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106. Mary Toft - The Woman Who Gave Birth to Rabbits · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're trying to tell me that really to Europe. Sure,
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Speaker 1: But I know what you're thinking. You're thinking quite your
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Speaker 1: chipper Jabber and Katie in fact me, in fact you
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Speaker 1: I will. But first we've got to get our source on.
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Speaker 1: Our sources are the woman who gave birth to Rabbits
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Speaker 1: by Lucas Riley. What Mary Toft felt, Women's voices, pain
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Speaker 1: Power in the Body by Karen Harvey. Imagining Monsters, Miscreations
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Speaker 1: of the Self in the eighteenth century England by Dennis Todd,
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Speaker 1: An Extraordinary Delivery of Rabbits by Edward White, The Confessions
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Speaker 1: of a Rabbit Woman and other recently digitized tale from
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Speaker 1: the austri Library by Mary Yarl remarks on a short
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Speaker 1: narrative of an Extraordinary Delivery of Rabbits by Thomas Braithwaite.
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Speaker 1: Deception and Detection in eighteenth century Britain by Jack Lynch.
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Speaker 1: Birthing the Nation, Sex Science and the Conception of eighteenth
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Speaker 1: century Britons by Lease of Foreman Cody, The Anatomus discected
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Speaker 1: or the Man Midwife Finally brought to Bed by Lemuel Gullibar.
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Speaker 1: Some Observations concerning the Women of Godlymen and Surrey by
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Speaker 1: Sirius Alers. And of course our best is our Favorites
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Speaker 1: Biography dot com and History dot com iOS Eating comfortably good,
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Speaker 1: Then let's begin. The story of Marytoft is often relegated
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Speaker 1: to like the Footnotes and the Annals of Weird History.
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Speaker 1: It is this corn. It is this hoax. It is
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Speaker 1: bizarre and grotesque. It is painted in a way that
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Speaker 1: puts the blame on Mary Toft and things are about
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Speaker 1: to get dark, lads. It's gonna be ghastly, to say
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Speaker 1: the least. And I'm gonna get you a trigger warning
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Speaker 1: now because we're going to be discussing abuse, assault, sexual, emotional, physical,
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Speaker 1: all of it. We're going to talk about miscarriage. We're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about a lot of stuff, and it
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Speaker 1: is going to be incredibly unpleasant. And if you thought
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Speaker 1: it was like oh ho ho hits the women who
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Speaker 1: gave birth to rabbits, No. And also it's going to
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Speaker 1: get iky very fast, and it's going to continue being ikey,
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Speaker 1: and if you have a gentle stomach, you will probably
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Speaker 1: be picking by the end or crying. You may cry.
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Speaker 1: But as many of you know, if you've been listening
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Speaker 1: to me for a long time, I have a vested
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Speaker 1: interest in this because my entire area of expertise, or
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Speaker 1: my main area of expertise I'm starting to get good
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Speaker 1: at like interesting deaths, but my main area of expertise
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Speaker 1: is the rise of sensationalism and the use of prinice propaganda.
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Speaker 1: In the late modern period, and Mary Toft is a
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Speaker 1: victim of propaganda. I mean, she's a victim of a
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Speaker 1: fuck ton of things, but propaganda is one of them.
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Speaker 1: And I'm here to set the record straight. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I might just be one voice, but you're listening to me.
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Speaker 1: So that's one more than yesterday, I guess. Yeah. Cool.
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Speaker 1: So our story starts in the seventeen hundreds, like the
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Speaker 1: early seventeen hundred, seventeen oh three to be exact, when
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Speaker 1: Mary Toft is born, as many people are, so how
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Speaker 1: do they start their life? Mary is born Mary Danire
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Speaker 1: in Godalming in Surrey, England, in seventeen o three. She
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Speaker 1: is the first of many children to a poor, poor family.
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Speaker 1: They're peasants, they're dai laborers, they are their working class,
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Speaker 1: could be an easy way of putting it. And so
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Speaker 1: life isn't exactly easy in Surrey, really an easy life
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Speaker 1: being a peasant. Don't know if you know that, but
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Speaker 1: it's it's not exactly a cake walk. But Mary, she
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Speaker 1: grows up in sorry, and we don't really know much
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Speaker 1: about her life. We know that she probably helped whatever
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Speaker 1: her parents were doing, if they were working in a field.
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Speaker 1: She was probably beside them. If they were having chickens,
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Speaker 1: she would collect their eggs. You know, you lived and
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Speaker 1: you worked, and it was typical and normal schooling wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have been a thing, especially for her because Mary's a girl.
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Speaker 1: So being a girl means that she wouldn't have had
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Speaker 1: a formal education. And even if there was a school
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Speaker 1: for girls, her education would have ended fairly quickly because
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Speaker 1: only boys really went on to anything longer. And considering
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Speaker 1: the social class that she was in. No Mary, she
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Speaker 1: is illiterate. She never learns to read or write because
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Speaker 1: it's not necessary for her position. This much we know.
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Speaker 1: But she grows up esh and when she's seventeen she
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Speaker 1: meets Joshua Toft and they get married. Now he's eighteen
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Speaker 1: and she's seventeen. This could be weird, but they get married.
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Speaker 1: And it's odd for the time because people think, oh,
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Speaker 1: people get married at fourteen and twelve and whatever. The
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Speaker 1: royals were betrothed like it would be a political alliance.
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Speaker 1: It was quite rare for someone that young to get married,
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Speaker 1: like older men would marry younger women because of like
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Speaker 1: fertility and things like that would be the purpose to
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Speaker 1: produce more airs. But things like that a young married this,
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Speaker 1: it's not common. It's it's a bit wild, to be honest. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you're getting married at this age, it means one
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Speaker 1: of two things. You're either madly head over heels in
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Speaker 1: love or it's a shotgun wedding. It could be either
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Speaker 1: of those things. We don't know. We're not sure. All
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Speaker 1: we know is it happened, and they get married. Now, Joshua,
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Speaker 1: he works in a textile mill. Now, his family, their status,
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Speaker 1: their class status is a way bit higher up than Mary's.
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Speaker 1: So they would have been clothiers many months ago. So
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Speaker 1: way back they would have been clothiers, they would have
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Speaker 1: had a higher rank in society, they would have had
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Speaker 1: more steam. But over the years, the money and whatnot,
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Speaker 1: it it dwindles away. And even though they still have
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Speaker 1: this sort of status, like their status is still higher
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Speaker 1: than what Mary's would have been in her family, but
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Speaker 1: they don't really have the financials to back up. So
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Speaker 1: he's he's from a slightly higher class ish like a class,
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Speaker 1: like half a class up, like a we step up,
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Speaker 1: and not a fuld class like they're they're not even
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Speaker 1: middle class, right, they're not that far like they're they're
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Speaker 1: working class, but just like a wee bit above, you know,
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Speaker 1: like we stole up and that's them, and so they
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Speaker 1: probably still have some feelings about that and a sense
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Speaker 1: of self importance that maybe other families wouldn't. Now Joshua
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Speaker 1: is number six of twelve, like he's got siblings either side.
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Speaker 1: He is hands from frozen not hands, yes, hands, And
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Speaker 1: people are thinking, oh, what a weird and dastard like
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Speaker 1: connection to make my friends. You have no fucking idea,
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell you, and it's gonna get worse.
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Speaker 1: So they get married and they end up staying in
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Speaker 1: this cottage owned by a farmer. And it's sort of
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Speaker 1: kind of a lease ish because part of the deal
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Speaker 1: of written this cottage from this farmer is they've got
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Speaker 1: to go work in this hop field. Now, hops is
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Speaker 1: a grain of some kind. They use it in beer.
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Speaker 1: I do not drink beer, but I hear it is good.
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Speaker 1: I don't drink beer. I don't know it's fine. So
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Speaker 1: he is doing some time in this field, is Joshua.
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Speaker 1: Joshua's there for a wee bit, but he's also doing
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Speaker 1: some time up in the textile mill for his family.
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Speaker 1: So he's he's kind of burning it. The candle at
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Speaker 1: both ends, you know. And Mary, Well, Mary is every
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Speaker 1: day slogging about working in the fields. And not only
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Speaker 1: is she working this like grueling labor every day. It's
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Speaker 1: not fucking easy, mate, You try working in a field.
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Speaker 1: That's why. That's why you don't know how to pick berries,
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Speaker 1: Like you can't do it with speed or skill and
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Speaker 1: not get stabbed a bunch of times from the brambles.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, hotfield's grueling labor, et cetera, et cetera. And
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Speaker 1: Mary she has to travel like two miles to get
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Speaker 1: to this field from her house. You'd think woul it
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Speaker 1: being the farmer's cottage, it would be easier. Don't know
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Speaker 1: how she gets there. Sometimes she has to walk. And
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Speaker 1: the thing is being a young woman who is wed
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Speaker 1: and has a teenage husband, and it's also a teenager herself. Well,
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Speaker 1: she gets pregnant, She gets pregnant, She ends up giving
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Speaker 1: birth twice. She has I believe, a son and a
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Speaker 1: daughter and they are fine, I guess, But she gets
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Speaker 1: pregnant a third time. I think she's about twenty in
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Speaker 1: her early twenties. Twenty three, twenty three, she gets pregnant
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Speaker 1: a third time. So yeah, I mean she has two
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Speaker 1: kids before the age of twenty one, which is which
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Speaker 1: is a lot. It's it's like I've got two kids
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Speaker 1: and I am older than that, much older than that,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I don't think and also don't
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Speaker 1: have them much later because also you get tired when
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Speaker 1: you're old, like I just want to nap. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: imagine having like small children. Now, no, thank you, I'm
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Speaker 1: too old. I'm in bed by nine pm most nights, lads,
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Speaker 1: I'm not staying up. No midnight feeds for me. These
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Speaker 1: babies are closed for dinner. No, no, we have finished serving,
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Speaker 1: thank you. So anyway, back to Mary, she's pregnant and
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Speaker 1: she's walking two miles to the fucking field, which she
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Speaker 1: is then going to do back breaking labor in when
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Speaker 1: she's very clearly pregnant. So in order for other people
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Speaker 1: to accept that she's pregnant, she would have had to
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Speaker 1: have what was called the quickening. So the quickening is
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Speaker 1: about four months. You have to be at least four months.
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Speaker 1: It's when you see the stomach swell, it's when you
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Speaker 1: see the actual bump appear, and sometimes it's when you
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Speaker 1: can feel a kick. So depending on how how it
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Speaker 1: is judged at this particular period of time. That's why
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Speaker 1: it's deemed that pregnancy would only be agreed upon at
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Speaker 1: that point, which is why a lot of women would
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Speaker 1: manage to not get hung and would get a stay
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Speaker 1: of execution because they'd be pregnant. Sometimes they just be
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Speaker 1: shagging the guards, which honestly, I mean, you're gonna throwing
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Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty chance at that point, because like,
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Speaker 1: the number one cause of death of women throughout history
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Speaker 1: is childbirth. The second is men, but childbirth, and so
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Speaker 1: it is a fifty to fifty chance there to get
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Speaker 1: pregnant and then you know stay of execution and when
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Speaker 1: in a certain death to like maybe death. So that's
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Speaker 1: not too bad really when you think about it. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: Mary is in the field and someone is with her
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Speaker 1: and she has a miscarriage and it is horrific. She
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Speaker 1: describes a flushing feeling, which I can only assume is
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Speaker 1: is like when your waters break, it just gushes. Is
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Speaker 1: someone who has experienced this a couple of times, it's
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Speaker 1: just like whosh, I hope that makes sense to you.
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Speaker 1: My random sound effects about splosh right out. And so
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Speaker 1: she just gets this severe pain followed by this flushing feeling,
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Speaker 1: and she suffers a spontaneous abortion, often referred to as
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Speaker 1: a miscarriage, which is a terminology that I don't like.
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Speaker 1: I don't like the term miscarriage because it feels like
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Speaker 1: it's placing blame instead of using a medical term, like
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Speaker 1: if someone miscarries, like a miscarriage of justice, it's putting
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Speaker 1: the blame on the pregnant person instead of, you know,
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Speaker 1: the fact that it's just a medical issue. It's just
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Speaker 1: something the body did. Might not be anyone or anything
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Speaker 1: specifically to blame. It can be something that just happens.
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Speaker 1: And I know we like to put reasons behind things,
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Speaker 1: but sometimes some things just don't have a reason, and
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Speaker 1: it sucks. But it just there isn't always an answer,
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Speaker 1: which also sucks. But yeah, spontaneous abortion because that is
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Speaker 1: the technical term, and that is the one I prefer
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Speaker 1: to use because it's clear, it's concise, and I think
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Speaker 1: it takes away the weaponry of language. On both sides
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Speaker 1: of this argument. AnyWho married of suffers suffers throughout this
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Speaker 1: whole story, but her womb is emptied, and whatever comes
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Speaker 1: out of her, whether it's like placenta or whatever, it
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Speaker 1: is described as monstrous, which I mean, I get your
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Speaker 1: living in a society in which religion rules supreme and
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Speaker 1: science is new, and a lot of people don't have
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Speaker 1: an understanding of basic medicine, even the doctors, and so
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Speaker 1: when something like this happens, you know, something like this happens.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been something as simple as
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Speaker 1: a fatal people abnormality which was then spontaneously abort it.
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Speaker 1: It could be something as simple as that, but we
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Speaker 1: don't know because we don't have any like we're not
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Speaker 1: photograph from the eighteenth century, don't have any sketches. That
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Speaker 1: being said, the men didn't have strong stomachs back then,
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Speaker 1: I mean, they were afraid of periods, so who knows
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Speaker 1: what they would deal with this. So because Mary has
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Speaker 1: suffered through this incident, what then happens is she goes home.
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Speaker 1: She gets sent home, you know, for like a week
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Speaker 1: or two, not too long, just enough to get some
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Speaker 1: rest and you know, do some very basic, basic healing,
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Speaker 1: and she's away for a few weeks, and she goes
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Speaker 1: back to working in the hop fields as she does.
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Speaker 1: Which anyone who's ever gone through that, anyone who's ever
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Speaker 1: suffered that loss physically, emotionally, whatever, it fucks with you.
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Speaker 1: It messes with your head, and you have all these
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Speaker 1: hormones going through your body, and you were going through
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Speaker 1: a lot of the time emotional turmoil. You've got all
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Speaker 1: these things going on from all these different angles, and
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Speaker 1: it's overwhelming and upsetting. And what Mary needs right now
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Speaker 1: is help and care. But Mary doesn't get that. So
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Speaker 1: in look the third week in September in seventeen twenty six,
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Speaker 1: there's all these issues going on. The landowners, they're the
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Speaker 1: lower classes. They're not too happy with it, and so
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Speaker 1: they start doing these mass protests, like they go into
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Speaker 1: areas where there's deer, where there's rabbits, because rabbits are
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Speaker 1: a symbol of the elite, right, they're a symbol of
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Speaker 1: the elite, and it's because they can't. So what happened
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Speaker 1: back in the day, Actually sidebar is that rabbits were
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Speaker 1: not wild. They were domesticated, and lords would have rabbits
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Speaker 1: because sometimes they wanted away, sometimes they wanted their super
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Speaker 1: soft fur to make their gorgeous courts or what ebbs.
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Speaker 1: So they had all that, and so rabbits were a
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Speaker 1: sign of the elite, of the privileged. And then what
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Speaker 1: happened is rabbits. You know, they shag a lot, and
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Speaker 1: so these so many rabbits that they just couldn't contain
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Speaker 1: them all and then they broke free. So rabbits exist
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Speaker 1: because rich people didn't know how to look after them. Really,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, rabbits are a symbol of the elite, as
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Speaker 1: are like deer and sort of there's fish lakes and stuff.
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Speaker 1: So like Joshua, Joshua Toft, he ends up being involved
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Speaker 1: in this mass protest in a lake basically against one
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Speaker 1: of the landowners, because of course he is so's he's
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Speaker 1: clearly got opinions and a viewpoint, especially regarding the higher classes,
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Speaker 1: as do his family. But yeah, Joshua was six of twelve, like,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter like anything after two in the order,
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Speaker 1: and you're not getting shit, mate, You're just there's nothing
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Speaker 1: for you. You're going to find another avenue. And so
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Speaker 1: his mother and sister decide that they're going to involve
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Speaker 1: a plan with Mary. So Mary is back in the field.
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Speaker 1: This is one week after so it's like the twenty sixth,
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Speaker 1: twenty seventh of September seventeen ninety six, and she's back
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Speaker 1: in the fields, she's working and she just grabs her stomach.
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Speaker 1: She has this severe pain. She was trying to catch
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Speaker 1: a rabbit. She says, this is the tail. She saw
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Speaker 1: a rabbit. She was trying to catch the rabbit. She
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Speaker 1: was so hungry. She really wanted this rabbit because they're poor.
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Speaker 1: They wanted something to eat. She gets this pain. She
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Speaker 1: couldn't catch the rabbit. It's his pain in her stomach.
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Speaker 1: And then gives birth. And she does it in front
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Speaker 1: of a bunch of people, so other people who are
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Speaker 1: in the field with her, and what comes out of
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Speaker 1: her vagina is this weird creature? Now, this creature is weird.
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Speaker 1: It's got like legs and a slimy backbone. See it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's a cat with an eel in it. There
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Speaker 1: was no nice way to say this, Okay. So the
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Speaker 1: mother in law and the sister. One of them is
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Speaker 1: called Margaret. Maybe both of them are called Margaret. I
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Speaker 1: didn't care to learn their names because they're fuck wits
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Speaker 1: and I hate them. So what do they do to
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Speaker 1: the postpartum you know, Mary, twenty five year old Mary?
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Speaker 1: What do they do? They make her open her legs.
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Speaker 1: They take a dissected cat whose head they have cut
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Speaker 1: off and removed its guts, which they then replaced. I
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Speaker 1: mean had to be a small cat, right, So that's
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Speaker 1: a kitten. Why did they say cat? That's a fucking kitten.
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Speaker 1: That's disgusting. It's not my worse, right, that's worse it
25:25
Speaker 1: is They cut up an eel. They also cut off
25:30
Speaker 1: its head, and they remove some of it I guess
25:34
Speaker 1: put that inside the desiccated remains of the kitten, which
25:40
Speaker 1: they then insert into Mary's vagina. So she quote unquote
25:50
Speaker 1: gives birth to this thing, and they contact the local
25:56
Speaker 1: doctor who's they're like, look, she's given birth to this creature.
26:01
Speaker 1: And yeah, John Howard is called upon and he comes
26:07
Speaker 1: to the scene and he's looking at this thing and
26:11
Speaker 1: they're like, witnesses saw her give birth to this. Look
26:14
Speaker 1: at this thing. And he's like, that looks like three
26:17
Speaker 1: legs all the tabby cat and the backbone of an
26:22
Speaker 1: eel that it doesn't have a head. Where's its head?
26:26
Speaker 1: If she gave birth to a creature, where the fox
26:29
Speaker 1: it's head? And they're like, oh, that, I don't know.
26:35
Speaker 1: Maybe it came apart somewhere. It's a wee shame. So
26:40
Speaker 1: he's like, right, okay, see you So John howard. He leaves.
26:46
Speaker 1: The surgeon's like no, no, no, no no, And so
26:51
Speaker 1: a little while later again Mary talked, yet again goes
26:57
Speaker 1: into labor and birth animal bits, so there's like a
27:05
Speaker 1: cat leg, a rabbit leg, bits of another bit like
27:09
Speaker 1: it just things. And the doctor's like, okay, cool, Yeah,
27:13
Speaker 1: I'm still no head though, so that's a no for me.
27:19
Speaker 1: So the mother in law missus toft, Mother toft, I
27:25
Speaker 1: should whatever the fuck toft dickhead toft. She then goes
27:31
Speaker 1: and gets the jaw bone. Oh a rabbit. No, I
27:36
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever seen a jawbone, but it
27:39
Speaker 1: has teeth, and she decides to shove the jaw bone
27:47
Speaker 1: up into Mary inside her. Now, this causes Mary, I
27:55
Speaker 1: know you're going to be shocked at this, but excruciating
27:58
Speaker 1: pain because she's being stabbed internally by a rabbit's job
28:05
Speaker 1: one gets to the point where she has to ask
28:08
Speaker 1: someone for help to remove it from her because she's
28:11
Speaker 1: just in so much pain. So the next day when
28:14
Speaker 1: her mother in law shows up, she's fucking livid. Not Mary,
28:19
Speaker 1: the mother in law, she's livid that she's removed the
28:22
Speaker 1: job bone, and so she takes like the top part
28:26
Speaker 1: of the head, so like the job own was the underbit,
28:29
Speaker 1: so like the skull ish but with still feting things
28:31
Speaker 1: on it. She shoves that up inside her daughter in law, okay,
28:40
Speaker 1: up inside her daughter in law, so that when the obstetrician,
28:46
Speaker 1: the surgeon John Howard, once he shows up, the man
28:49
Speaker 1: midwife once he shows up. Yeah, they literally called him
28:52
Speaker 1: a man midwife. It's the whole thing. When he shows up,
28:56
Speaker 1: she just conveniently goes into labor and then outcomes this
29:01
Speaker 1: partial rabbit head with a couple other bits, and he's like, wow,
29:07
Speaker 1: I guess this is real now because she has like
29:11
Speaker 1: it's got a head, and this is where things go
29:16
Speaker 1: from bad to worse. So John Howard finally has his
29:24
Speaker 1: proof with this wee rabbit skull that Mary Toft has
29:29
Speaker 1: in fact given buff to rabbits. And so he is
29:34
Speaker 1: rubbing his grimy wee hands together because he's about to
29:39
Speaker 1: get the notoriety that he so wants. This is an
29:46
Speaker 1: era basically, I should say this now, this is an
29:50
Speaker 1: era of the freak show of like imagine Pete Barnum,
29:54
Speaker 1: so you would go and see like the Bearded Lady
29:57
Speaker 1: or Siamese Twin are conjoined twins. Is they're now known
30:03
Speaker 1: and you know, like a tiny person like somebody with
30:08
Speaker 1: like extreme Dwarfism, or like a giant like Merrick, the
30:14
Speaker 1: elephant man, John Merrick. Like people would go and see
30:18
Speaker 1: side shows, freak shows, so on and so forth, and
30:22
Speaker 1: anyone who was an oddity. You know, people would invite
30:26
Speaker 1: them to dinner. It would be you would show them off,
30:28
Speaker 1: kind of like in the regency period where they would
30:31
Speaker 1: show off pineapples, which is like just another sign of
30:34
Speaker 1: colonialism or whatever, but they would do that in order
30:38
Speaker 1: to show their status and their wealth. And when you
30:41
Speaker 1: had someone like this that you could parade around your
30:43
Speaker 1: dinner or your ball or party, it made you like
30:47
Speaker 1: cock of the walk, tip top, you know, the person
30:51
Speaker 1: to know. So anyway, they did that and and that
30:58
Speaker 1: was just what they did. It was a thing, and
31:00
Speaker 1: so you could make money like Terra, remember Torall, the
31:04
Speaker 1: cannibal spy who would just like eat clocks and watches
31:07
Speaker 1: and stones and sticks and live cats. Yeah, possibly an infant. Yeah,
31:13
Speaker 1: people would pay for that, like it's the freak show.
31:15
Speaker 1: You would see that them do the things contortionists and whatnot. Whatever,
31:19
Speaker 1: they would go and do that. But There was a
31:23
Speaker 1: case as well of Peter, who I'm probably gonna discuss
31:25
Speaker 1: sometime because it's they call it the forbidden experiment. So
31:32
Speaker 1: he is known as this feral child. He's Peter the
31:34
Speaker 1: wild boy. He's saying, it's this feral child, right, And
31:38
Speaker 1: because he's you know, feralle like Romulus and Remus, raised
31:42
Speaker 1: by animals. There's this theory that states that, you know,
31:47
Speaker 1: if children don't hear language before like the age of
31:49
Speaker 1: four or whatever, or age of three. I'm not sure.
31:52
Speaker 1: I have to double check my notes on that one,
31:54
Speaker 1: because it's been a while since I've studied awful, awful
31:57
Speaker 1: psychological experiments, and you don't have the ability to create language,
32:04
Speaker 1: or understand language, or create language to reproduce words and
32:09
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So Peter the well boy,
32:13
Speaker 1: he was like taking around all of these regency households
32:15
Speaker 1: to show off. Now, when you look at some of
32:20
Speaker 1: the information regarding Peter, to me anyway, it seems like
32:26
Speaker 1: he was non verbal autistic. We just didn't have a
32:29
Speaker 1: word for it then. So but that's another story for
32:33
Speaker 1: another day. And Peter bloody deserved better. But anyway, I mean,
32:36
Speaker 1: he did pretty well considering the regency, you know the
32:41
Speaker 1: year that it was. So anyway, Mary Toft, over the
32:46
Speaker 1: course of a few months, Mary Toft gives birth to rabbits,
32:52
Speaker 1: like many, many times, I think over the entire period.
32:58
Speaker 1: It's like seventeen. So she does this over and over again,
33:02
Speaker 1: and little tiny rabbit parts, bitty pitty rabbits, baby rabbits,
33:06
Speaker 1: small rabbits, but like not a whole A lot of
33:10
Speaker 1: the time, a lot of the time they're in pieces.
33:13
Speaker 1: And she does this consistently with the help of John Howard,
33:17
Speaker 1: over many, many months. And it gets to the point
33:26
Speaker 1: where news of this reaches the London papers. I mean,
33:31
Speaker 1: I mean we're in sorry, so we're not too far really,
33:33
Speaker 1: I mean if they were in Yorkshire, you'd be like,
33:36
Speaker 1: really London, really, if they're in Manchester, Jesus, can you
33:39
Speaker 1: imagine if they made it that far. Anyway, they managed
33:43
Speaker 1: to make the news. It hits London and scientists, doctors,
33:48
Speaker 1: the elite, the medical professionals are just intrigued by this,
33:55
Speaker 1: and they're bring her down here. She needs to be studied,
33:59
Speaker 1: and so they bring her to and the news of
34:03
Speaker 1: this information. They study her, they watch her give birth,
34:08
Speaker 1: give birth, and she produces these rabbits, these downy baby rabbits.
34:13
Speaker 1: They're all dead, dead rabbits. And again she tells them,
34:17
Speaker 1: you know, she was pregnant, she dreamed of rabbit, she
34:20
Speaker 1: tried to catch it, and next thing, you know, just
34:23
Speaker 1: rabbits shooting down her. Birth control, no birth canal, I mean,
34:29
Speaker 1: it's definitely a form of birth control. So it gets
34:33
Speaker 1: to the point King George the First, who's not even
34:36
Speaker 1: in England at this point. He's in Germany or whatever
34:38
Speaker 1: it was at that point. One of the German states, Hanover,
34:43
Speaker 1: whoever he was, he's the House of Hanover. I don't know,
34:46
Speaker 1: there's too many Georges. George the First didn't even bother
34:48
Speaker 1: learn in English. He didn't care. He was like the
34:51
Speaker 1: nephew of Queen Anne, who Yeah, it was a whole thing. Basically,
34:56
Speaker 1: they didn't want a Catholic to rule Britain, and so
35:01
Speaker 1: they're like, he's the next Protestant. He'll do. But oh
35:04
Speaker 1: he was a dick as well. He was such an arseolo.
35:07
Speaker 1: We'll talk about him sometime in the future, but yeah,
35:10
Speaker 1: he ends up sending his his British I say British.
35:16
Speaker 1: It was even British. He was Swiss Nathaniel Saint Andre
35:23
Speaker 1: he he he's a physician. He's a doctor. He's Swiss,
35:26
Speaker 1: but he practices in England, so he's he's meant to
35:29
Speaker 1: be like the doctor to like the royal household to
35:33
Speaker 1: the king, except the king isn't in England, so it
35:36
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. So Saint Andre he, I mean, he's
35:41
Speaker 1: meant to be the super great doctor, right, He's supposed
35:43
Speaker 1: to be the best of the best. That's why he's
35:45
Speaker 1: like the physician to the royal household. Yeah, but he's
35:51
Speaker 1: I mean, he was desperate to get involved in this
35:53
Speaker 1: because this man he loved the drama. He loved it.
35:57
Speaker 1: He loved to get elbow deep in it. And he's
36:00
Speaker 1: certainly tried. So he ends up having a look at
36:05
Speaker 1: these rabbits. She gives birth to rabbits, and he's like, yay, wow, amazing. See,
36:11
Speaker 1: there's this theory that if you think about something when
36:14
Speaker 1: you're pregnant, that sort of manifests like into the fetus. Right,
36:19
Speaker 1: So like John Merrick, the elephant man, Like there was
36:22
Speaker 1: a story that his mother dreamed of elephants or was
36:24
Speaker 1: startled by an elephant, and next thing you know, John
36:29
Speaker 1: Merrick was born and he was born with all these
36:34
Speaker 1: Oh there's a term for it, jig I got Oh,
36:37
Speaker 1: my goodness, I can't say the word where gigantic gets them.
36:42
Speaker 1: There's like bits of you get bigger, they grow when
36:44
Speaker 1: they shouldn't. Oh, I've seen I've seen it happen to
36:48
Speaker 1: testicles as well. Don't ask, don't ask why. I read
36:54
Speaker 1: a lot of weird stuff and see so many weird
36:57
Speaker 1: pictures that are now seared into my brain. But yeah,
37:03
Speaker 1: so they were thinking, oh, she was dreaming of a rabbit,
37:06
Speaker 1: and then next thing you know, she's given birth to rabbits.
37:08
Speaker 1: This makes perfect sense. And Saint Andre is like promoting this,
37:11
Speaker 1: and he's telling everybody, and so the nobleman, the noblemen
37:18
Speaker 1: are so impressed. You've got this. It's so impressed. And
37:23
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where the king then sends
37:29
Speaker 1: like another physician, like his German one, Alh's doctor Alurhs.
37:37
Speaker 1: So Alers is there and he finally gets to England.
37:40
Speaker 1: He watches her do the birth whenever, and he takes
37:44
Speaker 1: one of the rabbits and he decides to check its lungs,
37:50
Speaker 1: so it takes out his lungs and he puts it
37:53
Speaker 1: in water, and the lungs float, meaning that the rabbit
37:58
Speaker 1: breathed air. If it was a fetus and it had
38:01
Speaker 1: not lived outside the womb, then its lungs would not
38:05
Speaker 1: have inhaled, it would not have breathed, breathed, breathed, and
38:11
Speaker 1: they wouldn't float, right. So he's like, that's weird, that's suspicious.
38:18
Speaker 1: So then they're like, okay, this is strange. And then
38:24
Speaker 1: she gives birth quote unquote again and they're like, I'm
38:30
Speaker 1: gonna check this rabbit. And he takes the rabbit, does
38:32
Speaker 1: a wheel atopsy on it and checks its stomach, and
38:35
Speaker 1: inside the stomach of the ba baby rabbit is hey,
38:39
Speaker 1: meaning that you know this did not originate inside her body.
38:42
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, but how are they getting up yere?
38:45
Speaker 1: This doesn't make any sense. Like these are full rabbits,
38:48
Speaker 1: by the way, with claws and teeth and all the
38:53
Speaker 1: other pointy bits. Like they did not declaw any of
38:56
Speaker 1: the other legs, by the way when they first shove
38:57
Speaker 1: them up. I want to make this clear. And and
39:00
Speaker 1: they inserted the animal pieces and carcasses and bones inside
39:06
Speaker 1: this poor woman's vagila. Anyway, it gets to the point
39:13
Speaker 1: that they're like Okay, we're gonna lock her in this
39:17
Speaker 1: room and just keep her under observation, just to make sure.
39:23
Speaker 1: And then a man is trying to you say, a man,
39:28
Speaker 1: a young fella. He's trying to sneak into Mary's room
39:32
Speaker 1: because he's trying to smuggle her rabbit corpses. And they're like,
39:39
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing? And they're like, I
39:42
Speaker 1: was told I was paid by these women to do it.
39:45
Speaker 1: So like the mother in law and sister in law
39:47
Speaker 1: had bribed this dude to try and sneak rabbits into
39:50
Speaker 1: Mary's room, and so they try and do that, which
39:55
Speaker 1: is weird, and ends up just confessing. She confesses. She
40:03
Speaker 1: tells them everything. She tells them the full story. She
40:06
Speaker 1: explains why, and then she explains that she was not
40:09
Speaker 1: a willing participant, that she didn't want to do this,
40:13
Speaker 1: she didn't want to be involved in this, and that
40:16
Speaker 1: she was in so much pain, like this was excruciating
40:24
Speaker 1: for her. And not only that, like your body, especially
40:30
Speaker 1: as a woman, is seen as as how do I
40:35
Speaker 1: put it distasteful if it has been tarnished, tarnished by others,
40:44
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So your personal fuck, I'm
40:52
Speaker 1: so mad, right, I can't even finish a sentence. I'm
40:54
Speaker 1: so fucking angry this per woman, like to put your
40:59
Speaker 1: body into display like that two other men, right, that
41:04
Speaker 1: is belittling and demonizing, especially when we realize the Christian
41:09
Speaker 1: culture that she would have grown up with and the
41:11
Speaker 1: purity culture which would have existed, and the fact that
41:16
Speaker 1: all of these men are are touching her. Like there's
41:21
Speaker 1: at one point where Nathaniel's saying andle he is like
41:26
Speaker 1: checking her, he's doing a vaginal exam, and he sticks
41:30
Speaker 1: his hand like into her vagina. And how she did
41:35
Speaker 1: not die, by the way, because this is a period
41:38
Speaker 1: where women were always dying because male midwives were not
41:42
Speaker 1: washing their hands between touching corpses and other icky bits
41:46
Speaker 1: before shoving their hands inside women. And like the fact
41:50
Speaker 1: that she didn't get sepsis between the claws and their
41:52
Speaker 1: dirty fingernails, like shocking, absolutely shocking. It's a fucking miracle, right.
41:58
Speaker 1: So he puts up there and he's looking inside and
42:00
Speaker 1: he says, I don't see any rabbits in there, so
42:02
Speaker 1: clearly they're in our womb or whatever. Now she ends
42:07
Speaker 1: up then giving birth after that of rabbits, and she
42:10
Speaker 1: says that when he did the inspection, there was a
42:13
Speaker 1: rabbit inside her. He just didn't know what the fuck
42:16
Speaker 1: he was looking at, the supposed physician to the king.
42:20
Speaker 1: But yeah, Aler's is not into this at all. She
42:25
Speaker 1: gets caught, and then other people start coming forward with
42:29
Speaker 1: report saying that, yeah, her husband was buying dead rabbits
42:33
Speaker 1: off a bunch of people, and he wasn't being discreet
42:35
Speaker 1: about it. He would go to markets in farmers and
42:40
Speaker 1: he'd be like, hey, got any rabbits, baby rabbits, specifically
42:46
Speaker 1: deceased baby rabbits. It's for my wife. She wants to
42:51
Speaker 1: eat them, even though there's very little meat on them.
42:54
Speaker 1: And if you eat nothing but rabbit, you will die.
42:58
Speaker 1: Fun fact. The amount of calories that it takes to
43:03
Speaker 1: consume rabbit. And if you were to eat nothing but rabbit,
43:07
Speaker 1: if you have some carrots and peas with it, you're fine,
43:09
Speaker 1: But if you eat nothing but rabbit, you will die.
43:13
Speaker 1: You will die of starvation. Fun fact. But yeah, back
43:18
Speaker 1: to Mary and the absolute bullshit tom fuckeray that goes on.
43:23
Speaker 1: So she ends up confessing her husband is caught out
43:28
Speaker 1: her husband. You'd think that if you know the mother
43:32
Speaker 1: in law and sister in law being shitty. You're like
43:34
Speaker 1: a fair enough, that's family. It fucking happens. But her
43:38
Speaker 1: husband is doing this to her, and he's involved in
43:43
Speaker 1: this scheme. Like it's portrayed that she deliberately tried to
43:48
Speaker 1: hoodwink all the higher ups, and it seems like this
43:52
Speaker 1: may have been a plan from her in laws and
43:54
Speaker 1: her husband. Again, Joshua, you absolute cockwomble. But this was
44:02
Speaker 1: a painful thing to do from every angle, internally, externally, emotionally, Like,
44:09
Speaker 1: this is not something that someone would willingly do. I mean,
44:15
Speaker 1: especially the fact that she was forced into this situation postpartum,
44:21
Speaker 1: Like she's not suffered enough. You're going to do this
44:26
Speaker 1: to her. How little respect do you have for her
44:29
Speaker 1: as a human, as a person that you think this
44:33
Speaker 1: is an okay thing to do. Y'all are oursels, Allia,
44:37
Speaker 1: not you, but her family. Sorry, gentle listeners, delicious friends,
44:42
Speaker 1: best diys. I'm sorry, I'm just full of the rage. AnyWho.
44:51
Speaker 1: She's held for a bit and like they try to
44:56
Speaker 1: try her on what's the term now, Yeah, she was
45:01
Speaker 1: charged on a statute as being a vile cheat and impostor,
45:07
Speaker 1: so her and John Howard before the bench in like
45:11
Speaker 1: December and he ends up with a fine of eight
45:15
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, which is like over one hundred and fifty
45:17
Speaker 1: grand in today's money, and very tought. Is kind of
45:22
Speaker 1: held for a while and then let go. So in
45:25
Speaker 1: April the following year they let her go because they
45:29
Speaker 1: don't really know how to charge her for this, like
45:35
Speaker 1: how do you? And I think as well, like the
45:38
Speaker 1: galleys in the court, they were filled with people, people
45:41
Speaker 1: who were desperate to find out information about it. This
45:45
Speaker 1: was like the talk of London, and I think a
45:49
Speaker 1: lot of people, like even at the time, between the
45:53
Speaker 1: fact that you know, the symbolism of the rabbits and
45:56
Speaker 1: someone impoverished in illiterate like Mary Toft, there would have
46:00
Speaker 1: been there would have been some cajoling, you know, and
46:04
Speaker 1: some consideration. So she ends up being told like she's
46:09
Speaker 1: saying that she won't do anything of her again. She
46:11
Speaker 1: you know, she won't want for anything as long as
46:13
Speaker 1: she lives, no worries, peace out. I won't be doing
46:17
Speaker 1: this shit again. So she ends up buggering off, getting
46:21
Speaker 1: the heck at a dodge, saying fuck this for Chemis
46:23
Speaker 1: soldiers and just calling back to live her life. And
46:27
Speaker 1: so she goes back back to Surrey and back to
46:32
Speaker 1: her husband, because of course she does, because it's the
46:36
Speaker 1: eighteenth century. What else is she going to do? Right,
46:41
Speaker 1: She goes back and she ends up having another child
46:46
Speaker 1: with him, who I think is fine. We don't really know.
46:51
Speaker 1: There's probably someone out there related to the Tofts, like
46:55
Speaker 1: chances are there's I mean, he was one of you know, twelve,
47:01
Speaker 1: so there's going to be something somewhere. There has to
47:06
Speaker 1: be a relation still existing today. It would be weird
47:08
Speaker 1: if there wasn't, like somewhere in the bloodline. Really deluded,
47:12
Speaker 1: but it's there. But Mary told she just lives out
47:17
Speaker 1: the rest of her life. She just loves it, not
47:21
Speaker 1: really doing anything, not really causing any issues. But the
47:33
Speaker 1: next we really hear of her is in seventeen sixty
47:36
Speaker 1: three when she passes away of presumably old age, because
47:43
Speaker 1: she's because she's six. I mean, she's sixty. That's not
47:46
Speaker 1: that old. But you know, I feel like she's suffered
47:51
Speaker 1: enough in life, but she's sixty. It's the seventeen hundreds.
47:56
Speaker 1: Who knows what happened to her? But she dies and
48:00
Speaker 1: her obituary runs in the London newspapers alongside high society.
48:09
Speaker 1: So aristocrats. I almost said Aristo cats the Aristo cats Mill,
48:16
Speaker 1: the Tabby's coming back from her, But no, the the
48:21
Speaker 1: obituary is in the papers next to the astocrats, because
48:26
Speaker 1: like she was still such a fascination and still so
48:29
Speaker 1: well known that they put her there. But yeah, she
48:36
Speaker 1: passes away and is then buried on the thirteenth of
48:43
Speaker 1: January seventeen sixty three. I don't even think she was sixty.
48:46
Speaker 1: I think she was fifty nine. But yeah, she passes away,
48:56
Speaker 1: gets buried, and then is used as a weird footnote
49:05
Speaker 1: for I don't know the medical crap in history and
49:12
Speaker 1: to show women is conniving and so on and so forth.
49:15
Speaker 1: But yes, so ends the story of Mary Toft, Queen
49:21
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49:26
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49:28
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49:46
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49:55
Speaker 1: have sent in a proposal, a book proposal to a publisher,
49:58
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens there. So yeah, that happened.
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Speaker 1: you liked lessons in Chemistry, you might like this book
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Speaker 1: about poison butter and I was like sold. So that's reading.
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Speaker 1: For watching, you know, I watched shard Lake and it
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Speaker 1: took me like a good half an episode to really
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Speaker 1: assimilate with where I was going to be. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was pretty good. So watch shard Lake. It's weird
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Speaker 1: and Sean Bean's in it, and you need to tell
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Speaker 1: me what you thought of his eyebrows. Okay, am I
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Speaker 1: the only one that sees something strange? But Sean Bean's
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Speaker 1: eyebrows and shard Lake, just look at it. Consider it all.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I have a feeling. And for listening, I've
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Speaker 1: been listening to Katie Bezar. Actually I find it really
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Speaker 1: really fun and and don't actually no, there's this. There's
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Speaker 1: a song by Thomas mack Ain't No. It's a country
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Speaker 1: song and it's about trying to talk up to girls
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Speaker 1: in the bar and he gets rejected and stuff, and
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Speaker 1: it's very funny and it's very catchy and you should
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Speaker 1: go listen to it. But I am going to go
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Speaker 1: and see my kids now because they are waiting for me,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to bid you all good night. Adios.
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Speaker 1: Au revoir of Where Is There? My Friends A Babbie