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3/3/26: Scott Horton Unloads On Iran War, MSM Pro-War Propaganda, Kat Abughazaleh On Iran and Ukraine · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: dot com. Joining us now is Scott Horten's, the director
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  Speaker 3: of the Libertarian Institute and the author of Provokes.
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  Speaker 1: Scott, it's good to see you, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you both very much for having me well.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, you know we have so much to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: You are, of course an expert really on the history
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  Speaker 3: of a lot of the claims here, but you're also
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  Speaker 3: an expert on NATO. We were actually very curious for
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  Speaker 3: your take here as we watch the next frontier of
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  Speaker 3: this war evolves. So we've got the US and Israel
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  Speaker 3: at war with Iran. You've got Iran attacking much of
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  Speaker 3: the golf, but now you have Israel also trying to
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  Speaker 3: step terms for the potential destruction of NATO, saying that
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  Speaker 3: they may even attack Turkey. Let's take a listen here,
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  Speaker 3: toe F. Tlly Bennett, the former Prime Minister of Israel,
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  Speaker 3: get your reaction.
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  Speaker 4: Turkish threat is emerging.
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  Speaker 5: I want to be very clear. Turkey and Qatar have
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  Speaker 5: gained influence in Syria, are seeking influence elsewhere and everywhere
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  Speaker 5: throughout the region, and from here I warn Turkey is
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  Speaker 5: the new Iran. Erdowon is sophisticated, dangerous, and he seeks
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  Speaker 5: thin circle Israel. We can't close our eyes again. And
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  Speaker 5: while some senior Israelis we're on Qatar's payroll. Qatar and
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  Speaker 5: Turkey are nourishing the Islamic brotherhood monster that is growing
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  Speaker 5: and eventually might become as dangerous as the one created
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  Speaker 5: by Iran. Turkey and Katar gaining influence not only in
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  Speaker 5: Syria but also in Gaza through the front door and everyone,
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  Speaker 5: and trying to create a new choke cream. Turkey is
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  Speaker 5: trying to flip Saudi Arabia against US and establish a
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  Speaker 5: hostile Sunni access.
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  Speaker 4: With nuclear Pakistan.
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  Speaker 3: So Scott, if this war continues to drag on, they're
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  Speaker 3: potentially maybe attacking Turkey, which would probably be the dissolution
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  Speaker 3: of NATO itself. Your reaction is both to that clip
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  Speaker 3: into the entire situation.
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  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I have to say that enough
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  Speaker 6: Tally Bennett is the cause of September eleventh, for.
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  Speaker 4: People who don't know.
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  Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety six, now Tally Bennett called in an
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  Speaker 6: artillery strike on a UN shelter in khan E Lebanon
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  Speaker 6: and killed one hundred and eight women and children, and
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  Speaker 6: bin Laden went off all about that in his first
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  Speaker 6: declaration of war.
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  Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 6: And when Mohammad Atta and his best friend Ramsay bin
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  Speaker 6: al she red bin Laden's declaration of war and his
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  Speaker 6: you know, declaration they need to get revenge for the
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  Speaker 6: kanamsacre and Operation Grapes of Wrath. That was what made
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  Speaker 6: Mohammed Attah, the lead hijacker of September eleventh, decide to
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  Speaker 6: join al Keda. And so literally it was that man's
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  Speaker 6: murder of innocent women and children that caused those two
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  Speaker 6: towers full of three thousand innocent men and women to
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  Speaker 6: be brought down on September eleventh, So don't anyone ever
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  Speaker 6: forget that about enough Tally Bennett and then and he
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  Speaker 6: will be Prime Minister of Israel again, almost certainly. And
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  Speaker 6: then as far as NATO goes, we should leave NATO.
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  Speaker 6: We should abandon Israel faster than we should abandon Turkey.
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  Speaker 6: Just so there's no confusion there. But it's understandable that
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  Speaker 6: the Israelis are upset with the Turks after they helped
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  Speaker 6: the Turks help al Qaeda take over Syria. Well, now
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  Speaker 6: they don't have the bothis to balance against Turkey anymore.
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  Speaker 6: Who could have thought that there would have been repercussions
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  Speaker 6: from helping al Qaeda the botheists? And is it true
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  Speaker 6: that Turkey and cutter back the Muslim brotherhood throughout the region?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, It was a tradition started by the British and
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  Speaker 6: the Americans through the Saudis. They created the Muslim brotherhood
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  Speaker 6: in the first place. Everybody read Devil's Game by Robert
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  Speaker 6: Dreyfus is an excellent book on the background all of that.
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  Speaker 6: But is that the kind of thing that could be
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  Speaker 6: solved with diplomacy by the Americans super duper power.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, obviously if that's what we were trying to do.
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  Speaker 6: But if the Israelis have a strategy that says let's
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  Speaker 6: go ahead and pick a fight with the Turks, well,
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  Speaker 6: then common sense and reason and diplomatic possibility are basically irrelevant.
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  Speaker 4: They get what they want. Evidently.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, Scott about the role that
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  Speaker 2: religious rhetoric and fanaticism plays in stoking these conflicts. In
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  Speaker 2: advance or just after Trump started this war, there was
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  Speaker 2: this bizarre CNN piece where they were talking about how
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  Speaker 2: the date was chosen because of its connection to the
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  Speaker 2: Poorum holiday and something to do with Amlak bb out
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  Speaker 2: talking about Amlek again, you know, similar rhetoric to what
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  Speaker 2: we heard in connection with the genocide in Gaza. And
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  Speaker 2: then there's this report from independent journalist Jonathan Larson this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this yet, where he's
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  Speaker 2: found that US troops were told the Iran war is
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  Speaker 2: for armageddon and the return of Jesus. I'll read you
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  Speaker 2: a little bit from this piece. A combat unit commander
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  Speaker 2: told non commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the
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  Speaker 2: Iran war is part of God's plan, that President Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump was anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire
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  Speaker 2: in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth.
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  Speaker 2: According to a complaint by a non commissioned officer, from
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  Speaker 2: Saturday morning through Monday night, more than one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ten similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the
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  Speaker 2: military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
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  Speaker 2: And just as one more example, of course, we all
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  Speaker 2: listen to that interview between my Kakabie Christian Zionist and
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  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson where he said, yeah, I'm good with the
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  Speaker 2: Greater Israel project because he sees that as fulfillment of
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  Speaker 2: a Biblical prophecy.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, makes you wish that the
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  Speaker 6: skull and bones Episcopalians would come back?
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  Speaker 4: You know these Look, you know what can I say?
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  Speaker 6: I can't really argue religious doctrine with people because I
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  Speaker 6: don't really have one. But I think there in my
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  Speaker 6: lifetime there's been a broad spectrum of people who believe
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  Speaker 6: in the Bible and religion but who don't take, you know,
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  Speaker 6: biblical prophecy as their mandate to implement. As American foreign
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  Speaker 6: policy is completely nuts that you would have not just
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  Speaker 6: you know, Republican voters whipped into line with this kind
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  Speaker 6: of crap, but that you would have actual policies based
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  Speaker 6: on this, that you would have leaders of the military
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  Speaker 6: who are actually caught up in this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, it's people's religion.
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  Speaker 6: It's not like you can just convince them that, oh,
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  Speaker 6: that's just superstition or that's one part of the Bible
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  Speaker 6: where you shouldn't be guessing at or whatever. So the
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  Speaker 6: most important thing in the world to them, and everybody
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  Speaker 6: believes their own interpretation of it with whatever degree of
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  Speaker 6: blind faith. Pretty hard to shake anyone out of that
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  Speaker 6: belief that like, actually, you know, maybe this is just
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  Speaker 6: a line of crap, and your particular beliefs about what's
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  Speaker 6: happening now and the near future in biblical prophecy is
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  Speaker 6: really no more credible than David Koresh or any other
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  Speaker 6: end times prophecy going on. But this is a big
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  Speaker 6: deal inside the military, and I know, especially in the
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  Speaker 6: US Air Force. There's an activist named Mikey Weinstein, obviously
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  Speaker 6: a Jewish activist going back to the w Bush years,
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  Speaker 6: who complained very heavily about this kind of end times
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  Speaker 6: apocalyptic belief systems at the very height of the leadership
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  Speaker 6: of the US Air Force, where these are the guys
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  Speaker 6: in charge of delivering the h bombs, and they are
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  Speaker 6: really caught up in like biblical prophecy that yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 6: this is meant to be. This is how we forced
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  Speaker 6: Jesus to come back as we start a world war,
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  Speaker 6: maybe even a nuclear war the end of the world,
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  Speaker 6: because that's what's supposed to happen. That's God's plan, is
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  Speaker 6: for us to cause this terrible chaos. When you know
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  Speaker 6: anyone could tell you. I mean, I just happen to
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  Speaker 6: grow up around Christians, and I know it says in
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  Speaker 6: there that nobody knows the day or the time and.
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  Speaker 4: All of this.
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  Speaker 6: You're just supposed to wait around for the second Coming.
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  Speaker 6: You're not supposed to try to make it happen. But
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  Speaker 6: I've known people like this in my life too. You know,
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  Speaker 6: I'm from Texas. There's a lot of Baptists around here,
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  Speaker 6: in various strains of evangelicals, and I have known people
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  Speaker 6: who are just absolutely convicted beyond any certainty that you
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  Speaker 6: see right here where it says one day, well, one
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  Speaker 6: day means five hundred years, and five hundred years means
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to get raptured up in the thing and whatever,
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  Speaker 6: and there are people who are they're so into it
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  Speaker 6: and there's no way to reason with them. The idea
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  Speaker 6: that they would be really having this much influence on
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  Speaker 6: how policy is carried out is absolutely terrifying. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what's say.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up around the very same people, Scott, not
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  Speaker 3: that far from where you live. We also wanted to
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  Speaker 3: take advantage of your expertise on the nuclear issue.
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  Speaker 1: The Vice President JD.
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  Speaker 3: Vance took to the airwaves yesterday he said, this is
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  Speaker 3: all about Iran getting a nuclear weapon. All they want
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  Speaker 3: is for this military campaign for Iran not to get
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  Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon. Now, remember the Secretary of State and
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  Speaker 3: the Secretary of Defense have said, actually, this is about
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  Speaker 3: a missile shield for that nuclear weapon. This Vivintnya who
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  Speaker 3: said this is about immunity from strike. Aka, we have
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  Speaker 3: to take out their immunity from the ability to build
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  Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon. By the way, meanwhile, let's put this
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  Speaker 3: D three up here on the screen. Satellite imagery currently
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  Speaker 3: indicates that there has been an apparent attack on the
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  Speaker 3: Iranian nuclear site, but only a limited in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the amount of attack.
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  Speaker 1: How credulous.
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  Speaker 3: Do you take this credulous, this explanation, this is all
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  Speaker 3: about nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, they're simply lying. It's a completely bogus pretext for war.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, in fact, last summer they really did essentially
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  Speaker 6: obliterate Iran's nuclear program. They took the Fourdohntons and Isfahan
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  Speaker 6: facilities completely offline. And Fodah and atonsas where they're enriching
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  Speaker 6: uranium hexafluora gas to a higher percent U two thirty five,
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  Speaker 6: and Isfahan is the facility, the conversion facility where you
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  Speaker 6: can take metal to gas and back to metal again.
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  Speaker 6: Well without that, I mean, they're essentially just shut down.
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  Speaker 6: And there's a new report by a group called ISIS online.
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  Speaker 6: There's just David Albright. He's a little bit sketchy, but
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  Speaker 6: this seemed credible enough. Where they have their satellite pictures
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  Speaker 6: show there's absolutely nothing going on at Foidah and Ntans
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  Speaker 6: or Isfahan at all. They've sealed all the entrances with
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  Speaker 6: dirt and the rest. There's a place called Pickax Mountain
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  Speaker 6: where supposedly they're doing some preliminary tunnel digging or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: They have essentially zero operating cascades anywhere in the country.
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  Speaker 6: So Trump and net Yahoo, they really did call the
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  Speaker 6: Ayatolas buff last June and essentially decimate his program. And
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  Speaker 6: then we know from the negotiations in Oman that they
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  Speaker 6: were the Iranians were essentially negotiating from that position.
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  Speaker 4: Of weakness and knew it.
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  Speaker 6: They said, you know what, We'll give you Obama deal
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  Speaker 6: times one hundred. We'll have a full moratorium in Richmond
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  Speaker 6: for up to three to five years, for between three
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  Speaker 6: to five years, and even then, we'll enrich only up
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  Speaker 6: to one point five percent. Will take any stockpile of
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  Speaker 6: uranium that we have and will send that to the
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  Speaker 6: United States, not even to Russia or France, but to
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  Speaker 6: the United States to hold onto the stockpile and transform
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  Speaker 6: any enriched uranium that they do enrich to fuel rods
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  Speaker 6: and send back. And they promised no sunset provisions so
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  Speaker 6: anything that That was one of the big complaints about
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  Speaker 6: the JCPOA was all the sunsets, that these things expire
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  Speaker 6: in five or ten years. So they were climbing way
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  Speaker 6: down the ladder as far as they were. Only the
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  Speaker 6: barest face saving on the ability to continue to maintain
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  Speaker 6: a civilian nuclear energy program at all.
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  Speaker 4: And then I think that's probably why they launched the war.
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  Speaker 6: Right is this is the reporting that Netanyahu came to
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  Speaker 6: town and said, don't let these negotiations get in the
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  Speaker 6: way of starting the war.
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  Speaker 4: We're doing this.
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  Speaker 6: The negotiations are only a pretext, and this seems likely
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  Speaker 6: that they decided to launch the war when they did
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  Speaker 6: because the Iranians were too willing to compromise and Wikkoff
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  Speaker 6: was about to come home with an acceptable deal and
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  Speaker 6: they couldn't have that.
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  Speaker 2: And let me ask you my last question for you
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  Speaker 2: on that. We've been talking about the extraordinary comments from
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  Speaker 2: Secretary of State Mark Rubio saying, hey, there was an
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  Speaker 2: imminent threat because Israel was going to attack Ron with
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  Speaker 2: us or without US, and that was going to create
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  Speaker 2: a risk of Iran attacking our bases and service members
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  Speaker 2: in the region. So rather than saying that Israel, hey,
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  Speaker 2: don't do that, and you know here are going to
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  Speaker 2: be the repercussions if you do a client state vasal
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  Speaker 2: state of ours, instead they said, I guess we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get roped into this war with a run. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how do you make sense of this? Why is the
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  Speaker 2: option of constraining Israel just seemingly completely off the table
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  Speaker 2: and out of sight for these people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure how much I buy that.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, clearly net Nyahu's roped Donald Trump into doing
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  Speaker 6: this by hook or krook one way or the other.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not so sure I buy the narrative that he said, look,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to do it without you, and I'm I
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  Speaker 6: use nukes and I'm going to provoke attacks against American bases,
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  Speaker 6: so you might as well come with me, and gave
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  Speaker 6: Trump no choice. That sounds to me like public relations
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  Speaker 6: from the White House. I appreciate them blaming Israel because
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  Speaker 6: they do deserve a lot of the blame, but Trump
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  Speaker 6: is the man in that chair as them.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to wash their hands of the consequences and say
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  Speaker 2: they made us do it effectively.
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  Speaker 6: And remember there was that story in Politico just what
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  Speaker 6: one or two days before the war launched.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it came out on.
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  Speaker 6: What Thursday before the war that they were talking with
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  Speaker 6: the Israelis about maybe having the Israelis start the war
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  Speaker 6: in order to provoke Iran into hitting US bases so
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  Speaker 6: that they could tell the American people, well, see they
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  Speaker 6: hit our bases.
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  Speaker 4: We have to do this.
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  Speaker 6: So if they were floating that as a way as
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  Speaker 6: a sort of end run around the American people and
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  Speaker 6: a backdoor way into getting into the war on Thursday,
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  Speaker 6: from the White House's side, they were floating that, and
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  Speaker 6: it sounds to me like they were perfectly in coordination
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  Speaker 6: and they decided to do this together.
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  Speaker 2: So if that rationale is out the window, and I
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  Speaker 2: also am a little bit skeptical of it, to be
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  Speaker 2: honest with you, then what is the motivation for Trump?
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  Speaker 3: Who?
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  Speaker 2: You know, we have a whole compilation of Trump and
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  Speaker 2: our kid Junior and Tulsea Gabbard and Steven Miller and
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  Speaker 2: Jade Vance all, Oh, we'd never go.
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  Speaker 7: To war with Iron, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: What is the rationale for this large now regional war?
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  Speaker 2: What is the rationale for the timing? You know, what
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  Speaker 2: do you think did lead to this? If it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: you know, some combination of Donald Trump being compromised in
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  Speaker 2: Israeli threats?
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  Speaker 4: Right, and then funny that that's even a question.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know why the President launched this completely unnecessary, unprovoked,
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  Speaker 6: aggressive war and we got to like sit here and
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  Speaker 6: sell it out through the team leads.
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  Speaker 4: Did they have video of him raping a child.
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: Is that what it is that beneath all those Epstein redactions?
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  Speaker 6: Is Donald Trump actually committing felonies? Or do they maybe
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: nothing to do with Epstein. Maybe they've just been tapping
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  Speaker 6: his phone like they did Bill Clinton. Remember they tried
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  Speaker 6: to blackmail Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinsky before that story
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  Speaker 6: ever leaked, that we want you to.
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  Speaker 4: Release Jonathan Pollard.
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  Speaker 6: And he almost did it, except that the top branks
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  Speaker 6: of the CIA, we're all going to resign over it
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  Speaker 6: and cause a huge controversy. But they went to Bill
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  Speaker 6: Clinton said we got proof you're cheating on your wife.
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  Speaker 4: Pal. They had no problem trying to blackmail the president then.
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  Speaker 4: So it could be that.
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  Speaker 6: It also could be that just Donald Trump is good
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  Speaker 6: friends with Netanyahu. He's always you know, his son in law,
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  Speaker 6: Jered Kushner obviously always speaks from the lecud point of view.
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  Speaker 6: He didn't know anything else about it. He didn't know
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  Speaker 6: any Palestinians or any Iranians. If he knows any Iranians,
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  Speaker 6: they're monarchist xpat types, right. He doesn't know anyone to
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  Speaker 6: tell him a real contrary point of view on these things.
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  Speaker 4: I think is a big part of it.
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  Speaker 6: And then you know, people would always say, oh, Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 6: he's so uncouth. You know, he's not from Manhattan, he's
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  Speaker 6: from Queens and he's kind of like, don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 6: he's obviously born, very rich, but he has that sort
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  Speaker 6: of uncouth, working class way of talking or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And they were afraid.
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  Speaker 6: Remember, they'd say, I think he's an anti Semite, like
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  Speaker 6: he one time used the word Jew outside of a
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  Speaker 6: reverential tone or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: We you know, we're afraid.
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  Speaker 6: Like, okay, if there really is any of that kind
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  Speaker 6: of like Donald Trump a sort of racism that he
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  Speaker 6: grew up in as a New Yorker in that time
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  Speaker 6: or whatever, there potentially could be a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 6: I don't see that certainly as far as Jews go.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: But even if that was true, well, how much lower
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: must he consider Arabs? Then if that's what a kind
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: of men or racist he is, if he thinks, you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: he looks down on Jews or other minorities at all,
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: the Palestinians they're a Rabs. They're camel jockeys and sand
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: and words and whatever. You just do with them what
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: you want. It's the same way they created Israel in
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: the first place. Yeah, a bunch of Arabs have to
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: be removed. But so what it's like talking about removing
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: livestock or something like that doesn't it doesn't affect them
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: morally or whatever. So if Netnahu says to Trump, man,
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: this could be big and fun and you'll go down
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: in history. Bill Crystal will compare you to Theodore Roosevelt
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: and you'll be great and whatever, then that could be
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: very tempting to Donald Trump.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: You know, it could be all of the above, right.
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, something big, something that you know, he wants to
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: build giant arch in Washington, so he's remembered as the
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: guy who built the giant arch, you know, like he
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: wants to do something.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Scott as always man, thank you for joining us.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, absolutely, thank you both.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, we wanted carbon O little space to
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: take a look at the overwhelming pro war media propaganda
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: diet that the American people are being force fed. Right now,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Let's start with CNN Dana Bash with some interesting guests here.
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: Let's take a listen. This is a Berlin Wall moment.
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: Let's tear this wall down.
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: Then America will be safe without Islamic Republic.
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: I love America. I love I wrong, no Sacker.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Many people are saying that CNN is said to get
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: worse under the Ellison control, and I do have confidence
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that Barry will figure out how. But it's going to
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: take some creativity based on what I've seen on that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: network in the you know, after this war was launched.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Look, no disrespect to this.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe actually I always say that before. Actually, no disrespect. Like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: here's the deal. You know this woman, I get, it's
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Iranian expat she wants freedom for our country. I'm like,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: very limited, somewhat sympathetic. My country is not a vessel
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: for you to achieve your ambitions, you know, I forget.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I think Bronco said this, America is the only country
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: on Earth which has immigrants that come to it to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: get it to bomb their own country.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: It's the only place.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I've also said this generally about diaspora, and I really
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: mean this. The diaspora are often some of the least
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: informed people, most biased and out of touch about what's
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: going on back home. I said that about myself. Do
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: not ask me about what's going on in India.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm from Brian, Texas, Okay.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I barely know what's going on in my own country,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: let alone to reflect the beliefs of one billion people
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: who live across the world.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: And yet Treta Parsi was telling us this morning that
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: BBC ran an article with three people in Iran or
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: a SoundBite or whatever, three people in Iran, where they're like,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: we're so happy to be bombed, as if that's the
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: only view inside of the country. CNN is trying to
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: project the same thing Berlin Wall moment.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. You know, it's a catastrophe for the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: people in Iran.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe it'll end up good, but in the immediate term,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: there's at least over a thousand people who are confirmed
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: to be killed, including much little school children, not to
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: mention all of the other people killed across the region
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: as a result of this embroiling conflict. We don't sit
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: here good cheer up and down. We don't even know
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: what's going to come next. You're probably cheering on your
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: own civil war and destruction of your own country.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: It's discuss you know, the people to talk to.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: You really would Hey, let's talk to the iraqis about Yeah, No,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: you're right, but let's talk to the Afghanis. Let's talk
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: to the you know, the people of Libya. Let's talk
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to them about you know, probably some of them had
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: some hopes and aspirations when yeah, so I'm cheering, yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: when we came in, et cetera. How did that go
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: for you? I think that would be an you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: interesting and revelatory to see from our news networks. Let
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: me go ahead and skip over to now with Rachel Maddow.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: And this was a very interesting segment here because she
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: goes out of her way and look, I think that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: is true that some of the golf country, Saudi Arabia
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: in particular, I mean, there is a rivalry there with Iran, right,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And there was reporting that Saudi Arabia was also pushing
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Trump alongside Israel to get into this war with Iran.
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: But let's be very clear.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's very clear who the primary mover is here, right,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It's Israel. I mean, you could listen to the Secretary
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: of State. You can listen to Nat Yale, who talking
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: about how he's tried and president after president to get
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: someone to do this and finally got Donald Trump to
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You can listen to him talk about how this is
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a fulfillment of a forty year fantasy that he has held.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And so Rachel kind of cleverly decides to all but
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: erase that aspect and instead focus in on these golf
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: countries which are now in flames and being attacked and
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: running out of interceptors and being stonewalled by the United
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: States for any sort of replacements.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: Let's take a listen to a little bit of that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: Who benefits who wants Iran bombed off the map and
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: for their own reasons. Who are Iran's rivals and enemies
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: perennially it's the Gulf Arab States, countries like Saudi Arabia
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: and United Arab Emirates and cutter and of course you
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: remember the Saudis who stuffed another two billion dollars into
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: the pockets of Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner. They said,
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: don't worry, Jared will never again work for the US government.
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: He's never coming back to Washington. So it's okay that
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: he's taken all this money from the Saudis. Now we
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: will never have to worry about having somebody involved in
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: US policy who has also just been given billions of
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: dollars by Saudi Arabia apparently for no reason. Well that
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: was the explanation when he took all that money from
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: the Saudis at the end of Trump's first term. And
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: now today, who has been leading the negotiations on behalf
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: of the United States government with Iran before we just
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: started this war with them today? I mean Secretary of
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: State Mark Rubio was in Saint Kitts this week. Wasn't him, No,
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: it was.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Jared Sure And I think this will be the you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the the MSNBC line from a lot of the hosts,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: because this allows them to be anti war and it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: much easier to pick on like the politics of picking
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: on Saudi Arabia, and look they deserve it, like critical
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: of Saudi Arabia as well, the politics of that are
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: much easier than focusing your eyr.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: What about the word Israel? Israel? Can we all say it?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: The Secretary of State zad it. Can we say it?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Israel is the primary mover of this conflict?
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Why am I?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: This makes me feel crazy?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And look, we expect bullshit from Fox, but in a
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: time of opposition, the way that you channel that opposition,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: like with CNN.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Where like it's like that Mark Warner.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Initial they're like, well, but we need to hear a
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: case from the president in the war, and he needs
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a strategy. It's like, no, there's no strategy. This whole
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: thing is bullshit.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: It's over.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: This is bad.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: They can't just like, look, we saw this during Iraq,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you know, with the MSNBC and all that light in
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: the initial years of the war before eventually discovering the
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Keith Olberman opposite position. But we don't want to get
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to that point. Let's just not get there in the
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: first place. I will at least give the politicians credit.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: They're ahead of like the media in this case, Mark
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Warner and Reuben Diego, you know, these are like centrist
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: as they come.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Givo guy is definitely trying to make a pivot.
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: He's just endorse gram Platner as well. But yeah, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: mean they.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Even they though, are like, this is Israel's war. They're
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: calling him.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: They're like, we're being walked around on a leash.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is like four Chans, you know zog
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: posting from like five years ago, you know what I mean.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I know it is crazy to hear Mark Warner, in particular,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: when I heard him talking about like Israel dragon his
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: war was like, wow, I could never have imagined, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to your point, let's actually play a Fox News clip,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: because just rest assured. Fox News has been embarrassingly slavishly
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: pro war building up to the war, in the war now,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: whitewashing everything that's going on, I mean, just absolute shameful cheerleaders.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And this moment from Brit Hume, this is the seven
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Guys that I'm queuing up here. It's particularly extraordinary because
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, I think the Democrats are caught in
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: a buying because this worth so popular.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: Meanwhile, look at literally every.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Poll and you will see the way that people are
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: completely disgusted with what is being done in their name.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: This is the seven Lets take a listen to that.
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: The public reaction is likely to be favorable. And I
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: think these Democrats are kind of trapped because they exist
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: in a party whose membership overwhelmingly despises Donald Trump. It's
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: been called Trump derangement syndrome, and there's something to that,
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: and the result is that these Democrats, with rare exceptions
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: John Fetterman today, of course was the one we just
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: heard from, are opposed to this because they feel they
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: must be that they feel their job in life is
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: to resistant oppose Donald Trump in every way, almost no
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: matter what he does. So I think that accounts for
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: the political reaction on the Democratic side here now. Over time,
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: those who are critical may feel vindicated if things start
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: to go bailey, but if they don't, they're going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: be stuck with this.
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: Jesus is gonna public is going to react very favorably.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: This is the same guy who sold the rocket. Why
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: should we be so surprised.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I literally used to watch this guy when I was
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: a bit like a child in like grade school, doing
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the exact same stuff. Nothing's changed, Absolutely nothing has changed.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: And look, if anything, I want to give America credit
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: because despite all this BS.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: They're still against the war.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Imagine that this is like a boomer trap, but the
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: rest of the country is living in a totally different reality.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not just fluffing us, but yesterday was
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: literally the biggest day in the history of our show.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I think this is why I am always Look, you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you don't want to be too self referential. I'm like,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: it's very nice if the show is popular, but you'll
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: watch cable news like I was yesterday, waiting for Trump.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: To speak, and I was like, oh, this is why, right,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: because it's just Bret McGirk.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Brett McGirk was on Stephen Colbert yesterday Lives. Give him up,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: all right, Colbert is bad sorry, un ironically like that
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: was Stephen Colbert's special guest. If you don't know who
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that is, a former he worked for multiple administrations.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: He's pro war, you know, he's anti.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: He was driving the pro genocide tree.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Israel, like you know, one of these typical blob politicians
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: who's just been around the block, one of the most
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: failed politicians, like one of the most failed US policymakers
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: probably in decades.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: But continues to fail up rev exactly.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And he's the one who's on CNN all the time.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Now he's on Stephen Colbert. I mean, this is this
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: is the level of propaganda that we're all dealing with.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: It's craziness.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: Let's put E six up on the screen.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: This is Scott Jennings, who's, of course the resident Republican
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: over at CNN.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: So he's got.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Two sirens here, he says, senior Trump administration officials tell
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: me the credible intelligence indicated Iran planned preemptive missile strikes
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: against US military targets in the region and against civilian
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: targets as well, failure to act what have resulted in
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: mass US casualties. So you know, you know, this is
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: really credible information when senior officials, rather than like you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: brief in Congress or like planning this with a credible
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: media source, leak it to Scott Jennings so that he
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: can tweet it out. And sure enough, immediately you had
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: everyone from Ted Cruz, you know, the military, the people
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: themselves who went and briefed Congress saying yeah, no, this
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: is this is not true.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: There were no preemptive attacks.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And now, of course we've got Marco Rubio laying out
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: this new tale about how well, technically there's sort of
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: were preemptive attacks if Israel struck them first, which we
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: thought they were going to strike them first, and.
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: That put us at risk.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I guess that's their definition of you know, preemptive, That
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: we're preempting Israel putting our troops in danger is the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: new story.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna have this guy on again. I mean,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you know, look at this.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: Lies all all the time.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: On their airwaves, and they just keep having them back,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: having them back.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's all that theater. It's all game, you know, to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: all of these people.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: If you get a story, it like here's the thing,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: you're going to have any opinion that you want, literally
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: any I don't care.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'll never say that you shouldn't be allowed on the air.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: But that is literally bullshit whenever it comes and it's
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: laundered propaganda from the government. Does CNN have any standards
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to allow this up on their air because he is
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: doing this under their auspices, repeating these types of talking points.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: And again, it's not an opinion. This is a literal
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: fact that he's trying to presuppose onto the minds of
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the American public, which is a complete lie.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I can complete lie if someone came on our program
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and just like routinely, like we would not have that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: someone on the air who's just trying to lie to
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: our audience all the time.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Why what is the purpose of that, Like it's not.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: The blame, it's yeah, they like the you know, they
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: like the fights, they like the debates, they like that
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: that circus, and so.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: We'll fight a debate if we think there's a purpose
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: But this is literally a purpose for the actual like
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: you know, suppose it to be entertainment value. But this
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: is the ultimate reduction of the mainstream media, where even
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: war and peace lives, where lives lives are at stake,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the lives of American service members, Iranians, Israelis, Americans are
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: living in the entire golf. Even that is reduced to entertainment.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: This is this is why I hate these people so
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: so much. It's, by the way, speaking of hate Van Jones,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: mister reasonable, here's mister reasonable Van Jones singing the praises
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: of Rais Apolovi, the fail son who will be the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: next monarch of Iran.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Take a listener.
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: Recently you saw millions of people come out of their
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: homes protesting, demanding a new regime. They were chanting the
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: name of Reza Paulivi. Who is Reza Polavi. He is
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: actually the son of someone who's known as the Shaw
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: of Iran. He doesn't want to come home as a
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: ruler like his father. He wants to come home as
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: a healer. He wants to come home. It's what's called
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: a transitional figure to give the people of Iran a
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: fair chance to come up with a new government for
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: themselves that is based not on theocracy like they have
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: right now, or a monarchy like they had under his father,
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: but a true democra. But why should you care about rezipolity.
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: If Iran were suddenly to be ruled by someone who
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: believes in democracy, believes in the rule of law, believes
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: in women's rights, believes in fairness to everyone, suddenly the
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: entire region of the Middle East changes overnight and the
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: Iranian people get a chance to step forward as partners
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: to the world again.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what counts now for good analysis. They
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: were chanting his name, maybe some people more, maybe few
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: masad people in the crowd were for sure, this guy
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: has no support out of Los Angeles and here in
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Georgetown and Potomac, Marian.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: Trump says something about him.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, even he was like, yeah, he doesn't have that
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: much support, except you know, it's true, it's true. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: then that lady with the Afro who's on TV, that's it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Those are the only people y right who have It's ridiculous.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And this is like, honestly, Akmed Talabi had more of
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: a chance of leading Iraq than this guy does of
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: leading Iran a democratic transition. It's I mean, you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: this guy has not even said one word about any
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: of the people he supposedly wants to lead who are dead.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Not one word. So he's going to lead them. Oh yeah, okay,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's going to work out.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: One thing that really all yours leaders to their you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: potential subjects, is when they cheer for their country to
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: get bombed and their people to get killed and don't
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: even express regret.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: About it when it happens.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: That's something that I find really endears a potential leader
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to their people.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: And yeah, I mean, you know, and you love the propaganda, la.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: He fails to mention how the Shaw came into power
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and why it was a monarchy, the fact that we
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: overthrew their actual democratically elected leader Mosadic and installed the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Shawns to the Shaw. So, I mean, there is no
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: legitimacy here whatsoever. And you know, apparently the Trump regime
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: knows that. But somehow Van Jones, who used to somehow
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: be a mouse, I mean, this man's transition to whatever
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: this is is just crazy, total sell out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: And at this point and yeah, well you can still
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: take a little something called Bezo Prize Google be.
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: What do you get? One hundred millions?
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, interesting.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, So this morning we are talking to
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Illinois congressional candidate for the ninth Congressional district, kat Abu Gozela.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: She is running in a Democratic primary right now, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: we wanted to talk to her specifically about foreign policy.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Kat welcome, great to see you.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: Great to see you too, yeah, of course.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: So just to give people a little bit of sort
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: of context and backstory here, Ryan was able to get
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: his hands on an email that had been sent from
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: a campaign advisor to you, who I understand is no
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: longer with the team that represented a number of your
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: views that people had questions about because they found some
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: of those views relatively surprising. So we figured, rather than
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: trying to parse secondhand from an advisor who's no longer
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: with the team anymore, we would just speak to you
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: directly about these things.
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: So glad to have you today, Thanks so much. Yeah,
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: of course.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: So I actually wanted to start with an issue that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't in that letter. We'll get to the letter in
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a minute, but that is top of mind for people,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: which is the Iran War. So the first question is just,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you know, what do you think about the Iran War?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Do you support or oppose it and why I absolutely
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: oppose it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: This was completely unprovoked, and as we saw on reporting
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: this morning, Pete Hexseth is trying to paint this as
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: a Christian war, with one commander even telling his squad
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: that this is to bring Jesus back through the armageddon.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: This is a violation of international law. It's disgusting, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: it's on Congress to pass a war powers resolution. This
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: is also another impeachable offense for Trump. Absolutely oppose it,
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: and I'm just couldn't be more disgusted.
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: So Kat, let's go through some of the some of
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: the email to get your to get your sense on
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: you know, where you agreed with Ben Mermel, the National
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: Security advisor, and where you disagreed with him. But first
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: of all, is it true that he's no longer with
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: the campaign? And was it? Was it this email? Was
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: it something else? Like, what's the if he's no longer
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: with the campaign, what was the decision there?
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, let's start with Ben. So Ben was helping us
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: write some policy on everything from animal rights to our
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: Free and Sovereign Palestine page. He actually offered to resign
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: the second the story broke, Because we have two weeks
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: to election day, and he didn't want the story to
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: be about him. He wanted to support the campaign, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: it was a mutual decision, mainly because this was communication
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: that was not passed by the campaign. It was not
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: approved by the campaign. I would not have used such
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: aggressive language, and there were some characterizations in there that
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: I actively disagree with. But I also take umbrage with
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: some of the characterizations I've seen of Ben, and I
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: do want to clear this up right now. First off,
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: I've seen people try to pay him as anti Palestine,
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: and that couldn't be further from the truth. Ben actually
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family and has lost
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: many of his personal relationships, his family, his friends, his
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: community for standing up for Palestinian dignity. He and I
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: have spent hours articulating our right to return policy, which
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: of course is very personal to myself and my family
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: because you know, we're Palestinian. He has consistently Actually, when
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: he was at the GW encampment, I was also at
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: the GW encampment. He was characterized as attending a pro
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: Israel counter protest there. Both the encampment and the counter
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: protesters were extremely close together. I know he spoke to
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: some of the hostages family. But I think that it's
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: very disingenuous and also unfair to characterize him as anti
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Palestine considering what he has risked in his own personal
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: life to stand up for Palestinian human rights. The main
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: issue for his departure is the lack of communication with
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: the campaign. We also were made aware of him inviting HSI,
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: which is a part of ICE, to speak to a
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: group that he was in. I very much disagree with that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: I know that his perspective at that time was like, well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: it's not like the bad part of ICE, it's an
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: investigation wing. And I think that he now realizes that
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: ICE has been bad since it's been created, and hopefully
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: he wouldn't make that decision again. But I do have
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: a problem with it, gotcha.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: So let's to get into the letter then a little bit.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You said you disagreed with some of the framing or
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: some of the language in the letter. Could you just
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: be a little bit specific about that, and we can
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: just put as an example, put g one up on
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the screen as an example of some of the language
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: in the letter. It described you as firmly an interventionist,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and it also said you won't stop until Russia's made
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to pay for its crimes, among other policy characterizations. But
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: what was some of the language in there that you
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: felt was not reflective of the views that you hold well.
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: Those two quotes specifically are probably where I'd start. While
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: it's stop until Ussia is made to pay for its
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: crimes seems vague and aggressive, but firmly an interventionist, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: would very much disagree with. First off, I would not
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: describe myself and I have never described myself as an
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: interventionist when it comes to Ukraine and when it comes
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: to anywhere in the world, including the United States own actions.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: I am anti war of aggression, anti invasion, anti crimes
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: against humanity, and I think one thing that email didn't
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: capture is how we need to exhaust all diplomatic options
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: for humane foreign policy and that any sort of military
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: aid would be an absolute last resort. Also not captured
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: there is talking about how paying for arms to Ukraine
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: to protect itself from invasion should be paid for through
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: seizing Russian oligarch assets, which has been a proposed solution
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: in countries in Europe and is one I believe that
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: we should act here. But what I really want to
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: lead with is humane foreign policy. I'm endorsed by Peace Action,
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: which is the world's largest grassroots piece network. I firmly
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: believe that in my ideal United States, we are leading
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: with public diplomacy. We are ensuring the reinstitution also expansion
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: of USAID and issuing reparations to the global South, especially
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: in the focus of infrastructure and renewable energy. These are
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: things that I think we should be focusing on, and
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: deterrence is it's own subjects. But I do not describe
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: myself as an interventionist.
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: The two main things that people picked up on here
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: were the Russia Ukraine policy and then kind of China Taiwan.
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: So I mean, let's do Let's do Russia Ukraine first.
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: So rather than get into what the email says, is
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: your policy, tell us what your policy is. Do you
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: believe that, as the memo says, that the US should
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: arm Ukraine until basically every square foot of Ukrainian land
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: is taken back from Russia. How do you see this ending?
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I want to be realistic here. I'm
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: not sure that there is a world right now where
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: Ukraine gets every square foot of land that Russia has
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: illegally seized, but there is a way that we can
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: get Ukraine to a position where they have equal footing
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: or an advantage at the bargaining table. I mean, part
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: of the reason that this has been so costly for
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: both states and for every state that is is siding
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: with either one, is that there wasn't firm enough policy
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: to demonstrate that this would be a costly affair, both
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: in human life and in dollars. So the effort of
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: arming Ukraine needs to be rooted in the idea of
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: getting to a negotiating table where they are able to
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: fight for their own self determination, and then also politically
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: recognizing illegally Sea's Land as still part of Ukraine. So
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: one specific question there.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Early in the war, there's reports that Ukraine and Russia
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: were actually pretty close to a deal, and that deal
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: would have involved, you know, Russia taking some land, you know, Crimea,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: probably parts of eastern Ukraine, and the US and the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: UK intervened to stop that diplomacy and to continue the war.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: So do you think that was the right move for
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the US to intervene at that point and continue arming
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Ukraine and sort of block that potential diplomatic solution do
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you think that was the right decision or do you
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: think that that was the wrong call at that point.
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, personally, I think that historically appeasement has not
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: been shown to be an effective solution to invasion. But
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: I also firmly like when it comes to foreign policy,
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: my leading principle is the idea of self determination, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: I think in that moment it should have been up
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: to the people of Ukraine to decide where they wanted
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: to reach a peace deal. But once again, that's leading
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: in self determination. I'm not sure the exact call I
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: would have made in that moment, because frankly, I'm not
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: under bombings right now, and it's much different when you
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: are in that position. I don't think it should be
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: the United States and any other countries role to force
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: any country to decide what decision to make in its
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: own self determination.
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: So the war has lasted longer than World War One
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: at this point, it has created a generational crisis of
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: demography for Ukraine. I'm sure you've seen if you want,
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: there are countless videos going around of basically, you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: gangs of Ukrainian government officials like snatching fairly elderly people
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: off the street, you know, pushing them into vans, driving
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: them to the front. A lot of Ukrainian men have
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: left for other parts of left for other parts of Europe.
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: If if it's that difficult for the Ukrainian government to
• 41:24
  Speaker 11: force its own people to go to the front lines
• 41:27
  Speaker 11: and die in this war, why do we believe that
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: we should then continue pushing them to go there? Doesn't
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: that say something about their lack of interest in pursuing
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: this war If they have to be forced at gunpoint
• 41:44
  Speaker 11: to go die for this and so at what Russia
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: also has suffered, you know, many tens of thousands, probably
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: perhaps hundreds of thousands of casualties. Why does at what,
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: at what point does it become a cost that is
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: like exceptable to the United States? What you said, you
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: want to you know, you want them to bear a
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: cost so that they don't do it again. Haven't they
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: borne that cost at this point? Or what would the
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: cost be?
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I don't know when I said. When I
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: said that, I was mentioning that this war has been costly,
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: and that's I think the aspect of everything that you
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: said shows that war is hell. I think it should
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: be up to the Ukrainian people and whether it is
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: a referendum or whether it is negotiating from their leadership
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: to decide what deal they want to make to end
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: this war. But once again, invasion is it's not okay
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: when the United States does the people.
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: Express that sense of self determination. There aren't elections, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: when they are asked to go to the front lines,
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: they resist.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: That's part of the problem, ensuring that there are ways
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: to have Like, I know that war is difficult, but
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: I do think that there is more role for democracy
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: to play here. But at the same time, I just
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: need to stress that and wars of aggression are not okay.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: It's not okay when the US does it, it's not
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: okay when Russia does it. And appeasement historically is not
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: the answer or the instant salve to an invader as
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: we'd like to hope it would be.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: And then how do you balance this, and this will
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: tie into your Taiwan policy, how do you balance those
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: principles of you know, natural self determination and opposing wars
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of aggression with concern that for example, and you can
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: tell me whether this is your policy or not, you know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: by providing long range weaponry to Ukraine, allowing them to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: strike within Russia, you know, increasing involvement in what you
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: know is clearly like a proxy war with the US
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: directly involved on the side of Ukraine that you're courting,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: this direct engagement between two nuclear powers, which obviously in
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: the nuclear age we have to take extraordinarily seriously. So
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: how do you balance those principles that you hold with
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a concern about you know, an escalatory spiral that could
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: lead into you know, chaos and disaster.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that this is one of those issues
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: that in our modern diplomatic age, it's like there's no
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: black and white. But I think the main thing here
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: is that Putin doesn't just want to stop with part
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: of Ukraine. That is not his plan. He will continue
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: to take more and more. We saw this after twenty fourteen.
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: The fact that he invaded Ukraine once again in a
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: war of aggression shows that his goal is not just
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: for one piece of the country, or even just that country.
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: We risk even greater conflict, not just between as like
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: a proxy war, which I in you know, my own
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: values I don't want to see or I would not
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: want to support Ukraine in that respect, but in a
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: way of self determination, but it would be In that case,
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: you would have even more countries that are directly drawn
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: into this conflict, raising these stakes of possible nuclear war
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: or possible conflict between superpowers. I also think, you know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: for me, nuclear disarmament is a huge priority and something
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: that I would want to champion in Congress, especially in
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: a post Trump world.
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: On the question of twenty fourteen, do you think the
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: US played a role in instigating by you know, pushing,
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: pushing NATO closer and closer support for active support for
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: the Made on Uprising role in response? Because I think
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: that goes to the question of American intervention and its virtues.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: I totally get what you're saying, Ryan, but personally, I
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: think the point is moot. Once you're invading another country,
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: once you are violating that sovereignty, there is no equivocating
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: on whether that's okay or not. No matter what the
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: United States or any other country is doing. Invasion is
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: a line that we need to draw.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's talk then a little bit about your
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: policy on Taiwan. And again, rather than you know, quoting
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: from the letter from the advisor, I'll just let you,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: you know, have the floor here of how you think
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: that the US should approach Taiwan and China.
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: I really appreciate that, Crystal, genuinely, and I also want
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: to stress for anyone and not just you, Ryan, if
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: you want to reach out to us, I don't use
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: Twitter anymore. The best way to contact us is through
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: our press accounts or any of the other social media
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: accounts that we're on, So for comment, would really appreciate that.
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: In the future regarding Taiwan, though, Look, the Republicans want
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: to use China as some boogeyman, and I don't think
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: it has to be that way. You know, we are
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: in a globalized world. I am not an isolationist, but
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: I want us to get to a point where China
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: can be a partner with us in trade and innovation.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: I also have to balance that with the commitment that
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: I have to self determination and to promises that we
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: have made in the past regarding to I think one
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: thing this email didn't get clear was the fact that
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: any sort of military aid to Taiwan is an absolute
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: last resort, not just after diplomatic options have been exhausted,
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: but after we exhaust the diplomatic options. After that, we
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: need to be reinvesting in diplomacy between Taiwan and China,
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: between Taiwan and the US and the US and China. Additionally,
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: we need to be politically adhering to the One China policy.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: If the Taiwanese people pass referendum saying they want reunification
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: with China, I'm absolutely supportive of that. That is their choice.
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: But once again, invasion is where we draw the line.
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: Even then, I don't support boots on the ground in Taiwan.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: I support, specifically in a defensive stance for Taiwan to
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: be able to protect itself from invasion, to ensure that
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: there is a cost by trying to invade this country.
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: But I also want to stress here that military aid
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: should be conditional, and I don't care if it's Taiwan
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: or Mexico. If we are providing military aid to a country,
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: we need to ensure it's conditional that crimes against humanity
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: are not being systematically committed using our weapons paid for
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: by our tax dollars. Additionally, I also want to stress
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: that military aid is expensive. I also think we should
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: be slashing the Pentagon's budget and that we should be
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: closing in many of our military bases overseas. This is
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: a massive cost and We also need to be investigating
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: companies and contractors in the military industrial complex that have
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: essentially robbed the taxpayers of our money for their own profit.
• 48:34
  Speaker 11: So the current policy towards Taiwan is known as you've
• 48:38
  Speaker 11: talked about, strategic ambiguity, where you don't the US won't
• 48:42
  Speaker 11: say whether or not they're going to come in and
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: actively defend in the case of a Chinese assault on Taiwan.
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: Do you believe, as the memo says, and I believe
• 48:53
  Speaker 11: that you've said elsewhere, but just get it directly from you,
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: do you believe that policy should be altered.
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: Here's the thing. If we had a president who wasn't
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: a complete madman, like a complete psychopath, I would say,
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: let's not even touch it. If we had a president
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: aoc here who was able to balance these things at
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: one time, I would say, absolutely this is the policy
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: to go with. But we don't have that. We have
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: a guy who's waging a Christian war with Israel against
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: Iran with zero provocation. We need to ensure that we
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: are codifying major actions that we will need to take
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: regardless of the president under this administration, especially because no
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: one the United States, China, any other country in the
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: world has any idea what would happen if China does
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: invade Taiwan under this president. It could be wiping your
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: hands clean and saying I'm good. He could try to
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: nuke it. We have no idea. By codifying a response,
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: we can ensure that there is that deterrence for more
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: diplomatic solutions, which once again is the main thing I
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: The last thing I want is war with China. But
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: Trump is a madman, and we have no idea his
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: response to anything on the foreign or domestic stage. This
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: is why I even I mean, it's controversial to broach
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: the subject at all, but why I did so.
• 50:19
  Speaker 11: So the just one quick file of US so just
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: to make sure I understand what you're saying. So so, because
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: Trump is a mad man, you want to codify that
• 50:27
  Speaker 11: the US will definitely respond militarily if China moves on.
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: Will provide military aid to Taiwan if asked to defend
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: itself from an invasion. That military aid, of course being conditional.
• 50:41
  Speaker 11: An aid means shipping weapons, or to aid means actively
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: participating in shipping weapons.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: I know in the past I have said aid and
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: intercepting missiles at the beginning of an invasion. I think
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: that is on the table, but we should not have
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: US troops deployed on Taiwanese soil.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Obviously, the concern is that if you move away from
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: strategic ambiguity, which is meant to I don't know what
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: we'd do to enforcing this hard line and saying you know,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: we will respond, we will defund Taiwan, that that would
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: in fact provoke a direct conflict with China, and again
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: gets to the you know, the same concern about a
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: direct conflict with Russia. Obviously, nuclear armed superpower, incredibly capable
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: at this point in terms of their military and technology.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: So what gives you the confidence that drawing that harder
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: line is not going to actually escalate the conflict with China?
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, frankly, Biden did this in his last administration.
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: He mentioned that we need to be questioning where we
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: stand on strategic ambiguity, and the response that China had
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: was some angry op eds on the mainland, but did
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: not spirek full invasion into Taiwan.
• 51:56
  Speaker 11: So on a more kind of philosophical level, to get
• 51:59
  Speaker 11: to the heart of a foreign policy approach, you do
• 52:03
  Speaker 11: have a very deep and intuitive understanding of the problems
• 52:08
  Speaker 11: with the military industrial complex and also its willingness to
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: assist in a genocide in Gaza. I'm just curious, how
• 52:15
  Speaker 11: did you develop this comfort with using, you know, US
• 52:20
  Speaker 11: military support, intervention and US sanctions around the world, Like
• 52:27
  Speaker 11: what one would expect, Like for somebody who has seen
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: what the US is capable of when it intervenes, either
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: through sanctions policy or militarily, it'd say, you know what
• 52:39
  Speaker 11: this is like, we just need to roll We just
• 52:41
  Speaker 11: need to roll this back. Yeah, So where does the
• 52:44
  Speaker 11: comfort come from.
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't describe it as comfort at all. I mean,
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: my own family was expelled from Palestine in nineteen forty eight,
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: and there are still many of my family members that
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: don't have full civil or legal rights that have been
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: killed as a result of this genocide. It's not something
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: that I take any comfort in. But I also think
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: we need to be realistic in the right to self determination,
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: which I think is something that I hope you all understand.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: I'm very personally invested and passionate about, but I want
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: to do everything we possibly can to lead with humane
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: foreign policy under Trump. These are safeguards against him and
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: not knowing what his response would be, but I ideally
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: would like to not have to use them at all.
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: One of the you know, I studied international affairs, I
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: actually focused on security policy, like I really focused on atrocity, genocide,
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: and extremism in school. And one of my biggest passions,
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: one of my favorite courses and one of the things
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: that I've studied the most, is the value of public diplomacy,
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: of cultural exchange, of investing in infrastructure, of the need
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: to have trade between all of these countries in the
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: globalized world we have now, that is what I want
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: our foreign policy to be. I want to be rolling
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: back military bases abroad. I want to be cutting the
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: Pentagon's budget. We need to be investing it in housing, groceries,
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: and healthcare. Here we need not just a Marshall Plan,
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: but a new new deal for our federal government that
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: includes mass employment, that includes building more housing, that focuses
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: instead of bombs on actually helping folks here. But we
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: also will have to deal with the fact that we
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: are pariahs on the global stage. We need to recognize.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: I think one of the issues here when we're talking
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: about this is I mean what I say, and that's
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: not something you see a lot in politics, especially when
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: it comes to military aid. I feel very passionate about
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: sovereignty and I feel very passionate about human rights, and
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: that is part of why I am running for Congress
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: in the first place. I want to not just end
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: the genocide in Gaza and in the West Bank, but
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: also be working towards establishing Palestinian statehood and also ensuring
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: that any solution there is negotiated by the people actually
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: living there and not dictated by the United States. These
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: are all principles that can when it comes to military aid,
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: when it comes to public diplomacy, when it comes to
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: reparations for the Global South. It can be difficult to
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: hold them in, especially with the United States history of
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: intervention and imperialism, to hold them together and to understand
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: how they contradict and also understand how they're more complicated
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: than we would like to portray them. But that is
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: also part of the reason that I want to help
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: elect more progressives across the country, so we don't have
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: representatives that are behold into the military industrial complex, and
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: we can look at these issues with clear eyes and
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: also express disagreements and try to find the best path forward.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: It just seems that the two values are somewhat in conflict.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: The value of rolling back the bases over ease and
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: checking the military industrial complex and reclaiming some of that
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: funding so that instead of having austerity for social programs
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: we have austerity for the Pentagon seems to be in
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: conflict with the instinct to intervene in all of these
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: border disputes. And one other thing that I'll put there
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: too is, obviously we talggle about Ukraine and Taiwan a
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: lot because those are the places where the Empire has
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: the most interest and you know, is interested in checking
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: these geopolitical rivals in particular. But there are dozens of
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: border disputes around the world right now. So also, what
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: is the limiting principle for where you would want the
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: military engage, where you would want us intervening potentially covertly?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: You know, how do you reel that in if that's
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: the underlying principle.
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: First off, I don't support like covert CIA coups, and
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: I think this is something that we also need to
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: ensure that we are holding people accountable for that we
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: are investigating these types of interventions that we have made.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: These are things that I think we should be saying
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: publicly and above board, or at least discussing publicly and
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: above board, because that lack of transparency when it comes
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: to any sort of intervention has been limited in the past.
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: And when it comes to these two issues in particular,
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: not only have we made a commitment, actually full stop,
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: we have made a commitment, and I also want to
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: stress that any sort of aid to these two states
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: has to come with consent from those states. You are
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: absolutely right, crystal of like, these are geopolitical rivals, but
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: it also means that when they are doing an imperialism,
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: when they are invading another country, they aren't necessarily in
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: the right just because they're not the United States. Yes,
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: these are two very hot button topics that involve two
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: of our biggest geopolitical rivals, but there are also two
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: commitments that we have made, and when it comes to invasion,
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: if we have made that commitment, we should absolutely stand
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: by it with the consent of those countries and not
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: putting our troops on the ground. But first off, exhausting
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: every diplomatic option beforehand.
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: Are there any models for intervention, either diplomatic or military
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: that you would uplift as like this is how, this
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: is how it should be done, and this was actually
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: effective at producing self determination in the country where it
• 58:28
  Speaker 11: was brought to.
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: I'm actually going to go a little bit aside from
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: that question to one of my favorite examples of public
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: diplomacy that when I first heard like the first half
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: of this, I was like, I don't know about that,
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: and then by the end of it was on board
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: with So bear with me here. One of my professors
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: was Apao in a Middle Eastern country, a public affairs officer,
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: and during Ramadan this was I believe in like twenty
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: fourteen early twenty ten, they worked with a local film
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: group to create a TV series about the realities of
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: being an ISIS bride, of being a woman recruited to ISIS,
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: and the horror of I think all of us can
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: agree that women undergo when they are recruited by ISIS.
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: It was largely paid for with a coalition of dollars,
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: but also pushed by the American by the American government,
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: but it was had complete control by the filmmakers who
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: were local that wrote it, distributed it, and it was
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: aired during Rabadon the next year, ISIS recruitment of women
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: went down by like seventy five percent. That is I
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: think a yes, it is a small example, but an
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: example of actually beneficial US involvement in diplomacy, but also
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: actively working towards a goal. Of course that is much
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: smaller than providing military aid or trying to negotiate border disputes.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: But this is the type of public diplomacy and humane
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: foreign policy that I think we should be leading with
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: by putting it in the hands of the people that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: actually live there, of the leaders who are actually there,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: of addressing the issues that they actually want to address,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: and not saying we are the cops that are dictating
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: what you have to do, but instead asking, look, especially
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: as we're going to have to make a lot of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: we're going to have to be on like a twenty
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: year apology tour after this presidency and after you know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: the last hundred years of American foreign policy, of we
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: have immense resources and these are actual issues on the ground,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: and if we are going to be involved in this
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: globalized world, how do you want us to be involved?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: And in terms of a military intervention or action, is
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: there a model that you know that you would point
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: to that is sort of reflective of the value that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: you support.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, unfortunately, the war that I can think that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: the United States was on the right of is World
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: War Two. And I can point to the fact that
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: appeasement didn't work, but that working with and arming countries
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: that did fight against invasion was successful. But it did
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: have a massive toll, which is why we need to
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: have firmer commitment to international law, international laws that didn't
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: exist until after that war, and ensuring that we are
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: truly trying to follow those principles, laws that, by the way,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: were created by both the United States and the Soviet Union.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: But the truth is, over the last hundred years, the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: only consistency we've really seen is across the board the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: effects of imperialism and the model for fascism on the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: global scale, targeting visible minorities, queer people, educational institutions, and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: trying to silo a population in its within its borders
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: while targeting another population. So we are kind of on
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: uncharted territory here, and I think it's on us, not
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: just as the United States, but as a planet to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: be committing to the values that we believe in trying
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: something new.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: There's an argument. I'm curious for you. I'm sure you've
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 11: seen it. I'm curious for your take on it. That
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: kind of hawkish wing of the US security establishment overlearned
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: the lesson of World War Two and now tries to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 11: frame all diplomacy as appeasement. That any any diplomacy with
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 11: somebody that you considered to be adversarial is by then
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: definition appeasement and will lead to them worse things. So
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: we actually have to you actually have to confront Confrontation
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 11: has to be the lead. What's your I'm sure you've
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 11: heard that argument. What's your counter to it?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: I think it's a dumb argument. Frankly, like I said,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: you know a lot of American politicians on both sides
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: want to paint China as a boogeyman. I think that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: we can be using deterrence not just as a way
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: to stop an invasion of Taiwan, but also as a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: stopgap to build diplomatic relations between the US and China.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: We live in a globalized world and we have to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: act like it. We have to be encouraging more trade relationships.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: We have to be encouraging investment infrastructure and renewable energy.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: We have to be collaborating on innovation, and you know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: maybe that sounds pollyanna ish, but I don't care. I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: think that this is the future of our world. If
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: we want to have any chance of surviving climate change,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: we want to have any chance of surviving we're not
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: enduring a thermonuclear war. That collaboration and diplomacy is essential,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: and you will have to do it with countries you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: like and countries you don't like. And I think that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: specific argument that you mentioned, especially by warhawks, is frankly
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: kind of idiotic. I would just go back.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: To the example of Ukraine, because I think it illustrates
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: some of the difficult choices here where you know, very
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: early there was a diplomatic effort, and we know kind
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: of the contours of what that deal would have looked like,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: and it is a much better deal than what would
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: likely be on the table for Ukraine today. And it
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: obviously comes four years before we've had this mass you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: death and destruction and the loss effectively of an entire generation,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: if not two generations of Ukrainian men, and heavy battlefield losses.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: So, you know, how do you think.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: About weighing and balancing the fact that there's no doubt
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: right in a lot of ways, it would have been
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: an unjust outcome at that point in time because Russia
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: would have taken some territory based on that invasion. Nevertheless,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: it would be a superior outcome to what is likely
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: to be achievable at this point.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: Once again, I think that in that instance it should
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: have been up to Ukraine and not pressure by other
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: countries outside of Ukraine.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: This is an argument of sovereignty in my opinion, and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: if that is what the country of Ukraine chooses to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: do and what they have negotiated, that should be their prerogative.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: And the United States is not Ukraine. I'm not sure
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: if y'all have heard this. We are not Ukraine and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: it should be up to that country to be able
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: to decide its future.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: So APAC has apparently been coming after you, kat Ryan,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: maybe you should set this up because you know the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: details of who exactly this a PAC affiliated super pack
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Chicago Progressive Partnership is.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this seems like a new one. Originally they were
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 11: doing well. They had two in their Affordable Chicago now
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 11: ironically a pack biting Mom Donnie's kind of affordability message.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 11: And then they had one elect Chicago Women.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: Now they call it ECW because it's already so toxic.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 11: So immediately their their bake pack had took on a
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 11: level of toxility that they had to ultate.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Docs.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so they're coming after you for with positions you
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 11: held in high school, am I?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, hold on, let me describe this ad to y'all.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: So I grew up like Reagan Republican because my mom
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: was a white Texan and my dad was like, yeah,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: assimilation's great. And so when I was about fifteen, I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: started questioning whether Ronald Reagan was right about everything. He
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: was wrong pretty much about everything, and Trump had just
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: announced his presidency around then, and so I was like,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: maybe Marco Rubio is the answer. Which anyways, I wrote
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: an op ed in my high school paper, which is
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: now defunct. By the way, I got it shut down
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: for writing a story on students cheating and the alumni
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: association didn't like that. But they quoted this paper twice
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: in an AD to try to paint me as a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: secret Republican literally my high school paper. Additionally, have they
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: used AI to like give me Mara a loco face
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: on a pin next to Marco Rubio's face. It's really
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: incredible stuff. Also, the entire thing is like, who is
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: kat Aba Gazale? We don't know, as if there aren't
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: thousands of pages of my own reporting and federal indictments
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: to let people know. But genuinely made me laugh out loud.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 11: So you've been on a journey since then, So talk
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 11: about how you wound up where you are now, because
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 11: I think we have g six here. I think along
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 11: the way on this journey you were a bit enamored
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 11: of Pete Boy.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: You had high hopes for Pete, high hopes, had high
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: hopes for Pete's for Pete.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 11: What was it about the Buddha Judge campaign that like
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 11: attracted you then? And if like, is that where you
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 11: are politically now? Or would you if today's kat was
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 11: back in the twenty twenty presidential election, would you support
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 11: a different.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: I would be supporting Bernie Sanders. So I, uh, so,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: I grew up in this like you know, fiscally conservative household,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: and then we moved and where we moved to was
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: much less segregated by income than where I had originally
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: grown up. So I was about fifteen and one of
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: my friends, who absolutely brilliant, so much smarter and more
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 7: talented than me, couldn't go to college. She wanted to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: be a doctor, and she couldn't go to college. She
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: still hasn't because she had to help take care of
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: her family. And it kind of it was like that
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: puncture that I needed to break this conservative sphere I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: was in where I was like, but you did everything right,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: you did the bootstraps, you got the scholarship, Like, what
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: do you mean you can't go to college. So that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: was when I started questioning things. By the end of
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: the twenty sixteen election, I was canvassing for Hillargate at
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: some voter registration drives and I was like, I'm a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: Democrat now. And then throughout college I started to go
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 7: more and more to the left, specifically focusing on atrocity, genocide,
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  Speaker 7: and extremism because there was also this idea my parents
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  Speaker 7: also came on this journey with me of a lot
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  Speaker 7: of our values didn't align with this party that we
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  Speaker 7: said we were a part of. Like, at no point
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  Speaker 7: during my childhood did I feel like I couldn't do
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  Speaker 7: something just because I was a woman. I was very
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  Speaker 7: passionate about Palestinian sovereignty since I was a little kid.
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  Speaker 7: I actually got put in I couldn't go to recess
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  Speaker 7: one day because I corrected my fifth grade teacher on settlements.
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  Speaker 7: But in college I just started kind of I was
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  Speaker 7: coming to this idea of like, well, you know, we
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  Speaker 7: need the guy that will appeal to everyone, and I thought.
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  Speaker 7: I actually wrote a paper in my senior year where
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  Speaker 7: I was like, Pete Boodh Judge is the voud Castota candidate,
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  Speaker 7: Like you can just get it at a bar and
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  Speaker 7: it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah.
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  Speaker 7: By twenty twenty, I graduated. I had gone to school
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  Speaker 7: to either become a foreign service officer or to work
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  Speaker 7: for like a legacy media outlet, and I graduated into
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  Speaker 7: May twenty twenty, and I was very disenchanted with both
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  Speaker 7: our government and legacy media, which is why I started
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  Speaker 7: looking for jobs that align more with my values. In
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  Speaker 7: By the time of like January twenty twenty, I was
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  Speaker 7: very much in Bernie's camp, and I wish that in
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  Speaker 7: twenty sixteen I could have been a part of that too,
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  Speaker 7: even though I was sixteen seventeen years old. But really
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  Speaker 7: covering the far right and seeing how ineffective Democrats have
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  Speaker 7: been in addressing the threat of the far right has
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  Speaker 7: been essential in shaping my worldview. Like we told them
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  Speaker 7: about January sixth, before it happened. We told them about
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  Speaker 7: where the DEI CRT anti trans panic would lead. We
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  Speaker 7: told them about how attacking encampments under the guise of
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  Speaker 7: protecting students from anti Semitism was actually aligning with people
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  Speaker 7: spreading the Great Replacement theory. And they didn't listen. And
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  Speaker 7: so that's why I decided to run for Congress, because
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  Speaker 7: I wanted someone in Congress who understood the far right,
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  Speaker 7: and I do.
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  Speaker 2: And lastly, Kat, just tell people, you know, when is
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  Speaker 2: the primary, how's the campaign going, and how can they
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  Speaker 2: support you if they're so inclined down the stretch.
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  Speaker 7: If I've redeemed myself at all in this interview. You
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  Speaker 7: can find our website Caatpreillinois dot com. That's Kat with
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  Speaker 7: a k.
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  Speaker 4: Our.
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  Speaker 7: Primary day is March seventeenth. Early voting has already started
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  Speaker 7: all over the district. The ninth District of Illinois goes
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  Speaker 7: from uptown Chicago at Evanston, West Toscogie, and then all
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  Speaker 7: the way to Crystal Lake in Algonquin. It is Jerrymander
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  Speaker 7: to hell. It looks like Maryland onozepic. But we would
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  Speaker 7: love your help, so you can join our discord, discord
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  Speaker 7: from anywhere. You can doorknock it you're local. We could
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  Speaker 7: really use your help. Of the three viable candidates in
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  Speaker 7: this race, I am the only one who has not
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  Speaker 7: met with or submitted a position paper to Apak. I
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  Speaker 7: was the first one to call for impeachment. And we
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  Speaker 7: are the only campaign in this entire race of sixteen
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  Speaker 7: candidates that is funded by majority small dollar donations.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we really appreciate you doing the interview and just
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  Speaker 2: clarifying where you stand. I don't think you need redemption,
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  Speaker 2: but people just go to know, Okay, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: are your views?
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  Speaker 7: And no, absolutely, I mean like I'm joking when I
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  Speaker 7: say that, but like the main thing is like, look,
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  Speaker 7: we can disagree on these, but I always want to
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  Speaker 7: be clear about where I stand.
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  Speaker 4: I am.
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  Speaker 7: Since I was a little kid, my belief has been
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  Speaker 7: you have to stick to your morals, even to your
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  Speaker 7: own detriment or even if it, you know, pisses someone off.
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  Speaker 7: So this is where I stand, and I hope, hope
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  Speaker 7: that we were able to clarify this.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate that, Kat, Thank you so much. Good luck, great
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we'll pick them up. Don't worry, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get to that hypocrisy. That one is not going
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  Speaker 1: One.
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  Speaker 2: Last point in personal privilege. Happy birthday to my daughter
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  Speaker 2: Ella Credible, who is turning eighteen today, which I'm in
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  Speaker 2: denial about. I think she's in denial about too, but
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  Speaker 2: love her very much and excited about the young woman
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  Speaker 2: she has been.
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  Speaker 1: Happy birthday Ella, as a girl. Dad, I'm already dreading.
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  Speaker 3: You can say this eyes forever, all right, thank you
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  Speaker 3: on Thursday. Great show for everybody tomorrow though,