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131. [North Carolina] Kelli Bordeaux · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: So let's get into this week's episode. Out of North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly Marie Bordeaux Nay Henson Bordeaux like Sins, Little Cajun
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  Speaker 1: was born on December twenty seventh, nineteen eighty eight, in
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  Speaker 1: Saint Cloud, Florida. Now Kelly was described as a good
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  Speaker 1: friend who was always there for anyone in need. She
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  Speaker 1: was ambitious, ambitus ambissius. She was ambitious. So she took
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  Speaker 1: her love of helping and channel that into a career
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  Speaker 1: in the military. So, at the age of twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: she joined the army and became a medic with aspirations
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  Speaker 1: to serve in the military until retirement. Those were kind
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  Speaker 1: of her plans. She had just joined though, So I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of people go into it thinking they're
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  Speaker 1: going to retire, but then they get to re enlistment
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  Speaker 1: time and they're like, I gotta get the fuck out
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  Speaker 1: of here. And Eric, yeah, they're telling me. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people telling me what to do all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't really want to live with this lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: But at the time she had aspirations to serve. You
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  Speaker 1: go all the way. So Kelly was very petite. She
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  Speaker 1: was only five to one and one hundred pounds, but
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  Speaker 1: they said she was strong and she was just determined
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  Speaker 1: to be a soldier, determined to be a medic in
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  Speaker 1: the army. Now Kelly would marry Michael Bordeaux in twenty ten,
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  Speaker 1: and they had problems basically from the start. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're young, like twenty ten she was. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: in their early twenties and everything, still trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: things out. So they had problems. They decided to separate
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  Speaker 1: but would give it another chance. When Kelly joined the military.
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  Speaker 2: After basic training, Kelly would be stationed at Fort Bragner
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  Speaker 2: Fayetteville in North Carolina. Michael moved with Kelly to North
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  Speaker 2: Carolina so they could work on their marriage, but things
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  Speaker 2: were still not very good. Kelly gave it three months
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  Speaker 2: and when it feel old with good, I mean that's
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  Speaker 2: what I think. Well, I'm on a ninety day Apple
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  Speaker 2: Music trial right now for buying those Apple air tags.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, everybody gets everybody gets ninety days. Well you you
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  Speaker 1: got ninety days with your current job and you're still
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  Speaker 1: on probation. It was determined me, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, and I know I can't get fired.
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  Speaker 1: The four year old had some very harsh words when
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  Speaker 1: it came to your annual review.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's she going to do? Fire me? Anyway? Well
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  Speaker 2: she could, how could she? What's she going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Go to her room, go to daycare.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, she won't. She'll be she'll be back. She'll
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  Speaker 2: be looking for me, forgiven me.
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  Speaker 1: After one day in daycare, she'd be like, uh, this
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  Speaker 1: is not for me. I do not like corn.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that so happens is what happened to Kelly and Michael.
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  Speaker 2: It did not work out, so he went back to
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  Speaker 2: Florida left her in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's in North Carolina. Everyone wants to move to,
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  Speaker 1: like North and South Carolina too. It's such an I
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  Speaker 1: think it's such a nice, pretty place. Don't you think.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've been to South Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like everybody's like, yeah, everyone's like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if I could move anywhere and be North or South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: No, not mean Okay, I'd moved to Odessa, Texas.
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  Speaker 3: No, we wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Moving on with our story, okay. Kelly had many friends
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  Speaker 2: and she enjoyed going out in the evenings when she
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  Speaker 2: had free time. As time went on and it was
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  Speaker 2: clear that Kelly and Michael were headed for the Big
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  Speaker 2: D not Dallas divorce, Kelly continued to see a guy
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  Speaker 2: that she had started saying back when they when her
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  Speaker 2: and Michael had initially separated, and this guy's name was
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  Speaker 2: Justin Thomas or justin case.
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  Speaker 1: You know, justin case comes up again in our Yes episode.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say that this I know's she's the
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  Speaker 1: victim in all. But this was a messy situation because
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  Speaker 1: that boyfriend was like found during while she was married earlier.
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  Speaker 1: This wasn't like they got separated and it was it
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  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we're getting divorced, now let me start dating.
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  Speaker 1: She was dating while she was still married to the
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  Speaker 1: one guy, like and they were you know, off and
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  Speaker 1: on working on it.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, during their separation, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Well no the first time, hadn't they No, they said
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to kind of gloss over it, but
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  Speaker 1: what it sounded like was they were having trouble. So
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  Speaker 1: she went off and got her a new boyfriend while
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  Speaker 1: she still lived in Florida, and then she moved joined
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  Speaker 1: the military, and when she was there, then she decided
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  Speaker 1: to try to make it work with her husband, and
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  Speaker 1: so she took a break from her boyfriend and then
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  Speaker 1: went back to her boyfriend. And the boyfriend, the Justin guy,
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  Speaker 1: he even said, yeah, I just respected her when she
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  Speaker 1: said she wanted to try to work with her husband.
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  Speaker 1: I hate the boyfriend on this thing. I like, I
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  Speaker 1: can't He's so stupid. I kept pausing it. He is
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  Speaker 1: so stupid. Anyways, he was like, yeah, even when she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to work it out with her husband, I would
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  Speaker 1: just uh, I would you know? I gave her her space.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is I think he just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be on the dateline episode basically.
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  Speaker 2: Is what happened trolling for some new Tale.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he was like trying to like get his face
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  Speaker 1: out there as personally is what I think. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: get into the boyfriend. Yeah, here's my Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: So Justin and Kelly, we're progressing in the Justin to Kelly?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that that movie From Justin to Kelly? It was
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  Speaker 1: like Justin I don't know his last name. And then
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  Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson. They were in a movie and it was
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  Speaker 1: called from Justin to Kelly or something like that. That's
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  Speaker 1: all I could think of whenever I know Stuart our
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  Speaker 1: age difference is showing right now. But Kelly Clarkson was
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  Speaker 1: an American idol and a current lesbian icon, and then.
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  Speaker 2: Yes she is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get canceled. But it's just funny because all
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  Speaker 1: of our lesbian friends.
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  Speaker 2: They really like Kelly Clarkson one more than any other.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and uh, remember that time I met Kelly Clarkson.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you gotta drag that story up again.
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  Speaker 2: I always tell I rehash some story that you had
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  Speaker 2: already heard the other day, and you're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: got to hear that story.
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  Speaker 1: Well, whatever I did for heard this story, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want he heard again. But there was a movie called
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  Speaker 1: from Justin to Kelly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, these two people, this Justin and Kelly, were not
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  Speaker 2: in that movie. They were progressing in their relationship. However,
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  Speaker 2: suppose he says, according to him and the intentions of
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  Speaker 2: Justin moving into North into the apartment with Kelly in
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina, they had talked about things, but they had
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  Speaker 2: not talked about marriage. But Justin figured that they were
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  Speaker 2: just progressing that way.
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  Speaker 1: It was implied.
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  Speaker 2: But this, yes, it was implied that he was going
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  Speaker 2: to move there. They were going to move in together,
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  Speaker 2: and then it would just be the natural pool.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I have a question, because you were in the military,
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  Speaker 1: so she was allowed to live off base because she
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  Speaker 1: was married. Yes, what happens if she divorces the husband?
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  Speaker 1: Does she get those things revoked.
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  Speaker 2: Depends on her rank and howpful the barracks are. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: if she's an E one or two, you're going back
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  Speaker 2: to the barracks.
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  Speaker 1: Really, yes, I thought you could like apply to live
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  Speaker 1: off off off campus.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is twenty this is twenty twelve. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so a lot of things have changed since I got out.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, they have.
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  Speaker 2: There were staff. There was E six's living in the bar.
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  Speaker 1: When you were there, it was like muskets and like bayonets.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't even have aircraft when you were in because
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  Speaker 1: you're sould.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, and March of twenty twelve, Justin visited Kelly
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  Speaker 2: n Fayetteville, North Carolina. He was checking out the town
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  Speaker 2: because he had planned to move there in just two
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  Speaker 2: weeks time. So they went to one of her little
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  Speaker 2: one of those little base bars that's around the base.
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  Speaker 1: It was definitely a dive bar. It was like in
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  Speaker 1: the woods.
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  Speaker 2: And every base has a bar. Usually they'll serve underage
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  Speaker 2: people drinks. There was one outside of Millington, Tennessee, that
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  Speaker 2: served us drinks. I don't recall the name of it.
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  Speaker 2: It was next to a junk yard. Oh god, and
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  Speaker 2: they only served beer in plastic cups, so if the
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  Speaker 2: cops showed up, you just tipped your beer over and
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  Speaker 2: then you ran out the back door. So we were
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  Speaker 2: hiding out there in the junkyard and the semi trucks
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  Speaker 2: when the cops were raiding the bar. One time they
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  Speaker 2: raided the bar for like two hours.
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  Speaker 1: Heard this story.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't I can't remember how we got home,
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  Speaker 2: but we got home.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, now you're.
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  Speaker 2: Here without being arrested or detained.
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  Speaker 1: You forgot to say the name of the bar. It
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  Speaker 1: was Froggy Bottoms.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of a cool name, like sendor frog
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  Speaker 2: as down in Tijuana.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hm no, no, Stewart, I have not been to Tijuana.
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  Speaker 1: Do I look like the type of person who would
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  Speaker 1: go to Tijuana? Yes? You do?
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  Speaker 2: You absolutely?
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  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Why would I do?
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  Speaker 1: I look like I would go to Tijuana?
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  Speaker 2: You like to party, you'd be down there.
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  Speaker 1: No, I like to party, post your goddarn mind. If
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  Speaker 1: anybody associates anything with me, it's definitely not partying.
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  Speaker 2: At all possible.
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  Speaker 1: So on April thirteenth, twenty twelve, it was a Friday,
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  Speaker 1: the thirteenth, Kelly decided to head out to Froggy Bottoms.
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  Speaker 1: Now she was going alone. She wanted to blow off
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  Speaker 1: some steam, and she enjoyed doing karaoke meeting new people.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely the two things that I would rather.
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  Speaker 2: Freaking out to take cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely two things that I would rather, you know, I'd
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  Speaker 1: rather clean the bathroom than than.
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  Speaker 2: At Froggy Bottoms.
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  Speaker 1: At bottoms and do karaoke and meet new people. So
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  Speaker 1: she texted her sister and Justin. Now, Justin was concerned
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  Speaker 1: her going by herself, but Kelly was an independent woman
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  Speaker 1: and she was going out to have some fun and.
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  Speaker 2: She was weren't too happy about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, supposedly he was just worried about he or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm sure he was like, why the hell you
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  Speaker 1: going out? I mean again, I didn't care for the guy.
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  Speaker 1: I got a vibe from him and I didn't like it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Justin and Kelly they texted through the evening and everything
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  Speaker 1: seemed fine. Now Justin went to bed and he woke
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  Speaker 1: up the next morning. Well, let me just say he
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: said that he was concerned for her safety. So why
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  Speaker 1: on earth would you go to bed before you found
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  Speaker 1: out she made it home safe? If you're word he
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  Speaker 1: was worried that she didn't live with anybody, so she
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  Speaker 1: could just like not show up and nobody would know
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  Speaker 1: where she was at. Nobody could hear from days and
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  Speaker 1: nobody would know she was missing. I'm like, dude, you're
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: her person that should be you know what what's doing?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he worked all day and he was tired and
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: he passed out in his recliner and watching TV waiting
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: on her. Maybe she should have gone home and called
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  Speaker 2: him at like ten o'clock and said, hey, I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Have gone out, okay anyway, so she so he's justin
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  Speaker 1: shut up up there whatever. Anyways. So he wakes up
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  Speaker 1: the next morning from to a text from Kelly saying,
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  Speaker 1: I am home, I'm safe, drunk, I'm tired, going to
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  Speaker 1: bed now. Justin just these two little brain cells bumping
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  Speaker 1: together were like wow.
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  Speaker 2: He just was.
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  Speaker 1: So he's telling he's just so baffled that she would
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  Speaker 1: He's like, this is just the weirdest thing to text somebody.
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  Speaker 1: You're you texted your boyfriend that you were home safe
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  Speaker 1: and you were drunk and you were going to bed.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, why on earth would someone text me and
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  Speaker 1: say they're safe? And he said he said it like
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  Speaker 1: he was just really deeply thinking about this. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you were so stupid. Yes, she texted you and said
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  Speaker 1: she's home safe. I mean, we're gonna find out she
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: didn't actually text him, but biler, I'm just saying. He
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  Speaker 1: was so confounded that somebody would that somebody would text
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  Speaker 1: I'm home safe at night. Anyways, So he found that
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  Speaker 1: this was odd. I guess maybe it's odd behavior behavior
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  Speaker 1: for her. That's just I don't know, so he said,
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  Speaker 1: he you know, was hoping he was wrong. But he
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  Speaker 1: waited the day out to see if she could contact
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: him or he could contact her, and nothing. Now, he
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  Speaker 1: decided to call the Feateville Police Department the next day,
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  Speaker 1: and they would say that they would need more details
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  Speaker 1: and they would also need like an actual family member
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  Speaker 1: to call, not just the boyfriend. So he decides to
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  Speaker 1: wait another day. And that's when he'd called the army
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: base just to see if she showed up there. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: he is the I will give him credit. He's the
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: only one checking in on her, like he's this is weird.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And so she hadn't shown up for roll calls too?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Is that terminal?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, so she hadn't shown up and that's when the police,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: both local and military, went to her apartment and they
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: couldn't find Kelly there either. So family members were contacted
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and they began frantically trying to get a hold of
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Kelly in any way possible, Facebook, texting, calling, everything. Can't
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: get a hold of her.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Well a reliable soldier now missing, the Peel PD opened
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: a missing person case on Kelly, so they brought in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the homicide unit right away. They were highly concerned that
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: something bad had happened to Kelly, and Kelly's siblings and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: her estranged husband all arrived in Fayetteville to get the
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: media involved so that they could arrange search parties and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: get her name out there and hopefully get some some
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: volunteers to go searching for her.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's one of the biggest things seems
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to make a difference in some of these cases getting sold,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: is the family getting out there and just plastering the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: person's face all over it. They go and they talk
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to the media and they're like, we need to find her.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: This is not like her, you know, and that really helps.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some people that are like, yeah, I went
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: to the comps and they didn't do nothing. It's because
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: there was no media attention.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Well yeahad media, I know that's unfortunate. But the squeakiest
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: will gets the grease. So if you go out there
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and you're just talking, talking, talking, they're like, oh my god,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: we need to we got to go do something.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to make it look like we're doing something.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And also you garner the public's support and then they're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: out searching for her.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: It's not just you calling the police saying what are
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you doing, it's every media, the reporters, the community, yes,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: harassing them. Yes, so they got to put resources into it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, I hope if I ever go missings do you
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: will go out there and pretend you had nothing to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: do with it and get the attention that I deserve.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, none, Stewart, she did not light up a room, gentlemen.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Getting back to our story, Michael, the estranged husband, stated
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: two cameras that they were a happy couple and that
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: he missed his wife and he wanted her home. So
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: he wasn't really actually portraying the relationship as it was,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: and the media attention did have the affected desire.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Affected desire, I don't know that's what She wrote the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: desired effect.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Desired effect. Yes, I thought it was funny when I
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: read it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I will say in Michael's Mike's defense, taking
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that in, Yes, who's gonna say, who's going to go
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: out and say.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Me and my wife who was missing? Who's gonna go
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: out there and be like, yeah, actually we're not.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: We weren't happy at all. She wanted to divorce me,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: She had a new boyfriend.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Who's gonna she was moving him in?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who's gonna say that sucks?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So you killed her? No?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he already was going to be suspect number one.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna go out there and just be interviewed
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: by the news and be like, yeah, we were miserable.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Actually we're miserable. I got a girlfriend, you got a boyfriend.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So the media attention had the desired effect. Hundreds of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: people began searching, it's not there as bad as the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: valdoseda Valdosta problem.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Then, oh, we did get a review on that. We
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: got a one star. Because remember, even these years later.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I think I've gotten like two or three one star.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: One star just from that mispronunciation of.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: That town must have grated on Somebody's Nerves podcast.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It's such a small town to anger so many people.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: You really have a special knack for that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I do, I do, I really do. That's why you
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: were yelling at me just earlier today about something. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: don't know what it was anyway. Hundreds of people began
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: searching the woods for Kelly, but after days and days,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: nothing was found. The family was trying to keep up hope,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: but it was becoming more difficult by the day to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: keep that hope up.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So police they began interviewing friends and family to try
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: to see who, you know, who their suspects may be.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: They obviously started with the estranged husband. He was not
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: clear with police on the status of the relationship. He
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: did make it sound like to them, which was not
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the media, that they were happy and then would kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of backtrack on that. And it wasn't until talking to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Kelly's family and friends that they had a better understanding
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of the actual relationship and where it was going. So
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Kelly was most definitely leaving Mike, even if he had
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: other ideals, because he might he was still holding on
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit. She was done, though her family friends
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: were like the sister was like she was wanting a divorce.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've had that same problem before myself.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There's this girl that was like hoping them stay with me,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and then she started making all these albums and songs
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: What.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't take her back. And you heard of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. Oh, she wrote all these albums about my.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: God, you're such a that is such a dad joke
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: in such a loser joke.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I am a dad and I'm married to you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So you're a loser. Okay. So this was concerning to police,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: but Mike insisted that he was back down in Florida
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: at the time of her disappearance, and police were able
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to confirm this alibi. So they had to move on
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to questioning that boyfriend of hers from Justin to Kelly
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Old Justin. He too said he was home the weekend
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: she disappeared, and this was confirmed as well. So their
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: two top suspects are out the door already right off
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the bat. Now they had to start looking at maybe
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: who she interacted with in Fayetteville. It must have been
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: somebody there, or maybe a stranger or somebody knew in
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: her life.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, shut up, Stu. Now Justin had a story for
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: police about a guy that Kelly had given her number
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: two that worked at the Froggy Bottom, and his name
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: was Nick Hulbert. Now the guy he apparently they were
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: at the bar one night with when Justin was visiting
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: before he moved, and Nick was sorry, I had a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: frog e bottom in my throat. That was the other
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: thing I was just telling Stu when we paused. That
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was part of the reason it's been so long since
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: we had an episode. I was sick, and then I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: gave it to Stu and then I got sick again,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: like we've been passing it back and forth. So what
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: happened with Nick was Justin and Kelly Justin to Kelly
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: were at the Froggy Bottom one night whenever he was visiting,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and this guy starts like chatting with them and everything,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: being real friendly. The Justin guy said he seemed the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: guy seemed the Nick guy was kind of weird or whatever,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: but Kelly kind of befriended him, letting him come play
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: pool with him and everything, And so Kelly ended up
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: giving her number to this guy, thinking it was, you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: an innocent situation. She just said she told Justin was like,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you don't give him your number whatever, which it is weird.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Sorry sorry Kelly, but she just said that it was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: good idea to have a friend at the bar because
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the Nick guy worked at the bar. So she's like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: this is good to have you know, someone who works
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: here that can maybe help me out watch my back
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: because she's there by herself.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: No, it's somebody that can slide you a drink that
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you don't pay for every now and then.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little over poor. Yeah. So I think that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: was her whole angle of all this, you know. And anyway,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so Justin told police that Kelly planted actually planned on
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: getting a ride from Nick the night she went missing,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and from the bar. Yes, so this is major.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Detectives went to talk to Nick, and Nick had fallen
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: on some hard times. Nick was living in the woods
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: at a campsite behind the bar.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Nick was ever on good times,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: so I think this was just a constant state.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Of and not like campsite where you're in your not
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a basil pusher. He's in a tent.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not like fun camping like they do on Instagram
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: now where they travel around in they're like, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars. Van. This was real, like like, can
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you say hobo.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: It's at a louder, yes, yes.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Well I was thinking like hobo because I was I've
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: been playing a lot of Zelda and they there's they
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: say there's a hobo that.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Lives under the bridge.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And you have to go get a bottle, a magic
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: bottle from like a bottle for storage you can store
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: like a ferry or a bee or potion. And they
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: say there's a hobo under the bridge. That's what Nick
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: made me think of.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, So you don't think you can use the word hobo. Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: but I derogatory term.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: That I'm not up with the I'm not I'm old, Okay,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: You're almost like old. So no, Nick was not doing
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: well in life at the moment. He was. He was
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: looking at brighter day as.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Ahead though he got Kelly's phone number.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: He got Kelly's phone number. They searched his property and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: by that we mean his car in the campsite, in
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: his backpack or whatever. I don't know, and they found
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: no evidence of Kelly. So they bring Nick in for questioning.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: He's very cooperative. He answered all the questions and he
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: didn't seem to be nervous at all. He was part
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: of the search parties and was even interviewed on a
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: local news station talking about Kelly, saying that he really
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: hoped that they found her. They had no choice but
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to release Nick, and they didn't. They but they did
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: find out that he was on the sex offender registry
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: list and that he was not properly registered.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: How do you register at a campsite? Though?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, he got the address to the bar wrong.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe he didn't reregister when he moved
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: to the campsite.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: But how do you put the address of the campsite?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I guess the bar and then you draw a little
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: X for the campsite behind the bar. I don't know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: With this, they were able to arrest Nick and questioned
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: him more while he was in jail. They found some
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: of his uh, his stories had some inconsistencies. They pretty
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: much caught him a couple doozy whopper lies. But nothing you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Say doozy whopper lies.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: You don't even know that I do. That's what they said.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: They said they caught him in some lies. Okay, so
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: doozy whoppers is my my ad living some doozies, Some Whoppers.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Doozy Whoppers implies they were major lies.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: We don't know why.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Wait, we know now, you're an idiot. Just set back
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: over there. Let me let me continue on here. So
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: they he moved to the top of the suspect lists. However,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: they did not have any evidence on him, anything solid
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: that he had anything to do with her parents. He
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't admitted in He was not going to admit it either,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: so they kept an eye on him, but the case
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: quickly ran cold.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Now let me pull together over here, so the case
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: would get its big break when a man named David
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Marshburn and I have some hot takes on this fella.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: To Stuv too, I mean, the guy's got a wife
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: and a kid.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, we don't even know Stu.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Let's get it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, we do know that, but let's talk about it because.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: People don't understand what we're talking about. So he took
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: an interest in Kelly's Clay Kelly's case. Now he was
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a bounty hunter and a private investigator, and Kelly's case
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: became quite the obsession for him, like full on obsession.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So he had, as Stu mentioned, he had a wife
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and child, and he admittedly basically abandoned his family for
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a couple of years and forty thousand dollars spent to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: try to solve this case. He became completely obsessed with.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: His personal money. I don't know if he was ever reimbursed.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: So this all came out of his own pocket.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because the family didn't hire him. He did.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: He saw this on TV. He with the.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Searches, and then he just continued on. Well when he
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: saw that as the police leads dried up, he continued
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: on there.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's what happened was he saw that Nick
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: guy on TV and he immediately was like, this guy's lying.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: We all know he's lying. Okay, we all know this.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: You didn't have liked.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody knows he's lying. We just don't have enough,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you know, evidence on him. So he saw him and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: he knew that he was lying, and so he just
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: became completely in one hundred percent obsessed. No one was paying.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: That's why he went forty thousand dollars in personal debt
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: working on this case. Like I said, he said, he
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: basically abandoned his wife and his child and just worked
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: on this case for two solid years. Now along with David,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: he had an assistant named Marcia and a special search
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: dog named Kaz. So after everybody was done searching, they
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: continued to search for miles and miles of woods looking
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: for Kelly. When he still had no luck, he then
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: attempted to get Nick Holbert to confess He's became his mission.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: He approached Nick at his home and he just kind
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of introduced himself. He said, I'm a private investigator and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for Kelly. He made it sound like he
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: was hired, you know, to look into this. And he's like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I think you can help me because you were the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: last one not suspecting him or anything. Just wanted to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: befriend him. So they did become friends, and David slowly
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: would prod him for information, but he just wasn't getting
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: much of anywhere, Like Nick wasn't giving up the goods
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: no matter how much this guy tried.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I've been there, shut up, Stu.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Nick tried, not Nick. David tried several things to get
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Nick to confess, and this including included, not including included
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a fake plea deal that he got from the DA
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm using the air bunnies around that and he said, hey,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the DA gave me these this plea deal that I wanted.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: He wanted to offer you or whatever, if you'll just
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: confess to what you did to Kelly. And this is
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: where Stu's just in case came because he put he
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: signed the judge as justin case, and he had to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: explain it, explain it to the dateline lady Andrea Canning.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: She didn't get it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, justin f case.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: OK, but you know what, and now that I can
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: get it, just oh, I get it now you know
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: what though, I realized now she is married, so she
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: has a husband, so she's probably heard that joke fifty
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: million times and is like, oh, let me give him
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: a pity laugh. That's stupid. So anyway, so he gives
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: him the fake plea deal and the guy, the Nick guy,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: looks at it, reads it over a couple times, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: then eventually just decides. He's like, oh, they'll just take
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: it back. I'm not doing anything. So it almost worked,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: but then it didn't.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: The obsession with getting Nick to confess continued, with David
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: hiring Nick to do odd jobs for him, as well
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: as buying meals, cigarettes, beers, pretty much whatever comfort item
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: he wanted.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Well, next probably like you know what the comfort item
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I'd like to have is a fucking house.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's not on the list. He felt that
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: if he continued to gain his trust, he would eventually confess.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: David said that during this time he hated Nick, but
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: he had to pretend that he liked him.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, he just wanted to like rip him.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: He wanted to torture him into confess him, but he
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: didn't obviously, or we'd be talking about David going to jail. Finally,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: two years after Kelly had disappeared, David finally got Nick
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to admit to harming Kelly. He did this by staging ate.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: He had a friend David did that had a car
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that resembled an undercover police car. So he got this
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: guy to park it outside of Nick's house and it
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: started getting on Nick's nerves.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, I guess Nicko did eventually move into a home
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: because he was outside the house. So yes, he must
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: have been.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean he whenever he got out of jail,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: he had moved in.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he Yeah, that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Was his all shack that he was living in. So anyway,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: David got this guy to park this car outside his
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: house and made it look like the police are watching him.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: So Nick got paranoid and he started this started to
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: break him really he Then David then had his wife
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: call and she's posing as a paralegal. She's telling Nick
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that he's about.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: To be in dieted and the wife at this point
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: is like, Jesus, I'll do whatever you need me. What
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: do you need me to do to get this done?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Because I would like you to come, you know, spend
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: time with your family and stop spending all our money.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he had a lot of money from private investigating,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and maybe he.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Did drive that white panel van that looked a little sketchy.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked like a sex offender himself in that
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: white panel van. So they drove out to a wooded
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: area where Nick said Kelly was disposed of. However, he
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: could not remember exactly where she was. So they searched
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: for hours and hours with the dog, but they still
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: kaz but they still could not find Kelly. David took
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Nick to a motel and said he would be back
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: in the morning because I guess Nick's all freaking out
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that the cops are after him. Yeah, so Dave puts
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: him up in a motel. He's like, I guess I
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: got him all spun up and I gotta put him
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: in a damn hot what.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: But like, it was crazy to me that he just
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: left him there at the motel. I would have been like,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I'll stay with you, make sure everything, because I'd be worried.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He'd well, that's what the lady asked him. She's like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: weren't you worried he'd just get on the road and run.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, I was worried about him killing himself
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: because the walls were closing in all.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, So that was like he had a lot going
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: for him. Anyways, the Nick guy, even before.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: This, he's got a friend buying him cigarettes and bear No.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But before this he lived in a tent behind the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Froggy Bottom bar.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I know they probably got all kinds of free draft beer.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, living the life.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Then you go live that life, Stewart. Okay, it gets
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: cold at night in North Carolina, all right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it does. The next morning, David picked Nick up.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: They went out back and he took him in another
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: direction looking for the body. The dog picked up on
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the scent and it was a hit. They began digging
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and they quickly came across Kelly's jacket and then a bone. Well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: this whole process is going on. David is texting the
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: police department and he sent photos to the police and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: they told him stop digging. We're on our way. So
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: they brought out the crime scene units and the whole
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: forensics package and everything, and they arrived and they spoke
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: to Nick, who at this time fully confessed to police
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: what happened to Kelly.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Now, Nick tells police that he was at the bar
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: with Kelly when someone told her about Nick's sex offender status. Well,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: this got her really upset. I guess because she's riding
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in the car by herself with this guy. She's befriended
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: this guy and he's a sex offender, and I don't
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: They never went into like detail, Wow, stud really dropped
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Wow detail, I'm taking a drink.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: They never went into detail about what he had done.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But she got very upset and she went outside and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he follows her out there and they got into an
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: argument and she started yelling at him. Now, he said
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that he snapped and kind of zoned out and he
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: just hit her, knocking her out. Remember she's small girl,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: She's five pounds so he he hit her, knocks her out,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: He drags her to her his campsite, which you know
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: is behind the bar. She wakes up at some point
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and she begins screaming, and so that's when he hit
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: her again and it actually killed her. He then dragged
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: her to the woods and buried her body. Now, this
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: is what he's telling all we have to go on,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: is what he's saying happened. Because but he's a sex
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: offen er, So I wouldn't be surprised if this there
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: was a sexual component to this. But at the point
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: where they could do the autopsy, she had been she
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was so decomposed.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It had been two years.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Nick was arrested and charged with first degree
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: murder and would sit in jail awaiting trial. Now, an
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: autopsy was done on Kelly and it did confirm that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: she died from blunt force trauma to the head. Now,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Kelly's family was finally able to have some closure and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: they lay her to rest. They you know, they talked
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: about you know how it wasn't not a happy moment,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: but it was just like a relief to be able
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to know have some something, to know where she was at.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: They had her body, and they could, you know, put it,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: put an EndNote to that instead of just always wondering
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: if she was out there. So they said whenever they
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: did her had her funeral, they had it back in
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Florida that so many people wanted to attend. They actually
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: televised the funeral and so that everybody could watch. Now,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in August of twenty fifteen, Nick chose to take a
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: plea deal and he admitted to killing Kelly, and then
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: he received a life sentence with no chance of parole.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Which it's good he did. I mean, the only positive
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: he did save them a trial, and that's probably the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: most he was going to get anyways, because if he
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: if he's telling them that he hit her out of anger,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: they were never going to get the death penalty in
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: this I think North Carolina is a death penalty state.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: But like that was the most they were going to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: get anyway, So it's best that they didn't.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Have to do a whole spent a lot of money
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: on a trial.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was probably just happy to get out of
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the campsite. Now he goes to jail and he yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Got some commissary.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe all right, Well that's our case for
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: this week, stude, do you have your y'all need Jesus?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Of course I did?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, what do you mean, well I got I
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: didn't get a comment after I said whip it out,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: even though I did that on purpose. Okay, moving on,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it will not be later. I'm going to bed after this.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are Stewart.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Stop.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Do you have your y yes? What do you want?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: You want to hear about how Susan Smith is devastated
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: she won't be on Dancing with the Stars already? Want
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to hear about the girl who texted the police officer
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: that she wanted to buy some fentanyl instead of her
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: drug dealer.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I'd rather hear about the second one. I don't want
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to hear about Susan Smith because she's depressing. I can't
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: believe she didn't think she's gonna I don't even know
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: what to make it what you just said though about
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the dance.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: She was up for parole and she didn't get it,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: so she was devastated she didn't get parole.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Why would you say Dancing with the Stars.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Because she thought she was going to get out on
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: parole and and somehow magically get her way on Dancing with.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, she did.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, okay, according to one of her suits,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: her that penpal suitors that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So we don't know if this is confirmed or not.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Well, the guy, the guy I got upset when he
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: found out he wasn't the only one that she was
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: romantically involved in writing letters with. So he is just
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: he has stopped his relationship.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: And he spilled the tea on what she'd been saying.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: All her hopes and dreams.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Oh God, your hopes and dreams when you get out
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of jail is that you go down dancing with the stars.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: You need to reevaluate your life, Jesus, at least try
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to be a real housewife or something. But no, she
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't get anything. She's a bad person. All right, Let's
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: talk about the lady who texted the cops.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: A tech challenged woman was busted after accidentally texting cop
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: instead of drug dealer.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: How does she have the cops number in her phone?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: That's in the story New York Post, published by Natalie O'Neill,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: published January ninth, twenty twenty five. Just recently, Florida especially.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna Florida, not Florida. I'm going to go
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: with Florida.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: She wanted to score some dope, not report one a
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: tech challenge. Florida woman accidentally a cop bed on these
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: instead of her drug dealer to buy fentanyl, unwittingly narking
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: on herself. It was especially after this many drinks. Well
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: there was like three or four shows. Unwittingly narking on herself,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: according to police who arrested her, Octavia Wells. Octavia. That's
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a nice name, unless you're texting your drug and your
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: cop instead of your drug dealer. Octipe, I do too,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Age forty one had been headed to rehab on New
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Year's Eve when she texted a man she'd previously entered
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: in her phone as PJ, allegedly offering to pay forty
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: dollars forty five dollars for the open opioid. According to
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Bay County Sheriff's so she's going to rehab, She's like, hey,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: one last little party.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Oh. It's like she's just like, you're about to start
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a diet. You do a cheap million know it's understandable.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: New Year's Eve. I'm gonna quit smoking tomorrow. Let's just
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: smoke them. I gotta smoke the rest of this cart
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and in my phraser.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: It's like I'm gonna quit drinking tomorrow. It's down the hole.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I got like two fists at Jamison. So the drim
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: dimn wedded Druggy then arranged to meet the guy on
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the other end of the line at a Tom Thumb
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: convenience store in Panama City, but when she arrived at
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the store, narcotics cops were waiting there to arrest her.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Well soon learned that she had mistakenly contacted Steven Petty John,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: an investigator with the Bay County Sheriff's Office known as PJ,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: with whom she'd had a previous iteration. I'm guessing she
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: had an encounter iteration. That's just the stories. I'm guessing
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: she had been previously cited or arrested by this person.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Why would you have his phone number though they hit
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: it off in the cop card?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Possibly case number. Here's my phone number, case number, this,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: that and the other, if you got any problems.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Sounds suspicious to me.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: So anyway she put his his name in it's PJ.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Her drug dealer's name is also PJ.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: What are the odds? What are the odds? You really
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: need to clarify that though in the saving of your content.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, PJ cop PG drug dealer. She allegedly later told
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: cops Petti John's name was similar to her drug dealers.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: According to the arrest.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Was named Petted James.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Details of Will's previous interaction with the investigator.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Oh god, my story, what happened to read.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Now the stupid phone.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: No, it's all also when you know, also.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Her previous and her previous interaction with the detective was
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: not described in the complaint.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Affidect Okay, because I think there was some fishy business
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: going on there. Okay, emphasis on the fishy can you think? Yes,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say. The problem with like news articles
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: or recipes or anything you're reading on a web page
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: these days, there's so many ads that it just like
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you can't read anything on.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Them now, and then jump and it jumps back to
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the top of the page.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime you're trying to read something that's on an
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: actual web page these days, it's it's annoying, and people
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: wonder why they get their news and stuff from like
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Facebook and stuff. It's like, well, at least when I'm
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: written on Facebook, it just stays still right there and
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I can actually read it. Right without having to, you know,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: be bombarded by an ad for a kiya.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: You know, cool story, Grandma. So Octavia was charged with
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: unlawful use of a communication device.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Really, seriously, you know what we are wasting our This
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: is nonsense. There's so many worse things going on in
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: this world. And this lady text in.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: The cops and dripping with spended license.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Oh god, no, never mind thrower in death penalty. All right?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Does that it do?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Yes? That is all? That is it for Octavia wells
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: age forty one? Okay, who accidentally.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Texted we named our next child Octavia? Yes, all right,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's it.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I was gonna tell everybody we we you know, we
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: went and did after we said I said we'd never
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: do it. What we booked a cruise?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: What are those people?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: You mean we never do it?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I think last time I said I would never book
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: another cruise, and then I went and booked the Disney
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: cruise and I said, the only reason I'm doing this
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: is because i want them to see Mickey and Minnie Mouse.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: But I'm not going to go to Disney World because
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: it was a disaster and it seems like a lot
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: of money for a lot of Ko, and you took
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: us to Disneyland Paris and then we went to Disneyland parents.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: That was a different experience.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Though, that was a different experience.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that was like.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: What I don't I thought we're gonna have to get
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: divorce attorneys and all.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Kinds of what are you talking about for Disneyland Paris?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What when when we went because we were late
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: getting out.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Oh that was a really bad day.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Never wanted to take that back. I forgot about that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: That was like last thing. That was one of those
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: things that I had gotten to my head that we
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: were gonna go do. And then everything went wrong that morning.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Everything that morning went went wrong.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And wrong that night with the children being up, Oh.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: They went they didn't go to bed till like for
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: some reason that night. They've been doing pretty well with
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the time change and everything, and they had gone to
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: they you know, they laid down everything like that, and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't go to bed till like, they wouldn't go
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to bed. I want or to no, And I went,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I came out. So I'm in there with the baby.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: So the baby sleeping in their little crib and we're
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: in a different room with the door closed. I woke
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: up at like one o'clock in the morning and I
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: hear the TV on and children up, and I about
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: lost my shit. I go out there. Stu is asleep
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: because they had because for some reason during this vacation,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: they all just determined that they were going to sleep
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: with Stu and I was gonna and I slept with
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the baby or whatever it was. She was in her
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: like crab or whatever.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Now you after Colemar, you were like, I'm not doing
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: that again. So I got stuff.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was it. I got My daughter was
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: sleeping with me. And then what happened was in Colemar.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that Airbnb was haunted and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the baby would not like she's a great like by
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: herself sleeper. She prefers that she likes to sprawl, you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: spread out and everything. All of our kids are like
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: they they've been their sleep on their own. But anyways,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: in Colemar, though, she would not sleep in that uh
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that pack and play by herself. I think there was
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: something in that. It was a really old building, so
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I think it was like haunted or whatever. So I
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: had to like sleep with the baby. Why are you
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: rolling your eyes?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: No?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: You're silly. Why do you why did she freak out
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: just that place out the other places? Then explain me that, explain.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Me that maybe it was uncomfortable mattress.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so I had to sleep with the baby, but
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I also had the four year old, well then three
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: year old in the bout with me, and after that,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing skin because I need
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: sleep or I'm gonna be Oh. Yeah. It was also
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: a very terrible fold out. Anyways, moving on, so the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Paris the Disneyland thing, I was like, Okay, we're gonna
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: get up in the morning, we're gonna go. We don't
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: have to go, We're gonna get up at and try
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to be there for nine whenever they opened or ten
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And I get up at like one o'clock
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in the morning and those children are out there watching
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: TV and stew Is asleep snoring, and I felt lost
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: my sh I was so mad. I couldn't even believe it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: So then of course we were up late, so we
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: didn't get up till late the next morning, and then
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it was just a disaster until we finally we ended
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: up not getting to Disneyland until like two o'clock in
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the afternoon and we spent about five hours there. I
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: think you didn't see that on Instagram.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not laden up, not the car ride there,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: laden up to the car ride there.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm just gonna say that, yes
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: we had I'm not well. I never pretended like we
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: had like it was all magical going to Europe for
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: three weeks with three small children. For the most part,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: it was good. But there were days where that was
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: one of the days. That was one of the days,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and when there was there, I think there was another
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: one that was really bad. Oh well, no, the one
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: drive did fine. There was another one that was really bad.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: There was another day that was real bad. There were
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: two really bad days, and the Disneyland Paris one was
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: But once we got there it was fine. It was
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: just the trying to get there. It was because I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: got so upset because I you know, I get in
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: my head like what we're gonna do, and then when
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, I just I spiraled, like it's on me.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I know, I told you it was on
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I spiraled.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: He's like, the children don't even know. If we didn't
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: we don't go or whatever. But I already had in
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: my head we were gonna go do this, We're gonna
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: do that. So then when it doesn't work out, then
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: it's then I just go into not every time, but
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: that time, yes, it was just because we were tired
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: and you didn't get those children about.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I fell asleep.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was laying there with them anyways. And then
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: we had one other rough really rough day.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, we had the rough day in.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Whenever I just said, I'm just That's when I watched
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the John Bene Ramsey documentary on Netflix in Ghent. We's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: headed out the door and the two year old had
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a meltdown. Like I had lowered our expectations on that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: day because I was like, okay, we we drove a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: long ways. We need to just have If you okay,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: anybody who's listening to this and writes a bad review
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: that we just went on about personal stuff or whatever,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: this isn't over.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: The episode is over.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. This is for people that act that have been
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: around for a long time that want to hear about
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the stuff for the hebs. So yeah, the hebs do
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: calls the hebs the everyone, and by Stu the hebs.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So the ghint one. We had driven a long ways
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the day before and so I had really lowered the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: expectations of the next day. And we were outside of
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the apartment for five minutes and we already had a
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: melt down, and I was like, fuck this. So I said,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: you know what, I said, I'm taking the two year
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: old and the baby. We're going back to the apartment.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: The two year old just needed a day. He doesn't
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: do as well with the he likes his routine in
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: his comforts. No, it was Jamison. He needed to go
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: back because I remember I stayed there with him. Well, no,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: she melted down. You know, it's like a domino effect.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: If one of them starts melting down, the other one's
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: just going to join in. I can't remember which one.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I think it was both of them. It might have
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: been both of them. Well, then he acted the full too.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: He had a melt down too because he had to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: go back, and that's why I stayed there with him
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and she got to go to the castle. Well, so anyways,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: that was the day that we just spent. I stayed
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: at the It was actually nice because I stayed at
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the Airbnb. Stu took the three year old to the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: castle so they could look for beast beauty and the best.
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  Speaker 1: They went. Yeah, so they went in, They went to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the castle, had a great time, and I just stayed
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: back there. The Jamison he just kind of relaxed on
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the couch and the baby took a good nap and everything,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: and I just I just laid there and just enjoyed
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: the peace and quiet.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, I wat. We had big plans for there and.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Well, no, we had plans to not just stay again.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: We were going to do like take the train over
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: to Brussels. Brussels. But we quickly, like after after we
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: after the the Luxembourg and everything, we were like, okay,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: we need to we need to chill out. We cannot
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: function on this trip like we would if it was
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: just us too. We have to lower the expectations what
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see. Anyways, after we did that, it was fine.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: We did pretty well. The only other time we had
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the big meltdown was Verstsi. But that's because the problem
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: is is that these two these two children, the two
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: older ones. The baby loves food, but these two older
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: ones they don't eat. So you like offer them food,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: they don't care anything about food, getting them to eat.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Is a fad of them.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then they're starving and then they have a meltdown.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: But I can't get them to eat. They don't care
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: about food. It's the I don't know if that's I'm
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: sure it's probably a normal toddler thing, but I see
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: some I think it just depends though, because I see
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: some people say I can't keep any food in the
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: house because my toddler eats everything, all the fruit, all
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the food, all the everything. I can't get these two
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: ones to eat. Now, this baby, however, she eats like
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: su'll eat twice as much.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: As the toddlers do, and she'll steal their food.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she steals their food. She's she's into food. These
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: two have never been really into food, so they don't eat.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Can't get them to eat breakfast or anything. So then
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: we take them out in public and all of a sudden,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the hunger his and then two year old he's can't
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: communicate yet, he's still learning how to talk and everything
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: like that, so he can't communicate what's wrong with him.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: So then in Versailles, he had a full on meltdown,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: like full on. We were sitting down to have the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: like the hot chocolate at Angelina's and everything, and he
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: has this meltdown everything like that. But that was bad.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: And then we got him a snack and he was fine.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: But it's just like, I'm offering you food before we left, Dude, Like,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: why can't you just eat it and be happy? But
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you know their kids, they don't, they don't respond that
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: way anyways. All right, we've gone on way too long.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Anybody listen, as is your own fault.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: But overall, I would say it's good.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: You know. What the great thing was is that the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: plane rides were excellent, and that's all I could ask for.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: The rest of this stuff is same shit, different location
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: because that those meltdowns and stuff like that, that stuff
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: can happen here. Except for the thing is we hate
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: where we live, so we don't go anywhere heres. No,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: we have two extremes. We're either a hole or we're
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: in a different country.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Those are more well on a vacation somewhere.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are our two stream. We just don't go
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: anywhere here. We go to little gym, and we don't
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: even go eat at restaurants or anything here because it's
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: too expensive. It's too expensive everywhere. But it's you know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: it's just like, what is the point? Pretty much so anyways,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't it wasn't bad. We had a few obviously,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: we had some low days, I would say a couple
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: of them, but overall it was a good experience and
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: people thought we couldn't do it, and we did it.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Found out the boy gets car sick or something.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we did find out he gets carsick, which
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. He rides rear facing here still, but over
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: there they don't. The car seats we had, like these
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: travel car seats or whatever, so he had to ride
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: forward facing, which is perfectly legal. Don't come at me.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: He's technically here. He could ride forward facing, but we
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: choose to have him ride rear facing still. And when
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: he was forward facing, we found out he gets carsick
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that way. So he threw up a couple of times
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: in the car.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, one time I was milk.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one time it was milk. The other times we
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: kind of learned, and then we started giving him the dramamine.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And then the last time he threw up was because
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: we forgot to give him the dramamine. Or we thought
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: he would be okay because he ate crackers before he left,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't okay. We had to stop in and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: buy pants at this thing, and then the pants were
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: too I got him twenty four month but he's like
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: tall and skinny, or he's not even really that tall,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: he's just skinny. Like I said, he doesn't eat anyways.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Uh he we bought him pants and they were too big,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: so they were like falling off. And when he was
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: walking around after I can't remember. We were going there.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Oh we were going to uh not coalmar we were
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: going to whatever that stros Yeah, anyways, but it was good.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: We'd like to go back, but like maybe go to
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Paris and go just just stay in Paris and do
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: all the stuff around there.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're definitely rushed.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't do much in Paris at all. We
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: just made it just that little see the Eiffel Tower
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: and uh yeah, just some walking around is all we did.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Started saw the Arctic Triumph and stuff and then but Paris,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: everything's a lot more spread out than you think. I
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: guess I always just every time I've gone before, I
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: use the trains, but when you're walking it it's a
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: lot more spread out. Like some stuff was like two
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: miles away. I'm like, oh my God, you realize it. Yeah,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that far away, Like two
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: miles is even if you don't have anything. That's a
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: long waist. I mean, that's a long time to walk
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: that that's at at a leisurely pace. That's an hour
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: to get somewhere and then turn around and come back. Anyways,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: all right, well that's enough. I'm going I'm tired. Do
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you have anything else? Ads too?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I do not. Well, I guess we're going on another
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: cruise after you said we weren't.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we are going on the cruise. We're going
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: on a Royal Caribbean cruise. It's a bigger ship than
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: we were on last time, but it's basically the same.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Oh it's the same size. No, I thought these are bigger.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I mean that, Yeah, it's bigger. I mean for the
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: record books, it's bigger. One foot longer is bigger. Okay,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: it's not like we're going to be on.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Like you're being generous with yourself. No, but it's it's
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: very similar to the ship we were on before, which
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I did like that ship, just like all the things
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: that they had. So we are going again. We have
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: two we have They.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Think we accidentally booked a cruise and then found out
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: what ship it was on.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was an old ass ship. It was
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: built like twenty twenty or whatever, twenty two thousand. It
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: was like twenty and I can't be doing no rust bucket,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: you guys, I can I can't be. And there was like,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: it's not family oriented, I guess at all, because it's
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Well, no, it's not.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I ain't got all the cool stuff that throw one.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: No. I read a bunch of a bunch of things
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: that people said those are for those ships are more
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: for like just adults, because there's not all these bells
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and whistles and boardwalks and central parks and carousels. Is
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: there's nothing like for children on there. It's it's an
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: older ship, more for adults. And it's they said, it's
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: like they're like old. I mean it's been around for
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: twenty plus years, Stewart. That's a lot of human stuff. Okay. Anyway,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: so we are going on the same route we went
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the last time we went on Royal Caribbean. Yes, and
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: we have two rooms now because our family is too
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: big for one room.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Because they want eight thousand dollars for one.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Room anyways for a suite or whatever one of these
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: like one bedroom suites or whatever. They I don't even
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: know if it's a suite, it's it's a little bit
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: bigger room. Disney's the only one that you can book
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: online for five people without having to call in one room.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: So Royal Cribbon. We ended up getting two rooms. We
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: got a really good deal because we were actually afraid
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: we were never gonna be able to go on vacation
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: again after we tried to look at like a all
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: inclusive or a or a cruise last time, or like
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: a couple months ago, we were looking and we're like, Okay,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: this is way too expensive. We're never going to be
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: able to go anywhere ever again. And Disney's way too expensive.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: We can't go on that again. Let's like in three years.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: As if the baby's obsessed with mini.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Your that requires playing tickets and everything.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well now you can go to out of Galveston.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I got Disney out of Galveston.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah really, Yeah, it's just Disney's expensive. You can all
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: we can all go in one room, but it's expensive.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: So anyways, the World Criby and we got a really
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: good deal. We got two rooms anyways. Okay, nobody wants.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: To hear this that I should have stopped a long
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: time ago.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, well we should stop now. I gotta go. I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: gotta go to bed. I got morning.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: We do. Let's go to bed.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Baby, No, all right, and that's it for us. Anything else?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Do anything else? Do?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I'm there now, okay, all right.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: We will see you next time. By everyone, say bye, stunt.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: You know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots by not
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: being else.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: It's working, and my hand is bringing and hurting and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: a shako. It's worrying.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Boutly I can