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Credlin | 15 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranbler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Chris, and I tell you what, how good has
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Speaker 2: been that history of Australia from my old boss, Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 2: You're most proud, aren't you to be an Australian as
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Speaker 2: we should be every single day. Good evening, Welcome to
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Speaker 2: the program. Here is what's coming up tonight on Kredline.
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Speaker 2: Having lost the voice referendum, Labour's now turned its mind
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Speaker 2: to a revolution by stealth. We've seen it in South
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Speaker 2: Australia now too in Victoria. Tonight I'll dig into the
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Speaker 2: details of Victoria's treaty legislation and why you should be scared,
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Speaker 2: not just if you're Victorian and anywhere else where. There's
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Speaker 2: a Labor government not even twenty four hours on from
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Speaker 2: the release of those Israeli hostages, and already her masks
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Speaker 2: back reasserting its authority with public executions. Now, what's you
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Speaker 2: say for the fragility of the peace steel Brick Sheridan
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Speaker 2: with more bar says her Mas's looks embolden calls mount
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Speaker 2: for Tony Burke in the government to categorically rule out
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Speaker 2: any Palestinian prisoners released as part of the piece deal
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Speaker 2: ending up in Australia. Now it should be an easy
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Speaker 2: commitment from Burke.
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Speaker 3: Why is it gone or quiet?
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Speaker 2: Plus Senior Liberal James Patterson telling his colleagues that the
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Speaker 2: party's got to end its public therapy sessions to focus
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Speaker 2: on policy. James Patterson will join me a little later
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Speaker 2: in the show, but here's a bit of what he
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Speaker 2: had to say.
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Speaker 1: There is a time limit on this soul searching process.
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Speaker 1: We must do it now, at the start of the term,
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Speaker 1: so that it does not drag on forever. An ongoing
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Speaker 1: mass public therapy session doesn't exactly scream ready for government.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people have interpreted things that he said
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Speaker 2: as criticism against particular individuals. Will get to that, as
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Speaker 2: I said. He'll join me here in the studio in
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Speaker 2: a moment. But first, when just over sixty percent of
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Speaker 2: Australians voted no to a constitutionally entrenched Aboriginal Voice, you'd
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Speaker 2: have thought that it would have put an end to
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Speaker 2: indigenous separatism everywhere. But because the Green Left never lets
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Speaker 2: democracy get in the way of identity politics, state labor
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Speaker 2: governments are still going full steam ahead with their own
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Speaker 2: versions of the voice, and nowhere is this more advanced
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Speaker 2: than Victoria. This weeks I've already told you the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Parliament has got its legislation out there and it's debating
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Speaker 2: what's called the State Wide Treaty Bill. Now, if it passes,
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Speaker 2: it will establish what's to be known as gellung Wall,
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Speaker 2: a phrase from one of the Aboriginal groups in the
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Speaker 2: Gippsland region that we are told means pointed spear. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that right appointed spear, and gellung Wall is more than
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Speaker 2: just a Victorian voice to the Parliament. It'll be a
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Speaker 2: whole new statutory body incorporating the existing First People'ssemly plus
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Speaker 2: two new further into these. One will be to monitor
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Speaker 2: the government's performance in advancing Indigenous interests, with a very
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Speaker 2: long reach into every official institution and government department in
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Speaker 2: the state. The other body will be a truth telling
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Speaker 2: body to ensure that quote the ongoing impacts of colonialization
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Speaker 2: are widely disseminated, particularly in schools. Back during the National
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Speaker 2: Voice referendum debate, the Prime Minister well He insisted that
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Speaker 2: the Ulurus statement was merely our respectful invitation to create
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Speaker 2: a listing body for Indigenous Australians.
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Speaker 3: And you remember that.
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Speaker 2: He attacked people like me when I expose the size
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Speaker 2: and the scope of the full Ularu Statement, which sought
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Speaker 2: to radically reshape our democracy along racial lines. Yet who's
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Speaker 2: right now, Prime Minister? When the Victorian Legislation was before
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Speaker 2: the Parliament mirrors the radical agenda of indigenous separatism, the
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Speaker 2: rewriting of our history and the reparations.
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Speaker 3: That are yet to come.
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Speaker 2: Because Victoria is the template for labor in other states.
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Speaker 2: Because they are, these new mechanisms for influence and propaganda
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Speaker 2: are very likely to be bolted on to existing Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: Assembly legislation that's created a body in South Australia and
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Speaker 2: also alongside the treaty making process that's already underway in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales. Now, almost fifty five percent of Victorians
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Speaker 2: voted against a federal voice. In New South Wales at
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Speaker 2: novote was fifty nine percent. In South Australia it was
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Speaker 2: sixty four percent. Yet the activists who won our country
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Speaker 2: fundamentally restructured to privilege first nations, or they're pushing on
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Speaker 2: as if the voters have never spoken. I mean, listen
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Speaker 2: to this supporting documentation for the Victorian legislation states that
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Speaker 2: I quote the colony of Victoria was established without the consent, negotiation,
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Speaker 2: or recognition of the traditional owners of these lands and waters.
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Speaker 3: It goes on what followed was violence.
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Speaker 2: Destruction, and dispossession, a rush to take land, lives and resources,
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Speaker 2: leaving lasting scars on families, communities, and the country itself.
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Speaker 2: What's more, the legislation declares that quote, dispossession, racism, and
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Speaker 2: discrimination continue to shape the lives of First peoples today.
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Speaker 2: Now this is a cartoon caricature of the history of Victoria.
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Speaker 2: The glosses over consistent official benevolence towards Aboriginal people. It
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Speaker 2: also doesn't do anything to honestly openly discuss the intertribal
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Speaker 2: violence so fighting in deaths between Aboriginal people themselves that
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Speaker 2: characterized presettlement Australia, and the sustained, if not always successful,
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Speaker 2: official efforts to ameliorate the life of Aboriginal people who
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Speaker 2: didn't fully integrate into setless society. Let's be clear what
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Speaker 2: this legislation means and what's now in its way to
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Speaker 2: becoming the official statutory interpretation of the history of Victoria,
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Speaker 2: and by its very implication, the history of Australia itself.
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Speaker 2: That the foundation of Victorian as I say by implication
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Speaker 2: Australia as a whole was based on a fundamental act
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Speaker 2: of injustice that to this day contaminates the state and
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Speaker 2: our country and requires ongoing atonement via special treatment and
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Speaker 2: reparations or compensation for Aboriginal people. This is precisely the
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Speaker 2: view that you all rejected in the Voice referendum. Yet
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Speaker 2: it's about to be adopted anyway, because Victorian labor regards
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Speaker 2: itself as all powerful in the face of an opposition
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Speaker 2: that's too busy in fighting to mount an effective public
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Speaker 2: campaign like the Voice, the Victorian First People's Assembly will
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Speaker 2: become effectively a third changer chamber of Victorian Parliament, elected
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Speaker 2: by Aboriginal people and consisting only of Aboriginal people, with
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Speaker 2: a say over almost everything the Victorian government does, even
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Speaker 2: though only about one percent of Victorians claim Aboriginal ancestry
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Speaker 2: and identify as Indigenous. Under these laws, whenever a new
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Speaker 2: bill will come into the Parliament, it will have to
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Speaker 2: be accompanied by a statement as to whether it's compatible
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Speaker 2: with addressing the unacceptable disadvantage inflicted on First Peoples by
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Speaker 2: the historic wrongs and ongoing injustices of colonialization. Ongoing injustices
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Speaker 2: the First People's Assembly will meet annually with ministers, we're
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Speaker 2: told and deeper mental secretaries to ensure that their work
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Speaker 2: is consistent with advancing the interests of First Peoples. At
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Speaker 2: any time, this Assembly will be able to make representations
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Speaker 2: to ministers and authorities basically on anything of interest to
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal people, and there must be then a response by
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Speaker 2: officials within sixty days. And while the legislation states that
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Speaker 2: the Parliament will remain sovereign, in the event that First
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Speaker 2: Peoples are dissatisfied with the government's response, it will be
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Speaker 2: able to bring actions which may end up in the
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Speaker 2: court over any of the government decisions, not just substantive outcomes.
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Speaker 2: What's intended by this legislation and its coming counterparts in
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Speaker 2: other states is nothing less than the indigenization of all
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Speaker 2: of our governmental processes, even though this is precisely what
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Speaker 2: voters rejected just two years ago, having lost the referendu,
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Speaker 2: and what Labour now has in mind isolution by stealth
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Speaker 2: doing by legislation and executive action what they were unable
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Speaker 2: to achieve by a democratic vote. Our democracy is not
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Speaker 2: worth anything if this legislation's passed. Given the comprehensive rejection
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Speaker 2: on every single score, at every single level in every
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Speaker 2: single state of this agenda two years ago.
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Speaker 3: And as for the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: In Victoria, they need to go further than just opposing
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Speaker 2: this legislation. They must commit to repeal it in full
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Speaker 2: if elected next year. Otherwise the Libs are hardly worthy
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Speaker 2: of voter support. And just on the Liberal Party two,
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Speaker 2: I've and I a very strong speech from one of
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Speaker 2: the Federal Liberal Party's best performers, Shadow Finance Minister, Senator
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Speaker 2: James This was not, as spun by one reporter, an
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Speaker 2: attack on his Conservative colleagues Andrew Hasty and just Enter Prass.
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Speaker 2: Rather it was a wake up call to the party
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Speaker 2: and the federal opposition. Patterson said that the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: has quote a moral duty to prevent the Victorianization of Australia.
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Speaker 2: He would know he is a Liberal based in Victoria
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Speaker 2: and what Liberal could disagree with that given the Party
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Speaker 2: in Victoria has been an almost permanent opposition for twenty
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Speaker 2: five years other than just one term back in government
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Speaker 2: and share Patterson says the economy must be at the
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Speaker 2: heart of the Liberal's pitch to modern Australia, but avoiding.
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Speaker 3: The culture wars.
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Speaker 2: He said, would just mean a peremptive surrender to the left.
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Speaker 2: We all agree, said Patterson, that immigration's too high, and
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Speaker 2: that housing has become chronically unaffordable, and that Labour's approach
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Speaker 2: to emissions has smashed the energy market. We all agree
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Speaker 2: that the economy, he said, is not productive and competitive enough,
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Speaker 2: and that we must do more to defend our country. Now,
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Speaker 2: how to give practical expression to all those fine words
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Speaker 2: and those beliefs they're enunciated by Patterson, Well, that's the challenge.
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Speaker 3: To that end.
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Speaker 2: The party needs to unite around clear policy directions, and
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Speaker 2: I have to say, sooner the better, James Patterson joins me. Later,
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Speaker 2: all right, let's go to Camra now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky New's political reporter Cameron Reddin.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: Senior Liberal James Patterson has implored his colleagues to call
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Speaker 4: time on the Liberal Party's apology tour and start knuckling
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Speaker 4: down on policy.
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Speaker 1: An ongoing mass public therapy session doesn't exactly scream ready.
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Speaker 3: For government is right enough enough? As I said, I
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Speaker 3: welcome the contribution.
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Speaker 4: Veterans, their families and advocates are demanding the Albanese government
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Speaker 4: abandoned plans to restrict the appeals process for decisions about
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Speaker 4: service medals. The new laws would prevent acts of bravery
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Speaker 4: being reviewed for higher honors once twenty years have passed,
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Speaker 4: essentially creating a two decade window for appeal even if
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Speaker 4: new information emerges.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand why anyone would limit the review of
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Speaker 2: acts of gallantry or bravery. This is about looking after
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Speaker 2: the government, looking after DBA.
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Speaker 5: They're actually saying your service is only worth twenty years.
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Speaker 3: Basically, we will remember them.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't come with the use by date, doesn't say we
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Speaker 1: will remember them when it suits us.
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Speaker 6: Cameron Reddin's Sky News.
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Speaker 2: Right, a whole lo of issues there to get into.
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Speaker 2: Now joining me Sky News senior reporter Karlen Marcus and
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Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center Nick cator Nicoll
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Speaker 2: have a word with Senator Patterson in a moment but
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Speaker 2: a fair bit of an editorial license from some about
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Speaker 2: the reporting of his speech today. He did not says
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Speaker 2: he said repeatedly criticize pointedly any of his colleagues. But
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Speaker 2: I think one of the problems here is Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: are talking about themselves because they've shunted everything off for
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Speaker 2: a twelve month review I think.
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Speaker 3: That's an indulgence.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they can be out of the debate
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Speaker 2: on policy until May next year, so surely this has
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Speaker 2: got to bring things to a head.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Look, number one point of course is this was not,
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Speaker 5: as we've reported today, an attack on his colleagues direct
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Speaker 5: or indirect. It was a very common sense, a piece
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Speaker 5: of wisdom that says the party has to unite if
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Speaker 5: it's going to win government, and so they have to
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Speaker 5: bring together the various arms of the parties. I think
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Speaker 5: he underestimated a few things in it, though. I think
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Speaker 5: number one is we have to deal with the faction problem,
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Speaker 5: particularly here in New South Wales, which is really destructive
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Speaker 5: to the party's interests. Right now, we're going through this
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Speaker 5: whole process again where we're unlikely to pre select candidates
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Speaker 5: until far too late, and yet there are very good
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Speaker 5: candidates just raring to go, candidates that run last time
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Speaker 5: and just want to work in their communities for the
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Speaker 5: next two and a half years and when we have
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Speaker 5: to sort that problem. But I also think the depth
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Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party's problems are very deep. Indeed, we
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Speaker 5: have to You cannot get away from this fact that
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Speaker 5: in twenty thirteen to now, we have shed elect voters
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Speaker 5: at every election. The primary vote to the Liberal Party
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Speaker 5: went back in twenty sixteen, went back in twenty nineteen
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Speaker 5: even though we won. It went back in twenty two,
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, and it sure as anything went back
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five. We have lost probably fifteen percent
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Speaker 5: of the primary vote that we need to get back,
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Speaker 5: and most of that has not gone to labor. So
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Speaker 5: we have to start saying where there's that vote? Gon,
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Speaker 5: why are there's so many people that are disaffected with
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Speaker 5: the Liberal Party and don't want to vote for labor either.
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Speaker 5: Those are the voters. It's the reform shaped hole in
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Speaker 5: our electoral system, and the Conservatives, the Liberals must address
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Speaker 5: that if they're going to win.
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Speaker 2: You make a good point, Nick, because the last time
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Speaker 2: we substantially took seats of labor was twenty thirteen. That's
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Speaker 2: the last election you can categorically say that the Liberals won.
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Speaker 2: I mean they survived in twenty sixteen, they lost to
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Speaker 2: fifteen seats, survived by one, So they survived in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 2: They survived and hung on just miraculously in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 2: and then it's obviously been a loss twice since then.
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Speaker 2: That's the problem, isn't it. That's the problem they've got.
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Speaker 2: And if you look at their policies though, in that
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Speaker 2: period where there has been this drift away from a
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Speaker 2: comprehensive win and a drift away from taking seats off labor,
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Speaker 2: the party has moved further and further to the.
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Speaker 5: Left, which is nuts, Peter. It's nuts because it is
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Speaker 5: quite clear that when you're losing fifteen, probably fifteen to
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Speaker 5: twenty percent of your primary vote, not all of that
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Speaker 5: is Intel suburbs. In fact, of small proportion of that
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Speaker 5: is Intel suburbs. We have to get the primary vote
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Speaker 5: back up in the suburbs and in the regions. That's
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Speaker 5: where the party has to focus. And if there is
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Speaker 5: a revival for the Liberal Party, it's going to begin
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Speaker 5: in places like Foxton Park, not Mossman.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the insufferable Gaza Flatilla. We've got some
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Speaker 2: Australians that came back from the Middle East today. They
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Speaker 2: gathered in New South Wales and I tell you what,
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Speaker 2: despite the peace deal, they were still attacking Israel and
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Speaker 2: Australia have a listen.
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Speaker 7: This is the only way to force our governments to
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Speaker 7: do the right thing, to be on the right side
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Speaker 7: of history, to boycott Israel, to sink Israel, to remove
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Speaker 7: the Israel Israeli Embassy out of Australia.
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Speaker 2: I sort of hoped Caroline or the Kafeas would be
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Speaker 2: put back in the drawer in the bedroom and we'd
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Speaker 2: all move on.
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Speaker 3: You know, we've had a peace deal.
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Speaker 2: Even you know, the Middle Eastern Arab states think it's
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Speaker 2: a good idea to have peace.
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Speaker 3: Our activists don't. They're looking for.
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Speaker 2: Something to do every weekend. I think they're going to
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Speaker 2: keep it up. But you know, Israel's done the right thing.
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Speaker 2: There's two thousand of some of the worst criminals released
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Speaker 2: from Israeli jails. We know, thankfully we've got twenty hostages
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Speaker 2: returned to their families. But there's a lot of concern
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Speaker 2: tonight that we may never recover the bodies because we've
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Speaker 2: learned that it's not just Humus that held the hostages.
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Speaker 2: Islamic State was there, the remnants of al Qaeda were there,
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Speaker 2: and many other sort of terrible Islamist organizations. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I just think this is horrific to even contemplate.
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Speaker 8: It is and no how to eat is unsurprising when
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Speaker 8: it comes to some of the most barbaric people, these
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Speaker 8: terrorists in Gaza. We were supposed to get the twenty
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Speaker 8: eight hostage bodies back as part of the first phase
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Speaker 8: of this peace deal that's been orchestrated by the Trump administration,
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Speaker 8: and yet so far only eight bodies have been returned.
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Speaker 8: Only seven of those have been formally identified as hostages.
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Speaker 8: The last time I checked a few minutes ago, and
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Speaker 8: where are the remaining twenty of them? Apparently there's going
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Speaker 8: to be another four handed over today, but it is
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Speaker 8: entirely to be predicted given Hamas's conduct previously. I'm not
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Speaker 8: just in taking these hostages and keeping them for two years.
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Speaker 8: But you'll recall when Hamas was supposed to return the
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Speaker 8: bodies of those redheaded little boys, the Babis brothers, Kafir
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Speaker 8: and Ariel and their mother, Shiri Beabs. We need to
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Speaker 8: keep talking about it, though, don't we, Peter, because we
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Speaker 8: need to remind people.
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Speaker 3: Who these monsters are.
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Speaker 8: They were supposed to return Sheira Beabs's body, and they
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Speaker 8: instead returned the body of a Palestinian woman. It wasn't
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Speaker 8: until Israel did forensic testing that they discovered the deceit,
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Speaker 8: and the body eventually did come back. So these are
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Speaker 8: the kinds of people that are being dealt with here.
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Speaker 8: And Trump has rightly pointed out that if they don't
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Speaker 8: keep their side of the bargain, because before, when this
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Speaker 8: peace deal was signed, they said that they could hand
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Speaker 8: back twenty four to twenty six of these twenty eight
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Speaker 8: bodies at least, and now that they're admitting it's more
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Speaker 8: difficult than that they've lost track of the hostages, all
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Speaker 8: these other terror groups within the Strip that they can't
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Speaker 8: keep hold of. Well, I'm sorry, but that is not
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Speaker 8: good enough, not by a long shot, especially when Israel
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Speaker 8: has just released, as you pointed out, thousands of some
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Speaker 8: of the most dangerous criminals from their prisons back into
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Speaker 8: Gaza to do goodness knows what in the future. And
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Speaker 8: as for the useful idiots like the members of this.
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Speaker 3: Flotilla that support.
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Speaker 8: Really are supporting Hamas here with their publicity stunt, I mean,
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Speaker 8: the kinds of things they were talking about at that
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Speaker 8: press conference today was ridiculous, Peter. There was one woman
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Speaker 8: I heard who was complaining that while she was in
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Speaker 8: detention for a short period of time that the Israelis
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Speaker 8: weren't giving them menstrual pads. I mean, can they think
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Speaker 8: for a second what the Israeli hostages had to put
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Speaker 8: up with for two years under terror tunnels. I think
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Speaker 8: sanitary products would have been the furthest thing from their minds.
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Speaker 8: And they were complaining they had to pay for their
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Speaker 8: own trips back from Israel, as if the taxpayers should
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Speaker 8: find that these people are entitled. And it completed. The
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Speaker 8: mask has slipped. It is so telling that they are
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Speaker 8: not even celebrating peace and the seasfire that they've called for.
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Speaker 8: They just want to demonize and see the destruction of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Voice in Victoria. Well that's what
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Speaker 2: it is. I mean, I know the legislation. Nick calls
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Speaker 2: it a treaty, but it's a treaty. It's truth telling,
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Speaker 2: it's the voice. It's basically what we all rejected, every
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Speaker 2: single state in this country rejected two years ago.
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Speaker 3: But it's back on steroids.
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Speaker 2: What does it say about a democracy that we can
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Speaker 2: all vote against something like this and Labour's hell bent
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Speaker 2: on doing it anyway.
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Speaker 5: It shows a political class that has absolutely contempt for
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Speaker 5: the views of ordinary people. I mean, they got caught
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Speaker 5: out because they had to have a referendum on it,
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Speaker 5: and like so many issues you could name them, you know,
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Speaker 5: the transgender in sports issue, the whole lot. You put
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Speaker 5: them to a referendum, the voice referendum would majority, majority against,
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Speaker 5: would look small. So they got caught out, it got
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Speaker 5: put to the butt and now they're just going to
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Speaker 5: ignore it. And this idea that this is a representative
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Speaker 5: body for Aboriginal people, I mean, give me a break.
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Speaker 5: As you point out, Aboriginal people in Victoria's a very
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Speaker 5: small percentage of the population, and from what I read,
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Speaker 5: only seven percent of them turned out to vote for
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Speaker 5: this body. It's just another elitist body of people looking
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Speaker 5: for jobs and sinecures, and all the money that they're
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Speaker 5: putting into it will do no good whatsoever to Aboriginal
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Speaker 5: people in real conditions of distress. It'll simply go to
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Speaker 5: feed this elite, middle class Aboriginal city class who just
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Speaker 5: make a living out of Aboriginal poverty.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I remind people it's about one percent of
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Speaker 2: Victorians who identify as Aboriginal. So when you talk about
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Speaker 2: the seven percent who voted, it's seven percent. Nick of
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Speaker 2: one percent. I'll over there, thank you.
22:41
Speaker 3: Both.
22:42
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Greg Sheridan for an update on a
22:44
Speaker 2: few things coming out obviously of the huge news this
22:47
Speaker 2: week in the Middle East. But I will give you
22:50
Speaker 2: a warning before I show some footage that these images
22:53
Speaker 2: are distressing.
22:55
Speaker 3: What we will see here, of course.
22:57
Speaker 2: Is Hummus or terrorist operatives to Hummus executing, sumarily executing
23:04
Speaker 2: seven men that they say we're collaborators with Israel. Now
23:09
Speaker 2: this is who runs Gaza and who this is who
23:15
Speaker 2: so many Australians have marched in the street to support.
23:19
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Greg Shudan. Now, of course a foreign
23:22
Speaker 2: editor at the Australian. Greg, are we going to see
23:27
Speaker 2: a Gaza where Hamas or Hamas in another guys is
23:34
Speaker 2: removed from the equation?
23:39
Speaker 9: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you. Look, that's
23:42
Speaker 9: very disturbing footage. I have to tell you, I've all
23:47
Speaker 9: the way along been pretty pessimistic that this deal will
23:50
Speaker 9: ever be implemented. The first phase will be implemented, the
23:55
Speaker 9: cease fire. President Trump the other day said he thought
23:59
Speaker 9: Hamas wasmitted to a long term peace. I wrote, there's
24:03
Speaker 9: absolutely no evidence for that proposition, absolutely no evidence. And
24:07
Speaker 9: as soon as Israel vacated one bit of Gaza. Hamas
24:12
Speaker 9: was out in the street, not assisting it's people getting
24:15
Speaker 9: them food, nor even carrying on the battle against the
24:18
Speaker 9: Israeli army, but executing Palestinians who had been opposed to Hamas.
24:23
Speaker 9: And that's the way Hamas has ruled in Gaza ever
24:25
Speaker 9: since it took power. It executes people for being gay,
24:29
Speaker 9: it executes anyone who opposes it. Now there's no sign
24:34
Speaker 9: in this that Hamas is even going to give us
24:37
Speaker 9: a sort of a respectable interval, a decent interval. I mean,
24:41
Speaker 9: I think the optimistic hope was never really that we're
24:43
Speaker 9: going to get peace in Gaza or anywhere else, but
24:46
Speaker 9: that Hamas might just go quiet for a couple of
24:48
Speaker 9: months and let everything settle down and let some kind
24:52
Speaker 9: of Palestinian administration come into office while becoming a has
24:56
Speaker 9: Bolla like private militia, which would cause trouble again down
25:02
Speaker 9: the track. Now, they may be overplaying their hands here.
25:06
Speaker 9: When Trump says if they don't disarm, we'll disarm them,
25:09
Speaker 9: he is surely bluffing. There's not the slightest chance of
25:11
Speaker 9: American troops will be sent into Gaza on a search
25:14
Speaker 9: and destroy mission. To route out Hummas. I suppose he
25:19
Speaker 9: could encourage the Israelis to go back in again, but
25:23
Speaker 9: what happens then, I mean, we're just back into the
25:25
Speaker 9: terrible mess. So I think Trump still deserves all the credit,
25:29
Speaker 9: and the ceasefire is better than not, but it doesn't
25:33
Speaker 9: what's happened in the last twenty four hours doesn't give
25:36
Speaker 9: me any reason at all to think that this piece
25:39
Speaker 9: deal can go ahead in the way that it's in
25:43
Speaker 9: the way that it's been written and proclaimed.
25:47
Speaker 2: We discussed this the other night, obviously, when we were
25:50
Speaker 2: watching the footage of the first wave of hostages being free.
25:53
Speaker 2: We talked about the fact that Israel was quite successful
25:57
Speaker 2: in removing large sections of the your leadership of Hamas.
26:01
Speaker 2: But we know, of course, at Israel's had to let
26:03
Speaker 2: two thousand Palestinian prisoners, many of them the worst of
26:07
Speaker 2: the worst, many of them convicted of terrorism out as
26:11
Speaker 2: part of this deal. So you know, there's every likelihood
26:13
Speaker 2: that that leadership group of from US have just down beeen,
26:18
Speaker 2: reinvigorated and refreshed from these prisoner ranks. And we've also
26:23
Speaker 2: got concern that around one hundred and thirty five of
26:25
Speaker 2: these individuals will head overseas. There's been caused by the
26:29
Speaker 2: opposition to have the government rule out that they might
26:33
Speaker 2: return to a stretsor not return, but they might end
26:36
Speaker 2: up in Australia. But today there's been silence from the
26:40
Speaker 2: Minister Tony Burke. I mean, are you confident that we
26:44
Speaker 2: will be able to keep out at terrorists, either from
26:48
Speaker 2: the prisons or people that are still to come here
26:51
Speaker 2: from Gaza out of this country.
26:55
Speaker 7: No.
26:56
Speaker 9: I mean it's absurd really that we're taking people from
26:58
Speaker 9: Gaza when surrounding Arab countries are not. The government is
27:04
Speaker 9: cowardly and treacherous and fatuous on the Australian government. They
27:08
Speaker 9: should certainly assure people that no one who has been
27:11
Speaker 9: in an Israeli jail on in terror related offense or
27:16
Speaker 9: any offense should be coming to Australia under any circumstances,
27:20
Speaker 9: on any visa, temporary or long term, you know whatsoever.
27:27
Speaker 9: I just think. But the other thing, Peter, is, you
27:30
Speaker 9: don't really destroy a terrorist movement by killing its leaders.
27:34
Speaker 9: We saw that with ol Caieda and Isis. That's not
27:36
Speaker 9: to say you shouldn't kill its leaders, their enemies. You're
27:39
Speaker 9: at war with them, go ahead and do that. But
27:41
Speaker 9: it's unrealistic to expect that you destroy Hummas by wiping
27:45
Speaker 9: out its leadership. Karter not only that what Hummas is
27:48
Speaker 9: now doing doesn't require very sophisticated leadership. It just requires
27:52
Speaker 9: brutal men with guns who are willing to kill people,
27:55
Speaker 9: murder them, and execute them when they're kneeling in front. Well,
27:59
Speaker 9: there are a lot of people in Gaza like that.
28:01
Speaker 9: A lot of people in Gaza like that. And even
28:04
Speaker 9: if somehow or other Hammas one day says, okay, we're
28:08
Speaker 9: going out of business, Well the next day, what is
28:10
Speaker 9: it Palestinian Islamic jihad or the son of Hammas or
28:13
Speaker 9: Hammas mark to I mean, this territory started out anti
28:19
Speaker 9: Semitic problem. Hammas is an anti Semitic movement, and they've
28:23
Speaker 9: been indoctrinated to hate Jews.
28:25
Speaker 3: Now it's going to.
28:25
Speaker 9: Be a long long time. That's why I talk of
28:27
Speaker 9: a two state solution in the near future is so fatuous.
28:31
Speaker 9: It's going to take decades of normalization before you before
28:35
Speaker 9: you can get a normal polity. And by the way,
28:38
Speaker 9: I think it'll be madness to have an election anywhere
28:41
Speaker 9: in the West Bank or Gaza. I mean, elections don't
28:43
Speaker 9: work in the Middle East, and you guarantee Hummas or
28:46
Speaker 9: something like it comes back if you have an election
28:49
Speaker 9: there for local leadership.
28:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:53
Speaker 2: And I will say Greg and I've said this, I've
28:55
Speaker 2: written this. The best way I think the only way
28:58
Speaker 2: to turn around radical Islamis is for good and decent
29:01
Speaker 2: and modern Muslims to say, not in my name, not
29:05
Speaker 2: in the name of our faith. We are leaving this
29:08
Speaker 2: behind us. This is medieval, This belongs in the dark ages.
29:12
Speaker 2: This is not how we are going to exist in
29:15
Speaker 2: the future. And unless it changes within Muslim communities and
29:20
Speaker 2: Muslim countries, there is not going to be changed anywhere
29:23
Speaker 2: else in the world. I want to bring you home
29:26
Speaker 2: to some domestic issues. In one issue that I think
29:29
Speaker 2: is very relevant to some of the beautiful books you've
29:32
Speaker 2: written about faith. In Victoria, the government's just putting in
29:36
Speaker 2: legislation this week quite dramatically to expand access to euthanasia.
29:42
Speaker 2: And why it's interesting and why it relates to faith
29:45
Speaker 2: is it seeks to strip away the religious conscience of
29:50
Speaker 2: medical practitioners who right now in the current law do
29:54
Speaker 2: not have to participate in euthanasia if it is against
29:58
Speaker 2: their beliefs. That will go they'll be forced to participate
30:03
Speaker 2: in euthanasia. And there's a second element. Up until now,
30:07
Speaker 2: under the current law, if you have a terminal illness
30:10
Speaker 2: and you want to end your life, you have to
30:13
Speaker 2: raise euthanasia with your doctor. Well, under these proposed changes
30:18
Speaker 2: by Victorian Labor, your health practitioner can suggest it to you.
30:24
Speaker 2: So you are terminal, you are at your most vulnerable,
30:28
Speaker 2: and someone you trust, your medical advisor, your doctor, your nurse,
30:33
Speaker 2: your pallative care specialist, they will be allowed to say
30:36
Speaker 2: to you, why don't just end your life? Make it
30:40
Speaker 2: easier on your friends and family. What do you think
30:43
Speaker 2: about these changes?
30:46
Speaker 9: Well, Peter, these are very, very profound and traveling issues.
30:50
Speaker 9: It is relevant to that recent book we talked about,
30:53
Speaker 9: of Mind, how Christians can succeed today reclaiming the genius
30:56
Speaker 9: of the early Church because the early Christians stood again
31:00
Speaker 9: all these kind of practices in ancient Roman, ancient Greece,
31:03
Speaker 9: killing old people, killing infant, unwonted infant babies, girl babies
31:09
Speaker 9: in particular, but also handicapped children. We're seeing a massive
31:14
Speaker 9: movement across the West to marginalize human nature, to trivialize
31:19
Speaker 9: human nature, and what the Victorian legislation is doing is
31:24
Speaker 9: trivializing the human condition by saying, you know, why don't
31:29
Speaker 9: you just get out of the way. If you're an
31:31
Speaker 9: old person and you're you know, you've got dependents who
31:34
Speaker 9: need your resources, and you're feeling a bit unwell, why
31:37
Speaker 9: don't you just get out of the way. Now, of
31:39
Speaker 9: course they're saying you still have to be an extremist,
31:42
Speaker 9: But everywhere in the world where we've seen EUTHANASA legislation introduced,
31:47
Speaker 9: there has been a progressive weakening of the safeguards. We know,
31:51
Speaker 9: older people who come from a generation where duty was
31:54
Speaker 9: much more emphasized than narcissism as it is today already
32:01
Speaker 9: feel guilty about the amount of care and attention that
32:05
Speaker 9: they need from their families. And so if this was
32:10
Speaker 9: meant to be a procedure inextremists for people in terrible
32:13
Speaker 9: distress who cry out to their medical practitioners and family
32:17
Speaker 9: and say, I can't bear this suffering anymore, please release
32:20
Speaker 9: me from it. Instead, it now becomes a menu of
32:24
Speaker 9: options you have, Okay, here's palliative care, here's pain control,
32:28
Speaker 9: and so forth. And the other thing is human psychology,
32:32
Speaker 9: is that you need help over the moments of peauk distress.
32:36
Speaker 9: So if a person is having a bit of distress
32:39
Speaker 9: and you say, well, you know you can end this
32:40
Speaker 9: all by killing yourself and we'll help you. I mean,
32:43
Speaker 9: this is just this is absolutely appalling. And then the
32:46
Speaker 9: other side of it, removing the right of people with conscience,
32:52
Speaker 9: people with issues of conscience, doctors, nurses and other practitioners
32:56
Speaker 9: to refuse to participate in these kill teams is out
33:00
Speaker 9: and I think the Christian churches should hold big demonstrations
33:05
Speaker 9: at their hospitals, should go down to the front of
33:08
Speaker 9: the Parliament. I'd like to see the Catholic and Anglican
33:10
Speaker 9: archbishops leading demonstrations on the steps of Parliament. They are
33:14
Speaker 9: being forced to kill people needlessly who shouldn't die, and
33:20
Speaker 9: inevitably that will put pressure on innocent people who don't
33:24
Speaker 9: want to die, and they ought to take a very
33:27
Speaker 9: strong stand on this publicly.
33:32
Speaker 2: All right, I'll leave it there, Greg, but of course
33:33
Speaker 2: if people are watching home you feel strongly about this,
33:36
Speaker 2: please call your Victorian politician and tell them what you think.
33:41
Speaker 2: Well over there, as I said, Greg, thanks for joining
33:43
Speaker 2: me tonight. GRD after break, Senator James Patterson. They push
33:53
Speaker 2: from the Opposition to have Tony Burke and the Prime
33:57
Speaker 2: Minister rule out returning any Gaza prisoners people released from
34:01
Speaker 2: Miss Raleigh Giles to Australia, silence from Labor that the
34:04
Speaker 2: Opposition is pushing heart. We'll get to that at a moment,
34:07
Speaker 2: but first, he was the Define campaign spokesman for what
34:09
Speaker 2: would prove to be the coalition's unsuccessful election bid and
34:14
Speaker 2: how as the party faces up to the enormity of
34:17
Speaker 2: the result and sets about the task of reviewing and rebuilding.
34:21
Speaker 2: James Patterson spoken out about the ongoing naval gazing introspection
34:26
Speaker 2: that he says has obsessed some in the party since
34:29
Speaker 2: the devastating may result. In a keynoted speech the Tom
34:32
Speaker 2: Hughes Aration last night, Senator Patterson said the Pity Party
34:37
Speaker 2: must end and he urged his party to refocus. James
34:41
Speaker 2: Patterson joins me, Now, I'm delighted that we could talk
34:44
Speaker 2: because I think there's one thing between between a thoughtful.
34:49
Speaker 3: Speech, which I read the speech. He gave a very thoughtful.
34:52
Speaker 2: Speech last night, and I guess how some of that
34:55
Speaker 2: has been reported this morning. Let's start with aligh Or
35:00
Speaker 2: claims that you single out colleagues for criticism and the
35:05
Speaker 2: names mentioned are Andrew Hasty and just Enterprise.
35:08
Speaker 3: Were they in your sights?
35:10
Speaker 1: No, not at all, Peter. As you know, they are
35:12
Speaker 1: two of my closest friends in the Federal Parliament. I've
35:15
Speaker 1: been trying to recruit you Center to the Federal Parliament
35:18
Speaker 1: and to the Liberal Party for the best part of
35:19
Speaker 1: a decade, and I'm delighted that she is now a
35:21
Speaker 1: Liberal senator. And Andrew and I have been in the
35:24
Speaker 1: political trenches together on big questions facing our country for
35:28
Speaker 1: almost a decade as well. I've always had his back,
35:31
Speaker 1: he has always had my back and that has not changed,
35:34
Speaker 1: and there is no issue between us.
35:37
Speaker 2: I read those reports then I said as I just said.
35:40
Speaker 2: Then I read your speech, and in your speech you
35:43
Speaker 2: make the point we cannot walk away from the culture war.
35:47
Speaker 2: There is some sense, as the factions on the left
35:49
Speaker 2: and the factions on the right win, the party wore
35:51
Speaker 2: it out at the moment that we're.
35:53
Speaker 3: All of one thing or all of the other.
35:55
Speaker 2: You know, we've got to basically be the Teals, if
35:58
Speaker 2: you believe some moderates, the Teals just with better economic story,
36:01
Speaker 2: or we've got to be right out there on the
36:03
Speaker 2: fringe of Donald Trump or Nigel far Art. Now you
36:07
Speaker 2: reject populism, but you say there are things that are
36:12
Speaker 2: really important about our culture that we must fight for.
36:16
Speaker 7: Exactly right.
36:17
Speaker 1: Culture and identity and sovereignty are the big questions that
36:20
Speaker 1: are being decided in the twenty first century for Australia,
36:23
Speaker 1: things like do we have rallying national symbols that are
36:26
Speaker 1: unifying like the flag or the anthem or the constitution
36:29
Speaker 1: or Australia Day or a ANZAC tradition. And if the
36:32
Speaker 1: Liberal Party won't defend those, then who will? And what
36:34
Speaker 1: would happen to our country if we did so? We
36:36
Speaker 1: cannot surrender in those culture wars. Equally, though, I am
36:39
Speaker 1: concerned about economic populism. I understand why a lot of
36:42
Speaker 1: people are sympathetic to Nigel Farage on immigration or freedom
36:46
Speaker 1: of speech or the European Union. But his economic policy
36:49
Speaker 1: includes a big increase in government spending, principally on welfare.
36:53
Speaker 1: He proposes to nationalize private companies in the steelmaking industry
36:58
Speaker 1: and utilities. The Party doesn't stand for those things. We
37:01
Speaker 1: stand for smaller governments and a smaller government and free markets,
37:04
Speaker 1: and I think we must hold on to that tradition.
37:07
Speaker 2: Isn't part of the problem that you're going to spend
37:11
Speaker 2: twelve months right up until May next year asking yourself
37:16
Speaker 2: what your policy should be and what you should do
37:18
Speaker 2: before we're going to see anything, Meaning you've got nothing
37:22
Speaker 2: to talk about other than yourselves.
37:23
Speaker 3: Isn't that a problem?
37:24
Speaker 1: It's very clear to me from our supporters particularly, but
37:27
Speaker 1: not only that there is a hunger to hear more
37:29
Speaker 1: from us about what we want to do, about what
37:32
Speaker 1: the direction is that we're going to take, and yes,
37:34
Speaker 1: the policies that we're going to get there with. And
37:36
Speaker 1: so I think there is a demand on the whole
37:38
Speaker 1: Parliamentary party to fill that void, to fill that vacuum
37:41
Speaker 1: and provide that And you will see that over the
37:43
Speaker 1: coming weeks and months, from the leader down, we'll be
37:46
Speaker 1: putting more meat on the bones that are consistent with
37:49
Speaker 1: liberal values and those time honor traditions.
37:52
Speaker 2: I have to be honest, you know, I've been there
37:53
Speaker 2: in opposition. You've got nothing else to do but to
37:55
Speaker 2: get out of opposition. So the idea that you need
37:58
Speaker 2: twelve months, you're not running the country, You're not doing
38:01
Speaker 2: anything else. This idea that you need twelve months to
38:05
Speaker 2: work out what you think on something like taxation is crazy,
38:08
Speaker 2: on immigration is crazy.
38:10
Speaker 1: I don't think it should take it that long, and
38:12
Speaker 1: I don't think it will take that long, and I
38:13
Speaker 1: think we'll have to do more before then and watch
38:16
Speaker 1: this space over the coming weeks and months. And one
38:19
Speaker 1: of the things I said last night that's resonated the
38:21
Speaker 1: most with people today is we must prevent the Victorianization
38:24
Speaker 1: of Australia. Everyone knows the horror show that is this state,
38:27
Speaker 1: our home state, and everyone knows that's partly the responsibility
38:31
Speaker 1: of the Liberal Party, and we can't allow the same
38:33
Speaker 1: to happen in our country. And Delbaneasy and Daniel Andrews
38:36
Speaker 1: are like this. They are very close. They've been comparing notes.
38:39
Speaker 1: Let's not let what has happened here happen in camera.
38:42
Speaker 2: Well, they're twelve months out from an election, as you know,
38:45
Speaker 2: and we've not seen any substantive policies other than good
38:47
Speaker 2: policies on crime, but economic policies, we still haven't seen
38:50
Speaker 2: them from the Victorian Liberals. So I underscore that point.
38:54
Speaker 2: Something like zero. I think there is a trap to
38:56
Speaker 2: see that as purely an environmental issue or some an
39:01
Speaker 2: ideological calling card, because energy security underpins our national security,
39:07
Speaker 2: our economic security. If the LIPS can rule out the
39:11
Speaker 2: targets set by Chris Bowen for twenty thirty five, then
39:15
Speaker 2: surely you can wrap your head around a position in
39:18
Speaker 2: relation to the targets for twenty forty and twenty fifty.
39:21
Speaker 1: I'm proud of the way in which we've come out
39:23
Speaker 1: so quickly and so clearly on the absurd short term
39:27
Speaker 1: targets that Chris Bowen and the government has proposed. They
39:29
Speaker 1: won't achieve them, and if they could achieve them, imagine
39:32
Speaker 1: the damage they would do to the economy in order
39:34
Speaker 1: to achieve them. You're right, this is an economic issue principally.
39:37
Speaker 1: Of course, the environmental aspects are important, but I care
39:40
Speaker 1: about having affordable energy so that our country can compete
39:42
Speaker 1: on the international stage. I don't want to have to
39:44
Speaker 1: bail out smelters every second week in this country because
39:47
Speaker 1: their energy has become so unaffordable that they can't compete international.
39:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did the numbers that report to data say
39:52
Speaker 2: it's one million dollars per blue collar job right at the.
39:55
Speaker 3: Moment, Just quickly home affairs. I know it's your old.
39:57
Speaker 2: Portfolio, but should we be concerned that when pushed, Tony
40:03
Speaker 2: Burke is not giving a guarantee that any of these
40:06
Speaker 2: released Palestinian prisoners will end up in Australia.
40:09
Speaker 1: Absolutely we should because this is someone who we cannot
40:12
Speaker 1: trust when it comes to these issues. He's been slippery
40:14
Speaker 1: and fishy every step of the way. I knew my
40:17
Speaker 1: colleague John o'dunham would do a good job in this
40:19
Speaker 1: portfolio and is off to a very strong start by
40:22
Speaker 1: making a very reasonable demand of the government that Tony
40:25
Speaker 1: Burke should be able to say yes to inner heartbeat.
40:27
Speaker 1: Will any of the prisoners captured who are clearly fighting
40:30
Speaker 1: for Hermas or associated with Jimas be allowed to enter
40:33
Speaker 1: our country? Any homo fit Affairs Minister worth their salt
40:36
Speaker 1: should not have it. Think about that for a second.
40:39
Speaker 2: All right, Well that the sciences I say speaks volumes.
40:41
Speaker 2: Thank you, James Patterson, Thanks all right? After break, Victoria
40:44
Speaker 2: has ruled out banning men from women's prisons, following the
40:47
Speaker 2: leader of the NT check Minister are the States, though
40:50
Speaker 2: there's been reaction right around a country. Well there you go,
40:58
Speaker 2: James Patterson, You're heard it from the horse's mouth. Let's
41:02
Speaker 2: bring in my panel for some other issues. We want
41:03
Speaker 2: to get across them.
41:04
Speaker 6: Now.
41:05
Speaker 2: Jamie rogers Sky, his contributor and a former Liberal candidate,
41:09
Speaker 2: we heard those comments from Nikata. I hope she goes
41:11
Speaker 2: around again. And the Liberal member for Barker, Tony Passon,
41:14
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
41:16
Speaker 3: I just asked this of James Pattiston.
41:18
Speaker 2: Tony, but I tell you what Australians should be able
41:21
Speaker 2: to expect, Tony Burke, not just to rule out these
41:24
Speaker 2: Palestinian prisoners ending up in Australia, but also you asked
41:28
Speaker 2: a question, if there's peace in Gaza, why on earth
41:32
Speaker 2: are we taking other seven hundred people in the next
41:34
Speaker 2: couple of weeks and the three and a half thousand
41:36
Speaker 2: that are already here. Isn't it time they went home?
41:41
Speaker 6: Well, that all stands to raison Peter. Time for the
41:46
Speaker 6: Palestinians to go back to Palestine. Now that presumably the
41:51
Speaker 6: peace deal was struck. But given the Middle Eastern peace Deal,
41:54
Speaker 6: we know that there are at least one hundred and
41:56
Speaker 6: fifty four terrorists who have been released from prison on
42:00
Speaker 6: their way right now to third party countries. The very
42:03
Speaker 6: least we can ask from our for Tony Burke is
42:09
Speaker 6: an assurance that none of those terrorists released under this
42:13
Speaker 6: piece deal will be taking up residents in Australia. But
42:16
Speaker 6: given how slippery he's been around the isis Brad Saga,
42:20
Speaker 6: I don't expect we'll get that kind of transparency, which
42:23
Speaker 6: is a crying shame.
42:27
Speaker 2: I got to say again, I'm fangirling Leah Finniciaro here Jamie.
42:31
Speaker 2: But yesterday, when asked about biological men in women's prison
42:36
Speaker 2: in beautiful territory speak, she said, if you're a bloke,
42:40
Speaker 2: you're never going to be in a woman's prison in
42:41
Speaker 2: this place, and if you don't like it, move out
42:44
Speaker 2: of the territory. That was put to a whole lot
42:47
Speaker 2: of other ministers and chief ministers around the country. This
42:51
Speaker 2: though from the Victorian Premier Levy.
42:55
Speaker 10: The Northern Territory has made an announce that they won't
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Speaker 10: have trans women in female We looked in.
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Speaker 9: That tithing so I've got no announcements to make on
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Speaker 9: that matter today.
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Speaker 2: She was terrified that that even might turn up in
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Speaker 2: the headlines tonight with the media.
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Speaker 3: She did better that question.
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Speaker 2: It was pushed pretty hard in New South Wales as well.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Jamie, this is not rocket science. We can
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Speaker 2: be fair, but we can also protect women.
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Speaker 10: No, we can, can't we, Peter, are we surprised to
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Speaker 10: see a reaction like that from just into allan So
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Speaker 10: Women's Forum Australia wrote a letter to all of the
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Speaker 10: leaders within each state and territory outlining why biological men
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Speaker 10: should not be housed in female prisons, and thankfully in
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Speaker 10: the Northern Territory they listened and have put in that law.
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Speaker 10: A lot of this has really stemmed from people like yourself, Peter,
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Speaker 10: that have been very vocal about what's going on in Victoria.
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Speaker 10: After that father who abused his daughter has then identified
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Speaker 10: as female as now in a woman's prison. But other
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Speaker 10: revelations have come out where a female prisoner who was
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Speaker 10: in South Australia has come out and said that she
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Speaker 10: forced to share a cell with a transgender inmate and
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Speaker 10: was then abused. Now this transgender inmate, Peter, had originally
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Speaker 10: been housed on his own because he had had domestic
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Speaker 10: violence and was violent against women. So then he got
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Speaker 10: put in with this woman and ended up going on
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Speaker 10: and abusing her. But it's stories like this it just
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Speaker 10: blows my mind, Peter, that we are still having to
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Speaker 10: even have this discussion about biological men going into a
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Speaker 10: female prison. Enough's enough, and it's good that people like
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Speaker 10: yourself are still out there and so vocal about it,
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Speaker 10: because if you're not, this is just going to continue
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Speaker 10: to be swept under the carpet, and it's going to
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Speaker 10: continue on men and are in their prison, women in
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Speaker 10: their prison, full stop.
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Speaker 3: I agreed, agreed in all these people.
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Speaker 2: I heard someone earlier on Sky saying, Oh, people are
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Speaker 2: sick of this the border of discussing this issue. Get
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Speaker 2: out in the real world and see what they are.
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Speaker 2: Not bored you've walked to the front bar of a
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Speaker 2: part male and female or to you absolutely what they
44:54
Speaker 2: think in syllables shorter than about four words.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the e. These sales the whole issue.
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Speaker 2: This is obviously a key to the twenty thirty five
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Speaker 2: and the twenty thirty targets Tiny Passen and new data
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Speaker 2: out today that says the sales of evs are plummeting
45:11
Speaker 2: because the resale value of an EV compared to a
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Speaker 2: petrol or hybrid car is the big decided and this
45:18
Speaker 2: is why people do not want to buy them.
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Speaker 6: Well, we're not surprised, are we, Peter. I mean, the
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Speaker 6: batteries in these vehicles have limited lifespans, so people quickly
45:30
Speaker 6: realize that the disproportionate capital that's required to replace the
45:34
Speaker 6: battery means that they're not retaining their value on the
45:38
Speaker 6: second hand dealers market. And given the government, in order
45:42
Speaker 6: to meet it's twenty thirty five target, will need to
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Speaker 6: see fifty percent of vehicles over the next decade sold
45:48
Speaker 6: to evs, that it's just not going to happen. People
45:50
Speaker 6: will continue to vote with their feet for internal combustion engines,
45:55
Speaker 6: and so I'm starting to think of these vehicles as
45:57
Speaker 6: two things. Road safety experts are very concern particularly about
46:01
Speaker 6: the vehicles coming out of China, in terms of how
46:03
Speaker 6: safe they are. So in one sense, they're a death trap,
46:06
Speaker 6: but they're now becoming debt traps as well, because people
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Speaker 6: buy these vehicles in good faith, they need to realize
46:13
Speaker 6: when they go to turn them over that they're not
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Speaker 6: worth the money. Perhaps they still owe on the vehicle.
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Speaker 6: So they're both debt trap but now a death trap
46:22
Speaker 6: as well.
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Speaker 2: Let's just quickly go to Victoria again. I know I
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Speaker 2: live in Victoria. I'd love to talk about other issues
46:31
Speaker 2: right around the country, but every single day there seems
46:34
Speaker 2: to be a crime crisis or some other terrible news
46:37
Speaker 2: that I feel I've got to cover, particularly as a
46:39
Speaker 2: warning to everybody else in other states, be careful because
46:42
Speaker 2: what happens in Victoria generally ends up in other labor states.
46:47
Speaker 2: But we know how tough crime is in this state.
46:49
Speaker 2: We know how many police Jamie are leaving the state,
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Speaker 2: how many vacancies they are in Victoria. A lot of
46:56
Speaker 2: sign on to work in Queensland on the back of
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Speaker 2: the recruit.
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Speaker 3: And drive there.
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Speaker 2: But we learned today there's been a series of court
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Speaker 2: rulings that have found that the state of Victoria owes
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Speaker 2: no duty of care to police injured on the job
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Speaker 2: or for any trauma they may suffer, meaning they've got
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Speaker 2: no way to get any financial compensation. Now, this is
47:19
Speaker 2: unlike other states. Is it anyone that people say Victoria
47:24
Speaker 2: is broken? Where's the prepim here?
47:27
Speaker 3: Exactly?
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Speaker 10: It's a complete opposite to what police officers get in
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Speaker 10: New South Wales. And the court had said because police
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Speaker 10: officers are sworn in, they're not classified as employee, so
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Speaker 10: there's no duty of care that's required, which is an
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Speaker 10: absolute disgrace.
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Speaker 3: Peter.
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Speaker 10: When you think about what the police go through when
47:42
Speaker 10: they put their lives on the line to ensure the
47:44
Speaker 10: safety of the public. You would expect that they can
47:47
Speaker 10: have any sort of mental health that they might need
47:49
Speaker 10: off the back of the things.
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Speaker 3: That they see.
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Speaker 10: But this is a state that is seeing record crime
47:54
Speaker 10: and the government there has acted the police budget by
47:57
Speaker 10: fifty million. Police stations are shutting down, and you mentioned
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Speaker 10: there's so many vacancies of police officers. And at a
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Speaker 10: time where they've turned to the government to say that
48:05
Speaker 10: they also will need some psychological help, their backs are turned.
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Speaker 10: So I cannot see why they'll be fleeing to go
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Speaker 10: to other states like Queensland or New South Wales where
48:15
Speaker 10: they'll get better conditions. It's just really disappointing, Peter, and.
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Speaker 2: It makes the Prime Minister, the Premier's words and her
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Speaker 2: tears of puck upon your after the death of those
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Speaker 2: police recently seem pretty hollow. I'll over there, thank you both,
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Speaker 2: all right, quick break after the break, kel Ridgards without
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Speaker 2: feederald let's bring him in, kel Richards. Hey, yah, very
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Speaker 2: timely words today from our viewers. One wants to know
48:47
Speaker 2: the word populism and of course it came up last
48:50
Speaker 2: night in that speech from James Patterson take it away.
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Speaker 11: James Patterson's speech was brilliant and I think I agree
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Speaker 11: with just about everything he said, but he missed used
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Speaker 11: one word. Now, I'm not being fussy because this segment
49:04
Speaker 11: is called words matter, and words do matter. The word
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Speaker 11: populism must not be used as a snyle word. Let
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Speaker 11: me read you what the Oxford English Dictionary gives is
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Speaker 11: the definition of populism. Populism means seeking to represent the
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Speaker 11: interests of ordinary people. In other words, it's the same
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Speaker 11: as democracy. Democracy comes from the Greek word for people demos,
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Speaker 11: and populism from the Latin word for people. It's just
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Speaker 11: about what the people want. So if we want to
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Speaker 11: attack your particular position, don't call it populism. It is
49:36
Speaker 11: the wrong label.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to.
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Speaker 2: Come back to you next week because we need to
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Speaker 2: go back over the old ground liberalism, conservatism, socialism. I
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Speaker 2: think all of these that have become a bit diluted.
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Speaker 2: The understanding has become diluted in recent confused.
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Speaker 11: I've become confused, straightener.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll jump into that next week. Thank you,
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Speaker 2: cal That's it for me. Up next, the Bolt Report