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Episode 311 | Rewriting Your Money Story with Morgana Rae · Wealthy Woman Lawyer Podcast, Helping you create a profitable, sustainable law firm you love

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  Intro: Welcome to the wealthy woman lawyer podcast. What
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  you could hang out with successful women lawyers, ask them about growing their firms, managing resources like time, team, and systems, mastering money issues, and more? Then take an insight or two to help you build a wealth generating law firm. Each week, your host, Devina Frederick, takes an in-depth look at how to think like a CEO, attract clients who you love to serve and will pay you on time, and create a profitable, sustainable firm you love. Devina is founder and CEO of Wealthy Woman Lawyer, and her goal is to give you the information you need to scale your law firm business from 6 to 7 figures in gross annual revenue so you can fully fund and still have time to enjoy the lifestyle of your dreams. Now here's Devina.
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  Davina: Hello, and welcome back to the Wealthy Woman Lawyer podcast. I'm your host attorney Devina Frederick, and my guest today is Morgana Ray. Morgana is the 20 time number one international best selling author of Financial Alchemy, Twelve Months of Magic and Manifestation. She has been a 7 figure spiritual life and business coach for over thirty years. Morgana has guided tens of thousands of entrepreneurs, artists, healers, and humanitarians to heal the rift between heart, spirit, and money to save the world as only they can.
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  Morgana's groundbreaking approach to attracting money like a lover has featured her on all the major television networks, United Press International, Yahoo Finance, The Wall Street Journal, and hundreds of others. She's the money manifestation expert on coast to coast radio. As a thought leader on the topics of wealth and relationships, she's been a featured expert on stages with Deepak Chopra, Ariana Huffington, Bob Proctor, and many others. Morgana's fans call her the money goddess because of the many documented stories of clients making unexpected income of $5.06, and even 7 figures within hours of changing their relationship with money. Cumulatively, her clients have made hundreds of millions of dollars.
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  Morgana's financial alchemy books, recordings, magazine articles, and classes have impacted the lives of hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. Hi Morgana, it's so good to have you here today. You're in sunny California.
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  Morgana: Yes and it is a really nice sunny day here. We're lucky. Oh
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  Davina: good. It's sunny here in Colorado but it's hot sunny. So like a 100 degrees, which is kind of, yeah, kinda crazy. So it's good to have you here today. I have so many questions for you.
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  Could you start out of course, I've introduced you, but could you start out telling us kind of in your own words how you're a money coach and how you do that in a way that is different from other people who might call themselves a money coach. And money coach are my words, so not your words. That's fine.
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  Morgana: Really, I've been a life coach and a leadership coach for thirty one years. The money thing came up because money is the number one excuse human beings give, especially women, for what we can't have, do, or be. So money is for me an excellent pain door into all the deeper things that we struggle with as human beings around lovability, worth, and safety. It is a happy coincidence that the people I coached through my signature process that I invented twenty two years ago, that my clients make millions of dollars. And what I do doesn't really have anything to do with money and I'm not going to give you any financial advice.
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  Go get a financial planner. That is the extent of my But financial what I do address is the unconscious roots of our money drama. Because honestly, money is an invention. It doesn't exist. It's make believe.
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  We made it up. But what it represents, and in my experience, it represents love, it represents worth, it represents safety, and it represents power. And those issues are really sticky issues and they will show up in our financial results. What we know from many, many years of neuro linguistic programming and hypnosis is that our beliefs and our attitudes and our actions are largely unconscious. So while we are doing all the right stuff, and I trust I am speaking to an audience that does all the right stuff, went through school, went through grad school, you know, is following the rules, studies the rules, argues the rules, and you're still not getting the results that you deserve and you desire.
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  And by the way, that's crazy making because all our lives, especially as good little girls who got straight As, we were told, get good grades, go to school, and you're gonna be set. Not true. So if you're doing all this stuff, and let's throw in not only your degrees and maybe some business classes and maybe some coaching and some books and all that kind of stuff, and you're still not getting the results that you were promised and that you know in your bones you should get. It is my experience having coached thousands of clients over the last thirty years that when that is happening, that dynamic is happening, I have found that we are unconsciously protecting ourselves from what we want and we're not crazy. We're not losers.
• 5:57
  I don't even believe in the concept of self sabotage. Why would we do that? I just don't believe that. But I do believe that we have a prime directive to protect ourselves. And if you aren't getting the results, I would suggest that you're being very, very successful at protecting yourself from what you want.
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  So what I seek to do, what my work is about, is making what you want safe. And it's counterintuitive. Why would money be unsafe? Although we can take a look at targets being sued, you know, it's drama, family, all that kind of stuff. But actually I've never found the root of the money problem even in money stories.
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  It's always the deeper, tenderer stuff around love and worth and safety and power. So what I wanna do in the teeny tiny bit of time that we have together today is I want to help you uncover what the real issue is. When your results are not making sense, that's when we need to dig into where your beliefs, attitudes, actions and ultimately results come from. And that's this relationship between your conscious brain and your vast unconscious storehouse of life experiences so that we can uncover what you're protecting yourself from and then make what you want safe. And I like to say change happens at the speed of safety.
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  Because what I've noticed, and I did not expect any of this when I started on this journey, I've just coached so many people so many times and I see patterns. And I like to recognize and call out patterns. And what I've noticed is all that work that you've been doing years and years, putting it into your business, or putting it into your health, or putting it into your life partner, whatever that area or those areas are. It's not like it's wasted, but if you still have like the safety wall up, it's sort of building up all this energy and that's my theory for why I frequently see really big results really fast that I can't explain, including my client from Sun Valley, Idaho, who when she first did the process on her own, she got this check out of the blue for $20,000 and then she got a check for $50,000 and then we had a twenty minute conversation and I heard something in her background that I thought, Oh, that sounds like there's some monstrous stuff there. And I kid you not, that day, it was a Friday, she got a call about a house that she had had on the market for years trying to sell and nobody had even looked at in over a year.
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  And she got a phone call right after our call and the house sold for $1,200,000 two days later. And I that's a that's a great coincidence. I just have mountains those coincidences. Yeah.
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  Davina: So let me, there's a whole lot in there I want to talk about. I want to, there's something that you said that really stood out to me that I think is going to, that people are going to be puzzled by. And that's this idea that we're keep we're protecting ourselves, keeping ourselves safe from something that we want. I mean, that sounds crazy. Right?
• 9:36
  Like, we're protecting ourselves from something that we want. Talk to me a little bit more about that and what what you mean by that.
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  Morgana: Do you mind if I tell my story to kind of No. Absolutely. I'd love to treat it. Okay. So good student here.
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  Even after I was hit by a car, thrown in a coma, had a traumatic brain injury and was homeless my senior year of high school. I still graduated as a National Merit Scholar and went to Smith College. Wow. So I'm a good student. And I have been coaching a very long time.
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  I started coaching people in the entertainment industry and very, very quickly. It was like I had this magical touch. Most of it was just intuitive and I had actors with no credits booking. I would coach them for a month or two, and they would book a big film or a series regular on a primetime series. That isn't supposed to happen so fast in a first time film director selling his film for a million dollars, which was actually money thirty years ago.
• 10:41
  And awards and stuff like that. And the trick was I was coaching for another company so I could get those results, but I wasn't handling the money myself. And then I decided this is what I wanna do with my life. And this is that scratch noise on the record right now. Because I just started acquiring certifications, like every certification, coactive coaching, neuro linguistic programming, Ericksonian hypnosis, coactive relationship coaching, and on and on and on and on, thinking if I get all these skills and all these letters after my name, then I will feel comfortable coaching.
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  Punchline, no. I got more and more and more testimonials. I had the website, the brochures, because back then we had paper brochures and business cards, public speaking, reputation, success stories, people actually wanting to hire me. And it was like I had the superhuman power of money repulsion. Imagine a giant r on my chest.
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  So in, I think it was March, I'm noticing that not only am I not making money, but I'm spending more money to not make money. And now I'm taking classes that are teaching me to do what I've already done really well, and nothing is moving the And as sort of a Hail Mary, I take a class on overcoming sales objections. So if anybody is alive who doesn't know what that is, these are classes that have been going on since the dinosaurs that teach you what to say when somebody says, oh, I would love to, but I can't afford it, don't have the time or whatever. And good student here, seven people in a row, I overcame their objections. And they said, Yes.
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  Seven people in a row never showed up for our initial coaching session or paid me. And that's when I lost my mind. And by the way, I should also give this as context. I was living in Los Angeles, and I was down to one client at a $100 a month, and even that was looking sketchy. So this this, by the way, this is good headache.
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  Davina: This is really a survival thing at this point.
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  Morgana: On so many levels. What I'm living in one of the most expensive cities in the world, making $100 a month living on debt.
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  Davina: So
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  Morgana: I had this huge shame factor going on and fear that I will never make a living. And it was unfair because I was producing miracles and it didn't matter. And it felt like the universe hated me. And and I am a bit competitive about my failure. I'm like, a $100 a month, beat that.
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  But don't. I mean, I didn't It felt like
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  Davina: the universe hated you. I mean, that's very powerful. Yeah.
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  Morgana: I really, really did. And I remember the day when the seventh person ghosted me, didn't show up for our call. And I just I went into my I'm living in this tiny one bedroom apartment that I obviously can't afford. And I remember getting on my bed and lying down and just screaming and crying and wailing and feeling so hurt and hopeless, frightened, angry. I definitely felt hated by the universe, like the universe was sadistic and was messing with me and I hated life in the universe.
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  I did not see how I could live And I didn't really want to because it's that serious. It feels like such a rejection of self, especially when you have a gift.
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  Davina: Right.
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  Morgana: And it doesn't make sense. And I had done all the things. I was doing all the things multiple times and it didn't make sense. And I remember just crying and raging myself until I was exhausted. It's like sinking to the bottom of the pool or the lake.
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  And when I hit that bottom to sound like a 12 step program, I had two thoughts. One of them, because there's actually a psychological dynamic called an antidrama. When you fully express one emotion, its opposite starts to arise. So all the rage, all the grief. And then I had a couple of thoughts and I thought maybe if I made money my next area of spiritual growth, I could deal with it.
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  That's a very Southern California way to think. Why hide money in the spiritual box? Because it's honestly spirituality is in our water. Right? Right.
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  Then maybe maybe then I can deal with it. It was, know, a useful thought. I don't know if it applies to everybody. The second thought was more pivotal, which was I got really curious about what the heck is going on inside of me that can't be with money because it did not make sense.
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  Davina: Right. You had checked all the boxes.
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  Morgana: Yeah. And soon after, I had a session with my coach. By the way, that is in the context of what I've shared with you, a ridiculous thing to say. I just don't have money for home, food, insurance, gas, all of it, and I'm still working with a coach who graduated- That's a
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  Davina: really California thing to do.
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  Morgana: Well, because this coach and I both graduated from the same program and got certified on the same day in California. So yeah, it's very Californian, only he owned a house and I'm struggling to make a $100 a month. Yeah. And I was doing everything he told me to do for months and it was making no difference. But on this day I came, I'm usually, let's go coach, what do I need to do?
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  And I was not that on this call. I was just like vomiting all of my despair and rage and hurt, which by the way is what your coach wants because it it gave him something that inspired something in him that had never shown up before. And so I just like go over a litany of everything I've tried and failed, making my case against the universe.
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  Davina: Right, right.
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  Morgana: And he asked me this really weird question that changed my life. And he said to me, if your money was a person, who would your money be? And in that moment, when I was just like flooded with emotion, hurt, and like all of my neurology was lit up with all this upset. As soon as he asked me that question, I saw in my mind's eye this big, scary, dirty, violent biker dude, bald with the long sideburns and tattoos, wife beater shirt, jeans, big buckle. By the way, nothing wrong with tall, bald bikers with buckles.
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  This guy felt really scary and malicious and dangerous to me personally. And I had this moment of imagining myself at a live event, keeping my eye on that guy all the time to keep maximum distance between us. And that was my big light bulb moment of what I was doing unconsciously every day that I was sending out emails and public speaking and doing discovery calls and all the things. But unconsciously, my whole system was designed to create maximum distance. Childhood trauma, family fights, stolen inheritances, a decision I made when I was about 12 years old, that money got in the way of love.
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  I just didn't know I made that decision until March. So it became very clear to me that this entity, this imaginary guy was so bad that there was no way to have a good relationship with him. He wanted to kill me. And I knew that there's no way that I could have a relationship with money if it was that guy. And it's interesting because I never knew that way about money until that moment.
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  And hear the words dirty, scary, violent. I didn't know that I felt that way about money until I saw this money monster. And he felt as real to me as a human being. And I needed to end that relationship because nothing good could come of it. So I got rid of the biker.
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  Yay. And then I'm sitting here in Los Angeles and now I've just limited the only relationship with money I have. That's a problem. What was funny was when I decided to end the relationship with the biker, I felt this immense emptiness around me because this was a relationship that I never was consciously aware of. But once it was gone, was like, woah, something is gone.
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  And in all honesty, I was just thinking, I need to fill this space before he comes back. So I thought to myself, well, who could I want so much? Who could I want to have a relationship with so much that I want this person even if it's money? Because seriously, if you've ever been in a really bad toxic relationship that made you feel worthless and you should be grateful for any crumb of affection, Somebody who cheated on you or just soul crushing, that kind of thing. And you got out of that relationship.
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  You know you're not in a hurry to get into that kind of relationship again. Is the moment in the movie where I would go and get a bad haircut and I've done that. So I had to think to myself, really? Who would be so wonderful that I'd be willing to try this relationship with money thing again? So he had to be really safe and really worthy.
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  And when I asked myself who would be so wonderful because I started in such an emotional state and because the monster was so real and now the monster was so gone. I'm starting to plant the steps, and I'll break them out more linear when I finish the story. Because of all those things, when I asked myself, well, who could I want so much? I was very lucky in that, again, you know, abracadabra. A new money person showed up in my mind's eye, but this time he was tall, dark, and handsome and sweet, clean-cut, hair slicked back, dressed in a tuxedo, holding a bouquet of red flowers, romantic, and wanted to woo me.
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  And my response to that was, this is awesome and weird because I had never thought of money wanting to be with me much less woo me. This was so foreign and I could feel his vulnerability and how much he wanted to be with me, which created a new problem. I was a master at pushing money away. Perhaps you saw my, you know, me compete in the Olympics Summit. You know?
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  I'm really well developed in that sport. And I really did not know how to allow money to be with me in the scale that this guy wanted to be with me. Because it was like a person, but it was also money. And the handy thing about giving personhood to money is so I don't know how to allow money to be with me in that, you know, like, that much. So I can ask.
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  So I asked what I now call my money, honey. What do you need from me to allow you to be with me? And I want you to notice the presupposition there. Money wants to be with me, and it all hinges on my power. I am the gatekeeper to allow money to be with me instead of slamming the door shut like I'd been doing for so long.
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  And when I asked that question, I got a very, very sweet response. And in that moment, in that very first conversation with that first money honey, he said, I need you to love me. And I need you to stop treating me like a monster. Because honestly, it was breaking his heart. And that sounded fair.
• 24:47
  And I think I have to address the whole money. Love of money is the root of all evil thing because we've all heard it. It's been drummed into our DNA. I have a friend who, was studying ancient Aramaic a couple years ago. And what she reported back to me is that the original translation did not say that at all.
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  The original translation was that worshiping money will cause you problems, to which I would say, yeah. No argument there. That's not that's not what this is. This is a loving partnership. And it's not at the expense of other people.
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  Love is generous. Love is expansive. Love is joyful. Love is noble. Love, when you are loving, you are your best self.
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  Love is not envy or scarcity or exploitation or harming others. That is not love. Again, love is generous and noble and expansive. And that's what I'm talking about when I talk about he wanted me to love him. It's kind of like bringing out my best self, my kindest, most generous, most at one with life self.
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  It's interesting to me that you the words that you use to talk about this is not love. This is
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  Davina: not love. This is not love. Those are also the words that you would use to say, this is not money. This is not money. It's a story that people tell themselves.
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  This person is wealthy. They must be a bad person.
• 26:40
  Morgana: And by the way, let's be honest. Some are. Yeah. And some are great people, and you'll find that across the spectrum.
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  Davina: What money does though.
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  Morgana: It does. It magnifies. And and I've coached clients who were couch surfers, and I've coached one percenters. And human beings are human beings, and the underlying insecurities of human beings are really uniform despite wildly different circumstances. And when I look at oligarchs who are causing devastation, you know, to peoples and planet
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  Intro: and
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  Morgana: our future. Those are not people who feel good about themselves, feel like they have enough.
• 27:38
  Davina: Right.
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  Morgana: These these are people who have their own money monsters of insecurity and inadequacy that they are compensating for in a very obvious way. And what I would wish for them is what I would wish for all of us, which is that really deep identity of enough, loved, worthy, safe and powerful. Because when we feel that pain and when our lives reflect that, we don't look for conflict.
• 28:20
  Davina: We don't look to hurt others.
• 28:22
  Morgana: No. We look at we look at how to contribute. We look at art. We look at innovation, philanthropy. Just A dear friend of mine, an author named Chellie Campbell, you may wanna interview her too sometime.
• 28:40
  She wrote a book called The Wealthy Spirit. And how I met her was at a women's networking group twenty five years ago. And I had just started reading the book. And I start telling this short red haired lady next to me how great the book is. She was the author.
• 28:54
  And one of her stories is because she loves to play poker and she says there are three kinds of people and she's using poker metaphors. There are sharks, dolphins, and tuna. So dolphins, dolphins love to play. Dolphins love to say, oh my god. You won an award.
• 29:15
  You won that case. You just got that beautiful house. Go. How can I help? That's what dolphins do.
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  They uplift each other. They play. They take joy in the happiness of others. So when you're a dolphin, you wanna be swimming and swimming and looking for other dolphins. But in our ecosystem, they're not just dolphins.
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  They're also shark, and they're also tuna. And the thing about sharks is they have their fin, and they can they get their they get their energy from this Winlow's dynamic. That's just how they're built. They like to prey. They're predators.
• 29:59
  They like to So you know that you've been with the dolphin because they want to attack you. They want you to fail. That's how they feel better about themselves. That's how they get their energy and nourishment. And the tricky thing about sharks is they can talk.
• 30:19
  Some of them can talk a very good game and sound like a dolphin. But if you swim away feeling like you're bleeding,
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  Davina: that's a
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  Morgana: telltale sign of a shark. Dolphins Dolphins are able to successfully fight off sharks, but at some cost. You may get wounded. It can be exhausting. So it's better to conserve your energy and when you see a shark to swim away.
• 30:53
  What is more dangerous for us dolphin? Our tuna. And by the way, we've all had tuna moments. Okay? So and and it's the tuna is is the natural victim.
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  And tuna sounding things might be, why does this always happen to me? Oh my god. You won't believe what happened. And there's an energy in the sympathy. And by the way, there are real victims in the world and it's not their fault.
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  And I really, really want to honor that. Victim experiences are sacred. They humanize us. They give us the capacity to respect the experiences of other people. So that's not what I'm talking about.
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  What I'm talking about is just sort of a way of thinking and being where it's always happening to you
• 31:44
  Davina: Right.
• 31:44
  Morgana: Instead of for you. You aren't finding a way to use it, and I'm gonna help you with that in a minute when I'm done with this, unplanned side trip. So the problem with tuna is you can get caught in their net. And so we need to not allow ourselves to be drowned by this this tuna trap. That said, we have tuna moments and way to and tuna can become dolphins.
• 32:21
  We can't make another tuna a dolphin. They become dolphins because they want to, but we can help. I think that's what lawyers do anyway. So shark tuna dolphin: your job as a dolphin is swim, swim, swim, look for dolphins. See a shark, swim away.
• 32:44
  See tuna, swim away, and look for the other dolphins. Now back to where? Where was I before I went on that wild side trip? Okay so oh right so money honey. So I have this cute guy he tells me he wants me to this cute imaginary guy my money honey tells me he wants me to love him and to stop treating him like a monster.
• 33:10
  So I had to look at, well, what does that look like treating him like a monster? And I had this awareness that, and I'm sure I'm the only one, so you can all laugh at me, but when people would ask me how I worked, was code for how much do you charge, or they would ask what do you charge, my response would be guilt, shame, Oh my god. I'm gonna harm them. I don't wanna harm them. All that, which is, of course, why they didn't show up and they didn't pay me.
• 33:46
  And I thought I was being so clever and sneaky about it, but I would like. You know?
• 33:53
  Davina: Well, what's amazing is is that it's a it's a it's an energy thing. Right? So, my dog can sense when either my husband and I are anxious or when we're scared or when we're angry or when we're whatever, she can sense it and behaves in a certain way. And I think anybody who has a pet knows what that's like.
• 34:18
  Morgana: My cats do that. Yeah.
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  Davina: The same thing. Human beings are the same. We're sending out some sort of signal to other people. It's not necessarily it may be what we say or it may be in our body language, but we're sending out an energetic message.
• 34:33
  Morgana: Yeah. The delay contradicts what
• 34:36
  Davina: we're verbally saying.
• 34:38
  Morgana: The talking, talking, talking when they just wanna figure out how to come up with the money. All of that kind of stuff is is uncomfortable and repulsive and undercuts my authority and their feeling of safety. Right. I know that now, but But then. So I made a deal with this money, honey, that next time he brought me a gift, instead of shrinking, oh, with that kind of energetic response, I would say, thank you.
• 35:08
  Like, here is my fee with the energy of, and isn't he gorgeous? So I made a promise that when he brought me a gift, which would look like a client, I would say thank you. And the punchline is over the next few days, four people showed up out of the woodwork and hired me for double what I'd ever charged before. And then they kept coming, and my rates just kept getting higher and higher. And I got waiting lists, and I wrote my book.
• 35:39
  And I lead my money goddess retreat in Bali, And I've actually made millions of dollars and owned multiple houses in Southern California, and I'm the person who is struggling to make a $100 a month. And my client results are bigger than so again, it's really not about money, but money is a really fun side effect, it's good for my marketing. Yeah. Let me walk you through the steps.
• 36:05
  Davina: Before we do that, I wanna I wanna talk about So I think a lot of people have this idea too when we're talking about money, that money in isolation is we're greedy if we want it. What you're talking about and the way you're sharing it, it really is it it's an a magnifier. It's an enhancer. I mean, there's a certain baseline survival kind of thing. Right?
• 36:31
  That first, you had to just get the survival piece down. And then how do I become highly attractive? But it's not just about money. It's for all the things that I want for myself in my life.
• 36:45
  Morgana: One of my Bali clients, it's actual this has actually happened to a bunch of them. But I I had a Bali client who's 55 and never married. And we slayed her money monster. And by the final day of the six day retreat, she was actually making a 7 figure deal on her phone while we were sitting waiting for my Balinese witch doctor. And then two weeks after she got home, she met her now husband.
• 37:11
  Her first ever husband, that was about eight years ago. They're still happily, happily married. I have a number of those stories. What I want to say before we move on, and I will teach a lot more when I give the steps, but when we uncover all the things that create what I call the money monster, the reason you rightfully wanna protect yourself from money and what it represents, when all of that is gone, All that remains is an experience of love. Love for you, love for your life, love for yourself.
• 38:01
  And we embody that love as a we give that personhood so it feels real and less abstract because we get better results the more real and less abstract it is. And then we call it money, if that's what we're working on. Because that's an area of life that needs your love and healing, and I would argue our species' love and healing. And we're changing money from this month, like this bad boyfriend monster of scarcity into this loving, loving life partner who shares your values and wants to save the world with you. And when you're no longer having money on this side and love and justice and happiness and quality lifestyle and positive legacy over on this team, and they're fighting each other.
• 39:07
  Nobody wins if they're fighting each other like that. When you put them all on the same team, everything becomes possible because you're no longer at war with yourself. So
• 39:19
  Davina: That's huge because that's something that comes up a lot, recently in a conversation with a group of women lawyers in my program. Somebody said, for years, I thought justice was I had to fight for justice, and that did not go with money. Mm-mm. Justice was more noble. It was a more noble cause.
• 39:46
  And then I started to see that I maybe could have a bigger impact if I had more resources. Right? But it took her, like, she was listening to content for years around this going, well, no. But I'm doing the more noble thing because I'm focused on justice and not realizing that all that she was denying herself personally, right, in this in the name of bringing justice to others was really, shrinking the impact that she could have in the world.
• 40:21
  Morgana: I don't wanna be wealthy so that I can have and others don't.
• 40:25
  Davina: Right.
• 40:25
  Morgana: I want wealth for everybody, especially the do gooders. Do gooders need to thrive so that we can sustain do gooders. And I would argue the more we can shift success and wealth and leverage to the do gooders, the better that is for everything.
• 40:54
  Davina: Right? Yeah. Right. Right. Alright.
• 40:56
  So we don't have much time, so I want you to jump into this case.
• 40:59
  Morgana: And Okay. Step number one. This is the biggest and the diggiest. I just, you know, made up a word. You have to go digging for this one.
• 41:09
  Step number one is uncover the root cause. And that's usually where I spend most of the lion's share of the coaching session is uncovering the root cause. Anything that ever made you feel unloved, unworthy, unsafe, or powerless, if it doesn't look like it has to do with money. So start with parents because they are honestly our first experience with money. And if did, did they make you feel loved and safe and wanted or not?
• 41:39
  And many, obviously many, many of us had problematic parents and that created an unsafe world and a sense of we're not good enough. And then I've also coached people like great parents and they were not prepared for betrayals and rejections and failures and hurt and shame after that. So you just look for wherever you find anything that has made you feel unlovable, not good enough, unsafe, illnesses, accidents, violence, climate change, war, the isms that are around us. Women's health care, right? Great.
• 42:26
  Power, the abuse of it, any of that stuff, especially if it doesn't look like it has to do with money, but just follow where is the pain the most alive? Even if you've healed it a million times with your therapist or your shaman or whatever, if there's any, if you still have some kind of emotional charge, great. Because you can use that. You've already paid the price with your pain. Now we wanna milk it for your empowerment.
• 42:59
  And so this process, I call it financial alchemy. I'm not a law of attraction coach. By the way, if you're into law of attraction, use this and make it work in your model if this feels right for you. My thing about law of attraction is the whole, oh, I can't have negative vibes is fear based. And I say, you have victim experiences.
• 43:25
  How do I know? Because you're a human being and you're still alive and here. So we're gonna use whatever that is, whatever injury or shame is popping, we're gonna use that. And I it's like use your lawyer skills and build a case against existence. Take God to court and make him loose.
• 43:49
  And when you have a critical mass you don't have to go so far that you dissociate. In fact, don't. You don't have to get all of it, just enough. I call it, it's the scientific term is a critical mass of ick. And when you have that and maybe you're crying, maybe you're not, but it's like woah this is awful.
• 44:08
  Now I want you to imagine that some external entity, not your parents, not anybody you're currently living with, maybe a real person or maybe completely imaginary like my biker, but this is the person who is responsible for every terrible thing that ever happened to you. It's totally imaginary. But imagine that every pain you've ever had there was some evil dark entity who thinks has eyes, has teeth, has fingernails, who is obsessed with making you not wanna be alone. And I call that your monster. Monster.
• 44:55
  And for this exercise, I call it your money monster. And when you feel how vile and without any any merit at all how vile this person, imaginary person is. That's why we don't make it your parent, we don't make it you, we don't make it anybody in your life. Because on step number three, you make a decision. Only one of you gets to survive.
• 45:28
  And I want you to put everything you can think of that no longer has permission to be in your life experience into that monster. And then I want you to kill it, annihilate it in the most dramatic, gory, exciting way you can imagine. When I first had this experience twenty two years ago for myself, I just like broke up with the guy and then created my money honey. I have found that the results are way better when you kill the monster because it's it's like you are rising from the ashes as, you know, Kali or Boudika or, you know, it's it's this warrior goddess who chooses what gets to be in your life. And you just eradicate any trace of this monster, which is why you wanted to feel very human and look real and have boundaries so that when you destroy it, you can check, you can scan like energetically or whatever you do and feel is there anything left.
• 46:40
  And the it's it's it's totally binary. It's like, you know, pregnancy, you are or you aren't. It is or it isn't. Make sure there are no bloody bits. Like, you know, pour sulfuric acid or vacuum it up with a cosmic vacuum cleaner, whatever, until it's just empty void.
• 47:00
  And I've had clients on the other side of the world say, oh my god. The sun just came out at that moment that it was gone. I a client of mine in Canada talked about doing this just a couple of weeks ago, and this giant goldfish that's bigger than goldfishes are supposed to be just flung itself out of the shallow end of her lake and she'd never seen it before but at that moment. So you know you don't need to have like dramatic cosmic confirmation. I just want you to feel the monster is gone and it will feel unlike anything you've experienced before.
• 47:39
  It'll feel really gone. And that's step number three. Let's get my fingers correct. The three. After that, you meet your money, honey.
• 47:48
  When the monster is really gone, all that remains is love. And we give that love personhood. And this person loves you and chooses you over everybody in the world. This is your new relationship with life and money, and we're gonna call it your money, honey. And this person feels safe, and this is a person that you feel like you want to be with.
• 48:21
  And FYI, if you're in a any gender that is you know, appeals to you. But, if you are married or in a relationship with a human honey and you're going, oh, I feel like I'm cheating. I'm like, yes. Fantastic. I want that because to the best of my knowledge, none of my clients have successfully cheated on their human embodied honeys with their imaginary friend.
• 48:50
  But you can take that wonderful juicy energy to your life partner and I promise you they will appreciate it. So step four is you meet your money honey. This is your new relationship with money in life and he or she loves you, you get to see yourself through the eyes of love and how worthy and how smart and how fantastic you are. And what was the other thing I wanted to say? Oh, it's falling out of my head.
• 49:27
  So I think I think we have enough there.
• 49:29
  Davina: Yeah. We'll come back to it. We'll come back
• 49:31
  Morgana: to it. So
• 49:32
  Davina: on to so once you've got your money, honey Yes. In your head, then what is step step five?
• 49:38
  Morgana: Step five is now you have that conversation. What do you need from me to allow you to be with me the way you want to be with me? Because this person's crazy in love with you. And it's very important that this relationship is safe. So by the way, if you come from a background of sexual trauma or never having had a safe or any romantic relationship, that is fine.
• 50:09
  You get to have a partner who is safe, who loves you, respects your boundaries, who you wanna be with, whatever that looks like. And you may start with the money honey at a certain level and then evolve to more intimacy down the road. What's really nice that I've noticed with this process is clients who come from that kind of trauma are creating a new blueprint for a relationship that allows safe, honoring, happy love relationships to come into their lives. Because honey, your money honey is not gonna like anybody who does not worship you. So step five.
• 51:06
  Davina: You get to choose. Get to choose
• 51:08
  Morgana: to choose.
• 51:09
  Davina: Everything because there is nobody there's nobody else involved in the conversation. There's you and you're
• 51:16
  Morgana: And you are already loved. You are already loved and lovable, and you can feel it and you can see it. And now you have that conversation, Money, what do you need for me to allow you to be with me? Because you have the power. You are the gatekeeper.
• 51:31
  And listen for the answer. Typically, the responses are gonna be very kind of vague and almost Yoda like. I want you to love yourself. I want you to trust. Or the worst request that you can ever give any woman is, I want you to relax.
• 51:56
  So these are all wonderful aspirational goals to work towards. And nobody in the history of humanity has ever loved themselves perfectly every day their whole life.
• 52:10
  Davina: Right.
• 52:11
  Morgana: Or trusted perfectly. So it's just like, it's a
• 52:16
  Davina: map. Right.
• 52:17
  Morgana: You know, point A to point B. But we want you to have a win. And we wanna make this real because right now all of this is kind of like, oh, in the ethers, and we wanna get it into our body and get real physical results. So we take action. Action is magical, especially when you want real world results.
• 52:38
  So step number six is concrete measurable action that you are going to take to demonstrate to yourself that you are committed to this very new, very different relationship? And when I just ask that question, it may already be popping into your mind. The way to find out what the action is, is you just run it by your money honey. And I'm just gonna use a he because my money honey is a he. And you see how he responds.
• 53:16
  And if it's like, or okay, or yeah, you go for the yeah. You go for what lights him up. And I say this because sometimes I'll have a client who will say, I'm gonna make 30 cold calls. And I'm just feeling like, woah, that feels so heavy. And I'll say, run by your money, honey.
• 53:42
  And and she'll say, oh, no, he doesn't like that. So try something else. And I had a client who's an attorney, an attorney client, who agreed with her money honey that she wasn't gonna like go out that weekend, she was gonna stay home and do laundry and she got a phone call and a $20,000 client. So you're just looking for that light and that excitement. Oh yeah, my client Katie from Toronto's, it was December.
• 54:22
  I hear that it's really cold in Canada in December, what would I know here in Los Angeles? But she was in Toronto and she and her money honey agreed that she would go skating. And it was Wednesday. And Wednesday goes by and she doesn't go skating and nothing changes. She's so worried about money and making money and getting clients and whatever she needs to do that she doesn't do the skating and nothing changes.
• 54:44
  And then Thursday, she's so worried about money and doing all the things she has to do. She doesn't have time to go skating and nothing happens. Friday, she takes her 10 year old son out to the skating rink. They have this amazing time. They have this heart connection.
• 54:57
  She goes home, she gets a phone call and somebody offers her $10,000 without her even asking for it. And that was the beginning of her relationship with money. If nothing else, when you commit to that thing that turns your money, honey, on and it feels expensive and even if you don't feel like doing it. Like, went on a book tour in 02/2007. I'm looking at, okay.
• 55:22
  All I know for certain is I have all these airplane bills, all these taxi bills, all these hotel bills, and absolutely no guarantee I'm going to make a penny in my money. And he said, but you committed, so you're going to do it. And my first stop on the book tour, made more money than I'd ever made in a day before. But I didn't know that going into it, and there's no guarantee. But I did.
• 55:44
  My money honey said, you said you're gonna do it, so you're gonna do it. So at the very least, you have that feeling of being in integrity and and Right. Being your words. So that's step number six.
• 55:56
  Davina: When you were, you had that revelation moment, and then you created your money, honey, what was your step number six? Do you remember?
• 56:09
  Morgana: My step number six because I didn't have steps or numbers at the time. What happened so my step number six was that when my when my money honey brought me a client, I would say thank you. And I would I I would be grateful, and I'd stop being all weird. I would stop treating him like a monster.
• 56:31
  Davina: So it doesn't have to be a big thing where you take where you have to go make 30 calls or or start a marketing campaign or whatever. It could be something.
• 56:42
  Morgana: The 30 calls was in that instance with the money honey rejected. But with and I've had clients. It's like money honey wants to go dancing or get a pedicure, and then she gets a new client. My client, Janet, her money honey wanted her to go walking for two weeks. She kept putting it off.
• 56:59
  She finally went walking, met a stranger, got into a conversation, got her first high paying client. It it doesn't mean that you're going to get it from doing the thing, but it is the way to commit to yourself and anchor that you are in a new relationship. And then you just need to find a way to keep staying in communication with your money, honey. Because if you think maintaining a relationship with a human being is tough, try maintaining a relationship with an imaginary friend who doesn't have a body. There was oh, now I've lost my train of thought again.
• 57:38
  I'm so sorry.
• 57:39
  Davina: That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. And so before we end
• 57:46
  Morgana: Oh, I just I did remember. It's about the sixth step. So, oh, there are cases by the way. I've had many clients whose Money Honey wanted them to balance their checkbook and pay attention. I had a client whose Money Honey and she agreed that she would file her taxes and then she came back and she said that was like foreplay.
• 58:06
  So there's this underlying feeling of expansion and love and that's how you tell the difference in flavor between a money honey and a money monster. Money monster is kind of shame. You should. And And how
• 58:24
  Davina: you tell the difference between money honey and selves. Right?
• 58:30
  Morgana: I love that question. That question only comes up all the time. So thank you. Thank you for that. And my answer is when a client says, How do I know if it's my money, honey, or me?
• 58:42
  And I say, It is. Because it's both. This is a way to access your frontal lobe, your genius zone, your intuition, your highest self without all the baggage of your neuroses. So it really helps to put your consciousness into like this third party who is all love and just loves you because it, from a neuroscience, because I'm a geek, from a neuroscience standpoint, it calms down the reactive reptile brain that is famous for bad decisions.
• 59:26
  Davina: Right. Right.
• 59:27
  Morgana: And it wakes up your frontal lobe, which is your genius zone, where you get not just your best ideas and solutions and resourcefulness, but also your intuition. Which is why when I just love it when step number six is not something obvious or something necessarily on the nose. But only the client, only you will really know
• 59:57
  Davina: Right.
• 59:58
  Morgana: Right. This is a fit with your money, honey. What you did it light up your money, honey? Only you will really know.
• 1:00:05
  Davina: Morgana, thank you so much for being here and sharing with us. Tell us how we can get your book, get in touch with you, find out more about working with you.
• 1:00:12
  Morgana: Oh, my pleasure. So the mothership website is morganaray.com. My name, nospaces,.com after that. And you can find my book there. You can find my money love quiz, which I highly recommend.
• 1:00:27
  It's free, easy, pain free. And based on your responses, I make recommendations for what I think your next step should be. And I always include free options too. To work with me, you can reach out to me through the website. You'll also find my book there.
• 1:00:43
  The book is a great place to begin because not only do I guide you through the process and a lot of stuff that we just didn't have time for today, but I also created this, if we're going to be really like left brain about it, strategic planning self coaching system is the second half of it that I call twelve months of magic and manifestation because the results tend to happen as if by magic. And one of my very favorite of all time clients had her first $50,000 sales a month just using my book, before she hired me, before I even knew who she was. So it's a great place to start. And when you're ready to work with me, what I offer is I can safely take you farther than you can take yourself, like, deeper into, like, a bigger money monster, a more dramatic transformation. And if that is never necessary for you, if you have amazing results on your own, I celebrate that.
• 1:01:53
  And I only ask that you send me the you know, your story because that's my kink. You know? That's what I love.
• 1:02:03
  Davina: Thanks so much for being here, Sherri. This has been a fascinating and fun conversation. I really appreciate it.
• 1:02:10
  Morgana: Oh, it's been fun. Thank you.
• 1:02:12
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