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TWR Wednesday | Bridging History and Politics: Dennis Brennan’s Timely Insights · The Whitfield Report

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  The right to offend is not some pesky little part of freedom of
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  speech that we have to put up with.
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  This is the Whitfield Report live with Sam Whitfield.
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  But giving offense is good. In fact, it's essential.
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  Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to
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  tonight's edition of the Whitfield Report Live.
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  I'm your host, Sam Whitfield. I hear from South Florida and
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  joining Max more this tonight. Tonight is Mr. Dennis Brennan,
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  an author and attorney who has written a book.
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  And let me see if I can find the title here real quick.
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  And Dennis has an interesting background as an attorney.
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  So Sir, welcome to the program. How are you doing, Sir?
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  I'm doing fine. Thanks a lot for having me and I
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  appreciate the opportunity to talk to you guys.
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  Appreciate you coming on. So just to start off, what is
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  your general background, Sir? Well, this is my first book, but
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  prior to that, for the last 35 years I've practiced law as an
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  attorney in Illinois in various forms, corporate law.
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  I've been a litigator. I've I've done a little bit of
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  criminal law, not much big on real estate transactions so
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  forth. Even advocacy, we call it
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  advocacy instead of lobbying. So it's been I was immediately.
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  Going to point out that specifically practicing law in
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  Illinois already triggers for me that that's probably more
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  complicated than a lot of other states.
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  We've had our ups and downs in Illinois, yes.
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  Just cause law in Illinois, you know, sometimes is a is a tricky
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  issue. And that's where especially if
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  you like, I guess this assumption, but have you dealt
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  with like the sort of corrupt monotony of it all?
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  Like everything is this way, so you should just do whatever kind
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  of thing 'cause that's what a lot of people in Illinois in the
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  political side of things report. Yeah.
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  You know, when I was in law school, we had one of the
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  biggest criminal cases involving the court system.
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  It was called Graylord, where I forgot the exact number, but
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  let's say it's about 30 judges were convicted.
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  It was certainly in that area, 30 to 50 between attorneys,
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  judges, they were fixing cases. So that that was my entry into
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  into law. I was in law school.
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  What was going on? That's the that's the kind of
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  context of history I think people even miss.
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  It's like they know about when people fixed a sports game.
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  They're up in arms about it right now with the NBA, right?
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  But imagine they're fixing trials, right?
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  That's that's and then being on the receiving end of that and
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  having no way to fight back sucks especially.
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  It it's, it's very difficult. A friend of mine who I didn't
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  know at the time, he was a little older, but he had told me
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  he was practicing here and he left because he couldn't.
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  He couldn't practice. He moved to California of all
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  places because you basically had to pay off people for especially
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  traffic cases. The traffic courts were
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  unbelievably corrupt. 1 judge though even fixed a murder case
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  and he later ended up killing himself before he was indicted.
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  Yeah. I've I've and that's all over
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  though I don't want to pick on anybody in particular cause
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  Massachusetts famously you might even have heard of this had the
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  criminal investigative forensic pathologist that was completely
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  irresponsible and got thousands of cases overturned in the
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  process with the evidence. So like, this is a thing that
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  and it was because she's getting paid in some cases to look the
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  other way. In other cases, she just didn't
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  really put much effort into it. And it it, it thousands of
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  people's lives actually hung in the balance in those cases.
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  And it all is just, like, swept under the rug in some cases, you
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  know? Yeah.
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  Yeah. She was punished.
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  Yeah. It's like, yeah.
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  But a lot of those guys are still in jail.
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  So I apologize for the delay, but I found the link to your
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  book in my show notes. So your book is titled DC Swamp
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  Strikes Back, Aaron Burr, Donald Trump, and they're similar
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  battles, victims separated by centuries.
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  Now, Aaron Burr is someone who we don't hear a lot about in
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  history, unfortunately. And I and.
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  Except as like a pop culture reference, right?
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  Like there was a milk commercial where it was about a trivia
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  question or it's like referenced.
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  He's referenced on like Seinfeld and things like that.
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  But yeah, like most people wouldn't know even the name
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  Aaron Burr. And and if funnily enough,
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  because of the musical of Hamilton, which in my mind
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  doesn't characterize him particularly well or any of the
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  history involved anyway, it's a fun it's a fun piece of art,
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  though. That's the only ways I I I'm
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  aware of the average like media consuming populist would even
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  know of Aaron Burr, which is a shame with the how tide he is to
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  the history of this country and how important the debate sort of
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  between him and Hamilton mainly, but of through many people of
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  federalism and versus anti federalism.
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  I think that's a question grapple with today.
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  So I I have to ask first officer, what what inspired you
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  to write this book? It is a very specific topic for
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  a first book. Yeah, it is.
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  It is very specific. You know, I'm one of those guys
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  who always thought, hey, I could write a book, but I was always
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  too lazy to do it and wasn't sure what I would write about.
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  Thought, hey, I could do fiction.
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  I could make up stories. I would make it up stories for a
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  long time. I'm an attorney, so that should
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  be easy. But what really did it was a
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  friend of mine wrote a book about Aaron Burr and he brought
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  it to my office and he said, you know, why don't you take a look
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  at it? Tell me what you think.
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  So few weeks later he came back and we were sitting down and I
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  said, wow, lot of stuff in here. I didn't know about Aaron Burr.
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  Great book. I said, but I think you missed
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  the story. I had to throw in the butt.
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  I just it was a good book. But I, you know, at that time,
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  we had the campaign going on for the presidency.
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  And I saw so many parallels between Burr and what was going
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  on with him and then what was going on with Trump at the same
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  time. And he's a Democratic political
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  consultant. So he looked at me like, I'm
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  nuts. And, you know, I said to him,
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  basically, well, if you're not going to fix this, maybe I'll do
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  it. And he kind of shook his head
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  like, no, you're not and. Well, it certainly makes sense
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  to us because we've been sitting here making parallels with Trump
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  and Nixon, who also famously was always compared with Aaron Burr
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  for the same reasons. Yeah.
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  And history, history wasn't kind Aaron Burr, right.
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  I mean, when we go, we go and talk about Aaron Burr.
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  And I make the point in the book, most of us what we know.
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  And it's, I don't know if it's an indictment on our own ability
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  to learn or on our teachers, but all we remember is, hey, there
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  was a duel between him and Hamilton.
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  Hamilton died, and Burr is hated forever on after that.
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  And you don't really know much else.
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  But again, leading up to even, like I said, the musical now,
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  which lionizes Hamilton as like the the pure good in the
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  situation and Burr was just a bad guy.
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  It's, I mean, I like it as a piece of art, but like, as a
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  piece of history. It's offensive for a couple
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  reasons, but I digress. That's like the modern people's
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  interaction with this part of our history.
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  I don't even for me, and I often lament that younger people seem
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  to have less American history than even I do in their
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  schooling, it seems, when they talk to me.
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  But even for me, yeah, it was the duel.
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  And that's what you're supposed to know.
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  And when I started reading things like The Federalist
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  Papers and looking into the history of this country on my
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  own, 'cause I didn't go to school.
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  I'm just a nerd, you know, I, I graduated high school.
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  That's my credentials. But I really liked history, you
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  know, and so I, I found that, wait a minute, this guy's way
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  more important than that. And that's what I, you know, I,
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  I said before casually, like people don't care about this
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  kind of thing when I talk about the parallels of history, often
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  times because they don't know any of it.
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  Right. You know, or, or they can't, I
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  guess in a way, it's hard for a lot of modern minds to put
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  themselves in the shoes of history without it shown to
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  them. You know, we're a very visual
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  storytelling society where everything moves so fast.
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  It just seems like a lot, a lot of our history gets lost in the
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  sauce, in my opinion. You remember it's Sam.
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  I I spent a whole episode just going off, you know, on a
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  tangent about Thanksgiving a couple years ago because it's
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  local history to me. And, and it's important, you
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  know, a lot of people have different narratives on it.
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  And we'll probably do that again this year.
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  But for the people of the Wampanoag tribe that I grew up
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  with and the other people here, it's a, you know, a holiday of
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  get coming together to fight hardship.
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  And then I see other people's opinions on it.
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  I'm like, yeah, but the people who actually did the whole
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  thing, See, in America we write everything down.
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  History in America is great because we are the most thorough
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  history keepers. I could, you know, outside of
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  like Rome and like Hitler's Germany, but like American
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  history, you know, every house who built it, you know, things
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  like that. There's like records of so much
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  that you can dig into and writings and things.
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  And it's just completely under taught in schools.
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  So I love when somebody does like what he's he's doing here.
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  Draw the parallel right, with modernity.
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  And I assume you're going to have to inform people of the
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  story from the beginning. And if that's the case, right,
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  they probably more familiar with the Trump story, I would
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  imagine. Yeah, the, the, Trump's, the
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  Trump part is easy, right? We, we lived it, you know, or
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  most of us have lived it. And, you know, as I was writing
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  this, the campaign was going on in the second campaign.
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  So it was a lot of information on Trump.
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  And that's really what sparks it when you when you read about
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  Burr and all of a sudden you're, you know, quite frankly, I guess
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  I'm learning it for the first time.
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  Or if I did learn it in school, I forgot about things like.
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  They certainly didn't go into much depth for most of us, yeah.
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  No, I mean, they might have touched on the the Burr
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  conspiracy or what was known as the Spanish conspiracy.
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  But if they did, that went in in one ear and out the other.
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  I didn't really retain it. And when you go back and start
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  seeing it, you're like, oh, that's I remember some of this,
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  but not enough. And you start seeing the
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  parallels of the cases against Burr and and the interaction of
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  the media and government, which we, we have a real problem here
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  now in our country with I think the they act.
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  There's some comparisons to back then too.
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  Well, Sir, if you wouldn't mind, can can you tell the audience
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  who you know, who was Aaron Burr and why was he important?
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  Have you learned anything in your research that shocked you,
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  you know, or surprised you? Yeah.
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  I think first, you know, Aaron Burr to me after seeing all the,
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  you know, different descriptions of him and how he was kind of,
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  you know, we talked about there's a lot of history, yes.
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  And some of it's, you know, it's written by the victors and
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  sometimes the victors aren't real fair about it.
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  And I worry a little bit about Trump going forward, how that
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  plays out. But with Burr, he was vice
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  president for Jefferson. He ran with Jefferson twice.
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  Jefferson the first time when he ran for president lost to Adams.
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  Burr was his vice presidential candidate.
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  He was kind of an outsider, much like Trump when he entered the
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  the Washington scene. And Burr to his credit, when
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  Jefferson lost, a lot of Jefferson's people were anti
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  Burr because he was from New York, He wasn't part of the
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  Virginia mafia so to speak. And they had this design that
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  they would have presidencies continuously out of Virginia.
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  So Burr when they lost the first time, he took a lot of heat from
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  those Jefferson supporters. Although Jefferson didn't blame
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  him. But instead of sulking about it,
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  Burr went back to New York. He at that time, electoral votes
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  were cast by the legislators. So you had to win the
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  legislature in New York. He went back there and elected
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  people that would be loyal to him and Jefferson.
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  So four years later, they had another election against Adams.
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  Same. You know, he ran as Vice
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  President Burr because he had changed New York's voting.
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  They were able to beat Adams. So Jefferson and Burr are
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  actually tied. And in those times, one of those
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  mistakes they made when they they set up the Constitution at
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  that time when a tie between the president and vice president, if
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  they tied it, went to Congress for a vote between those two.
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  And that caused more problems for Burr with the Jefferson
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  people because Burr went home to New York and waited for the
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  vote. He didn't do anything.
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  Some of the Jefferson people thought he should have been
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  outspoken and said, you know, it's Jefferson's.
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  I'm just the vice president. So Jefferson had to make a deal
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  with the the Adams Group to make some appointments.
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  And, you know, in that way, Jefferson became president.
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  But I would say more than anybody, Burr had the most to do
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  with, you know, Jefferson winning that election.
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  And he never was really credited with that.
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  And that kind of brings you into the, you know, that term he
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  served in the second, the next term for Jefferson.
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  He he basically dumped Burr as a candidate for vice president.
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  A lot of pressure to do so. He did.
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  He as he told Burr, you know, I'm just going to let it play
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  out amongst the party and let them decide.
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  Well, he kind of knew that that would be bad for Burr.
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  And Burr had already done everything he could for him.
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  He had brought in the votes, so Jefferson wasn't going to lose
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  those votes any longer if they were part of the party.
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  And you know, Jefferson after, you know, that break, Jefferson
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  and Burke kind of became enemies.
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  And I think what you see a lot and we go through in the book,
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  there's a lot of what I would call law fair back then.
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  And you can compare it to what Trump had to go through.
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  We're in Jefferson, much like I think at least the Biden
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  administration, if not Biden himself, were very invested in
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  whether Trump would be prosecuted all over the country.
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  And that parallel, the more you read about it, you realize, wow,
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  Jefferson was directing prosecutions from the White
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  House to get Burr and not only to convict him.
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  I mean, in some ways Trump is lucky because the charges
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  against him were so, you know, shallow in in depth.
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  You know, Burr, they went right after him, charged him with
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  treason twice. You don't want to, you know,
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  treason's a tough one. So this guy was facing a life or
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  death situation. Famously, when they put some of
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  the charges out on Trump is like one of the rants, like clips of
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  this video of me saying that they were charging him
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  essentially at that point with a death penalty crime.
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  And I kind of freaked out about that because of the parallels a
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  couple of times in history where treason charges are thrown out.
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  Yeah, that's a serious, serious charge.
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  You know, they ended up, what was it, 34 felony paperwork
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  cases or as, as as much. But at the time, you know, when
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  it when it was suggested they might charge him with death
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  penalty offenses, There's this clip of me just kind of flipping
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  eyes. Just say, you know what?
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  Do it because that would be the end of our country you idiots.
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  You're taking lawfare to such an extreme that you don't even see
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  it, but ended up walking it back I would say.
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  I yeah. And so, like, I don't want to,
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  you know, and I don't want to interrupt what you were saying
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  too much, but one of my other questions is as an attorney, how
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  do you feel about the way Trump has been treated by the the
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  legal system? By and large I don't get we
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  don't get to talk to too many legal ex experts on the show
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  much. So, no, I think that's, that's a
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  great question. And you know, it kind of divides
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  the legal community because by and large, you know, we're paid
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  to advocate for whoever we're we're representing.
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  And I think that's become politics too.
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  But the, what I see and what I've seen from the beginning
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  with Trump is these cases were largely manufactured.
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  You know, that like some of these, you know, a good example
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  is in the, the Georgia case where the, you know, they still
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  recite this idea that he called the Secretary of State and said
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  find, you know, 11,000 votes or 13,000 votes.
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  And I, I've spoken to people about that.
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  They say, how can you defend him?
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  You know, he, he was, obviously. Telling them to make up the
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  votes. But there's an innocent
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  construction there, you know, find the votes, recount the
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  votes, make sure these are all counted, that we're doing it
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  right. And you know, if you come up
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  with those votes, we're good. That's how I see it.
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  I think that case, I think you know, the document case which
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  you guys are referring to in New York.
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  And you know, I, as far as I know in, in the history of the
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  United States, we haven't had that case, those charges done
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  before where you take a misdemeanor that otherwise you
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  couldn't charge because of the statue of limitations.
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  And then the only way you can charge him is to bring a felony
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  in. And they do it through a
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  federal, you know, offense on whether you reported something
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  correctly on an election paper, which you know, 99 times out of
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  100 is going to result in you just having to pay a fine.
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  And so it seems those cases seem very.
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  Familiar an orange man. And then you should go to jail
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  forever and ever because reasons.
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  Well, and that's the problem, I think.
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  And when you look at those from a legal aspect or, you know, you
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  see, well, those seem pretty, you know, shabby as far as
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  charges, if you want to prosecute, especially if you
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  want to prosecute a former president, you know, it'd be bad
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  enough for you prosecuting me or you, you'd say, well, this thing
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  happens. But to go after a president, we
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  don't do that, you know, for the good of the country.
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  You know, Nixon wasn't charging pardon instead, you know, and I
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  think part of that was Gerald Ford didn't want to see the
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  country go through, you know, a divisive trial where you're
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  actually charging the former president.
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  So, but it was. Weird like sort of boomer re
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  remembrance of it too, where they all act like they weren't
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  OK with him just stepping aside. If you weren't OK with that,
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  then you know, why didn't you lock him up forever, right?
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  They act like, oh, he just got away with every.
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  First of all, I'm a Nixon guy where I'll say I don't think he
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  did as much wrong as people want to believe.
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  But beyond that, he stepped down.
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  And a lot of people are still like the boomer generation who
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  experienced it at the time seemed to be fine with him just
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  stepping away, right? And he got pardoned and they
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  see. But now I hear boomers, they're
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  like, oh, Nixon's the worst thing ever.
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  He got away with it. Got away with what, exactly?
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  Watergate was a disaster, you know.
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  Yeah, it it. Not even for the Democrats,
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  right? It wasn't good for anybody.
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  No, but I think in the end what it comes down to is what Nixon
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  found out they had broke in and he covered it up or he agreed
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  to, you know, he didn't say anything.
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  If that's part of being the cover up.
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  I think what's funny is, you know, it's a great story with a
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  book. You know, the the media has
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  really changed since Watergate. I think it part of the problem
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  with the media is because of Watergate, because Woodward and
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  Bernstein became, you know, stars basically, yes.
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  And then everybody wanted to be Woodward and Bernstein.
• 23:41
  You know, I that's when I went to school, I studied journalism
• 23:45
  and, you know, some people wanted to do it the right way.
• 23:48
  But an awful lot of people that got into the business and have
• 23:51
  been successful have, you know, become celebrities or want to be
• 23:55
  celebrities because now you can make a lot of money.
• 23:59
  Begin a journalist and it's become that you're advocating
• 24:03
  rather than reporting. And I think you know, just to to
• 24:07
  make the point Woodward and Bernstein, there was a, a book
• 24:10
  that Woodward wrote called Wired about John Belushi Saturday
• 24:15
  Night Live and Bill Murray had a great quote.
• 24:18
  He said he only, he only got through about 5 pages of it and
• 24:22
  he threw the book down and he said I couldn't read it anymore.
• 24:26
  He said, you know, I, I knew this guy, I was friends with
• 24:29
  this guy. I know what was going on there.
• 24:32
  And this is all third hand gossip.
• 24:35
  There's no real reporting here. And he said, Oh my God, they
• 24:40
  frame Nixon. I mean, that's, it's funny, but
• 24:45
  that's that's the conclusion he came to that.
• 24:47
  I don't know if you're familiar with Michael Malice, but I love
• 24:51
  Michael Malice. He talks all the time about the
• 24:54
  history of yellow journalism in this country is way longer than
• 24:58
  people think. Even before it, the the idea
• 25:02
  predates the term really of of of big press outlets advocating
• 25:09
  political policies and pretending they're not goes as
• 25:13
  back as far back as this country.
• 25:16
  Oh, yeah. And yeah, you know, we do this
• 25:19
  in in the book, I talk about the party press era, which is
• 25:23
  something Burr had to fight. You know, you have Alexander
• 25:28
  Hamilton, for instance, started the New York Post newspaper,
• 25:33
  still around the oldest newspaper.
• 25:36
  But the parties either supported these newspapers and pamphlets
• 25:41
  or they outright owned them. And a lot of the same people
• 25:45
  were reporting on themselves. So you had this advocacy going
• 25:50
  on. There notably was was one of
• 25:53
  those. Yeah, one of the older.
• 25:56
  Papers, yeah. Yeah.
• 25:58
  Now I think what you see, you know, right now journalism is at
• 26:03
  a very low point. I mean, there's very few people
• 26:07
  to trust and all the polling that's out he has, you know,
• 26:10
  journalists are thought of is, you know, the worst profession
• 26:15
  as far as trustworthiness. Used to be used car salesman,
• 26:19
  then I think his lawyer, our lawyers got in there for a
• 26:21
  while. Now it's journalists, and it
• 26:25
  should be the opposite, right? You should trust.
• 26:27
  Journalists, you guys are only in the mix when there's nobody
• 26:29
  obviously to point out, right? And then it's always the lawyers
• 26:34
  and maybe like bankers or something, right?
• 26:37
  But no, it's, it is true that journalists have probably, I
• 26:42
  think only Congress has a low lower approval rating than the
• 26:45
  mainstream media. And they don't even understand
• 26:48
  why they're getting killed by dumbasses on YouTube.
• 26:51
  Like with a mic, you know, and it's because that guy is at
• 26:55
  least saying something that the person listening feels is
• 26:58
  authentic and you're not. That's what it really boils down
• 27:01
  to. Right.
• 27:03
  People don't believe that the mainstream news is authentic
• 27:07
  anymore. Yeah, they don't.
• 27:08
  They don't even. Whatever was.
• 27:10
  Sometimes it's like an event will happen and whatever
• 27:14
  reporting they saw on it from CNN or MSNBC or even Fox News,
• 27:19
  they'll go and they'll look at like just videos of an event and
• 27:22
  be like, wait a minute, everything they told me isn't
• 27:25
  quite. I see how you would say it that
• 27:28
  way, but if you said it that way, it means you have an
• 27:31
  agenda. People aren't as stupid as they
• 27:33
  think. Well, and it, and it goes for
• 27:37
  all of us, right? I, I'll get the Chicago Tribune
• 27:39
  delivered to the house and I'll be reading the stories.
• 27:43
  And some of the stories are Associated Press.
• 27:45
  That's another problem with the, the local newspapers anymore.
• 27:49
  They're all taking these stories from The Associated Press and
• 27:53
  popping them in the paper. And you would have to, you can
• 27:57
  read out in the next page and you won't have the facts yet.
• 28:00
  You know, the, the basics of journalism are the, the five WS,
• 28:05
  the one H you're supposed to have that in there.
• 28:08
  And you know, it's, it's simple to do, but they're not doing it.
• 28:12
  What you will find are a lot of opinions.
• 28:15
  You'll get to this is my favorite one in thing that's not
• 28:18
  even presented as opinion. It's sort of what you just said,
• 28:21
  but it's it's really noticeable when you start seeing it where
• 28:24
  they will have something that refutes their headline in
• 28:28
  paragraph 3. Yes.
• 28:31
  Like the actual headline nugget that they used is a
• 28:34
  misrepresentation that is refuted within the article
• 28:37
  itself because they know that the average person is not going
• 28:40
  to read to paragraph 3. Right, and that's why journalism
• 28:44
  in general, you were doing the the five WS of the H.
• 28:47
  So if they never get past that, OK, well, they've got the gist
• 28:51
  of the story, but now you've written something else and they
• 28:55
  don't even know what it is. It does.
• 28:58
  You know, often you have to investigate yourself.
• 29:02
  I think to that point of people going to videos and checking it
• 29:04
  out, you know, Charlie Kirk is, is a good example on how social
• 29:10
  media, social media now is considered the news.
• 29:13
  And I guess Elon told us it is. So we are the news.
• 29:17
  And you know if that's the case. May God have mercy on all of our
• 29:21
  souls. But yeah.
• 29:22
  Well, perhaps, but when you see this, you see somebody say, you
• 29:27
  know, Charlie was a racist or Charlie was a misogynist or
• 29:30
  whatever, you know, good for good for Charlie Kirk and his
• 29:34
  organization, because there's so much evidence that you can pull
• 29:39
  up on the Internet and disprove that so quickly.
• 29:42
  But it it's funny how people won't do that.
• 29:45
  Like, I would look up, they'd say he's a racist.
• 29:47
  Let me see where they get that. And then you you see the context
• 29:51
  of what they're saying. It's like, well, that doesn't
• 29:54
  make him a racist. So.
• 29:56
  Yeah, or, or, you know, they'll just make up stuff that he never
• 30:02
  even said, like in, you know, graphic meme format.
• 30:05
  And you can you can easily Fact Check it.
• 30:08
  And It's not My way Out is an example of like she liked
• 30:13
  Charlie Kirk a lot specifically because of the people saying
• 30:17
  things about him. She went and checked out his
• 30:19
  videos on TikTok or whatever and was like, hey man, he's not only
• 30:24
  saying stuff that I don't find objectionable.
• 30:27
  I agree with a lot of it 'cause she's very Christian, right?
• 30:30
  And, you know, obviously she's devastated by what has happened
• 30:34
  here, but she literally them calling him names and saying all
• 30:38
  these bad things about him drove her to even check it out in the
• 30:41
  first place and then find that she agreed with it.
• 30:45
  Of. Course nobody agrees 100% but
• 30:49
  she found a lot she agreed with. Yeah, and on.
• 30:56
  And then on the flip side, like you mentioned, we have a, you
• 31:00
  know, activist, you know, journalists.
• 31:02
  And I'm not sure if you could call Candace Owens a journalist
• 31:06
  anymore. But, you know, on the flip side,
• 31:09
  you do have, you know, activists on the right quote, UN quote,
• 31:13
  who just want to make up all these, you know, conspiracy
• 31:17
  theories for clicks and speculate on what happened when
• 31:21
  you know the authorities. You've been fuming about.
• 31:23
  This, you know, it's wow. Sam's been is a.
• 31:27
  Pretty open and shut case. No, I, I agree with you, Sam.
• 31:32
  It it is disheartening. The people that said they were
• 31:37
  Charlie Kirk's friend when he was alive and perhaps even
• 31:41
  benefited financially from Charlie Kirk and his
• 31:44
  organization. And I'll be out there.
• 31:47
  You know, I guess it's easy to build up a following by being
• 31:51
  controversial, and that's some of the without.
• 31:54
  Without saying the person in particular, the one of those
• 31:58
  people long before they met him has always been this kind of
• 32:03
  attracted to negative attention person.
• 32:06
  So it's like I don't even take that person seriously.
• 32:09
  You know whether they were his friend or not, they've always
• 32:11
  said inflammatory things and I I feel that they are that's their
• 32:16
  whole reason for being kind of deal.
• 32:18
  But a lot of people, yeah. Saying stuff about it, it's I'll
• 32:23
  tell you what I think one thing the element I don't see anybody
• 32:26
  talk about is I think that the shooter if again, we're we're
• 32:30
  going with the official story that we have as of right now
• 32:33
  because there's been no trial one and all we have is that this
• 32:38
  guy is the person in custody, right?
• 32:42
  Looking at the video and how he did everything.
• 32:44
  I have had the suspicion all along that I think he used AI in
• 32:48
  the planning of this. The reason I think that is
• 32:52
  because it's a lot of like superhero shit that doesn't work
• 32:55
  out in real life kind of stuff. You know what I mean?
• 32:57
  Jumping off a building and all that crap.
• 32:59
  I think that he had a basic idea of what he was going to do.
• 33:02
  I'm not saying the AI talked him into anything, but it does seem
• 33:06
  like I've watched people get gassed up by AI into all kinds
• 33:10
  of crazy shit at this point, including I.
• 33:14
  I'd love to send you a link and see what you think of it.
• 33:17
  But there's this a YouTube he goes by Coop, just a COOP and he
• 33:23
  had an AI actually give him the plans for and plan a terror
• 33:27
  attack for him with a specific target and it gave him a
• 33:32
  manifesto even though he didn't give it a political reason.
• 33:35
  It just like gave a general manifesto.
• 33:38
  That sounds spooky like and then I see what happened to Charlie
• 33:43
  Kirk shooter and I see like, does a 20 year old kid think of
• 33:47
  this plan that people are literally saying when they saw
• 33:50
  it, this must be a professional. Now I'm thinking it's he did
• 33:54
  some things maybe that people saw that way because an AI told
• 33:58
  him that was how to do it. That's what I think.
• 34:01
  Yeah, but you know, I I know people said that immediately
• 34:04
  because of the shot and all that.
• 34:06
  And then you, you know, all of the news channels, whether it's
• 34:10
  Fox or MSNBC or, you know, ABC, he had their own experts on who
• 34:16
  are military, and they all were saying no, that's an easy shot.
• 34:20
  Anybody. I mean, if you've shot a 30 off
• 34:23
  6, you don't like to think about such horrible things.
• 34:26
  But it's not a hard shot, right? And that's what those guns are
• 34:30
  made to do specifically, actually.
• 34:32
  Yeah, so a lot of that, a lot of that stuff gets debunked.
• 34:36
  I mean, I saw him go off the building, right?
• 34:40
  And. That's what I mean when I say
• 34:42
  like, that's the kind of thing the AI would say.
• 34:44
  Oh yeah, and you can jump off the building and if you roll
• 34:47
  you'll be OK or something like that.
• 34:49
  Like and these zoomers man I I people underestimate how many of
• 34:53
  them are listening to AI every day of their life for a basic
• 34:57
  shit. Yeah.
• 34:59
  Well, that's yeah, hopefully, hopefully that's not a basic
• 35:03
  thing that you're doing. You know, the idea that you're
• 35:06
  planning to assassinate someone, which.
• 35:08
  No, but it would surprise me for somebody of that generation to
• 35:12
  use it as a normal part of the process because they that's how
• 35:16
  they plan everything. And then I see the things that
• 35:20
  look a little action movie, movie E, like jumping off a
• 35:24
  building, and I'm like, but that's the kind of thing an AI
• 35:26
  would tell you to do. That's just my suspicion,
• 35:30
  anyway. Well, it's kind of interesting.
• 35:33
  I don't know much about that building, so I wouldn't know if
• 35:36
  there's another way off the roof.
• 35:38
  But he obviously didn't plan anything else.
• 35:41
  And you know, I thought it was a pretty good jump.
• 35:45
  I wouldn't. It was a good jump.
• 35:48
  That's true. I've jumped.
• 35:50
  And that's the other thing. When people were like, whoa, he
• 35:53
  jumped off that. That's like a professional.
• 35:55
  I'm like, I used to have a barn behind my house.
• 35:58
  It was about the same height from the 2nd floor.
• 36:01
  And I jumped off that motherfucker for fun.
• 36:04
  You know, this was like a thing. We'd get drunk and we'd jump out
• 36:07
  of the barn onto the ground, ha ha, ha.
• 36:09
  Sometimes the guy would fall wrong and hurt his ankle and
• 36:12
  we'd all laugh at him. Like, no, you can make a one
• 36:15
  story jump without destroying your whole body.
• 36:19
  Yeah, especially if you do it like he did.
• 36:21
  The guy obviously wasn't, you know, he's physically fit enough
• 36:24
  to take the fall. So I, I have to ask Dennis, you
• 36:31
  mentioned that you started out wanting to major in journalism.
• 36:36
  What made you decide to switch to law?
• 36:40
  And then the other thing I have to ask is.
• 36:42
  Go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 36:44
  I, I have to ask too, I see in your background you have a lot
• 36:49
  of, you know, books of Trump and Reagan and whatnot.
• 36:55
  So it seems to me that up there too, you're, it seems to me that
• 36:59
  you, I don't want to assume anything, but you seem to be
• 37:03
  very, you know, conservative. And so I have to ask, what's it
• 37:09
  like being a conservative attorney as well?
• 37:13
  In Illinois. Yeah, in Illinois.
• 37:16
  Land, basically. All right, well, let's see,
• 37:18
  we'll we'll take, you know, the first part of that question.
• 37:23
  Yes, I thought I would be a journalist and when I when I
• 37:27
  graduated from college, you know, on a, before I actually
• 37:31
  graduated the year before, you know, I was talked into taking
• 37:35
  the LSAT just hey, you never know, take it.
• 37:40
  My parents were telling me my older brother was already in law
• 37:44
  school. So I said, OK, I'll go do that.
• 37:47
  And I did. And you know, luckily I, I went
• 37:52
  then because the day after I was playing football and broke my
• 37:56
  arm and I couldn't have taken it if it was the next week, but you
• 38:01
  know, so I had that in my back pocket.
• 38:03
  I did well on the test and I thought, OK, I've got it there,
• 38:08
  but I still want to do the journalism thing.
• 38:11
  And when I got out, there were two job offers.
• 38:14
  One was in Iowa at a radio station making I believe it was
• 38:19
  $13,000 a year. The other one was in Arkansas
• 38:24
  for $9000. I was I was working at the time
• 38:29
  part time at a grocery store. I was making 14,000 part time
• 38:34
  and I thought well this is stupid.
• 38:36
  I agreed. I think is what took me towards
• 38:39
  the law saying well. I thought that is the writers
• 38:43
  fucking conundrum, right? Is so many writers come out of
• 38:46
  college with that exact thing. Is like I can make more doing
• 38:50
  minimum wage than the thing that I want to do when I start out,
• 38:53
  Yeah. And if I, if I didn't have the,
• 38:57
  the law school test, the LSAT and I had a good score and I
• 39:01
  thought, OK, I can do that and I can keep working at this grocery
• 39:05
  store making 14,000 or so and part time I, you know, let's do
• 39:11
  that. And I can always go back to
• 39:13
  journalism and I'll have this law degree.
• 39:15
  So that was kind of the, the plan, you know, in Illinois.
• 39:21
  Yeah, we, when I started in law school, here's the downside.
• 39:24
  There were 35,000 attorneys. Three years later when I
• 39:28
  graduated, there were 70,000, I believe.
• 39:31
  Now there's 85,090 thousand. It's like everybody got the
• 39:35
  idea, let's be an attorney. And that's not good for those of
• 39:39
  us that want to make money, You know you you need.
• 39:41
  That's what happened to everybody in my class that went
• 39:44
  to school for IT. There you.
• 39:47
  Go Yeah, yeah, everybody jams in.
• 39:50
  And it's probably the same way like Mike Rowe talks about, hey,
• 39:54
  people, we need plumbers, we need electricians, we need and
• 39:57
  we do. But you know, I wasn't, I
• 40:00
  probably wouldn't be the guy to do that because I I can't put
• 40:03
  anything together or fix anything.
• 40:05
  So it was probably going to have to be something.
• 40:08
  This is America. We need lawyers too.
• 40:11
  We need, we need lawyers to sue each other.
• 40:13
  And you know, but practicing, I'll tell you there's.
• 40:16
  Are you ever get accused of something you understand you
• 40:19
  need a lawyer in this country? Well, you do and you could find
• 40:24
  one, but you know, I was in Will County, which is one of our
• 40:28
  collar counties. You know you have Cook County's
• 40:31
  the big one then like I'm in DuPage and then Will County.
• 40:34
  But I practiced basically 7 or 8 different counties over the
• 40:39
  time. But I was in Will County on some
• 40:41
  case. I was representing the developer
• 40:44
  at the time and in the courtroom that day.
• 40:47
  And it usually doesn't happen, but one of my brothers was there
• 40:52
  as an attorney representing someone and there were several
• 40:55
  attorneys sitting around and some of them I knew.
• 40:59
  So I did. But I was sharing my thoughts
• 41:02
  and I was a tad more conservative than probably
• 41:05
  everybody there. And I had to walk away to talk
• 41:08
  to a client. And what I did, one of the
• 41:11
  attorneys who didn't know it was my brother said, boy, that guy's
• 41:15
  a conservative nut. And I thought, and he told me
• 41:19
  that later. I thought, no, you guys are all
• 41:21
  nuts. I mean.
• 41:23
  Yeah, it happens when you have the most basic opinions.
• 41:26
  Like I get that label and I'm like a hardcore punk rock
• 41:32
  metalhead, former bouncer, right?
• 41:34
  And like so I'm expected obviously to be some kind of far
• 41:39
  left. Same here.
• 41:42
  Yeah, but frankly, Far Left is not punk rock and hasn't been
• 41:46
  since I was a child. You know, they are the system.
• 41:51
  They are the Pink Floyd, the Wall.
• 41:54
  They're the fascists. That's like them now.
• 41:57
  You can't have a thought, You can't have an opinion.
• 42:00
  And it's crazy when your opinions are like, really mild.
• 42:04
  And both. Art, man, the censorship of art
• 42:08
  drives me up a wall. Yeah, 1000% I, I was, I was also
• 42:14
  going to say that both Mortis and I have physical disabilities
• 42:21
  and the amount of the amount of like lefties who are shocked a
• 42:28
  when they find out that I'm more conservative.
• 42:30
  Or it got called an Uncle Tom of.
• 42:33
  Disabled people. Yeah.
• 42:36
  I've been He's not on the far left.
• 42:39
  Mort. Mort is.
• 42:41
  Slightly right of center. Yeah, Mort is like Mort didn't
• 42:46
  even vote most of his adult life, but that's not enough for
• 42:51
  them. I, when I, yeah, when I, when I
• 42:56
  was in college, I was, I was told that even though I'm
• 43:01
  disabled, I have too much privilege because I'm white.
• 43:07
  I'm a white male, you know, in the middle class class.
• 43:12
  Same idiots run around screaming that they're neurodivergent and
• 43:17
  it's like you understand that that includes things like
• 43:21
  cerebral palsy, right? So you're the comparison is if I
• 43:25
  have, you know, a low level neurological disorder, I'm
• 43:29
  somehow the same as somebody like Sam or Bort is kind of
• 43:32
  offensive in and of itself. But no, go on, you know, yeah,
• 43:37
  things like that. I see.
• 43:39
  It's like. You know, the Internet isn't
• 43:42
  that. We can't.
• 43:43
  Even use the word cripple, and we've cited it's used in the
• 43:46
  Bible for one. And also that's the word he
• 43:49
  identifies with. I thought that was what we were
• 43:51
  supposed to go with. However you identify, you get to
• 43:55
  choose. I think the problem you see it
• 43:58
  even with, you know, anything now during political discourse,
• 44:03
  right. If you if you're against, you
• 44:08
  know, an open border, for instance, you're a racist.
• 44:11
  It's like, no, I'm against an open border.
• 44:15
  I mean, I don't care who's coming in.
• 44:16
  It could be a bunch of, you know, old white guys like me
• 44:21
  walk it in and there. I I want there are illegal
• 44:25
  immigrants in Boston and around it that are Irish.
• 44:29
  That's the same ancestry as me man.
• 44:31
  They need to go back too. I stand by that.
• 44:35
  They are illegal. They are here.
• 44:36
  They've overstayed their visa or whatever it is just like it.
• 44:39
  I don't play no favorites in this game, you know, because I
• 44:44
  know so many legal immigrants that struggled so hard to get
• 44:47
  here. It's not even like a like it's
• 44:49
  like I'm I'm defending other people of the same ethnicity in
• 44:54
  the same breath. But no go on about racism,
• 44:57
  right? Well, when it becomes, it's the
• 44:59
  same way with Mandami being elected in New York.
• 45:03
  I had people today tell me, you know, because he's Muslim,
• 45:08
  you're a racist if you don't, you know, I don't like him
• 45:12
  obviously, as you can tell probably by the books and our
• 45:15
  conversation. But I'm like, no, I generally
• 45:19
  don't like him because he's a socialist, maybe a communist.
• 45:23
  And that's well and. His policies of some of them,
• 45:29
  you can exactly see what's going to be wrong with them already,
• 45:33
  like a government run grocery store, like we know how that
• 45:36
  goes. But I also there's the thing a
• 45:39
  lot of people don't realize, right, is that they that the
• 45:42
  Republican side just kind of gave up on this election until
• 45:46
  it was, oh, vote for Cuomo. Well, here's the reality of
• 45:50
  that. The people of New York weren't
• 45:54
  going to vote for Cuomo. It wasn't.
• 45:59
  If you tell them establishment guy or new guy, at this point
• 46:02
  they're just going to pick the new guy.
• 46:05
  They don't even care that he's a socialist.
• 46:07
  A lot of them, they just care. He's not Cuomo.
• 46:10
  Yeah. Also, if anybody in your family
• 46:13
  was killed in the COVID lockdowns because because
• 46:17
  Cuomo's brother put them into a nursing home, you probably
• 46:22
  wouldn't vote for him as well. And that's, that's a lot of
• 46:25
  people in New York City. People would be surprised how
• 46:27
  many people lost a loved one because of the decision that
• 46:31
  Cuomo made as governor. Yeah, I mean, I I think Cuomo
• 46:37
  was a bad. I don't know why Cuomo even ran
• 46:40
  honestly, because. They had nobody and they got the
• 46:43
  caught with their pants down that both Democrats and
• 46:46
  Republicans in that race got caught with their pants down.
• 46:49
  And that's why he's now the mayor.
• 46:51
  That's why. But it's still, it's just New
• 46:54
  York City. I don't live there.
• 46:56
  I would probably not want to continue to live there anyway,
• 46:59
  no matter who was the mayor if I did.
• 47:03
  It's really not surprising to me either, because New New York was
• 47:07
  headed so far left as was that to me.
• 47:11
  This is really my own, this is really my only take on it is it
• 47:16
  kind of seemed like this was an eventuality for New York.
• 47:21
  And hopefully they kind of, you know, now they're going to be
• 47:28
  subject to this. And in four years, hopefully
• 47:31
  they can wake up and say, oh, we've made a mistake so.
• 47:35
  Maybe we'll see. But some of these, you know,
• 47:39
  some of these ideas that Mandami has put forth, you know, they've
• 47:43
  been tried and they've failed, you know, not only in other
• 47:47
  countries. I mean, even the grocery store
• 47:49
  idea, you know, the government run grocery store, the one in
• 47:52
  Kansas City just closed this this year after losing out of
• 47:56
  $18 million. At some point we have to look at
• 48:01
  the past, the history, right? The government.
• 48:04
  Yeah. Ran in liquor stores.
• 48:05
  OK for a long time the liquor stores in Massachusetts were run
• 48:09
  by the government until they went so bankrupt that they
• 48:13
  started selling licenses right before prohibition hit.
• 48:17
  Then they when they reopened back up after prohibition, shock
• 48:21
  of shocks, they have private stores now instead of government
• 48:26
  runs. Another place though you can see
• 48:28
  the government run liquor stores still to this day is New
• 48:31
  Hampshire and they suck. They're terrible, you know what
• 48:37
  I mean? The prices are I guess
• 48:39
  reasonable, but otherwise, if you want anything stocked, you
• 48:43
  know, nobody there is like like you go to a liquor store, unless
• 48:47
  you're like some goofball that's just going to buy Bud Light or
• 48:50
  whatever, you know, You're like, hey, what do you know?
• 48:53
  Do you talk to people and get recommendations of things and
• 48:56
  what's the special kind of thing?
• 48:57
  Not at a government run liquor store you don't.
• 49:01
  It's like the DMV, only with booths.
• 49:04
  And I imagine maybe some people would like a grocery store like
• 49:09
  that. But the other thing is, is the
• 49:10
  government can't manage a paper bag.
• 49:13
  And so every time they run a store, they go bankrupt.
• 49:16
  And you don't have to look to the USSR to find examples of
• 49:19
  this. You can look right here in
• 49:20
  America. Right.
• 49:22
  Detroit also had publicly run grocery stores for a short time.
• 49:26
  A very short time. Yeah, the idea, it's been
• 49:29
  discussed in Chicago too. They haven't done it yet.
• 49:32
  But yeah, the, the idea is silly.
• 49:36
  It's, you know, but you would think at some point the voters
• 49:40
  would demand that you not come up with that, You come up with
• 49:42
  something besides a lie of the past.
• 49:45
  Because it's a response to a problem of the present, which is
• 49:48
  the food deserts that they suffer in these major cities.
• 49:52
  And so the people, this is the problem is the, you know, you're
• 49:56
  offering bread and circus to the starving folk and they need the
• 49:59
  bread, you know, And so that's what he's selling.
• 50:03
  He's selling them bread and circus.
• 50:05
  They bought it. We'll see how that works out for
• 50:08
  New York City. Didn't work out for Rome so
• 50:10
  well. But, you know, I, I, I think, I
• 50:16
  think there are a lot of Republicans freaking out over
• 50:18
  it. It's like, do you live there?
• 50:20
  One, do you do business there? In a lot of cases, a lot of us
• 50:24
  too, whether we know it or not, New York City is the epicenter
• 50:28
  of a lot of East Coast business. But generally speaking, is this
• 50:32
  going to disrupt your business? Probably not, unless you do a
• 50:35
  lot of business there. And so for a lot of us, it
• 50:38
  doesn't affect us at all. And it's probably better to just
• 50:40
  chill and watch the results and then laugh at it, because I
• 50:44
  believe that God favors the funny.
• 50:47
  Well, whether whether that's true or not, I think what what
• 50:51
  does happen is in politics, you see this back and forth, right?
• 50:57
  I mean, why does the party, you know, that has the presidency
• 51:00
  tend to lose in the next election?
• 51:03
  It. It's almost constant.
• 51:06
  I mean, there's been exceptions, but at the same way here we have
• 51:09
  this first election after the Trump victory, the Republican
• 51:12
  victory. And you know, maybe, you know,
• 51:15
  some of that doesn't matter because of most of it's blue
• 51:18
  state and New York blue city. But I think the problem the
• 51:22
  Democrats have is this guy is going to be a spokesman, much
• 51:26
  like AOCI think it it helps people like AOC and Bernie
• 51:31
  Sanders within the party. And that's exactly the wrong way
• 51:34
  that the Democrats should be going.
• 51:36
  They should be going the other way.
• 51:39
  Do you feel like? Is often on about this
• 51:42
  particular subject about young people in economics that they
• 51:47
  that he finds in in he just went to Business School and so he
• 51:51
  just got out. So he's around a lot of these
• 51:53
  people that they're not actually looking at things through like
• 51:57
  the traditional Marxist blend of their millennial peers, but
• 52:01
  they're more looking at things like technology and how it can
• 52:05
  enhance markets. And a lot of them, I forget what
• 52:08
  he called them Abundance Democrats.
• 52:10
  They're young kids coming up with ideas.
• 52:13
  They're, they're more center left type Democrats.
• 52:16
  They have no voice in the party, right?
• 52:18
  None at all 'cause it's kids. But they're coming up with ideas
• 52:22
  like looking at cost benefits of things and reforms to certain
• 52:27
  systems like the food stamp system, which is something I've
• 52:31
  advocated a long time to where the abuses are excessive.
• 52:35
  And it's, it's just interesting to me that that those young
• 52:39
  Democrats talking about bread and butter issues and economics
• 52:43
  are being frozen out for the traditional just screechy
• 52:46
  people. Call them a racist and demand
• 52:50
  whatever you're demanding Infinite free stuff forever,
• 52:54
  right? The millennial Democrat in a
• 52:56
  nutshell. No offense, millennial
• 52:58
  Democrats, but that's exactly your policies.
• 53:02
  A lot of boomer Democrats too, to be fair.
• 53:05
  Yeah, I. Makes sense though, because
• 53:09
  millennials and boomers, I mean, that's the our parent
• 53:12
  Millennials, that's our parents, right?
• 53:14
  So of course we're millennial Democrats and Boomer Democrats
• 53:17
  are the free stuff forever crowd and the judge mental one.
• 53:21
  It's almost like they learned it.
• 53:22
  It's almost like they think they're rebelling against their
• 53:24
  parents, right? But they're not shocker.
• 53:30
  Or at least they get to about 30 and they realize that their
• 53:33
  parents weren't as crazy as they thought.
• 53:34
  Now, the conservative side of that, I have hope for
• 53:38
  conservative millennials when they realized that their parents
• 53:41
  weren't completely crazy, just like have a family, you know,
• 53:45
  And their side, they mutilate their body and then tell
• 53:49
  everybody to call them by a different name.
• 53:52
  And I think that one of these things is worse than the other.
• 53:57
  And for that, I am every istin phobe in the world.
• 54:01
  Sam. I don't know how I'd do it.
• 54:05
  Well. It's really fun to just have a
• 54:08
  kid and get married though, like that's.
• 54:10
  It is all the. I know they sell you on the
• 54:14
  other one where you're just like, do whatever weird thing
• 54:18
  you want and nobody owns you and you're your own person, but man,
• 54:23
  is it really fun to build a life with somebody and have a kid.
• 54:26
  That's that's cool to me. That's why I'm corny.
• 54:31
  It is, although I I have to ask, you know, Speaking of, you know,
• 54:38
  crazy, you know, off these in this room court.
• 54:42
  How do you feel about like, you know, Justice Kontenge Jackson
• 54:49
  Browne, you know, she's supposedly a legal scholar.
• 54:54
  How do you feel about like your fellow?
• 54:56
  Attorney, one of the finest legal minds.
• 54:58
  Oh, you were asking him? Never mind.
• 55:00
  Yeah. How do you how do you feel about
• 55:02
  a fellow attorney not being able to like, you know, define a
• 55:06
  woman during her confirmation hearing?
• 55:10
  Like that's got to be painful for you.
• 55:15
  Yeah. The whole process has become
• 55:19
  painful though, right? Because now they don't want to
• 55:22
  answer any real questions. And honestly, the people it's
• 55:26
  asking the questions don't care what you answer.
• 55:29
  And nobody's determining anything based on what your
• 55:32
  answer is. You know, unfortunately for her,
• 55:35
  you can look like a fool rather than just answering the
• 55:38
  question. I think sometimes they've been
• 55:42
  coached so much that they're they don't want to say anything
• 55:45
  that could be controversial. I mean, it would have been
• 55:48
  simple enough to answer that question and it wouldn't have
• 55:51
  derailed her ascension to the Supreme Court in any way.
• 55:57
  You know it. All she did was give people like
• 56:00
  Gutfeld and comedians all over the country a little information
• 56:05
  to throw into their act and it it's, it's embarrassing for.
• 56:08
  And they've been doing this for a long time, but we haven't been
• 56:12
  pointing it and laughing at it until recently because there's
• 56:16
  this element to their act. And it is an act where they're
• 56:19
  like, I'm not doing that thing you're talking about.
• 56:23
  And you're like, you know it, I know it.
• 56:26
  Everybody fucking looking at it knows it.
• 56:29
  Don't give me this crap and look at me with your cutesy little
• 56:32
  I'm innocent, I'm not touching you.
• 56:34
  That's basically their, the way they argue.
• 56:36
  I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you.
• 56:39
  That's the left, right, Because they are touching you and they
• 56:42
  know they're touching you and you know they're touching you,
• 56:44
  but they're trying to tell everybody they're not touching
• 56:47
  you. And you're just like, you know
• 56:47
  what? You're so disingenuous.
• 56:49
  I don't want to hear what you have to say at all.
• 56:52
  Well, ever since Robert Bork, you know, they, they ended up
• 56:56
  now it's called being Borked, you know, if you, if you get
• 57:00
  derailed and they, the whole thing is this guy had a lot of
• 57:04
  writing, you know, that he had done.
• 57:06
  So they were able to throw out a lot of issues and hard to
• 57:09
  backtrack on that when you're the guy writing it.
• 57:12
  So now we get people, you know, who perhaps can't define what a
• 57:17
  woman is and have no writing to speak of.
• 57:20
  We have, we have an idea of what they're going to do on the court
• 57:23
  because of who appointed them, which is not what we should be
• 57:26
  looking at. We should, you know, hopefully
• 57:28
  get nine of the best scholars for the Supreme Court.
• 57:32
  That's the. Theory, right?
• 57:34
  Like the nine best legal minds would be who you'd want there.
• 57:38
  You would, but I'm afraid you don't get much of that.
• 57:41
  I mean, I think there's a couple that are very good, but.
• 57:44
  There have been a couple. But there should be, there
• 57:47
  should be 9. I mean, we have an awful lot of
• 57:50
  attorneys in this country, but we're so used to just putting up
• 57:56
  political people and trying to get them through the nomination
• 57:59
  process. When I say good legal minds, I
• 58:02
  don't even necessarily just mean all of the conservative justices
• 58:05
  'cause I think Ruth Bader Ginsburg was like, if you
• 58:09
  actually read a lot of what she put out there, it was less
• 58:12
  disagreeable than people paint her to be now that she's passed.
• 58:17
  You know, like, for example, she'd always said that Roe V.
• 58:21
  Wade should have been overturned anyway, like she was, and people
• 58:25
  don't understand that, but she said it should have been done as
• 58:28
  a law. It shouldn't be contingent on a
• 58:31
  Supreme Court ruling. Now, they've made her the face
• 58:34
  of the opposite of what she believes, which is wild to me.
• 58:39
  But that's because they never read one of the ruling she
• 58:41
  handed out. I, I like to read those because
• 58:44
  I think it's, especially if it's a relevant case of some kind,
• 58:48
  maybe just because I'm a nerd, but I do think it's important
• 58:51
  and you get to know different justices kind of stylings.
• 58:56
  And they really only come in two flavors, as do they?
• 59:00
  Are they a constitutionalist or do they do whatever they want
• 59:03
  based on political? Yeah, and I shouldn't.
• 59:07
  Have any of the second one? But I think part of the problem
• 59:10
  is you. You'll read people you know.
• 59:13
  It'll be interesting to see how Justice Thomas is treated by
• 59:17
  history because I've read a lot of the stuff and I find it easy
• 59:22
  to read and he has good logic and and he backs it up with
• 59:28
  legal precedent. And if you were to talk to some
• 59:33
  people who review the Supreme Court report on it or
• 59:36
  historians, they have a different view of him.
• 59:40
  And it's unfair, but that's the way it goes.
• 59:45
  Yeah, kind of piggybacking off of that, I get what is your
• 59:50
  biggest, I don't necessarily want to say concern or fear, but
• 59:56
  what do you feel legally is going to be a big issue in the
• 1:00:02
  future that we might not be considering right now in in your
• 1:00:09
  mind? In general or politically, I
• 1:00:14
  mean. I think politically and as.
• 1:00:18
  Kind of spam. And kind of legally, I guess.
• 1:00:23
  Yeah. So I think.
• 1:00:24
  He says to make it bigger. To make.
• 1:00:27
  Well, yeah, that way you can pick anything though, I mean.
• 1:00:30
  True, yeah. And I do think, you know, I
• 1:00:34
  think AI is going to play a part in everything.
• 1:00:37
  That was actually going to be my answer to like I'm looking at
• 1:00:41
  stuff with AI, like I said about if you haven't looked into like
• 1:00:45
  AI induced delusions or psychosis, it's crazy.
• 1:00:49
  It's it's way more prevalent than we'd ever thought in the
• 1:00:51
  past year or so and it's having disastrous results for people.
• 1:00:57
  So that's immediately as just layperson, not legally minded.
• 1:01:01
  You know, guy, I'm like my first legal thing that we're going to
• 1:01:04
  struggle with is definitely AI because who let's say there's a
• 1:01:08
  case right now actually in the Supreme Court where there's the
• 1:01:12
  parents are suing open AI because it instructed their
• 1:01:16
  child, 16 year old child to kill himself and how.
• 1:01:21
  Yeah. And, and I think that I believe.
• 1:01:24
  It's being opened up to be a class action suit for multiple
• 1:01:28
  people, but that's the primary case.
• 1:01:31
  I'm sorry. I, I think, you know, there's so
• 1:01:34
  many aspects to it and it's so new, but people are finding out
• 1:01:38
  that so much can be done. Everything from we've had
• 1:01:41
  several cases where attorneys have used AI for research
• 1:01:46
  purposes and put that in memos and briefs and giving it to the
• 1:01:51
  court without. Flat out wrong.
• 1:01:54
  He made-up. Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  There have been people who have cited cases that don't exist
• 1:01:59
  because AI wants to please you. So sometimes they come up with
• 1:02:03
  things that really don't exist. That's a problem, I think in
• 1:02:06
  general, legally, I think politically, you know, we've
• 1:02:10
  seen the start of that problem with the cases against Trump
• 1:02:15
  where we're using the justice system to go after our enemies.
• 1:02:19
  And then we become, you know, our democracy.
• 1:02:22
  You know, everybody on the left talks about saving democracy.
• 1:02:25
  Well, what do you have if your court system, if your justice
• 1:02:28
  system is gone, if you are going to go after your opponent,
• 1:02:34
  depending on who wins, a you're going to get a lot of people
• 1:02:37
  that aren't going to want to serve.
• 1:02:38
  No one's going to. I'm not sure that people have it
• 1:02:43
  in their head, especially younger people that like the
• 1:02:47
  judiciary. Is that firewall against
• 1:02:51
  dictatorship? Like I honestly don't think
• 1:02:54
  people know why there's three branches of government anymore.
• 1:02:58
  I don't think we teach kids civics like at all.
• 1:03:01
  In fact, I know 'cause I talked to a lot of recent graduates,
• 1:03:04
  right, that they're not being taught civics in high school or
• 1:03:08
  in college at all, in any variety to the degree even I got
• 1:03:13
  as a kid in the 80s, nineties. Right now to now, they don't
• 1:03:19
  know the three branches of government and why they might
• 1:03:23
  know that there are three, right?
• 1:03:26
  But I got it explained to me why there was 3.
• 1:03:28
  The judiciary is essentially to essentially to handle all
• 1:03:32
  disputes, right? And that that it's an Arbor and
• 1:03:35
  Co equal to the others and the check on everything.
• 1:03:38
  They don't really get into checks and balances and things
• 1:03:41
  like that with kids nowadays. And so of course they grow up in
• 1:03:44
  the world not knowing any of that shit and not caring.
• 1:03:47
  Well, and I, I guess that was kind of, you know, that that
• 1:03:53
  part of the question why I was asking it the way I did, Dennis,
• 1:03:58
  is because to me, kind of looking from an outsider's
• 1:04:03
  perspective and you know, someone younger in my 30s, to
• 1:04:08
  me, it seems like a lot of these younger lawyers coming up are
• 1:04:15
  more activists. It seems more and more like if
• 1:04:21
  you want to get into a legal firm or something like that,
• 1:04:24
  it's more of you know, who do you know and what not as opposed
• 1:04:28
  to how good are you at interpreting?
• 1:04:31
  And a lot I'm I'm just curious if you have any insights on that
• 1:04:35
  or what your general thoughts on?
• 1:04:37
  Always been a. Lot as far as that go.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah, I mean, I, I think we've always had the problem of people
• 1:04:45
  maybe being hired for purposes other than they're the best
• 1:04:48
  attorney or the best graduate. But I think now the you do have
• 1:04:56
  this problem that's prevailing through, it goes through not
• 1:04:59
  only law, I, you know, journalism for sure, where
• 1:05:03
  they're becoming activists. They think they're, they've
• 1:05:07
  chosen to be honest, one side or the other.
• 1:05:10
  We're in law. It used to be pretty simple,
• 1:05:14
  right? Whoever pays you is who you're
• 1:05:15
  representing and that's it. Whether you've got your own
• 1:05:19
  firm, you're working for a bigger firm, or you know, you
• 1:05:22
  could be working for the government, that's your your
• 1:05:26
  client. That's who you're supposed to
• 1:05:28
  represent. Now, I think some of them are
• 1:05:31
  filing cases even where they're almost they're fighting anything
• 1:05:37
  to get into court and make laws. We see it with immigration, for
• 1:05:42
  instance, where people are, you know, coming up with theories
• 1:05:48
  that have never been done before, but they know if they
• 1:05:51
  can get in front of an activist judge, they can get an order
• 1:05:55
  that basically gives them what they want.
• 1:05:57
  Maybe it only lasts a month or less as it goes up the court
• 1:06:01
  system, but sometimes it can last, you know, a few years
• 1:06:05
  before the Supreme Court gets it.
• 1:06:07
  So I think it is a problem. Where an example of that here in
• 1:06:11
  Massachusetts, our current governor Healy, when she was
• 1:06:14
  attorney general ordered as a health crisis that semi
• 1:06:19
  automatic handguns or all semi automatics be banned.
• 1:06:24
  That got overturned by the Massachusetts Supreme Court.
• 1:06:26
  It took, I think, 3 or 4 years. And in the meantime, yeah, it
• 1:06:31
  made people criminals who otherwise owned guns.
• 1:06:35
  And it's still in the courts to a degree, even though it was
• 1:06:38
  overturned. It's been appealed again, you
• 1:06:42
  know, And that's, I often on the show bring up Kurt Doolittle.
• 1:06:46
  I don't know if you're familiar, but he is as a philosopher,
• 1:06:52
  essentially, he runs the Natural Law Institute and and his big
• 1:06:57
  thing for years has been like we on the conservative side of
• 1:07:01
  things need to get better at law Fair because it's being used
• 1:07:04
  against us aggressively all the time.
• 1:07:07
  And also if you are like a patriotic, if you're pro
• 1:07:10
  America, if you believe in this country, you would look to
• 1:07:13
  history. How a lot of those problems get
• 1:07:16
  solved is when it eventually gets to the Supreme Court.
• 1:07:19
  He's actually even the institute is getting a case through their
• 1:07:24
  ultimate goals to get it ruled on by the Supreme Court.
• 1:07:26
  Right now. They're working their way
• 1:07:29
  through the system. That's kind of their activism.
• 1:07:32
  But for that reason, that's why I'm more aware of like legal
• 1:07:35
  stuff and law fair than I was before.
• 1:07:40
  Because Kurt is right, once you start looking at it is like,
• 1:07:43
  that's the way they hit you around the like, yes, Antifa, I
• 1:07:48
  face down in the streets and they're they're like the street
• 1:07:51
  thug element of that side. But the legal element of that
• 1:07:55
  side is, you know, they're going at the edges of your rights.
• 1:08:00
  Essentially they're eating at the the the around the edge of
• 1:08:05
  like you got to do this now and now we made a law that you can't
• 1:08:09
  have a gas stove and all this stuff.
• 1:08:11
  It's like they eat in through law fair.
• 1:08:15
  And it's because they're always filing cases and grievances in
• 1:08:19
  every state in every for political reasons and finding,
• 1:08:22
  like you said, activist judges who will give it to them.
• 1:08:27
  Yeah, it's a it's a challenge. It's like a slot machine.
• 1:08:29
  Sometimes they get 3 activist judges lined up and then that's
• 1:08:33
  the law. Right.
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  Well, when you see now, well, there for a while you saw it
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  where District Court judges at the federal level would, you
• 1:08:44
  know, make an order and apply it to the whole country.
• 1:08:47
  It's like, wait a minute, this it, it was a little crazy.
• 1:08:50
  The Supreme Court had to jump in.
• 1:08:52
  A lot of them coming from Rhode Island and Massachusetts and
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  it's I believe that because they think that they are in charge of
• 1:09:01
  the whole world. A lot of times around here our
• 1:09:04
  legal system takes itself very seriously.
• 1:09:08
  Well, right, it's, it's forum shopping where these attorneys
• 1:09:12
  know, hey, we'll file it in the Rhode Island court.
• 1:09:16
  We know we're going to get a judge because out of all those
• 1:09:19
  judges, there's no conservative. So one of them is going to do
• 1:09:22
  well for us, you know, So it's, it's a problem with the legal
• 1:09:26
  system. I mean, I think 2 of the big
• 1:09:29
  issues, you know, for this country are fixing the legal
• 1:09:33
  system and fixing the media. Well, and, and that's honestly
• 1:09:40
  part of the reason why. That's why I brought up because
• 1:09:44
  that's yeah, that's their 2 mission statements.
• 1:09:47
  Yeah, well, that's, that's one of the reasons why your e-mail,
• 1:09:52
  you know, and you're interested in coming on the show and
• 1:09:55
  intrigued me is, you know, I know a few other, you know,
• 1:10:01
  conservatives who are attorneys, but they they they often feel
• 1:10:06
  like very isolated and, you know, alone.
• 1:10:09
  And they can't really say much of anything because it might
• 1:10:13
  impact, you know, relationships that they have in the law, you
• 1:10:20
  know, world or something because of all these activists.
• 1:10:24
  So yeah. That leads me, I have a
• 1:10:28
  question, Sam, does writing this book, did writing this book,
• 1:10:33
  were you worried it might impact you in your in your legal career
• 1:10:37
  for those reasons? Because it's obviously about
• 1:10:39
  Trump. So it's a hot button issue.
• 1:10:43
  Yeah, I mean, there, there's some of that, there's still a
• 1:10:45
  worry about that. But I would say, you know, where
• 1:10:48
  I'm at in my my life. You know, if that were, if that
• 1:10:53
  were to become a negative, then so be it.
• 1:10:56
  I think in the end it's a lot of people.
• 1:10:59
  Are there now right? And it, you know, I, I firmly
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  believe, and I've had this conversation with others that if
• 1:11:07
  someone doesn't set history straight right away, you know,
• 1:11:12
  I, I quote in the book Philip Graham, who was the publisher of
• 1:11:17
  the Washington Post. He, he got the job the old
• 1:11:20
  fashioned way. He he married the daughter of
• 1:11:23
  the publisher and then was promoted up.
• 1:11:26
  So it's been happening everywhere but he.
• 1:11:29
  Was not nepotism. That's the worst thing ever.
• 1:11:33
  Right. But you know, hey, just because
• 1:11:37
  you didn't think of it. We all hate nepotism until our
• 1:11:41
  uncle can get us a good job. Right.
• 1:11:44
  But, you know, Philip Graham's point was that, you know,
• 1:11:47
  newspapers are the 1st, you know, recorders of history.
• 1:11:52
  And I, I believe that's true. And for Trump, that recording of
• 1:11:56
  history has not been good. I mean, I think the newspapers
• 1:11:59
  by and large have been firmly against him.
• 1:12:02
  I mean, there's, there's many more outlets now, including
• 1:12:05
  podcasts. And with Elon Musk by an axe,
• 1:12:10
  you know, you have a lot of bloggers.
• 1:12:13
  You know, Fox News obviously is the the king of the conservative
• 1:12:17
  journalism. So there are some outlets, but
• 1:12:20
  you're looking at all the main, you know, what they call the
• 1:12:23
  legacy media and what I call the Dem media that is just rock
• 1:12:29
  solid against Trump. They still are.
• 1:12:32
  And I think we need more people to go out there and tell the
• 1:12:35
  story. And I.
• 1:12:39
  Pales in comparison to, like I said, to the numbers that a guy
• 1:12:43
  with a microphone who used to play video games like Asmin Gold
• 1:12:47
  gets, right? And he's not exactly the biggest
• 1:12:50
  Trump guy. He's more of a centrist.
• 1:12:52
  But the point is, is that this guy who just played Wow for
• 1:12:55
  years and lives in a dirty basement actually has more sway
• 1:12:59
  with a larger number of people in what he believes and says
• 1:13:03
  then Fox News, CNNMSNBC because he gets regularly more numbers
• 1:13:07
  than them. Yeah.
• 1:13:08
  Yeah, I should tell you something.
• 1:13:10
  You know what people think of them.
• 1:13:12
  He's known for having a dirty house, but they'll listen to him
• 1:13:15
  before they'll listen to the establishment.
• 1:13:18
  Well, right. They that's in way the media is
• 1:13:21
  changing. They won't change themselves.
• 1:13:24
  So outsiders are changing it. And I think, you know, people,
• 1:13:29
  whether they're doing it on blogs or whether they're doing
• 1:13:31
  it and podcasts or, you know, conservative radio has been big
• 1:13:36
  for years. I think that stories out there.
• 1:13:39
  But it's still our problem is that we are in these cones,
• 1:13:45
  right, of, you know, your echo chambers where you're not sure
• 1:13:49
  you're convincing anybody. You know, if people are reading,
• 1:13:54
  I would hope, you know, in history, the books, you know,
• 1:13:58
  you can pick up a book now and read something and go, oh, well,
• 1:14:01
  it was written 20-30 years ago then you might have more sway.
• 1:14:06
  I think people who would pick up the book now that are, you know,
• 1:14:11
  liberals or progressives, they would probably burn it or argue,
• 1:14:17
  you know, they would say this is all made-up.
• 1:14:19
  Even though we reference in here, there's countless
• 1:14:24
  references to, you know, we didn't just make this up as a
• 1:14:29
  theory here. I've got this idea.
• 1:14:32
  I wouldn't make sure we had documentation to prove the case
• 1:14:36
  that both Burr and Trump were treated unfairly.
• 1:14:39
  And I think it's important for future readers and generations
• 1:14:45
  that sit there and look at it and say, Oh, well, this guy
• 1:14:48
  isn't just given his opinion, he actually backed it up by
• 1:14:52
  referencing something that I can look at.
• 1:14:55
  No, and you're right. These blogs and streams and like
• 1:14:58
  even Fox News are all throwaway content, generally talking about
• 1:15:04
  the day's events that people have forgotten about.
• 1:15:06
  They're not going to go back and pick up a random episode of a
• 1:15:09
  blog, you know, but a book that tells the story is timeless.
• 1:15:14
  That's a good point. And I didn't even consider that.
• 1:15:17
  But so you don't think that there will be much blowback?
• 1:15:20
  I actually don't think that there will either because it's
• 1:15:23
  2025 now and people got so sick of the cancelling like a while
• 1:15:29
  ago. But it's really turned up.
• 1:15:31
  The last two years of people are just like, you know, I actually
• 1:15:34
  never cared about any of that crap, you know, and they're
• 1:15:39
  willing to say it now, which is nice because that's the average
• 1:15:42
  person. It's not even that they that
• 1:15:45
  they are super against trans people or something, they're
• 1:15:48
  just like I never cared right? You made me care against my will
• 1:15:54
  and called me a bad person for not caring enough.
• 1:15:57
  That's all that was. It wasn't that I cared very
• 1:16:00
  deeply for your cause, it's that you're annoying.
• 1:16:04
  Right. And I, I think you're, you're
• 1:16:05
  right in the more people now are willing to fight it.
• 1:16:09
  You know, a few years ago, if they came after you, a lot of
• 1:16:13
  the people they came after just folded, apologize.
• 1:16:16
  You know, all their friends hid. Now it's like, wait a minute,
• 1:16:20
  I'm going to. I'm fighting back.
• 1:16:22
  Part of that is they've learned a lesson that if you do
• 1:16:25
  apologize, they won't. They'll hold it as a guilty
• 1:16:32
  plea. Yeah, yeah, they'll, they'll
• 1:16:38
  hold it over your head. Yeah.
• 1:16:43
  So what has, what has your experience?
• 1:16:46
  Well, when, when did you publish the?
• 1:16:49
  When did you start writing this? Part let's see, I think it
• 1:16:55
  started in June of would have been 2024 around June.
• 1:17:01
  Took me like 6 months to write. It took another five months to
• 1:17:05
  actually get it published, you know, in print and ready to go,
• 1:17:11
  which aggravates me because it's like, wait a minute, if I can
• 1:17:14
  write this, you ought to be able to print it quicker and.
• 1:17:18
  Right. It since May it's been out and
• 1:17:23
  I've been doing, you know, some podcasts, meeting with people,
• 1:17:27
  trying to get it out there as we can.
• 1:17:30
  Why I'm? Our mission here has been ever
• 1:17:33
  since Sam dipped his toe into writing, we've been trying to
• 1:17:36
  support independent authors like crazy because they've been so
• 1:17:39
  supportive of Sam. Right.
• 1:17:42
  So hopefully you know people pick pick your book up just by.
• 1:17:45
  But usually he does the interviews by himself on not the
• 1:17:48
  live show. I'm not usually there for it
• 1:17:51
  because my shenanigans can be a bit much.
• 1:17:53
  Admittedly, he's a much better interviewer too.
• 1:17:58
  Well, but I appreciate. It because it's like the type of
• 1:18:01
  history I like a lot. Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  Well, and I mean, I think you know you, I think your
• 1:18:08
  perspective of, you know, merging history and, you know,
• 1:18:13
  connecting it to to today's world.
• 1:18:16
  It's something that you would hope is a lot more common, but
• 1:18:21
  unfortunately isn't in in the book.
• 1:18:23
  Mark, Mark. And one of the things that I
• 1:18:26
  guess I'm kind of I haven't even read your book, although I'm
• 1:18:29
  going to pick up a copy now. One of the things just from this
• 1:18:33
  conversation I'm hearing is, you know, between Aaron Burr and
• 1:18:38
  Trump, the more things change, the more they say the same as
• 1:18:41
  the old saying. Yes, history repeats.
• 1:18:46
  You know, I know, you know, Trump, who I, I have a lot of
• 1:18:50
  respect for is, you know, fond of saying nobody's ever been
• 1:18:55
  treated like this before. Well, Aaron Burr would disagree,
• 1:19:00
  I think. Disagree.
• 1:19:03
  Jackson would probably disagree. Right now I I think to.
• 1:19:07
  Some degree and I would disagree with him, but to some degree
• 1:19:10
  Lincoln would disagree with that too.
• 1:19:13
  But if I'm Trump, I'm going to say it anyhow because, oh, most
• 1:19:16
  people are going to go, yeah, you're right.
• 1:19:18
  I. That's the most Trump thing to
• 1:19:20
  say ever. Right.
• 1:19:22
  I and I don't blame him, you know, for everything that he's
• 1:19:26
  gone through. He can say whatever he wants
• 1:19:28
  about these guys. Yeah, I, I know that, you know,
• 1:19:35
  part of big an attorney at least in courts is, you know, it is at
• 1:19:41
  least I would imagine somewhat performative to an extent.
• 1:19:46
  And so would you with that. And then also, do you feel that
• 1:19:53
  a lot of Trump's things are theatric and and whatnot?
• 1:19:59
  Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, first.
• 1:20:02
  Attorneys. Yeah, to some extent you are.
• 1:20:05
  And most of the time you're not in front of a jury.
• 1:20:08
  And the most, most attorneys, I would guess, never appear before
• 1:20:12
  a jury, although television would tell you every hour you're
• 1:20:16
  in front of a different jury. But the truth is you.
• 1:20:20
  Usually doesn't tell you how many cases are actually settled
• 1:20:23
  long before they get to court, but you know.
• 1:20:26
  Or you know what? What's usually the case in
• 1:20:29
  litigation is you spend an awful lot of time dealing with the
• 1:20:32
  other attorney and with the judge in motions and status
• 1:20:38
  States and you really nothing's really happening.
• 1:20:43
  Now there might be a hearing here or there and you can, you
• 1:20:46
  know, give a good performance to use your, your phrase where you
• 1:20:51
  convince a judge. I mean, I've had a few.
• 1:20:55
  There was one where, you know, there was a case, actually I had
• 1:20:59
  left the case. I, I was the first attorney.
• 1:21:02
  I had withdrawn. I did it properly.
• 1:21:05
  They signed off on it, filed it. And this guy had then hired
• 1:21:11
  another attorney and another attorney and he had gone
• 1:21:14
  through, he was on the 4th attorney.
• 1:21:16
  Well, the 4th attorney decided I'm going to sue the other three
• 1:21:20
  attorneys, including me and I. Yeah.
• 1:21:24
  So I can totally do that. You're right.
• 1:21:26
  So I get sued and we're all in court and it's kind of funny
• 1:21:29
  because each one of us has our own table and this is all
• 1:21:32
  emotion. We file motions to dismiss.
• 1:21:35
  I, it looks as if the judge is going to keep me in the case and
• 1:21:41
  I just start screaming basically.
• 1:21:43
  And when you talk about performance and pounding the
• 1:21:47
  desk, it was kind of silly. And I was on my way to
• 1:21:51
  Wisconsin, I thought I told my wife, we'll stop in, we'll be
• 1:21:54
  done in 10 minutes. We'll be on our way.
• 1:21:56
  This thing took from like 9:00 in the morning.
• 1:21:59
  It's 2:00. I'm getting upset at this.
• 1:22:02
  Finally, I, I try to explain to the judge pretty harshly that,
• 1:22:07
  you know, it makes I have the withdrawal.
• 1:22:09
  I've got the sheet right here. Everybody signed off.
• 1:22:12
  How can I possibly be responsible for what the third
• 1:22:16
  attorney did? And she finally, I think just to
• 1:22:19
  get rid of me, said Mr. Brennan is right, he's dismissed.
• 1:22:24
  The rest of you have to come back Monday right up the order.
• 1:22:28
  And I thought, well, that's a good one, you know, So that had
• 1:22:31
  some performance in it because. That sounds like some legitimate
• 1:22:36
  anger too. Yeah, And I and I was like, wait
• 1:22:41
  a minute, how am I responsible for what this guy did?
• 1:22:44
  I, I have no, you know, I had long been replaced long ago.
• 1:22:50
  So that I think there are attorneys I've seen.
• 1:22:53
  You know, when I was in law school, I, I worked with the
• 1:22:56
  state's attorney as an intern and they would let us do cases
• 1:23:00
  and the, I was doing the case and it was supposed to be a
• 1:23:04
  loser. That's when they would let a
• 1:23:05
  student do it. So I'm doing it with the what
• 1:23:09
  they called the third share the least experienced guy in the
• 1:23:12
  office. And all of a sudden, you know,
• 1:23:14
  the defense files a motion to dismiss.
• 1:23:17
  The judge says no. Well, now the the boss, our boss
• 1:23:21
  is sitting at the back. He realizes these two idiots
• 1:23:24
  might win this case. He decides we go to lunch and he
• 1:23:28
  said, I'm jumping in, you know, I'm taking over.
• 1:23:32
  I didn't care because I thought we got that far.
• 1:23:34
  I was happy to be, you know, in the courtroom.
• 1:23:37
  The the other guy was upset, the real attorney, but you know,
• 1:23:43
  they had just lost a case the week before to someone and they
• 1:23:48
  claimed it was because the jury liked the attorney.
• 1:23:51
  They liked the way they, one of the women I think had a crush on
• 1:23:55
  him or something. And he was kind of playing
• 1:23:57
  around with the jury. So I think there was some
• 1:23:59
  performance there. I'm sure there was no.
• 1:24:01
  Performance. Interesting.
• 1:24:06
  Yeah. So it's yeah.
• 1:24:08
  The real performers in the legal field are the high profile
• 1:24:12
  attorneys that you would know by name as a normal person.
• 1:24:15
  Usually those are the ones because they're going to get
• 1:24:17
  called in in a murder trial or some big corporate lawsuit, and
• 1:24:22
  that's a their staff. I imagine.
• 1:24:26
  Like Erin Brockovich is a good example.
• 1:24:27
  Her staff probably handles 99% of the actual legal work at this
• 1:24:33
  point in time because she's more of a celebrity lawyer than
• 1:24:36
  anything else and and more of a philanthropist or whatever and
• 1:24:40
  into, you know, politics now. But if she were to do a law
• 1:24:45
  thing or even, you know, classics like Johnny Cochran and
• 1:24:48
  thing, these were high profile attorneys you hire because they
• 1:24:51
  do give a good performance. That's exactly why you'd get a
• 1:24:54
  guy like that. Johnny Cochran, one of the great
• 1:24:56
  performances of all time right now.
• 1:24:59
  That's what you're paying for you.
• 1:25:01
  He was probably helped by, you know, the the prosecutors who
• 1:25:06
  weren't oh, as prepared as they should have been.
• 1:25:08
  And I think, you know, he was also helped by the judge.
• 1:25:13
  But I mean, he did, he had some good lines, right?
• 1:25:16
  If it doesn't fit, you must acquit and.
• 1:25:20
  Good line, well delivered, stuck in people's mind.
• 1:25:24
  You say what you want about it, but that's all true.
• 1:25:27
  It worked. Right.
• 1:25:29
  It worked in the end. That's all that matters.
• 1:25:31
  You know, we don't know why, but for him, you know, observing it
• 1:25:36
  and it was on TV, big difference whether you're on TV or you're
• 1:25:40
  not, you know if it's what? He probably has the most on
• 1:25:44
  screen time of any attorney from one case.
• 1:25:50
  Probably, yeah. Because that.
• 1:25:52
  What is your big, what is your biggest, I guess, pet peeve or
• 1:26:01
  yeah, what, what is your biggest pet peeve about like the legal
• 1:26:06
  profession? And then what do you think is
• 1:26:08
  the most common misconception about being an an attorney that
• 1:26:17
  you've run into? I think the, you know, let's
• 1:26:22
  take the misconception, I think is most people think every
• 1:26:26
  attorney is rich like they, they think, oh, he's rich.
• 1:26:29
  Well, no, most are not. You know, like everywhere else,
• 1:26:36
  there's some that make an awful lot of money, maybe too much,
• 1:26:39
  and there's some that don't make quite enough even to feed
• 1:26:41
  themselves, you know, so it depends.
• 1:26:45
  I I think that's a big misconception amongst the public
• 1:26:49
  and, and even maybe people that are thinking about becoming
• 1:26:51
  attorneys, if that's why you're doing it, probably not a great
• 1:26:56
  idea. There is a bit of a starving
• 1:26:58
  lawyer phase, that's for sure. Yeah.
• 1:27:01
  And I, you know, when I was young, I had someone, actually,
• 1:27:07
  he wrote one of these books up here.
• 1:27:09
  He. He was a politician and he told
• 1:27:11
  me, you know, the best thing you can do is the move out where
• 1:27:16
  there's only like 1 attorney in town and then you'll be the
• 1:27:20
  other attorney and just wait and people are going to move out
• 1:27:23
  that way. And I thought, I don't have time
• 1:27:25
  for that buddy. I don't, I can't wait.
• 1:27:28
  I've got to eat. So it might have been good
• 1:27:31
  advice. Yeah, wise advice, but doesn't
• 1:27:35
  feed you. Right.
• 1:27:36
  I think he was given advice from his pocketbook, not mine.
• 1:27:40
  And I'm thinking I can't do that.
• 1:27:42
  We got to cope with another idea.
• 1:27:44
  So, you know, I, I think that's, it's, it's difficult because
• 1:27:49
  people they fall in love with the concept of attorneys on TV.
• 1:27:53
  You don't see many, you know, Better Call Saul, maybe that was
• 1:27:57
  one where he didn't look like much of an attorney.
• 1:28:00
  But you know, most of the time you, you think of attorneys,
• 1:28:05
  you. Don't go to trial nearly as much
• 1:28:07
  as people think. That's right right off the bat.
• 1:28:10
  I know that for a fact because 90% of it is a continuation
• 1:28:15
  hearing. I'm sure of some variety we got
• 1:28:18
  to have this checked on. Is there anything new?
• 1:28:20
  Nope. OK, we'll come back in a month.
• 1:28:23
  Well, and I think that leads to the point where you're asking,
• 1:28:26
  you know, what really, you know, ticks me off about it.
• 1:28:30
  There are a lot of attorneys who will say they're litigators.
• 1:28:34
  And when you, when you break it down, they've done 0 trials.
• 1:28:40
  You know, like for instance, my brother's done a lot of trials.
• 1:28:43
  You know, he was with the state's attorney.
• 1:28:45
  He has his own office. He's done a lot of trials of all
• 1:28:47
  kinds, criminal and you know, civil.
• 1:28:51
  But there are some of those big firms where it's all settled.
• 1:28:55
  They never, they never go to trial.
• 1:28:58
  They never have. They probably never will, but
• 1:29:01
  they will. They don't handle.
• 1:29:02
  The kind of cases that are going to go to trial in the first
• 1:29:05
  place. Right, right.
• 1:29:08
  You know, we had that big, you know, opioid case, you know, all
• 1:29:12
  over the country. You know, none of that was
• 1:29:15
  really litigated it it all went into settlement and it's like,
• 1:29:18
  OK, how much is it going to be is what it became.
• 1:29:21
  I, I, I would imagine though, it's good marketing though, as
• 1:29:26
  an attorney to say that you litigate every, every case,
• 1:29:32
  right? On that public perception of
• 1:29:34
  what a lawyer does. But just like in the other
• 1:29:37
  profession, you know, like people always forget there's a
• 1:29:40
  grind in any profession. What it's going to be is
• 1:29:43
  probably paperwork in meetings that amount to we're going to
• 1:29:46
  see each other again. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:49
  And. I had to take a wild guess.
• 1:29:51
  That's your, that's your, your grind.
• 1:29:54
  That's your fast food part of your work, right?
• 1:29:56
  That just sucks. Is a meeting where you know it's
• 1:29:59
  going to be another meeting in a month.
• 1:30:00
  You know nothing's going to fucking happen and a bunch of
• 1:30:04
  paperwork that you didn't really want to do.
• 1:30:07
  Right. And I think when you like here,
• 1:30:09
  at least in state court, you can get away with a lot as an
• 1:30:13
  attorney, you know, which is probably a problem for judges.
• 1:30:17
  They probably get upset, but you know, they'll give deadlines and
• 1:30:21
  then you don't meet the deadlines.
• 1:30:23
  And I, I know a friend who was in federal court and was shocked
• 1:30:28
  to find out I was in court that day.
• 1:30:31
  And I was like, this judge actually told him you're not in
• 1:30:36
  state court, you're in federal court.
• 1:30:39
  When I give a deadline, you make sure you've hit that deadline or
• 1:30:44
  you come in with a motion on why you can't.
• 1:30:46
  And I was like, Oh my God, I don't want to be back here.
• 1:30:50
  This is, you know, it becomes like the real deal because in
• 1:30:54
  state court you'd walk in and it's any county you'd say, well,
• 1:30:58
  I haven't gotten to that yet. I need 10 more days.
• 1:31:01
  I need 4 and they give it to you which is a problem.
• 1:31:05
  And it's usually the same regular people that know each
• 1:31:08
  other too. Yeah and and often the other
• 1:31:11
  attorney will say yeah no problem judge, I did it.
• 1:31:14
  Were people you have any objection?
• 1:31:16
  No, because I know next time it could be me.
• 1:31:20
  You know same case that I didn't do something.
• 1:31:23
  I always thought it was funny, though.
• 1:31:25
  I was defending a, a developer on a lot of cases let's you know
• 1:31:29
  to and I get people mad at me and I'd say, well, you know, I'm
• 1:31:34
  just the attorney. I'm I'm representing him.
• 1:31:37
  I get it, not a nice guy, but So what?
• 1:31:42
  I'm here to represent him. If you pay me, I'd represent
• 1:31:45
  you. And you're much better dealing
• 1:31:48
  with me for that reason, because he's not a nice guy.
• 1:31:50
  I am. Right.
• 1:31:53
  Right. And often, you know, The funny
• 1:31:55
  thing to me is I would go back and tell him.
• 1:31:57
  He'd say, you know, how did it go?
• 1:31:59
  I'd say, well, continued, we've got two more months knowing we
• 1:32:04
  have a loser case. We, we, we will lose if this
• 1:32:07
  ever goes to trial. And he would say victory.
• 1:32:12
  He considered it a victory because we delayed it for two
• 1:32:15
  months. And all the delay was the other
• 1:32:17
  side was just slow doing their job.
• 1:32:19
  They weren't pushing it fast enough.
• 1:32:22
  So and they would say judge I need, I need.
• 1:32:26
  With years ago, 15 years ago now with assault on my brother
• 1:32:32
  because we had a fight where he, you know, attacked me or
• 1:32:34
  whatever and he got a black eye and a scuffle because he had
• 1:32:38
  butted me. And, and they, my mom is petty.
• 1:32:41
  So she called the cops and the cops saw a case that they could
• 1:32:45
  charge to the moon because they just, it's a small town and they
• 1:32:48
  already knew me and didn't like me.
• 1:32:50
  So they were like, they looked it up and they found there was a
• 1:32:53
  new law on the books which has since been rescinded.
• 1:32:56
  And it's partly because of my case.
• 1:32:59
  But it was handicapped, this elderly or disabled person.
• 1:33:03
  Assault on a handicapped, elderly or disabled person made
• 1:33:06
  it a felony charge. So that's what they charged me
• 1:33:09
  with. Now, my defense was
• 1:33:12
  self-defense. But if you read the laws
• 1:33:14
  written, it excludes self-defense as a defense
• 1:33:19
  because it was written for caretakers, not brothers who
• 1:33:24
  don't even live. With and.
• 1:33:28
  He was 16, I was 2021 or something.
• 1:33:32
  And 20, I don't know, 27, that's what it was.
• 1:33:37
  I was 10 years older than him and he's a huge guy as well.
• 1:33:42
  He's as big as me. I'm 65.
• 1:33:44
  He's about the same size nowadays and he got mad at me
• 1:33:49
  about something. He punched me a couple times and
• 1:33:51
  he he tried to grab me. He head butted me.
• 1:33:55
  Hit him right here. You got a black eye.
• 1:33:57
  And I was my my obvious defense, like from the moment I got a
• 1:34:00
  wrestle and I had scratches all over my back from scratching me,
• 1:34:04
  He like made it bleed and it got infected.
• 1:34:07
  I took pictures of it all and I was prepared, right?
• 1:34:09
  I was ready. I'm going to defend myself in
• 1:34:11
  court five years of continuations later, because no,
• 1:34:16
  what I found out at the end, my lawyer told me what had
• 1:34:19
  happened. It was a new law that had just
• 1:34:22
  been passed. They understood my case was a
• 1:34:25
  test of it that they didn't want to do.
• 1:34:27
  They wanted that settlement, like always, for everything,
• 1:34:30
  right? They wanted a plea.
• 1:34:32
  They passed it around from prosecutor to prosecutor to ADA.
• 1:34:36
  For five years of my life, I was out on bail and couldn't so much
• 1:34:41
  as cross the street without being at a crosswalk, you know?
• 1:34:46
  And at the end of the day, they didn't want to take it to trial
• 1:34:50
  so much. They gave me an Alfred plea,
• 1:34:52
  which I know, you know what that means.
• 1:34:54
  And because I just refused to say I'm guilty, you know, and
• 1:34:59
  that was it. But there was a waste of five
• 1:35:01
  years of my damn life, you know, and the court and my lawyer.
• 1:35:06
  That's why I know what the, what the grind of his job is, because
• 1:35:09
  it was the same thing I was mad about.
• 1:35:11
  We're going to go in today. It's going to be delayed for a
• 1:35:15
  month. We both know it.
• 1:35:16
  And it has maybe he, he maybe thought it was a winner.
• 1:35:19
  Maybe actually he, he said like morally he was with me to go to
• 1:35:23
  court. Legally, I should take the deal.
• 1:35:26
  That's what he said. He was ready to do it.
• 1:35:29
  He knew how much I had invested in it, and there was a good
• 1:35:33
  chance my brother wasn't going to actually testify against me
• 1:35:36
  anyway, right? He analyzed me, but I took the
• 1:35:41
  deal because I'm stupid. But either way, no, I didn't
• 1:35:44
  want to chance it to a jury, I guess.
• 1:35:45
  But either way, I'm there going. And it's like he knows it has no
• 1:35:50
  bearing on the case, this delay. And for the for several years,
• 1:35:54
  the reason it was years, I know that's probably excessive even
• 1:35:57
  to you, right, is because we were trying to get his records
• 1:36:00
  from school because he had always beat up teachers.
• 1:36:03
  We were trying to prove like, this kid flips out and punches
• 1:36:07
  people. That's obvious, right?
• 1:36:09
  And they're like, oh, but to get those records, we have to have a
• 1:36:13
  continuation. And then next month it's a
• 1:36:14
  continuation and next month's the continuation.
• 1:36:16
  And you can't leave the state and your base.
• 1:36:19
  It's basically like being on probation or something.
• 1:36:22
  Right. Or I go to jail because my bail
• 1:36:25
  is now revoked for any stupid thing.
• 1:36:27
  And I've, that's the only time I've ever been charged with a
• 1:36:29
  crime in my whole life to boot. So I didn't know anything.
• 1:36:35
  And I actually originally said I didn't want a lawyer because I'm
• 1:36:37
  stupid. I was like, I don't need a
• 1:36:40
  lawyer for this judge. I defended myself.
• 1:36:42
  And he was like, no, you have to have a lawyer actually.
• 1:36:45
  And you're going to go talk to him.
• 1:36:47
  Yeah, smart, everybody. And I realized that, but it was
• 1:36:51
  smart. Yeah.
• 1:36:55
  Gave me a lot of good advice, satisfied with the outcome.
• 1:36:58
  But man, can they drag their feet when they want to.
• 1:37:02
  Like they want to keep the case burning.
• 1:37:05
  They don't want to dismiss it, but none of them wants to
• 1:37:08
  actually to be the one to take it to trial.
• 1:37:10
  So much so that they all said they weren't going to take it
• 1:37:13
  to. And I should have known.
• 1:37:15
  That's why I say I'm still, I should have fought it because if
• 1:37:17
  they're so afraid. But he didn't tell me till after
• 1:37:20
  I signed the paper. That's what they were doing.
• 1:37:22
  Yeah. They're all like, this is the
• 1:37:24
  test case and we're going to lose it.
• 1:37:26
  And that makes they're, they're going to be mad at us up in
• 1:37:29
  Boston, which it ended up another case where an autistic
• 1:37:35
  kid bought fake weed from somebody and beat him up with a
• 1:37:40
  baseball bat. That was the test case that did
• 1:37:45
  get it overturned because they charged the guy he beat with the
• 1:37:49
  baseball bat with a felony for defending himself.
• 1:37:54
  The same thing, only more exaggerated.
• 1:37:57
  Just because the kid had autism they decided he was disabled,
• 1:38:01
  therefore this was assault on a disabled person and self-defense
• 1:38:05
  isn't a defense even if he's beating you with a baseball bat.
• 1:38:09
  They thought that was the test case to take to court and they
• 1:38:13
  lost. And then they repealed the law
• 1:38:15
  and reframed it to be specific about caretakers and things.
• 1:38:19
  It no long it's it's got a different designation and
• 1:38:22
  everything. But I'll tell you, I was facing
• 1:38:25
  10 years in prison for it. Federal not.
• 1:38:29
  Federal, a felony. So like Walpole State, which is
• 1:38:32
  famous, a bad prison here. Sure, I've heard about it on Ray
• 1:38:37
  Donovan on the show. Yeah, yeah, it's one of those,
• 1:38:42
  yeah. And I don't want to go there.
• 1:38:43
  I'm a peace loving kind of guy, you know, I don't want to go to
• 1:38:47
  jail. So the whole time I'm, I'm every
• 1:38:50
  month they're like, yeah, we're just going to delay it.
• 1:38:52
  And I'm like, why are they delaying it?
• 1:38:54
  And he's like, I don't know. And if I'd known that they're
• 1:38:57
  just delaying it because they don't want to, there's nothing I
• 1:39:01
  could have done different anyway.
• 1:39:02
  So it's good that he didn't tell me because all you can do is be
• 1:39:07
  aggravated with the process sometimes.
• 1:39:09
  And I'm sure that's, so that's one thing I'm sure there's been
• 1:39:13
  cases you've handled where you've been aggravated with the
• 1:39:15
  process on behalf of your client, right?
• 1:39:18
  Oh yeah, absolutely. Every attorney's had that where
• 1:39:22
  you just, it goes on and on or, you know, there's, there's parts
• 1:39:28
  where you have to start and stop, you know, yeah.
• 1:39:32
  Or a judge won't accept something.
• 1:39:34
  You know, there's been those cases too, so.
• 1:39:37
  Yeah. Yeah, it gets tough, you know,
• 1:39:40
  and after that, obviously, I've been kind of more interested in
• 1:39:44
  these kind of issues and that's why I'm into it.
• 1:39:48
  Although it is funny 'cause I didn't even think about that.
• 1:39:51
  You were an attorney. I was thinking we had an author
• 1:39:54
  on tonight. It is funny that my list tonight
• 1:39:57
  for my top ten list. If if you if you wouldn't mind
• 1:40:00
  Sam. Is about suing my wife and the
• 1:40:03
  reason for that is that we know a guy that did that and thought
• 1:40:06
  it was the stupidest thing ever just just to say and also my
• 1:40:12
  wife helped me write it for anybody out there.
• 1:40:15
  It's like because last week I don't know you probably don't
• 1:40:18
  follow this kind of thing. OK, but there's now a legal case
• 1:40:21
  about it. So you might hear about it where
• 1:40:23
  a Twitch streamer Emmy Rue she goes by came publicly out that
• 1:40:30
  her ex-boyfriend had been abusing her and did a stream
• 1:40:34
  about it. And one of the things and he did
• 1:40:37
  a response and now he's suing her and other people for for
• 1:40:41
  defamation. But in his response he mentioned
• 1:40:45
  that he had plushie bears Adam, which is what justified him to
• 1:40:49
  like punch walls and things. And so my last week's list was
• 1:40:54
  the top 10 things my wife has thrown at me on stream.
• 1:40:58
  More dangerous than a plushy bear.
• 1:41:04
  And, and it's true, all ten of them were true things.
• 1:41:06
  Because I make jokes sometimes, you see, and my wife's over
• 1:41:09
  there and she just kind of gets mad at me and I get hit with
• 1:41:13
  like a shoe. Yeah.
• 1:41:18
  Yeah, it's terrible. I know somebody's going to
• 1:41:22
  somebody's going to put a stop one day, but I got my top 10.
• 1:41:27
  Yeah. My revenge, Sam.
• 1:41:29
  So yeah, let's let's get on with that.
• 1:41:34
  Anything more you want to discuss with the book at at this
• 1:41:41
  at this point? No, I don't think so.
• 1:41:44
  I think we. Covered a lot promo in the book
• 1:41:46
  too. Yeah.
• 1:41:47
  Alrighty. We definitely, yeah.
• 1:41:49
  We always try to promo at the up and the end, although Sam
• 1:41:52
  forgets to do that for his own books.
• 1:41:53
  He hasn't done that once tonight.
• 1:41:55
  But anyway. I do, but we have we have a
• 1:41:58
  guest so I'll save my book promo for the end so I know.
• 1:42:02
  I'm always on his case. He never promos nearly enough.
• 1:42:05
  They're good books, Sam. They I know I.
• 1:42:08
  Know I just figure it's very funny there will be a lawyer on
• 1:42:11
  because you'll probably find these very funny but anyway in
• 1:42:14
  the case it is about the plushie bears.
• 1:42:17
  There's also several other references to this case.
• 1:42:19
  It just came out today and it's related to streamers on Twitch,
• 1:42:23
  so I doubt it's been something that's crossed your desk.
• 1:42:27
  So I figured I'd preface that with a little bit of
• 1:42:29
  explanation. But these are the top 10 reasons
• 1:42:32
  I should sue my wife Maxine Sand, who joins us on the show
• 1:42:36
  almost every week and we and also hosts her own The Sandwich
• 1:42:41
  Makers broadcasts that I joined for a lot of times on Saturdays.
• 1:42:45
  This is why I should sue her number 10, slandering me by
• 1:42:51
  saying I didn't put the toilet seat down.
• 1:42:54
  This is slander. This effects my reputation, Sam,
• 1:42:58
  and it's not true. I don't know how and I don't
• 1:43:02
  know what money I'm out for it, but that's doesn't matter.
• 1:43:06
  This is America #9 and this is, this is to Nick Fuentes said
• 1:43:14
  that your wife should be your subordinate.
• 1:43:16
  And so my wife, for not being my subordinate, I should sue her
• 1:43:20
  because I never thought of that. Sam.
• 1:43:22
  See, we'd always had a partnership thing going on, and
• 1:43:25
  now I'm being told I'm supposed to tell her what to do.
• 1:43:28
  Do you know how hard that's going to be, Sam?
• 1:43:31
  She don't listen. Yeah, I I'm doing.
• 1:43:36
  Legal backing for this anyway #8 dipping my finely cooked steak
• 1:43:47
  in ketchup. Sam.
• 1:43:51
  This caused me severe emotional damage.
• 1:43:55
  I cooked that steak perfectly and then she is she dipped it in
• 1:43:59
  ketchup. Not even Heinz 57.
• 1:44:02
  No Walmart brand. The indignity.
• 1:44:09
  That might be suitable, I don't know. #7 POVT Post office
• 1:44:18
  viewing trauma. I have been traumatized by her
• 1:44:21
  repeat viewing of the office for years.
• 1:44:23
  Sam over and over again. It's the office, the office.
• 1:44:29
  And I don't, I just hear it in the background.
• 1:44:32
  And I just wanted like tell these people to like grow up.
• 1:44:38
  But then I realize they're fictional characters, and that
• 1:44:40
  makes me a little crazy. That's what she does to me.
• 1:44:45
  The Office, the song, Sam. The song never stops playing.
• 1:44:52
  Number six. This is a big one.
• 1:44:55
  Sam being much more popular than me.
• 1:44:57
  I'm going to sue her for that. It hurts my feelings.
• 1:45:02
  OK, Miss. #5 punitive damages, just generally for everything.
• 1:45:13
  I was very hurt. She hurt my feelings, and then I
• 1:45:18
  fell down the stairs. My shoes fell off #4 Speaking of
• 1:45:27
  which, injuries as a result of winning a video game.
• 1:45:33
  Sam, I have video evidence of this.
• 1:45:37
  I beat her in a video game. And I went.
• 1:45:41
  And then she went, and I went. That and my.
• 1:45:47
  Beats fell down and my bum was exposed and I was very
• 1:45:50
  embarrassed. Sam.
• 1:45:54
  That is true. #3 I think this is the big one.
• 1:46:02
  I think this could be a class action husband lawsuit.
• 1:46:07
  General Wife Naggery Sam, It's a new category we're in.
• 1:46:13
  General wife Naggery. Some judge somewhere is going to
• 1:46:20
  buy it. Yeah.
• 1:46:24
  Probably in Indonesia, but that's OK.
• 1:46:29
  I bet you in Saudi Arabia that one would fly General wife
• 1:46:34
  Naggery. I think that might be the only
• 1:46:37
  country where that flies legally. #2 Sam acceleration of
• 1:46:43
  brain damage on account of all the things flying in my head.
• 1:46:51
  I already had the brain damage. I can't blame her for that.
• 1:46:55
  That come from getting hit in the head by dudes when I was
• 1:46:58
  fighting and stuff. But like, but like the the
• 1:47:01
  acceleration of it that was #2 we read them back.
• 1:47:08
  Top 10 reasons I should sue my wife.
• 1:47:10
  And I'd love to hear the lawyers reaction to any of these.
• 1:47:12
  After slandering me by saying I didn't put the soilet seat down.
• 1:47:16
  That one's probably a class action too.
• 1:47:18
  The toilet seat down. 9 for not being my subordinate. 8 for
• 1:47:25
  dipping my finely cooked steak and ketchup. 7POV T Post office
• 1:47:31
  viewing trauma #6 being much more popular than me #5 Punitive
• 1:47:38
  damages #4 Injuries as a result for winning a video game #3
• 1:47:45
  General wife naggery #2 acceleration of brain damage and
• 1:47:49
  the number one reason I should sue my wife, Sam.
• 1:47:52
  I learned stuffies and plushies. You see a sloth, Sam?
• 1:48:02
  These are dangerous weapons of mass destruction, Sam.
• 1:48:06
  See. Look.
• 1:48:06
  Look at his little eyes. Look, his little beady eyes of
• 1:48:10
  death over here. These things should not be
• 1:48:14
  allowed for sale. Well, you know, I I don't.
• 1:48:22
  Traumatize Sam. Well, I mean.
• 1:48:27
  There's this. Sloth.
• 1:48:30
  You know what I mean? I don't, I don't know what else
• 1:48:34
  to say other than, you know, you, you married her.
• 1:48:37
  You have to, you have, you have to put up with her, her abuse.
• 1:48:45
  So I I don't know. That would you have a kid?
• 1:48:49
  It's comedic and stuff, you know?
• 1:48:53
  Yeah. I mean, I, I think your defense
• 1:48:55
  kind, I think you know. Well, I thought people were just
• 1:48:59
  suing for stupid stuff now. That's why I made the list, Sam.
• 1:49:05
  Well. You got to sue a girl because
• 1:49:07
  she threw a plushie at you? Good luck brother.
• 1:49:11
  I. You think you're going to get a
• 1:49:14
  settlement out of that? I mean, Dennis, I would, I would
• 1:49:19
  imagine you've unfortunately probably run into some pretty
• 1:49:23
  stupid lawsuits or other legal conundrums in your in your time.
• 1:49:33
  Well, I've, I've been lucky. I have, you know, I don't think
• 1:49:36
  I'd take any of those. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't
• 1:49:41
  prosecute them. And you know, defense wise, I
• 1:49:44
  haven't seen any. But yeah, I read about them from
• 1:49:47
  time to time and I always think. Yeah.
• 1:49:49
  Why is someone suing for this? How do they?
• 1:49:54
  It's kind of silly and usually those used to be thrown out
• 1:49:58
  pretty quickly. I don't.
• 1:50:01
  I don't think that's the case anymore.
• 1:50:03
  Nah and and a lot of times it's like, especially when it comes
• 1:50:09
  to Internet people suing each other, it's literally a tactic
• 1:50:12
  by one or the other to try and like bankrupt the other person
• 1:50:16
  almost universally, right? Because they, it's not even
• 1:50:18
  about whether they have a good case.
• 1:50:20
  I think in in most cases because it's, it's another way to keep
• 1:50:24
  themselves relevant because they'll have like lawyer YouTube
• 1:50:27
  channels talking about their case and things like that.
• 1:50:30
  Yeah, it's and it's just drama. So they're literally using
• 1:50:34
  lawsuits to farm content now. It's wild to me because it's
• 1:50:39
  there's a lot of repercussions to that kind of thing.
• 1:50:42
  But OK, good luck with that strategy, right?
• 1:50:47
  Because like, for example, this guy, the accusations she made
• 1:50:51
  were essentially like he was a bit overbearing about what she
• 1:50:56
  wore in things and that he punched walls.
• 1:50:59
  He never said he, he hit her or anything like that, but that he
• 1:51:02
  punched walls and that at one point when they were broken up,
• 1:51:06
  he'd had maybe gone too far for her liking when he was, when she
• 1:51:11
  was crying and he he was comforting her.
• 1:51:14
  He took liberties that she didn't appreciate.
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  That's the extent of what she's accused him of.
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  And his defense was, well, yeah, I punched some walls.
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  It's because she was throwing plushy bears at me.
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  So yeah. But she's slandering me, so I'm
• 1:51:32
  suing her. And he sued another streamer
• 1:51:35
  named Asma Gold for talking about it.
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  And he sued a couple of like promotion companies for firing
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  him. He's saying it's a breach of
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  contract. And I just think it's very funny
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  that the the whole thing is like, so your girlfriend threw a
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  plushy bear at you is you want to this is the legal hill you
• 1:51:54
  want to go die on. Yeah.
• 1:51:59
  Plushy bears, you could always just make fun of them.
• 1:52:06
  You could always just well hey now he's going to open it up to
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  discovery because his Discord messages are it questions, so
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  surely that can't be a bad idea. A girl threw a.
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  Pleasure at. You you should let them come
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  through every message you've ever sent on discord.
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  I'm sure there won't be anything in there that's embarrassing.
• 1:52:32
  That will be court record. Probably not.
• 1:52:39
  Brilliant legal minds of the day that want to farm content off of
• 1:52:43
  lawsuits, right? I always find it fascinating.
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  People have threatened to sue me several times.
• 1:52:48
  I've said the same thing. It's like Johnny Fox is 1, Dave.
• 1:52:52
  Dave is like at a functional IQ level that used to be called
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  retarded. But he threatened to sue me.
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  And so I told him how to fill out the paperwork.
• 1:53:03
  You know, where to go. I looked up his local
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  courthouse, what what forms he had to file, told him what to
• 1:53:09
  fill it all out. He never did.
• 1:53:15
  But. Because I thought it would be
• 1:53:17
  very funny to have played my video of him like, yelling slurs
• 1:53:21
  at his neighbors because that's my show, right?
• 1:53:23
  I watched these crazy guys on the Internet.
• 1:53:26
  And so he he had a megaphone. He was yelling slurs at his
• 1:53:28
  neighbors. And he wanted to sue me for
• 1:53:31
  watching his video he put on YouTube.
• 1:53:33
  I thought that was very funny. Yeah.
• 1:53:37
  I was like, yes, sue me. Then.
• 1:53:38
  Yes, we'll show a jury this video of you yelling the N word
• 1:53:41
  at your neighbors. I'm sure that won't be bad for
• 1:53:46
  you at all. Like it's amazing how young
• 1:53:49
  people think of lawsuits is odd. I'm saying because they think of
• 1:53:52
  the well, no, Dave's not even young, he's just young in his
• 1:53:58
  brain. Yeah.
• 1:54:01
  Which I shouldn't say things about him, but I love Dave.
• 1:54:05
  He's great. That's been always the thing,
• 1:54:06
  right? Anyway, Anyway, though, well,
• 1:54:16
  Dennis, we I appreciate your time and you coming on so one
• 1:54:25
  last time the the book is whoops.
• 1:54:29
  Let me go back if. You can drop the link in chat.
• 1:54:36
  Yeah, it's it's DC Swamp Strikes Back, Aaron Burr, Donald Trump
• 1:54:41
  and their similar battles. It's available on Amazon.
• 1:54:45
  Yeah, yeah, it's available on Amazon.
• 1:54:52
  It's only 299 on Kindle, so heck of a deal.
• 1:54:58
  And then also in hardcover format.
• 1:55:03
  Do you have any plans? Try any sequels or any other
• 1:55:07
  books in the process. At.
• 1:55:10
  This time or. I have another one that's
• 1:55:12
  written, but it hasn't been edited yet, so we're not ready
• 1:55:16
  to do anything with it, but yeah.
• 1:55:18
  Five star rating, I'd like to point out.
• 1:55:20
  I'm sorry, but that's impressive.
• 1:55:23
  Yeah, 6 actually. By my By my. 6 ratings, but his
• 1:55:30
  his overall rating is five stars.
• 1:55:31
  That's hard to act. You know, that's hard to get,
• 1:55:34
  Sam. Yeah, that, yeah, that's very
• 1:55:36
  hard to get. So go and check this out.
• 1:55:41
  Great, great cover as well, so. Well, thanks a lot for having
• 1:55:49
  me, I enjoyed it. Oh pleasure and I we would love
• 1:55:54
  to have you on again, maybe have you on the Monday show.
• 1:55:58
  But yeah, go and check out Dennis's book and I will drop
• 1:56:04
  the link in chat on YouTube and link it in the show notes for
• 1:56:15
  people. Like, I'm only partially
• 1:56:18
  familiar enough to with with the subject matter to definitely
• 1:56:22
  want to pick this up myself, not gonna lie.
• 1:56:24
  So. Yeah.
• 1:56:26
  So I will definitely, you know, share the link around and then.
• 1:56:36
  And Sammy surprised me with the new release this week.
• 1:56:39
  That's why I was like, you haven't promoted your new book
• 1:56:42
  once. Yeah, so I have a new book out
• 1:56:47
  as well. I actually was on Joe's
• 1:56:50
  atmosphere, who's in chat right now.
• 1:56:52
  So thanks for having me on earlier tonight as well.
• 1:57:00
  My new book is let's see here. Let me let me switch over real
• 1:57:09
  quick. Well, I I have.
• 1:57:19
  This. Well, I have the I have the
• 1:57:23
  paperback. My new book is Blood ties volume
• 1:57:26
  to. Oh, it's. 2 Sam's dipping back
• 1:57:31
  into the mafia stuff. Yep, it's the sequel to Blood
• 1:57:36
  Ties Volume 1, which is my crime novella anthology series.
• 1:57:44
  And if you like pulp detective stories, folks love the first
• 1:57:51
  volume. So volume 2 is out now. 4
• 1:57:56
  novellas and 3 short stories and so this just released this week
• 1:58:07
  and really appreciate everyone who has already picked up a copy
• 1:58:13
  on sale now so be sure to pick up a copy let.
• 1:58:21
  Me. Get a good look at that cover,
• 1:58:22
  Sam. Yeah, so nice.
• 1:58:27
  Here's the here's the page on Amazon.
• 1:58:30
  So thanks to everyone for supporting me as an author.
• 1:58:35
  And go check out Dennis's book as well because he deserves it.
• 1:58:41
  And welcome to the Indie Author Community, Sir.
• 1:58:46
  So right. Thank you.
• 1:58:49
  My. Pleasure.
• 1:58:50
  Happy to have somebody around. There's so much fiction writers
• 1:58:54
  it's that it's refreshing to see a non fiction work.
• 1:58:58
  Although I will say I read the World War One, I one I read just
• 1:59:04
  recently we had them on. Travis Davis.
• 1:59:08
  Yeah, that one was non fiction technically too.
• 1:59:12
  But yeah, it's pretty rare. You know, a lot of lot of big
• 1:59:17
  fiction writers and it's nice to see something, you know, a
• 1:59:20
  little more grounded. Like I say, I don't think people
• 1:59:23
  think much of history nowadays in terms of politics and the
• 1:59:28
  lessons that can be gleaned from it.
• 1:59:30
  So whenever I see a light shined on that, I'm for it.
• 1:59:35
  Indeed, indeed. Well, folks, I want to thank you
• 1:59:39
  all for tuning into tonight's program.
• 1:59:43
  And Mr. Brennan, where can people find you besides the book
• 1:59:47
  if they would like to get a hold of you?
• 1:59:50
  Yeah, my website is author Dennis brennan.com.
• 1:59:55
  I'm on X at Dennis Brennan, 61, also on Facebook.
• 2:00:02
  Dennis A Brennan. Any of those will connect you.
• 2:00:07
  Yeah. I just followed before the show.
• 2:00:11
  We'll retweet out on Twitter especially, just so people can
• 2:00:14
  follow you if they want. Thank you.
• 2:00:19
  As with all the guests, folks, obviously YouTube takes a bit to
• 2:00:24
  process the live streams, but I will have Dennis's links in the
• 2:00:29
  podcast show notes if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or
• 2:00:35
  Spotify and all of that. Mister Brennan, I really
• 2:00:39
  appreciate your time. And gentlemen, I appreciate you
• 2:00:42
  guys as always. So you as well.
• 2:00:45
  I'll be back Monday with Terrence Lehew, another author,
• 2:00:52
  and then, well, next Wednesday, who knows what we'll be dealing
• 2:00:58
  with. And then this Friday, bits and
• 2:01:02
  Bones, 10:00 PM, That's Morthy's show.
• 2:01:07
  And then Sandwich Makers Saturday night.
• 2:01:12
  So. Take care everyone and
• 2:01:17
  appreciate everyone tuning in. God was.
• 2:01:23
  The right to offend is not some pesky little part of freedom of
• 2:01:27
  speech that we have to put up with.
• 2:01:29
  It is the heart and soul and lungs of freedom of speech.
• 2:01:33
  It is the coursing lifeblood of human progress.
• 2:01:36
  It is the instigator of liberty and modernity and science and
• 2:01:40
  understanding what a laughing sock today's student leaders are
• 2:01:46
  that they can so casually dismiss the right to be
• 2:01:49
  offensive without realising that their lovely, enlightened lives
• 2:01:54
  are the gifts of individuals who gave offence.
• 2:01:58
  Offensiveness is not just something we have to
• 2:02:01
  begrudgingly accept. Offensiveness is the motor of
• 2:02:04
  human progress. Thank you for watching the
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• 2:02:12
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• 2:02:36
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