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- 0:00Welcome to unspoken career truths.
- 0:02I'm Cara Wood. And I'm Lauren Levac Gilbert
- 0:05and. We're here to be the Co workers
- 0:07you can trust. All right, and welcome back to
- 0:11Skills Month. I am both excited and nervous
- 0:16for this topic. This is something I really,
- 0:19really like and most people don't like.
- 0:20So networking. Yay, everybody's favorite thing,
- 0:27meeting people, learning about their career, growing the people
- 0:30you know, inside the inside your own organization and outside of
- 0:34it, just chatting and talking and meeting strangers.
- 0:38Carl, what is your first reaction to that?
- 0:41I I take a very like regimented approach usually when I'm
- 0:46networking. I just want to know that I am
- 0:50doing it right and I have an outcome.
- 0:53So I have a lot of techniques that I've tried to make me feel
- 0:56like it's going to be OK. It's not so scary to talk to
- 1:00strangers. Amazing.
- 1:02We're going to talk about that. But I think your reaction, Cara,
- 1:06is probably the reaction that most people have about
- 1:09networking. And I think when I say network
- 1:13networking, a lot of people like either roll their eyes or
- 1:15they're like, no, I don't want to talk about that or I don't
- 1:16want to go to the networking event.
- 1:17Don't ask me. And I.
- 1:20I am an extrovert. Like, listen, I understand that.
- 1:23And this is actually like kind of my job.
- 1:26So it fits really well into kind of me and my personality.
- 1:29But I also think there needs to be like a reframe and how people
- 1:33think about networking. Because to your point, Cara, a
- 1:35lot of people kind of approach networking as like, OK, I'm
- 1:39going to go and I need to like get a favor or I need to ask
- 1:43someone for something or I need to meet one person for this
- 1:46exact reason. And I really kind of challenge
- 1:50everyone to reframe it more is just like learning about people
- 1:54and building relationships. It does not have to have an
- 1:58outcome. It doesn't have to just be when
- 2:00you're looking for a job and it should be something that you
- 2:05focus on just throughout the year because you never know if
- 2:10the person that you meet will have some sort of impact either
- 2:13on your career or your work or you can learn something from
- 2:16them. And I think that's fair.
- 2:18And as soon as I start to think about just the simple act of
- 2:23following up, asking for someone's contact information,
- 2:26remembering something about them, I love that stuff too.
- 2:30That's easy for me. That comes naturally to
- 2:32introduce or connect or give someone a resource once we've
- 2:35talked about something. But that I that networking night
- 2:40is one of the like most satisfying nights to go,
- 2:42actually, I can't make it. And so I do think there's
- 2:46something about the pressure of it feeling like it's the
- 2:50dedicated thing you're doing instead of the natural curiosity
- 2:53that you have about just people you can meet in your industry.
- 2:57Yeah, and just chat. It's funny you say that.
- 2:58I was at a conference with like 15 other people and you got to
- 3:03kind of pick your track and pick what you wanted to do.
- 3:05And there was this like speed dating thing and I chose to go
- 3:08to it and I was the only one. And I like went back to the
- 3:11group and they're like, where'd you go?
- 3:12I was like speed dating. And they were all like, why?
- 3:14And I was like, well, I really like that.
- 3:16Like you can. There's a lot of value in it.
- 3:18And I personally have seen the value in my career.
- 3:21Like every job that I've ever gotten was through a connection
- 3:25that I've met. And again, this is my job.
- 3:28So like I do it everyday. But like I met this woman at a
- 3:31conference two years ago and she recently reached out to me and
- 3:35she was like, hey, I'm doing this project and it perfectly
- 3:37aligns like with my research and what I'm working on.
- 3:40And we had this great conversation.
- 3:41We're going to collaborate on something, but I literally had
- 3:43dinner with her out of networking at a conference two
- 3:47years ago, right? So like you never know how
- 3:50that's going going to kind of come to fruition and how you're
- 3:53going to get connected. But I have so many of those
- 3:56examples. But Cara, I'm curious, where
- 3:58have you seen in in your life your career, networking be
- 4:02beneficial? Absolutely.
- 4:04Well, I started my career in journalism, so you actually have
- 4:07to be a great networker and question asker.
- 4:10And I think for again, for the people like me who are listening
- 4:13saying, Oh yeah, this is super uncomfortable.
- 4:15I would never sign up for a speed dating at an event.
- 4:19The journalism thing and the asking questions thing is a nice
- 4:23shortcut to networking because it gives you a reason to talk to
- 4:26someone. And if you're not a journalist,
- 4:28you still have a reason to talk to someone.
- 4:29Just ask them something about their lives.
- 4:32Just last week, I, you know, was the person who was like, OK, no,
- 4:36give me your e-mail address because you talked about, you
- 4:40know, how well you sketch cats and now I need to know you.
- 4:42So there's always different reasons to like, get to know
- 4:46people. And you're so good at asking
- 4:49questions, Cara, like you're, you're just so good at like
- 4:51really kind of listening, actively listening and asking a
- 4:54question and like being engaged. So I give you a huge kudos for
- 4:57that. Well.
- 4:58And I think that like for again, for people, there's a, there's a
- 5:01couple of shortcuts when you are someone who's maybe a shy, you
- 5:05want to make it not about you or you're worried about the
- 5:07impression you're making on people.
- 5:08And the way to get over that is to ask questions, to carry a
- 5:13notebook, to write a couple things down just like a little
- 5:15official. And suddenly you, you don't have
- 5:20to make it about you and your personality.
- 5:22And most people like talk about themselves, they're just ask
- 5:24them questions and they'll keep going.
- 5:26That's the best technique for networking.
- 5:28I looked up some stats because I'm so I was so in love with
- 5:31networking. 70 to 85% of jobs are filled through networking
- 5:36rather than public job postings. That's been my definitely my
- 5:39personal experience. And there's something called the
- 5:42hidden job market, which is exactly what we're talking
- 5:45about, where up to 80% of jobs are never even advertised.
- 5:49And another study found that employees who actively network
- 5:51inside their organization are 40% more likely to be promoted.
- 5:55So we're going to talk a bit about the different elements of
- 5:58networking. There's networking inside your
- 6:00current company if you're at a company and also networking
- 6:03externally. I'm so interested in that stat
- 6:06and I never would have thought of that.
- 6:07But you're absolutely right. There is so much value in you
- 6:13spending time to get to know your Co workers.
- 6:16You find out so much more about what's happening inside the
- 6:19company and how decisions are made.
- 6:21Like I love learning things about other departments and just
- 6:28like making friends at a job. That's great.
- 6:31And I'm curious actually about, I know you've been thinking a
- 6:35lot about like the impact of AI and we've talked a lot about
- 6:39hybrid workplaces. And so I'm sure we're getting to
- 6:42this, but like how networking has changed with all of this
- 6:45tech. So much.
- 6:47I mean, I think in a lot of ways it's made networking easier, but
- 6:50it's also made networking much harder.
- 6:52And you need to be much more intentional about it in a hybrid
- 6:55world because you can't just stop by someones desk and have a
- 7:00chat or see them at the water cooler.
- 7:02So you really kind of need to make time and space for it.
- 7:05And that's one of the things that I definitely suggest.
- 7:08Like I actually again, it's my job, but I have dedicated time
- 7:12on my calendar to meet with people.
- 7:14So if you're someone who wants to get better at networking,
- 7:19hasn't really spent any time on networking or hasn't just wants
- 7:22to kind of fit it into your schedule, like block 30 minutes
- 7:25on your calendar and message a couple people on LinkedIn, you
- 7:28have to be really intentional about putting it in.
- 7:30Otherwise, it'll really kind of fall on the bottom of the list
- 7:34if you want to really kind of build up your networking.
- 7:38And networking can mean a lot of different things.
- 7:40So it's a broad topic. You can go to conferences, you
- 7:43can go to cocktail hours. And that's how a lot of people
- 7:46think about like networking, like going to a networking event
- 7:48or doing speed dating, But there's also sending people
- 7:51emails, setting up Zoom chats or coffee chats.
- 7:54There's so many different ways that you can infuse networking
- 7:58into what you do today. And if you're someone who's just
- 8:01starting out, I encourage you to like start small, right?
- 8:03Like don't go for the 30 minute coffee chat, like send a
- 8:07LinkedIn post or engage with someone's content on LinkedIn
- 8:11and just write like a little comment.
- 8:12Depending on what you want to get out of it.
- 8:15If there's is anything that you want to get out of it, like a
- 8:18job, you might need to do more things like coffee chats or
- 8:22actually connections versus engaging out just LinkedIn.
- 8:26Yeah, one of the last networking events I went to, which was
- 8:29actually really great, was like here in Boston, the city runs
- 8:32these startup meetings and it was super organized.
- 8:35People had like name tags, so you knew a topic that you could
- 8:39talk to. And there were a lot of people
- 8:40there who were really early in their careers.
- 8:44And it was really energizing to see like how many people had
- 8:47just sort of shown up. So I think to your point around
- 8:50tech making it easier and harder because a lot of people are
- 8:53working remote sometime, I'm seeing, again anecdotally that
- 8:58more people are showing up in person for like these little
- 9:01opportunities now. So the event space has exploded
- 9:04after COVID. I mean, people crave
- 9:06interaction, people crave in person stuff because there's
- 9:09there's serendipity in in person events, right?
- 9:12Like I was just at a conference, excuse me.
- 9:14And it was amazing because I, I literally was in the bathroom
- 9:17washing my hands next to someone and I'm, we just kind of struck
- 9:21up a conversation and she happened to be someone who I was
- 9:24working on a project that was related to something I was
- 9:27doing. And now we're fast friends,
- 9:28right? Like you wouldn't have, you
- 9:30wouldn't have those moments otherwise.
- 9:32And so I think there's a beauty in the mix of both.
- 9:34It's definitely much more on the advanced level of networking in
- 9:39the in person events if you're not as comfortable, but it's
- 9:43about finding ways, whether it's, hey, can you go into the
- 9:46office for a day if you're fully remote or is there a conference
- 9:50in there in your industry? Is there a group in your city
- 9:54that you can go to? Do you want to start something?
- 9:57I'm a big person about that. Like I love bringing people
- 10:00together, but that's what I really enjoy.
- 10:02So just finding places where you can infuse that kind of in
- 10:05person element. Yeah.
- 10:07And I think it honestly also really helps or makes it easier
- 10:10if it's just something that you're passionate about.
- 10:13So even if it's a networking event that is at your favorite
- 10:17restaurant or like about your favorite food or the speaker is
- 10:19a topic that you've just been really excited about, there's
- 10:21different. Ways of networking weather
- 10:23personally or professionally and from a professional setting.
- 10:26I know I mentioned kind of the internal networking and the
- 10:29external networking and I want to dig into that a bit because
- 10:31like Carl, like you said, that internal piece is really
- 10:34important. So in your current organization
- 10:37today you might be in, I'm making this up a finance
- 10:40function, but do you know someone in supply chain or R&D
- 10:44or marketing or sales? And actually meeting people
- 10:48inside your organization is really important for a couple of
- 10:51different reasons. The first one being if you ever
- 10:53want to move to a different function, super helpful to get
- 10:56to know what they do or how they work.
- 10:59If you are in a cross functional role, it's really important for
- 11:03you to kind of build relationships with those people
- 11:06so that they understand how you can work together and how you
- 11:09can work on specific projects or campaigns or things like that.
- 11:13And then from like a leadership development standpoint, a lot of
- 11:17organizations kind of measure people on their like 360
- 11:21interactions, so how they interact with all people at the
- 11:24company, even outside of the people that you work with.
- 11:27So it's super helpful, helpful to just get that broader
- 11:30perspective and to ask people about specific feedback that
- 11:35might not be in your day-to-day and might not be working with
- 11:38you in the same way that your teammates are.
- 11:40So it's another way to really kind of gather great feedback
- 11:43and understand how you're interacting with people outside
- 11:46your organization. Yeah, I, I totally agree.
- 11:50I, like I said, I I hadn't occurred to me that that was
- 11:53even part of networking, but you're absolutely right.
- 11:57Again, there are lots of ways to do that.
- 11:59There is just additional follow up you can do once you're in a
- 12:02meeting with someone, following up with them, thanking them for
- 12:06some insight, asking them a follow up question that's
- 12:09related or not related to the project could be a great
- 12:11conversation starter so that you're, you know, regularly just
- 12:15getting a sense of that person and connecting and sharing and
- 12:18getting to know what they care about.
- 12:21This is one that I know is like a bold step for networking, but
- 12:25like when we were an in office company, I used to pick someone
- 12:28to sit with at lunch different than anybody I knew.
- 12:31Or I'd go to a table and be like, hey, can I join?
- 12:33And so I'd meet someone so that if you are an in office company,
- 12:37that's a great way to do it. Or even just like meeting people
- 12:40in the hallway as you're walking around and asking questions.
- 12:43And like, I have an amazing story that I absolutely love the
- 12:47security guard at the company I worked at, I became friends with
- 12:53like because I worked kind of long hours.
- 12:55And so I got figured out like we met each other.
- 12:58I knew his name, I knew about his family, like, and we, we
- 13:00just kind of built up a relationship and I worked there
- 13:01for five years and two years ago he messaged me on LinkedIn.
- 13:05He was like, I know work at the company that we worked at.
- 13:07It was so great getting to know you like, this is what I do now.
- 13:11It's been a really great experience.
- 13:12And that was just such a beautiful moment for me because
- 13:15I was like, I knew you in this capacity and now you're in a
- 13:18different role. And like, it matters.
- 13:20When you talk to people around you, whether they're on your
- 13:23team, whether their staff who work in the building like
- 13:26meeting people and understanding their stories and learning from
- 13:29them, it really adds a lot of value.
- 13:31Oh, yeah. I, well, I returned to a company
- 13:33as a consultant after working there full time.
- 13:36And as soon as I walk through the doors, the cleaning lady
- 13:39that was still there was like super excited to see me again
- 13:43because we had become friends. Same thing working late nights
- 13:47and swapping stories. I knew although I knew all about
- 13:50and I like, and I got to hear where her kids were at because
- 13:53we've been talking about different like educational goals
- 13:55for her kids. So it was really exciting.
- 13:58And a lot of people don't think about as that as networking, but
- 14:01it's, it is a way of networking and community building and
- 14:04getting to know people. And like, it really matters to
- 14:07people. It matters to know people's
- 14:09names. It matters to connect with them
- 14:10at different levels. And it's interesting, you learn
- 14:13so much about people and, and it's can be a simple like asking
- 14:17a question that can really kind of spark that conversation.
- 14:20Yeah, You don't know what's going to be valuable.
- 14:22I was going to say like from like knowing when a meeting that
- 14:26had like great cupcakes was like over and the cupcakes were now
- 14:29available in the kitchen was like one thing that the cleaning
- 14:31lady could like glue me into. But then also it turned out we
- 14:35actually often times would run into each other on the train on
- 14:37the way in also because we only live about 3 stops away.
- 14:41So then I learned new things about my like, like our shared
- 14:46neighborhood because. Yeah.
- 14:49So it matters. Pay attention to people around
- 14:51you. So that's the internal side of
- 14:53things. Then external is your industry,
- 14:55right? So no matter what industry
- 14:57you're in, there's probably an association or there's probably
- 15:00a group that's connected to it or a series of conferences or
- 15:03something. So how can you network
- 15:06externally? How can you meet other people in
- 15:08your industry? Send the messages on LinkedIn,
- 15:11ask questions. The thing I really like to do is
- 15:15when I meet someone new, at the end of the call I say, hey, is
- 15:17there anyone else that you suggest I meet?
- 15:19And then that's a way to to actually keep the networking
- 15:22going so you don't have to go and find that next person.
- 15:25You can ask the person that you're chatting with.
- 15:27And then that's how you kind of go down this like beautiful
- 15:29connection train of meeting all these amazing people.
- 15:32Yes, I, yes, I again, just this week had the experience of going
- 15:37to an event that was put on by an organization that was
- 15:42connected to three other events from long ago.
- 15:45And it all started with a chat that I had three years ago with
- 15:49someone and like added their, their they were president of a
- 15:52network like adding their community calendar to my own.
- 15:56And now I'm like 4 more like associations in and like aware
- 16:01of this entire calendar of events.
- 16:03So. You have a beautiful,
- 16:05complicated web of connections and people, and when you realize
- 16:11that, it can be really powerful. So when you're on a networking
- 16:15event, I always encourage people or even any situation.
- 16:19The goal is to be curious. The goal is not to get something
- 16:21out of it. And I think that also starts
- 16:23with asking really good questions.
- 16:25I have a couple questions that I really like to ask.
- 16:27I know car you're going to have some amazing ones, so I'm going
- 16:29to ask you after this. But what one that I really like
- 16:32to ask is like, what are you most excited about right now?
- 16:35Or what's a project that's like really important to you or one
- 16:39that you're working on? Or what's a problem that you're
- 16:42really trying to solve this year in your industry or with in your
- 16:46job? And another one that I actually
- 16:49asked someone today was what surprised you the most about
- 16:51your career looking back at it? And it's just they're thoughtful
- 16:55questions. And you can have like two or
- 16:57three questions that you always ask the same question during
- 17:00these coffee chats or when you're meeting people.
- 17:03And it just opens up more of a conversation versus like a one
- 17:07word answer. Actually, I'm going to surprise
- 17:09you here because I have a different approach in person and
- 17:13I there's studies that show this.
- 17:15One of the fastest ways to build rapport with someone is to
- 17:19complain. So it sounds crazy.
- 17:25It sounds weird, but if there's something going on, like you
- 17:29bond really fast to something someone when something goes
- 17:32wrong, like you're waiting for a train or like the the buffet,
- 17:36right, like something, Oh, this coffee, you know, like so it
- 17:40sounds weird, but if you can find something that's not like
- 17:44personal at all or you know, but that's something about weather.
- 17:49Wait, look. Like the last time and now I've
- 17:51like a good friend who she's turned to me.
- 17:54We were both in line and she's like, I don't think this line
- 17:56will take too long. And I realized immediately that
- 17:59she was doing that thing that's like, OK, let's complain
- 18:02together about waiting. And then we suddenly like we, we
- 18:05that is the way we start the conversation.
- 18:07So I think in person there are these little things again,
- 18:11talking about food or like the space that and don't always have
- 18:16to be negative if you're not a negative person or there's
- 18:18nothing negative to say, but it does help weirdly, if it is
- 18:21negative, it's a great way to like break and break ice in
- 18:26virtual situations. I agree with you that curiosity
- 18:29and I also think compliments, like meeting with something
- 18:32you've noticed about someone that you are impressed by or
- 18:37curious is a really great way to like naturally start a
- 18:40conversation. So those are my 2GO TOS.
- 18:43That was going to be actually my, my counter to your
- 18:47complaining piece. I do the compliment piece.
- 18:48So like I was at the conference last week and I saw this woman
- 18:52who had a backpack and I was like, Oh my God, I love your
- 18:54backpack. And then we became friends and
- 18:56we hung out the whole conference.
- 18:57Right? Like so, but I that's.
- 18:59Right close commenting on someone's someone's appearance,
- 19:02something that they've put thought into is definitely one.
- 19:05And if someone's wearing like a team jacket or like any
- 19:09indicator of where they're from or who they might support is
- 19:13another great one. Like, yeah.
- 19:16I always try to be intentional, like I really like color.
- 19:18So whenever I see someone who has a colorful outfit, like Oh
- 19:20my God, I love your outfit. Like, and I genuinely, I do
- 19:23think that. So like I just say it and then
- 19:25it just sparks a conversation and it can be like a great way
- 19:27to meet people. So I think that the truth about
- 19:31networking really is that it's, it's not a point in time.
- 19:34It's something that you should really kind of like hone and
- 19:37build and it you should have, you should practice it before
- 19:40you need it. We're all going to have times in
- 19:41our life when we need to lean on our network some more than
- 19:44others. So it's really important to kind
- 19:46of have that ongoing and not be like, Oh my God, I need it and
- 19:49then need to build it because it does take time and it especially
- 19:52takes practice if it's something that you don't really like or
- 19:56it's something that doesn't come natural to you.
- 19:57So I really encourage everyone to kind of think about how they
- 20:03can nurture relationships and be intentional.
- 20:06So whether that's, I actually have a list of people that I've
- 20:10met and I actually kind of set reminders if I haven't met with
- 20:13certain people that again, it's my job.
- 20:15So it's a little bit different. But what does that mean for you?
- 20:18Like can you put a networking reminder every month or at a
- 20:21specific time and set some goals for yourself to like reach out
- 20:25to a couple people on LinkedIn or have a couple of coffee
- 20:28chats, so. I'm someone who is organized, so
- 20:31organization helps me, but whatever that is that you can
- 20:34kind of put on your schedule or intentionally kind of set a goal
- 20:39is really helpful. And I don't know, Cara, if you
- 20:41have any things that you do to kind of keep a top of mind.
- 20:44This whole entire conversation, like I said at the start, I was
- 20:47like, oh, networking. Lauren's the expert and I think.
- 20:50You're a very good guy. Well, my take away from this is
- 20:54that everybody like the style that comes naturally to you.
- 20:58So for me there is something about passing on resources or
- 21:02introducing, oh, I know someone else that like you might be
- 21:05interested in meeting or I have a recommendation for you.
- 21:09Those are sort of my natural ways that I socialize.
- 21:12And so I find that that is the best way that I also network and
- 21:17I'm not necessarily someone who puts it on the calendar.
- 21:20What I do though is when I have an important, the connection in
- 21:24my life, I often say like, all right, you know, going to follow
- 21:27up with you quarterly or something like that so that
- 21:30we're both aware of it and then make it really easy for them to
- 21:33say yes and get together with you.
- 21:36But I think you hit on a really important part, Kara, and it
- 21:38needs to be genuine to you. Like it's going to feel forced
- 21:43and it's going to feel in genuine If it's not your style
- 21:46or not your way of communicating with people are interacting.
- 21:50All these tips. We sure you don't have to do all
- 21:51of them, but pick something that is genuine and unique to you and
- 21:56your style and your personality and your comfort level.
- 21:59And then it will feel real and it won't feel forced.
- 22:02But if you're trying to retrofit like an extra hearted person
- 22:06personality, I'm someone who's not extroverted like me who
- 22:08would go to speed dating. And like, if you're that's not
- 22:10your thing, like don't force yourself to do that.
- 22:12Find something that works for you because people also know
- 22:15when you're not being genuine and then that makes the whole
- 22:18situation worse. So just be genuine to your style
- 22:21and how you feel it would be a good opportunity for you.
- 22:26Yeah, 100%. OK.
- 22:28So to close out just some key takeaways, it's important to
- 22:31focus on networking no matter if you need a job, because it does
- 22:34take time to build a network. So what are those intentional
- 22:37moments that you can create that are genuine to you?
- 22:40Focusing on curiosity and seeking to understand and
- 22:43meeting people, not asking for something, not getting something
- 22:47from them. And then trying to build those
- 22:50intentional moments, whether it's using organization or
- 22:53calendar reminders or an Excel sheet, whatever that looks like.
- 22:56So it doesn't drop to the bottom of your To Do List and it stays
- 23:00top of mind. Yeah.
- 23:01And I would just say like, inject whatever is joyful for
- 23:05you with getting, you know, getting together with people.
- 23:07Introverts are happy to hang out with people too.
- 23:10We just maybe less or you need some recovery time.
- 23:13But whatever it is that, you know, there's things that you
- 23:16like to talk about. I love talking about books with
- 23:20people. My mom loves talking about
- 23:21sports with people. Like we end up having those
- 23:24conversations that we want to have with people.
- 23:26So lean into those things that are joyful.
- 23:31Lean in, I love it. Thanks everyone.
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