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Ep 44: United Win at Anfield! · Let's Kick It Off!

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  Beautiful feeling, amazing feeling and especially going.
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  But you know, losing that goal, losing the lead, it was a
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  deflation. So it made the winner even
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  better and even better, there was McGuire.
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  Like another player, player that I've backed a lot, a lot got a
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  lot of criticism for backing, Said he's got great character
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  and he stepped up in a big moment when we needed him right
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  that. That knee slide is just a
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  wonderful thing. I obviously said we should buy
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  Kaiser or Rice in that window. I didn't know who Rasmus
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  Highland was, so they keep going on.
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  So why? Why would you recommend him?
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  Why would you recommend him? Overcame them, I didn't.
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  This is what I mean. You've made this up.
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  I've sent the. Receipts.
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  I've sent the receipts, backed him, I've sent the receipts.
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  You've sent the receipts, you said.
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  Like pay the money you and I've. Sent the receipts I've.
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  Sent the receipts argument about it.
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  Let's kick it off. I'm Steve and I'm joined by Ash
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  and us and we've battled the AWS issues to make it on the pod.
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  Us gave up as easy as I'd expect the United team to give up
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  normally for that's not what what we saw this weekend because
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  Manchester United won two, one against Liverpool at Anfield,
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  Harry Maguire with the winner in the 85th minute.
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  And yeah, it's been a long time coming, nearly a decade, I think
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  since our last win at Anfield. So. 16.
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  Yeah, Rooney, right, Louis van Houel and then before that was
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  Juan Field. So the last, yeah last nine
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  years have been tough, including the seven nil defeat.
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  So I think we would do one. And as always in the rare
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  occasions when we do win a football match, we have to come
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  to Mr Ruben in, Mr Inios in. So us, how much did you enjoy
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  that win against Liverpool at Anfield?
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  As much as everyone did right, it's the for me, I don't know
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  what's what's it like for you. For me it's the the the hardest
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  fixture of the season. I always like for me personally,
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  I've got a lot of Liverpool supporting fans, friends and
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  it's the place where I get the most nerves, the biggest game
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  for me of the season, way more than City.
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  I think Arsenal's probably second for me so.
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  Yeah, And are there any Man City fans anyway?
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  No. The Gallagher brothers and
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  that's about it, isn't it? Pretty much so yeah, it was.
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  And I'd had very low expectations obviously going
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  into this game. The other thing is it's not just
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  for me personally was the battling the kind of United
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  Liverpool thing. It's in, in the context of this
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  almost internal battle we have. Like you've just come to me and
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  reference me as the Reuben in guy and it's almost like
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  feeling. There was a feeling as well of
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  all the Reubens jobs on the line today, right?
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  It's more than just a game. It was like it was bigger than a
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  game. So, you know, I was really
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  hoping that we could step up with a performance.
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  Been telling you guys Liverpool to me have looked dodged this
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  season. So I felt that if we played
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  well, we'd give them a game. Didn't expect us to win the
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  yeah, beautiful feeling, amazing feeling and especially going.
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  But you know, losing that goal, losing the lead, it was a
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  deflation. So it made the winner even
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  better and even better, there was McGuire, like another
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  player, a player that I've backed a lot, a lot, got a lot
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  of criticism for backing. Said he's got great character
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  and he stepped up in a big moment when we needed him, right
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  when the that that nice slide is just a wonderful thing.
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  So many great goals, that guy. You know what's funny, obviously
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  if you if you rewind to the last game at Anfield, obviously it
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  was Reuben's early days and we played quite well.
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  We it was 22 and obviously all United fans will remember that
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  last minute chance where McGuire could have won it.
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  And at that time, Raffy was about two months old, and I was
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  holding him for that chance. And I fell to my knees while
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  holding him and he started crying.
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  And it's quite funny because like, really.
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  Well, Fast forward to now. It was Raffy's first birthday
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  party weekend, so Ash was up in Manchester.
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  We're watching it together. And Ash to score within what, a
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  minute and 10 seconds or whatever?
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  It was just like, surreal, right?
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  Yeah, I mean, I don't think I've ever seen a quicker goal at
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  Anfield. Maybe Yeah, just completely like
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  any team. But great start and good move as
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  well. So yeah, no, I couldn't believe,
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  to be honest. Like we'd started like that.
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  It's amazing what happens when you pass the ball forward and
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  you have forward runners. And you play Ahmad, right?
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  Yeah, exactly. I thought Ahmad was outstanding
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  for the period that it was on the pitch.
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  I saw Reuben actually say what happened.
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  So because he got booked, he decided to take him off because
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  do you remember when he took him off?
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  I was like, why is he taking him off?
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  Because he just looked fresh as a Daisy.
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  But fair play because we've spoken about it a lot, right?
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  Reuben has not had that luck that a manager needs even when
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  you're at the top of the league. So yeah, all the scouses we'll
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  talk about, it's weird. They're saying like they hit the
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  woodwork 3 times, but it's like come on, like 1 was a freaking
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  cross that got deflected. But yeah.
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  I am loving how bitter old Arne is pulling out all the excuses
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  under the sun like oh they changed their team how dare.
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  We change their team low block. I mean, let's rewind to when
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  Gerard Julio used to come to Old Trafford and just park the bus,
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  right? I.
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  Don't even think we did park the bus as well.
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  I thought, you know, we tried to, we tried to play, we tried
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  to attack them and it and then it was in the last, let's say,
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  quarter of the game where we were gassed.
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  We were absolutely just on our knees.
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  We had nothing left, right in the tank.
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  And that's when, yeah, it kind of we really sank back deep,
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  but. Even in the.
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  Ceramically I thought we, we, yeah, we, we, we did try to to
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  have a go most of the game. Even in the ceramics days, I
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  don't remember one single victory where we didn't fight
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  battle grind. The one time we played Liverpool
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  off the park was 1 Field under Louis van Haal, but under Sir
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  Alex Ferguson. I think our greatest victory,
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  John O'Shea, we didn't do anything the whole game.
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  I think Edwin made a few saves and we won the game.
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  And as as mentioned, it's our hardest game.
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  I don't remember playing well there that often so fuck it, I
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  don't care. Like we just take the win.
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  We're just just going back. But historically like, because
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  for me Liverpool way is the big one, as you were saying, like
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  you know, which ones are the biggest?
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  For me, it's the biggest. And I was thinking back like how
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  many times can I remember winning at Anfield?
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  And in my lifetime, I, I'd like look back to see how many times
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  we've won and since like say 2007 that O'Shea one, we've only
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  won four, not including this weekend, SO5 in total.
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  So you think, if you think like over 20 years, we've won five
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  times at Anfield. But then going back beyond that,
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  if these, if this is chat, if ChatGPT is right, we won five on
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  the bounce between 95 to 2000. So it's like back then even was
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  it a game? Because I don't remember those
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  games. Like, you know, would you say it
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  was a a battle? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Pull proper game. Yeah, Liverpool weren't that
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  good and they gave us a game every single time.
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  As we'll probably remember the the free, free thing was 94
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  hours. Oh yeah, going free and a lot,
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  yeah. I mean, I was a little bit too
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  young and I didn't have Sky. Go and go and watch.
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  Go and watch the highlights of that.
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  The reason I say that, it's look at the difference of Anfield
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  then versus now. They were there was crazy
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  atmosphere. It was really interesting.
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  At the 90th minute there was a corner, I think around 90 and I
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  could hear a pin drop. I was like what is going on?
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  There's where's. Your famous atmosphere.
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  Unbelievable. It was literally, I was like,
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  it's something wrong with the sound.
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  If Sky turned the sound off or there's a failure and then then
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  they kick the ball. So I was like, no, the the the
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  ball in this, the the is making a sound.
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  Where's the crowd? You're you're at the cop.
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  You're 21 down. Where's this?
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  You're supposed to be sucking the ball into the net, aren't
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  you? What's going on?
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  It was, I think, Gary. Neville turned the noise
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  cancelling button on and we could just hear his screeching
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  when McGuire nestled that into the corner.
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  Beautiful moment. Yeah, Talking of Edwin Van
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  Deser, I have to say Lam Lam, Lamont's is it?
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  How do we say it? We can't do the name thing
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  again. We've got in Boom in boom right
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  now, but now is it Lamont? I'm going Lamont.
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  Lamont's. I thought Lamont's was very
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  composed, right? Second game, big pressure and
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  there was 1 moment where it was a highball high catch and he
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  seemed to slightly misjudge it and I was like Oh my God, thank
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  God he caught that one. But apart from that, he looked
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  really good and that shows you the difference.
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  You know, we played well. For example, I kept saying,
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  guys, look, we played well in the Arsenal game.
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  It was just clowning goal, foot punch to win in just shows you a
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  good goalkeeper can make a a big difference.
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  Two things. A good goalkeeper makes a big
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  difference in scoring the first goal.
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  I keep saying, oh, every if you if so many games are like, oh,
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  we play well for 20 minutes and the first shot they score and it
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  it kind of puts you on the back foot.
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  So that fast start and you get the goal, you get the goal.
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  And I thought we could have got a second.
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  I thought, how did Bruno not put that one in for two nil, right.
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  And then you're 2 nil and you're you're strolling.
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  But yeah, at one nil there was always, it was always tense.
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  And when they scored, I thought, OK, we're done.
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  Because we looked, we, we put everything into that and I
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  thought we were done. So to win, yeah, it was just
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  insane. Insane.
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  The roller coaster emotions, right?
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  But just just going back to that first go.
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  I think for me, I I think I said after the Arsenal game, first
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  game of the season, I liked and boom, because of those runs.
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  You could see it in the first game like he was running in
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  behind way more than you've seen in many years, right?
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  I think in terms of United attackers.
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  And that's exactly what you've done.
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  Like just ran past Van Dyke. Van Dyke with some aura
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  defending Ash. What did you make of of that
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  so-called defending? Yeah, it was like, pass it on
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  defending, wasn't it? So like Neville and Carriger
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  seemed to get confused about it. I mean, for me, Van Dyke just
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  seemed to pass him on to Kanate and like I said, I think that
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  was the most positive thing, even within the first minute, a
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  forward run. Like it just is the most basic
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  thing in football, but it just causes havoc and that's what
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  happened. He makes the run, great pass
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  from actually, there's two great passes, Bruno to Ahmed and then
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  Ahmed's pass, like really inspirational.
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  And just, you know, that is classic Manchester United
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  actually that goal, yeah, forward passing, forward run,
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  bang, counter attack, you know, and off to a great start.
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  And yeah, we actually created some good chances.
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  Obviously Liverpool fans or even the neutral might say oh,
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  Liverpool aren't in great form, but let's be first Steve.
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  Like we've been shit for a year, so let's get the monkey off the
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  back and say yes, we've won 22 league games in a row.
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  And it is. Can't believe first back-to-back
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  wins for Reuben, right? Yeah, exactly.
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  It's like nearly a year, right, Because he obviously joined
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  early November, which is mental, but let's just say it because,
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  you know, it is the elephant in the room.
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  But yeah, nothing to celebrate on that element.
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  But yeah, I thought we also done a number on Liverpool in terms
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  of like we outnumbered him in in different phases of the pitch.
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  So you could say that the system did work to an to an element.
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  But this is the problem, right? Like we know with these players,
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  it could be a one off, so we have to kind of see what happens
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  next Saturday in terms of how well the system, the formation,
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  but. This is what that's what
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  everyone's saying. Let's part that to the side.
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  Let's just like, you know, be in the celebrations because like,
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  it's been a shite year. Liverpool fans will probably be
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  saying, yeah, like, you know, you're celebrating one win, but
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  it's the sweetest win that you can celebrate.
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  So yeah, that's your point. That's kind of how I feel about
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  it as well because like all United fans are kind of like
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  obviously loving it, but there's that element of you need to back
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  it up because we've seen it not happen for so long.
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  But then I'm I keep reminding myself you don't win at Anfield
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  often, so fucking enjoy it. So I'm going to enjoy it for at
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  least 20 minutes on this pod before we talk other.
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  I'm enjoying it until next, you know, till Saturday, like.
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  Yeah, exactly. We have to.
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  This is what I've said. Like we know unfortunately too
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  many Liverpool fans, whether it's socially or at work and now
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  you just you can like put your head up.
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  Ron talked about it a couple months ago.
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  It's like it's depressing going into work.
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  Good. Some good memes going around on
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  the socials, you know, just head up high.
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  Yeah, it's a beautiful day. And if Harry Maguire wants to
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  keep bailing out Reuben, don't know how sustainable it is, but
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  yeah, it gives us these moments. So yeah.
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  Have you seen the stat about Mcguire's last six goals
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  I think it's like sort of a few, quite a few winners in there.
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  Yeah, obviously the winner. Wasn't a bailout, but I think
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  it's the narrative, isn't it? Like that McGuire keeps scoring
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  these goals, team. No, I thought we I thought we
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  played well. Let's like let's give the team
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  and Ruben props, right? Like going to Anfield is the
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  toughest test for Manchester United and even last season, you
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  know the 2 two I thought we played well.
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  I don't normally expect like when you don't expect to get on
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  the ball at Hanford, right? I think that's kind of like the
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  blueprint. Even going back to the Fergie
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  days, they say settle the crowd down bit of possession and we
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  were doing a bit of that. There was some nice interplay
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  and I thought we played well. And if anything, you're slightly
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  disappointed to not have a two goal cushion, right?
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  Because you know, it's it's always vulnerable at Anfield.
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  So yeah, I think I thought we played really well, especially
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  that first half. I know obviously Gapco hit the
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  post, but so did Bruno as we mentioned.
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  So I thought, you know, in terms of how you can play at Amford, I
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  thought we played really well in that first half, especially as
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  teaming. You're the same.
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  Yeah, I think tactically as well.
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  So I looked at the team selection.
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  I'm like, ah, he played. He's played, Ahmad, at wingback.
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  Thank God for that. You know, I was really happy.
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  And then, lo and behold, after 2 minutes, Ahmad.
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  Assist. Yeah, assist for Imbumo goal and
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  it was like this is exactly what I wanted to see.
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  And nearly a second assist for Bruno.
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  Right, 'cause it was Ahmad that played it back to Bruno.
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  Great pick out, yeah. Yeah, and this is what I was
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  talking about. Like, you know, have that intent
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  put Ahmad at wingback that you can talk all you want about 3-4
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  three, but the personnel can make a difference.
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  I like, I think a lot of people were disappointed with Cesco not
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  starting, but I thought it made sense to have Cunha and boom, I
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  thought Cunha by the way, for bloody hell, what game?
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  I I told you boys, this guy's good.
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  Yeah, he was he. He was like a machine on his
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  own. Just like holding off 5
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  Liverpool players on his own. Getting foul when?
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  He. Was on the floor and then he
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  still managed to keep the ball on the touchline and character
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  crazy. Character and boomo character
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  this is what I'm saying like let the new guys give give the new
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  guys a bit of time. These are top signings, top
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  players and suddenly you know you're giving them 5 minutes and
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  they've gone to Anfield, the hardest ground to go to that's
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  the real test of character and delivered a top performance and
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  we look at that team sheet, there's clear weaknesses there
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  there's you know, Dallow, not a fan of him.
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  I think he did OK, but I'm not a fan sure as well.
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  You know, think he did OK, but he could be upgraded.
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  Casimiro could only go 55 minutes and he's down with
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  cramp. So you can see there's holes in
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  this squad. But the new guys have come in
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  and they've they've really performed Le Mans as well.
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  I thought composed good save off Isaac, for example, in the
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  one-on-one situation. So really pleased that he got
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  the team selection. I think really right.
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  I got the tactics right as well. Like we basically didn't let
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  them press us. We just went long, dropped off 1
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  and waited for the second ball like had lots of men around that
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  place where the second ball is going to drop and then quick,
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  quick, quick attack from there. And it was it was good.
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  And that that's where the gold came.
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  You saw that kind of challenge. Van Dyke elbows McAllister in
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  the head, which I thought was funny.
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  And then? When McAllister looked like a
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  swimmer for the rest of the game.
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  And then they want the play stop for that, right?
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  Yeah, just a joke done by. But but in slot moaning about
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  all the long balls. It's like, sorry mate, this is,
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  this is the battle, this is a Premier League and I love the
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  fact we were up for a fight. You know, we're not messing
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  around. Klopp used to be the same
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  though, and it's just like change the record, like Bengi
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  used to complain as well. And you know, there's a reason
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  for it, right? Because generally they didn't
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  win the big trophies for that reason.
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  So like, it's the Premier League, so especially this
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  season, right when you got Arteta.
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  And the team top of the table, you know, tossing in balls, set
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  pieces galore. So it's just clearly a thing for
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  this season right inside. And we were winning those second
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  balls. So you've got to fight for them
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  too. You like that's part of the
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  game. So it was, you know, it was
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  scrappy. We're not a team that was
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  keeping in the one field game. We were basically keeping the
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  ball away from them for the first half.
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  And that wasn't the case here. But we were, you know, it was an
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  end to end game. We were challenging them.
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  If they had their chances, it could could have gone either
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  way. And that's why like, you know,
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  you need that first goal to give you the the confidence.
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  But I'm what I'm so proud of is that having conceded, they
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  didn't give up and they kept going.
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  And what a ball from Bruno Fernandez.
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  What the hell? Every time people, you know, go
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  on and on about the deficiencies of Bruno, and then but in one
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  moment he just produces just a moment of magic.
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  He's like, sorry, but you know. Scott, if you're listening, I
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  know you want him to go off to Saudi, but you know, I'm happy
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  with him having been around for another 12 months and giving us
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  that moment of magic. And This is why he's in my
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  fantasy team, because funnily enough, on Friday I was
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  thinking, do I take Bruno out and bring Palmer in?
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  But this is before it was announced.
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  Palmer's out for another six weeks.
• 20:47
  So then I'm looking at the options to replace Bruno.
• 20:49
  And I'm like, who do I want at that price?
• 20:51
  Mark, I'll take Bruno. Have you got?
• 20:54
  Big Bray? Have you got Big Bray?
• 20:55
  I've not. I've not actually.
• 20:57
  I've got Big Bray, yeah. Okay, nice, nice.
• 20:59
  You benefited from the goal from that as well.
• 21:05
  But funnily enough, Ash said to me Friday night half as a joke,
• 21:08
  Oh, you should put him captain. And I considered it for like 10
• 21:12
  minutes, like I can't do that. So I didn't do it, but obviously
• 21:16
  got the assist. But he nearly got the goal as
• 21:18
  well, right? So yeah, not far off a goal and
• 21:21
  assistant. People are keep to I actually
• 21:24
  should do some stats on this. I'll do it for the next part
• 21:26
  just to look this up, but from viewing the game, people are
• 21:30
  saying, oh, Bruno has to play #10 you've got best attacking
• 21:33
  midfield there. Why are we playing him in the
• 21:35
  deep position? He still seems to get in these
• 21:37
  attacking positions. The deficiency of Bruno or the
• 21:41
  the the weakness of him in the central midfield?
• 21:43
  Is your central midfield open? So defensively, I feel we're
• 21:46
  weak and vulnerable. But he's in terms of attacking,
• 21:49
  he still seems to make those runs get on the end of things,
• 21:52
  still create. Because he moves around.
• 21:54
  Perfect demonstration of the weakness of having Bruno in
• 21:59
  midfield is when Gapco hit the post first the first time.
• 22:02
  So ball from Salab takes out the midfield, Gapco one touch past
• 22:07
  the lit and gets a shot off and hits the post.
• 22:09
  That displays the downside of Bruno.
• 22:12
  So yeah, it's fine. Margins, right?
• 22:13
  Exactly. But I think it's, it's, it's we,
• 22:16
  we, we want to see a bit more attacking.
• 22:19
  We want to see the extra attacker on the pitch, right?
• 22:21
  Everyone's going on about, oh, we have to switch to 4231 or
• 22:24
  433, We're lacking the extra attacker.
• 22:26
  And I'm like, no, if you play I'm out at wingback and you play
• 22:29
  Bruno in central midfield, you have 5 really attacking players.
• 22:33
  So I don't think it's a system issue.
• 22:35
  It's about Ruben being brave with his team selection.
• 22:38
  I was so glad when I saw the team sheet, like good on you.
• 22:42
  You've, you've gone brave. We've gone there to try and win
• 22:45
  this game and get get and we, we were aggressive, you know, we
• 22:50
  tried to, to score goals. Inevitably Liverpool just can
• 22:54
  bring off, bring on 100,000,000 LB players off the bench and
• 22:58
  just like pummelled us and put 7 forwards on at the end.
• 23:01
  And it's like, there's only so much you can deal with, right?
• 23:05
  Can we can we talk about that? Can we talk about that period
• 23:07
  before they equalised? Because they were, they were
• 23:09
  kind of coming at us and you could almost feel the equaliser
• 23:12
  coming. But on down the other end we
• 23:15
  were counter attacking and getting into space but we
• 23:17
  couldn't keep the ball and I got really frustrated as Ash will
• 23:20
  attest to that. Kobe Mane wasn't brought on the
• 23:22
  pitch because I felt someone that can take the ball under
• 23:25
  pressure would have been perfect for that moment of the game.
• 23:29
  You know, around the 60th minute and then obviously they got the
• 23:31
  equaliser and then you're thinking shit, right?
• 23:34
  I think most United fans are thinking shit.
• 23:36
  This is only going one way, which obviously made the winner
• 23:40
  even better. But funnily enough, again, I was
• 23:43
  quite pissed off that Kobe hadn't come on not only before
• 23:47
  the equaliser, but then when he equalises, he's even more pissed
• 23:49
  off. And then I saw Kobe and Euro.
• 23:52
  Was it just warming up on the touchline ready to come on?
• 23:54
  Yeah. And I I sent a message and then
• 23:56
  let's kick it off group. Fuck off, Reuben.
• 23:58
  I went for a piss and the next thing I can hear Ash going mad.
• 24:03
  And I missed the I missed the goal because McGuire had scored.
• 24:07
  But that's that's the. D Slide.
• 24:09
  Do you know what was even more funny?
• 24:11
  Like, Raffia just dropped his, like, drink bottle and I had to,
• 24:15
  like, go from the sofa to pick it up.
• 24:19
  And then, yeah, like, just as I'm turning around, like,
• 24:22
  McGuire is just like, heading it and putting it into the corner.
• 24:25
  And then I celebrated and he he got scared.
• 24:28
  So yeah, that's one for the memories.
• 24:31
  But yeah, great ball in from Bruno put it into a dangerous
• 24:34
  area and then Harry McGuire with the winner let.
• 24:38
  Me. Just talk to you about that move
• 24:40
  though, Steve. He didn't bring Kobe on, but he
• 24:43
  puts Cesco on. That's an attacking move, right?
• 24:45
  So instead of he's not saying I need to keep control the game,
• 24:48
  I'm bringing my centre forward on for Mason Mount.
• 24:51
  I'm going to have the big three up front and keep doing the same
• 24:54
  plan. I'm not going to.
• 24:56
  I'm going to let the game stay open.
• 24:58
  They're going to come at us and then we're going to go again.
• 25:00
  We're going to go long so. Yeah, but how are you getting
• 25:02
  the balls to the medium? How are you getting the balls to
• 25:05
  the front three, though? That's long balls.
• 25:06
  That's what we were doing. That's what.
• 25:08
  Literally as as he doesn't rate him.
• 25:10
  Just face facts like for whatever reason he doesn't rate
• 25:14
  him or he can't do what he wants him to do.
• 25:17
  Yeah. Because again, what were the
• 25:19
  tactics of that game was not to keep the ball right.
• 25:21
  Yeah. But that, that moment, that
• 25:23
  moment of the game required so. You would have gone mainly
• 25:26
  instead of Cesco. But what all I'm saying is that
• 25:28
  going Cesco is not a. Bad idea, he I think, if
• 25:32
  anything, Steve, correct me if I'm wrong, probably both.
• 25:34
  Surely you're saying copy for a Garto, right?
• 25:38
  Yeah, just get Kobe on the pitch.
• 25:40
  I'm not even necessarily thinking who for?
• 25:41
  Probably a Garter. Yeah, like just get Kobe onto
• 25:44
  that football field and he will. Help.
• 25:46
  I do understand that, but you also have to understand.
• 25:49
  You, you're a, you're a midfielder.
• 25:51
  Like there's not even a question of like who would you rather
• 25:54
  have on the pitch, especially from a footballing perspective,
• 25:57
  Right? But this is the relevant of long
• 25:59
  balls. I think we go.
• 26:00
  I think we go to another. It depends.
• 26:02
  It depends what you're trying to achieve, which is that if you're
• 26:07
  saying that you're 1 nil up, Manuel Agarte is the guy who
• 26:11
  can, who's got more mobility and can tackle, you know, Kobe Mano,
• 26:15
  a massive fan of his. I want to see him on the pitch.
• 26:17
  But I I sympathise because he brought Cesco on.
• 26:22
  If he didn't bring Cesco on, then I would have been like, oh,
• 26:24
  you're wasting, you know, we should be going for the second
• 26:27
  goal. I still think he was going for
• 26:28
  the second goal, so I have a bit of sympathy.
• 26:31
  I would like to see more of Kobe mainly play football.
• 26:35
  I think he could have brought him on earlier for Bruno is a
• 26:37
  little bit gassed earlier, but he's the captain.
• 26:40
  It was a bit hard right to take him off and Bruno plays the ball
• 26:44
  for Mcguire's header. Yeah, yeah, you have to keep him
• 26:48
  on the pit. You got to keep Bruno on the
• 26:49
  pit. Yeah, you have to keep.
• 26:50
  Him and that's the thing, like you're going to say, OK, play
• 26:52
  Bruno and mania and central midfield.
• 26:55
  It's like it's a bit lightweight in term.
• 26:57
  You know, the legs aren't there. So I understand why we went with
• 27:00
  agarte. I don't think Agarte is a long
• 27:02
  term solution. I think we we I look that's what
• 27:05
  I mean. I look at this squad and go, oh,
• 27:06
  if you upgrade Luke Shaw, Casimiro and Dallow in the next
• 27:10
  window, because we'll I've said this a multi phase, right?
• 27:12
  It's not one window that to me looks like a much better team
• 27:17
  because the the the new guys. I was so impressed.
• 27:20
  I thought Mount did well as well for the 60 minutes it was on the
• 27:23
  pitch. I I still haven't seen the Mason
• 27:26
  Mount of Chelsea. Like I have not seen that yet.
• 27:29
  That's COVID season. He was unbelievable.
• 27:32
  I haven't seen one game at that level yet, but in terms of work
• 27:36
  rate and, and going back to that point of profile, he's more of a
• 27:40
  midfielder. So we we were able to have more
• 27:45
  ability to win those second balls because, you know, Mount
• 27:48
  and Cunha, Brian, Casimiro, Fernandez all clustered in that
• 27:53
  central space. So I think Ruben got the team
• 27:56
  selection right. I understand substitutes we can
• 28:00
  have a debate about. I think that's fair.
• 28:02
  I would have liked to see Kobe earlier as well, but we won the
• 28:06
  game. But we won the game.
• 28:07
  That's all that matters. That's all that matters.
• 28:09
  I got. Any.
• 28:10
  Slide, yeah. We're done.
• 28:12
  And I. Was an idiot in the toilet.
• 28:13
  I missed it. That's there.
• 28:15
  You go? Yeah.
• 28:16
  That's 100. That's.
• 28:17
  The good thing though, that's the story you tell in five years
• 28:20
  time when you're like, yeah, I was, I was having a piss when
• 28:25
  Aaron Maguire scored the winner. Like some of my.
• 28:28
  It's going to be, yeah, it's if five years time when we've won
• 28:31
  the treble, you're going to reminisce about this little
• 28:33
  moment and I'll be like, oh, Steve, do you remember when you
• 28:36
  wanted us to fail so that Ineos could go out and you're
• 28:39
  desperate of us to lose every game and a good old slab head,
• 28:43
  you know, scored that goal at Anfield and that set us off on
• 28:46
  this on the track to come fifth in the season, qualify for the
• 28:50
  Champions League. And that's why we're here now,
• 28:52
  wherever that venue, yes. I tell.
• 28:55
  You we'll be reminiscing with what's his name, is it Faisal
• 28:59
  Islam about how it all started. Do you remember how we were
• 29:03
  talking about how it all started in that Coventry game?
• 29:06
  Sliding doors moments, right? I know when, no, when you tried
• 29:08
  to cajole him into Southgate in Bell, in Bill.
• 29:11
  Sorry, can I just say I've had two of the greatest pisses of
• 29:14
  all time this year. One of them was when Noel was
• 29:17
  playing the master plan at Heaton Park in Manchester, and
• 29:21
  the second one was winning at Anfield.
• 29:23
  So I think that is probably the two of the best you're going to
• 29:26
  get. But Ash, Harry McGuire, yeah, I
• 29:29
  know, obviously I missed it. Like question, and this is for
• 29:33
  both of you. You know, when that game
• 29:35
  started, like I remember Anfield away, even thinking back to like
• 29:40
  Champions League finals. You know, when your heart's like
• 29:42
  beating out of your chest for a big game?
• 29:44
  You know that feeling right, when it's a big game and you can
• 29:46
  feel it pumping. Was was it pumping for you both
• 29:51
  as it would have been in previous years?
• 29:53
  Genuine question, US would you say?
• 29:55
  Yeah, that bad. It was, yeah, badly.
• 29:58
  Yeah. OK, again, goes back to the
• 30:01
  point in in in Ash's case, he doesn't have that emotional link
• 30:05
  to the manager while I do. And therefore that's why I was
• 30:07
  like, it's not just the Liverpool Man United thing.
• 30:09
  It was a it was a Reuben thing and a fan base thing.
• 30:12
  And it was like I was waiting for the pylon of everyone, like,
• 30:16
  you know, coming, coming at me about how this is just all a
• 30:19
  flop. So it was, it was, it was for
• 30:22
  me. I knew this was a big game and a
• 30:24
  big moment. We're talking about.
• 30:27
  We've got the bets, Steve, right?
• 30:29
  Yeah. What's the pizza place called?
• 30:33
  Rudy's. Rudy's other pizza is available
• 30:35
  in Man. You've got that.
• 30:36
  You've got. That's done.
• 30:37
  If you if you've got this, you know we can get the sponsorship.
• 30:39
  Rudy's if you're interested to buy Rudy's.
• 30:41
  I'll pay you out earlier. It's done.
• 30:43
  That's done you but. Do you know what I mean?
• 30:44
  Like for me, this game was can I get, can I get that?
• 30:48
  I might go Margarita. I don't know, Befala.
• 30:50
  We'll see what they have available on the specials menu.
• 30:53
  Bit of dessert thrown in as well.
• 30:55
  So for me there was a lot on the line on this game, not just
• 30:57
  three points. It's the whole atmosphere around
• 30:59
  the club. We had Jim Ratcliffe come out
• 31:02
  and say he wants to give Ruben three years and everyone
• 31:04
  laughing at this comment. He's going to, you know, get get
• 31:06
  3 weeks or less than that, right?
• 31:09
  Because I think our bet was the November.
• 31:11
  I was saying he's he's going to get through to November at least
• 31:15
  and maybe then the international break.
• 31:17
  For me, this was just, yeah, I was nervous.
• 31:19
  I was, it was tense like I was especially as it goes, the game
• 31:26
  developed because I could feel that, oh, we're we're close to
• 31:29
  something special here. And that's why when the goal
• 31:32
  went in, I thought, OK, we're done.
• 31:34
  Right to what? They're going to come.
• 31:35
  Back and that's and that's why I was getting frustrated on the
• 31:37
  6th because you can feel the game is there for the taking.
• 31:40
  That's what you could sense right after the first half and
• 31:42
  that's why I was getting frustrated.
• 31:43
  But Ash, you weren't having that same feeling of yeah, I, I asked
• 31:48
  the question because I was thinking, is it linked to how we
• 31:51
  feel about the manager in the club?
• 31:52
  So, Ash, yeah, it wasn't like a a normal Hamfield feeling for
• 31:56
  you, would you say? No, the the game is always the
• 31:59
  same. It's like the biggest game of
• 32:01
  the season in terms of that part.
• 32:03
  But yeah, just because of the form.
• 32:07
  Yeah, just I didn't have that feeling like in in previous
• 32:11
  years, like if you're talking about like this the Fergie days
• 32:14
  and like we're going for the title even when Liverpool aren't
• 32:17
  involved in the title. Yeah, the the heart is out of
• 32:22
  the chest. But I didn't have that feeling.
• 32:25
  I I had that feeling of just like we can do something today.
• 32:30
  I definitely had that feeling. Do you remember?
• 32:31
  I was chatting to Laura's dad and normally we're like, yeah,
• 32:37
  we're going to get absolutely battered, but I had a feeling we
• 32:40
  could do something. I probably thought draw more
• 32:42
  than anything. Ruben seems to get better
• 32:46
  performances when he's got his back against the wall against,
• 32:50
  especially against big teams. So everyone keeps referencing
• 32:53
  it. But yeah, Arsenal played decent
• 32:56
  enough and obviously last season, the Anfield performance
• 33:00
  I thought was actually a good performance.
• 33:03
  And, you know, this wasn't just like score a goal and then part
• 33:09
  the bus. We created opportunities at one
• 33:12
  nil. Yeah, such a shame because Bruno
• 33:15
  actually hits it very well. But you know, when you're in
• 33:18
  that position, you just you got to score.
• 33:21
  But I was going to say actually like historically, again,
• 33:24
  thinking about this fixture, I can't remember the last time
• 33:28
  United scored like, say four goals and field like three goals
• 33:32
  is very rare. Like we had a little spell in
• 33:35
  the mid 90s of doing that. So really and truly like, you
• 33:38
  know, as we like it in terms of stats, like we normally get one
• 33:42
  or two goals at Anfield to win a game anyway and we have to ride
• 33:46
  our luck, which we did with Gapko here in the posts in both
• 33:51
  halves. But yeah, I thought also we
• 33:55
  actually defended pretty well in terms of like just before they
• 33:59
  scored, like they weren't really hurting us.
• 34:03
  Like, you know, I know they had chances like the Seller 1 and
• 34:07
  things like that, but you have to ride your luck out Anfield.
• 34:11
  But I did want to touch on the goalkeeper because I think the
• 34:13
  biggest compliment and like, I know it's only two games, but I
• 34:16
  don't care if I'm memed up later.
• 34:18
  But I think the biggest compliment I can pay him is we
• 34:23
  didn't we didn't notice him because he just done everything
• 34:27
  correct pretty much right. He he made the saves, You know,
• 34:32
  he even with the ESAC shop is the type of save I would make
• 34:36
  with my. Face Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 34:38
  I think we did notice him because it's such a stark
• 34:40
  contrast to what we've seen. That's what I mean.
• 34:42
  Like I get your. Point though, like it's, it's a
• 34:44
  calming presence, right? That's what we've talked, that's
• 34:47
  what we've talked about and that's what he gave.
• 34:48
  So yeah, I agree. With that, it's the potential,
• 34:50
  right? It's what Edwin van Desaad did
• 34:53
  so many weeks at United like in the season.
• 34:57
  And this is what I'm talking about the limitation of, you
• 35:00
  know, people talk about Reuben and coaching.
• 35:01
  If you've got a guy in goal throwing the ball in the net,
• 35:04
  there's only so much you can do and he.
• 35:07
  May, but he took three weeks to put him in, so that's on him.
• 35:10
  100% and that's why you know you when when Reuben makes those
• 35:16
  selection decisions that haven't worked out, he deserves the
• 35:20
  criticism and that, but I think in this time, give him credit.
• 35:23
  Second game he's played Le Mans. He played a mad at wingback.
• 35:27
  He went Bruno Casimiro aggressive in midfield, played
• 35:31
  played went with the the approach of Cunha and Mbumo and
• 35:36
  mount up up top with dropping Cesco, and it worked and it was
• 35:41
  it worked. Well.
• 35:41
  See, I want to give him a bit of credit, but also went former out
• 35:45
  the main man McGuire right. A lot of people like why is
• 35:47
  Harry playing? And obviously, you know, I
• 35:50
  believe in Harry. I believe in in his ability to
• 35:53
  deal with big moments and Ash has laughed at me many times
• 35:57
  when I talk about his great character and I'm like, I
• 35:59
  genuinely believe this is a guy that's you know, World Cup semi
• 36:03
  finals, finals EUR, you know, scores penalties and shootouts.
• 36:07
  He always steps up. He's limited in some respects,
• 36:11
  but the when the balls were coming into the box that that
• 36:14
  massive forehead was getting on the end of a lot of them and
• 36:17
  then on the other end of it perfect header like it was it
• 36:21
  was it was almost who's about like Duncan Ferguson S great the
• 36:25
  one of the best headers of the ball perfect back where it came
• 36:28
  from. Goalkeeper just stood there and
• 36:31
  the knee slide is always just on point, like the guy just has
• 36:35
  nails. The knee slide, it was
• 36:37
  absolutely wonderful. It's the it's going to be the
• 36:40
  best knee slide in the in the world.
• 36:42
  Yeah, what I love about that celebration.
• 36:44
  Yeah, brilliant knee slide in front of the scouses, first of
• 36:47
  all, and then takes his time, runs over to the United end,
• 36:51
  laps it up like perfect Harry and fair play to him.
• 36:55
  Like, yeah, let's let's give Harry his props.
• 36:57
  We know he's got a lot of stick over the years, as you touched
• 37:00
  on it there. He's not like, you know, a world
• 37:03
  class high elite defender, but he's a very solid defender.
• 37:06
  I think most people would agree with that.
• 37:08
  But more importantly, he was, you know, attacked on social
• 37:12
  media for a good couple years, right?
• 37:14
  And it went, you know, went too far essentially.
• 37:16
  And for him to come back and get the winner at Anfield, yeah,
• 37:21
  fair play to him, Ash. I don't think you'd argue with
• 37:22
  that, would you? No, I mean, I actually said it
• 37:25
  quite a few years ago when I used to like argue with us about
• 37:28
  it. Like the best Harry Maguire that
• 37:31
  you're you're going to get is actually in the back three.
• 37:35
  And I don't know if you remember before the game when we saw the
• 37:38
  line up, I she said I would have done the same.
• 37:42
  I would have put McGuire in the in the middle of that free and
• 37:47
  yeah, I would have actually dropped Euro because even though
• 37:51
  Euro has been promising, he's still 8, you know, he's still
• 37:54
  1819 and like, Anfield is a big game.
• 37:59
  Yeah, I might have got I might have gone with your a bit into
• 38:01
  the shore sure was the one. I was a bit like he hasn't
• 38:03
  played well. So I was, but he which?
• 38:09
  And to be fair, I was. Happy enough with Shore, good on
• 38:12
  Luke Shaw. For maintaining like a run of
• 38:14
  games. Yeah, it's like every game this
• 38:17
  is. I don't know.
• 38:19
  It just seems to be and this is a thing like part of coaching is
• 38:22
  also fitness, isn't it? And some of these guys have been
• 38:25
  constantly injured where I was telling you, I think 10 hugs
• 38:28
  over training these guys right too much.
• 38:31
  They seem to like Mount seems to be Touchwood getting there.
• 38:36
  Luke Shaw seems to be playing more games.
• 38:38
  I think it's going to help that we don't have the midweek
• 38:40
  fixtures, the recovery. I heard they were back at
• 38:42
  Carrington straight after in the ice baths and whatever they do,
• 38:45
  you know, in the new facilities that we'll talk about.
• 38:48
  The Sachim has paid for out the kindness of his heart.
• 38:52
  But yeah, so I think the the fitness of the the players that
• 38:56
  at 70 minutes they looked they're given everything, right?
• 38:59
  They've absolutely given everything.
• 39:01
  So to for me, that character to, to go again, to not think, OK,
• 39:05
  we're done to keep going to win that corner was a good move as
• 39:10
  well as I remember, I think Cunha was it Cunha running
• 39:16
  through on goal to get the corner and then.
• 39:17
  Yeah, I think it was you. Know we were still going for it.
• 39:20
  We're still going, you know, trying to win that game quick
• 39:25
  props actually to the to the corner that led to the goal.
• 39:30
  That was a heck of a strike. I think from the angle I saw it
• 39:34
  might have been going wide, but I definitely like jumped to be
• 39:37
  like, oh, but you know that. That's looking good and boomer,
• 39:40
  right? It was a good, it was like, it
• 39:42
  was like a good corner routine and yeah, like what a cross, you
• 39:49
  know, and. And we and we touched on it, but
• 39:52
  I think yeah, Kenya, especially in those last 1520 minutes,
• 39:56
  that's the best game management I've seen from a United player
• 39:58
  in a long, long time. So that was good to.
• 40:00
  See you have to cheat though as well.
• 40:02
  See, like none, not enough of these players do it.
• 40:05
  And that's that's. What I mean?
• 40:06
  The fans, well, that's what I would Fans loved that yesterday.
• 40:09
  I was like Rooney. I wouldn't call it even game
• 40:12
  game management. It was just like sheer Willis.
• 40:16
  Sheer, like, yeah, 100%. Like I'm just going to take the
• 40:20
  ball, come and get it off me. No, you're not getting it off
• 40:22
  me. That's exactly what you want to
• 40:24
  see as a family. Unbelievable.
• 40:25
  Like just. And wasn't he in Asia as well,
• 40:28
  like on the Internationals? I think he had a long flight
• 40:32
  midweek, yeah, to get back. For it so don't tell me you
• 40:35
  can't do this like pull out the wood like pull out the fire like
• 40:39
  you can. It's not always about what the
• 40:41
  managers cultivating in terms of the dressing room it's in, it's
• 40:46
  in yourself and Kenya can you proved it?
• 40:49
  So big question then as three more years for Reuben is what he
• 40:55
  needs, right to get it right at United.
• 40:58
  Would you agree with that? Think that what Jim was saying,
• 41:03
  this goes back to this Ratcliffe interview, right?
• 41:05
  With the times I haven't actually listened to, I should
• 41:07
  listen to. It.
• 41:08
  I've listened to it, yeah, He only does a couple minutes on
• 41:10
  United. Yeah, I think it's more on the
• 41:12
  business side of things and similar to other previous
• 41:15
  interviews we've done, it's usually like the last 10 minutes
• 41:18
  they cover the football element whether it's Ruben or not.
• 41:23
  I've always said this is a three-year project, you can't
• 41:26
  solve everything in one year. I've mentioned it before with
• 41:32
  our Tetra and Clop and so many other previous pods that you
• 41:35
  know the first year is you sort certain stuff out, then you go
• 41:39
  again in another summer. I've already mentioned the
• 41:41
  players. I think that so it's all about
• 41:45
  recruitment and it's all about better players.
• 41:46
  The difference in this game, if you swap Cunya and Mbumo for
• 41:51
  Anthony and Garnacho, we do not win.
• 41:53
  It doesn't matter who the coach is, I don't care.
• 41:55
  You need better players and whoever is the manager, it's a
• 41:59
  three-year project and I think it's fair enough to say whoever
• 42:02
  that manager is needs a bit of time.
• 42:04
  They still need to deliver results.
• 42:06
  Reuben has to deliver result. This is why this is a big game.
• 42:09
  You. You.
• 42:10
  And he said he said that Jim said that.
• 42:11
  Jim said that is results driven. We've both.
• 42:15
  The thing is with myself and Ash, we both set the same
• 42:18
  target. It's not like we have different
• 42:20
  targets. I've said we want to qualify for
• 42:21
  Europe, he said we need to qualify for Europe.
• 42:23
  I've said about 7, he said about 7:00.
• 42:26
  So we have the same expectation and the same target.
• 42:28
  You cannot finish 15th or whatever we were last season.
• 42:33
  Unacceptable. These these are big games.
• 42:35
  I'm looking at the table now. We played eight games.
• 42:39
  Four of those games are the top 4:00.
• 42:41
  We, we our top 4. So we've had hard fixtures,
• 42:45
  beaten Chelsea, beaten Liverpool.
• 42:48
  We yes, we lost to City and Arsenal, but I think Arsenal, we
• 42:51
  deserved a draw. I think, I think we were the
• 42:53
  better team. And yeah, but that's
• 42:55
  understandable. Like you can lose to Arsenal and
• 42:58
  City. Exactly.
• 42:59
  So now this is this is this and against Brentford, you know,
• 43:04
  like that clearly isn't acceptable.
• 43:07
  I think looking at the fixtures coming up, Brighton next to Old
• 43:12
  Trafford, this is where you now need to really prove yourself
• 43:16
  right. This is a great result.
• 43:18
  Against Liverpool you lose and have we lost our last four games
• 43:22
  against Brighton or something? Last last three games are Old
• 43:24
  Trafford. I know the.
• 43:25
  Bogey team, right? They're a bogey team.
• 43:28
  And this is where you need to now go and show that yes, when I
• 43:32
  say that last year doesn't count and this is a new team with new
• 43:36
  players with with the Cunyas, Cescos and boomers, different
• 43:40
  characters, different quality. Now go and beat Brighton and
• 43:45
  then we'll know, right? And then we've got unfortunately
• 43:48
  Forrester getting Sean Dyson because if I'd had the clown in
• 43:53
  charge then we would have easily won that, I think.
• 43:57
  And then and then a massive game before the international break
• 44:01
  going, going to Spurs, right, Because I don't think Spurs, I
• 44:05
  think Spurs is start of the season has been overrated.
• 44:08
  Personally, I think they've got some good results that haven't
• 44:12
  played that well. And then they lost against Villa
• 44:13
  at the weekend. So if we can, I think these are
• 44:16
  the three games we look at those and go right now.
• 44:19
  Show yourself, boys, you raised it.
• 44:22
  Yes, Coon, you're flying all the way from Brazil and you've,
• 44:24
  you've you've, you know, put gone with the caffeine or
• 44:27
  whatever you've had to like find the extra lever, extra gear.
• 44:31
  Now now, come back to the theatre and deliver us 3 points.
• 44:35
  This is what everyone's saying, right?
• 44:37
  It's really interesting. You know, the journos are saying
• 44:39
  it, as in it's got to be backed up.
• 44:42
  The fans are saying it because obviously we've been let down so
• 44:44
  many times. Even I saw and a little clip put
• 44:48
  out by United. Obviously United are loving it
• 44:50
  on the socials after the game. They're sending out discounts
• 44:53
  for the megastore proper. Lapping it up today, it's a
• 44:56
  little 1 1/2 minute clip as the players walk into the training
• 44:59
  ground. How was yesterday?
• 45:00
  Everyone's buzzing. I really liked what Cesco said.
• 45:03
  We've got to win the next game. He's the only one to say it.
• 45:05
  I noticed Luke Shaw with a full iced coffee.
• 45:08
  That's the second time I've seen him with Gail's iced coffee in
• 45:11
  the space of a week. So I'd like to know what's going
• 45:13
  on behind the scenes there. But yeah, I think everyone is
• 45:16
  saying it right, It needs to be backed up.
• 45:18
  Ashley looks very sceptical when I was getting on this positive
• 45:21
  vibe there. So I'll let you close it off
• 45:22
  before we touch on the ownership stuff.
• 45:25
  Do you think these guys are going to back it up in these
• 45:27
  next few games? I've got to believe that, right?
• 45:31
  I mean, I want this to work, but I've just not seen enough
• 45:34
  evidence so far. So I want it to work.
• 45:36
  I'm I'm buzzing going into Saturday.
• 45:40
  But this is the problem. We we have to find out.
• 45:43
  So if we're here, if we're tune it up after 20 minutes, things
• 45:47
  are looking good. But yeah, like it's literally on
• 45:52
  a game by game basis, almost like in different phases of the
• 45:56
  game, as you know, Steve. But actually my final question,
• 45:59
  Steve, is, is for you, because obviously you're kind of like in
• 46:03
  between both of us in terms of the Reuben stance.
• 46:06
  So given what you saw yesterday, that's probably his biggest
• 46:12
  victory to date. Is that a blueprint of like what
• 46:20
  you would want to see in terms of football?
• 46:24
  Proof is in the pudding my friend.
• 46:27
  It's results. Business right Starmer answer.
• 46:29
  No, no, like I, you know my thoughts.
• 46:32
  I don't think it's going to work out.
• 46:34
  I was pissed off Kobe Mane who didn't come on the pitch.
• 46:37
  But I'll lap up the winner Anfield and I'll get behind it
• 46:40
  and. But also more importantly, so
• 46:42
  look, we all loved yesterday and nothing's ever going to take
• 46:46
  that away from us, even when Kabir starts banging on about
• 46:50
  XG, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just saying if that is
• 46:54
  say, like his pinnacle moment so far and into it in terms of the
• 46:59
  football that you want to see at Old Trafford whenever you go
• 47:02
  back, is that what you want to see?
• 47:05
  Is like is that enough for you? That would be but I think it's
• 47:09
  difficult to judge based on Anfield because it's such a
• 47:13
  anomaly of a game. So in terms of an Anfield but.
• 47:16
  We create good chances, yeah, I'm saying if you could see
• 47:18
  those chances and you see free at the back like free centre
• 47:22
  backs clogging the the penalty area, some weeks you're going to
• 47:25
  see Dalla on the left, some weeks you're going to see Ahmad.
• 47:29
  Some ways you're going to see them as worry is that is that is
• 47:31
  that good enough for you? Like can you if?
• 47:33
  We win for three years. You know me, right?
• 47:35
  I've always said I I take wins. I was a big fan of Jose.
• 47:39
  I'm not wedded to a particular style as a United fan.
• 47:42
  I love counter attacking goals or direct goals like in Boom We
• 47:45
  scored. I'll take Harry Maguire headed
• 47:47
  to win at Anfield or win any game for that matter.
• 47:49
  So. Steve, question, what's your
• 47:51
  target? Results.
• 47:52
  What's your target? Same results, I said to you
• 47:54
  guys. Same as European football, so
• 47:56
  yeah. And I just just for people to
• 48:00
  understand what that that means. That means you are going to lose
• 48:02
  a lot of football matches. It's different when you're going
• 48:04
  for the league that where there are going to be ups and downs.
• 48:09
  And we're kind of, you know, we're tracking closer to where
• 48:12
  we need to be. But we've had a hard start in my
• 48:15
  opinion, for all these first eight games on balance that
• 48:19
  playing the top four in the first eight.
• 48:21
  Therefore in the next 8 + 3, 11 games, we're not going to play
• 48:27
  those top four teams right. It's the rest.
• 48:28
  Of them, there's a big argument to say that we're we're kind of
• 48:33
  on track because yeah, even we're in the top half of the
• 48:35
  league. Are we now?
• 48:36
  Are we? What are we 9th or?
• 48:38
  When 9/13/13 points from eight games is about kind of around
• 48:44
  basically, right? So This is why these next three
• 48:47
  games are really important to show that.
• 48:50
  Can you now string a few words? You don't have to win all of
• 48:53
  them, but you want to get 3 points in the home game against
• 48:56
  Brighton. Then you've got 2 difficult away
• 48:58
  games, Forest and Spurs difficult games.
• 49:00
  If you could win one of those and draw one, suddenly you're
• 49:03
  going, oh. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:05
  You're pushing for Europe. So I think we're in the right,
• 49:07
  We're in the right region. I think you know, and also like.
• 49:11
  How? How are you adapting the bet?
• 49:13
  Now let's say I've won my my rude if we were to do another
• 49:15
  Rudy's put put let's, let's or or what other restaurants are
• 49:19
  what are the good restaurants we have in Manchester?
• 49:21
  We said ashes, right, the Indian top class.
• 49:24
  Yeah. So if you if you were to do
• 49:25
  another bit now for Ruben out, where would you draw the line
• 49:29
  now? I, I genuinely think that result
• 49:32
  on the weekend. I think he's staying the season
• 49:34
  minimum now. Oh.
• 49:34
  Wow, OK, that's a big change. Yeah, yeah, because we always
• 49:39
  said, right. One of the big factors as to why
• 49:41
  Ruben wouldn't get the boot is because it looks bad on Ineos.
• 49:44
  The hierarchy, they've now got enough.
• 49:47
  They've got enough to go with from this, these first 7-8 games
• 49:50
  to just say we'll give him the season.
• 49:53
  So what you're saying is before that game you thought he's gone,
• 49:57
  You put the pizza bit on. After that game, he's lasting
• 49:59
  the whole season. Would you therefore describe
• 50:01
  this game as pivotal? 100 percent, 100% because if we
• 50:06
  lost for nil, right? I reckon he's gone today.
• 50:09
  So when you found the definition of pivotal finally, yeah, do.
• 50:13
  You do you think even if we finish say like 10th, he's going
• 50:17
  to stay in it then just because of.
• 50:18
  That I don't know beyond. I don't know about beyond.
• 50:20
  He's still. The end of the season.
• 50:22
  He's going to get the season, I think minimum.
• 50:24
  Because, OK, I'm saying if we go on another like bad run, even at
• 50:28
  say, Christmas, you. Think he stays.
• 50:31
  I think he rides. I think they'll ride it.
• 50:33
  They'll ride it out now. Yeah, as long as there's, you
• 50:35
  know, a relative chance of getting into Europe of some
• 50:38
  sort, I think they'll ride it out.
• 50:40
  And that brings me on to the closing segment for this pod
• 50:44
  because we had a couple of weeks off, right, international break.
• 50:48
  She thought you'd get a nice few weeks in Sri Lanka, kick back in
• 50:51
  the sun as you had a week off on the pod as well.
• 50:54
  So we're all chilling thinking it's going to be a slow
• 50:57
  Newsweek. And then suddenly Mr Turkey LL
• 51:01
  Sheikh, the boxing guy, very prominent in Saudi, he's done a
• 51:06
  lot of the deals to bring entertainment over to Saudi.
• 51:09
  Riyadh season. AJ has been involved.
• 51:12
  Anthony Joshua, that is Tyson Fury.
• 51:15
  I think he's involved in the Gulf in some degree, darts,
• 51:19
  snooker. So yeah, he's a big, big man in
• 51:23
  the world of sport over in the Middle East.
• 51:26
  And he put a little tweet out saying something along the lines
• 51:30
  of he's heard that there's new investors for Manchester United
• 51:34
  and he hopes they'll be better than the last ones.
• 51:37
  And then obviously, social media blew up.
• 51:39
  And then the next day, I think he had to come out and slightly
• 51:42
  clarify the position that it's not in his home country.
• 51:46
  But yeah, there is new, new investors.
• 51:49
  And then probably a few days later, the talk is a consortium
• 51:54
  in the UAE are preparing a bid. What I read on the latest is
• 52:02
  it's Jamie Jackson from the Guardian.
• 52:03
  So whether you believe it or not is that they are preparing a
• 52:07
  formal approach. A formal approach has not been
• 52:09
  made yet, but apparently they're contacting former United players
• 52:14
  Beckham, Rooney, Rio were name dropped as part of that and
• 52:18
  apparently, yeah, a bid is being prepared.
• 52:20
  So we. Obviously.
• 52:22
  Is this the same Rio who said like Qatar's done?
• 52:25
  It is? Yeah, it's done.
• 52:27
  OK, that's the same Rio. See the rumour mill started.
• 52:29
  I think August was all was obviously a crucial time because
• 52:32
  we knew those drag along rights were coming into play.
• 52:34
  So the ownership talk has started to heat up again.
• 52:38
  I think it's still early days. But even that result I think is
• 52:42
  pivotal for the owners to be honest.
• 52:44
  So I'm not getting excited just yet, but I did always say things
• 52:48
  would start heating up. So yeah, I don't know where
• 52:52
  where it's going to go. We'll have to wait and see.
• 52:54
  But yeah, as any any thoughts as to Ineos?
• 52:57
  And the glaze is potentially cashing out?
• 52:59
  Could you see it happening? I don't think Jim wants to cash
• 53:03
  out for him. This is his legacy.
• 53:05
  But fundamentally, the Glazers still have the majority
• 53:08
  shareholding, right? That's the thing.
• 53:10
  Everyone goes in the US, Ineos, Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe is or Ineos
• 53:15
  are the biggest shareholder. But if you put the Glazer family
• 53:17
  shares together, right, they are the majority shareholder.
• 53:22
  And I think therefore that if a, the, the drag on clause
• 53:26
  essentially means that if they get a bid that matches that
• 53:29
  initial valuation, is it $33 per share that Jim has the matching
• 53:34
  option? But you know, they could, he
• 53:38
  could be bought out essentially, right, If he can't come up with
• 53:41
  the with the cash. Yeah, we'll see what happens.
• 53:46
  For me it's a lot of noise. I've always said to you I don't
• 53:50
  believe sake, just just him exists.
• 53:51
  I still don't believe he exists. I do think he was an AI or
• 53:55
  equivalent. I think it was all bullshit.
• 53:57
  And I know you were like oh he's from Qatar.
• 53:59
  You don't need proof of funds. That's not how.
• 54:02
  As someone who works in finance, I can tell you that's not how
• 54:04
  finance works. If you want to buy something for
• 54:07
  5 billion, you need to prove that you have 5 billion.
• 54:10
  You don't just get your Dick. Out as well on that, Don't
• 54:13
  worry, I'm going to ask him. If you don't, Steve, yeah, I'm
• 54:17
  sorry, but but like, if you want to buy something and you're
• 54:19
  serious, like, yeah, you, you show who you are and you, you,
• 54:23
  you know, you put your you put your bid in properly and you go
• 54:25
  for it. For me.
• 54:29
  Again, this could just be a lot of noise and fluff.
• 54:32
  We'll see what happens. I don't want to get to involved
• 54:36
  in it. You know, I'm not a fan of that
• 54:38
  root of the sovereign wealth. It doesn't sit well with me.
• 54:41
  I don't like Saudi as a country. I don't like the UAE as a
• 54:45
  country. I don't like the people that run
• 54:47
  those countries. I don't like the things that
• 54:49
  they stand for. What about Jim Ratcliffe?
• 54:53
  Jim. Jim Ratcliffe.
• 54:54
  I I don't have. He's just another average
• 54:57
  billionaire to me. I quite like him.
• 54:59
  He. He what?
• 55:00
  About him revealing the fact that he's going to be meeting
• 55:03
  Nigel Farage ahead of Christmas. Yeah, that's the thing.
• 55:06
  He said you're a typical billionaire who I who I, who I
• 55:08
  don't like for their billionaire states.
• 55:10
  But as a person, when I listened to him in an interview, like,
• 55:13
  yeah, you're right, we've hadn't heard any.
• 55:14
  I hate the Glazers. This whole, you know, I think
• 55:17
  you did it. Did you do a survey on on our
• 55:19
  WhatsApp group on Glazers versus and what was the results in the
• 55:23
  end? What was the first question and
• 55:25
  what were the options and what were the results?
• 55:28
  Yeah. So essentially it was how, how
• 55:31
  do you think Ineos had been performing?
• 55:33
  And I'd done a scale from basically bad to good, like 5
• 55:37
  options. And the majority, I mean, you
• 55:39
  know, there wasn't loads that responded, but the majority.
• 55:42
  So I think there was around 12 responses and eight said awful,
• 55:48
  worse than the Glazers. Yeah, I just think these eight
• 55:51
  people are idiots, right? Whoever you are, if you're
• 55:53
  listening, you know, oh, and one, OK, one here.
• 55:58
  I mean, I just don't understand that how, how, how can it be?
• 56:01
  How can it be worse than the guys who put 500 million of debt
• 56:05
  or more on our club and basically did all?
• 56:08
  These other because because this one is had disastrous sporting
• 56:13
  results and gutted the club and gutted the culture, gutted
• 56:17
  everything because. They're in a rebuild.
• 56:19
  That's how you do a rebuild. You gut things out and you
• 56:21
  rebuild them. No, not to this extent.
• 56:23
  And, and can you prove the counterfactual?
• 56:25
  If the glazes were also in charge, it wouldn't have even
• 56:28
  been any worse. It's just.
• 56:29
  Yeah, I can actually. I can actually.
• 56:30
  Also, I've got you just making. I've run a.
• 56:34
  Simulation. I've run a simulation.
• 56:37
  No, you can't. You're so obligated to put that
• 56:39
  300 million in. That was part of the IT wasn't
• 56:42
  like Jim just like gave a cheque and just like, Oh yeah, this is
• 56:45
  it. I've got 18 years of evidence of
• 56:47
  the Glazer. For the for the shares and that
• 56:49
  and that was it. It's.
• 56:50
  Called no, it's called equity investment, one of the Glazer.
• 56:53
  Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 56:55
  Extra money that. You're saying no, I'll say it's
• 56:57
  all obligated. Can we prove the alternative?
• 56:59
  Yes, we had the alternative 18 years.
• 57:02
  The last 10 years have been without Fergie.
• 57:04
  So don't give it the Fergie excuse.
• 57:05
  The Glazer's always finished between 1st and 8th.
• 57:09
  Under Ineos we finished 15th and lost the European finance for
• 57:12
  Spurs. So there's your proof my.
• 57:14
  Friend managed by Ange, The Biggest Loser.
• 57:17
  Going yeah, I I don't accept that because you just don't know
• 57:20
  what would have happened. What, you mean we've got the
• 57:24
  evidence? No, because So what?
• 57:26
  We would have got relegated instead of finishing 15th under
• 57:29
  the Glazers? Possibly, yeah.
• 57:31
  You just don't know because The thing is the club has been on a
• 57:33
  downward. Then you just don't know.
• 57:34
  You could become a billionaire tomorrow then.
• 57:36
  Before the Ineos situation came in, I was telling you guys we
• 57:40
  are in big, big trouble. Post COVID, yeah, no, but we
• 57:46
  were whoever the owner was. And I was telling you guys, we
• 57:49
  need new ownership. We are in big trouble, big
• 57:52
  financial trouble. Also.
• 57:53
  We were being run unbelievably poorly.
• 57:56
  Yeah, you can say that we've had one season of bad results, yes,
• 58:00
  but that. Not bad, not bad, awful.
• 58:03
  Disastrous. Yeah, absolutely disaster.
• 58:06
  That doesn't mean it couldn't. It couldn't have been worse and
• 58:09
  I don't understand how. It wouldn't have been worse.
• 58:11
  Come on. It wouldn't have been worse it.
• 58:12
  Was to relegate there's ten years of place as evidence.
• 58:15
  Been relegated. There's ten years of evidence.
• 58:18
  They were running on the fumes of Fergie when when Fergie left.
• 58:22
  Not come on, not even 10 Hog. This is like 2 years ago. 10 Hog
• 58:25
  finished third. That was a purely of the glazes
• 58:28
  and Fergie was long gone and we'd recycled multiple players
• 58:31
  out of the club. So you can't.
• 58:33
  You can't say that's running. Off the things that 10 Hog did
• 58:37
  are the reason we finished 15th. That's the thing you guys can't
• 58:40
  understand. The signings of the Antony's and
• 58:43
  the Casamiros are. No, no.
• 58:45
  The Hoylands, The Hoylands, The Hoylands.
• 58:47
  You pick Toyland over cane. You pick Toyland over Cane.
• 58:52
  One part we're going to have to go through this because you keep
• 58:54
  saying the same thing and I'm like, I, I, I, I don't bother
• 58:57
  with it because you're just a kid to me.
• 58:58
  You're a child is being immature.
• 59:00
  I never picked Toyland over Cane.
• 59:01
  We'll go through it properly. I obviously said we should buy
• 59:05
  Kaiser or Rice in that window. I didn't know who Rasmus
• 59:08
  Highland was, so they keep going on.
• 59:10
  So why? Why would you recommend him?
• 59:11
  Why would you recommend him? Overcame, then I didn't.
• 59:14
  That's what I mean. You've made this up.
• 59:16
  I've sent the receipts, Toyland was.
• 59:18
  I've sent the receipts. Backed him.
• 59:20
  I've sent the receipts. I've sent the receipts.
• 59:23
  You said like pay the money. You were like I've sent the
• 59:25
  receipts. I've sent the receipts.
• 59:26
  Argument about it that I that I went before we signed Toyland.
• 59:29
  Oh, you we should sign this guy called literally mate.
• 59:32
  You, you actually you were with you.
• 59:34
  We did a spreadsheet. We said we should sign Taram as
• 59:36
  a striker to back up Marcus Rashford, who should become the
• 59:39
  main striker, right And we should sort out central midfield
• 59:43
  and to this day we should sort out central midfield.
• 59:46
  So this is the thing. The decision making previously
• 59:50
  was poor. For the first time any of us
• 59:53
  have had a proper window with a structure in place.
• 59:55
  We've what just gone to Anfield that that Brian and Boomo and
• 59:59
  Matthias Cunya and our Newman Lamongs have delivered
• 1:00:04
  beautifully. Give it a bit of time.
• 1:00:07
  Let's be positive. We've got a new stadium that
• 1:00:10
  might that is still. Being worked on all these years
• 1:00:12
  of glazes, they didn't even look at the same design.
• 1:00:15
  I've literally yeah, but they're actually trying.
• 1:00:18
  They're trying and they've literally got, as I mentioned
• 1:00:21
  post this Anfield game, gone back to the brand new 50 million
• 1:00:25
  Carrington, gone into their new ice baths and now they were
• 1:00:28
  complaining about. Obligated.
• 1:00:31
  I think you're missing the point.
• 1:00:32
  It was it's it was part of the investment.
• 1:00:35
  It was money saying it's obligated.
• 1:00:37
  So like they had to do it like otherwise they wouldn't have the
• 1:00:39
  shares. This is not the point.
• 1:00:42
  Part of the bid was to say I want investment.
• 1:00:45
  Jim has provided Cash, Cash, but.
• 1:00:48
  They would have got it from somewhere else if would.
• 1:00:51
  You preferred private equity or more debt.
• 1:00:53
  Is that what you want? Well, is that what you want?
• 1:00:55
  I don't know. I don't know if this is that
• 1:00:57
  much better given what you've done to the club.
• 1:01:00
  Well, if you recognise that the club is if you want, if you
• 1:01:03
  want. To recognise the culture of the
• 1:01:05
  clubs being destroyed. If we had someone, we have
• 1:01:08
  someone in the inside track within like, you know, like the
• 1:01:11
  building industry who told us how NES gutted, you know, all
• 1:01:16
  these like sites that they took over in the 90s.
• 1:01:20
  And that guy said he's doing exactly the same at Old Trafford
• 1:01:24
  with a football club. You've even had Kiera McGuire
• 1:01:26
  say that he's managing Manchester United like a
• 1:01:30
  chemicals plant. So how can you not recognise
• 1:01:33
  that you're the one who seems to?
• 1:01:35
  Recognise that, but I won't change.
• 1:01:37
  I feel that we've been an old decrepit organisation living in
• 1:01:40
  like a as a club and not a proper business.
• 1:01:42
  And this and I agree, he's gone too far.
• 1:01:44
  He's made too many harsh decisions.
• 1:01:46
  But as many cuts as he's made, you know what we'll do on the
• 1:01:49
  next pod, We'll come up a list of all the new hires.
• 1:01:51
  He's hired a lot of new people as well.
• 1:01:53
  He's bought in new societies as well in Man City people.
• 1:01:56
  We'll go through that in we'll go through that in the next pod.
• 1:01:59
  We'll talk about it in depth. We're going to talk about the
• 1:02:02
  you know, you can joke about the stadium, but at least there's an
• 1:02:05
  attempt. The glaze is let let.
• 1:02:07
  There's rats running around. They put a designer, they put a
• 1:02:12
  designer after. What if the glaze is done
• 1:02:14
  without Trafford? Nothing Look, you know my
• 1:02:17
  opinion on that, right? I'm one of the biggest fans of
• 1:02:20
  old traffic. What do they do with carrying
• 1:02:21
  what the Glazers have done is is disgrace like, but in terms of
• 1:02:25
  the stadium, it's like they put the designs out in March.
• 1:02:29
  A fucking idiot could have told you that you can't do a few of
• 1:02:33
  the things that they try to do, and I like that.
• 1:02:36
  So then so them trying to be like, now we're going to read
• 1:02:40
  and look, you're going to say, oh, good on them, but what's the
• 1:02:45
  point? It's like saying like, let's go
• 1:02:46
  for the moon and you know, I don't have.
• 1:02:49
  Pressure on the. How am I going to go?
• 1:02:51
  But how am I going to get to the moon without rocket fuel?
• 1:02:54
  And that's what they're doing with like, even with this
• 1:02:56
  design, it's like. Because you know, you come up
• 1:02:59
  with some French tangent freight freight company with the land
• 1:03:02
  that that we need to to buy putting Rep pressure.
• 1:03:04
  Around these are the. Guys in the government to yeah.
• 1:03:07
  But yeah, but these guys have done that, right?
• 1:03:09
  Like they put the pressure on the government, the government
• 1:03:11
  working. On the bottom, and I think
• 1:03:13
  there's my thought, I think part of the rumours around this
• 1:03:15
  investment could be around stadium.
• 1:03:17
  Yeah, it might not be buying the club.
• 1:03:19
  It could be they look gone to the Middle East and go right,
• 1:03:21
  we're trying to build a new stadium.
• 1:03:23
  Do you want to, you know, partner in some way to get
• 1:03:26
  financing? Because it's going to cost a lot
• 1:03:28
  of money, going to have lots of different.
• 1:03:31
  Finances, that's a big possibility and also they've
• 1:03:33
  just, you know, just put a survey out to season ticket
• 1:03:36
  holders and they've asked about loads of options like would you
• 1:03:39
  be willing to pay a licence to have your seat?
• 1:03:43
  So possibly these survey results will feed into the investment in
• 1:03:47
  terms of, you know, going out to investors and saying, Oh yes, we
• 1:03:49
  have got X amount of season ticket holders willing to do
• 1:03:52
  this. So there's stuff happening in
• 1:03:53
  the background. So I think, yeah, it's its own.
• 1:03:55
  Podcast, you just need a bit of time.
• 1:03:57
  We'll discuss it in more depth yeah as it as it develops.
• 1:04:02
  But you know the whole 3 year thing it's seriously it's I said
• 1:04:06
  with the staging, I said to you guys, it's 10 years.
• 1:04:09
  It's not five years. They're staying five years, but
• 1:04:11
  it's going to take 10. But if it gets built in 10, I
• 1:04:13
  take it. Yeah, of course I take 10 years.
• 1:04:16
  And also it's what's the goal rate?
• 1:04:18
  Minimum three years to win the league, possibly longer.
• 1:04:20
  But you know, in the meantime, we want competence.
• 1:04:22
  And it was not competent last year.
• 1:04:24
  There's signs it could be competent this year.
• 1:04:26
  Let's not get too excited. Let's beat Brighton on the
• 1:04:29
  weekend and let's go from there. Take it game by game, right as
• 1:04:32
  the old adage goes. Yeah, and I assume Steve, you,
• 1:04:36
  you, you love your boxing and you love your Middle Eastern
• 1:04:39
  money. So you're, you're, you're
• 1:04:41
  getting excited about this potential.
• 1:04:44
  I'm not getting too excited. I think it's early days, but I
• 1:04:47
  always said wait, wait and see this season because I always
• 1:04:51
  thought there was new investors come in and I still think the
• 1:04:53
  finances of the club aren't great.
• 1:04:54
  They're obviously better because they've reduced the cost base
• 1:04:57
  through the redundancies etcetera.
• 1:04:59
  But there's still a lot of debt on the club.
• 1:05:01
  We're not making profit. Any of these core businesses are
• 1:05:04
  failing. Well, you know, reducing in
• 1:05:07
  terms of profit, you know, they're, they're not paying
• 1:05:10
  dividends, for example. So yeah, I was, you know, I'd
• 1:05:12
  say there's, it's a, it's a murky world out there right now.
• 1:05:16
  So I think something could happen, but we'll have to wait
• 1:05:19
  and see. So.
• 1:05:20
  Give your mate Eddie Hearn a call.
• 1:05:22
  He he knows, right? I told you, Steve, didn't I like
• 1:05:25
  when you were banging on about Qatar and you know, fake shake
• 1:05:28
  Jaseem, I was like, actually your best chance is Saudi and
• 1:05:33
  there's no smoke without fire in terms of like, why would you put
• 1:05:37
  that tweet out? That's all I'm saying.
• 1:05:38
  Like I'm a bit like with us in that, to be honest, we've seen
• 1:05:43
  this before as well, whether it's I think Saudi have been
• 1:05:46
  linked to us before. I think it was about 20/12/13
• 1:05:49
  time. Abraham's got big links.
• 1:05:54
  Abraham Glaze has got big links into Saudi, but I'm kind of
• 1:05:57
  curious that he's put these tweets out.
• 1:06:00
  So I feel like something might be like coming up, maybe it
• 1:06:04
  might be, it might be in a year or two, because he's going to go
• 1:06:08
  after everything. He's going to go after Formula
• 1:06:11
  One. He's obviously got goal.
• 1:06:13
  He's got tennis by the balls. And yeah, he's obviously done a
• 1:06:17
  deal with Eddie Hearn on the boxing and the darts and
• 1:06:20
  sneakers. So Saudi are coming and if it
• 1:06:25
  funds the stadium and gives me. The best football.
• 1:06:28
  Team on the in the world, I don't like them as a country and
• 1:06:31
  what they stand for, but I I need my Man United back.
• 1:06:36
  So yeah, I mean, I, I did, I do think, yeah.
• 1:06:40
  It was weird for him to put it out unless there's something
• 1:06:42
  happening, so that's the only thing I'm taking from it really.
• 1:06:46
  But what's interesting is I'm sure you've seen the clip of
• 1:06:48
  Fergie and Kenny Dagley sharing chocolate buttons at Anfield.
• 1:06:53
  Have you seen it? Did you see?
• 1:06:56
  Did you see who? Did you see?
• 1:06:57
  Who was sitting? In front of them.
• 1:07:00
  No one, no one noticed that I saw.
• 1:07:02
  It on Twitter today it was Brian Glaser.
• 1:07:05
  Sitting in front of them so, you know, they're still prominent.
• 1:07:08
  I couldn't recognise Brian Grey in the line.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah, I was going to say I didn't see.
• 1:07:12
  The Ineos lot I just didn't see Hazard.
• 1:07:14
  There, it's Havy that looks. It's Havy that looks like a
• 1:07:17
  freak. Isn't it so Yeah, but he just
• 1:07:20
  just quickly on Ineos strikes Steve.
• 1:07:22
  I don't know if we've. Touched upon it on previous pods
• 1:07:24
  the fact that Jason Wilcox is saying that when he joined
• 1:07:28
  United he didn't realise how big we were that worries me yeah
• 1:07:31
  well I've I've got a load more to say but I'm going to save it
• 1:07:34
  for the next pod because we're. Going to do a deep dive into
• 1:07:36
  this ownership situation, the structural international break.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah. What's What's your view on
• 1:07:41
  chocolate buttons, by the way? Solid.
• 1:07:45
  I'm not. I think they're.
• 1:07:46
  OK, I think I can be better. Fergie, Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Dairy Milk. Though, right, we've had this.
• 1:07:51
  Discussion solid. Solid.
• 1:07:53
  It's it's, it's fair, fair. But yeah, it's quite.
• 1:07:56
  Basic for a for a for a villier, isn't it Filling out the
• 1:07:59
  chocolate buttons? I love that.
• 1:08:01
  Well, that's because Jim took his salary away.
• 1:08:04
  Yeah, exactly. Can't afford anything.
• 1:08:06
  He was on the hotel chuckle. Out before that?
• 1:08:08
  Yeah, exactly. Right.
• 1:08:10
  We'll wrap it up there. Look.
• 1:08:12
  We won at Anfield. It's been a long time coming.
• 1:08:15
  I'm going to finish my cake up. The fucking Reds.
• 1:08:19
  We'll see you on the next podcast.
• 1:08:21
  Hopefully. We've beaten Brighton and we may
• 1:08:24
  just have a very interesting guest on the next podcast.
• 1:08:28
  So you have to tune in for that one.
• 1:08:30
  So thanks for listening and we'll catch you on the next one.