
Glad you said that, Jeremy. Somebody said, somebody said
46:25
earlier, yes, he does. Somebody said earlier that Chris
46:30
Chris was a a player parent. I can't remember exactly what
46:34
the comment said, but it pretty. Much said.
46:35
Let me pull it up here in the show.
46:37
Yeah, pull it up. It's about a pawn shop owner or
46:40
some shit. I don't.
46:42
Wrong one pawn shop owner. He's a pawn.
46:44
Shop. Hold on.
46:45
This right here. There you go.
46:46
This is what you want to talk to Tally?
46:48
That was Jr. Yeah.
46:49
So he says. He says no, that wasn't it.
46:53
Not that, not that one. It was a different one.
46:55
What just popped up on the screen for me, that's it.
46:59
That's the one right there. Dance of Saturday.
47:02
But he says Mr. Less, I work in the pawn shop industry for
47:04
years. The hardest part of making a
47:06
deal was something about the sentimental value is gone now.
47:08
But you're a player parent. So this well, Mr. Dance of of
47:13
Saturday, they let you go and I'll let Chris talk for himself
47:17
because he's grown and he can't. But I can tell you Chris's kid
47:21
that is at Virginia Tech was a high level recruit that came in
47:26
and didn't catch a pass this year.
47:28
So if his sentimental value for his kid was that high, he would
47:33
have been in transfer portal. He wouldn't be sitting here
47:36
talking to us. He's talking about what he
47:39
seems. As a Virginia Tech fan, I talked
47:42
to Chris a lot of times and his bias toward his kid has nothing
47:47
to do with what we're talking about here.
47:48
I don't know if you thought he was Kyron's daddy and and you
47:51
said that he just black. He ain't his daddy.
47:53
He's a different black dude. I don't know what it is, but
47:57
seriously, I'm joking around. But seriously, if if you look at
48:02
Chris's child, Chris's kid that's on the team, young man,
48:06
he he could have a different opinion about the coaching
48:10
styles and the coaching for things that his kids might his
48:13
kid did or didn't get. I ain't saying that he expected
48:16
or didn't, but I'm just saying you got to sometimes until you
48:21
talk to that person, you don't really know.
48:23
So I seen that. And then when Jeremy said about
48:26
the hierarchy of football, because I'm going to say this,
48:28
Chris don't have to say it, we had wide receivers sitting on.
48:32
We had wide receivers sitting on the bench that could have made
48:35
plays at some of our wide receivers that were in the game
48:37
couldn't. Ally Jennings is a great, is a
48:40
great football player. He's a great receiver when he's
48:44
healthy, but when he's hurt, he can't it's certain things that
48:47
he can't do the things that he's good at going high point in the
48:50
ball. He can't do it when he's got a a
48:53
bomb hamstring. We had some kids on the bench
48:56
that may have could have gave us that.
48:57
You know, Quan Felton is a is a big body receiver that you
49:02
expect to go and maybe be like a third down receiver sometimes
49:06
stretch the field for you. But he didn't have that top end
49:09
speed that some of the kids on the bench had.
49:12
And I feel like sometimes the coaches just stuck with what
49:15
they had instead of making a change to say let me see what
49:19
this kid can do and what we all. We all I know what they can do
49:24
and I can't get this. I was on this show.
49:28
This ain't something that I'm making up.
49:29
If you just now getting started listening to BCP, go back and
49:33
listen to it. I can't remember what show it
49:34
is. Coach probably was on here and
49:36
he said, he said, I'm, I tell the kids I'm bringing in
49:41
somebody to take your job. But when you go and recruit a
49:44
kid and you tell them that and you tell them that and they get
49:47
there and that kid is not performing and you don't switch
49:50
them out, whether it's the quarterback, the wide receiver,
49:52
the right tackle, the credibility gets lost in
49:55
translation. So we got to fix that.
49:57
I don't got to fix it. I'm just going to watch it
49:59
critique the coaching staff has to fix it.
50:02
So I just want to bring that not not, you know, knocking on what
50:05
you're saying. We appreciate you watching the
50:07
show and I'm glad you're coming. But I wanted to hit on that a
50:10
little bit. Chris, you can you can say what
50:11
you need to. Yeah, and we, we like having
50:13
these type of discussions and like, you know, call us out.
50:16
We'll we'll call you out. That's how this thing works.
50:18
Chris, I'm going to let you say your piece here and I'm going to
50:21
jump in on something else that Dad's a Saturday put in here
50:23
after that. Yeah, I, I just, I guess this is
50:27
the hardest part for me because we're friends and and I talked
50:32
to you guys, you know, we text each other back.
50:34
So I have a fondness for y'all, man.
50:38
You know, Jeremy took care of my kid this year, man, you know, at
50:41
the drop of a hat, man. So, you know, it's different.
50:45
Yeah, I know it's different. Dan.
50:47
Dan's one of the reasons that we're here because the crib is
50:49
the crib. So when people say stuff like
50:52
that, man, what? They fail to realize that I'm a
50:55
complete football owner, OK, I am the absolute.
50:59
I'm probably one of the nerdiest football guys y'all will ever
51:02
come across. It just so happened my kid is
51:04
talented. If anybody know me, I'll name
51:07
everybody else's kid before I name mine, OK?
51:11
I do that on a regular basis. So my whole thing is when you
51:16
see certain things happening, wasn't promised anything.
51:20
We dropped that kid off last year or this year and the coach
51:23
before, we let him say, hey, I'm trying to find somebody to come
51:25
replace you. That's what he said.
51:27
That's one of the things he said.
51:28
So a lot of those kids dealt with that with those four guys,
51:32
those four guys coming back and it was a great thing that they
51:35
did. But once those guys start seeing
51:38
that I'm as good or I'm at the same level or I can be more than
51:43
it, it got to the point where people are looking like put him
51:47
in and let him go. You know, perfect example, we
51:51
got a kid that left who was here and, you know, good kid, solid
51:59
family, great kid. But sometimes you couldn't trust
52:03
him to do certain things. And so those are the things
52:06
that, you know, that's when we say it's more than football.
52:09
You they got to be able to trust you when they going to do
52:12
certain things. And so it's a lot.
52:14
Ali's going, Ali's going to get this opportunity, man.
52:16
He's going to play with us during this ball game.
52:19
And I hope things work out that he has some good film, good
52:21
tape, He doesn't get injured and he get to go pursue his football
52:24
dream elsewhere. But you know, guys will guys
52:29
will want certain things to happen.
52:31
And when it didn't happen, they got they got it was a mental
52:35
block with certain stuff, man. And I'm just glad that, you
52:39
know, the guys who got over that hurdle mentally and said, Hey,
52:43
I'm going to come. I'm going to use this time and
52:45
go forward. But man, the last thing last
52:49
thing I am is, oh, I'm going to sit up here and campaign for my
52:53
kid to play because he got to go do that.
52:56
That's his job. He got to go be great at his
52:58
job. They know what he can do.
53:00
And that's going to be, that's going to be, that's going to
53:01
work out. Can I give Chris credit for like
53:04
3 seconds here? Go for it.
53:06
This man knew. He knew this year, he knew
53:10
Keelan wasn't going to, he wasn't going to go to a game and
53:15
watch his son really get in the game.
53:17
He came to every game. He went to all sorts of
53:21
tailgates around the community, especially mine, because he
53:24
knows if he needs the love, he needs the bourbon, he needs the
53:27
cigar. He's got the cigars.
53:29
Him and Big James Clark. They're coming to the the
53:32
Bourbon Goblers tailgate shout out, Nate, Steven, whatever.
53:36
But like, he knew like he came because he loved what was going
53:41
on. He loved.
53:41
Folks, I'm not. Like watching the Hokies.
53:43
Like. Hold up Dan, hold up Dan.
53:45
I'm not soft on criticizing somebody, kid.
53:47
I know these folks families. I know these folks families.
53:50
It ain't this ain't this like this is my whole family.
53:54
So I'm not going to cut. Hey, if you sitting and you see
53:57
somebody doing something, I still got to go see that folks
54:01
family. You know what I'm saying
54:03
criticizing him doesn't doesn't make it to the point that I'm
54:06
soft on him. I'm just saying he know what he
54:08
got to work on. I ain't got to make him work on
54:10
it. He know what he got to work on.
54:12
This this thing for football is for a period of time and it's
54:16
it's a you got so many snaps, so many times you're going to get
54:20
to play and there's going to come a time where you're not
54:22
going to be play no more. My critiquing him about what he
54:25
is is sitting there saying, Oh, my kids better.
54:27
Oh my, my wife has got on me for years for calling kids.
54:30
Sorry. At games.
54:34
My wife, brother, you, you have no idea how many I was.
54:38
Like she's like, you need to sit.
54:39
Down that's a reflection on Keith he suck I can't be doing
54:42
that to folks kids. You can't do that and sit in the
54:45
stand with them folks, kid, if their kids parents are sitting
54:48
right there, that's stupid, that's ignorant and that's
54:51
that's not intelligent to do to people, man no, it's.
54:53
Not this. Is wrong bro.
54:55
So I want to tell Dad. Can I say something real quick,
54:57
Chris? I don't tell.
54:59
Dad's a Saturday. Me and Brian and Tally got to
55:02
sit in that section last year. You remember that, Game Boys?
55:07
Oh, yeah, You remember. Yeah, They grew up.
55:08
That was a. That was a true.
55:09
Game and I remember we've been up.
55:11
To y'all. Fans, y'all, they go to kids,
55:14
all the kids families around. US parents Rough.
55:16
And it's like it's if that's being respectful, you can,
55:20
that's being respectful. Because Chris, I know for you,
55:22
how many times did you have to walk up the steps going to the
55:24
bathroom and just say something real bad?
55:26
Come back 5. Hours later, I was my, my, my
55:29
lips bled every daggone time because I don't know whose
55:34
family was around me, man. First game of the season, man.
55:37
I was like, yo, get such and such out.
55:40
I got Johnny Garrett's family right on my daggone shoulder.
55:43
They like, yeah, they sitting there, they just shaking their
55:46
head, you know, I got Montanus Cunningham's family sitting
55:49
right next to me, You know what I'm saying?
55:51
And I got to sit there and be like, I can't say certain stuff.
55:54
So I'm like, hey, it is. What?
55:57
Yeah, that ain't that, ain't that, ain't we all being soft on
55:59
criticizing kids that caught being smart, people who hide
56:03
behind that people who hide behind like I told people and I
56:07
ain't saying like that's a Saturday.
56:09
I, I, he's, he's been around for a while.
56:11
We've talked on on Twitter a couple of times.
56:14
But again, I don't know y'all, I don't know what y'all fucking
56:17
look like. Everybody knows what I look
56:20
like. The shit that I say.
56:22
I'm going to stand 10 toes beside it every time I'm going
56:26
to get on here. I'm going to show my face and
56:28
whatever come behind it, going to come behind it.
56:30
However I feel about a coach, however I feel about a player.
56:33
Y'all say shit and you hide behind burners.
56:36
That's why you feel comfortable to say it.
56:38
If you feel like you can do it, say some of the stuff you can
56:41
say. Say it in front of them parents
56:43
say it in front of them kids and you I promise you these when you
56:47
talking kids, these ain't no kids.
56:49
These is men. These are some grown big ass
56:51
people and and I'm telling you and the Mamas be worse than the
56:55
dad is like I think I can handle a man like a dad.
56:59
Like I'm sitting in the stands and I'm listening at some of the
57:01
moms talk and seeing some of the moms reacting.
57:04
I'm like man, I definitely don't want to be on her bad side.
57:07
You know what I'm saying? Talk about her bad in her cub.
57:10
I have. Sat in the I have sat in the
57:12
parents section a couple times and I remember Chamari Connor's
57:15
parents and Tisdale's parents going crazy on their kids like
57:19
it's they, they, they let it fly.
57:22
Yeah, they let it. Go and I think I think the other
57:24
thing to think about like you know, it was talking about like,
57:26
you know, add nuance to it and like players, you know players
57:30
parents are going to be solved on criticize play.
57:32
No, they won't. No, they will not.
57:35
They won't that's. Somebody who?
57:36
I'll tell you. What else?
57:38
I, I, I play collegiate football.
57:40
I know what the process is about.
57:42
I know what looks good. I know what doesn't.
57:44
I'm going to say it. I still sympathize with what
57:48
those players are going through and how fucking tough what
57:50
they're doing is. Yes, Sir.
57:52
But at the end of the day, I like the reason we do this was
57:55
because we want to try to get better and get to where we want
57:58
to be. And this is the thing, and this
58:00
is the thing too as well, Brian, just to throw something else in
58:03
now because, you know, being playing sports growing up long
58:07
removed. I'm, I'm, I'm a fan now, but my
58:10
son, my son plays basketball, baseball and football.
58:13
So I'm watching, I'm watching him play, but like his baseball
58:19
team, we'll just go that he plays travel baseball.
58:22
That's the sport that he plays the most stuff.
58:27
And I've been with these parents for probably six to seven years
58:31
on most of the key with most of the kids.
58:33
If anybody follows me on like Facebook or or TikTok and stuff,
58:36
you'll see I'm interviewing kids and cutting up with them and
58:39
stuff like that. But I don't watch these kids
58:41
grow up. So when we had a baseball and
58:43
I'm very I'm I'm that parent, that's if the other team does
58:46
some good, I'm going to I'm going to say, hey, especially in
58:49
baseball, if the other team does something good, I'm going to
58:51
say, hey, good hustle, man. You know, they 14, you know,
58:54
Hey, that's great play. Good hit, better, better
58:57
defense, great, great play. But there will be some parents
59:00
on the team that'll say, hey, can you say something to my son
59:04
because my voice is louder than theirs.
59:06
Hey, will you yell at him and tell him this or he listens to
59:09
you? Will you say this?
59:10
Because if I said he's going to get mad.
59:13
So these parents aren't soft on the kids, people who are soft on
59:17
their kids coach kids who not go to the next level.
59:20
Most of these parents and most of these players that are at
59:23
Virginia Tech, which is a big time school, whether y'all
59:25
believe it or not, they have watched these kids grow up and
59:29
go through a lot of football. So they're not just on that
59:32
saying we're the best and my kids should be doing this or, or
59:37
they're going to critique coaches when they're not making
59:39
changes. But when they kids get in and
59:41
they ain't doing something, they probably going to say it.
59:44
I'm going to say, I'm going to say I sit beside Aiden Green's
59:47
daddy and I would have never knew that was his daddy.
59:49
I'm going to, I mean, I I would have never knew that was his
59:52
pops. And I was like, hey, man, put
59:55
this motherfucker in. What are y'all doing?
59:57
And his dad never said nothing. And then they put him in and he
1:00:01
did something wrong. I think he may have missed a
1:00:03
block or something. This was last year.
1:00:04
And he said they not going to put you in the game unless you
1:00:07
do this right. That's what he said.
1:00:10
That's what his dad said. You one opportunity to go in and
1:00:13
you mess up. They're not going to put you
1:00:14
back in the game. So I'm like, I'm glad I
1:00:16
understood that bad because I didn't know that was his daddy,
1:00:18
you know what I'm saying? But these parents are, I mean,
1:00:21
there are some parents just probably soft on their kids.
1:00:24
But more than likely when you have a high level athlete, the
1:00:29
hardest critique is going to be their parents.
1:00:32
Yes. Yeah, that the hardest critique
1:00:34
is going to be the parents. I've got two things to say on
1:00:37
that number one tally. You just summed up my first
1:00:40
point. Usually parents are the hardest
1:00:44
and the ones to criticize. I know everyone who came from
1:00:47
families that had athletes. Your biggest critic was your
1:00:52
parents, and it wasn't because they were coming down under you
1:00:55
being they want you to do better and they're always going to be
1:00:58
the first ones to be like, what are you doing?
1:01:00
You've got to be out there. You got to do this.
1:01:02
That's that was always my experience.
1:01:04
That's how my family did it. Second, I'm not going to knock
1:01:07
anyone on like running a burner account and saying whatever they
1:01:10
need want to, but. Shut the fuck up.
1:01:15
About those of us who are actually out here saying shit, I
1:01:18
get fucking death threats. I've had actual retaliation
1:01:21
against my business in numerous ways, and not just from
1:01:24
individuals, from gigantic fucking corporations with the
1:01:27
wealth of fucking nations. They come at me all the time for
1:01:31
fucking shit I do. So shut the fuck up.
1:01:38
God, I love it. I love.
1:01:40
You but hey, but but real talk if if we going back to it.
1:01:43
So if we're looking at you know, because we're talking about the
1:01:45
breath of the season and now you're trying to take the show
1:01:50
over. If you turned around and you
1:01:54
knew Kyron was hurt at Rutgers, right?
1:01:59
And knowing full well he was going to play against Miami, I,
1:02:04
I, I, I told him to Tally. I said, I told Tally.
1:02:06
I said it didn't matter what he could have been.
1:02:09
He could have been he could have had a broke foot.
1:02:11
He didn't make a difference. He was going to play because
1:02:12
that's bragging rights at the house and he played his behind
1:02:15
off. He did if you if you go ahead
1:02:18
and put him down against Stanford.
1:02:21
In Boston College. And Boston College.
1:02:24
In Boston, three weeks healthy. OK.
1:02:27
And then come back and play Slee behind the same offensive line
1:02:34
because they ain't like he got an improvement offensive line
1:02:36
play. It was the same offensive line,
1:02:39
you know. Yeah, I mean.
1:02:42
You know it. I.
1:02:44
Mean not just Duke, man. Like I said, even in the
1:02:47
Syracuse game, you know, we stopped.
1:02:49
We stopped throwing the ball down the field, but I think it
1:02:53
was like in the second quarter when one of the one of the
1:02:56
Syracuse VBS jumped the route and I think Kony had to did the
1:03:00
wheel route up up the up the sideline.
1:03:02
If he waits a second and let Kony clear, we probably blow
1:03:06
them out. And, but, but other people
1:03:08
trying to get picks and trying to play crazy and decide to go
1:03:12
to LSU and, and stuff like that end up causing us the game, you
1:03:19
know, shit. But it's.
1:03:22
Teramanos. Not naming names or nothing.
1:03:24
I mean, the Teramanos, man, blame it on the Teramanos.
1:03:26
But my thing is, if you do that, how does the season look?
1:03:31
And then you got this. This groundswell of all the
1:03:35
fools is old, Pop is better, Slee is better, all this, but
1:03:38
this guy is hurt. How do we look at it right now?
1:03:42
If you think about it, because we probably went out.
1:03:45
We probably went out. We we probably win the same.
1:03:50
We win the games we won't Kyron. And the question is the Syracuse
1:03:54
game that comes up. I mean, that game was a dub that
1:03:58
game. Talk about irritating moments of
1:04:01
the season. That was the more so you win
1:04:03
those three games. I know Robert.
1:04:08
You are waking him up, Jeremy, you know.
1:04:10
Yeah. Those three games.
1:04:12
I'm a sweet, innocent Jeremy. The the bigger thing is you go
1:04:16
into Syracuse and this is crazy as shit to say.
1:04:20
You're 5:00 and 3:00, but you have a chance to run the table
1:04:24
and play in early December. As.
1:04:27
Crazy as that sounds, November 2nd, we still, after what
1:04:31
happened to Miami down the road, we held our own.
1:04:34
We had we controlled our own destiny of giving you the ACC
1:04:36
Championship. Whether we win it or not, we
1:04:38
don't know. But I think if you say Kyron's
1:04:41
healthy, you basically give him a month to everything that's
1:04:44
fucked up between his foot, his knee, his shoulder, his ribs and
1:04:48
every other part that he got beat.
1:04:49
To hell with what happened. Syracuse, Clemson, Duke and UVA
1:04:52
don't know because the Syracuse game, you sit here and it's like
1:04:57
that game was there. Yeah, He shouldn't have played
1:05:01
the. Clemson every game you could.
1:05:02
Every game. Like the Clemson game?
1:05:06
No, we played. Clemson Clemson was a playoff
1:05:08
team and we lost about 10 points and I don't think we ran the
1:05:13
ball with a running back and. We and we.
1:05:14
Didn't run the. Football at All 22.
1:05:18
We didn't run the ball. Game Somebody get the ball to
1:05:21
Cody. Yeah.
1:05:22
Jaylen Lane was the lead rusher that game.
1:05:25
Yeah, I think Dan posted on Twitter he said Clemson big and
1:05:28
the ball ran down they throat the whole year.
1:05:30
I said, yeah, until you had our coaches that that refused to run
1:05:35
the ball. Like you have scholarship
1:05:38
running backs, you have scholarship running backs on the
1:05:42
team. You got to see if somebody can
1:05:44
run the ball, man. You have to.
1:05:47
I mean, you can't beat them just throwing the ball.
1:05:50
That's impossible. Well, you looked at what
1:05:52
happened to Clemson's rush defense for the majority of the
1:05:55
year, not running the football against them, regardless of
1:05:58
who's in the backfield was, was just mind boggling to me.
1:06:03
And, and that was that was the one game where I was ready to
1:06:06
say, you know, maybe Bowen can hit the road, You know, because
1:06:09
if, if, if, if you can't look at that game and look at that
1:06:12
defense and say my best route to success is, is running.
1:06:15
The ball between the tackles. Yeah, then that's a problem.
1:06:19
And, and I think I think one of the best defense tackles was out
1:06:22
that game too. I think one of the top because
1:06:24
the guy was out of the game. So you run Coney, you give
1:06:28
baseball another week to get healthy.
1:06:30
Like I said, me personally, I just think after the Georgia
1:06:34
Tech game, you should have played Slee and me and Tally
1:06:38
talked about it. We knew Georgia Tech was going
1:06:40
to put nine in the box. Georgia Tech put 12 in the box.
1:06:43
They said we refuse to let him get off on us.
1:06:46
So if you run Coney, you know, because I think he had more pop,
1:06:51
more burst. Mason was hurt.
1:06:55
You know, Mason had a bad hamstring.
1:06:56
So I think that was kind of the reason why they didn't play him.
1:06:59
But I also look at, you know, kind of saving certain things
1:07:02
for, you know, purposes, you know, we don't know, but I would
1:07:06
have played, I would have played Coney, I'd have played Mason,
1:07:09
you know, out of out of kept, out of kept baseball's numbers
1:07:13
down. Because if you think about it,
1:07:14
baseball's biggest games, he's like 1617 carries.
1:07:19
Think about it, 1617 carries is what baseball is getting, you
1:07:23
know, so they want to keep they don't want to throw the ball a
1:07:26
lot. You know, 3030 plus passes in
1:07:31
this offense is something that they really don't want to do.
1:07:33
They really want to play it tight and close to the vest.
1:07:37
They want to run the football. They want to be complimentary,
1:07:39
but we we didn't see a complimentary game all year.
1:07:44
I mean, the the closest man, the only complimentary game we
1:07:46
really, really saw that all three phases didn't give us
1:07:50
something to say. God Dang, was UVA UVA Stanford,
1:07:55
UVA Yeah, UVA Stanford. That's it, That's it.
1:07:59
You know, that's what we saw. So yeah, we we got a lot of head
1:08:03
scratching. Do I think, do I think a lot of
1:08:06
the younger players that are on this team, this 24 class, this
1:08:10
25 class are upgrades over some of the guys we had?
1:08:14
I'm going to say yeah, I'm going to be totally honest with you, I
1:08:17
think. I think now you're not.
1:08:20
You're not going to you're not going to get the same upgrade.
1:08:22
You're not going to get the same upgrade as people's.
1:08:25
Yeah, Here we go. Let's.
1:08:26
Talk about this real quick. Let's talk about this real
1:08:29
quick. We're we're not saying Schlee or
1:08:32
pop over Kyron, We're saying a healthy Schlee or pop over a
1:08:37
vastly injured Kyron. These.
1:08:39
Situations. Oh well, it's still a fucking
1:08:42
problem, but a healthy quarterback is better than an
1:08:44
injured quarterback. Absolutely.
1:08:46
And you saw and you saw that you saw that in in those games.
1:08:50
Syracuse game Slee played well. He you know, he played well.
1:08:54
You know, you just, I think I think they kind of like you had
1:08:57
certain things. You know, when, when, yeah, when
1:09:02
Coney fumble. That was huge because we were
1:09:04
driving on them again, you know, that was a big turnover.
1:09:09
And so, and like I said, you had certain gaffes on the defense by
1:09:14
one particular damn guy that lost you that fucking Syracuse
1:09:17
game. That's it, man.
1:09:19
Just go and call him. What the fuck it is a dude had
1:09:21
four. He didn't have any catches
1:09:23
coming into that fucking game. He'd been a junior, No catches
1:09:27
in his in his college career. 4 catches, 88 yards, 2 touchdowns.
1:09:31
That wasn't nobody else but two guys.
1:09:34
It's called it what it is, man. Yeah, you're supposed to win
1:09:37
that game. Yep, you're.
1:09:39
Supposed to win that game but both of them decide to leave
1:09:42
and. Play over there, Matty B Say he
1:09:44
got a camera and a mic. Get him in here, you know, if we
1:09:47
get him in here. So so that's send him a.
1:09:49
Link. If he wants to talk, let's talk.
1:09:51
Send him a link, he stay want to get in.
1:09:52
The only problem with that? Let's get him in.
1:09:54
If you win that Syracuse game, your whole perspective is
1:09:57
different. Yeah, your whole entire
1:09:59
perspective is different because up to that point, outside of
1:10:03
Hokey Donnas, who said he knew well before anybody else knew
1:10:06
that Kyra wasn't going to play. I knew a dude who knew Kyra
1:10:09
wasn't going to play on Thursday.
1:10:11
But he ain't saying nobody. He definitely did call his best
1:10:13
friend Tally and tell him he didn't do that.
1:10:16
But you know that that that ain't how that work.
1:10:18
But knowing that the staff held it close to the vest, Slee
1:10:23
wouldn't play great. You should have won, won that
1:10:26
football game. And your whole perspective is
1:10:28
different that what that loss hurt more than any other game
1:10:31
for me all year. Yeah, I'm with you because the
1:10:36
the the worst team won that football game.
1:10:39
Absolutely. That's why it's frustrating
1:10:42
because you take away 2 plays, you outplay them in pretty much
1:10:46
every phase of the game. Without question. 100% true,
1:10:51
100% true. I'd argue we.
1:10:53
Were the we had the best players and we're the best team in most
1:10:57
every of our games. The only argument against that
1:11:00
was Clemson and Miami. And honestly, I feel like we
1:11:04
beat Miami and then Clemson. That was, we were just, that was
1:11:08
right, rough. That was a rough game.
1:11:09
To watch we still it was a 10 point it was.
1:11:12
Very close. Yeah.
1:11:13
I know we had so much talent. That's what hurts.
1:11:19
And we know, and we're still going to have a lot of talent.
1:11:22
We just got to put it together and I feel like we put it
1:11:24
together and we make it click. We can really have a good season
1:11:27
coming up. We really can.
1:11:29
We just got to make it click. That's the biggest thing.
1:11:34
Yep. So let's talk a little bit about
1:11:38
what we've done in the transfer portal so far, because I mean,
1:11:40
that's that's been a big thing. We had a lot of lot of people
1:11:43
out. We talked about that a little
1:11:45
bit. Let's talk about some of the
1:11:46
folks we getting in because I feel like we're, I think we, we
1:11:51
had to be talked off the ledge a little bit.
1:11:53
The first week of the transfer portal.
1:11:54
I think we saw a lot of bodies going out the door.
1:11:57
There was a lot of fucking uncertainty between who we going
1:11:59
to fire. All right, now that we fired
1:12:01
somebody who we going to hire. Can we get guys in here while
1:12:04
we're kind of in this transition phase?
1:12:06
And then we started seeing them trickle in and trickling in
1:12:09
pretty good right now. You know, we got got a, you
1:12:13
know, a big crop of DBS that came in.
1:12:17
We got a, you got AD line. We got a couple running backs.
1:12:20
So, you know, we're looking pretty good on those fronts.
1:12:24
What are we looking like from a transfer portal situation?
1:12:28
Everybody's dropping out apparently.
1:12:30
Apparently I started talking to everybody left.
1:12:32
Oh, it was a obviously bathroom break time.
1:12:35
I'm still here for you. I'm still here.
1:12:38
Sally, what you got on these transfers?
1:12:42
I mean, I put something up whenever everybody was kind of
1:12:46
acting crazy at the beginning and I was like, I mean, the
1:12:49
transfer portal is going to give and it's going to take, you know
1:12:51
what I'm saying? I think I said something to the
1:12:53
effect of, you know, we we did get a, you know, 16 SAT guy
1:12:59
through the transfer portal and somebody pretty much told me
1:13:01
that I was crazy. You know, all that's just that's
1:13:04
not going to happen And well, you ain't going to get nobody.
1:13:07
Then we start getting people and I'm like, that's what happens.
1:13:12
That's what's good. That's what this new age of
1:13:14
football is. So I will say, you know, now
1:13:18
specific they upgraded the safeties room.
1:13:24
You know, our starting safety played in half of a game being
1:13:30
Jalen Shroman, and we never seen him again because he got
1:13:34
injured. So they went out and got some
1:13:36
safeties and a couple of other safeties that we do have are
1:13:39
young and show promise. Q Reddish.
1:13:43
So with what they did going to picking up flowers and cash, I
1:13:49
think it's a good move because you bring in some veteran
1:13:51
leadership and you bring in some production.
1:13:54
You know, those both of those guys were productive at their at
1:13:58
their stops that they were at. Didn't they get the ECU
1:14:03
cornerback because we have the lane go in the in the portal,
1:14:08
which again, for me, I didn't expect to see the lane anymore
1:14:13
in Virginia Tech just because I thought he was going pro.
1:14:16
I thought he would go to the NFL for what you know, he's going to
1:14:20
LSU. Kudos to him.
1:14:22
So yeah, I hate to see that because I'd much rather him go
1:14:25
to the NFL and they say drafted from Virginia Tech, you know,
1:14:28
Monsoor de Lion, but he's got to do what's best for him.
1:14:31
So either way it goes. I had already mentally made my
1:14:34
mind up that I wasn't going to see him play at Virginia Tech
1:14:37
anymore. So they go and get this kid from
1:14:39
ECU, which is a serviceable kid, But I think we got young talent
1:14:42
again on the in the room that can come in and play.
1:14:46
We've seen Dante Lovett play last year and I think it's just
1:14:49
going to be reps for him to come in and continue getting better.
1:14:53
Braylon Johnson, I think they kind of moved him to safety.
1:14:56
We seen him play his true freshman year and he red shirted
1:14:59
last year. We got some other kids back
1:15:02
there, you know, Josh Clark and Thomas Williams.
1:15:05
A couple of those other kids, man, that we just haven't seen
1:15:08
that. Now they're going to be going
1:15:10
from, you know, someone being freshman to their juniors or red
1:15:15
shirts sophomore three years in college.
1:15:17
If it's not your time to play, then when is your time to play?
1:15:21
You know what I'm saying? Like we got to, we got to start
1:15:23
seeing some productivity from these guys that we do have.
1:15:28
And like I said, they did go out and they went and grabbed also
1:15:32
Radish's brother, bring him in another, you know, bring in some
1:15:36
more, you know, veteran type players that can show some of
1:15:40
the younger guys 'cause sometimes.
1:15:43
And I, I, I'm going to be honest with you, I have not watched a
1:15:46
lot of film on the transfers that we're getting in.
1:15:51
But I do know when you have somebody who's played at any
1:15:53
program, they bring in some kind of way to be a pro, how to go
1:15:59
through your game day, how to, you know, treat your body when
1:16:03
you're not playing, you know, different things.
1:16:06
Like that is some of the stuff that you need that's not shown
1:16:09
on the field because you got to have somebody who knows how to
1:16:13
tell the younger guy, man, you got to go to bed at such and
1:16:17
such time on game day. Because if you don't get enough
1:16:21
sleep and you eat Skittles all night, your body's going to
1:16:25
react to certain just little stuff like that or you can't be
1:16:28
up on a game. Wait a second, hold.
1:16:30
On I was crazy as shit that week because I was watching these
1:16:35
transfers go out and I was freaking the fuck out, but I was
1:16:38
too. Busy to like, tweet about?
1:16:40
It I'm going. To answer Hashem real quick,
1:16:45
because we've got a first time here.
1:16:47
First of all, that is the Kirkland.
1:16:49
That is the Costco 12 year blended Scotch.
1:16:55
He's from Costco, he's going to blow up.
1:17:00
He's by South. Carolina Costco.
1:17:05
He brought it up last week. At the family Gallery.
1:17:08
Oh, that ain't Dan Matty B Oh, Matty B got a whole set up.
1:17:16
He got everything over there. He got black lights Matty B in
1:17:22
here hey get him on here I'm. Mute this up.
1:17:25
Hold on hold. This is big.
1:17:27
This is the first time we have ever brought a fan on mission.
1:17:32
Ever. We've talked.
1:17:33
About doing this. Shit before me and Brian have
1:17:36
and this is what we got going on Maddie.
1:17:38
He is, he is. Fully embracing, say, the
1:17:40
program. He is drinking.
1:17:41
He's got the old school TV. Logo Salute.
1:17:44
Salute. 1993 Hokey sat on, so salute.
1:17:48
Welcome, Maddie to the state of the program, where ain't nobody
1:17:53
over but Tally because he got to stay sober because he can't lose
1:17:55
all his money getting drunk when he got downstairs.
1:17:57
Yeah, I'm drinking water over here.
1:17:59
And I hear you guys and I, I, to be honest, I, I appreciate you.
1:18:03
Witness Matty B standing up and fucking coming on.
1:18:07
Yeah, witness. That.
1:18:09
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, we live in a age of cowards and I
1:18:12
feel if you're going to say something, you may as well say
1:18:14
it. And I'm not afraid of coming on.
1:18:17
I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I do have opinions on
1:18:21
things. I'm willing to be corrected and
1:18:22
I'm willing to be right. Brother, I'm the same boat as
1:18:25
you. Have you seen my fucking
1:18:26
podcast? It's me and Paul just fucking
1:18:29
going on, and we say if you want to see real conversation about
1:18:32
football, go watch Boundary Quarter right after.
1:18:37
But actually, and I'm not going to spread any hate on your
1:18:41
podcast, but of the hokey social media presence on YouTube and or
1:18:48
X, this is the only one that I can really tune into.
1:18:50
I, I, I don't like the other ones.
1:18:52
This is the the real deal for me.
1:18:55
This is the only one that I tune into.
1:18:56
I've told Tally that I've quote tweeted him and and you know, I
1:19:00
love, I love tune into this particular program because you
1:19:04
guys are willing to get down and we're not reading poems at the
1:19:06
beginning. But.
1:19:09
I would say that I, I, I. Like those guys?
1:19:14
Very cool man, I met them all. Hey, I'm not speaking for the
1:19:21
podcast. I'm just a guest here, OK?
1:19:23
If you want to help me out, you can.
1:19:25
I love those. Guys, they sent me a a nice
1:19:28
glass kit of whiskeys. I know I just, I just think we
1:19:32
got to get rid of some of the pussy assness from from our
1:19:36
program and, and, and, but yeah, but anyways, I, I just came on
1:19:41
to talk to you guys. I love the way that you talk
1:19:42
about Virginia Tech football. I don't always agree with you,
1:19:46
but I'm I'm here and I'm willing to talk and I'm willing to hash
1:19:48
it out with Chris over some things that I've said.
1:19:49
I'm willing to hash it out with anybody over anything that we've
1:19:52
talked about. Or if you want to bring anything
1:19:54
up, I'm willing to chime in. But thanks for having me on and
1:19:56
let's go Okies. I'm going to get on you for this
1:20:03
because this is for me. You said went out like you do
1:20:06
realize the Syracuse game, if we won out, we would have been the
1:20:10
ACC championship game. We lost three games by 17 points
1:20:14
and I'm going to go step by step.
1:20:15
Syracuse. Let's not hash that again
1:20:18
because goddamn it, I'd make everybody in here angry as well.
1:20:21
Clemson, we know Kylan was injured and then we run the ball
1:20:26
4 goddamn times the whole game with our lead running back
1:20:31
Jeremiah Kony had went for 96 yards on 10 carries against
1:20:35
Syracuse. Malachi had 72 yards, averaging
1:20:38
5.2 per carry. We were running the ball against
1:20:43
one of the worst fucking run defenses.
1:20:44
We chose not to run. And then the Duke game, I was
1:20:48
watching that in my sister's house and I had to listen to the
1:20:50
rest of it on the radio. So when you say went out
1:20:52
question mark, homie, it won't. It won't.
1:20:56
Like we got that fucking blowers blown the fuck off.
1:20:59
It was there, we fucked it up, I'll say that all day.
1:21:04
But if you take a look at that the last month of the season,
1:21:07
November 2nd, the Hokies control their own destiny.
1:21:10
Yeah, do 5 and. Three, let's talk about talent.
1:21:13
Let's talk about execution. Let's talk about because those
1:21:15
those are the three things primarily that go into winning
1:21:19
football games. Talent for the most part, we
1:21:24
were there in, in in most of those games.
1:21:27
We were there execution spotty at times and and and Chris has
1:21:32
talked about it, you know, especially the Syracuse game,
1:21:36
which we won't necessarily run into the ground and give
1:21:38
execution was a problem at multiple times this season.
1:21:42
Coaching in in particularly situational coaching was bad at
1:21:48
a lot of key parts of this season.
1:21:51
There were opportunities to win there.
1:21:53
And to Chris's point, I think if you are better with the way you
1:21:56
are managing those week to week things, you put yourself in
1:22:02
better position on game day for the execution piece and that
1:22:08
makes up for some of those other things.
1:22:10
Yeah, well, I mean, and and other news, Brian, water is wet.
1:22:15
I mean, I mean like, you know, if we execute well, we win.
1:22:20
The problem is we didn't. And I don't, I like to blame
1:22:23
players a lot #70 I'm not going to say his name.
1:22:26
Parker Clements, I did not like him.
1:22:28
But there's, but you know, I mean, we could talk about
1:22:32
execution and we really could have got in there and all these
1:22:36
things. This comes from the top.
1:22:37
This is a top down. Shit runs downhill, right?
1:22:41
And that's that's why we suck right now.
1:22:44
And I agree. With you, we could have won out
1:22:45
and that's why I put that thing went out.
1:22:47
That's crazy. That was sarcastic and so I
1:22:51
guess it didn't come off that way.
1:22:53
No, no, I, I got. What you were saying, Curtis,
1:22:56
Are you that fucking drunk? No, no, no.
1:22:59
No, Maddie, I didn't. Know how to.
1:23:00
Read your thing like the Hokies respect thing.
1:23:03
I thought you were actually being semi serious.
1:23:05
Oh no. The HR saw.
1:23:07
Your. Virginia Tech football now.
1:23:09
I saw your one O comment, I went OK I know what he's doing.
1:23:12
So, so just a little backwards context for you guys.
1:23:15
I'm getting married in May and I.
1:23:17
Congratulations. Thank you.
1:23:19
I decided for my bachelor party not to go to Vegas or not to go
1:23:22
to these other places. I plan preseason to have my
1:23:25
bachelor party for the Clemson game.
1:23:27
I got a suite because I bought into the hype.
1:23:29
I bought the lie. I said boom, we're going to go
1:23:31
to the Clemson game. I'm showing my boys Virginia
1:23:33
Tech football because I've lived in Portland, OR for 10 years and
1:23:37
I went to so many. Games.
1:23:39
And I couldn't tell you. I said I'm going to show my boys
1:23:42
what Blacksburg is all about. And by the third quarter, it was
1:23:46
a funeral. Everyone had their hands on my
1:23:48
shoulders and it wasn't a good thing.
1:23:51
And so, but if we would have won that Syracuse game, that Clemson
1:23:56
game is so much different. And then if we went out from
1:23:59
there, we're talking, we're going to the ACC championship.
1:24:01
And, and I mean, so I was being very sarcastic in the sense of
1:24:06
went out as a joke. It was.
1:24:08
It was more so in the sense of why is our leadership sucks so
1:24:12
bad and why can't they rile these boys up to win a damn game
1:24:15
like they did at. The rainy game, right?
1:24:18
So The thing is, The thing is what I put your first comment up
1:24:23
about Maddie, is when you say Kyron in Good Slee and Papa
1:24:30
Better or something like that. I don't want to lie and say you
1:24:32
said something that you didn't, but it was something to that
1:24:34
aspect. But then now when we're talking,
1:24:36
we're talking about why can't the coaches rile them up?
1:24:39
I'm just trying to see where are you coming from what, what
1:24:43
context do you get that this player and this player are head
1:24:47
and shoulders better than this player?
1:24:49
And if they are, why didn't the coaches put them in?
1:24:53
I think we agree on that point. I think a lot of us agree on
1:24:56
this podcast with that point where it looked like seniority
1:24:59
was a big deal for this coaching staff and wanting the seniors to
1:25:02
play out their season. And there were players that were
1:25:05
better that were not played because the seniors were
1:25:09
playing, for example, Parker Clements or for example, letting
1:25:12
Chiron out there with injuries. He's obviously hurt.
1:25:17
I don't hate Kyron drones. I I just think that he wasn't an
1:25:19
effective quarterback in the system that we're running,
1:25:21
especially hurt. He we could have gotten through
1:25:24
if he was fully healthy the whole season.
1:25:26
But I think the coaches. But you got to think, you got to
1:25:28
stand on what you said, you got to stand on what you said.
1:25:32
When you type it, you said Kyron is not good.
1:25:36
That's what you say. You're backtracking.
1:25:41
What you said you said Karen is not good, popping better.
1:25:46
Why was he still playing? Right.
1:25:48
So Karen isn't any good. What I meant by that is he
1:25:52
wasn't good to play those games. He was not good, Kyron.
1:25:56
Is not any, but that isn't what you're.
1:25:57
Saying on the field to make the place.
1:25:59
That he needed to play. To to to have the offensive
1:26:02
execution for they ran him like a battering ram for the first
1:26:07
few games. I mean, Kyron isn't any good in
1:26:09
those situations. If he's hurt, he's not any good.
1:26:12
But that's what you didn't say. But hold on.
1:26:15
This is, this is what I'm going to say, man.
1:26:17
I'm going to kind of take your side for say, when you type in
1:26:19
shit that can happen. So first thing, it's always.
1:26:23
I'm in the. Context because if you were to
1:26:25
say. I love Curtis.
1:26:27
If you would have said. Curtis typing or talking?
1:26:30
Let's go. Y'all know how that goes?
1:26:32
I know that because the way I type and shit.
1:26:34
But the whole thing is you've got to throw that in there
1:26:36
because you're right, right? If that's your feeling, Kyron
1:26:39
Hurt is not them. I think everybody, all seven of
1:26:43
us here agree and probably all 478 people watching us right now
1:26:47
agree Kyron banged up was not as good as those guys.
1:26:50
No, they weren't. Well see this guy makes this.
1:26:52
That was context because the way we read it is wait a SEC, Kyron
1:26:57
Jones last year, 17 touchdowns, 3 interceptions starting at the
1:27:01
Marshall game, which we want to go back to 2023 and we can
1:27:04
always say this program was the first program to say Kyron Jones
1:27:07
should have been a starting quarterback.
1:27:09
We said it right after the spring game with Mike McDaniel
1:27:11
sitting here. Mike's, Mike tried to join us
1:27:13
later if things aren't happening at his house, but the, the, the
1:27:17
context has to be there because when it's when we're out in this
1:27:21
sort of arena, all we see is Chiron isn't it's good.
1:27:25
It's like, first of all, we had a chance to talk to Karen and
1:27:27
everything and they did not run him like a batter and ran the
1:27:32
first few games. They were trying to make him a
1:27:33
pocket passer which Tally went the fuck off on.
1:27:37
Right. So this is the thing that the
1:27:38
only reason that I was harping on that was not to be
1:27:41
argumentative with Maddie. I just want people because what
1:27:43
I do when I look at football and I watch Virginia Tech football
1:27:47
is I get very personal as far as how I feel and what I remember.
1:27:51
And I don't go into really what happened.
1:27:54
The things that people are saying and the things that we
1:27:56
remember is not really how it happened a lot of times.
1:27:59
So you have to go back and you have to look at it and you got
1:28:01
to kind of go through the whole film and self evaluate and go.
1:28:06
What really happened here? Just like Tim said, they didn't
1:28:09
run him like a battering ram. They tried to make him a pocket
1:28:11
passer, which he still got hurt in in Vanderbilt.
1:28:15
If y'all don't know if he was at the game he's pleased, let's run
1:28:18
with. That let's run with.
1:28:19
That but but my thing is, but what I'm saying is when we seen
1:28:23
Kyron play last year and it ain't just the fans, it was
1:28:26
people who aren't Virginia Tech fans said this kid has
1:28:29
something, This kid has something.
1:28:32
He may be a dark horse Heisman. I didn't get to that far, but
1:28:36
some people had that. Some people said he may be ACC
1:28:40
player of the year, couple other things.
1:28:42
Whatever the case may be, if he gets to that form, Virginia Tech
1:28:45
can do this. Apparently that didn't happen.
1:28:47
We seen what happened this year, injuries, him not being good,
1:28:51
whatever fans want to say whatever we think.
1:28:53
But what I'm saying is when you say that the other quarterbacks
1:28:57
had the same offensive coordinator, all I'm saying is
1:29:00
the other quarterbacks came in and got hurt or the other
1:29:03
quarterbacks came in and we still lost games, we still
1:29:06
didn't win. Like what did they do so good
1:29:09
that we did that made us better Again, any quarterback that
1:29:13
would have played, any quarterback that would have
1:29:16
played would have beat UVA. That's what I thought.
1:29:19
Stay on the topic. All right, so let's let's look
1:29:21
at this. If if I were to go to any of
1:29:24
Chiron's games this year, any of them and then we run, let's just
1:29:29
go to the just extended replays on YouTube, the show where the
1:29:32
condensed version of games. Would you say that pops and
1:29:36
sleaze games look different than Kyron's?
1:29:39
Kyron was hurt. He got hurt in Virginia.
1:29:43
At the first game of the year, we get started at the first game
1:29:46
of the year. He was hurt in the first game of
1:29:47
the year. He got hurt.
1:29:48
You don't remember that he was. Laying on the field?
1:29:50
No. He was laying on the field, face
1:29:53
down. Why was he playing?
1:29:55
That that's the question. You said the office of
1:29:57
coordinator made the other two quarterbacks look good.
1:29:59
I'm saying why would they let him play and he's hurt.
1:30:02
When we talked about this in the space, the office brought up the
1:30:04
fact. Everything was different.
1:30:06
Everything was different. See, we talk about Vanderbilt
1:30:09
too, but like, even a hurt Kyron in against Vanderbilt completed
1:30:13
66% of his passes, 322 yards and two touchdowns.
1:30:17
Two touchdowns and had. I mean, he wasn't out there
1:30:20
taking a shit on the field despite how we felt for the
1:30:24
duration of that game. Yeah, we should have been, you
1:30:27
know, and, and, yeah. And he had like a lot of bad
1:30:29
drops in that game. He had a lot of bad drops in
1:30:31
that game. Oh yeah, a lot.
1:30:33
Of and Ollie Jennings had one across the middle that was a.
1:30:36
Now this is what I was saying. Yeah, what knowledge, Aiden?
1:30:39
Green my bet. And what we'll say and what
1:30:42
we'll say to Maddie's point, I'm not saying Karen is above
1:30:48
criticism. I'm not saying that at all.
1:30:50
But what I'm saying is that this coaching staff 100% for a fact
1:30:55
knew that he was going to be deficient for certain reasons
1:30:59
because he was hurt. And they said, hey, can you
1:31:01
please do this for us? Can you please go and do this?
1:31:04
Because we don't want the optics to look this way.
1:31:08
And his parents and him said we're going to let that happen
1:31:13
so fans can go. When Chris said the kid took all
1:31:17
the arrows, he took all the arrows for this year, took them
1:31:21
all. He wasn't even.
1:31:22
He came back. They stopped him from going to
1:31:25
school. He didn't go to class any during
1:31:27
the Georgia Tech week, he didn't.
1:31:30
He had three Mris that week or that month.
1:31:34
He didn't go to class at all. So they knew he was hurt and he
1:31:39
went and scored a rushing touchdown, a passing touchdown
1:31:41
and. Been in the damn game.
1:31:44
And receiving touchdown, he shouldn't have been playing, but
1:31:46
they said the coaches were playing this game where they
1:31:50
were saying we got to win. This is the more important game,
1:31:54
so let's do this. And then when they played the
1:31:56
game of, well, he might play against Syracuse.
1:32:00
He was supposed to be on a in a boot that week.
1:32:02
This isn't something that tally made-up.
1:32:04
You can go check records or you can talk deep enough in
1:32:06
Blacksburg and they'll tell you he wasn't.
1:32:09
He was supposed to be in a boot against Syracuse or coming out,
1:32:13
but they said, well, let's let him warm up so we can trick him.
1:32:16
All of the media do. All of Virginia Tech media knew
1:32:19
all of them. All of them knew and they.
1:32:21
And they trusted crime because they wanted to get their money
1:32:23
in. What, other than money would
1:32:26
make that decision happen? He didn't play that game, so I
1:32:30
don't know what the money is that we're talking about.
1:32:32
I'm just saying they they, they were trying to play a head game
1:32:35
with Syracuse, which kind of worked because Schlee went in.
1:32:39
You know what I'm saying? Schlee went in and played and he
1:32:42
played fine until he got hurt. You make this.
1:32:45
He got here for two. Quarterbacks.
1:32:46
Now that being said, I I don't understand the mind games to the
1:32:50
point where when I look at Colin Schlee, when I look at Colin
1:32:53
Schlee other than his physical stature, right?
1:32:57
I mean Kyron is imposing from a physical standpoint.
1:33:00
Other than that, their games are very similar.
1:33:04
Very much. Very similar, very much so.
1:33:06
You're not necessarily even playing a great head game
1:33:09
because you're still preparing for a similar type of
1:33:11
quarterback. Other than the fact that Kyron
1:33:14
can run you the fuck over. Right.
1:33:17
Hey, Mr. I can ask you a. Question, Maddie, Hold on, hold
1:33:20
on. Let me say this real quick to
1:33:21
him. Curtis, go ahead.
1:33:22
Go ahead. No, no, no mine.
1:33:24
Mine's legit, Maddie. No, I was just going to say,
1:33:27
Maddie, I'm not cutting you off from the stuff that you're
1:33:29
saying because you you have your right to have any thought
1:33:33
process. You want to we all fucking mad
1:33:36
because we didn't win this year, but I just want fans that when
1:33:39
we're talking, yeah, I just, I just want fans to look at the
1:33:43
complete package whenever we're talking about stuff because a
1:33:46
lot of times we go to players and players and players.
1:33:48
And sometimes it's player, coach, player.
1:33:51
Sometimes it's coach, coach, player.
1:33:53
You know what I'm saying? We got to get on everybody.
1:33:54
And Maddie, you do that. You get on the coaches too.
1:33:57
I ain't saying that you, you, you crossed them out.
1:33:59
But I do feel like a lot of fans get bowing a pass and I fucking
1:34:03
don't know why because I'm going to tell you right now, I'm on
1:34:06
his ass just as bad as any of the other coaches because he got
1:34:09
everything he wanted back this year and he didn't do shit with
1:34:12
it. That's my opinion.
1:34:14
A great point with fucking Bowen is he he got everything back,
1:34:19
but he did not take care of the offensive line.
1:34:22
You cannot build an offense without a fucking offensive
1:34:25
line. Go ahead, Maddie.
1:34:30
Did you go to tech first of all? Yes.
1:34:33
What? What years?
1:34:34
Briefly, it was between O 8 and halfway through O 9 I dropped
1:34:38
out and I started selling drugs and the same as Doctor Jeremy,
1:34:44
but he graduated. Yeah, we went to school the.
1:34:47
Same time I went to school, yes, yes.
1:34:49
But I also, I grew up in Blacksburg as well, so I grew.
1:34:52
Up, yeah. So.
1:34:54
Fatty. Yeah, I went to Blacksburg
1:34:56
Middle School, Christiansburg High School and then to Tech so.
1:35:01
You probably went to the old middle school before it was
1:35:03
tornado. Yeah, before it was completely
1:35:06
destroyed. Yeah, luckily I wasn't there for
1:35:08
that, but. Yeah, you are not in the actual
1:35:12
building. I'm very, yeah, I'm very
1:35:14
familiar with with the area. It's, it's important to me.
1:35:19
I watched a small town transform from impoverished to, you know,
1:35:25
having the football team is super important to me because of
1:35:29
how I saw my community transformed.
1:35:31
So I, I, I guess I have a little bit more heart in it than I
1:35:34
probably should sometimes. Now you, you now you're hard in
1:35:39
the right place. Don't, don't, don't, don't do it
1:35:41
like that. You're hard in the right place.
1:35:42
I, I think what, what you know, what you're saying is that, you
1:35:47
know, there's enough and me and Tyler gone around around with
1:35:50
it. It's enough blame to spread
1:35:52
around all across the board. You know, I love this staff.
1:35:55
I love this school, I love this program and I'm I'm relatively
1:35:57
new to it, But you know, it's still to the point where, you
1:36:02
know, there are certain things along the way that and, and for
1:36:07
me and, and just for me, you know, just like Tally said, that
1:36:11
Georgia Tech week is, is the week that turned it for me
1:36:14
because you had the opportunity to do certain things.
1:36:17
You you slee wasn't coming back playing get prop, get pop
1:36:22
prepared and and whatever happened, whatever, whatever
1:36:27
happens happened. But a lot of these guys, they
1:36:29
came on y'all show early, early last year.
1:36:32
I remember Kyron saying, Hey man, we came back to get
1:36:34
prepared to go to the pros. Yep.
1:36:37
And, and I, and I and I, I, you know, I kind of say to a lot of
1:36:40
the guys, because I talk like, play where your feet are
1:36:43
planted. That's going to happen.
1:36:45
If it's going to happen, it's going to happen.
1:36:46
But play where your feet are planted.
1:36:48
But they were playing for the league in August.
1:36:55
That's what they, they weren't playing to be great this year.
1:36:57
They were playing for the league in June, July, August.
1:37:00
That's it. That's where their minds were
1:37:01
at. And and then just had they just
1:37:03
went and took care of their business the way they could
1:37:06
have, then it would be totally different.
1:37:09
But but going back to the the biggest thing, and I think this
1:37:12
Matt Moore higher, like everybody said earlier, it's
1:37:14
probably the biggest, biggest hire is a huge hire and change
1:37:19
some things in strength and conditioning because what we're
1:37:22
seeing and I think with this DC high is going to help too.
1:37:26
That's going to be that's going to be huge.
1:37:28
You got to win. Let's.
1:37:29
Let's start with that right now, because you're saying that we're
1:37:32
often here screaming at who do y'all think, and I'm going to
1:37:36
pitch you to Dan. Dan, you've been quiet.
1:37:37
Dan got Dan's computer fucked up on it and it had a rough last 15
1:37:41
minutes. Dan, who's the DC hire,
1:37:44
honestly. Who like who do I?
1:37:47
Who? Who do?
1:37:48
You think And who do you want? Man, I the honestly the longer
1:37:54
it goes the more I think it's Anthony Poindexter.
1:37:59
OK, is that who I don't? Though.
1:38:02
I mean, at this point, yeah, like, Jeff Collins doesn't
1:38:04
inspire me. He's a good DC.
1:38:07
But like, I feel like there are some new coaches around our
1:38:13
regional rivals for recruits. Not to mention James Franklin is
1:38:19
still heavy in Virginia. Like he got Tony Rojas had a
1:38:22
pick 6 in that fucking playoff game and he's a Virginia kid.
1:38:27
Like like, you know what I'm saying?
1:38:29
Like it's just like I feel like from AI feel like he's a good
1:38:33
coach is not necessarily the March situation because he's 48.
1:38:37
He's been Co DC. He had a little he dabbled in
1:38:39
calling some plays. I feel like even pride and Manny
1:38:43
Diaz and now Tom Allen have probably groomed this dude to
1:38:46
call plays. He's great recruiter.
1:38:49
He'll get kids to come to Virginia Tech.
1:38:52
I feel like that if that if you're going that route, like
1:38:57
that's who I would go with. He's the closest thing you can
1:39:00
get to like hiring Tori and Gray without hiring Tori and Gray.
1:39:03
Because you're not. At this point, you're not hiring
1:39:05
Tori and Gray. We're not getting Gray back.
1:39:08
So if if what you want to do is get a big Dick recruiter that
1:39:13
can pull kids from Virginia that has at least enough experience
1:39:17
doing it, whether you whether Co, DC or whether calling the
1:39:20
defense, he's checking a lot of the boxes.
1:39:22
The only box he doesn't check is that after you move on from a
1:39:26
MARV, you're not getting a very proven defensive coordinator.
1:39:31
In terms of a guy that is called the defense for multiple years
1:39:35
before coming into Blacksburg, that's the one thing.
1:39:37
You're Maddie. Maddie, Maddie, First things
1:39:40
first, this is our podcast. You don't fucking stay on mute,
1:39:44
dude. Everybody's got a voice here.
1:39:46
You stay off mute. Is that a?
1:39:48
This is. Dino no, I'm not.
1:39:50
I'm going to be honest. Can I be honest?
1:39:52
I I have a little bit of gas. Oh my God, we don't.
1:39:58
Hey man, like to be honest. Jack the Ripper in this bitch.
1:40:01
Can I just say something real quick?
1:40:04
I kind of respect Maddie for putting his face on the camera
1:40:07
and letting him be his thoughts be exposed.
1:40:10
Is that your is your picture is Joe, it looks like that's you,
1:40:15
right? People think I'm a burner.
1:40:17
I did an AI picture to put a headset on me so I could like.
1:40:21
I just want to say I'm not I. Just want to it's the only time
1:40:26
I'm ever going to say this. I'm going to say it now on this
1:40:28
program. There are grown ass men on this
1:40:32
in this world that all they do every day is think about me.
1:40:35
They're with their wife at the Thanksgiving table, they're
1:40:38
opening presents, they're thinking about me.
1:40:40
They're and I feel bad when they fuck their wife because I
1:40:44
guarantee you they're not thinking about her.
1:40:46
That's all I'm saying. You got man.
1:40:49
Prod alone. We didn't got we.
1:40:52
The liquor has hit Dan's hit Maddie.
1:40:54
We'll. Go to you.
1:40:55
Before we got everybody else, DC where you want.
1:40:58
I mean, honestly, I mean, I don't hate the the Poindexter
1:41:03
thing. I I really just want someone
1:41:06
who's called snaps before. I'm kind of with you guys.
1:41:09
I don't really follow the coaching trail and all of these
1:41:13
things and really try to dive into all of them.
1:41:17
I want our leadership to pick somebody who's good.
1:41:20
I hope that Pride would. He didn't before with Mars.
1:41:23
So my trust is a little broken. But I'm not going to go through
1:41:26
every single potential coaching hire and their resume and all
1:41:29
these things. I want a culture fit.
1:41:31
I want somebody who loves Blacksburg.
1:41:33
I want somebody who loves Bud Foster.
1:41:36
I want somebody who who can really Foster under oh, wait,
1:41:40
pun intended. Pun intended.
1:41:42
Under that under that care. I don't have like somebody in
1:41:46
mind. I don't I I just want them to
1:41:48
play Virginia textile defense and I want us to be aggressive
1:41:52
10 our years back and get blown out on 3rd downs as usual.
1:41:55
Yeah. I mean, let's talk about this
1:41:57
comment from Andrew, because, you know, I think this is kind
1:41:59
of at the crux of the two, the two biggest names that have been
1:42:03
floated out there in terms of AP and Jeff Collins.
1:42:08
You know, I, I, I like the point here.
1:42:11
The only thing that I will say is that we've talked about pride
1:42:17
needing somebody that can help him with in game management.
1:42:21
That's been a big problem off and on throughout his his
1:42:26
tenure. It shows up big time in one
1:42:28
score games because when it's tight, you see the flaws a lot
1:42:31
easier. And we we've seen the flaws in
1:42:34
one score games, prize decision making and crunch time.
1:42:38
So Jeff Collins could potentially help with that.
1:42:41
I'm still at the point where Jeff Collins rubs a lot of
1:42:45
people the wrong way. I don't know how good he would
1:42:50
be in this footprint. Was Jeff Collins, don't know if
1:42:53
North Carolina this year? I don't know if I.
1:42:55
Trust the coach that gave. 70 Burger Did they have a?
1:42:58
Did they have a? Basketball school, Yeah, right.
1:43:01
They did, yeah. That motherfucker can't come
1:43:03
here and coach. He.
1:43:06
Gave up seventy point you. Need resume guy to be a game
1:43:13
manager. Does that person really have to
1:43:15
have a big resume? I almost feel like you go to
1:43:17
tech sideline and bring on David Cunningham and he would game
1:43:20
manage pretty well. My fucking nephews playing NCAA
1:43:29
kid game man is better than we fucking.
1:43:31
Game. Man, find the 100th best NCAA
1:43:37
player and they're going to. But if you wouldn't have an
1:43:42
adult, do it. Shelton.
1:43:43
Shelton is my first, first, second, third, 4th and 5th
1:43:46
choice to be the game manager. Got Sheldon is my stats child I
1:43:50
love. Him could make it tonight, but.
1:43:55
Back to the question though, what Curtis said and what Curtis
1:43:59
said and and Lavar just put it up as well.
1:44:02
I never paid attention, but JM U's deep defensive coordinator
1:44:05
would be a good hire. But just thinking about things
1:44:08
like logically now, it's like if some of these people were the
1:44:12
hire, why wouldn't they be there?
1:44:15
Like if Jeff Collins was the guy we're trying to get portal
1:44:18
people in, why is he not there if Lyle him?
1:44:22
Why? Why have we done so good with
1:44:24
the ease in this transfer portal cycle, right?
1:44:27
So it's not so much that I think of like what I want.
1:44:30
Or what I think is good. I'm just thinking like what it
1:44:35
could be. I'm trying to I'm trying to play
1:44:36
clue. You know what I'm saying?
1:44:38
I'm trying to do this and I just want y'all to like, he said.
1:44:41
Make the hire and it be good. What if money were not an object
1:44:46
and we could hire anyone that may be available here in this
1:44:49
offseason because of a firing? I'm just saying Brent Venables
1:44:53
is right there. After he just lost the Navy.
1:44:57
But he ain't. He's still coaching, though.
1:44:59
Yes, he's still a great defensive coordinator.
1:45:03
Yeah, he's a good defensive coordinator, though.
1:45:04
He just, I don't think he's a good head coach.
1:45:06
He's Oklahoma. He's not a shattered.
1:45:08
He's he's been a he's been shattered after leaving Dabo
1:45:12
Swing. I I just no, I don't, I don't
1:45:14
think Venables. I mean, if we're if we're
1:45:16
fantasy booking, we got all the money in the world.
1:45:19
Fucking Nick Saban's on college. I mean, you know, so get.
1:45:25
Out of a job to pay your people? As a coordinator, let's go.
1:45:28
Let's go get. Saban's Yeah.
1:45:31
Michael Vick is a coach, is a hit, Yeah.
1:45:33
Michael Vick is a coach at North Norfolk State.
1:45:36
Yeah. Deshawn.
1:45:37
Jackson Deshawn Jackson is coaching.
1:45:40
Bill Belichick is coaching in college.
1:45:42
Like what is going on right now? This is crazy.
1:45:46
I don't know. By the way, what's?
1:45:49
Going on with Belichick, I have no clue how to feel about it
1:45:51
because I don't think he's going to be a good head coach at a
1:45:54
college like situation, but he still will have more money than
1:46:02
anything that I think we've encountered in the ACC ever.
1:46:06
So they're really investing in the program and I can't wait to
1:46:11
see it fall flat on its fucking face.
1:46:13
As fuck UNC. Yeah, but but I mean, what about
1:46:18
Bam Bam Cam? Where's Cam Chancellor at?
1:46:20
Don't you think he could come in and do something?
1:46:24
That ain't that ain't Cam steel. That ain't I don't think that's
1:46:27
cams Moi think Cam is just enjoying enjoying life.
1:46:33
So I mean cam's running. A restaurant.
1:46:36
Yeah, Cam's enjoying life, man. Cam's got.
1:46:38
Some people tried that too, and if you've been to Blacksburg,
1:46:40
you know that didn't work out very.
1:46:41
Well, hey, but I'm. Going to picture you in a
1:46:44
second. I'm old, I'm old.
1:46:45
Light up Tib's ass real quick, Tib.
1:46:48
You don't know about Oklahoma culture football, because Bob
1:46:50
Stoops was the fucking defensive coordinator of Florida in the
1:46:52
90s when they lit fucking people up.
1:46:54
When he got to Oklahoma in the early 2000s, Oklahoma was a
1:46:58
fucking defensive fucking beast. They held fucking Florida State
1:47:02
to two points in the national championship games.
1:47:05
Guess what? The only way you score points is
1:47:07
2 points is if you sacked the fucking quarterback in the end
1:47:09
zone. They did have offensive culture
1:47:13
there. Over the last 25 years it has
1:47:16
transitioned to an offensive culture.
1:47:18
Listen, don't, don't fuck around with me about fucking football
1:47:20
history because I follow. Hey, real, real interesting.
1:47:24
Since Bob Stoops retired, Oklahoma's won two bowl games
1:47:27
and 1:00. Of them did Coach Bob Stoops 1,
1:47:30
Coach Bob Stoops the rest, Yeah. And they lost the day to the
1:47:33
Navy. But by the way, they did the
1:47:35
right thing. You go for two at the end of the
1:47:36
game in the bowl game, you try to win the motherfucker.
1:47:39
Hey, Chris, because you're down in the 75 and.
1:47:42
And this is a topic I did not plan on bringing up tonight, but
1:47:45
what has been that feeling with Mike taking the Norfolk State
1:47:48
job down there, man, Because it's you live in.
1:47:52
It and. Is an icon down there.
1:47:55
Yeah, well, Mike's not just an icon down here, Mike's an icon
1:47:59
nationally. I think that's one of the the
1:48:01
best redemptive stories anybody could ever talk about.
1:48:04
But yeah, I'm, I'm kind of torn in in the midst of it because my
1:48:08
daughter goes to Norfolk State and she's been on my ass for not
1:48:13
having any Norfolk State gear. And so I had to go buy stuff for
1:48:17
Christmas just at Norfolk State. But it's a great opportunity for
1:48:21
him and to get a lot of the kids.
1:48:26
Y'all know, every kid is thinking, hey, I should go play
1:48:31
big time power for football. And a lot of kids have had
1:48:36
Norfolk State on the back burner.
1:48:37
We're like, OK, if I don't get there, then I'm going to end up
1:48:39
going to Norfolk State. Well, that's going to shift
1:48:42
because they're going to have to get their one.
1:48:46
I can still think they're going to be kids that are going to
1:48:48
send gold P4 schools and because they're still going to love
1:48:51
that, but you're still going to get a higher grade talent ball
1:48:54
player, especially with ODU here in this last cycle, not taking
1:48:59
1757 kid yeah, you, but you're following.
1:49:02
So I think it's it's huge in the area.
1:49:05
The impact is great. Everybody's excited and he's
1:49:09
he's going to get an opportunity.
1:49:10
He's going to get some time. What?
1:49:12
What? Do you think about what do you
1:49:13
think? Because my thoughts on it was,
1:49:15
man, why didn't Tech bring them on?
1:49:18
But it's great for Norfolk State.
1:49:19
It's great for the 757. I'm really excited about him
1:49:22
going in there. Yeah, but.
1:49:24
And he still loves Virginia Tech, right?
1:49:26
He still loves Virginia Tech. So, yeah, he still loves Tech.
1:49:28
Could this be sort of a farm, a farming program to where he he's
1:49:33
recruiting, developing talent. He he's going to keep, he's
1:49:35
going to want to win his games. But where he could funnel some
1:49:38
talent to Virginia Tech out of the 757 after getting some
1:49:42
snacks? Well, we got, we got, we got a
1:49:44
big enough farm system in the 757 that because of pride,
1:49:48
because of the relationships with Fontelle Mines and JC and
1:49:51
all these guys, we got enough people that get the best players
1:49:54
out of here. So it's not going to take for
1:49:56
Mike A, I'm going to store a kid over here and I'm going to give
1:49:59
him, Nah, there's enough, there's enough talent to go
1:50:01
around. You know, with the new thing,
1:50:04
with the JUCO guys going, I feel bad for a kid that's in high
1:50:08
school right now. I'm going to be totally honest
1:50:10
with you because unless you're a top a top tier kid, that's
1:50:14
probably going to turn around and end up being a problem
1:50:16
because because people have to win.
1:50:19
OK, So they'll go get the best first, second or third best JUCO
1:50:22
player, bring him into play for a year or two and then turn
1:50:25
around and get and you got 2003 thousand kids jumping in a
1:50:28
portal. That high school kid is going to
1:50:31
have to come in and be elite and having that whole year.
1:50:35
They're going to have to come in and know they're going to be
1:50:38
they're going to red shirt, you know, and and it doesn't matter
1:50:41
because they won't have the time to be better than a guy who's
1:50:44
been on even a JUCO training table to be able to come and
1:50:48
outperform him. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, the
1:50:51
big, the biggest thing for most kids when they sit, man, is they
1:50:54
just ain't, they ain't big. They haven't been eating enough
1:50:57
at home. Mom and daddy ain't been able to
1:50:58
feed them enough. You can get fun in to play
1:51:00
Division One football. That is the big thing you're
1:51:03
dealing with. So.
1:51:04
So let's and then. Tackle this a little bit too
1:51:06
because you know, Maddie, you brought up Cam Chancellor.
1:51:12
What I see is that you're going to see some kids like Cam
1:51:18
because in today's game, Cam would not have gotten AP4 ride,
1:51:22
let's be honest. Zero chance.
1:51:24
Yeah, zero chance in. Today's game, he would not have
1:51:26
gotten AP4 ride. You're going to see guys like
1:51:28
that get a chance at a Norfolk State and then when they
1:51:32
develop, they going to take that big jump.
1:51:35
There you go, that's it. Kim also wouldn't have been as
1:51:39
overlooked. Now recruiting's a lot different
1:51:41
recruiting services. That is fair, but I'm saying
1:51:43
you're not going to see a a a a 2 1/2 star quarterback out of
1:51:47
high school get a get AP4 look. Well, well, that's, that's kind
1:51:52
of what I said earlier, right? I mean, that's kind of exactly
1:51:54
what I said. That's what I'm saying.
1:51:55
That's why I wanted to piggyback on that and kind of circle back
1:51:57
to that point relative to the VIX situation.
1:52:00
It's harder for the high schoolers to get in and actually
1:52:04
get into a good program now because of the transfer portal.
1:52:07
And like I was saying earlier, why would you roll the dice?
1:52:11
Why when you can go out and get a known quantity?
1:52:14
When? You can actually see how they
1:52:15
perform on a level like this before.
1:52:18
Yeah, there's going to be these fucking superstars that you go
1:52:21
out and you swing on. But everything has changed
1:52:24
because of me and I on the transfer portal.
1:52:26
And I'm not saying it's bad. Honestly, I think it gives us an
1:52:29
advantage over a lot of programs because we still have like a top
1:52:33
30 NIL. We're still in a good position
1:52:35
to where we can go out and we can swing and we can Moneyball
1:52:38
and we can put a good team together out of nowhere.
1:52:41
Yes, we can. So it's not necessarily bad, it
1:52:44
just sucks for these high schoolers.
1:52:46
Yeah, High school program right now.
1:52:48
It's, it's, it's crazy right now for high school kids just trying
1:52:51
to get recruited. One of my, my good friends, his
1:52:54
son is going to ECU as a linebacker coming out of
1:52:58
Huntsville, AL. So it, it's just watching him go
1:53:02
through that, the, the recruiting.
1:53:04
Yeah, watching him go through the recruiting process and, you
1:53:07
know, listening to his stories and things like that, it's
1:53:10
crazy. And it takes a lot of work for a
1:53:12
high school kid that has talent to get to the next level because
1:53:17
of the transfer portal and how many people are in it and things
1:53:20
like that. But I'm have to hop out for you
1:53:22
guys in just a minute. I did want to say something,
1:53:24
though, before I get out of here because I've seen a couple
1:53:26
people talking about it in the chat and just reiterating on it.
1:53:30
Like Mike Vick, that's my guy. Like that's when somebody says
1:53:34
like, who is your heroes even on and off the court, like Mike
1:53:38
Victoria and Kobe is, is that's my heroes.
1:53:41
And not just because of what they did on the court is because
1:53:43
they made mistakes and they came back from a different way, you
1:53:48
know what I'm saying? And they addressed those issues
1:53:49
and and got better from them. But when we're just talking
1:53:54
football and not, you know, the love of a of a player or what
1:53:58
he's done on the field, Virginia Tech couldn't.
1:54:01
Like I've seen people keep saying Virginia Tech couldn't
1:54:03
bring Michael Vick in and make him a coach.
1:54:05
I mean, they could, but if it fails, where does he go from
1:54:07
there? You know, it's kind of the same
1:54:10
thing of like, I feel so bad for Jay Ham because Jay Ham had 0
1:54:14
experience and he got thrown into being a defensive
1:54:17
coordinator and we fucking ate him up and he'll never be able
1:54:21
to coach up Virginia Tech again because because of what he did
1:54:24
his first stint. So what if Mike Vick comes in,
1:54:26
he tries to help with the quarterbacks or does something
1:54:29
to some extent with zero coaching experience and it turns
1:54:33
out horrible and then like you've ruined the legend.
1:54:37
Nobody wants to see that. So he has to go that route of
1:54:41
feel how you want to feel about Dionne.
1:54:43
I feel like Dionne talks too much sometime, but I got to give
1:54:46
Dionne his credit. Dionne went that route.
1:54:49
He went to Jackson State, he said I'm going to go and get the
1:54:53
best. He got Travis Hunter and he
1:54:55
turned Travis Hunter into a Heisman Trophy winner.
1:54:59
You know, I got to give Dean that credit.
1:55:00
I'm not saying Mike Vick will do that, but he did open eyes for
1:55:03
people to give, you know, former athletes a chance.
1:55:08
Because when you have somebody like them or Michael Vick or
1:55:11
even Deshaun Jackson, I don't know how where it goes.
1:55:14
But I'm saying in the old style of football, In the old style of
1:55:18
football, they probably wouldn't have gave them chance.
1:55:20
And you got other people coaching too.
1:55:22
We got other. Players coaching Georgia.
1:55:25
You got any George out? There any Georgians coaching
1:55:28
doing a good job at at Tennessee State.
1:55:32
So it things are changing. You know what I'm saying?
1:55:35
And I, and I'm glad to see it, but I don't want to not say
1:55:38
nobody, nobody said, oh, go ahead, go ahead.
1:55:42
But to your point about Michael Vick, everybody, because I've
1:55:44
seen some of these hate comments too, and I want to punch him in
1:55:47
the face, but I'm not. I'm going to the Bugs Bunny and
1:55:49
kiss him on the cheek. But if you haven't read his
1:55:52
book, then I suggest you do so before you have any judgments
1:55:56
about that man. He served his time, he did what
1:55:59
he he had to do. He's admitted to his wrongs and
1:56:02
hit in his book. It's very clearly laid out about
1:56:05
the man that he is now. So for all the Michael Vick
1:56:08
hate, get the fuck out of here. That boy from the 757.
1:56:12
Him and Allen Iverson changed both the perspective sports.
1:56:15
They both came from Virginia and put some respect on that man's
1:56:18
name. Because of what he's done.
1:56:22
Michael Vick, because he's what he's done afterwards, has done
1:56:25
more for animal advocacy and actually advancing taking care
1:56:31
of animals than almost anyone else in existence.
1:56:34
So fuck all y'all but also people don't.
1:56:36
Understand the. Cultural.
1:56:39
Nation in which these things are fostered.
1:56:41
It's a there's a there's a whole bunch behind it.
1:56:44
So before you have a stupid opinion online like I do often,
1:56:48
try to at least read into it a little bit.
1:56:52
Michael Vick is a good. Man, that'll take you down a
1:56:55
whole another. Rabbit, you know, I've always
1:57:03
wanted to sit down with Dwight and tell them, Zach, how I feel
1:57:05
about it. Most people won't understand it.
1:57:08
Some people will understand it. But you.
1:57:10
Know yeah, yeah, that's a totally.
1:57:15
Different conversation. I had a conversation with some
1:57:19
true animal lovers about that situation and they probably
1:57:24
think I'm the Antichrist or something because of what I said
1:57:26
about a couple of different things that was going on.
1:57:30
And this was right in the middle of it.
1:57:32
Because I can't believe you support him during this.
1:57:34
And I'm like man, I didn't see some stuff where I come from.
1:57:38
I'm just tell you like y'all see people going out and killing
1:57:41
elephants and Jaguars and stuff like that.
1:57:43
Like that stuff look weird to me.
1:57:44
But when I see anyway, I ain't going to get on that tonight,
1:57:47
y'all. I got to get off here.
1:57:49
I love y'all. But don't have a good one man
1:57:51
enjoy which wife. Man, win some money for me.
1:57:54
Man, I'm about to go bet on some games.
1:58:00
Hell. Yeah, you think?
1:58:02
Something about Michael? Vick, Something about Michael
1:58:05
Vick that doesn't ever get brought up that I like that
1:58:08
people need to realize is this man, he could have filed Chapter
1:58:12
7 bankruptcy and not paid shit. Like he would have been off the
1:58:15
hook. Like you could have liquidated
1:58:17
his assets. He wouldn't have owed any money.
1:58:18
He chose to file to to pay his debts back completely.
1:58:24
All of my my. Millions of dollars.
1:58:26
He chose to pay it back. Character well.
1:58:29
I mean, again, because I grew up in Blacksburg, he's he's a lot
1:58:33
different to me. Kids couldn't afford school
1:58:36
clothes before he showed up in Blacksburg.
1:58:39
Yep, we were automatic ran through this town because of
1:58:41
Michael Vick. We were I love Michael or and I
1:58:44
love my dogs, man, I love it I. Mean Michael Michael Vick.
1:58:47
I mean, my parents are more affluent.
1:58:49
A lot of my friends parents are more affluent only because the
1:58:53
area became more profitable and that only happened on the legs
1:58:56
of Michael Vick and so he will always be hero to me.
1:58:59
You didn't even need to try here.
1:59:00
You could just sit on real estate forever and you'd be rich
1:59:03
in Blacksburg. It was worth fucking dirt.
1:59:07
I love this entire thing and I, I made a whole thing about it.
1:59:10
Like it's everyone in Blacksburg just like, Oh no, we need to
1:59:14
stay this little small town and they idealized like the 19
1:59:18
fucking 50s when no one wanted to fucking live here.
1:59:21
It's ridiculous. There is a huge contingent in
1:59:25
this town that wants to hold the entire goddamn fucking town back
1:59:29
all the time, and it's ridiculous.
1:59:33
And hey, that's just Jeremy. Blacksburg on the On the rocks,
1:59:36
ladies. And gentlemen, rocks, we just.
1:59:38
Miss that? Often, so they might need to go
1:59:43
and get some experience under his belt because there's a
1:59:46
difference between being a high level player and being able to
1:59:49
coach on a high level. It's two different, two
1:59:51
different things. Get some experience and then I
1:59:53
would love to see him again. Honestly, that would make my
1:59:56
heart sing. I would.
1:59:58
Love to, it's also a different thing, but if shame when it came
2:00:02
here 1st and failed he'd have been fucked too.
2:00:04
Well, there's play. There's play left, and there's
2:00:06
still a Game of Thrones redemption arc for him.
2:00:08
The banished son returns to claim the King's throne.
2:00:12
There's still that arc. For shame.
2:00:14
I don't know we. Know how Chris feels?
2:00:19
About Shane, we know. How Chris feels about Shane
2:00:25
Beamer that. Whole fantasy about Shane on
2:00:27
your own, yeah. But I guess, I guess from
2:00:30
somebody, you know, like me, I guess, and maybe this is stupid,
2:00:33
maybe it's ignorant. I just want somebody who has to
2:00:37
care about it. Like I feel like Shane would
2:00:39
have to care about it because it's his.
2:00:41
Dad, I think. I mean, I think.
2:00:43
Like that, I want somebody who. Cares.
2:00:46
I feel like pride has to care about no.
2:00:48
Prep no pride care about it? Don't.
2:00:50
Care he don't. He don't care about it.
2:00:52
It is. This was his bump.
2:00:55
Yeah, this, this, this next year is he's got to make, he's got to
2:01:00
make a stride. He he had a shirt out last year
2:01:05
3. I got it.
2:01:06
Oh, hold on. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:01:08
Hey. Man, that, that shirt is
2:01:12
everything, you know what I'm saying?
2:01:13
And, and I'm and I'm a gearhound and that's the one shirt that I
2:01:17
don't have. It's two shirts I don't.
2:01:18
Have. I don't have that I've.
2:01:19
Been dying to get but that three, that 37 question mark
2:01:22
one, there you go. Go and go and show it.
2:01:25
That's huge That that question. Yeah, that that question mark
2:01:31
shirt was supposed to be double digit wins.
2:01:33
Now he's got he's got to be to the point.
2:01:35
Whatever slogan they come in this year, it's got to be about
2:01:38
getting to 8-9 wins. You know what I'm saying?
2:01:43
It's a six shirt still. Oh, it's still high.
2:01:49
Yeah. And so, so that's that's, that's
2:01:51
you. That's that's.
2:01:52
That's. That's the number, so you're.
2:01:54
Saying dove dove emojis in the chat.
2:01:56
So at at best it's going to be 377 at this point.
2:02:00
Yeah, it's going to be 377. Yeah, yeah, it's 377.
2:02:03
But this this year is huge. This everything was pointing
2:02:06
towards, you know, we thought 23 but the every them coming back,
2:02:11
we had this high expectation of everybody was going to come back
2:02:14
and tick up. But I'm going to be told on.
2:02:18
To you I. I think only a few guys ticked
2:02:21
up to the next level like we talked about, yeah.
2:02:27
You guys picked up? Yeah, they didn't.
2:02:29
Yeah, right. Yeah.
2:02:32
So base all ticked up. APR ticked up, I think.
2:02:39
Yeah, that's that, that's it for me.
2:02:41
That that took that next step. That took the next step.
2:02:44
You know what I'm saying? Jay Lane was hurt.
2:02:47
You know Jim SPTI just got to say Pratt cares about it.
2:02:52
It's the only thing that get him out of Penn State.
2:02:56
No, a few extra $1,000,000 a year will also get him out of
2:02:59
Penn State. Let's not like.
2:03:03
So we can say that there. Was probably only a handful.
2:03:05
Of jobs, probably. Would have taken out of Penn
2:03:07
State. Let's let's be honest, there was
2:03:08
a handful of jobs probably have taken out of Penn State so.
2:03:12
This is one of SO. He cares, but he.
2:03:15
Would not point if he didn't give a shit.
2:03:18
Exactly. Oh yeah.
2:03:20
Because hold on. Because this is going to go
2:03:21
back, you're right. The last guy, because the last
2:03:23
guy gave a shit. He was hired about three to four
2:03:26
people. Woodson ticked up.
2:03:28
Oh yeah, Woodson. Yeah, Woodson definitely ticked
2:03:30
up. Yeah, Woodson took some, but
2:03:32
Woodson was coming. Let's talk about Jayden Keller.
2:03:35
Jayden Keller finally took the step we were expecting.
2:03:37
It's probably a year too late game, six year later than we
2:03:41
wanted it to be. But I think it came with him
2:03:43
having but that that's when him coming having a true Mike
2:03:46
Brumfield, even though he may have been undersized, he was
2:03:48
still a true Mike to kind of show him.
2:03:50
And they've done that here. Just from what I've seen,
2:03:53
canteen was the guy that kind of get Monsieur and strong to the
2:03:56
point you can feel they were good out there.
2:03:58
That's why they kind of brought these these cornerbacks in to
2:04:00
kind of, you know, mentor Lovett, mentor the Josh Clarkson
2:04:06
and and the Christian Williamson and things like that to mentor a
2:04:10
Curettic. So that's what's going to end up
2:04:11
happening. The kid from ECU is a film.
2:04:14
How? Dude, that dude.
2:04:16
Yeah, right. He is the He is the new canteen.
2:04:19
Right. So the, the the only, the only
2:04:21
thing we've never had here is a true might.
2:04:26
The only problem is he gets there January, he gets there
2:04:28
January 19th. When he gets there, you're going
2:04:32
to you're going to have to kind of do what Dabo did with Sammy
2:04:34
Brown and you're going to have to live with some of the
2:04:37
mistakes. You're going to have to live
2:04:39
with it, play Keller, play Clatter Bomb and live with some
2:04:42
of the mistakes. It's so it's, it's going to be,
2:04:45
it's going to be very much. Dax Hollyfield, 2018.
2:04:48
Come on, you have to live with. A little bit of that.
2:04:50
You've got to live with a little bit for the upside of what he
2:04:52
going to end up be. But then you butter Noah
2:04:54
Chambers beside him. Noah, Noah Chambers being, you
2:04:57
know, the kind of Fred Warner type kind of kid having that,
2:05:01
doing that, you know, my heart goes out to my dude, you know,
2:05:04
and everybody keep praying for my man Gabe.
2:05:06
Gabe, Gabe is your extra. He's your extra recruit in 26
2:05:11
because he'll be back. He'll be back then motivated
2:05:15
bigger, stronger, faster. And that's what's going to
2:05:19
happen then. So that that's that's the
2:05:21
biggest thing. You're up the middle is going to
2:05:23
be you're going to have a fall off somewhat, but I still think
2:05:28
Gilliam is going to be fine. Copeland, Copeland going to come
2:05:31
back healthy. Gerard Johnson is going to come
2:05:33
in there and be able to play. You're going to have you're
2:05:35
going to have hand Chuck be able to play on the outside.
2:05:37
You're going to get some guys like that.
2:05:39
Ace and Stevens is going to be. Dandy's going to be good.
2:05:42
Ace and Stevens has. Has looked good.
2:05:47
Man, if he can ramp that up to 40 snaps a game.
2:05:50
Yeah, but the thing about it is you're going to be able to have
2:05:52
guys, you know, the since the sincere kid.
2:05:55
Yeah, I'm tampering. They said the portal, You know,
2:05:57
I would love him to come here and, you know, and and be able
2:06:00
to match up with him and him and him and Ace and, you know,
2:06:03
Burgos on the other side and just.
2:06:05
And then Dandy. I'm just looking at it like
2:06:07
that. So.
2:06:08
Chris, everybody, everybody else tampering you might as.
2:06:11
Well, do it. Hey man, I'm on the Darius great
2:06:14
tampering deal because I need as many offensive lines as.
2:06:17
I can get, man. Hey, and why are we tampering?
2:06:19
Why are we tampering? Kyle Altuner, brother.
2:06:22
Oh. Baby, come on home.
2:06:25
Baby, come on. Home.
2:06:27
The crib is the crib, baby. Let's do this.
2:06:30
Got me shit. They should get everybody else.
2:06:32
Also, Tib Tib brought up a really good point earlier.
2:06:36
Yeah, absolutely calls out dogs. Yes, he does.
2:06:41
Overton. Overton is going to be him.
2:06:44
Good call Bag on him at law. Oh man, Bags Bags is on fire.
2:06:48
Yeah, Bags is on fire tonight. Yeah, I forgot about I forgot
2:06:51
about Aaron Donald 2 point O the.
2:06:52
The only thing in the comment section?
2:06:55
James Gilmore. Y'all know anything about
2:06:57
Priester from Hampton? I know he follows Anthony
2:06:59
Poindexter on Twitter. And he's not the only one.
2:07:06
Yeah, he's not the only one. So I, I, he's.
2:07:08
Not the only one. Yeah, I, I just think that we're
2:07:11
going to, we're going to continue to be a school that
2:07:13
we're going to prize, going to live in that in that high school
2:07:16
area. And I think if we do get API,
2:07:19
think it's going to be able to help us get some of those
2:07:22
Pennsylvania recruits, get some of those New Jersey recruits,
2:07:25
still stay solid in, in Virginia because I think we got a good,
2:07:29
we, we boarded, we batten down the hatches.
2:07:31
Nobody's coming in here getting all the guys.
2:07:33
And we can go hit the barreling Catholics as hard as we have,
2:07:35
and even harder now. Right, we can go get those cats.
2:07:38
So I, I definitely think that that's going going to be good.
2:07:41
I I, you know, y'all were saying about Poindex.
2:07:43
I, he was the one guy that when we were, when we were recruiting
2:07:47
and he was the only guy that talked to us.
2:07:49
He was the only guy that went to talked to us.
2:07:50
We went to Penn State and and it was really a disappointing trip
2:07:55
for the kid because we had did that time that's we had did a
2:07:58
trip. We went we came to tech, then we
2:08:03
went to Pittsburgh and we and we did West Virginia.
2:08:08
Then we did we went went up to Ohio to see my my in laws and we
2:08:11
came and did Pittsburgh and we thought Penn State was going to
2:08:13
be the cream of the crop and it was highly disappointing.
2:08:17
Love James Franklin didn't talk to the wide receiver coach and
2:08:21
Anthony Poindex was the only one that sat there and talked to me
2:08:23
and my wife the whole time. Good, good coach, good coach,
2:08:26
good guy, solid guy. When we came back up there
2:08:28
because the kid wasn't going to go back, he was like, hey, I'm
2:08:31
not going going back up here for nothing.
2:08:33
They I mean, it was so bad. We, we went to the junior day
2:08:39
kind of like our hokey, like our, our hokey fest where the,
2:08:42
the class, the 20, I think at that time it was a 22 class, 23
2:08:46
class. They were all coming.
2:08:47
And then you had your high, high no liable 23 guys.
2:08:51
And when Key went there, he, you know, he was like, man, I, I
2:08:54
don't even like it. And then matter of fact, the
2:08:57
wide receiver coach came down in the hotel.
2:08:59
He was walking past us and he was like yeah, I'm about to go
2:09:02
holler at one of my buddies and didn't even talk to Keith.
2:09:04
He said OK well that kind of ends the deal for me.
2:09:07
I'm not coming back up here Yeah and and yeah so you know they
2:09:12
they kind of were out but but point that's to talk to us the
2:09:16
whole time was very personable. Good, good guy.
2:09:18
Remember this when we came back up for the Penn State, Ohio
2:09:21
State game? We don't mean we went there that
2:09:23
time because we wanted to see Marvin Harris in the real life.
2:09:25
I ain't gonna lie to you. That's what I wanted.
2:09:29
Real quick, follow this coaching.
2:09:31
Staff. This coaching staff since day
2:09:33
one when they decided to recruit the portal because the first
2:09:36
year it was many portal guys, which I think we all said was
2:09:40
you lay the culture, whoever's here, if you're good enough to
2:09:42
play, you play. They have hit the portal pretty
2:09:47
fun good. They are good at actually
2:09:49
analyzing guys and saying that guy fits, that guy fits, that
2:09:53
guy fits. Thank you for bringing that up.
2:09:55
But y'all, what else is going to happen because the the move
2:09:58
looks like Poindexter. Poindexter is the guy at safety
2:10:04
and he's going to be the DC. Go ahead.
2:10:08
Put the one James put up. James is always on here with us.
2:10:13
It does that happen? Yes, yes.
2:10:18
I think right now you're, he's like auditioning for this,
2:10:21
right? Because he's, he's leading the
2:10:23
bowl prep and he's he's coaching it in the bowl.
2:10:26
So there would be some sort of proof in the pudding, so to
2:10:32
speak, on that one. Yes.
2:10:35
That that's, you know, we talked about as far as coaching
2:10:37
changes, you know, Ferg being the in house hired that we're
2:10:40
comfortable with. If AP is the guy, ADB at
2:10:44
linebackers is the only other in house hire that I'm good with.
2:10:48
Absolutely, Absolutely. And I guess I mean, there have
2:10:52
been talked or people brought it up, I guess out of, you know,
2:10:55
all season boredom or whatever. But JSJ is don't have a job and
2:11:01
he's great with high school recruiting and DNS.
2:11:05
Would they would they put our guy JC just on defensive tackles
2:11:11
and bring this guy in for the edges and the in home high
2:11:15
school recruiting Jeremy don't laugh at.
2:11:17
Edging though is AP bringing anybody with him because you're
2:11:20
breaking this with. The guy and.
2:11:22
Getting well, Those conversations are happening,
2:11:25
Dave. Well, I, I'm just I, I just
2:11:27
think it's kind of silly. I know nothing.
2:11:29
We're not in a position, I don't know, a.
2:11:31
Damn thing I'm talking about. Pride.
2:11:33
Pride is not in a. Position good for Maddie.
2:11:36
Pride is not in a position to promote from within.
2:11:39
Why? Not you're not wrong.
2:11:41
Because he's not wrong, because nobody under him would have been
2:11:44
fostered. Well, now, that doesn't mean
2:11:46
that somebody down there doesn't deserve it.
2:11:49
I've been passed over a lot of times for positions that I
2:11:52
thought that I really earned and deserved.
2:11:54
But the the company didn't need it at the time.
2:11:56
They needed some outside influence to come in and change
2:11:59
things around a little bit. So that doesn't mean that
2:12:01
anybody below there doesn't deserve it or they couldn't do
2:12:04
the job. Pry in.
2:12:05
This may be his last season. If he doesn't have a winning one
2:12:09
is not in a position to promote from within on a 500 team.
2:12:13
You have to bring in somebody from the outside.
2:12:16
All right, so let me let me throw this action because
2:12:18
because what we're doing here, what we're doing here, right?
2:12:21
So if you bring in an APA PS coaches safety, that means
2:12:23
Pearson's probably taking a off the field roll again.
2:12:27
So you're still back in a situation where you've got one
2:12:30
guy that pretty much is a in house hireright because Pearson
2:12:36
outside of his credentials that he didn't personally attained,
2:12:40
he he wasn't a coach before he took this off field role, right.
2:12:44
So I would be good with the DB stepping into that role when you
2:12:47
got somebody like AP stepping into safeties and Prelo taking
2:12:52
more of an off the field or at least a secondary type position
2:12:56
role within this organization because you're trading one for
2:12:59
the other. Well, I don't mind guys stepping
2:13:00
up in ancillary roles. I I don't mind assistant coaches
2:13:04
being promoted from within. I think with the DC though, I
2:13:07
think it has to be an outside hire.
2:13:09
Oh, yeah, yeah. You saying, you saying the
2:13:12
coordinator for these? Yeah, You saying for the
2:13:14
coordinators, the guy, Yeah. OK, but I just understood you
2:13:17
there, Maddie. Yeah.
2:13:18
Ain't no fucking way we hire in internal for that for that.
2:13:22
No. Last time we do that in the
2:13:24
short term. Right.
2:13:25
And and, and, and on the same note, you already had a world
2:13:29
class strength and conditioning guy in the building before we
2:13:32
brought in Deej. I love Deej is a good guy, but
2:13:35
Jared Ferguson was a world class.
2:13:37
He already had everything in there and I think he's going to
2:13:39
change the culture with the strength and condition.
2:13:42
I mean, I was cracking up when I cracked up, when, you know, I
2:13:47
was talking to Dan, I was talking to the kid, you know,
2:13:50
first day, you know, we ain't got no music.
2:13:52
We came to work. I love that about Ferguson.
2:13:54
So I love Coach Ferguson, I love, you know, I love the old
2:13:57
staff. But I think that higher within
2:14:00
changes the culture. I think it changes the culture.
2:14:03
Yeah, culture is big and I think, you know, you talk about
2:14:06
the music. I mean, there, there's something
2:14:07
to that. I think Ferg is going to bring
2:14:10
an edge to strength and conditioning that we haven't
2:14:14
seen. And we talked about it a few
2:14:16
weeks back, like my day, you had to be fucking afraid of your
2:14:20
strength and the conditioning coach.
2:14:21
You did not want to see that motherfucker walk in the
2:14:24
building you. You wanted to have a a healthy
2:14:26
fear of that person because he you know that he's going to push
2:14:30
you to your absolute fucking edge.
2:14:32
Absolutely. So I, I, I, I like, I think, I
2:14:34
think getting AP will be three home runs.
2:14:39
And I just think you're going to have to do what they didn't want
2:14:43
to do before and that's go play the young guys.
2:14:46
There's, there's some younger this, this 25 class is amazing.
2:14:52
You know, I've, I've had it on record.
2:14:54
I damn, they got everything I wanted for Christmas.
2:14:57
You know, I got, I got the Loach, I got, you know, out and
2:15:02
going to Penn State was the only thing that I didn't get on my
2:15:04
wish list. But my number one thing on my
2:15:06
card was Jeffrey Overton, junior and Lord, you know, you know, I
2:15:11
had to ask the kid how he was doing and, you know, he said
2:15:13
little Jeff was out there acting up doing bowl practices.
2:15:17
So I'm excited about him. So yeah, I think they're going
2:15:21
to have to play those young kids and, and just let let the tips
2:15:25
fall where they may. They're going to either love it
2:15:26
here or want to stay here. But you're going to have to play
2:15:29
them because we saw every time we saw a young kid play last
2:15:32
year, they showed out. They showed out.
2:15:34
And let's talk about how all all these fucking ranking systems
2:15:40
punished Overton for for what was going on with Pops, because
2:15:46
that was a fucked up situation. Not even his dad or his uncle.
2:15:49
I was confused as the article. I, I don't give a damn what it
2:15:52
was. I I am not the only person in
2:15:56
this rating system thing that I'm in love with is Kobe
2:16:01
Crawford. Everybody else I'm not really a
2:16:04
fan of because I watched it happen to Jeffrey Overton
2:16:08
Junior, I watched it happen to Chance Wiggins.
2:16:12
I watched it happen to Garage Johnson.
2:16:15
Allen Adams. Hey man, I don't, you know.
2:16:17
Yeah. Hey, you happen.
2:16:19
Hey. We like the Matthews, Michael.
2:16:21
Mad Brett. Platterball.
2:16:23
I seen kids drop just because they came here, not because they
2:16:26
couldn't and it would be like they didn't even do nothing on
2:16:28
the field. But for Jeff to be down 3334 in
2:16:33
the state, I'm telling you, I'm, I'm selfish.
2:16:36
I was glad he was down there so folks who could forget about
2:16:39
him. So when we got him, they would
2:16:41
stop forgetting about, But he was probably, he's a top 3-4
2:16:44
player in the state of Virginia hands down.
2:16:47
Absolutely. That dude, That dude right there
2:16:50
alone, I can say it. He's the only kid that kept my
2:16:53
kid from being a Gatorade player of the year.
2:16:56
He was the only kid to stop my kid from being Gatorade player
2:16:59
of the year. That's how good Jeff is.
2:17:01
That's how amazing. Record-breaking receiver.
2:17:04
Come on, man. Keenan Adams, right, 22 state
2:17:07
records and Jeffrey Olmans is the tag on Gatorade Player.
2:17:09
Of the year, that's how good. Jeff is Jeff is a monster, man.
2:17:13
Jeff is a monster. Hey, so let let's talk about
2:17:17
because we talked a little bit about like the shuffling and and
2:17:20
we talked about a little bit on defense.
2:17:22
Is there some shuffling that could happen on the offensive
2:17:24
side of the ball from a coaching standpoint?
2:17:26
And what would that look like? I don't.
2:17:28
I don't. Well, I think you made your
2:17:30
biggest move when you got the old line coach, I think.
2:17:33
I think the one thing is tight ends, I like them.
2:17:37
I love keeping Brent Davis on the on the set.
2:17:39
I love him. I think getting Stu to just
2:17:44
focus on special teams because there was a point in time of
2:17:47
season Stu was not my best friend during the season.
2:17:50
I was I was really upset when I was really upset with Coach
2:17:53
Hope. I'll be honest with you.
2:17:57
Come on. Champ, I mean, there was a game
2:17:59
that I can name in every game there was a problem.
2:18:02
You know, we don't want to go back to 00, you know what I'm
2:18:05
saying? We don't want to talk about
2:18:06
getting a black punt against Marshall.
2:18:08
We want to talk about having 2 numbers the same again and not
2:18:11
getting called for it. Come on man.
2:18:12
Miami. Hey, but that's my dog.
2:18:14
I love Sue, but hey, Sue was on Sue was on the fence, but you
2:18:18
know, Sue did some things to make make things come back, you
2:18:21
know, just keep. Yeah, that that, that that block
2:18:23
kick for a touchdown in the Clemson game was pretty crazy.
2:18:26
And he got away with, he got away with a lot of murder
2:18:29
because of that. I mean.
2:18:31
He's always had all all all world kicker, punter and return.
2:18:35
I mean, I mean still. He develops his his specialist.
2:18:38
I'll give. Him that I mean he develops.
2:18:40
It and you see everything happen.
2:18:41
I think the question goes is if Brent, David, because you said
2:18:46
coach Davis at tight end, Chris. I like him now.
2:18:50
Because remember now NCAA's blowing the fuck up.
2:18:52
It's not the way we grew up with it in all of us.
2:18:55
I know we I'm we're all in this same about 10 years span.
2:18:59
Maddie, I know you're in your mid 30s, so we're all in this
2:19:03
about 10 years span. Is if.
2:19:05
Stu Holt literally gets named special teams coordinator.
2:19:09
He could be special teams coordinator but never go on the
2:19:12
road as a one of the 11. You all know that, right?
2:19:17
Right, OK. You know that like he could be
2:19:19
the special teams coordinator but but not be assigned to one
2:19:22
of the guys who goes on the road.
2:19:24
That shit can happen nowadays. Like you can have an offensive,
2:19:27
a defensive coordinator and then never go on the road to be a
2:19:31
recruiter. Yeah.
2:19:33
OK. Like because, because vice
2:19:35
versa. Everything is shaped now in the
2:19:38
NCAA. You don't have to have yet a
2:19:40
doors open back there. If y'all didn't notice, you see
2:19:43
my hats. It's all good.
2:19:45
OK, Speaking of backgrounds, I have to address this before it
2:19:47
bursts out of my chest like an alien.
2:19:50
Matty B, you have more Ghostbuster like memorabilia in
2:19:55
your background than anyone I've ever seen and I fucking love it
2:19:58
because I love Ghostbusters more than fucking anything.
2:20:01
The first Ghostbusters I think is probably my favorite film of
2:20:05
all time. It's, it's mine as well.
2:20:07
And yes, I, it is a, it is a thing.
2:20:11
Once I made it up, I grew up poor.
2:20:13
I grew up in Blacksburg, VA. I mean, we, I grew up in a
2:20:16
trailer park by Ramble Ridge Rd. I don't know if you guys know
2:20:19
where that is in black by the airfield.
2:20:22
But before those townhouses were, there was a trailer park.
2:20:24
And so I was poor. So the second I got enough
2:20:27
money, I decided I was going to make my own thing.
2:20:29
So I built my own Proton pack. I have my, my flight suit back
2:20:33
there and I use that. I go out, we raise money.
2:20:37
Last year we did about $25,000 for the for the kids.
2:20:41
So yeah, Ghostbusters is a big thing for me, so thank you for
2:20:44
nothing. Fuck yeah, man.
2:20:45
Yeah, dude. Come on, man.
2:20:47
Hey. We're talking about position
2:20:49
shuffling maybe? Tim, that is my palace, also
2:20:54
known as my man cave. Witness.
2:20:57
Witness. Yeah, also I have the picture of
2:21:00
me in the background. Good thing we're not past
2:21:02
January 20th. There might be a drone strike
2:21:04
coming in. That's.
2:21:05
Right. Yeah, Dan, what you got?
2:21:08
Quarterback Coach. Question mark, question mark.
2:21:11
Hey, you know, you know, we we had addressed that a little bit
2:21:15
on here. We had talked about all right,
2:21:17
so if we're if we're if we're shuffling offensive side of the
2:21:20
ball, are you shuffling Bowen back to tight ends and are you
2:21:24
bringing in a QB coach? If you're if you're making Stew
2:21:27
Holtz, your full time special teams coordinator, taking a
2:21:30
position group away from him? Is that what you do?
2:21:33
I think I know what Chris is going to say and Chris is going
2:21:35
to say I don't want a tight end coach calling plays.
2:21:39
I want my OC focus on the offense, OK?
2:21:43
That's what I want my OC doing. But you have a quarterback
2:21:47
coach. You have one.
2:21:51
Brian Crist is your quarterback coach.
2:21:53
And and if anyone doubts that Brian Crist can coach
2:21:56
quarterbacks, his son plays at West Virginia.
2:21:58
Ham and. Sidney, baby.
2:21:59
Yeah, he's spotless. Baby.
2:22:00
You know what I'm saying? So let's let's let's get that
2:22:03
out the way. I, I just think the, the kid
2:22:09
said something that that the staff is going to have to do and
2:22:13
it's going to be across the board.
2:22:17
You're going to have to kick somebody.
2:22:19
You got to cuss somebody out. We've got this culture we want
2:22:23
this is home. But I, I don't know about y'all,
2:22:25
I got cussed out of my home as a kid.
2:22:28
I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I did not love my
2:22:30
parents any less than, you know, anybody else that's going to
2:22:34
they're going to have to turn the heat up in some areas to
2:22:37
challenge some kids and be able to do some certain things and
2:22:41
they and they going to have to grow up and man up on some on
2:22:43
certain things that make things happen.
2:22:45
So Brian, Chris is your quarterback coach.
2:22:48
I do want I I want, I want Brent Davis in the building.
2:22:51
I love what he brings, especially with the run game and
2:22:53
the different things we can throw into the run game.
2:22:56
I want my OC focusing on the the one thing, the one thing Bowen
2:23:02
said to me in a recruiting, he said, I'm going to get you to
2:23:05
rock and I just need him to get guys to rock.
2:23:08
But I believe if you can protect it, and I, I think I said this
2:23:11
to Dan, if you can protect it, then you can run it.
2:23:14
And if you can run it, then you can play action it.
2:23:16
And if you can play action it, you get one-on-one coverage.
2:23:19
If you get one-on-one coverage, we win.
2:23:24
That's it. This is why.
2:23:25
This is why. This is why Matt Moore is
2:23:27
pivotal. Yep.
2:23:29
Yes, yes. I mean, if you can do that, if
2:23:32
you. Can if that's the higher that
2:23:34
that hits, then that's going to change the trajectory of what
2:23:38
this. Program but but but hold on real
2:23:41
quick. Every single person in here
2:23:43
Brian Siegler is Matt Moore big nut hire.
2:23:46
Yeah. Oh yeah.
2:23:48
Jeremy, Big nut hire. Yes.
2:23:51
Chris. I'll throw it on the table.
2:23:54
Dan. Massive nuts.
2:23:57
Maddie. No.
2:23:59
I I but no. No, give it to me, Maddie.
2:24:03
No, let it be sad. Give it to me.
2:24:04
Maddie, go ahead. I'm not saying no because he's
2:24:07
terrible. I'm not saying no because he's a
2:24:09
bad hire. I'm saying no, because how great
2:24:12
did West Virginia do last year? West Virginia The only thing
2:24:15
good about that offense was that offensive line that.
2:24:18
Offensive. Line OK, OK, well, that's fine.
2:24:20
All I'm saying is it's not like we're bringing in Alabama's
2:24:24
online coach. We're not bringing it.
2:24:26
You know, I always, I always take it as a win.
2:24:29
Anytime we can take anything from West Virginia, that's a win
2:24:31
to me. I, I love that, but I don't know
2:24:35
that. It's like, I don't know, I'm not
2:24:36
swinging my nuts on it. I'm not going to the bar and,
2:24:39
and being like, oh, we just signed Matt.
2:24:41
More like nobody even knows who that guy is outside of that
2:24:44
region. Like, I don't know, I, I, we'll
2:24:46
see. We'll see what it is.
2:24:48
You can find me at PK's. Hey, the only other guy would
2:24:53
have taken over Matt Moore was Marcus Johnson.
2:24:55
As as far as guys that are available and reasonable in
2:24:57
terms of where we are as a program, right?
2:25:00
I you talk about Alabama, we're we're not going to go and eat
2:25:03
nuts off Alabama State. I just say you got to show
2:25:05
something to me at this point. I I get that point.
2:25:07
I'm saying of the guys that were going to be available, Matt
2:25:11
Moore and Marcus Johnson were one A1B and we got.
2:25:13
One A1. BI don't think our offensive
2:25:15
line was that bad last year besides #70 Parker Clements, to
2:25:19
be honest with you, I think if that right edge is is secure, I
2:25:23
don't think it's that terrible. Look at the pass pro outside of
2:25:25
Chaplain and Moore. Outside of Chaplain and Moore,
2:25:28
yeah man, I know new. I mean, we'll see.
2:25:32
We'll see how much of that's coaching, how much of that's
2:25:33
athletes. I, I'm OK with the hire.
2:25:35
I'm good with it. I'm pass Pro is a problem, man.
2:25:38
I'm not right with such a fucking problem.
2:25:40
Now if if we if we're just talking about can we run the
2:25:43
football? We did an OK job running the
2:25:44
football. Now Sheldon's going to bring up
2:25:46
the point that yards before contact was still.
2:25:49
Pretty bad. When you have basial toot and
2:25:55
breaking a ton of fucking tackles that makes your
2:25:57
offensive line look a whole lot better.
2:25:58
And if he can break a tackle that gets him to the second
2:26:00
level, he is deadly. I mean, we looked at, we saw a
2:26:07
lot of his big runs. Once he got to the second level,
2:26:10
once a linebacker had to try to hit him and he was bouncing on,
2:26:14
he was gone. Yeah, they didn't want, they
2:26:18
didn't want to fight with him. So like I said, if you get this
2:26:21
offensive line to be a better, just better athletes and better
2:26:24
coach, and then you turn around and you got guys, you know, not
2:26:28
getting hit 4 yards, they're down the field and going there,
2:26:31
that just changes the whole dynamic of the offense you get.
2:26:33
To the second level without getting contacted first, you get
2:26:37
a guy to the second level without getting contacted,
2:26:39
versus you have to get contacted and then breaking it.
2:26:41
That's when you're going to get into something.
2:26:43
Well, here's the word as as much as you want to say West Virginia
2:26:48
ran for more yards than we did last year.
2:26:50
They gave up less sacks than we did last year.
2:26:53
And if you look at the development between Colt
2:26:56
Mckibbix, Zach Frazier, I am so fucking pissed.
2:27:00
And 49ers did not take Zach Frazier last year in the fucking
2:27:03
draft because that dude, you see him up at Pittsburgh as a
2:27:06
rookie, he is fucking elite. He is an elite fucking center.
2:27:11
He was under Matt Moore all four of his years at West Virginia.
2:27:14
That's that's when. I started looking.
2:27:17
He had what, 3 All Americans? Mckibbich was the second team
2:27:20
All American. When you start seeing that many
2:27:22
guys become good, it's like, no, not going to run.
2:27:28
Oh, we can. We can knock Ron A.
2:27:29
Little no, no, you're not going to run.
2:27:31
Well, no, no, no. Somebody already buried Tally,
2:27:33
buried Ron earlier. So.
2:27:36
But when you're talking about a team.
2:27:38
So now we're pissing on his grave a little bit.
2:27:40
Sorry about that. We have to have our scabies.
2:27:43
That's how we live, guys, and. It's how we live in society.
2:27:48
Yeah, but. But either way, they ran for
2:27:51
more yards. They gave up less sacks than us.
2:27:55
As you start looking at that, it's like why did they do that?
2:27:59
Because they did not. Go look at who they had.
2:28:02
They did not have the running back to capabilities of Basil 2.
2:28:06
They did not. Have.
2:28:08
That's the. Scary part is he went for 1100
2:28:12
with the low average offensive line blocking.
2:28:16
And if you're in a year before, yeah.
2:28:19
Did you look at the year before with CJ Johnson?
2:28:21
Yeah, with CJ Donaldson the year before, yeah.
2:28:25
CJ Donaldson was amazing, you know.
2:28:29
Yeah, I tweeted. I was like, if you can get like
2:28:33
create those holes, Terry and Stewart is 220 lbs, you get him
2:28:38
running downhill. Second level brother.
2:28:41
I don't know if any DBS going to be able to take him down.
2:28:44
That's true, but but damn what he don't have and Brian pointed
2:28:47
out when he went here he don't have turbo, no.
2:28:50
He ain't got. It in there, but we got people
2:28:53
for that. He doesn't have the last year
2:28:55
that that Tooten had. Like Tooten could beat that guy,
2:28:58
and then he could be, yeah. Basil was very special.
2:29:02
Yeah, he is special and I'm so glad he got 1000.
2:29:06
Yeah, so glad he got 1000 yards. Yeah, somebody.
2:29:09
Yeah, somebody going to mess around and get him in the fifth
2:29:11
round and be like, Oh my God, we didn't even know who this guy
2:29:13
was. I hope it's Sean Payton.
2:29:15
I'm man. Oh God, nevermind.
2:29:16
We're not going. To get shit.
2:29:17
Man, we're not going. We're not, we're not going.
2:29:19
We're not going to Sean Payton. Fucking fucking Caleb Williams
2:29:22
put a better number up than Bo next put Caleb Williams on
2:29:25
Denver. Y'all be like 15 and one.
2:29:27
I, I feel like we're always going to get good running backs.
2:29:29
We're historically a good running back program.
2:29:31
It's like, that's why I always feel like we should always have
2:29:33
good DBS and that doesn't always work out, but we have great
2:29:38
running backs out of Virginia Tech.
2:29:41
You know I mean. It's not really surprising to me
2:29:43
that that he was able to to come.
2:29:45
He he's maybe since I don't know what's it maybe David Wilson.
2:29:49
He's probably the best running back since.
2:29:51
Then. Herbert.
2:29:52
Herbert. Oh yeah.
2:29:52
Lil Harbert. But he had to have Harvard,
2:29:54
Khalil and. Between Khalil and Dave that it
2:29:56
was only Kavion McMillan that went for 1000 plus.
2:29:59
But yeah, the time you were there, Brian, Jeremy, Dan, that
2:30:06
fucking 99 to like 2006 G or 2011.
2:30:13
Jesus fucking Christ. What a we were RBU for that
2:30:16
period of time. Yeah, we.
2:30:20
Were RBU, we were fucking DBU. We were a lot of use during.
2:30:24
That time period we were just. Fucking pumping it out.
2:30:27
Yeah, it. Was.
2:30:29
It was, it was so fucking good back.
2:30:31
There and we didn't even get the full Brandon Orr experience.
2:30:34
I mean, it could have been. It was one of those things where
2:30:38
it was, it was cool to come to Virginia Tech because we were
2:30:40
this hot new team that was just like, we had cool uniforms.
2:30:45
We were, we were it then and then, you know, it was played.
2:30:50
As a nasty brand of football, which was dead, the guys that
2:30:55
weren't going to those flashy programs or that got overlooked
2:30:59
by those flashy programs. I honestly, you, Corey Moores,
2:31:02
I'm gonna go here and play four years and I'm gonna kick your
2:31:05
ass every fucking year. I honestly think Corey Moore and
2:31:08
the way he presented himself and did the, you know what, the
2:31:12
Terror Dome, the entire fucking thing, I think that did so much
2:31:17
for us as far as our environment, as far as our
2:31:20
pride, as far as our culture. And I wouldn't say on the level
2:31:25
of like what Mike Vick did, but I think that is a close second.
2:31:29
Just his mentality, just his presentation.
2:31:33
I think that did a lot for our brand.
2:31:37
I think we're like, you know, Cornell Brown and take, you
2:31:39
know, Dwight did before that even like the the way the brand
2:31:45
got built on knocking the piss out of you just to knock the
2:31:51
piss out of you. Yeah, yeah, Barry.
2:31:53
Yeah. Guys who?
2:31:54
Yeah, guys who lay the hammer, I think.
2:31:56
But I think you got you got some young guys who?
2:31:58
Who who see it that way? You know, the Caleb Wilson sees
2:32:01
it that way. You know, he wants to hit you,
2:32:04
you know, and the cute reticence, they want to hit you.
2:32:07
You know, the Dante Lovitz are going to be physical.
2:32:09
They're going to be nasty with you.
2:32:10
So I think that I think that's coming back.
2:32:12
I think that. Kid, we just brought in Isaiah
2:32:14
Cash. That motherfucker hits dude.
2:32:16
Yeah, so I guess, but. He's but I got to be honest with
2:32:19
the guys. I've seen some of these social
2:32:20
media pictures, Soft eyes, I don't know, soft eyes.
2:32:24
He looks like he looks like he listens to a lot of Drake, a lot
2:32:27
of Drake, a lot of Drake. You can tell this.
2:32:35
Is that guy a lot of that's not a.
2:32:37
Beast not like us. Not like us.
2:32:41
Another guy used to lay the wood.
2:32:42
Michael Strahan's a giant teddy bear, and he was a killer.
2:32:47
But I'm thinking about like Virginia Tech identity too.
2:32:50
You guys brought some great names.
2:32:51
But like we need like a Sam Rogers back.
2:32:54
Like someone like that, like a Sam Rogers, just chip on your
2:32:57
shoulder. Always overlooked.
2:32:59
I'm going to go out there and make a damn play type of kid
2:33:02
like Sam Rogers was that for tech for a long time.
2:33:05
And. Those kids make the difference
2:33:07
in a ball game. Yeah, and we used to, we used to
2:33:10
eat on those 2 1/2 three star kids and we used to develop them
2:33:14
and turn them into monsters. That doesn't mean you always go
2:33:16
to the NFL, but if Sam Rogers walks into Blacksburg, that man
2:33:20
does not buy drinks. I can tell you that he is a
2:33:23
legend where he's from. But but that's going to happen
2:33:26
now because what we have to look back is where we are now as a
2:33:29
society with the NCAA. It's not going to be Sam Rogers
2:33:33
coming out as a walk on getting the scholar.
2:33:36
Literally getting the Sam Rogers and Cody Grimm days are are.
2:33:40
Behind us or they're over, but what's going to happen is APR
2:33:44
and facial tuning days there. You go look.
2:33:46
At throat after after the poor, they're not any good.
2:33:49
They're not good players. Florida shitting on fucking APR.
2:33:53
He comes up 16 1/2 fucking sacks this year.
2:33:56
He was second in the nation. And if you look at his sack
2:33:59
compared to the guy, BC he were more impressive, more impressive
2:34:03
that game. He feasted on them.
2:34:06
He didn't do shit to us. But if you start looking, that's
2:34:09
what it's going to be. It's going to be names.
2:34:10
And I'm looking at the portal like Rimac and Priester and
2:34:13
Brown Murray. That's what it's going to be.
2:34:16
Now, Maddie, that's what it's going to be guys.
2:34:19
It's not going to be those two and three star guys.
2:34:21
It's going to be the guy like Shrub Coble who went down to
2:34:25
Clemson and he said he's not good enough to make it here.
2:34:28
He's going to come up and play free safety and be the fucking
2:34:31
dog and he's going to fucking intercept 6 passes.
2:34:34
He's going to knock somebody out of a game.
2:34:36
That's the new, that's the new what it is the Juco's two
2:34:39
because what we said earlier and I can't remember who it was
2:34:42
because I'm I'm a few drinks deep now.
2:34:45
Yeah, we got. But who said like the the the
2:34:49
kids? If you aren't an elite stuff
2:34:50
coming out of high school now, what's your best bet?
2:34:53
Go to JUCO for two. Years.
2:34:55
JUCO. JUCO.
2:34:56
For a couple years, get bigger, get stronger, and then go
2:34:59
elsewhere. It is a changing landscape of
2:35:02
college football and we see that as well with the College
2:35:05
Football Playoff. And I know so many people had
2:35:08
their fucking opinions about OSM.
2:35:11
You shouldn't have been there and so and so shouldn't have
2:35:12
been there. That's fucking.
2:35:15
Great. Hey, hey, no.
2:35:17
No, no, me and me and Josh, we agree on some things.
2:35:20
We agreed that he agreed that they should be there.
2:35:23
What he's trying to say is it they shouldn't be there because,
2:35:26
well, this and that and the other.
2:35:28
But we'll, we'll leave that as it is.
2:35:30
I mean, at some point they're they're just going to get to the
2:35:32
point where whoever's got the best rosters going to make the
2:35:34
playoff. And fuck that shit, because if
2:35:37
that's the case then we're basically in the playoffs this
2:35:39
year. Like just being a good team
2:35:41
doesn't earn you a right. You still got to go out there
2:35:43
and win football, Win fucking games.
2:35:45
Winning games matters. You've got to be punished and,
2:35:49
you know, get given your props for the games you win and lose.
2:35:52
Not just how good did you build your team.
2:35:54
This isn't this isn't fucking Madden simulation.
2:35:57
Like, you got to go out there and win the game.
2:35:59
And I give you guys a scenario and it's OK if you roast me,
2:36:03
I'll take it. I'll take it 100%.
2:36:07
Is Virginia Tech's best route to the playoff to leave the ACC, go
2:36:12
back to Group of Five and take the Boise State route.
2:36:15
No. Or try to make it through the
2:36:18
ACC. No, A coming through the ACC
2:36:21
because what's going to happen is every year there's going to
2:36:23
be this and this year was 4 Big 10 teams.
2:36:27
Next year it's going to be 4 SEC teams, three Big 10 teams.
2:36:32
ACC is probably going to get 2IN likely every year because I
2:36:38
think the Big 12, because they had their biggest brands leave
2:36:42
that foot fucks them, their biggest brands fucking left and
2:36:46
right. Now with the ACC, if you can go
2:36:47
in the ACC championship game at 10 or 11 wins, win or lose,
2:36:52
you're in, you're in. You saw, by the way, SMU, if
2:36:57
those motherfuckers just could catch a goddamn pass on the
2:37:00
fucking 1 yard line, and I saw that play.
2:37:02
Before I. Does that not change the game
2:37:06
though, Chris? It.
2:37:07
Does boy? Jenny through the day.
2:37:09
That motherfucker bothers it like he's.
2:37:11
Me. So let's talk about two things
2:37:12
on this. If if we're talking about
2:37:13
dropping down to to G5. So there's two things first.
2:37:18
First is conference money. 1st I got a piece out.
2:37:21
You got a piece out I. I love the germ.
2:37:24
We love you, love you all. Love you.
2:37:25
Brother, you didn't. Black out you.
2:37:29
Didn't black out give this time? You did it, Jerem.
2:37:32
He. He.
2:37:33
He's on the board, he's on the ACC board, so he had to leave
2:37:35
while we. That's right, that's right.
2:37:37
So 2 two things. Despite how shit ACC money is,
2:37:41
it's still better than any group of five money.
2:37:43
Yeah, I'm right. This.
2:37:44
Thing #2 is that we're not Boise State where we have to recruit
2:37:50
and how we have to recruit. We're going to need money to do
2:37:54
that, to be competitive. We're not in Boise where we can
2:37:58
use a national recruiting market and pick up the cast offs from
2:38:02
the power forward teams throughout the country.
2:38:04
We don't. We don't have that luxury.
2:38:05
We still got to recruit within our footprint and our footprint
2:38:08
is fucking saturated. Yeah, but what doesn't have a
2:38:11
lot to do with. I feel like our athletic
2:38:14
director is not a good money raiser.
2:38:15
I feel like he doesn't know how to put the screws to folks.
2:38:18
I I don't feel like he, he's, he's really getting the money.
2:38:22
I mean, what's our rich? I think he's a good accounting
2:38:24
man. I don't know if that's he's a
2:38:25
good well. Who's our Who's our richest
2:38:27
alumni? I.
2:38:28
Mean Robbins. And robotic.
2:38:30
Kids guy. Maybe they own.
2:38:31
The top they who Sangria has sold a company for $8.3 billion
2:38:36
he's. Rich for sure, But does he care
2:38:38
about football? That's what I'm saying.
2:38:40
He was on the sideline Johnny. Get the pitch up some money.
2:38:43
You know the hold. On I'm bad, don't educate me,
2:38:45
that's OK, that's OK. I can be wrong do.
2:38:48
You remember the guy on the sideline?
2:38:50
There was a guy screaming at the opposing team player.
2:38:54
Just think that I don't. Remember that?
2:38:55
Yeah. So that's him.
2:38:56
That was Mayhul. Mayhul's worth about $12
2:38:58
billion. He's a little more.
2:39:00
Mayhul carries very much cares very much about that, yeah.
2:39:04
If I had $12 billion, Virginia Tech would have every.
2:39:08
I mean he paid for the the the player lands.
2:39:11
There. Yeah, they would have proton
2:39:14
packs and lots of money. No, what I'm saying is if you
2:39:17
have $12 million, like how much does he give it?
2:39:19
It's OK to care and. Scrap, I mean, he paid for the
2:39:21
players lounge. So I mean, yeah, he pay, he's
2:39:22
he's paid a lot of money. He he's, he's put his money
2:39:26
where his mouth is and he continues more often than more
2:39:30
often than anybody else that I know.
2:39:31
As far as deep pockets are concerned.
2:39:34
You can, you can slander other billionaires out there that are
2:39:37
in the Virginia Tech sphere, but Mayhul is not one of them.
2:39:40
You cannot do. I'm not slandering any
2:39:42
billionaire. I'm broke, OK?
2:39:44
I'm a Ghostbuster, all right? It's a hard.
2:39:45
Job Hey, no, I'm just, I'm just saying if we're, if we're
2:39:47
talking about guys that aren't doing their part, Mayhul is not
2:39:50
one of those guys. Well, no, I was talking about
2:39:52
what Babcock not doing the spark is he selling how much money you
2:39:55
should give. I was just talking about.
2:39:57
The Oh yeah, I I definitely think wit is not a not as much
2:40:01
of A people person as you would maybe want on this, but he is a
2:40:04
finance guy so but. But but our two money.
2:40:07
I think, I think he stretches money better than we we we could
2:40:10
otherwise have, but I don't know if he's as good at bringing the
2:40:13
money in. For sure.
2:40:14
But if I'm account, if I'm an accounting guy, let's say I'm
2:40:16
not a sales guy, I'm an accounting guy, our two money
2:40:20
sports are in the hole. So if I'm accounting, no they're
2:40:22
not not the black. They're not.
2:40:25
So what's he doing? So first of all, no, no sport is
2:40:29
in the hole. The one thing Virginia Tech has
2:40:31
over anybody is we are pretty much any money that comes in can
2:40:36
be used. Well, look at Nebraska, go look
2:40:39
at Alabama, go look, they are they are in debt.
2:40:42
They are in debt. We are not in debt.
2:40:44
That is the. One thing again, sorry, let me
2:40:47
clarify before you. Make your point.
2:40:49
I'm not talking about money debt.
2:40:51
I'm talking about our team suck. So men's basketball.
2:40:54
So we our football team is 500. Our men's basketball program
2:40:57
sucks. Those are the two money sports.
2:41:00
If they don't do well, less money comes in.
2:41:03
So I'm not talking about. No, it doesn't.
2:41:05
That's the thing. Because the TV revenue is what
2:41:08
it is. We're getting $63 million
2:41:09
regardless. It doesn't matter.
2:41:11
What does matter? One factor of the money So TV.
2:41:16
That's the biggest factor of the money.
2:41:18
The the sales inside the stuff is like 8% now.
2:41:21
It's not what it was 30 years ago.
2:41:23
What about used to be? Literally if you couldn't sell
2:41:25
out your stadium 30 years ago, right?
2:41:27
If you couldn't sell out your your basketball, you were
2:41:30
fucked. It ain't that way no more.
2:41:32
There are teams out here who cannot.
2:41:34
UVA is the perfect fucking example.
2:41:37
They can't put 50% of their fucking people in the stands.
2:41:41
They get the exact same amount of money as we do from the.
2:41:44
ACC Can I tell you something funny?
2:41:47
UVA gets more in donations than we do, and yet we still outpace
2:41:50
them in. Total.
2:41:51
In total revenue and we also outpace them in wins on the
2:41:54
football field. But so the the problem that we
2:41:57
have is that so looking at NILI think the problem that people
2:42:01
will have with wit and NIL right now is that they're looking at
2:42:05
this gutted basketball NIL situation and how how that was
2:42:09
handled. And then looking at a six and
2:42:12
six football team and saying, what do we get for that
2:42:15
investment? And now we've got two teams that
2:42:18
are mid right. So that that's what they're
2:42:19
saying, is that we ended up allocating more money to
2:42:23
football, we hamstrung our basketball team and we don't
2:42:27
have anything else to show for it.
2:42:29
But that's what, so that's what I'm trying to get to I guess.
2:42:32
And maybe you can educate me. I can be completely wrong about
2:42:35
this, but having been in sales, being in business and just kind
2:42:39
of understanding how the world works, typically you look for an
2:42:42
ROI. So if I'm giving you a certain
2:42:45
amount of money, I'm expecting a certain product in return.
2:42:49
If that product is not being returned based on the money that
2:42:53
I'm spending, then that money shortens over time because the
2:42:56
product is not there. So that's, I guess that's what
2:43:00
I'm coming to when it comes to, it's not just the TV deal, it's
2:43:04
the NIO donors, it's the donors to the program.
2:43:07
It's saying, hey, well, we gave, we gave you guys 500,000 last
2:43:11
year and we got 500 as a record. Maybe I'm maybe we'll do 275
2:43:17
this year. Yeah.
2:43:19
And if you're talking long term, yeah, you're going to see
2:43:21
potential declines if you're if something doesn't change,
2:43:26
whether it's win loss record, whether it's staff changes that
2:43:30
change the trajectory of how you feel about this program long
2:43:35
term. So it's.
2:43:36
Still speculative. Right.
2:43:36
It's still speculative. We're still, we're still
2:43:38
speculating. We had this return this year,
2:43:41
We're speculating some additional return in the next
2:43:43
two to three years, right. So you still have to base it on
2:43:46
that kind of that kind. Of place, that should be our
2:43:49
overall Like if I'm with Babcock, that's my overall
2:43:52
message to everyone. If you come to Virginia Tech,
2:43:55
you're going to get a return on your investment as a kid, as a
2:43:58
player. If you donate to the program,
2:44:00
you're going to get a return on investment as a as a donor or as
2:44:03
an alumni. If you do ATV advertising deal,
2:44:06
whatever it might be. ROI should be our biggest goal
2:44:09
overall, and that's for kids and players and everybody.
2:44:13
If you donate your body to Virginia Tech, if you put it on
2:44:16
the line every day, you're going to get a return on investment.
2:44:19
If you donate your money as a local business, you're Scheeler
2:44:22
Motomile, you're going to get your return on investment
2:44:25
because we're going to have a culture that expects winning.
2:44:30
And it's not just we're going to get our TV deal and our revenue
2:44:33
deal and hopefully we'll get some nil and we'll transfer you
2:44:36
off to another school. I think ROI should be our new
2:44:39
slogan. So.
2:44:41
I'm, I'm not going to ask this and I'm not, I'm not trying to
2:44:43
like call you up on. On this, Chris was about to say
2:44:46
something. Because because I think, because
2:44:49
I think you, you expected a better ROI on your on your
2:44:52
investment this year, except for the goddamn quarterback got
2:44:56
hurt. Your ROI on your investment on
2:44:59
your football team is better if your quarterback doesn't get
2:45:01
hurt, if your own line doesn't, if your quarterback doesn't get
2:45:04
hurt, you win more games. We're sitting here already.
2:45:08
We're sitting here thinking where we played last weekend
2:45:11
because we would have an opportunity to do that.
2:45:13
We're only looking at the ROI because OK, we invested this
2:45:16
much in these because you because you had to pay guys and
2:45:19
you came back in 66 and it's like it was a down year on this
2:45:22
rate of return. They gave guys, gave guys money,
2:45:27
they paid guys more money to come back, Price said on y'all's
2:45:31
show. I had those guys come in and say
2:45:34
are you going to be a different player?
2:45:37
Some of them did, a lot of them didn't.
2:45:42
Some guys ticked up, some guys didn't, and the major guys that
2:45:47
you had to have tick up was the reason why you're ready to
2:45:50
return is down. If Kyron's healthy, your ROI is
2:45:53
better, right? Absolutely, if the.
2:45:55
If the offensive line, if the offensive line is is better
2:45:58
prepared and we get better, better coaching offensive line,
2:46:01
your ROI is better. You got less drops, your ROI is
2:46:05
better, right? You get better tackling.
2:46:07
You get better tackling in the secondary.
2:46:09
Your ROI is better. It is a long.
2:46:12
Let's get. It's like you can't.
2:46:14
It's going. To be look at it, because if you
2:46:16
look at it Maddie, for example, LSU this year, man, LSU budget
2:46:22
is about 3 times what Virginia Techs is.
2:46:25
Absolutely. They won 8 fucking games.
2:46:27
You tell me their donors don't want to fucking like Brian Kelly
2:46:30
on fire. You don't think backward.
2:46:33
You don't think backward of Billy tied, tied, of going
2:46:36
across the swamp and with them Gators and dropping off that ex.
2:46:38
Billy they pick on 75 them some of the.
2:46:41
Fuckers in the Middle East. Oklahoma.
2:46:43
Oklahoma is a good example too. Yeah, yeah.
2:46:45
Same thing. So you.
2:46:46
Look at it. It's going to be this waves.
2:46:48
And it's like, well, how do we figure this out?
2:46:50
Go, Brian. Well, I was just going to say.
2:46:53
So there's, there's two things #1 the house settlement thing is
2:46:57
going to take care of at least the first, the first wave of
2:47:02
this NIL situation once, once you start getting things
2:47:07
publicly available, that's going to be a big, big change to the
2:47:11
framework of how NIL is handled #2 I'm not trying to get
2:47:16
personal. Do you subscribe on like
2:47:19
Triumph? Do you have a Triumph
2:47:20
subscription? Do you do anything with that?
2:47:23
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
2:47:24
OK, OK. So, so, so you know, like there,
2:47:26
there are intrinsic benefits to supporting NIL outside of wins
2:47:33
and losses, right? So, OK, so we're talking about
2:47:36
two different levels here. So there is still incentive for
2:47:39
you to make that investment even if the wins and losses aren't
2:47:43
quite there, because you get a more personal experience with
2:47:46
the team that you care about, right?
2:47:48
Yeah, no, it helped me with my bachelor party like I talked.
2:47:50
About earlier, so, so that's what I'm saying.
2:47:51
So, so there are things like that, that I think Triumph is
2:47:54
doing well that that they're they are providing value outside
2:47:58
of necessarily the product on the field.
2:48:00
And as NIL matures, I think we're going to see Virginia Tech
2:48:05
being a lot better position long term from an NIL perspective.
2:48:09
Now whether that leads to wins and losses, I'm not sure, but I
2:48:12
think it's going to help that ROI that you're talking about.
2:48:15
Yeah, and I just, I just want everybody who comes to the
2:48:18
place, whether you're a player, a donor, a fan, whatever, you're
2:48:22
getting more than you put in. And maybe that's a lot to ask.
2:48:25
And but I think having a high expectation is good because if
2:48:29
you fall short, it's fine, but it's better than just being
2:48:31
complacent. Yeah.
2:48:33
I don't. I don't think we're being
2:48:34
complacent at all. I really don't.
2:48:36
I I don't no one's happy with six and six, whether in Merriman
2:48:40
or on this podcast, in anywhere in between.
2:48:43
Nobody, nobody said, but I don't think, I don't think they're
2:48:45
being complacent. I think, I think they're, I
2:48:47
think they're moving forward. What they had to do this year in
2:48:51
the portal, I think they definitely needed to do.
2:48:54
And I, I think, you know, I think, you know, we're going to
2:48:57
get, we're going to get those kids.
2:49:00
We, we're just going to get some more kids, man, that want to
2:49:02
come here and, and like you say, play with that chip on their
2:49:05
shoulder. Hey, I've been overlooked, You
2:49:07
know, you know, you, you got to look like a lot of those 24
2:49:11
kids, 23 and 24 kids and 25 kids.
2:49:13
They don't know nothing about losing.
2:49:16
They don't, they don't understand losing.
2:49:18
A lot of them, a lot of them have won, been played in state
2:49:22
championship, played in long time football games.
2:49:24
And I always go back to the point, man, they built this
2:49:27
thing from the ground up. This there was nothing here to
2:49:30
build on yeah, what I think they had like 20 running backs on
2:49:34
this on this roster and like 20 I.
2:49:38
Think it was only 14. I think it was only 14. 14,
2:49:40
yeah. Way too fucking many.
2:49:43
Yeah, way too many, you know, I mean, I remember watching, you
2:49:46
know, looking like, who is this Brumster kid?
2:49:48
I don't even what what is? I mean, they didn't have a lot.
2:49:51
So I know, hey, this is Virginia Tech and the uniforms and
2:49:55
saying, man, they didn't have a lot to build on.
2:49:57
So yeah, with this year disappointing absolutely.
2:50:00
But I just think, and I, and I told, I told, I told Dan this,
2:50:06
yeah, we're disappointed with 24, but I think we're going to
2:50:07
be even better in 25. And I'm, I'm just really all in
2:50:11
on that. I think we're going to be so
2:50:12
much better in 25 and, and, and and that'll, and that'll,
2:50:16
that'll be like in 26. We'll be I just think this 25
2:50:19
class is 26 class and the better coaching in some different areas
2:50:23
is going to help us out a lot. Well, the whole thing is you've
2:50:26
got to constantly improve and the whole thing and, and, and if
2:50:30
you look at the retrospective of the history of Virginia Tech is
2:50:32
everybody always talks about, well, Frank, Frank, Frank.
2:50:37
If you look at, and I know this is 32 years ago, which it
2:50:41
doesn't feel that way to me because I'm going to be 42 next
2:50:45
year, 42 next year, but 92 was the biggest year and people
2:50:51
always look what happened in 92. Frank made some big ass changes
2:50:55
to the in the one thing and we go through and then that staff
2:51:00
stayed together a while and then early 2000 some big changes
2:51:03
happened and that staff stayed together a while and then
2:51:07
basically 2012 happened and and, but by that time Frank was in
2:51:11
his 60s, so. Yeah, and he was a legend by
2:51:13
then. He.
2:51:14
Was a legend he'd take. He'd won ACC, he'd won the Big
2:51:17
East, he'd beat Miami Multiply, he'd beat Texas, he'd beat
2:51:19
Alabama. He went to the national
2:51:21
championship game. So you have to change and again,
2:51:25
I go back to what we talked about damn near three hours ago
2:51:28
because we almost three hours. Everybody looking at the left
2:51:31
corner, Brett Pry came in and he said he gave it three years,
2:51:36
which is legitimate what you should give a staff.
2:51:38
And he said it's not good enough.
2:51:41
I'm going to let this guy go, this guy go and this guy go
2:51:45
because it's not good enough. What happened in 2020 and I know
2:51:50
your son Chris was being recruited at that time is we we
2:51:54
did not have a good season. Maddie, you're watching games,
2:51:56
you saw 2019. Nothing changed, right?
2:51:59
We were sitting here. It's like this isn't good
2:52:01
enough. Nothing fucking changed.
2:52:03
And I don't know what would have happened if some changed.
2:52:06
I don't, I really do not know what would have happened years
2:52:11
ago. Bridges got burned.
2:52:12
Yep, Jim's right. Bridges did get burned.
2:52:15
We don't know. But somehow that team went six
2:52:17
and six in 2021. Somehow, somehow that team went
2:52:24
6:00 and 6:00. But when you don't choose to
2:52:27
make changes in anything because you talk about ROI, man, and
2:52:31
that's right, you've got how do you do all right?
2:52:33
How do you get better? You've got to make changes
2:52:35
because if you ain't hitting the expectations, you better start
2:52:38
fucking letting people go. You better start doing things
2:52:40
different. You better start firing people,
2:52:42
you better start adjusting. And that's what happened this
2:52:45
year, because the expectation this year was I was stupid.
2:52:50
Maybe I said eleven wins, y'all. But Chris, how close were we to
2:52:54
eleven wins? Y'all watch how close?
2:52:57
Oh, everybody says, Chris, you're a moron.
2:53:00
You said eleven wins. And I say, y'all, look at the
2:53:02
fucking scores. Yep, we were.
2:53:05
We weren't. Far from it.
2:53:06
It ain't like we were sitting down here getting our asses
2:53:08
thrashed. Now we wouldn't get, we wouldn't
2:53:10
no, we would get, we were, we were, we were pissed because of
2:53:13
like, oh, we make a play here, we make a play there.
2:53:15
We win this game. We win this game.
2:53:17
Hey, we get a flag here. We get, I'm just being honest
2:53:19
with you. There were games that yeah, we,
2:53:21
we, we just should have won. You're somehow closer to 11 than
2:53:25
you are to four, despite. Absolutely 6.
2:53:27
Games and it looks like maybe this sounds silly, but it's like
2:53:32
we lost half of our games. We.
2:53:35
Lost. That's them.
2:53:36
Yeah, we. Lost half our games, yeah.
2:53:38
We didn't get beat half our games.
2:53:40
Yeah, we we lost half our games. Yeah, we just, we, we, no, we,
2:53:43
we did get beat by Clemson. But yeah, you're right, they
2:53:45
did. That's only, Yeah, a whole lot
2:53:47
more talent. But but but but but.
2:53:50
You can't you can't give up talent and also get out coached
2:53:53
in a game and. That that's what happened in
2:53:55
Clemson. I mean, just being honest, you
2:53:56
got out coached. While.
2:53:57
Giving up talent. That's a That's a hard thing.
2:54:01
It's. Hard enough to overcome.
2:54:02
Talent to run the ball four times.
2:54:04
When you aren't. Getting out that that, that,
2:54:07
that was the only, that was the only game this year that the
2:54:10
Clemson game was the only game that made me think it was 2023.
2:54:14
Every other game I thought we were a better football team than
2:54:15
23 team. Yeah, we should.
2:54:18
I love that. Chris Yeah, anything anybody
2:54:20
want out because as we we go on three hours here, I'm about to
2:54:25
wrap this up because this is the state of the program and where
2:54:28
we are right now is believe it or not, I think from where we
2:54:32
were a year ago, we thought we were going to do big things this
2:54:36
year. We didn't it sucked.
2:54:39
We didn't we're going to do big things this year.
2:54:42
But we start looking back and where we were at 2020 and 2021
2:54:46
and 22 that long ago in every, and I just keep saying this
2:54:53
every game this year, every game we were in it.
2:54:57
There was no game that Brian, Curtis, Maddie, Chris, you were
2:55:01
there for all of them. So we can't say you couldn't
2:55:03
leave, because if you left, you'd be in trouble with.
2:55:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I didn't try to do that.
2:55:09
And there were no game this year.
2:55:11
We turned off that, said we. First half of Andy was the only
2:55:15
time we were ever out of it. First half of Andy was the only
2:55:18
time we were out. But what happened?
2:55:20
If you watch the second, I know goddamn lead.
2:55:23
Yeah, we first half of Andy was the only time we looked lost all
2:55:26
season. We looked lost.
2:55:28
We got it back though. There were there were 12 games
2:55:31
this year. And it wasn't like. 2022 where
2:55:34
there was a couple games in 20/22 it was just like I'm going
2:55:39
2023. This team is not even
2:55:41
competitive. We never. 2023 Louisville, 2023
2:55:45
Louisville, every single one of us turn that fucking game off
2:55:50
because they fucking beat the shit out of us.
2:55:53
Yeah, I ain't looking at this no more.
2:55:55
I'll catch the highlights so I can do some notes and talk about
2:55:58
it on. Tuesday night.
2:55:59
That's true. I ain't watching this no more.
2:56:01
Because I'm going to watch this double time.
2:56:03
That's the only. Way you're watching it.
2:56:04
Fucking game. Double time, no commercials.
2:56:07
That's the only. One every game we could have
2:56:08
won. The question is, with what Brent
2:56:11
Pride did, do we take the step in a year from tonight, a year
2:56:16
from the night? Is it different or is it y'all
2:56:21
you got to go? But anyways, I'm going to wrap
2:56:24
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