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RESTORING SILVER and GOLD by Growing Number of States -- (Pat Holland, Legal Tender) · SILVER / GOLD / $UFD: Surviving Global Economic Shifts | RONS BASEMENT

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  As 2023 comes to an end, can we look forward to next year in the
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  state of Missouri and possibly some other states with that,
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  with the expectation that we could see new legal tender
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  legislation being passed that would allow you to reclaim your
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  constitutional right to use silver and gold as real money?
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  Today we're joined by Mr. Pat Holland.
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  He's leading the initiative in Missouri, and he's promised to
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  give us an update as to what we might expect for 2024.
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  Mr. Holland, welcome back to Ron's Basement.
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  Ron, thank you for having me back, man.
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  You know what I never asked you. We have a gold bear, We have a
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  silver bear. We have a platinum bear, but we
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  have a 4th bear there too. We do, oh, the Weber bear.
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  Yeah, the Weber bear, is that what he is?
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  Is the Weber bear. He's the Weber bear.
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  He's the Weber Spice bear. So, so he's.
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  Not like the Palladium Bear or anything like that.
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  Or not yet. But you know, we're not against
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  putting a blindfold on him at some point, so.
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  OK. Gotcha.
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  All right. Well, it yeah, it's nice to see,
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  you know the families growing out there you know and so Yep.
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  And I'll tell you what the you know the.
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  The platinum bear. He looks exasperated right now.
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  He looks like Riley Tucker. Yeah.
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  So just throwing that out there, he's been, he's been through the
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  mill, he's. He looks like it.
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  Poor Platinum's taking a beating lately.
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  Yeah, you know, and and well, shoot, all of them have
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  technically. You know, you look at the
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  inflation we've had since, you know, COVID, and it's just
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  fascinating to me that gold and silver are the only things that
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  really can't rise up too much. Yeah, you know, you know, you
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  look at your groceries and everything's virtually doubled.
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  You know, what you'd buy in groceries and some things more
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  than others. I meant look at the, you know,
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  the cost of, you know, meat at the grocery store.
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  You know, the price of cheese at the grocery store.
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  They've doubled, if not more, You know, things of that nature
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  and everything else has, you know, computer parts have gone
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  up quite a bit too, but they do keep gold and silver awfully
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  suppressed. You know the the premiums are
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  up. You know the the premiums are
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  nice and high. So that's the free market way of
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  dealing with the suppression done by our own government.
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  But, but let me tell you, you mentioned you know, an update on
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  2024 and we have a rough copy of the actual gold and silver bill
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  that I've been actually emailed by Senator Eigel and it's
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  actually on our website inourforums@mofree.org.
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  Now, it's not a 100% finished product, but it's enough for
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  other states to grab a copy and start using it as a template to
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  create their own bills in their own states.
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  Just like kind of what happened last year because Senator
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  Eagle's bill, you know, basically language from his bill
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  ended up in, you know, a dozen states or more.
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  And as so, you know, basically. And we're not saying that we're
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  the smartest people in the world writing bills or anything, but
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  Bill Eagle's pretty smart. And so he's doing a good job
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  with this and other states you don't want to partake in that,
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  you know, because there's there's ideas maybe they want to
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  take. But I want to throw this out
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  before we, you know, continue the exchange real quick.
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  Any states out there that have sales tax on the purchase of
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  gold and silver from your dealer, from a local dealer, get
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  rid of it. Just that should be your top
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  priority in that state is getting rid of that sales tax on
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  gold and silver. It's tough to go anywhere else
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  with gold and silver legislation with that still sitting on the
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  table. It must be removed from the
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  table. So I think, Ron, if memory
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  serves, there's eight states I think that have sales tax left
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  on gold and silver, something like that.
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  Yeah, that sounds right. So those eight states, you've
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  got your work cut out for you. You won't find help in the
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  Missouri bill because we don't have that in Missouri.
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  But that should be your first priority in 2024 legislatively
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  is get rid of that sales tax. It shouldn't be there anyway.
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  Tax on money? On money?
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  Would that would that be akin to me taking four quarters to my
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  local bank and wanting a $1.00 bill?
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  Maybe not the best analogy and then saying, well it's actually
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  going to cost you four quarters, a nickel and three pennies,
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  yeah, plus a dime. I mean people wouldn't stand for
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  that. But for some reason when they
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  want to convert their make believe paper money into real
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  money gold and silver, there are still a handful of states that
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  are that are charging basically a tax, a fee for that
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  That's a good analogy, even though what we're talking about
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  different asset groups and quarters are synonymous with
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  paper, you know, Federal Reserve notes, I got that.
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  But that is a good analogy of what it technically is.
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  And this is immoral, absolutely immoral.
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  You should get rid of it on a moral, you know, just on moral
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  grounds. But that's a very important part
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  of of what we have to do here in the United States, to make gold
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  and silver money, to make sure that states can trade between
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  each other. Like, for instance, Minnesota
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  has sales tax, a certain kind of sales tax on certain types of
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  gold and silver coins and bars or whatever.
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  And if we're going to trade with Minnesota in the future, you
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  know, because they have gold and silver legal tender legislation,
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  that would mean there would be a Minnesota sales tax, you know,
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  basically on anything that we're purchasing from the state of
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  Minnesota using gold and silver. And we won't do it.
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  What that means is we're less likely to trade with you than
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  with Oklahoma. You know, Oklahoma seems a
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  better deal because they don't have that weird sales tax on
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  gold and silver for transactions.
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  So that's why states need to get rid of it.
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  You have to start thinking of it along long lines of states
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  trading with other states using gold and silver just the way
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  they did a hundred 150 years ago.
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  Yeah. And let me let, let let me just
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  ask you to do a quick review. Why is it so important for the
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  viewer who's watching us right now, sitting in sitting in Texas
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  or California or New York State? Why is it?
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  What's the benefit to them to having their state pass legal
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  tender legislation? Sure.
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  Well, currently you can use gold and silver.
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  There's no law against it. But if you actually set up legal
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  tender legislation, what happens is businesses become much more
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  friendly to gold and silver. Silver becomes much more
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  friendly to business just by having you know, a law saying
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  that gold and silver are legal tender.
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  It is more likely your businesses in your state will be
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  using it for transactions. That's the the you know,
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  basically the long and short of it.
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  So you know, I and and and as a collective, the state itself,
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  are they also able to on a collective basis for all their
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  state citizens? It helps protect, I would
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  imagine, the citizens, if there's a depository or a
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  certain amount of the state's assets are held in silver and
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  gold, is that is that a safe assessment as well?
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  Sure. Yeah, I think so.
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  But I think states invest in things that are not considered
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  legal tender anyway. So the states can invest in gold
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  and silver if they wanted to right now anyway.
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  But having a depository in your state for gold and silver also
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  is an incentive for businesses to start using gold and silver.
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  If your state accepts gold and silver as payment of taxes, and
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  we're not and and I get called out on this all the time, you're
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  saying, gosh darn it, Pat, I don't want to pay gold and
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  silver, you know, for my taxes. No, no, no, no.
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  You don't have to. What you do is you just make it
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  so the state has to take it if you offer it.
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  So if a person should offer gold and silver, they could also
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  offer dollars. You know Federal Reserve Notes.
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  You know, I'm I'm. I'm of the opinion that you
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  should be bringing, you know, you know, hundreds of thousands
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  of pennies to pay your taxes and they have to take it because
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  pennies are legal tender, by the way.
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  And please don't tell them I told you that.
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  But but the fact is really, really simple.
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  Everything surrounds getting businesses to use gold and
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  silver. Look at the flip side.
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  Right now, the enemy the Federal Reserve is doing the Fed Now
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  program. And they're trying to
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  incentivize businesses to get off of the dollar or cash, more
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  specifically cash. So the Fed incentivizes getting
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  cashless. We need the states to
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  incentivize gold and silver by making it legal tender, giving
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  them another option. So it is.
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  So it's us, the people. Against the Federal Reserve at
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  this point. And, you know, yeah.
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  Are we, you know, taking out our pitchforks and, you know, our
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  torches and going after the Federal Reserve?
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  No. But we need free market options
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  for how people will transact before everyone gets pushed into
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  this digital dollar. We definitely, states across the
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  United States need to take this very, very seriously.
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  Incidentally, states will be trapped into the same nonsense.
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  They'll be using a digital dollar too.
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  They'll have a digital wallet. The Federal Reserve can turn it
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  on and off. Based on whether or not the
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  state is compliant with everything the federal
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  government wants, this is this is, this is anathema to the
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  Constitution. The states have the power, if
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  anyone go ahead. I was just going to say that's
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  why the Founding Fathers put gold and silver in the
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  Constitution, and I'm sorry I interjected on you there first.
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  Mining Gold is a development company advancing 2 of the
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  largest gold projects in Canada, Spring Pole in Ontario and
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  Duparque, located in Quebec. Each already has 5 million
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  ounces of gold reserves, but exploration initiatives are
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  underway at both. Projects to find even more gold.
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  First, mining is well financed, has zero debt and owns an
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  interest in four additional Canadian gold development.
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  Projects. You're right.
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  Because it's no nation's money. It's everybody's money.
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  Everyone can use gold and silver.
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  So, and you know, it should be considered, you know, the world
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  reserve currency in my opinion. But but of course you can't have
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  just unlimited wars. So or, you know, and also to an
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  enormous amount of entitlement programs that are just
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  bottomless pits. So you can't have that under
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  those circumstances. But getting businesses involved
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  with gold and silver is key to getting gold and silver set as
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  currency in the states, in the United States.
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  So that's why legal tender legislation is necessary.
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  Once again, MO free.org. In our forum section you can
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  find the current. Version of the draft for gold
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  and silver legislation. Doesn't matter what state you
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  live in. Come and visit the forums.
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  You do not have to sign up for the forums in order to see it
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  and download a copy If you want to start a transact, not
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  transact. If you want to start, you know
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  transacting with other people talking to other people, you
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  will have to sign up for an account on our forums.
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  But just to go and read stuff and and pull stuff off, you
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  don't. But we want to encourage that
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  and. And then basically get people
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  literally 2024, you know 2023, everyone knows what we did in
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  2023 in Missouri. There were and there were 23
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  states total that we're looking at some type of legislation with
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  gold and silver taking steps to making it legal tender, if not
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  going all the way to legal tender.
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  And in some states that already have legal tender, we're trying
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  to get depositories, which is the end.
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  And then ultimately a mint for their state to mint official
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  specie for their state, that's another one we've never really
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  explored fully, but that's an important part of this as well.
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  So we are not a group of people that are anti Federal Reserve.
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  We are pro free market that's what we are and every state
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  should be that way as well And and and I think I'm hearing this
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  theme as you were talking of privacy as well if you want any
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  form or any hope for financial privacy in the future as we move
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  into this electronic CBDC environment Gold and silver may
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  become one of the few you know viable options for a individual
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  who wants to you know maintain some freedom and liberty to to
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  have an any form of financial privacy.
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  Well, it goes beyond privacy though, doesn't it?
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  Because people saving for the future will be totally
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  controlled by the government, totally controlled.
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  If we go into a digital dollar is so it's not so much just
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  privacy, but the ability to save for the future.
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  And you know, the ability to make investments may be cut off
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  from you if you're not a really good citizen according to the
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  the federal government. I would probably be.
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  You know, in the bottom 5% of society, because of the way I
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  talk about government, I I wouldn't be allowed to save.
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  I probably wouldn't be allowed to drive very far.
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  You know, I can just trying to envision all the things the
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  government would do to people like me that are saying use the
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  10th Amendment anti commandeering doctrine.
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  You know, make sure that the federal government understands
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  that when they do unconstitutional legislation
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  that becomes law at the federal level, your state doesn't have
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  to follow it. And that's very legal, by the
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  way. This isn't.
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  You know, you know, I, I was about to say something I
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  probably shouldn't, but it's not a, you know, a form of violence
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  against the government. It's actually using mechanisms
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  the Founding Fathers installed in the 10th Amendment to make
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  sure that the federal government couldn't do exactly what it's
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  doing right now. And that's one more thing I'd
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  like to point out is people say, well, you know the the, you
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  know, the whole thing about the Revolutionary War is over taxes.
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  That's not true. The revolution started with
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  taxes that you know, the the Boston Tea Party 1773.
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  But what is not taught often in schools anymore is what's called
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  the Battle of Concorde, the shot heard around the world.
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  The war started with gun confiscation.
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  They don't teach that in schools because the last thing I guess
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  they want to teach your kids is if the government comes to
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  confiscate your guns, you don't let them do that.
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  And that's the truth. That's the true history of the
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  United States of America. But for some reason, it's
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  forgotten in our history books Now, that's not that's not a
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  convenient fact to be mentioned any longer.
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  It's. Outside it sounds like it, but
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  you know, but if you like, we could go into a little bit of,
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  you know about the synonymous nature of land ownership and
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  gold and silver, because they were they.
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  What it inextricably ties these guys together is something
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  called We call a Loyal Title. And so it was designed that way.
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  It's your property once you get it, once you earn it, it's
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  yours. And that's one thing that the
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  Missouri Freedom Initiative is looking into.
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  And it has nothing to do with gold and silver right now, but
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  it may do in the future. And that is for people to be on
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  the lookout, no matter where you live in the United States,
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  whether or not there is a referendum for your school
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  district or some kind of bond. They're trying to pass either in
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  November, November 7th of this year or April of 2024.
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  And the reason I'm I'm shouting this out is because it's
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  something that the Missouri Freedom Initiative has come
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  across. It turns out it's a national
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  program. It's all over the United States.
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  And I want people to know, and I'm going to make a video about
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  this very soon, that a no tax, no tax increase bond issue is
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  how a lot of these are sold, but they are tax increases.
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  We just talked about 1773 Boston Tea Party.
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  That was an actual vertical increase.
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  I do believe the tea tax went from two cents to three cents.
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  That's my understanding and I could be wrong, but I think
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  that's right. And So what they're talking
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  about with no tax increase, bond issues when it comes to your
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  school district, it's a horizontal increase.
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  Let me explain. If I have a house and I have a
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  20 year loan on it. And I'm about to pay it off next
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  year and not have to make house payments anymore.
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  And then suddenly another 20 years of payments gets set up on
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  my house, but it's the same payment that I've been paying
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  all along that that they said that's not an increase.
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  Well, that is an increase because you have to pay for your
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  house again, but at the same rate that you were paying it it
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  before. You just have to pay it for
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  another 20 years. That's what schools do.
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  That's how they say it's a no tax increase bond issue.
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  People be wary. You know they're they're lying
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  to you. It is a horizontal increase.
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  Your taxes on your house, they like we talked about in 1773,
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  your taxes keep going up. The taxes on your house keep
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  going up because of your your county government.
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  If you have property tax in your state.
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  I understand we have a few states that are lucky enough not
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  to be in that situation. God bless you all.
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  That's wonderful. We in Missouri, unfortunately, a
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  property tax, so your county can lift it up every two years and
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  say congratulations Mr. Holland, your house is now worth
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  $1,000,000 and then I got to pay taxes on that because they say
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  it's worth $1,000,000. That's so they keep raising it.
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  Your school gets that increase. Everyone who's getting property
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  taxes, you know gets is funded through property taxes gets that
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  increase. So.
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  I think it's incumbent. I have a spider coming down from
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  my ceiling. That's great.
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  I think it's incumbent upon all of us to understand when schools
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  are going for bonds, to find out if your schools truly need it.
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  Truly need it. Because once again, gold and
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  silver situation. There's just no way the public
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  schools could get away with a lot of nonsense that they get
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  away with right now. If we were on gold and silver,
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  Ron, they'd have to be much more responsible with the people's
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  money, much more responsible and because.
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  Yeah, yeah. And because you know it's, you
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  know it's just turn on the printing press funny money you
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  know basically the government plays fast and loose with this
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  look at his Social Security. I at the beginning of all my
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  live streams for those of you don't know I do live streams on
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  Saturday night and wants to know Blue Moon John or not John I'm
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  sorry Ron actually joins us for those.
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  So that's really cool and Ron has time to join.
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  We show the US debt clock. At the beginning of all of our
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  live streams, Ron, did you know that the United States
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  government is actually acquired $1.4 trillion of debt in the
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  last four months? No, I didn't realize it was that
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  crazy. Yep, 1.4 trillion in the last
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  four months. And I can prove it from June
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  28th. So because I'm taking snapshots
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  of the US debt clock and I'm. I'm dating them.
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  So from June 28th up until today, we're at officially at
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  $1.4 trillion of additional debt since June 28th of 2023.
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  Guys, this is insane. The the, the spending that's
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  going on right now. This is why I'm saying we have
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  to be very careful what we vote in for taxes at this point.
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  You know, silver and gold. If we were on a silver and gold
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  standard, this nonsense simply couldn't happen.
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  It simply couldn't happen. It's it's like a it's like a
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  couple of drunken 24 year olds with their daddy's American
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  Express black card in Las Vegas is what it feels like the the
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  spending that's going on is it is it accurate to say that MO
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  free.org could become kind of a hub for people around the
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  country that want to look into legal tender legislation.
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  I know you've said you have a copy of the Missouri legislation
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  on there, but do you feel like if somebody around the country
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  wants to learn more about it that that would be a good first
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  place to come check out? I think so, because I don't know
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  of any other organizations that are doing what we're doing right
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  now, which is, you know, actually not only encouraging
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  gold and silver legislation, but helping other states.
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  You know, several people within our organization have done stuff
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  to help other states with gold and silver legislation.
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  And if you don't have an organization like the Missouri
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  Freedom Initiative? You know, clearly you want to
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  start one to support gold and silver in your state and this
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  can serve as a meeting point. And we have an amazing
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  Webmaster. His name is Tom and he is doing,
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  you know, a fantastic job, you know, keeping up with the growth
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  and everything. And we're looking for a brand
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  new look is going to come to the website.
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  All the functionality is being added, but we're going to have a
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  different look to our website in the coming months.
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  But. The important thing is to
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  understand that there are people out there that can help you get
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  this done and the more people you have, the better.
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  You know, there's a Missouri Freedom initiative is not a
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  small organization by any stretch, and it's a very popular
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  legislation. We were able to get lots of
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  people to come up to Jeff City to come and talk to legislators
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  face to face in 2023 to talk about gold and silver
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  legislation, and every state needs to consider doing the same
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  thing. I think some states are going to
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  do this by default just out of plain fear.
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  And they should, they should, they should be afraid of what
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  they see coming down the Pike with the digital dollar.
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  You know, with inflation the way it is right now.
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  The fact that states now understand the federal
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  government lies about, you know, the CPI, you know, they all know
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  it now. You know, I think a lot of
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  people say no, no, the government won't fib on these
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  numbers. Will they fib on a lot of
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  numbers gang? A lot of numbers and
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  unemployment is a big one and. There are many many others as
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  well, like for instance GDP. They they fib on those.
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  You can go to shadowstats.com and actually get a John Williams
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  information based on the 1980 standard to see how the
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  government's actually doing with their numbers.
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  Well, I'm, I'm not saying this, but I've heard some some very
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  smart people called the BLS, the Bureau of Lies and Statistics.
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  So. That's correct.
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  Yeah. There's a Pat.
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  Thank you. As always.
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  It's been great speaking with you.
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  You know on behalf you're you're definitely a fan favorite in the
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  Ron's basement community. You're always a wealth of
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  knowledge and very generous with us and very generous with people
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  all throughout the whole country that have an interest in
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  furthering legal tender legislation.
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  I know we've mentioned it already, but if people want to
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  learn more about you, about your organization, it's MO free.org.
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  You do a live stream on Saturday nights and I know when you're
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  not too swamped, busy you're you're pretty good about, you
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  know, returning emails and questions people have as well.
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  And so on behalf of everyone, thank you.
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  Thank you very much, Ron. Thank you for having me on and.
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  And thanks for helping spread the word about gold and silver
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  legislation nationwide. We all need it.
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  Every state needs it. It's not just Missouri.
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  You and I are Missourians, you know.
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  So you know, it's not just for us.
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  It's for everyone in every state.
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  So thanks for helping to spread the word on that as well.
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  And I just love the folks in the basement.
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  I met. All the correspondence I've had
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  with all the folks in the basement has been and it's been
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  top notch. You have a very smart audience.
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  Thank you. And and we do appreciate that
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  you wore a red shirt today as well.
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  You betcha. Solidarity man.
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  See you soon, Pat. Thank you.
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  See you, Ron. Thank you.
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  God bless you.