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David Fishof · The Bob Lefsetz Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Left podcast. My yesterday
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  Speaker 1: is promoter entrepreneur David Fishel David, Bob, Thanks, yeah, great
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  Speaker 1: to be here. Okay, winter shows coming back, I think October.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the Scorpions will return to Vegas so
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  Speaker 1: I can do a camp there. But you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: still scared. I think it's gonna have to be two
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  Speaker 1: thousand twenty two. I think the to feel us, to
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  Speaker 1: us to feel secure that we're gonna be in a
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  Speaker 1: in a situation. Um, I think that's gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: be next year. Okay, you're planning to do this in
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  Speaker 1: the fall. Have you sold tickets for it? No? I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to go on sale because the last thing
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  Speaker 1: I want to do is hold people's money. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I've just been I was really supposed to be in
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  Speaker 1: May and um, but no, I had Bright and White
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  Speaker 1: before ovid I stopped. I didn't go and sale. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so how have you ridden out this year long process? So, Bob,
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  Speaker 1: I started these master classes in June because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to recreate at least part of what I did at
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  Speaker 1: Rock and when I do at Rocketball Fantasy Camp. So
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  Speaker 1: I asked many of these artists if they would come
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  Speaker 1: on Zoom and I went to a universe part Ticketmaster
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  Speaker 1: and was selling tickets or people to come and be
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  Speaker 1: able to communicate with these artists. And uh I started
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  Speaker 1: with Mark Farner from Grant Funk, and I had Roger
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  Speaker 1: Doultrey on and the band Sticks and the Scorpions, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, these artists decided they were going to do
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  Speaker 1: this and give the money to their crews and uh
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  Speaker 1: so it's been fun we did. We've done a hundred
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  Speaker 1: fifty of them. Okay, if you've done a hundred and fifty,
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  Speaker 1: how many different acts or that is that? I would
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  Speaker 1: say we did about a hundred different acts, okay. And
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  Speaker 1: if you missed the live performance, can you watch the
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  Speaker 1: can you buy a ticket for the rerun? So I
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  Speaker 1: haven't done anything there yet. We have this amazing library.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just deciding what to do with it, and uh um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the the artists and my partners on it.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna confer with many of them, but I
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  Speaker 1: plan to do something with the with the information because
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  Speaker 1: these classes Bob unlike, these rock stars coming on usually
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  Speaker 1: doing interviews for records, and they're selling their their live gigs.
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  Speaker 1: They're giving away information and they're giving their sharing information
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  Speaker 1: that you can't get anywhere else. I mean, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: Alice Cooper talking about stuff or Roger Daltree. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been blown away by all these classes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've we've advertised the sixty minutes. They've all
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  Speaker 1: lasted ninety to two hours, um, and they've been really
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  Speaker 1: great and motivate and great motivation while we're going through COVID. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: how much is a ticket to one of these master classes?
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  Speaker 1: So the classes start um, and they've gone up to uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I charged five hundred for Roger adult because
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  Speaker 1: we're giving all the money to his charity. So twenty
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  Speaker 1: five people get get to spend five dollars to ask
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  Speaker 1: Roger a question, but most of them been a hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars and um, and you know you get to really
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  Speaker 1: talk to these people and get some great info. So
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  Speaker 1: how many people are at each master class? So you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've altened it up to twenty five people, um, and
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  Speaker 1: they come in from all around the world. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: now we were increasing it to a few hundred where
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  Speaker 1: people can just watch them and uh, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: you buy a ticket for twenty five dollars, you can
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  Speaker 1: watch them um, and then someone who's paying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: twenty hundred dollars they get to really talk to the artist. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you buy the ticket on ticket Masters. That correct, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that that I have to ask a question, what about
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  Speaker 1: the fees? So the fees that you know, were they charged?
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  Speaker 1: The person pays above the fees, you know whatever, the
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  Speaker 1: fees are above UM. But there there, you know, there there.
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  Speaker 1: I started inventive and I started on and they're all
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  Speaker 1: the same. The only reason I asked, if one buys
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  Speaker 1: a concert ticket, there's a kick back to the building.
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  Speaker 1: There's a kick back to the promoter in addition to
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  Speaker 1: the fee to Ticketmaster, which is how it makes its money.
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  Speaker 1: So I would think inherently the fee. Would you would
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  Speaker 1: negotiate a lower fee on something like this? I did? Did?
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  Speaker 1: They did give us a lower fee, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want it. Didn't take any money from him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really um an opportunity for I want
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  Speaker 1: to take at Master because I wanted them to help me.
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  Speaker 1: My goal is for them to go to the concert
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  Speaker 1: um goer that they have the records of and to basically, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know you can't go to this depth leopard concept,
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  Speaker 1: but you can watch Joe elliott. I was hoping that
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen, but you know, we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: They've been really slow during COVID. Okay, that begs the question,
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  Speaker 1: how are people aware of these master classes? What is
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  Speaker 1: the marketing? The marketing is basically been the artist promoting
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  Speaker 1: it on his site. And I have a two hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand list of people over twenty five years who wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go to rock and roll Face camp. Where have
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  Speaker 1: gone to camp? And Uh, people come to camp and
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  Speaker 1: you know they they're they're coming into it and they're
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  Speaker 1: seeing it and the word about and how frequently do
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  Speaker 1: you have a master class. I've been doing him three
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  Speaker 1: or four nights a week, and uh, and you know
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  Speaker 1: now we're I took off a little bit during January
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  Speaker 1: because the Super Bowl a football, but we're going back.
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  Speaker 1: We're starting again. We're starting up with Roger on February seven,
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  Speaker 1: and um, we got Eddie Kramer's gonna mix a song.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to watch Eddie Kramer mixed a
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  Speaker 1: song live. You know you'll be able to sive in
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  Speaker 1: a song. I had Desmond Child last month doing three
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  Speaker 1: nights part time class or three night class where you
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  Speaker 1: got to send in your song to Desmond and he
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  Speaker 1: would basically took six songs and uh he gave everyone
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  Speaker 1: an hour an hour and a half and you got
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  Speaker 1: to watch him um comment on the song. And he
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  Speaker 1: was brilliant. I mean, some lady writes since he has
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  Speaker 1: I found love from Tennessee to Texas to the Alamo.
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  Speaker 1: He said, lady, we lost the Alamo. So he was
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  Speaker 1: he was great. He's I think he spent he spent
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  Speaker 1: three hours, three nights um doing that. So where side says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bigger classes. Okay, the Desmond is quite a
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  Speaker 1: character and he has his opinions. He's great, but let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about someone who's not inherently a songwriter like Desmond.
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  Speaker 1: That's how he made his bones, although he's also a performer.
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  Speaker 1: What is the format of the class. So I have
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  Speaker 1: a young ladynamed Britt Lightning who was the lead guitarist
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  Speaker 1: and ViOn and she's been the host of all these classes.
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  Speaker 1: So I wanted someone who you know, knows music and
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  Speaker 1: and she's been you know, starts off the class with
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  Speaker 1: asking him a few questions and then we we we
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  Speaker 1: have these people come on zoom, we we un mute them,
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  Speaker 1: we get them to ask the question. And it's until
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  Speaker 1: crazy the way these people, you know, they stay up
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  Speaker 1: all night from London and they stay up from Chicarta.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they've and people come from all around the
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  Speaker 1: world to ask their their favorite person a question. I
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  Speaker 1: mean Eric Johnson, Uh, he was getting a guy from
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  Speaker 1: India who you know, he's done three classes and and
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  Speaker 1: it's been great, and you know, there's and he got
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  Speaker 1: to talk to the artists and the artists and you
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  Speaker 1: could say a load of them and it's really been great.
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  Speaker 1: It's been great. And it's not you know, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a mat and greed. It's it's not a cameo.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna learn music, okay. And to what degree are
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  Speaker 1: these people musicians are fan boys so to speak, they're musicians.
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  Speaker 1: They're musicians and their vocalists and the young young ladies
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  Speaker 1: have come on who and young people who idolize these people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Joey Kramer, you know, it's amazing that but
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  Speaker 1: the house of people that came on for Tom Hamilton,
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  Speaker 1: Joey Kramer we're teenagers who their parents listen to the bands,
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  Speaker 1: so you know they wanted to ask questions and do
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  Speaker 1: you listen and participate whether you talk or not in
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  Speaker 1: every master class or you know you can't pay attention
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  Speaker 1: to everything. Sorry, And I love Bridge, he does it all.
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  Speaker 1: I listen to most of them. I put her on mute.
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  Speaker 1: I start eating dinner. Um, I gotta tell you they've
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  Speaker 1: been so I've learned so much because again these artists
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  Speaker 1: are sharing materials about their careers and really trying to
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  Speaker 1: help people. So you know your friend Chef Gordon, he's
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  Speaker 1: done three of them, he sold out the most. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he's sold out the fastest. People want to ask questions. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Chef Covid, you know what do I do with my career?
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  Speaker 1: I've seen agents come on. It's it's compuite interesting, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And you're talking about all of them that you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: are essentially doing it for charity or any of them
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  Speaker 1: doing it for their own wallet, irrelevant of their cruise.
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  Speaker 1: Of course they're doing it for their own wallet, and
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  Speaker 1: someone are doing for the wallet. Chef gave his money
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  Speaker 1: to I think I wrote a check out to the
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  Speaker 1: Maui Food Bank. Um. But yes, the artists. You know what,
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  Speaker 1: many of the artists are doing it for their own
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  Speaker 1: for their own you know, because uh, they're not making money. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So the artists you've had on the master classes, these
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  Speaker 1: are all artists you have had a previous relationship with. No,
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  Speaker 1: That's what's been interesting. Many of them are started that way.
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  Speaker 1: But then I've reached out to the the guitar player
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  Speaker 1: from Wilco and uh, you know, he was great, He
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  Speaker 1: did a class and never met him. Um So I've
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  Speaker 1: been asking people who've never done Rock and Roll Fantasy
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  Speaker 1: Camp to to come on and just see our brand,
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  Speaker 1: talk to our people. Um so yeah, it's been all
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  Speaker 1: different types of people, all different kinds of artists. Do
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  Speaker 1: you find that you have to sell or does your
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  Speaker 1: reputation proced you and to some people say no, well
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  Speaker 1: I found out my whole career. You know. People have
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  Speaker 1: said no, sure you're gonna you know you're gonna see No,
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  Speaker 1: because I've been doing a split with the artists. It's
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  Speaker 1: basically I'm doing a fifty fifty split with them, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, I want them to promote it, and
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  Speaker 1: and and also because who knows how what this what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen here? So you know, so people show,
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  Speaker 1: people turn you down, you know, pick. Some people wanted
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  Speaker 1: the questions in advance. Some people wanted to you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were afraid that maybe someone's gonna call, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a person was gonna get online that they didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to know. But you know, have we've really honestly had
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  Speaker 1: no problems them spend a hundred bucks to call somebody
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  Speaker 1: and ask the stupid questions. It's it's really been great,
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  Speaker 1: it's really been fun. Okay, you know, each one of
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  Speaker 1: them is limited to twenty five people to ask and
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  Speaker 1: then the rest of people can watch. Okay, And those
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  Speaker 1: are different price points, yes, yes, they've been different price points.
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  Speaker 1: Those the the asked seventy five to a hundred and
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  Speaker 1: then the Prince and the listener has been And what
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  Speaker 1: is the largest audience you've had for listen only? I
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  Speaker 1: would say Roger to actually Joe Elliott dick Um. They
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  Speaker 1: were they were grand scorpions, a lot of people from
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  Speaker 1: around the world. How many people were in the Peanut
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  Speaker 1: Gallery listening? About two hundreds. I'm just suddenty five to Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're a person whose main rep now is live performance.
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  Speaker 1: Needless say, there are no live performances. The master classes
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  Speaker 1: are not a conventional concert But do you believe or
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  Speaker 1: have any insight to doing virtual concerts? No, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not un concept business. I'm not competing with Live
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  Speaker 1: Nation or a g um. I want to give away information.
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  Speaker 1: I want, I want. I want to teach people. You know,
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  Speaker 1: let's I've changed my whole lifestyle to share people the
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of these artists, these musicians. That's why created the camp.
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  Speaker 1: It's really it's really a place where you can come
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  Speaker 1: and and and learn and play with people that are
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  Speaker 1: better than you, and I want to get that experience.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not so essentially all your time at this point
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  Speaker 1: is camp and the other things established. And Ringo is
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  Speaker 1: a one off tour or would you have other touring
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  Speaker 1: acts or performances. No, I'm not even I'm not doing
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  Speaker 1: Ringo tours. I'm not doing his tours anymore. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: doing any live tours. I started my career. I did
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  Speaker 1: Happy Together, I did Dirty Dancing, I toured out. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've been everywhere, and I you know, it's about fifteen
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  Speaker 1: years ago. I got remarried and I have two teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: and uh and I don't want to go on the
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  Speaker 1: road anymore. So rock Campus in my full time business
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  Speaker 1: the film UM. I worked on the film to a
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  Speaker 1: certain extent, but basically they told me stay out of
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen so they can take the cake, and they
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  Speaker 1: kept me out of it. UM. But no campus in
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  Speaker 1: the full time business. And now it's been the master
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  Speaker 1: class of promoting the film. Can you go a little
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  Speaker 1: deeper in terms of your exit from promotion? You know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times people get squeezed out, some people quit.
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  Speaker 1: How did it end with you with Ringo and these
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  Speaker 1: other Happy Together et cetera. Okay, so my business model
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I started eighty four eighty eight four.
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  Speaker 1: I did my first Happy Together tour eight four five
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  Speaker 1: eighty six, I brought the Monkeys back, and then I
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  Speaker 1: did Dirty Dancing his live tour, then Ringo, and then
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  Speaker 1: I've created packages like Super seventies and American Gladias. Then
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  Speaker 1: what happened was once SFX and Live Nation came into
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  Speaker 1: business and I got scared. I got scared because my
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  Speaker 1: business model was find a UM, find a corporate sponsor,
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  Speaker 1: go to your agency and like William Morris the CIA
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  Speaker 1: at the end and let them book your shows with
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  Speaker 1: all the promoters so they can basically you'll you'll they
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  Speaker 1: they was they were selling for the promoters, guarantee the
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  Speaker 1: artists the money and then put them on tour. But
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  Speaker 1: what happened is once it we came down to one
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  Speaker 1: or two promoters, um, and I wasn't selling to the
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  Speaker 1: Ron Delston just in New York and Arnie Grantit in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago and Jules Belkin. Then you know, I couldn't take
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  Speaker 1: the chance, and I would produce the tour and then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Live Nation SFX. That's that it
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  Speaker 1: didn't sell, you don't want it. I'd be stuck having
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  Speaker 1: to pay the artists for all those shows. So I
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  Speaker 1: had to change my business model. And that's why I decided,
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  Speaker 1: is gonna do, you know, spend more time doing these
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  Speaker 1: camps and uh, but I had to get into promoting
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  Speaker 1: it camps. And let me tell you something. Promoting terrible, Bob.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, I used to walk away from every
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  Speaker 1: gig say, oh, that promoter screwed me. That promoter screw
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  Speaker 1: there are more people in the house. It's terrible to promote.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard, it really is. Okay, before we addressed that
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  Speaker 1: the roll up started in ninety six. When did you
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  Speaker 1: have sunset in your promotion career? My? My, my best
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  Speaker 1: year was nineties six, eighties seven. I I brought the
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  Speaker 1: monkeys back. Um. And so where did you go out?
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  Speaker 1: When did you get out? No? Home on um, I
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  Speaker 1: would say my last touring was, um, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: seventeen years ago. It's the last time I did the
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  Speaker 1: ring Goes tour. Um or fifteen years. I did Ringo
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years um and then right right right far I
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  Speaker 1: got married. Then I got married. No more touring. I
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  Speaker 1: want to keep this marriage. Okay, the fifteen years. Who
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  Speaker 1: does the Ringo tour now? Uh? Dave Hart does it
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  Speaker 1: and uh he puts it together and and I think
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  Speaker 1: he books it too. Okay, so it's still outside the
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  Speaker 1: A G Live Nation world. Yeah yeah, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how he does his business now, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know Ringos tours. It was exciting for me for
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years. I put together great band for him, um,
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  Speaker 1: and that was fun and uh and then but he's
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  Speaker 1: still touring. Yeah, God bless him. You know he's still
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  Speaker 1: going at eighties. Okay, did you ever think of partnering
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  Speaker 1: with a g or Live Nation years ago. I think
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  Speaker 1: I made I did make a mistake when I went
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  Speaker 1: to UM. I sold them a tour I saw. I
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  Speaker 1: think I sold Bruce Uh. Um uh, I think I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking Bruce's name. Um, but but THATSX. I told
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  Speaker 1: them about tour of Ringos tour and um. You know
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  Speaker 1: then I didn't take stock and I you know, back
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  Speaker 1: those days, I probably will like to, you know, partner
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  Speaker 1: with them now because I have such huge ideas I
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  Speaker 1: want to do with the rock camp. Um, this camp
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  Speaker 1: is going to go global because the film. I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: so much, so much interest for people to come to camp,
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  Speaker 1: and I really want to take it, take it around
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  Speaker 1: the world. I'm ready. Okay, but let's start with the
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  Speaker 1: building blocks. You're talking about how promoting is so hard. Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Why is it so hard? Why is it hard? Um? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So how about this story. I'm doing my first Happy
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  Speaker 1: Together tour and the first year and then I did
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  Speaker 1: the second year. I sell it to Ron Delsner and
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  Speaker 1: he would buy from New York and Jones Beach. We
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  Speaker 1: had on Tommy Jay's we were on three Dog Night
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  Speaker 1: and he would sell eight thousand seats ten thousand seats
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  Speaker 1: and he would do the pier. So then I said
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  Speaker 1: to him one yet said, you know, ron Um, I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 1: I want to promote my own show. I'm gonna I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna do two nights at the at the Beacons here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to the two shows because I guarantee the
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  Speaker 1: artist let me try it. And I go on sale
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  Speaker 1: and it's not selling. It's not selling, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand why it's not selling. Here. I was selling the
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  Speaker 1: summer out and then all of a sudden us fall.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not selling any tickets. And I never forget walking
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  Speaker 1: to the the theater and people are asking me tickets.
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  Speaker 1: Who needs tickets? Who needs tickets? I was thinking, wow,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it did sell out. I walk in there and
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that's a half a house. You know, selling promoting is
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: very hard, and you know you've gotta advertise. You don't
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. Um, It's it's a very tough business.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And and uh, you know, you don't know what's gonna happen,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: and you're always risking. I mean, and and I was
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: risking when I was producing tours. As you saw in
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the film. You know, they they Joe walshould leave on
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: out and play the joke on me. And after the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: first fourth, fourth show at the guard State Arts Center,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and they basically want to quit, and I mortgage my house.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I mortgaged my house to put up that
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Ringo tour in beautiful Town Aus in Manhattan, and I
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: mortgaged it to put down my deposits. Wow, okay, did
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: touring break up your earlier marriage? I would say that,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you know, being on the road a lot, Yeah, I did,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: because you know, you go on the road, and well
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I never used to go on the road and Happy
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Together tours. I never went on the road. I never
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: went on the road really with those early tours, I
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: go out to a city and then I come back.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I go out to a city, come back. But when
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: when I put the Ringo's first tour after the fourth show,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I turned him and I said, uh, you know, I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: want to go home for the Sabbath, and you know
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I observed Shabbat and and uh he turned to me
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and he said, well, you know you can do the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Sabbath in Buffalo. Why do you have to go, you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: go home, And basically said, you know, you said you're
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be out of here with me. And I said, well,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that's agent talk. You know, I don't really go on
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the road, and um, but then I realized that, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: my business was in Buffalo, my businesses in Chicago. My
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: businesses is wherever the artist is. And and I remember
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was um, Bill Graham who
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: threw something in my mind. We're at the Concorde Hotel
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and I was rehearsing the Monkey tour and Bill Graham, Um,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: we used to go up to the castles every summer
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to be a waiter. And he said to me, Um,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: he had a little to drink one night. And I said,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: but what do you do for him? With him? He's
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: on the Rolling Stone the tour manager. And what do
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you mean you're the Rolling Stones tour manager. Yeah, I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: have to go on the road. Who else can tell
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Mick Jagger get f on the bus and you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: and basically he said, you gotta be out there. So
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: with Rinko, I decided, you know what, I have to
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: be out there. And you were out on the road
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: for four months, and you know, basically you come home
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and you know, you want to tell the wife what
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to do. And she said looks at you and says, wait,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: you haven't been here for four months. What are what
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: are you trying to do? So I found being on
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the road very difficult for my marriage. And how did
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you meet your new wife? Your present wife? So my
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: present wife walks into my house for a sad. I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: used to host a lot of singles on on for
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: shoppist lunch in my house, and in walks a young
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: lady who's a Duran Duran groupie, and I couldn't need
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: to find a woman whose orthodox and who can rock
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and roll. And she turned out to be a groupie
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and who became Orthodox. And we have two teenagers and uh,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: seven grandkids. I got three older kids, and uh we're
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: all living together here in l A. So it's really nice. Okay.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Were these single nights giving back to the community or
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a way for you to meet your new wife? That's
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the great question, you know. I I holsted the meals
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: right eventually to meet my new wife. But uh, you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: in the beginning, I didn't want to get married. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: thought I'm not getting married again. I got grandkids, and uh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I remember Roger adult she asked me. He says, what
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: about that girl you met you told me about her.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I said, Rob, if she wants to have kids, I
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: have two grandkids, I don't. I don't want any more kids.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And then he said to me, you have kids at
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: sixty five, teenagers running around your house. And I said, okay,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I wake up every morning. I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: so thankful to him because, you know, having teenagers around
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the house, that's just at my age, especially now I'm
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: sixty four, it's great. They're so motivated and they keep
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: me alive and keep me going. And you know, frequently
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the breakups of the marriage affect your relationships with children,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: especially when you're on the road. So what happened with
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the three initial children, who you also say live in
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the local area of Los Angeles? Now, so I were
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Fortunately when when I got divorced um my ex wife,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: she moved to Florida and said, you you know you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: want the kids, you keep the kids, you know. So
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: for a while, uh I basically was a main parent,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and uh I raised the kids and uh I kept
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I moved my office into my town. I was in Manhattan.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: The kids would come home from from the yeshiva. They
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: would do their homework in front of me, and so
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I'm very close with my kids. I my daughter Alana,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: she called me today. Um, she works for a company
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: called Beach Body and they're going public and she's a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: real superstar, a lot of mostly in and she told
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: me a lot. You know. These kids are are and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: my other son and my daughter is married to a
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: rabbi here in Hancock Park and they have five kids.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: And my son Josh is here. So yeah, I know
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I was. I was the main parent. Okay, So how's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: their relationship with their mother? Uh? Fortunately passed away, you know.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And yeah, the mom passed away, Bob and about three
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: years ago. And and uh so now it's me. I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: got to do it all and I love it. I
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: love it. Okay, how did you decide to move to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: l A? So I was doing the rock and Roll
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Fantasy camps and um Mark Burnett um came to see
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: me in New York and he said, I want to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: make a reality series out of your show and out
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of your camps, and um, you know I had done
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: one earlier on TLC. They did a special they William
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Maritza had offered John Farred to the late John farredy
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: offered me. Uh, said, I got a deal for you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: They want to do a series on Rock Roll Fantasy
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Camp and they want to, you know, make it like
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor meets uh Rock and I remember Forget, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: remember Colly Roger and I said, Roger got a enough
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: for a series here, and he says, don't do it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's gonna kill your brand. And so I decided not
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to do it, but he said, do it two hours special.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: They did a two hour special and it turned out great,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and he did. It was on TLC and Brett Michaels
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was in a Mills Locker was in it. Basney told
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the story about Camp. Then when when Mark Burnett came
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to see me and he promised me, I'll make a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: reality show. I said, you know, you gotta keep it
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: rock and roll. It can't be reality. And he tried
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the best he could. He sold us a v H
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: one classic. It was pre the Voice, it was, it
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: was you know it was. It was a good show.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to come out to l A. And uh,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to come out to l A. But
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave my parents years ago, and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: so I came out first and then the kids followed me.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It was great, Okay, l A is getting a bad rap.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Now all of California you still sold? Or would you
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: ever move back? No, I'm staying here. You wake up
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: every morning and you see the sunshine, and you've got
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: your grandkids here, and no, I'm not going back. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you know I saw, I'll pay the extra taxes and tears.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I liked it. And now my next top is Israel.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm going next. Okay, you and Sheldon Adolson
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: who was no there with us. But in any event,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: when you talk about the two TLC and v H one,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: if you could rewind the clock, would you have done them?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I would have. Yeah, the TLC I loved um. When
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I've done the idea, No, I probably wouldn't have done
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the Mark Burnette one because it really doesn't show what
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: my camp is about. You know, my campus about people.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: It's not young people aspiring to be rock stars. It's
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: people over forty wanting who had a decision in life
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to make. They were they were, they were in high school, college,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: they were in a band, and they have to make
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a decision do I become a rock star or do
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I get a real job. And they really wanted to
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: become a rock star. You know, my my third book.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I'm writing a book. Now, Hey, mom, I could have
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: been a rock star, but you maybe go to Harvard.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And that's my customer. And um, they're passionate about what
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: they want to be a musician. And you know, Joe
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Perry was funny. One night he gave a class he
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was talking about at camp. He said to a guy
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: were in Fox was doing a rock camp. He turns
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to a guy, he says, hey, what do you do
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: for a living? And guy said, I'm a doctor. And
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: then the weekends, I have a band. And he says
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to him, and I play guitar. And Joe says, no, no,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you're a guitarist. First you do the other medical bullshit
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to pay for your guitars. And it's true. A musicians
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a musician. And so that's that's really what I'm about.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm about teaching getting people to play with these superstars.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It will make them a better player. You saw in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the films that you become a better player, and it's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: really you're living a dream. And unlike the sports fantasy
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: camps where they they end when you you know, thirty
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: five campaign athlete, you can still make a living being
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a musician at sixty five seven, that you can play
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: a bar mits, so you can write a song, you
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: can be in a tribute band. And I've seen these
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: people graduates from my camps and just really flourish. Now
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of rock stars are legendary for either being
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: non verbal or off putting. How do you what's your
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: experience and how do you live in These people up
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: who were gunshy, who might have gotten into music because
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: their music would speak for them. Well, listen, this camp
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: could not never worked if it wasn't for um, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: people wanting to give back, and not every It's not
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: for every musician I've turned you know, people turned me down.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Remember when I first started the Door Raymond Derek and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the Door said I'm up playing with amateurs, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and and people turned me down. And the way I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: got it started really was I I went to see
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Roger uh and Roger he had just done a tour
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: for me in British roc Symphony. And I did my
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: first camp in Florida as you see in the film,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and Um, I called Mills, Cinna called Clarence Clemence. Mills
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: got it. Clarence said I'll come over, and even my
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: love of the Beach Boys and Mark Farne. I call
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: everybody that I knew and then towards them and said, hey,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I got got this crazy idea. What you come And
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: they came, and um, I had about sixteen people, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: then I had but I had forty media people came
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and uh, they came to watch and but people had
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a great time. And the meeting guys to me and said,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you know, we were gonna blow you. We were we
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: were gonna, you know, write terrible things about you. But
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: this thing is great. We're really learning, have be fun.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And they wrote great stories. So um, then when I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: want to see you know Roger, and I said to her,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I explained to him what I'm doing and he didn't
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: understand it. He could saying, comp what's the camp? What's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the camp? What's the camp now? Bob, I grew up
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in the cast Cools. I went to camp. You know
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: those guys in England the word camp you know. He
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: said you should do with the Thompson Twins of the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: village people. They the work camping in London needs something else.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So I turned him. I said, Roger, let's let me
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: change the subject. If you had a chance to play
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: with your hero. Who would you want to play with it?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: You know the way he says, leave on Helm. He says,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you introduced me to leave on Helm. I'll do your can,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: so now leave on. I hadn't met him through the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Ringo and he did my first ring Goo tour. I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: turned to Roger, I said, you know Leean's you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: he's not doing well financially. Said whatever you're gonna give him,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna gives me give it to him. I want
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to meet him. So I called leve On and said,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: leve On, would you come to camp up and meet
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Roger and I can get him to come to my camp. Well,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'll be there there, I'll be there for you. And
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: he was so nice. He came down from what suck.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: He got to meet Roger. And then Roger comes to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the camp and he starts jamming with the feeble room
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: after room, and then he turns to me says, what
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: are they gonna when when these people are performing? I said,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they're performing at the bottom line, he's not gonna jam
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: with each band. And he came and and I gotta
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit, because you know, he really
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Had a great experience, and he's done seven
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: camps for me, and um, it's been interesting for him too,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: because you know, he's got to meet some great people.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: When one of the campers game two hundred fifties thousand
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: dollars to play a Who's Song with him at at
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for his charity, you know, he rodgers all about teat
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: cancer and uh and so he's met some great people. Okay,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning. You grow up where
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I grew up in Hackinsack, New Jersey. I'm born in Manhattan.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: My dad said cancer. He's a survivor of the Holocaust.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: He survived out for this, he said, I book them. Well, Um,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: so you know I heard the stories my whole life.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: My father was one of those who talked about it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: You know, something anson't even talk about. He talks about
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it every day every day. He put it in my
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: head about what he went through. And uh, so I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: grew up basically in in Hackensack, New Jersey. Um, the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: only how about your mother? What was she like? What
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: was her background? My mom was from Berlin. UM and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: when when Hitler was taking over in Germany, her father
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: took his diamonds, he sewed him in his jacket and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: he just said, I'm going on vacation. He took my
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: mom and and and my grandmother and they went to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Israel and then eventually they came to New York City.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: He couldn't make a living in Israel, but he basically
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: he was able to sew his diamonds up and and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: uh in his coat and left. My father was in
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you know, he was from Bratislava, and um he lived
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: as a non Jew. That was amazing. My dad lives
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: as a non Jew. And his brother in law was
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a guy named Castetna. And I don't know if you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: remember they had those videographers she those ca okay, So
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that was his brother in law. So my dad learned
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: how to make how to print. So he lived as
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he escaped from a concentration camp called Sarah. It was
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a small camp and he makes his way to Budapest
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and he lives as a non Jew. My dad survived
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: because he was blonde hair and he was blue eyed,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: so he didn't look Jewish. And he called his name
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Red Martin was his nickname. And he worked in a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: printing press and he made false passports and I can't
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: tell you how many Jews. I met over the years,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: so many people that he saved their lives. Um, he
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: made false passports and uh, it was a great Rabbi
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: said to me one day, he said, you know, my
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: whole life I made people Jews. Your dad may maybe
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a non Jews maybe. Okay, just since with this deep
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: into it, how did your father get hurted up and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: go to the concentration camp to begin with? So, Um,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: he got captured. Um In the police arrested him and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: in brought the slava and they rounded up him and
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: his father. His father they sent right away to a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: camp right near Auschwitz. So that's why my dad was
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: trying to get to Budapest. He was trying to get
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to Budapest because he wanted to get close to his father.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: My dad's part of he was six brothers, six sisters,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: um and uh. Five of the brothers, five of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: brothers survived and six except one Um. The other sisters
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: they died in the camps. And so then he got
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: hut up. But oh, so then he escaped the camp. Okay,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: he jumped over a fence. And there's a book called
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the Yellow Star that was just came out. Um. It
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: was written in the sixties, but they they just republished
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: it um and Um. It's called The Yellow Stars on
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It's on Amazon, and it really tells the story about
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: my father and his his five friends how they survived Auschwitz
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and book bold but basically how they kept My father
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: would get on the floor and the Nazis wouldraw these
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: UH cigarette butts, and he would take the cigarette us
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and the part that wasn't smoked, he he put together
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a cigarette and then he traded flower so he can
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: make matzos on Passover with water. He my father kept
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a religion as much as he could in the camps,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and he gets caught. But he gets caught, Um. He
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: got beaten a crazy because someone told on him on
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the streets in Budapest that that that man is making
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: false passports, and he got arrested. He goes to Auschwitz
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and then he volunteers to get out of Auschwitz, to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: speak to UH, to go to book and Wall, to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: work in a plane factory, and he gets liberated for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the American government, Um, the American Army. Second night of Passover,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: he gets liberated from book and Walter. Wow, how many
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: kids in the family. It's just me and my brother Joe,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Joe is six years old than me. He's a rabbi
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: in Boca Raton. Um. He's the rock and roll fan.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: He's the one that my brother is. Really. I was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a sports guy. I was. I was a sports agent.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I love sports. My brother loved rock and roll. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: remember when I got to pick up Jer Baker and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: he came to camp. I said to him Ginger. Um.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I heard two words growing up, God and Ginger Baker.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: My father Wou was talking about God and my brother
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Joey talked about Ginger. Joey is the Yeah, he still is.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: He's a rabbi and in all his congregation brings him
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: gold record and brings them records all day. It takes
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the concerts and you know that's he loves that. And
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: did you take piano lessons or play an instrument? Growing up?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I tried at the piano lessons guitar, and you know what,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I was terrible, and you know, and I wanted to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: be in my brother's band. And you know, because he
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: was a drummer, he got all the girls and he
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: was six years older and I couldn't do it. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I tried to be in the band and Um.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Then my Dad turned to me and he says, get
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: out of the band. You know. He said, you can
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: book six bands a night. So it was my dad
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and I booked my brother up in the castles. So
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: did you go to Jewish school? Did you go to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: regular public school? Now? I went to the Shiva. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: want to Aschiva my whole life. And you know, I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: have to both the Hebrews and English people in the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: English studies. And then I went to college for about
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a year. Um, it wasn't I went to Baruke in Manhattan. Um.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And then I met my first ball player. I was
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: twenty years old. I meet Elliot Mattics to center field
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of the Yankees, and um, and I always wanted to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: be a sports agent. So he introduced to Luke and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Ella and then I met Vince. Oh a little bit slower,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Let's go back to your Judaism. What is the future
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: of Judaism both worldwide and in America with so much
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: injured marriage? What's your philosophy or well that you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm very opinionate on that. I am so against into marriage, um,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: only because I think that, um, it will it will
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: lessen the Jewish race. Um. But on the other hand,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you know, love is important. So I'm at a stage
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: in my life where you know, love comes first, but
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I don't encourage into marriage. Um. But I respect everybody
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to find love in their life. So uh, you know
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: it's um, I asked to respect it. But I think Judaism,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I think we're doing better. I think, uh um, Israel
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: is becoming such an incredible place. I mean, the state
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: of Israel, all the technology that comes out of there. There,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: people are moving there. Um. You know, it's incredible. I
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: mean I I think Truthum is a nice city in Manhattan.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a great place to live. Okay, what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: about the increased anti Semitism in America in the last
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: four years. It's bad and it has been bad. You know.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I live in a neighborhood here in Hancock Park where
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you know they destroyed the you know the rioty. They
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: were you know, groth stuff on the walls of the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the synagogues and my daughter's schools. That was scary. That
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: was very scary. You know, I put acre out my
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: house because I was afraid what's going on? So you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: anti Semitism will always be there, um. But you know, uh, well,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: what am I gonna do we we we were not
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: gonna live. We're not gonna live. My dad was a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: very very strong about village and about being proud of
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: your Judaism, proud of your religion. Um, you know it's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I remember walking to synagogue in Galveston, Texas, and and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, Brocton Mats. We walked to the guy
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and a guy yelled out dirty June. My father. I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: never saw my father run so fast, and and he
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: tracked down those kids, and you know, walked into the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: high school, onto Brockton High and and he told the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: principal he's he was a real, real strong believer in Okay,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you're someone who wears a keep skull cap. It's you're
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: quite obviously Jewish. I would assume in this business and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: traveling around the country, you've encouraged and you even countered
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: anti semitism on a regular basis. You know, I can't
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I really encounter it. I know I was representing professional athletes. Um.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: You know, some of the general mounagers that say, you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: would be would be would say things to me, but
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think they realized what they were saying. UM.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And I you know, I think I think you'll get
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a kick out of this. I was, I was producing
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Dirty Dancing as a live tour. And if remember I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: did that tour. Uh I did it with Dennis Arfa
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and came up with his constant to put Dirty Dancing
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: on the road. And it was huge. It was. It
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: was a big, big, big tour for me and UM.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It played all around the world. And I got a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: phone call from the promoter in Germany. What was his name,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the Israeli guy um I just talked about the other day.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: He represented UM Michael Jackson there and he called me up.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: He said, David, I want to bring Dirty Dancing to Germany.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And I said, and he said, I love you half
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a million dollars And I said, I'm not taking Dirty
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Dancing to Germany. I said, I'm not selling a show
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: of Germany. I said, Bob, I was raised, you wouldn't
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: have lots of I could if I couldn't drive a Mercedes,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I couldn't drive a b W. I couldn't wear a
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: leather coat. If it was made in Germany, it wasn't
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: at my house. And so I said, no, I'm thinking
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of his name. I'll think of his name. Then another
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: promoter calls me up and he says, David. He says,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: we'll off he as seven and fifty to bring dirty
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: dancing to Germany. I said, I can't do it. You know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm gonna get I'm just not
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: doing it. And then I got a quote from a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: well known lawyer in this town and he said, David,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: please meet my promoter. Um he's in town. And what
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: really wants the big dirty dancing to Germany. Everyone knows
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna sell it, and but they take the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: meeting with him. So I'm gonna get paid. You know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: he's gonna speak. And the guy comes to see me
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: and he says it offers me a million dollars. He said,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a million dollars to do these shows
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: in Germany. So I said, you know, I'll think about it,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm not doing it. And I call that night.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I called my father at home. I said dead. I said,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be proud of me. I turned the million
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: dollars and I hear my father the on the phone.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: This up. I think this, Michiga, are you not nothing
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to take the money. You don't spend the money. Take
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the money. And I never forget to call the guy back.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I said, okay, for a million three, we'll do it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: And um I saw I did during dancing in Germany.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So you know, listen, I've been to every synagogue around
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the country. I spent the Sabbath at every rabbi kabbad house. Um.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: You know what, keeping the religions probably kept me enthusiastic
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: all these years. It kept me away from the drugs,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: It kept me away from you know, it just kept
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: me as much centered as I could be because I
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: knew that I need time off. And you know, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: this business is crazy, pub and crazy in the sense
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: that it's not reality. It's not reality. And um, you
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: know one thing that changed my life to two was
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I did a program about twenty years ago. Um. I
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: was a young lady here in l A recommend me
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: to the hostin process and I went away to this
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: place and uh for seven days and you know, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget changed my life and really to work
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: on myself because I've been doing this since I'm twenty
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: years old, around athletes, around stars, and you gotta see reality.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's hard. Okay, Uh, you go, let's go back
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to the cat's skills. Was there any chance to save
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the cats skills? And is there any way to resuscitate
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the cats skills? The mountains, you know, the mountains we
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: were was a great learning place for me because first
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: of all it was as an agent, you have to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: go at sell the docks in these hotels, in these bungalows.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: But it also taught me why worked for this agency.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: What they would do is they would go to Heny Youngman,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: say hey, Henny, here's fifty shows guarantee for the summer,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: for the ten weeks, for a Memorial Day to Labor Day.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: They would do that to Freddy Roman, they would give
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: it and they would book them in a bungalow colony.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: They would book them to open for humper dak at
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the concorde Um, you know, wherever they sent you. And
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that's how I got into these passage stores. I would
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: guarantee the money I took what I learned there. Now,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the problem with the castles was they were seving three
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: meals a day, and but I was the waiter up there,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and we would stuff our people so much. We'd beat
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: them a hundred main dishes because we knew at the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: end of the week we didn't want to get a
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: big tip, So you know, I bring them a side
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: of chicken inside of turkey. You know, I just keep
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you know, and no one will order a whole portion.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I just want to side the side of this, the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: side of that, and um, you would stuff them. And
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: now you gotta understand those comedians who worked up there,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the Freddy Roman, the Jack Carters, the Jen Murray's, none
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of those those great built and growths. They have to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: entertain people wait three meals a day at growth, seviers
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: in the concorde who stuffed themselves. And now at tenth
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: thirty night there was a singer would go on and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: then there was a comedian and trying to make people laugh.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: And you know, unlike where you buy a ticket to
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a show where you know you're sitting there like you're
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: gonna clap and everything. It's like doing those corporate dates
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: those artists. Hey, you know, I hate those corporate dates.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So those people get the show for free. So you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I was at a Beyonce show once and I still
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: have the people walked out because they didn't pay for it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: And that's a little as in the castles. They these
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: people sit back, Okay, did they sit back. They look
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: at the communities that got dat you enter tame me,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I dare you to make me laugh? And the stick
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that these guys had to do and these ladies, it
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: was incredible. I don't think the castle will ever come back.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: People don't want the three meals a day, um, but
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they want the homes up there. You know, it's still
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: a great place to go. And I recently sold my
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: house up there because I couldn't sell it. I thought
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: gambling was going to change. Okay, so your father says
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to stop playing and start booking your How old and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: how extensive is your booking business before you get into sports?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: So I was My booking business was basically I was
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: booking Jewish centers and organizations UM around the country. And
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I was booking UM. I was live in Herschel. Bernardi
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: was my first client, and and I was booking Herschel
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and UM and then in the castles. I was booking
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: those because the Bungalo colleagues in the hotels and uh.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And then I go into the sports business. And I'm
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: before you go into sports and you're going to college
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: one year, how how much is this a business? How
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: much money are you making or is it a sideline?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: What is it? It's you know, making thirty dollars a year.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't have to be a waiter.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm storry to make some money. Um, booking a corporate
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: dates and but you know, really synagogues and and I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was making my thirty that's pretty good money back then. Yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't bad. I was always making money.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: What did your parents say about you dropping out of school?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: My mother was so upset at me. Um, my father
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: didn't have a college education. My mother was so upset
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: at me. And I have to share something, you know.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: At the last camp, you know, and we all worked
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: on our childhood and our parents. It's all about our
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: parents where we come from. I'll stay only at the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: last At the last camp, he did. He gets up
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: there and he says, he gets interviews and one of
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the kid, I have a young kid who interviewed him
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and he said to him, so, what did your parents
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: think when you became successful? And he says, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: my my mother she was so proud of me. My
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: father he was jealous. He still alive, my father, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: he's jealous of me. And he was jealous of my success.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden I got hit. I thought
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that my brother was the favorite. That he was six
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: years older. My brothers the rabbi. He went to college,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: he went to masters. You know, he got his master's,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and you know, he was the favorite. I always walked around.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: He was the favorite. And I realized that it wasn't
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that my mother was jealous of me. She was jealous. Um,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I was living this good life and and you know
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I had a nice home and a nice apartment out
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: of place in Israel, and you know that, I think
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: so my mother was really always upset. You can't make
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: it without going to college, you know, Bob. I looked
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: back at it, and I did go back to college.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: After I did that house in process us and I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: try to find myself. I went back. I did some years,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and I did. I went to Ford and took a
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of classes. And I think she's just right, you know.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I tell my kids, now, you've got all
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: my kids got masters. They all get to finish college.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And yu, my my my son the other day said
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you should be a lawyer. Um, I really believe in education.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: But here I was. I had an opportunity too. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: was representing a baseball player twenty years old. I picked
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: up ll Matic and then Luke Panella. So you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you go to college to try to find a job
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: at a living and I was able to find a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: living at twenty years old. Okay, how did you make
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the deal to represent Elliot Maddox? So I was writing
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: for the the newspaper, the Jewish Press, and I was
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: staying in a camp in the summer, and um they
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: were having uh I was staying at this this camp
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and Dr J showed up and all these ballplayers, um
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: were showing up to these camp and uh, I saw
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: how crazy these kids would go. And and here I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: was collecting money, trying to get paid for these bungal
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: callbinator owners and the hotel owners, for the comedians and singers.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I sold them and they would say, they said to me,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I've been taken up twenty five hours because the singer
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: didn't do a song from Findler on the Roof or
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the comedie wasn't funny. I said, this is crazy. I'm
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna book ball players. I wanna get ball
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: when they show up their heroes. They signed autographs and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: That's when I did. I went to Elliot Mattics. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: met him at Yankees say him. I was doing an
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: interview I Jews in sports, and my first guy was
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Ron Bloomberg. I went interview him and then I asked
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: if he did the appearance of the camp. He said,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: he's rehabbing. He says, meet Elliot Mattics, and uh. I
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: went up with Elliot and I just started a business.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: They said, let's start representing ballplayers together. So I opened
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: the little company called Elliot Mattics Enterprises. And then he
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: injud me to lou Pinella and uh, and then lose
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you know, really was the start of my you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: my my start of my sports career. He introduced me
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to Vince Ferrik. I'm out here for the dryer out here,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and you know, the one thing about ball players are
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: if you do a good job for them, they share
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: locker rooms to get other so they recommend you and uh.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And then I got still sims of the quarterback as
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the Giants, and then I got the whole offensive line.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I was representing nine of the New York Giants in
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties six. I couldn't even take on any more clients.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: You know, one team, you and nine players? So how
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: did you get lou? How did lose? Say? Yes? Did
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: he have an agent previously? No, he never had any.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Those sports guys didn't have agents. So I called Loud
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: to do an appearance at the camp and I picked
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: him up and drove him there and afterwards, let's forget.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: He said, whence you come to my house? Blocker? He
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: gave me, He gave me twenty hours and he said
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: histily against and no, no, please, I don't want it,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he said. He invited me to his house and I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: had my yamaghan. He said, you want to have lunch here?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I said, no, I keep kosher. But I started talking
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to him and I said, do you have an agent?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: He says no, and uh. I said, well let me start.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to see if I'm go out
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to some commercials and some appearances. And he said, go
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: for it, and uh, and I did. And I called
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: up every bank and in the town. I called bombs
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: close us in New York, I called wherever and the
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: anks were hot and you know that year and seventy
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: nine and uh, and Bucky Dennet just hit the home
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: run and William Morris's represent any Buckey den So I would, uh,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I call somebody and they bump into somebody, but they said, oh,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: we're thinking of Bucky Dennet, William Mars and sad. How
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: much do they charge you? They said, I've got little Panela,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I'll do it for seventy five. And I pad commercials
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and I hustle for little and then eventually he asked
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: me to negotiate his contract with George Steinbrenner. Um, and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I negotiated with George and um and again you know,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: if you do great for one player, they help you.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You know, they recommend other players. Okay, you're negotiating with
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: George Steinbrenner. He's made all this money and shipyards and
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff. He owns the Yankee. You're you're
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a little pischer. I'm a little How do you even
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: do that? Are you uptight? Are you confident? There's so
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: much you don't know? How do you do it? What
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: was the experience like? So that wasn't edible because um,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you're right, I didn't know. I wasn't. I'm not a
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: US sportsman. Um. But what I did was I have
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a philosophy negotiations there's three things to win these information,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: power and time. And the the time is that George
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: had to sign love um or else Louis can become
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a free agent, and uh, he would have lost them
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: to other teams. So what I did was I called
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: around to all the general managers in baseball and I said, hey,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I represented Luke Panella. Are you interested in it was
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent. Now at that time, the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Yankees had until a certain time were to sign him,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Georgie sign to sign him, and um. So I remember
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: calling all these general managers and they all said David
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: was not going to leave the Yankees and George is
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: never gonna let him go and um. And then one
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: general manager split the spilled the bease with me said, uh,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: he says, listen at the owners meeting last week, George
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: got up and said, whoever negotiates against my players, you
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: offer ten dollars, I'm gonna offer twenties. So don't go
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: after Reggie Jackson, don't go after Lucanella, don't go after
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: my players. When Luke called me, he saw or our Schluter.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to talk, you know, he said, Well,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I worked out I'm reading with George. And I remember
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I'm in l a and um I was working with
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the association too at the time. I fly down to
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Florida and I'm gonna walk into this meeting with George
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Diebner and I'll never forget his desk was the size
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: of I mean, it was a long penis. I had
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to say, I mean, what he's He's at the head
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of that, the head at the table, and I walk in.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: He sits me down and and he basically, uh he said, well,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: what do you want. I said, well, George, I'm here
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to talk about loose contract and to let him be
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a free agent. I said, you know, George, he can
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: never be a free agent. You're never gonna let him go.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You're never gonna let him go. And uh So, basically
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I was able to negotiate. I got Lou a huge contract.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And because I basically had the information that George really
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let him go. The information I had was
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: time and he was in a rush to make the deal.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And powers in the mind. I looked in there with power,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I said, I got you know, I love these players.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I as a fan, I loved seeing these players and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: and uh so I was really uh an advocate for them.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: You know, early on, I was an advocate for these players.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: And the great thing was that at the same time,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I had the entertainment business going, so I wasn't desperate.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I wasn't desperate that I could negotiate a sports contract.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: You know those days. You know, I had Vince Faragamo
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: and and he got um I went when he hired
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: me to negotiate his contract. The agent he had before
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: him was getting paid off by the by the general
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: manager of the ramps. And you know, they was getting
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: he was getting free tickets and they would getting um.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: He was getting a bone. He got fifteen thousand dollars
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to get Vince to sign. And you know, I hear
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I was as naive kids coming into l A. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you know I, you know, Vince hired me, and I
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and I you know, so I was really honest and
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: straight with these guys and I and I didn't um.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't kiss up to them because but
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: it's only because I had another business. You know, if
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had show business, I probably wouldn't have
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: been that strong get the attainment this in sports, you know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: So the two things really helped me bounce my life. Okay,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: two things. You have pressure because these are household named
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: athletes too. It's kind of like buying a car. You
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: make an offer and they go berserk. You're insulting me whatever.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: You know, how did you handle that? How did you
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: keep your gumption in your nerves? Well, you know it was.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I try not to be a fan. You know, that's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the one thing about me. I'm not a fan. I'm
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: not I mean, I'm a Celtics fan. So I remember
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: callably read outback about a player and I said, read, um,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I gave you the player for free. I always want
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to win, but I you know, I was a Red
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Sox fans. I wasn't really a Yankee fan. But I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: did a lot of research. I would hire college kids
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: to get me the best research. When I was negotiating contracts,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you know, guys to go. I hired a rabbi once
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to negotiate help me with Dave Magnet's negotiations because he
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: understood from that, you know, I get to analyze baseball.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Contracts are really analysis of a guy hits sixty two RBIs,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: another guy has sixty two r bis. My guy Maggant
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: and hit sixty to r bis. But you know, sixty
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: one of them the score was two to one and
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: he tied it up too to two, or he took
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the lead, or you know, so they were meaningful. There
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: are a lot of guys out there who have thirty
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: home runs and they hit up on the score seven two,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: so they make the score eight to two. So you know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you really have to do your research. And that's that's
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: what it was negotiating sports contracts. Okay, there was a
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: long time where people had the lead contracts in terms
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: of compensation. What was your philosophy? So, um, yes, there
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: were many contracts that. Uh. I was a believer that
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I put a lot of my players into annuities. Um.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Back then you were able to to, you know, get
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the team to pay the money into annuity and or else.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I recommended my players to get anuities. And you know
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: about I don't know. Fifteen years ago, I got a
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: call from a player here in l A and he said, David,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I gotta check in the mail for house. And I said,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get that check every month for the next
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: thirty years of your life. And I was a big, big,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: big fan of that because I was I knew that
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: their careers were gonna end. And I and I, while
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I never did any financial management, I always made sure
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: they had their own accountants, they have their own lawyers.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be and I didn't want to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: manage it because I saw too many players soothe their
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: agents for handling the money. You know, when Louis the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: general manager of the Yankees, he told me a story
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that Ricky Henderson's agent, uh call you know, Lucas the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: call from the accountant at the Yankees and said, hey,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: lou h, you signed Ricky, but he didn't cash his
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: check for billion dollars sigimones and the years gone by,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: and he told him to check. And Louke call them.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Calls up the agent, he says, and the guy says, well,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: don't um. He says, you got our check. So I
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: got the check right here. Ricky is gonna deposited, you know,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: and we know what we're gonna do with it. So
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I knew that wasn't my forte. My forte was go
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: out and make them money. I didn't want to manage
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: their money, but I always kill them. You've gotta have
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: few money in your career, and it's gonna end. Your
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: career is gonna end. It's not show business. And even
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: in show business, you know you're gonna have to protect yourself.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: And so they all have done well. Okay to touch
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: with them all today. Okay. In sports, what was the
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: agents deal with the athlete? Financially? It was three and um,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you know you get three percent of the contract percent
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: on the merchandizing. And you know for years, you know,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I was William Marts and CIA who are now doing
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: great with sports, they would never do those deals. Um,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: they would never did sports. They never they never did
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: because they didn't they said, how can we charge an
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: artist ten percent? And uh, how can we charge of
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: ten percent and then charge a ballplayers represent until they
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: woke up one day and said, there's a lot of
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: money in sports. There's a lot of money in sponsorship
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: and uh but yeah they no one was doing it.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I was the only one doing at payment in sports.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't care. I liked it. There's also an issue
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: with Sunset clauses and getting paid. What was your experience
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: with that? You know, you make a five year deal
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know how your contract for structure,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: but you have our problems getting paid or getting paid
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: on sunset clauses or anything like that. So I used
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: to treat these ballplayers as artists, you know, I called
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: them every day. I feel the relationship of many many
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: athletes agents that you know, they would negotiate the contract
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and then they wouldn't you know, talk to player three
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: years later, and they were upsetting hundreds of guys. And
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: that's the way the business was. I treated my my artists,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: my athletes as artists because that's where I learned to
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: do it, you know, whether it's the castles or music act.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: And so I really I never had a problem getting paid. Um.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: But you know you you know when you got paid,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: they paid to December. That's when they would write to
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: check out. So I had no cash flow and that
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: was rich in December and I got stuck paying the taxes,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you know. So that's why the entertainment business for me,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I was doing this tours simultaneously. Now, having the tours,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: having the music and the sports really helped. For For example,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: when when Phil Simms, uh he was doing a speaking engagement,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: well to start with Luponella he was doing, I got
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: him an endorsement with members only, UM. The jackets. So
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: then I said to the little I said, he speak
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: to the president. I'm doing this tour with the turtles
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and the grassroots happening. He goes, I want to get
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: his corporate sponsor. So Lose says to the guy, Hey,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: why don't you sponsor Glavias tour? What my tours called
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: members only. I was the first one doing this. I
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I went to Phil Sims and he was sitting next
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: to the president of of Chunky Monkey for Chunky's uh
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: in the bisco whatever. No, that wasn't a bisco was
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: not hers. She's let's go. He was doing a personal
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: parents And I turned to sell I said, still asked
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the guy got the monkeys going out, maybe he can,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: you know, sponsor the tour, and Phil saying, my my agent, David,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: what he's doing the monkeys? I got? I thought I
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: got tours sponsorship. Um, I was a ballplayers that got
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: had it. My favorite one is I was doing the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: American Gladias Live Tour and I was desperate to find
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: the corporates. My my business was the way I did
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the tours was I find a corporate sponsor, then I
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: would create the tour. I would basic create the tour,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: find a corporate sponsor, then go to an agency like
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: William Morris and CIA, and and then I would um,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and then and then I would UM. So
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I had five revenues. I had the corporate of the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: corporate sponsor to William R. City with book the date.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I made money on the merchandise. I made money on
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you sound the lights, you staid an extra
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: because he's a charge on the contracts extra sound lights.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: And then there was already percentages. I would make money
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and that was my business model. And that's how I
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: created all these tours before Live Nation, before CIA and UM.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: But it was the sports that brought me these deals.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: And UM, I never forget. I was doing the Sumeric
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Gladia Tour and I was desperate to get a corporate
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: sponsor because you know, you need a sponsor to fund them.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: And UM, I got a call from Rock Road. He
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: was a sportscaster in New York, and he said, you know,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: we want to interview you for a sports show to
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: talk about the UM, to talk about Phil sims Is
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: having a UM. I think it was Bruner. He was
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: another quarterback. Bill parcels Uh kicked the other quarterback and
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: he says, will you go on? And I never went
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: on the air talk sports because you know, what do
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I know about sports compared to these players? And I said,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I'll do it because about one condition that you asked
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: me about. You know, you asked me about my Merk
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Gloody and Live tour. So I showed up to the
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: studio and I see the last question. It says, if
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: there's time on the on the on the monitor asked
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: him about us the Berke Glady Live Tour, and so
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: he helpened up the show itself. I guess the David
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Fish talking about the quarterback controversy here in New York,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and uh David to tell us about the controversy. And
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I turned to the guy and I said, Rock, I
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: said this, it's no difference in the Merk Bloody and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Live tour that I'm doing this summer. And I'm telling
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you you got Phil Sims going against up Bruner and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: there and they want to win the and who's gonna
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: be the number one quarterback? And by the way, I'm
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: looking for a sponsor. The next day, a guy calls
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: he from seven eleven. I heard you on the sports
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: show last night, and he says, I want to buy
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: this and he took me on and he said, I'm
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: gonna buy it from a Coca Cola buy for me.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: And that's how I got corporate sponsorship. How did you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: get out of sports? So by the time I was
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I was doing the Monkeys and that was six and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: it was great, and I kept doing it. Um, I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: got out of sports. I guess when when I did?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Still since this contract as a broadcaster, um, and then
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: most of my players started to retire and they quit.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I um barbaro and I did. I did
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: lose a lot of contract when Cincinnati read, but it
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: was just too much, you know. And you know I
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: cared about I care about the guy. I care about
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: all my clients. And you know, the other day I
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: was having a year ago, I was having lunch with
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Tom Consolo, the great manager say Hagarn, and we were
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: talking about, um, you know, the old days, how it
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: was and when we were you know, we were there,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: but we weren't there our family life and and you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: know he said and wronged me. I was never there
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: growing up with my kids earlier. I mean, I don't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: feel guilty, but I was always worried about this client.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: And that client, and so you know, it was it
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: was skinning a lot. I was a lot of ballplayers,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: so I started so too. Once once my players retired, Um,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: then I was gonna, you know, staying Nio entertainment full time.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: And I was single, and I just just it was
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: it was the time for me to leave. And and uh,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to recruit these young kids. I didn't
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: relate to the young kids anymore. And so I was
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: basically it and I thought, you know, let me just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: do entertainment. Okay, can you delegate or do you have
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: to do it. I tried to delegate, and you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: it's hard, and they it's hard to delegate. I'm doing
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: it now with with Britt and she's great. Um, I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: gotta find some good people. And you know there's no question, Uh,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: this rock camp is is really gonna get big. I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: think the film, I'm seeing what's happening, and I gotta
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: find some people. I gotta find an organization to partner with.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I gotta find somebody that, um that I could trust
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: that I can. You know, when I did that Dirty
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Dancy tool it Denni's our front. We were partners. That
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: was incredible. Bob. You know, I had a partner that
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: that we were twenty four seven done. It's a hard worker.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: We we've made a lot of money and we have
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: fun doing it. So I really want to find somebody
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: that that can really work with me, and we'll just
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: willing to do the touring because I want to put
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: rock Camp back on the road. Let's say I say
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: tomorrow we're gonna take your phone away. You can stay
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: in your house. Your family is going to be out
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: on vacation. Is that torture or is that Godhead? It's torture.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I like to be around the kids, you know. I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: love being around the family, and and you know, well,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: let's make it more about business. Are you the type
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: person who makes a hundred phone calls a day? Or
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: are you the type person of God? I don't want
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: to talk to him. No, I like to work. I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: like to work. You know I wanted, but I'm not
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: talking about work. I guess. Are you don't really a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: people person? You only thrive when you're interacting with people?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Yes or no? Yes? Yes totally. I love people. I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: love talented people. I love people. Um yeah, I need people. Okay, monkeys?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Why so in n six. I I'm you know, I'm
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: staying in a hotel and in Kansas City, and the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: phone and I was in this room at two o'clock
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: from when I couldn't sleep and the Monkey TV show
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: comes on and I said, wow, that's the show I remember,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and I remember the monkeys because that was able to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: show my parents let me watch on television. You know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: my dad was direct and they didn't want me to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: watching the garment. They call it the direct. Do you
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: have the word direct? What are your doing? So they wouldn't.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: They only show that, let me watch for the monkeys.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: So now I decided to call up. I checked out
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Peter Torque, he's teaching, he's teaching music lessons and I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: was look at card teacher on the west side. So
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I invited to come to my to Ron Delsis show
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: that we were doing at the Pier and he's sitting
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: at the side of the stage and I said him,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I said, um, Peter, this is what I'm doing. I'd
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: love to put the monkeys back together. So he tells me, um,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: he comes to show and he's loving and he's tapping
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and seeing. And then the next morning we got together
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: and I said, hate me to meet. Can I meet
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: the other guys he's out taking anyone. Let's go meet
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Mickey and let's go meet dating. So it's nineteen eighties,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: six eighty five, eighty five, and so I find out
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: first of all that they don't own the name the Monkeys.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Um. So I had to go
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: to Columbia Pictures and I had to get the name
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: for the name the Monkeys. So I call up the
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: guy the West Coast and he says to me, you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: gotta call this guy in New York Licensing Department day
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: on the day they control the monkeys, and said, okay.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: So I called the guy up and he says, to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: the fish, up, take me to a take me to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: a baseball game. He says, uh, I know who you are,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and I want to I want to go to a Yankee.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: So I take them to a Yankee game. I call
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: up lou and I said, Luke, I said, I'm bringing
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: you guys. Will call me a pictures. Can you give
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: a baseball bat and the ball inside the ball before
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: he's a strugging, no problem. I bring the guy to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the game and I bring him on the field and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden Reggie Jackson and fucking Dent and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: all these players are coming over to me, heaving me
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: baseballs and signed baseballs and baseball globs. And I needed
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: garbage back to put all this stuff in there for
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: the guy. So um, I said to Bobby Mercer was
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: my client, and said, Bobby, tell me what what's going
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: on here? Why are all these guys coming on with me? Said? Well,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Lou got up at the in the in the club
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: bounces that are my agents, fish offers come with the project,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: probably of pictures, and and I gart so go to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: him and his friend, and all these guys came over.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: They all want to be a show business, you know.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: And uh so this guy was like blown away. We
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: said the game and I turned him and I said,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I want to buy the name the Monkeys. Let's want
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: to rent it for a year. And he said, David,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: no one's used the name in twenty years. He says,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: what do you want to give me? I said, you know,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: give me five thous and and you know you can
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: have the name. So my bird, and that was just then.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I've put the other tour the Monkeys that that's gonna
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: be my third Halfit together to the monkeys, the hermit Hermits,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the grassroots and Gary Puckett and the Unique Gap and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I'll sill be my package and I'm gonna put it
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: out that summer. Unbeknownst to me, I'm in seventeen seventy five. Broadly,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sharing office space with Gary Curfiss, the lake Gary
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: curves in front of me. I have um Blondie's walking
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: by my office all day, and I'm seeing the Ramones
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the B fifty because the other side of the office
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: was was Chef Chef Gordon was up there. We're all
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: in this guy Bert Fidel's office and um, you know
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: what did they meet? Loost managers were there. Everybody was
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: up in that office, and m I'm on the seventies
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: seventy five, so I'm going up and down the elevators
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: of Bob Pittman and Tom Freston. And now you know
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: these days since since wasn't playing as great, you know
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: those before a six, you know, so people walk around
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: the street. They would see me with my jamaica. They
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: even said that sins. You know, we lost the bet.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: You know, people were nasty in New York, you know,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, a gentleman calls up from
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Billboard back and he says, did you hear the MTV
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: is gonna be airy twenty four hours the Monkeys? And
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I said no, And I said, well, I'm gonna go
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: up stairs. I run up stairs to Bob Pittman's office
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: and I said, Mr Pittman, Hi, I'm David Fishing. We
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: always see each other the ell you have the sports
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: stag and sit down. How can I help you? I said, well,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I'm doing the Monkeys as a summer tour. He's not
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: telling you the sports. I said, I do sports, but
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing the Monkey, said I do this package.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: He's I'll make a deal with your kids. He says, uh,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you you mentioned my new fledging network, MTV in all
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: your ads as seen on MTV, and I'm gonna promote
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you on television and you know and and TV. That's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: a great He announces my tours. I go on sale
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: and I was selling at the time three thousand seeds
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: to Happen together tours. We do the nether Lands, all
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: the Empithuds. We're gonna sell in Chicago, Pine Pine, and
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: we do pineab in Detroit, Possla Creek. I still have
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: h twenty eight thousand tickets in in Chicago. Can you
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: imagine I'm going for one year doing three thousands, twenty
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: eight thousands Pineab We saw two Pineabs. We sell out
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: sixteen thousand night there. We sell out Texas Stadium, We
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: sell out everywhere. It's this is crazy. It's all these
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: little girls coming home and the and the mothers said,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: where were you all night? Mommy? I was in live
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: buying monkey tickets. What do you mean I want to go?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: So these girls didn't know that the Monkeys are an
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: all band. So the mothers came and they bought tickets
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: for the first fifty rows with the Monkeys. Well, it
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: was incredible. It was so over my head. But I,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I lucked out. I was paying them salaries.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I put him in busses. Um, and then I eventually, um,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we became we made a partnership when my
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: contract was over. Then I booked them in that the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: following tour. And how about Ringo? How do you uh
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: come up with you all star band tours? So um,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: then after I did Dirty Dancing, I did that as
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: a live tour, and um, the president of PEPSI came
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: to me and he said, you know, we love what
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: you do, and um, we want to sponsor the next tour.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: It's the twenty fifth Anniversary's Gunny malapottas she came up
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: with the Pepsi generation. So he said to me, uh,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: we want to sponsor your next tour and um, so
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: come up with some ideas. And I went back to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: him with the idea of I have an idea to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: ring on the All Star band and uh, he's what
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: do you want? And so I want a million dollars
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: and he said, um, he said, uh, a million dollars. Okay,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I'll make a deal with you. I'll give you a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: million dollars to spots to you next tour, but I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: want to make the next million and uh and then
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: we'll do fifty fifty yes, okay. I don't offer a
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: million dollars in my hands. And that's why I wrote
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the Rainbow Star and I said, I have an offer
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: for a million dollars. What you do the tour and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: do a tour? It was All Star band. And I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: went over there and I got to meet him and uh,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Rose Lawyer a letter and says come on over. I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: go over to England and back in those days didn't
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: have cell phones. And I remember taking all my Beatle
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: books with me reading it. And he didn't tell me
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: when he's gonna when I'm gonna get in there, said,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: you're doing in there once, you know, for one of
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: these days, I'll call you in your room and you'll come.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I never left my room and I'm reading all these
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Beetle books. I've only got a call Friday morning to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: come to his office. And I went to those office
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: and I um pitched him on the idea. I walked
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: in with a radio commercial, you know, one those spots
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: It's coming love. I've been concert, you know. I wanted
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: him to see what my vision was. I brought an
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: ad and uh he turned to it and I was
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: thinking the same thing and he was he was thinking
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: the same thing, and so uh, that's how I came
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: up with the idea, and we we made a deal.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: And what was more entice? What closed the deal? He
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: hadn't been on the road for all. Was it being
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: on the road and playing or was it the money? No,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was the money. I think it
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: was I think because they have to pay all those
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: taxes in England. I think the money made it real
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: to him that I'm gonna guarantee the money naturally, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was to him as emplawyer and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: business manager. The money, you know, the money money shows love,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: you know, so it should. You know how many of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: these artists today they really need the money. You're paying
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: the money, but many of them, you know, they want
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: the money, but I think the money it types them
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: that I was real, you know, I bet you. So
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: many people contact and said, hey, I want to manage
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: you and come on the road, and you'll make this
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: and make that. You know, you put a check in
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: front of someone's face, it makes a big difference. So um,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I offered him the million dollars, and the million dollars
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: was net to him, notting. I know, I took my million.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: That was my idea, and I said, I'm going to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: give it to him, and then I'll whatever i make
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: on the tour. Um you know, I'll get my paid.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I'll get paid. I'll get paid, you know. That was
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the Positively. The deal with Pepsi was fifty fifty on
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the profit. So the current I took that advance that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: I got from Pepsi, and I gave that toringdo and so,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: and then then came by. I wrote names of bands
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: of you know, band members. I did some reason a
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: couple of things slowly. Sure he was a million dollars
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: as much as Ringo was gonna make or was there
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: any upside for window? Well, in the end he wanted
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: more money and I gave him. I to give him
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: more money, and um, and I guaranteed a certain amount
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: of shows. You know, I think I remember how many shows?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Was twenty five shows? And um, you know it was
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: twenty five shows at the time, and um, but I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: think there was I remember what the concept of the
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: all star band that was totally yours. It was my idea.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: And Ringo said to me that morning, I was thinking
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: the same thing, and how did you come up with
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: that idea? Okay, so my brother, My brother was a
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: drummer and he idolized range Star and uh, I was Bob.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I wake up every morning thinking of the new idea.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I can't you know. I go through these books, these
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Billboard books. I look for talent. I'm always thinking. My
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: brain does style. So I love rock Wall Fantasy Camp.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Every day. It keeps me. Hey, let me call Abby
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Rode Studios. Let's do a camp there. Let's you know,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I'm always thinking. I'm always thinking. And you know, the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: minute I stopped thinking, stuffy passion, I quick. But you know,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: so I like these package tours and and to and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: to get when you get a company like PEPs, he says,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: we love what you're doing. You use Mountain dew and um,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: you know it gives you validation, validation that you know
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. So, um, I was motivated. And uh
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: he hadn't been on the road. And and I was
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: a big Stan by the way, I loved Yellow Submarine
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: and all my friends, they were my favorite. So for
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: my bro Joe, he was the drummer. He had alized
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: rain Go, So you know, Joey was my incentive. And
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: uh so that was it. And how did you decide
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: on the other members of the band. So the other
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: members of the band. I gave my ideas. But then
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: he decided when he saw that this is gonna be real,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: he called up Joe Walsh and he said we could
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: join my band. He called lev On Helm, he called
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: rit Rick Danko, Um, I think he called I called Mills,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: I called Clarence. You know, I made my list and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: you know, Billy Preston and together we put it together
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: and and it was brilliant. It was it was it
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: was really it was so much. So was magic. It
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: was really magic that that that tour, and that was
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: that was the tour. That was that was the magical tour. Okay,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: you know as well as I that as well as
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: me that, Uh, people get star struck. So you're in
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: the room with Ringo. Are you star struck? Are you nervous?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Or he's just another guy? You and me both. No,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you can't be a fan that turns them off. But
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: what's going on through your head? I was never a fan,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: you know. I was a fan of the Monkeys, you know,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: but I realized once I met people, I would be disappointed. So, um,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I was a Neil Diamond fan. You know. I grew
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: up and if you see that movie the the Jazz
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Singer and uh, you know I saw thirty times. I
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: fly down to Florida first class and fly him coach
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: because I come wanting to watch that. Still that's my story.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: You know. I'm a cantus on. I do pray to
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: high holidays. My dad got sick and and then I
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: cut the meat. Neil Diamond. I walked into the deli.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: He was sitting there with Larry King at uh what
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: was that deli? Umh ny? Now I walked to name
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: how every morning Larry King had breakfast Larry King and
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: then Neil Diamond and I sat down next to him,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and I like, I was mesmerized. And I realized the minute,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, it just I he was the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: only guy that I was really mesmerized to meet one day.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: And then I got disappointed. So no, I wasn't um
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: with me. It's not it's not mesmerized by these people.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I just respect their counts. And I said, I can't
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: get on stage and do that. And no, I'm not
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: really MESMERI right, but I am. Listen Bringo star, no
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: question about it, you know. I mean it's a beatle
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: and I can see the way people reacted, and there
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: the questions that people ask the all day. Um. But
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: you know, they all put their feet and they put
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: their clothes on the same way, and they're more talented
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: that way. But I've never start stuff. Okay, all of
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: us have met it, you know, in the bus met
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. Hey, is there anybody you haven't
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: met who you would like to meet be anybody above
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: and beyond. I mean it's like Steven Tyler. Okay, he's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Steven Tyler in real life. He's not only that guy
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: on stage. And it's very because mostly people it's two
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: different people. He really lives up to the image. So
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: is there anybody you haven't met or a couple of
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: people go wow? I mean what inexperience? You know. I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: gotta tell you. The interesting thing is the English I can.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you share to the difference between
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the English stars and the and the American rock stars.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: The the English stars, it's a business. Bill Wyman, I'm
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: going to work. Roger Dolph, I'm gonna work. Nick Jagger,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna work. This is a job. Their fathers were
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: labors and they go to be a rock stars is
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: a job. The American guys they want to be, you know,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: they think they have to leave that crazy life. So
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: it's really a difference. Am I mesmerized? I'm not mesmerized
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: as much as I'm m I'm not star struck, but
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I do respect to be in the presence of Roger Daltrey.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love him. I think that what he
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: did get on that stage and do what they do.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Um or the or the songs that they people have written.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I just respect them. That's so I love camp.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I get to meet all these great people. But some
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: people I wish I didn't me. Okay, So you keep
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: mentioning Roger Daltrey. You know there's business friends and they're
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: real friends. Are any of these musicians you real friends?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: He would talk about you know what happened this day?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: You'd call in between camps? Or is it really business
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: with all these people? Well, it's always business. It's all business.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: But I have to tell you when a nine eleven happened.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I'm in New York. My first phone call came from
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Roger Doltree. How's your family? So? He, to me is
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: a real friend. And we've had you know, listen, we've
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: had huge fights, him and I. You know, we've had disagreements.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Um and I remember writing him a long letter because
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I was upset at him. Um. No, most you know,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I would say, it's all business with most people, but um, Rogers,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: he's just different than all of them. You know, he
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: calls me after a camp, How was that? How was
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: that guy? How did he enjoy it? He? Yeah, he's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: he's got a different heart than all of them. Okay,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: so why did you decide to make the movie The
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Rock Camp Moving? So I decided to do it because, Um,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Jeff Broke approached me from UM who was you know
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: rand Randy h One for a while and and he
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: was he He approached me and he said, um, you know,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: he came to see the camps. So we hadn't seen
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: each other a long time. He went to work with
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: um Bob Pittman a O L. And he went to
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: the NBC and and he can't see the camp. He see,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you should do this as a film, And
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I I said, on one condition, I don't want to
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: be in the film. I said, I don't want to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with it. I said, you talked
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: about the rock cards of the people. You know. It's
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: one thing I did learn from Ringko. Every time I
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: go to him with an interview, he said, oh, give
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: it to Nils, give it to Billy Preston. He always
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to give it to everybody else. He wanted it
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: to be a band decision. And last thing I needed
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: was more publicity. Um, you know, I got kids. I
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: want to marry a moha, I got grandkids and the
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: last thing I needed more publicity and and um But
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: what happened was that they all came back and they
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: wanted me to be in it and tell the story.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I'll do this. And what what
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: really motivated me to do it was yeah, many times, Bob,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: do you go to a film and you see the trailer,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: You see the trailer and you love the trailer, and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: then obviously you see the film and you're so disappointed. Um.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Or you go to a concert and how many trying
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: to go to a concert and an artist starts playing
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: his new music. I can't stand that. But I felt
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I can never tell the story about this rock camp
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: and it's frustrating. It to a thirty minute commercial, one
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: minute curse. But the magic is once to go into
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: those you go into that into that magical for four
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: and eights of rock camp and it's totally different. So
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to show us for the film.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I want to show you how credible your friend Jene
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Simmons is that he comes to a camp. You know
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: that we could have a long conversation. But but but
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: before we yet the gene when was the movie idea hatched?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: How much did it cost and who paid for it?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Five years ago? It was hatched five six years ago.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: It was funded by Campers. I went and raised money,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: UM and Jonah, Jeff Campers, you know, the best of
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: the money in it and cost over a million dollars. UM.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: It wasn't supposed to cost that. I'll never make a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: film again, UM, but it was. You know, basically, it
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: was very expensive, UM because it needed creatitors. Jeff didn't
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: take a penny until its UM. The artist all did
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: it for me. UM, and they were great in the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: film and m but I'm hoping that we're gonna you look,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: here's the biggest problem with rock Camp. Do you know
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: people scared to come? So you know, yeah, you have
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: you advertised Jeff Beck and I lost forty grands. How
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: can you lose money? I have the greatest guitar player
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: in the world there because everyone, you know, they're they're
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: afraid to come. I'm not Jemmy with Jeff Beck and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: they're they're scared. So that's the je is the best ever.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: But I want to acknowledge that. But let's go back.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: What was your goal in making the film? Was it
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: more of an advertisement to spread the word or did
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: you want to make money? I want to make money.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I I wanted to show what it went done. I
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: want to show how people say. Well, I really want
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: to show that at any age, you could take any idea.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: You want to be a musician, you want to write
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: a book, you want to create an app. I wanted
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: it to be to any age people could see a
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: thirty years old that it's not too late to do
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: relive your dream. And um, that's really why why I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: wanted the film made. So Okay, the film comes out
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: on v O Day, it's plays theaters, but we're in COVID.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Hey why did you release it at this particular time?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: B Did you think about making a deal with Amazon
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: or Netflix so that people didn't have to pay for
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: or maybe that's coming. I don't know. Okay, so we
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: released Typicals. We finally finished it, and uh and we
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: had to. We wanted to get it out and uh
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: and I think it's a great time to get the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: film out because you know, the country needs It's unlike
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: any other you know, it's not a film like like
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: behind the music. You know, band makes it big and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: then they build all their money and then they go
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: back again. So it's not one of those didn't want
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: to make that kind of film. Um. I didn't getting
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: interest in the beginning for Netflix or Amazon that would
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: have paid from enough for the film. And um, you know,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: I we went to Netflix, but they weren't buying at
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the time. And and I tell you and I also
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: thought about Amazon about Netflix is here. I saw the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Bruce Spring scene UM film on Broadway. It was great,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: but you saw that they promoted for two days, three
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: days and minutes over here I can I got to
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: go with the movie theaters. I got critics to see it. Um,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm ninety two on Rotten Tomatoes. Um, and now gonna
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: go v O D is gonna go to Apple and
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: the February sixties and Amazon and then and I didn't
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: release it around the world yet, just here in America,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: and then slowly I want to roll it out because
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: I want to do camps in England and South America
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: and in Japan and Australia. I want to take this
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: thing globally. So I wanted to go slowly with it
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: and see the reaction. And so it's been. It's it's
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: quite interesting, a new world for me, it's a new world.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: On a business perspective, I thought it was a great
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: streaming flick for one of the platforms, primarily Netflix. I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: look at the Motley Crew film, which was sort of
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: a cartoon. I'm not the biggest Crew fan, but I
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: enjoyed the film and word spreads. Of course. The best
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: example of this was in the eighties with Eddie and
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: the Cruisers. Was middling film in the theaters and it
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: played on HBO. Blew up, Well that's hoping is gonna happen? Yeah, okay,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: let's go back. You said you had sixteen paying customers
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: at the first Rock camp. Needless to say, you lost money.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: You're regrouped, and you said what So I okay, So
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I did that camp and get all this press media
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: comes out and I found an investor for the first
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: time right away. He didn't want to do it. And
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I'm at the Pulse Star convention in the year two
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: thousand and they're playing a game who Wants to Be
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: a Millionaire? With Tommy Lee, Tommy Shaw, and Sammy Hagar.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I think that was the three are up there and
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: it here at the right across street on Hollywood Highland
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: at Hotel and they're asking. One of the questions was
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: who created rock and roll Fence Camp. David Bowie, David Byrne,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: David Fishop, and I think it was Tommy Show, Sam
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Diego yells up David Fishop. I said, these guys remember
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: that camp I did, and I've done it four years ago.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, then I got a call
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: from Eric Sherman, who was running bach on Classic, and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: he said, you know, we'd love to do that camp.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: We we got, we really want to, you know, get
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: behind you on it and we'll run commercials. So that's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: when I decide do it again. I I called up
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Brett Michaels. I think I know where I met Brett,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: but I meant. And then George Starroger came to a
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Ringo show. I called these people that I met at
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Root Ringdow shows, um and uh called these artists uff
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: to come in and I said, hey, would you do
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: my rock roll Fence Camp. I'm gonna do it. Do
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: it here in l A. And I did a S
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I R and and they came, and you know, Brett
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: was great, and people came. I advertised it. I did, Okay,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: that's vatro Coxey. They gave me ads. It was great.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: I did well. Okay. How much did you lose on
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: the first one? How about a hundred fifty thousands? Okay?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Was the second one profitable to you? It made about
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand, and I worked a whole year on it. Yeah, okay,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: So the second one was the earlier part of this
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: century subsequent to then. How many of you done and
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: how frequently? And they all been profitable. I've done oh
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: sixty nine camps. Um, No, it's been a hard business.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: We're honest with you. It was really hard, and uh um.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: I tried to expand to go to Vegas. I was
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: running two if While I was running two camps, I'm
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: running the camps where these people are having the greatest experience,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and you know they get the jam with with def
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Leppard and Joe Elliott. Joe Eli is getting the jam
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: but about the hopeful song and he's having a great time,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: and all these people are meeting, and then I'm can't
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: wake up and I can't I can't wake up. I'm
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: losing my mind. I'm losing. I'm losing. I remember calling
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: here and he says, well, close it. He says closing,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: and people and I went to see the count and
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: I moved to l A and then account and said
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: to me, why are you spending your kids money? You know,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: it's like why do this? But every day I'm getting
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: an email thank you. It's a great experience of my life.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: This artist is great. One morning I get an email
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: from a guy and signed McKenzie and company and it
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: was guy Scott Keller and he's still gotta thank you.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: I got the gym with Judas Priest and my son
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: and I had the most incredible time. Right away, I
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: called him. I said, can I call you? Can I
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: take it a launch and get some advice? And he
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: turns to me and he's what's the problem. I said, now,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: and said, this is a hard business. You know, it's
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: not like Coachella where you can expand the fences. It's
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: not an artist starting counsel blues and then going to
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: play a theater and then playing an arena. This is
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: four teen bands, one drummer to the band, one bass player.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: You know you're limited, and you deal with people who
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: wants scared to come. So I said, this is a
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: hard business. And um, he says, I'm gonna take you
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to dinner and he takes me to dinner with six
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: of his smartest people. He brings Amy how who ran Ticketmaster.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: She came, she was a Mackenzie Scott comes, he brings
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: there's a band called they are Giants. He brings the father,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: the guitar player. The guitar player comes and we have
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: this dinner and they basically said, David explained us the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: issues of the camp, and I explained them the problems
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: and what I was having. And they said, you got
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: ten minutes to talk, and then we're gonna then we're
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: gonna ask you questions ten minutes and then anybody's gonna
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: shut the f up and let us give you some advice.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: They went through my books. They they really analyzed the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: business for me, and they basically said, his day, it's
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: very simple. You make ten dollars, stop spending twelve, spend nine,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: spent eight. And they really turned my business around. And uh,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I need these bladings to tell me that, because you know,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I would keep adding more talent and whatever they taught me,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and I turned them to a profitable business. Where did
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: you cut what I taught? Well, I cut Vegas out.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: I had a place in Vegas. I couldn't operate Vegas.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not moving my family to Vegas. UM. So I
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: had a location there in Vegas, UM and you know,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: I was getting ripped off with the gear, was getting
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: stolen out of the place, and um, I was trying
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: to open it as a rehearsal studio. I cut there.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: I cut employees that I figured that I have to
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: do it myself, like you said, and and uh and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I brought it stef and and then I just learned
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: to I cut a lot of things and turn the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: business around. So what so it turns around. How much
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: does it cost to go to Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: So rock Camp? So we charged about five thousand dollars
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: to go to camp. But it's we have to Each
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: camp is like setting up a tour, and then you know,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: a band can augment that tour and you know, I
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: don't augment. They can advertize the tour over a hundred shows.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: I don't advertize. And I closed my shop after that camp.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: So these camps get expended. It all depends on the
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: on the talent cost. But I keep it relatively to
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: a point where where we can make some profits. And
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: it's not a lot, you know, but but enough that uh,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: you can pay you know, you can you can make
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: a salary and you can pay people, and you know
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: you have people to operate it and the artists and
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I think everyone has come to you know, they come
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: to understand that that you know, to their works and um.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: But but the goals I want to make money is
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: I want to go back on the road with this.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going on the road pot, but if
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I could find someone to help me put it back
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: on the road. I did a couple of experiments. Number one,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: I went to Irving as Off years ago and I said,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: can I have the opening spot of your Deaf Leopard? Um?
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Your Deaf Leopard? He he was touring Journey and Death Leppard.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: I said, the stage is open from five thirty to seven.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Can I have that stage. I'll sell one day camp.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: I'll sell one day camp and convertized experiment. And he said,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: go do it. He said he was Irving was really
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: he was very supportive. And um so I when I
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: sold eighties spots for two thousand calls each, and um,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I had these people come into Columbus, Ohio. They came
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: in with six private planes. They came in from thirty
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: states and they got the opportunity to open the Deaf
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: leppert and Journey. I put them in a band um
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: with a rock star mentor was I think Simon Kirk
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: and Kick Winger and Rudy Sarzo and Vinnie Appassy, and
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: they would mentor the band all day. Um. Then five
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: o'clock they got to meet deaf Leppers and they got
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: the Journey and then each band went on stage and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: did one song and it was great because the people
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: got to taste the brand. They went to the office
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: the next day and they said, uh, what do you do? Oh,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: I put the Flipper in Journey last night. But but
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: what happened was these people bought forty tickets, fifty tickets
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: from all for other friends. So if you take eighty
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: people or a hundred people gonna buy tickets, I got
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: four thousand people coming to and see these people performed.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: But I had a problem because the stage and and
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: everything like that. So the idea is a year later
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: and I went to House the Blues and I did
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: a tour where I did fifteen cities and again you
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: got to open for UM and that tour it was extreme.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: With King Jackson was supposed to be bigger names, but
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: they got little snookered on the deal. But whatever it is, Um,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I did fifteen cities and I did really well and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: gave people one day opportunities to doing the camp. Um.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: So that's really what I want to do, and I'll
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: put it back on the road because everybody wants to
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: perform from their parents. They want to perform front of
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: their family. Like I said, the final night of Camp,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: you see these executives how their families in the audience,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: and and you know they're not holding up their middle finger,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: but they're basically saying, hey, mom, I could have been
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: a rock star. You do have a little bit of
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: perception problem. Today's incommittee quality era where it is five k,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: which is not mentioned in the movie. Is that just
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: is what it is? Or is there a way to
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: change the perception of the camp that it's for the elite? Okay,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: so that's what it was. And I used to get
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: eighty five. I used to do. I did Abbey Road
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Studios where you got to you know, record there, and
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: it was sixteen thousand. I've lowered the price way down.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: People get to pay it off. Um. Yeah, no, I
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: know everybody thinks it's it's expensive. It's a cost of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: safe thing to go on a cruise and you can
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: hang out. I'm not asking you to justify the price.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: The price is great. But people who don't go, who
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: see the movie and hear the price, they say, oh,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: that's for rich people. So it is perceived as an elite,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: rich person's camp. I'm not talking about whether people call
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: up the money, right. It's perceived that way as people
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: because I've been doing this for years, So that's an excuse.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: It sees. Listen, they'll see the film and uh and
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: and they and they go to camp. Um, I will
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: tell you that fifty cent on my campus return because
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: you know, once you take them to that excitement level
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: of four days, they go home, they get depressed. I
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: had a guy had a guy come back to camp
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: after two years, and I said, what, what what brought
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: you back? He said, I went to my therapist every
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: day and it said, you know I do by your
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: rock camp. And he says, why don't you go back
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: to camp? Well, the therapist took his money for two
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: years and then he says, I just can't make you
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: happen to go back. Okay, let's assume I lay my
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: five k down. What are you guaranteeing me? I'm not
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: guarantee any UM. I want to guarantee it was an experience. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I never promised anyone your career. I'm so against that. UM.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: More specific, I put him in five thousand dollars. Am
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: I gonna How much time am I gonna get with
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: the acts? How much free time or how much you know,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: hanging like we both went to camp where it's all together.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: It might be sitting in my room alone. When you
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: go to camp, where did you go to Cannath? I
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: went to Jewish camp in Connecticut. First of all, I
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: went to day camp for three years. Then the Jewish
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Community Center of New Haven had an overnight camp in
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: East Madison called Camp Laurel Wood, which they still have
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: the best days of my life. I literally came home
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: and cried, I know exactly what you're talking about. So
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: you come to camp, by the way, so once you
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: signed up for camp up and you put your deposit
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: your money down, you get a letter from us telling
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: us what songs that you should prepare and and that
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: these are these artists are gonna be there, and you
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: want to prepare these songs, So people start studying their songs. Um.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Then so then a week before your your rock star
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: counselor calls you and you guys have a group meeting
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: and the guys and gals they pick songs that they're
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: gonna do and uh so, uh, what's the Rudy Sarzo
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: or Tony Franklin. They call you, and they and they
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: and we just sudden they come up with a song
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: list of what they want to do when they come
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: to camp. They walk in on Thursday, they go right away,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: they go into pick a room to go into, whether
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: it's a jam room, it's a you know, a different
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: jam room. Then I come out and I basically announced
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: the rules of camp, which are no rules, um, but
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: basically I want them to prepare to to to record.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Let's say the camp I did with Joe Perry. Learn
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: narrow Snip song, Learn learn a Farno song because you're
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: gonna jam with mc graham. Um, you go to Vince
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Neil is gonna come by to learn a Motley Crue songs.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: So they basically prepare those songs and m and then
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: they have they go into the rooms with their bands
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: and they have rehearsals and uh, and then following rehearsals,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of master classes. So if you
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: want to write songs, if you bring your songs, let's
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: see you brought us. You wrote a song, you want
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: to come to camp. You could sit around a panel,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: you can hear, you get get people's opinion about the songs.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Then I do an opening night party because I want
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: the rock starts to jam. I want you to see
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: how how good these guys are. And these musicians are great.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: You know they're great. Why are they're great because they
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: practice every day. Unlike this guy who's the weekend musician.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: You know, he shows up on one hour, so you
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: really see how incredible talents that they are. The next
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: day they rehearsal and then Luke Graham comes in and
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: uh and he walks into a room and and they
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: get to you know, depending on the artist, you know,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: like I telt flash dates for twelve hours. He janned
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: an hour with each man and and and you know
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: what's the names? Uh, Nick Mason. He stayed for four
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: days and he wrote a story about g Q. It
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: once they're they're I don't put a timeless They do
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: what they want to do and and uh so, you
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: know most people say and they jam a song and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: then they do a Q and A and they answer
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: questions and then they take their photo and they signed
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: all the autographs and all that stuff. But then then
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: we do Q and A with them. And you know,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Joe Walsh was amazing. He stayed, you know, he stayed
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: for five hours, and he jammed with everybody. And then
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: he what I loved what he did was he turned
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: to every guitar place is now it's your turn. Now
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: it's your turn to laya lea a solo. And these
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: people froze. But he said, listen, you gotta fake it,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: you know. And the the the information that meat loads,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: the information that these artists have given to these people
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: is incredible, it really is. And and and they they
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: take a list. Okay, how many people go to a
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: camp eighty people? Eighty people. The relationships mainteens obsequent to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: the camp, well, that's incredible, because every rocket, they all
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: make it meet their best friends. I can't every rock
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: star tells me they've met their best friend. Steven Tyler.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: You know, he's flying away with the guy. You know,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: there's there's always there's always some guys who planes, so
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: you know, naturally they make friends. You know, remember Joe
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Perry was was in Vegas to the camp and John
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: b and Eliot's tour magic ain to me. He said,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: you know, the airport's closed, the Boston snowed in. Is
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: there anyone here with the private plane? I said, that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: guy over there, he's got a private plane. Asked him
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: and the guys to sure, I'll drive to get back.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: He flew him back and and I went to his band.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: I said, you know the guy who wants to leave.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: And you know, what do you guys do about a drummer?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: He says, thank god, David, we'll pay a drummer, get
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: a drummer in town. Well five found the drummer for him. Um.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the friendships they make, and then and then
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: so the and there's not and again there's not only
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: rich guys there. These people make lots of friends when
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: they go on tour. Every artist has told me my
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: best friends I met at Rock and Roll Fans Camp.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: You know when when when we were touring and I
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: was turning Rnko and even the monkeys, we always ran
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: out of the venue. We always ran out of venue.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: No one ever wanted to meet a rock star. I'mlike
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: the country people. You know. I went to see took
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: my daughter and see Oprah, and she wanted to always
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: meet Oprah and and and on that show was Kenny
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Chesney and Hoodie and it was a country show. And
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: she says to Kenny Chesney, she says, well, um, Kenny,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: you know you meet your fans that uh you know,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: you're so good to your fans. I go out there
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: and meet my fans five o'clock. I hug him. I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: love them. They come out to my bus and she said,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: who was the first? Continue on too? So I went
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: to anarrismonth show. So I haven't done anything to meet
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Steven Tyler. So you know, rock stars always ran away
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: and um, unlike the country stars. How do you build
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: a show, build a camp? What's the key? I got
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of it's. I have a checklists. It started
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: first with the talent. UM. I try to UM, I
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: try to get a talent to come. I see the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Scorpions will come in to Vegas. I reached out to
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: them and UM prior to covid um and they said
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: they would do it. Uh. So now I got a
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: location and now I got a uh weekend in May,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: I was gonna do the scorpions. Um. And then I
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: go find a location and I try to find in
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: a place where I got four key rehearsal rooms. That's
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: the hardest thing is to find the rehearsal rooms because
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: it's not everywhere that you have rehearsal space. UM. Once
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: I have that, UM, you know, I go out and
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: I signed my counselors and I have a great array
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: of counselors who who do camp and um who you
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: know Teddy Andreatas from Guns and Roses and he was
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: a keyboard. He played keyboard to them and you know
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: you get now listen, you gotta find good people that
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: that are gonna do it. The one thing I learned
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: with Ringo and Alice Cooper, the one thing they they
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: I learned from Ringo was, you know, we fought about
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Dan Members. You know we thought about Jack Rose. It's
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: it's in there's a public book. It's a book about
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: it that that I fought with Ringo because I wanted
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Jack Bruce because my brother was a cream fan and
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: I love Jack Bruce, so um, he didn't want him.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: He bumped into him in the airport and I guess
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Jack wasn't in his best shape back then. And um,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, you want to tour with people that
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: you love, that you can work with, that you could
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: deal with. Alice Cooper said to me, it's it's I
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: gotta have a great band of people because I gotta
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: live with them. So it's not just musicianship, and some
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: people want to live with So it's the same thing
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: with counselors. You know, I meant Peter Tork in the Monkeys,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: he called me, so I want to be a counselor.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: And I said, okay, Peter, come and you know he
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: was my worth counselor. And I remember telling a journalist
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: that and he called me up. He says, you told
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: them I was the worth counselor, said Peter, people, you don't.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: You have to have patience with people. You're gonna have to,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: you know, leave your ego at the door. And you
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: know people will come over with him and they wanted
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: to ask him something, they want to get a picture.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: So you need to have you need to be a
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: people person. Let me really, let me restate this, because
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: you were talking about Mackenzie and consulting on your act,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: on your show. What is the look? How many stars
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: do you need? You know, you build a show, I
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: need X number of a players. Be what do you
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: need to get people to come? You need a star,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: you need you needed one star, you need two stars.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: I try to find the star that's going to jamp
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: with them the last night we will agree to do
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: the final night concert. Um. So that's where I start. UM.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: I try to now keeping in genres. I try to
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: keep the metal guys with the metal guys. I'll try
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: to keep the rock guys with the rock guys that
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: keep it. And I did Alice and change and don't
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: couple of pilots, you know, you try to keep that together. Um.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: You know when I get two or three good names,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: and then then I'm ready to build. And then I
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: built my fourteen counselors out. Um. And then you know,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: the location is important. It's a combination everything. Listen, It's
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: like what I did the ring go to I got
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of balls in the air. You gotta keep
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of balls in the air, and then you
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: hope they're gonna come together and and and that's really
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: what I snapped my fingers. We go to the ultimate
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: destination with rock Camp. What does it look like? It
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: was Abbey Road Studios. You got to record every old
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: studios and then you got no, that's that's what in
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: the past. If we go down the hypothetical future and
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: it were to max out your wildest dream, what would
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: it look like. I want to tourk I want to
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: be on I want to be on the road four
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: times a week, um, opening for a major act or
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: any act um that I can. I know I can
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: bring them a lot of people. Um. And I want
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: to sell packages where you can go on the road,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: get on a tour bus and go on the road
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: for two weeks. I want I want to I want
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: to buy my way on an opening act and tour.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: That to me is really where I want to go
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: and um and get Okay, this is rock Camp. Are
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: there any other promotion dreams that are yet unfulfilled that
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: you would like to complete and do well? I think
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: the film, you know, the film was the last thing
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: that I really uh you know, I've represented players who
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: won the World Series. Uh, Phil Simms, that's that's a
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: giant San Francisco for nights. I hit my mark on
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: on Gutta. Players have a had a Beatle, I worked
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: with a Beatle. Um work with you know, I think
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: we worked with the with a member of the Who.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: And and Bill Wyman are only songs I think I've
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: I've lived that. Um, you know, I just like changing lives. Really, Bob,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: you cannot imagine how fulfilling it is to open your
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: emails every day and someone saying you change my life. Um,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I breast cancer and I came to a
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: camp and and now I'm I'm writing books. And I
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: decided that I didn't want I quit being a lawyer
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: because uh, I didn't want to live that life of being,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: you know, doing stuff that's boring. I wanted to live
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: my passion. So the ladies today became a writer. She's
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: a fourteen books that are that are a number one
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: on Amazon. She writes, Um, you know, she writes fiction books.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: I love that part. A guy says to me, he
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: came to my camp, and he says, I called him up.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: I said, you're gonna come to the next camp. He said, say,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: but I got good news, beads. I quit my job
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: on Wall Street. I am going to London school drumming.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: The bad news is I can't report to come to
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: campers anywhere I said good good, or where a guy
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: stopped on the street. He says, how this is the
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: best look. Guy stopped you on the street in the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: in New York about three years ago, he says, David,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: he says that, Espishop Mark, I gotta thank you. I
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: just got back from Moscow. I said, we my band
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: opened for Harrelsmith. So what do you mean your band
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: opened harresmanth He says, yeah. He says, I met Joe
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Perry and his manager at your camp and I my my,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: my lead singer is in lives in Moscow, and I
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: kept calling her and I asked, can we open for
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: your band for Farrelsmith in Moscow? And until the manager said,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: sent me the CD She's gave it over to Joe,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: and Joe looked at and said, when I meet this
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: guy he met about rockets, let him open. I mean,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: here's this is. I don't promise this, this shit happens,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: and and I don't know. Okay, divorcing the external and
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: just starting with your internal. What is your greatest asset?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: Why have you been successful? I think my my successes
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: is caring for people and passionate. You know, my dad
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: was a rabbi. My brother's a rabbi, my son in
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: laws a rabbi. I don't want to be a rabbi,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: but all the day I saw I see these people
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: taking care of people and answering them and and you know,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: and doing good. And so I had no ability to
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: be a rabbi. But I really enjoy um people. And uh,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: you know, for a long time, I didn't want to
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: camp the counselors, the campers. I didn't want to meet him.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: I had told somebody, you know, you you know, I can't,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: I can't do it all. I gotta deal with these
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: rock stars. And then I realized how amazing these campers
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: are and who they are, and uh, and you know,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: I got up there as a joke one day. I said,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: you know, my entire life, I represented a beatle, a turtle,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: a monkey, you name it. And all I did was
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: keep my stars away from you people. And now I
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: love you people because these are the people that keeping
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: me in business. So these these are good people. They're
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: they're great people. They're musicians who just decided to make
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: a get a real job, and they really want to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: be a rector. Okay, David, this has been wonderful hearing
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: all your brushes with fame, how you made your ome life,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: switched your own career. You obviously our ball of energy
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: and you can close anybody. Thanks so much for doing this,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: really and honor. Thank you so much. And I gotta
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: thank you the reaction that I got on your review
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: in the film, it's probably the biggest reaction I got,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Okay, until next time. This
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: is Bob Leftstons