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Stephen Black: Consequences Of Ignoring The Marketing Of Evil · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey, friends. Welcome to World View Matters.
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  We've got a great guest today, a Stephen Black of
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  Choram Deo Ministries. We're going to catch up with him.
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  He recently has been called back to this Earth because his
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  work is not done yet. And we're going to talk about some of
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  the work he does in his ministry to men struggling with
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  sexual identity and a whole lot more coming up on World
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  View Matters.
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  Welcome to World View Matters discussing controversial
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  issues, discerning current events, defending biblical
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  Christianity, no topic off limits. And now, here's your
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  host, David Virazo.
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  Hey, friends. So I thank you again for sharing the podcast.
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  It's growing thanks to you and praise God for that. I want to
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  bring in Stephen right now. He's an author and he's done so
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  much great ministry through all the decades that he's been
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  working for the Lord. And brother, I just thank you for your
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  time today. So good to see you again and reconnect here.
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  Hey, it's an honor. Thank you, sir.
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  And your website, of course, Stephen Black dot org, it's
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  STEP H E N Black dot org. And I want to ask you about your
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  book because we talked several years ago, on by the way, in
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  his image was a phenomenal documentary. But your book
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  freedom realized, we talked about that probably three or four
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  years ago on a radio talk show. And this is a new audience now
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  and people that don't know about your ministry don't know about
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  your testimony. So before we share about in the recent years
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  and your near death experiences, let's talk about the book
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  and your testimony to just share with our audience that don't
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  know.
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  Yeah, sure. And in that shell, 42 years ago, I had this radical
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  transformative experience with Jesus Christ, he spoke to me.
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  It was in the February of 83. It was before the AIDS epidemic
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  hit Oklahoma City. That's important because the night I was
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  saved, he said, if you do not accept me tonight, you're going
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  to die. And then lo and behold, six months later in the
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  summer of 1983 and all the hospitals in Oklahoma City, there
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  was this mysterious disease called grit. The Lord Jesus Christ
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  delivered me from the confusion of homosexuality, having been
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  sexually molested, abused, and chaotic in my childhood, I
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  was drawn into homosexuality in my teenage years. And thank
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  God, he saved me as a young man. And ever since then, I've
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  been ardently, I was called in the ministry and ardently
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  serving the Lord to help others to overcome.
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  Freedom is about that. And freedom realized is also got a
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  survey. And it also has 14 other leaders that have found
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  freedom that have ministries themselves. And there's a
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  separate website for the book freedom realized.org that's
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  freedom realized.org. So Stephen, I wasn't going to ask you
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  this, but you brought it up. You just kind of skimmed over
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  this grid. And most people don't know what that is. Most
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  people understand what AIDS is because they changed it to
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  AIDS. Why was it originally grid? Talk about that. That's an
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  important fact. Yeah, it was like 99 literally 99% gay men
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  who were coming down with this, what was a disease, the
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  human HIV, this infectious disease that destroys the auto
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  immune system of the body and destroys T cells. And it became
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  very clear that they called it the gay disease. And it was
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  grid gay related immune deficiency syndrome. And so that's
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  the history behind that. And people can actually go on even
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  on the liberal Wikipedia and read about it. Because it was
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  called that, why did they change it, do you suppose?
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  Hollywood got a hold of it. And all of these people with lots
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  of money. And they didn't want to make it an association to
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  just homosexuality because that was politically incorrect. And
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  so they really pushed the narrative. And what did start
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  happening is intravenous drug users. And then people that
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  you know, would swing both ways in prostitution. We saw this
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  disease, you know, go infiltrate just every demographic of our
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  society. So Steven, now before we get to a very informative
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  article from American Family Association, our friend MD
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  Perkins, on public opinion and the shift on the approval of
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  quote unquote same sex marriage. And I think you have to put
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  marriage in air quotes there because we believe in God ordained
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  natural marriage. So same sex quote marriage is they've redefined
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  what marriage is. Before we get to that, let's talk about your
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  personal saga these last couple years of your life. You had
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  some health issues, your heart, and you were close to death. Did
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  you go ahead and lie? What ended up happening is it was a
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  actually bladder prostate issue with the flu that turned into
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  severe sepsis shock. It shut down my kidneys. I was literally on
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  dialysis. I was intubated in the hospital. I was dying. And the
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  night that they told my family prepare, he is about a one to
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  three percent chance of living is the night that I actually
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  had an experience in heaven. And it was amazing. And my life
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  has been changed. I had already been dealing with the really
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  the depression and honestly the the disheartedness of watching
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  so many people fall away. And then the dumbing down of truth
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  and being called myself labeled a bully, you know, too radical,
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  too narrow minded by even evangelical Christians. And so I
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  had to leave them the ministry that I had directed for 22
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  years. And some of the political stuff behind that and form
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  Corum Deo in the midst of all of this. And it was painful. And
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  then I think I was just really vulnerable when I got the flu
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  and ended up in the hospital. But this experience was
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  absolutely incredible. I saw the throne of God, the living
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  creature that has a lion face literally came down and roared at
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  me. And when he did that, I immediately got a a download from
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  the throne of God that I was to come back and warn the church
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  of the narrow way that you cannot live in sexual immorality in
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  secret and have idols and expect to have eternal life. Now
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  that's popular in some Christian circles. But it's very clear
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  in the Bible, my go to versus Ephesians 5 5 that says you can
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  know with certainty that no immoral or sexually unclean person
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  or greedy idolater has any inheritance in the kingdom of God.
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  So, you know, I'm only coming back to actually reiterate even
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  what I saw in heaven and then when I saw the son of God, he
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  was transfigured. I briefly see Jesus in a field and he spoke
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  to me and and basically was I needed to come back and warn the
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  church again. And it's part of my DNA, David. But level of
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  warning and necessity to get this word out is greater than
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  ever before. And I think it's because we have a short time.
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  Time is very short. And your story, first of all, reminds me of
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  Psalm 90 verse 12, teach us to number our days that we might
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  gain a heart of wisdom. But I'm thinking there's warnings
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  all throughout scripture and the New Testament in revelation.
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  Paul is warning, understand the times. I think about the
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  letters to the church and revelation, the seven churches, my
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  goodness, there's warnings all throughout the Bible.
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  And also, by the way, a couple of days ago, just recently
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  interviewed the one of the producers of the movie, Bonhoeffer. Now
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  this is a different subject. This is not about sexual
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  fidelity or homosexuality or anything like that. But it's
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  it's about the religion, as opposed to the relationship with
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  Christ, warning the church that is lukewarm, warning a
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  church that is following after idols or other worldliness. And
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  that's what Dietrich Bonhoeffer was dealing with in the
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  30s and Germany. And then we know how that ended with Hitler
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  and everything else. But I want to go back to something you
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  wrote recently on your Facebook page. You shared your story
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  a little ministry update as you put it. And I love this for
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  people that have a relationship with God that are serving the
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  Lord Jesus Christ and our his ambassadors like we all should
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  be. You said retirement is a concept for man, but not for
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  surrendered devoted ministers of God. And that's so true
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  no matter how old you are. We never retire as Christians. We
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  are ministers of reconciliation. We're ambassadors for
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  Christ. Could you speak a little bit more to that please
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  Stephen? Yeah, when I was ordained, I had five men of God, the
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  very five different pastors in and they all came to my
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  ordination service. They all melt down around me around this
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  cross. And one of the things one of the pastors said to me was
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  a quote from a GD Watson, he said, others may, but you may
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  not. And he spoke that in my ear, he prayed it over me. And I've
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  always had the belief system that I need to go out with Jesus
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  burning and really being at whatever level I can be, depending
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  on my health, my age, to continue to preach the gospel of
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  Jesus. And so that's always been my DNA even since my
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  ordination in 92. So let's talk now. We're getting back to
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  the freedom realized in your ministry in the confusion around
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  the world, but particularly in America about sexuality and
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  look what they're doing to children now, how the Satan has has
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  access to children at younger and younger ages. And it's just
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  tragic. He uses social media. He uses the government run
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  school system. He uses Hollywood. And you wrote in this update on
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  your Facebook page about so called LGBTQ Christianity. And
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  chaos, you said that hit the Evangelical Church in 2008. Well,
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  it was in before that, but you what do you mean by hitting the
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  church in 2008? It was when the erosion hit Exodus International
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  and even within focus on the family, when you have people
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  behind the scenes that were actually beginning to embrace the
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  APA's orientation narrative, which is what I call it because
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  it's really not even true science is pseudoscience. And it's
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  the idea that somehow orientation is fixed and gender or
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  sexuality is somehow fluid. And that began to a road also with
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  the message of antinomianism, which is another way to say that
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  anti nomin against the law, which is hyper grace. And that
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  happened on the board of Exodus, it happened in many of the
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  former Exodus ministries, parent church ministries, people
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  that were supposed to be solid Biblically were then now eroding
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  into this idea of the mixture of psychology and grace. And on
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  the other side of that, there was a movement called the Gay
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  Christian network. And with that, there came Revoice. And then you
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  have the PCA, there was many in supposed to be the Bible
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  believing PCA, even the Southern Baptist, you had the president
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  at the time, you know, literally dancing a lip sync of Whitney
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  Houston with a gay staff member. So they were literally lie of
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  the idea of the orientation of being gay and Christian. And this
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  is now eroded all through evangelical circles, which is in
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  some of the highest places of Christianity and the gospel
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  coalition, if people like Preston Sprinkle that are out there
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  specifically saying, we need to embrace our gay neighbors, we
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  need to be compassionate. And I certainly agree with some of
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  the communication, but what they're doing is they're actually
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  bringing a 11, which is to accept and move forward. And then you
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  have these like conferences like Matthew Vines that are
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  actually the information project to tell the evangelical
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  church, we need to accept gay marriage now. And so this has
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  been an erosion, but that really has been full force from what I've
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  seen in my experience since 2008.
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  At least, yes. And what you've seen, I think you've been very
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  perceptive on this, Stephen, because it has gotten into the
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  church. And it's sad we are not to conform to the world. But
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  yet, this is a deception. It is demonic. It's an ideology that
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  would pervert the gospel and God, the God is creator. By the way,
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  you know, one of the premises is, well, I was born in the wrong
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  body. That's one of the one of the things they say, you're
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  thinking, well, that's not biblical. But yet there are some, now
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  I will say here, well, meaning Christians that want to be a
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  peer-confident compassionate, but they don't know how to speak
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  to the issue. So we've got a lot more, we've got to take a
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  brief pause when we come back with Stephen Black, we're going
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  to talk about this new article called Public Opinion on same
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  sex marriage. Guys, we've got some numbers in here. I think
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  might blow you away. But we'll be right back in World, World
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  look up friends is Stephen Black.org and it's spelled S T E P H E N
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  black dot O R G. So Stephen, I've been very disappointed at the
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  reaction of the church and the lack of truth defenders and
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  proclamers out of the guys of maybe being loving and compassionate.
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  But we're in a dangerous place. But because I think we've got
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  more people, not enough pulp that's speaking to these issues
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  for one thing. But we've got more people wanting to love their
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  neighbor, maybe love the homosexual, the transgender, and we
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  are to love. But if we are not warning them, we started by
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  saying warning at the beginning, if we're not warning them and
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  telling them the truth, then their souls are in jeopardy. Would
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  you care to speak to that before we jump into these surveys?
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  Yeah, this, you know, I, it takes me back to first us one in
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  chapter four, where literally Paul is making the idea of
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  human sexuality and parallel to the will of God and sanctification.
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  And if that's true, and if human sexuality is one of the greatest
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  appetites we have, shouldn't our pulpits be speaking to this issue
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  just for the healing of what's going on behind the scenes, but
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  specifically this chaos and this line that's going on where
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  people are actually being duped into this idea that X X, a
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  female chromosomal issue can be changed to an X Y, which is
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  absolutely impossible. And that's why I'm really excited about
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  what's happening with this whole D I stuff is because common
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  sense understanding of biology, people are waking up to it,
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  which is part of what Michael MD Perkins talks about in his
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  article, but our pulpits absolutely need to be talking about
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  this, addressing this, educating our people so as to not
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  receive the lie. And that's what's been been transpiring for
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  decades now. Yeah, there it seems to be a shift and almost a
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  rebellion against the radical DEI policies that took us down.
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  I think they overplayed their hands, Stephen, because these
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  was corporate. This was at the university level. This was in
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  schools. It was in jobs and employment. And it was just you
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  couldn't get away from these DEI policies. In other words,
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  even the military, we just recently learned the millions of
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  dollars that was the Biden administration poured into US
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  military, not getting the most qualified personnel to recruit
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  them for the military, but just making sure they're filling
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  certain quotas, absolutely astounding. And now we hear Mark
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  Zuckerberg over on that Facebook, saying, you know, I think
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  he's just trying to please Trump. What do you think, Steve?
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  And you think he's going to change the whole DEI policy?
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  Yeah, we want Mark has said in others like him, it does seem
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  like they want to, you know, cuddle up to they want to
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  cuddle Trump because they know Trump means business. And the
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  people that he's getting involved with him, main business and
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  some of them are not going to, you know, countdown to this
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  cultural bowing down at the altar of bail, which is sexual
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  perversion. And so it is an interesting day that we're living
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  on. I'm excited to see, I mean, obviously, Trump is not our
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  hope. Jesus Christ is in his word. So we'll see how this
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  transpires. But it is interesting that someone like Mark Zuckerberg
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  would would would really want to try to communicate that
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  they're changing their tone and their belief concerning, you
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  know, fact checking. And this corporate understanding of, you
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  know, DEI with this this whole erosion of mindset and really
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  political posturing, concerning LGBTQ. And so I'm hopeful, but
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  you know, there needs to be a revival in the church, there
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  needs to be, you know, you know, home roots of really loving
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  Jesus and letting that catch fire, no pun intended, you know,
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  what's going on in California. Maybe that's going to turn
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  into a national revival, a fire of God. I really hope so. I
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  pray that with all the pain that people are suffering.
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  Yeah, there needs to be revival in the church. And boy, do we
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  do we need people to be saved that are in churches? But anyway,
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  Stephen, let's get to get to these numbers, having watched the
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  capture of corporate America by LGBTQ, the stuffing of gay
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  characters into all kinds of media by Waukali Wood, the
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  celebration of drag queens in library schools churches and the
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  overall normalization of not only homosexuality, but
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  transgenderism now, America's seen major cultural shifts. And
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  if you think about it, just 10 years ago, that Supreme Court
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  case that seemingly changed and shifted radically. And since that
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  time, we've been going in a different direction. Stephen, would
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  you care to speak to that before we talk about some of the
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  numbers? Yeah, you know, at the same time, we had Bruce
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  Jenner come out that year and was celebrated. And so for 10
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  years now in our culture, there is this push to not just accept
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  gay marriage, but also the radical really trying to treat a
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  transition, a person from one sex to another. And so I think
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  people have watched it, they've actually watched the the
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  carnage, because 41% of transgendered people have a suicidal
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  ideology, they are 19 times more likely to commit suicide, even
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  after transitioning after the five year honeymoon period. And so
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  these are the highest numbers of suicide rates in the world in
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  any demographic. And so people are waking up and they're
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  saying, you know, that's, that's there's going to be something
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  wrong with this. Well, certainly, you can't change a man into a
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  woman or a woman into a man. Well, let's talk about the numbers
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  in the last five minutes here briefly, according to Gallup's
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  a study, 7.6% of Americans currently identifies lesbian, gay,
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  bisexual or transgender. And that was only 3.5% in 2012. The
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  next stat is 22% of Gen Z identify as LGBTQ. And the Gen Z
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  born between 1997 and 2012. And let's talk about the bisexual
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  factor. And I want you to share what you did before we got on the
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  podcast, 0.1% of the population is bisexual. And yet, 70%,
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  almost 70, 69% of Americans approve of or support same sex
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  marriage, Stephen, the numbers don't add up the fraction of the
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  population that identified, but yet this approval that my friend
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  is good marketing, right? The marketing of evil.
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  Absolutely always has been and you know, since Kenzie with the
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  10%, which we know that that was all based in fraudulent
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  science, there has always been this push, this propaganda from
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  the LGBTQ community for acceptance, the screaming of it
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  actually, when you look back, even all the way back to this
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  Stonewall riots, the reality is is we are human beings. And our
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  sexuality can be eroded and perverted on many levels. And so
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  when you do the math on that, what was it, 7.6, I think, when
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  you do the math and you even look at this article that four point
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  whatever it was that are, you know, the idea of bisexuality or the
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  idea of you doing anything with your sexuality or that cue, which
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  we don't like to talk a lot about, even in the LGBT community,
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  they don't like to talk a lot about that because of what it means
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  which is really getting down to maps and yaps, minor attractive
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  people, youth attractive people with the APA changing those
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  definitions. But the bottom line is we have human sexuality and
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  the acceptance or those people communicating in those surveys that
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  they can swing both ways. And you know, there's even this idea
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  friends with benefits. And so those numbers are certainly
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  inflated. They're not real. You know, 7% of our population is an
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  LGBTQ. It's at least half of that. And yes, I would be the first
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  to say with the propaganda and the erosion in our schools, those
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  numbers definitely have gone up. And then you get people that get
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  in their 20s and 30s and say, I'm not gay. You know, and they
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  experience these things. They're damaged. They're hurt. And then
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  they end up in my office. And, you know, and that's really what
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  I deal with a lot. David are men who tried things they shouldn't
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  have. They feel themselves damaged. They feel shame. They feel
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  deeply darkened in their soul. And they're looking for lasting
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  freedom. And they are finding lasting freedom. So these
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  numbers are inflated. And it really is propaganda. The sad thing
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  is is going after the minds of children at even at the level of
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  kindergarten. And that's what is extremely shameful. I think
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  Trump and others like Elon Musk want to change some things with
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  the Department of Education to stop this propaganda. So we'll
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  see what happens in our culture in the next 10 years. Amen,
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  brother. And I will say I'm thankful that a lot of these men,
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  even though they're sexually broken, they're ending up in your
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  office or at a church or in counseling rather than suicide. So
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  we are thankful that at least that's happening. But we have to
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  care about people's lives care enough to tell the truth. And
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  that's why I appreciate you and your ministry. And I want to
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  again send people to stevenblack.org or his book freedom
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  realized.org, brother. Any last thoughts? We just have less than
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  a minute here. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is transformative.
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  Read those first for books of the New Testament. Let it soak in
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  and let Jesus change your life. Amen. God bless you, brother. To
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  be continued, we have to have you back. Thanks for your time
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  today. We'll definitely do this again. Thank you. Man, thank
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  you, brother. All right. I've got, oh, by the way, guys, I want
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  to give you that website. If I didn't give you the, it was
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  over at American Family Network AFN.net. And that was called
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  public opinion on same sex marriage just came out a couple
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  weeks ago. And so definitely, there's more numbers that we
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  couldn't get into, including going back to 1973, a national
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  survey of family growth, how things have shifted not just in
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  the world, but in the church. World view matters. God bless
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  you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that
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  matter.