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Episode #3984 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive April 2000 · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to another Radio Archive Hour from the world-famous
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Speaker 1: Radio Hall of Fame, Phil Hendry Show and philhendryshow.com.
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Speaker 2: This is from April of.
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Speaker 1: 2000, and it's Jeff Dauter, a character that was based
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Speaker 1: entirely on guys that I knew when I was growing
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Speaker 1: up in high school. But Jeff is a little bit more,
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Speaker 1: I get probably a little smarter, although I knew guys
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Speaker 1: like this too, had some brains.
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Speaker 2: They just sounded like they were, you know, burnouts.
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Speaker 1: But Jeff Dauter is from Caltech. He's actually a doctor
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Speaker 1: of mechanical physics, whatever that is. And he joined the
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Speaker 1: program to comment on the suggestion that the state of
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Speaker 1: California might soon be turning human waste into safe drinking water.
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Speaker 2: Let's listen, shall we? Jeff Dowder from Caltech is with us.
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Speaker 3: He's a professor of mechanical physics there at California Institute
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Speaker 3: of Technology. And, Jeff, I guess the first thing that
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Speaker 3: I would want to ask you is, is this a
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Speaker 3: feasible program turning... drinking water, turning something into drinking water
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Speaker 3: from toilet water.
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Speaker 2: Can it be done?
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Speaker 4: Well, Phil, first of all, I think it's important to
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Speaker 4: understand in the state of California where we do not
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Speaker 4: have potable, an abundance of potable water, anything that we
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Speaker 4: try is good. But I think water reclamation, which converts
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Speaker 4: toilet water into drinking water, this has been tried before.
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Speaker 4: California has a drought situation, and it's a bad situation.
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Speaker 2: So we need to try everything?
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think we need to try everything. This
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Speaker 4: water is purified almost 100%. It's completely potable. You cannot
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Speaker 4: purify water 100%.
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Speaker 3: So when you said it's purified almost 100%, what are
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Speaker 3: we talking about here?
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Speaker 4: Well, you cannot purify water 100%. It's not possible. But
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Speaker 4: what's left over is mostly protein, and you cannot see
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Speaker 4: the imperfection of the water. mostly proteins and minerals that
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Speaker 4: are left over.
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Speaker 2: Now, let me be clear here.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about taking drinking water, and in this new
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Speaker 3: reclamation project that some people are proposing for the state
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Speaker 3: of California, and I guess for any state where water
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Speaker 3: and droughts and water shortages and droughts are a common thing,
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Speaker 3: you're taking water from human waste.
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Speaker 4: Well, before you make it sound like it's the worst
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Speaker 4: thing that ever happened, let me just say that purifying
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Speaker 4: people's human waste, what you would call human waste material,
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Speaker 4: purifying is not a very difficult step, and it's not
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Speaker 4: something that is an impossibility. This is entirely safe. It's
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Speaker 4: long overdue. People who are against it, I think, are
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Speaker 4: people who are simply not educated, and there needs to
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Speaker 4: I'll be undertaken, I think, an educational. This is the
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Speaker 4: best way, I think, right now for us to solve
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Speaker 4: this problem.
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Speaker 3: Well, there were a lot of people saying during the
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Speaker 3: drought that they could have desalination plants where they would.
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Speaker 4: That's way too expensive, Phil. You're talking about taking the
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Speaker 4: salt out of seawater, right?
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Way too expensive. Of the desalination plants that I know of,
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Speaker 4: there's one in Saudi Arabia. It's billions of dollars. But
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Speaker 4: human beings eliminate... Billions and billions of gallons and pounds
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Speaker 4: of waste every day around the world. And that's simply
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Speaker 4: something that's not being recycled or used. When you look
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Speaker 4: at urine, which is practically water, I mean, how many
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Speaker 4: times a day, Mr. Henry, would you say that you urinate?
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Speaker 2: Are you asking me?
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that I'm comfortable going in.
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Speaker 4: All right, okay. I mean, I'm sorry to ask you,
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Speaker 4: but I'll say, like, for me... I probably am there,
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Speaker 4: I probably urinate, I don't know, five times a day,
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Speaker 4: six times a day, okay? And what that means is
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Speaker 4: you have that amount of possibly potable drinking water that's
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Speaker 4: being not used.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but how feasible is it?
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Speaker 3: You're talking about all human waste, turning it into some
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Speaker 3: kind of usable byproduct.
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Speaker 2: Drinking water.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, for the purposes of your audience, you
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Speaker 4: could say you're trying to talk about number one or
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Speaker 4: number two. I mean, you can take number one and
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Speaker 4: turn it into.
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Speaker 3: What do you mean number one or number... You're talking
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Speaker 3: about urine or.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: Well, see, people are uncomfortable with it, so I was
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Speaker 4: just saying number one, number two. You can talk about
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Speaker 4: bowel movement or whatever you want. I was just saying
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Speaker 4: number two.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so how feasible is this in the reclamation process
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Speaker 3: to be able to turn this stuff into drinking water?
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Speaker 4: It's 100% feasible. It is 100% doable. It is something
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Speaker 4: that I think the state can look at and can
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Speaker 4: begin to realize. When we look at all the drought
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Speaker 4: situation we've got, the drinking water situation that we have,
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Speaker 4: remember there's already a lot of water mixed in when
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Speaker 4: you go to the bathroom. There's water mixed in already.
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Speaker 4: I can tell, for instance, the time that I have
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Speaker 4: to go to the bathroom the most is after I've
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Speaker 4: had like a sixer of some tall boys or something,
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Speaker 4: you know, or a couple of frosty ones you need
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Speaker 4: to go. That could be recycled out.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's.
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Speaker 3: Just say that you've had a six-pack of beer and
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Speaker 3: you have to go.
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Speaker 2: How much of that is reusable?
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Speaker 4: Almost 100%.
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Speaker 3: When you say almost 100%, can you.
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Speaker 2: Turn that into water?
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Speaker 4: You can turn that into drinking water, yes, sir.
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Speaker 2: How much, and it's 100% pure?
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Speaker 4: It is not 100% pure. It is almost 100%, but 100%
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Speaker 4: is reusable.
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Speaker 2: But you're telling me that it's not pure.
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Speaker 4: No, I'm telling you it is pure. I'm telling you
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Speaker 4: it is drinkable. It's 100% safe. Is it 100% pure?
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Speaker 4: That's not the question. A very high percentage of it
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Speaker 4: is pure. There's some protein mixed in.
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Speaker 2: So there's some leftover?
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Speaker 4: Leftover what? I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: What are you saying?
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Speaker 3: You're talking about reclaiming human waste and turning it into
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Speaker 3: drinking water. How much of that is absolutely pure drinking water?
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Speaker 4: It's all drinkable. It's all potable water.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but how much of that stuff, how much of
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Speaker 2: it's pure?
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Speaker 4: Almost 100%.
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Speaker 2: So that's the answer to my question. It's not 100% pure.
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Speaker 4: But you're missing the point. You can drink it. First
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Speaker 4: of all, the impurities you cannot see with the naked eye.
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Speaker 4: Second of all, the impurities... are for the most part
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Speaker 4: proteins and minerals that are not toxic at all. So
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Speaker 4: you can't get poison or anything. There's no urine poison.
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Speaker 4: There's no number two left. It's all, you know, very drinkable.
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Speaker 4: And what I'm saying is... Yeah, and.
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Speaker 3: You're a, you teach what, Dr. Dowder, you're teaching mechanical
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Speaker 3: physics at Caltech?
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Speaker 4: That's correct.
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Speaker 3: Okay, because I was just wondering, maybe you could say
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Speaker 3: something other than there's no number two left, you know?
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm just trying to relate to your audience.
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Speaker 4: That's all.
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Speaker 3: I think that my audience is mature enough to understand
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Speaker 3: what you're talking about. What we're discussing here is byproducts.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned here that not only liquid waste but solid
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Speaker 3: human waste.
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Speaker 4: That's correct. And that can be processed. And it can
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Speaker 4: be processed into a variety of elements that are usable
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Speaker 4: in just about every walk of human life. That's the
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Speaker 4: exciting thing about reclaiming human waste. Toilet-to-tap program. It's not
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Speaker 4: only the toilet to the tap, it can be the
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Speaker 4: toilet to your front yard, the toilet to your shower.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean the toilet to the shower?
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Speaker 4: Because a lot of it can be recycled into soap.
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Speaker 4: A lot of human waste can be recycled into fertilizer, clothing, kitchenware, fuel, furniture, housing,
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Speaker 4: automotive uses. It's tremendous, Mr. Henry. You take about the
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Speaker 4: average human bowel movement can be transferred into, they can
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Speaker 4: use it in film, television, radio, entertainment. All of this
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Speaker 4: is possible because we are now in a state of
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Speaker 4: technological development where our recycling is at 100%. And I
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Speaker 4: think that we've got to look at it and think
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Speaker 4: about the possibilities about doing it. It's not a matter
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Speaker 4: of whether you like it or not. It's a matter
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Speaker 4: of whether it's on its way and you've got to
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Speaker 4: get used to it.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if the state decides that they're going
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Speaker 3: to do this toilet-to-tap, this recycling of human waste, turning
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Speaker 3: it into water, turning it into... Are you telling me
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Speaker 3: that they can take... This stuff and turn it into,
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Speaker 3: you mentioned entertainment, film, TV, and radio?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: Automotive uses.
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Speaker 2: So what? So vinyl, so.
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Speaker 4: In the manufacturing of CDs. Yes, sir.
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Speaker 2: So, just so I know, guy sits on a toilet.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: And the next thing you know, they're making CDs and
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Speaker 3: compact cassette tape?
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Speaker 4: That's right. Microphones... Anything. That's the beauty of it, and
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Speaker 4: that's why we're trying to get people to understand it,
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Speaker 4: because it's on its way.
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Speaker 2: This is a fait accompli.
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Speaker 4: This is going to happen in the state of California.
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Speaker 4: That either you get on board and understand that when
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Speaker 4: you stand in front of a urinal or you sit
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Speaker 4: down to answer nature's call, that could turn up in
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Speaker 4: some pottery. You can fire it and use it in.
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Speaker 4: Ceramics, things like that. It's what you want to use
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Speaker 4: it for. And we're only limited by the limitations of
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Speaker 4: our minds. We can use it in the production of
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Speaker 4: affordable automobiles for people. I mean.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all well and good. And when we get back, Mr. Dowder,
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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you a little bit more
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Speaker 3: about it. But I just wonder, in terms of forcing
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Speaker 3: this down the throats of people, if you'll pardon the expression,
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Speaker 3: whether people in the state of California don't want this,
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Speaker 3: we're talking about reclaiming and recycling human waste and turning
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Speaker 3: it into drinkable water, furniture, fuel, fertilizer.
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Speaker 4: It's all on its way. People just got to get
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Speaker 4: with it and get used to it, because whether they
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Speaker 4: like it or not, they're going to be drinking it. And,
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Speaker 4: you know, I think it's going to be a great
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Speaker 4: thing for people to drink their own urine. And I
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Speaker 4: think it's where we're headed. And I think it's probably
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Speaker 4: a good way of realizing that we're realizing our potential.
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Speaker 2: Drinking our own urine.
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Speaker 4: That's correct. Yes, sir.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Jeff Dauter on the line with us here.
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Speaker 3: The state of California thinking of and getting ready to
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Speaker 3: implement these reclamation plants, Toilet to Tap, making safe drinking
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Speaker 3: water from what comes out of your toilet. 1-800, what
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Speaker 3: a great name for it too. I think in terms
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Speaker 3: of public relations, it's going to sell it up and
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Speaker 3: down the state, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Toilet to Tap. Phil Hendry Show. Phil Henry Show, 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 3: With Jeff Dauter on the line here, we're talking about
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Speaker 3: a water reclamation project in California, Toilet to Tap, making
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Speaker 3: it feasible, safe, and affordable to drink water that has
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Speaker 3: been cycled out of your toilet. Also, to reclaim human
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Speaker 3: waste to use in industry. Fertilizers, soaps, clothing, kitchenware, fuel, furniture, housing, automotive.
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Speaker 2: Uses, uh....
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Speaker 3: There was one other thing there, Mr. Dowder, that you
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Speaker 3: were mentioning. I forget what it was. Entertainment, film, TV,
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Speaker 3: and radio. All of this can be used, and you're
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Speaker 3: saying that this is just a matter of time.
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Speaker 4: Well, right now, Phil, they're going to be doing it,
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Speaker 4: whether people like it or not. This is something that
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Speaker 4: I'm personally a very strong believer in, and it's something
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Speaker 4: that I think is going to change the world. Ten
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Speaker 4: years from now, I think people look at what I've
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Speaker 4: been able to do and realize that I wasn't wrong.
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Speaker 2: What you've been able to do.
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Speaker 4: Well, because, I mean, I'm very much a proponent of this.
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Speaker 4: Before recycling, the reclamation plants are up and running so
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Speaker 4: that we all have access to them. The best way
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Speaker 4: to do this right now, if people want to test
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Speaker 4: this out, is they do have human waste material can
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Speaker 4: be taken directly to the reclamation plants. And so that.
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Speaker 3: So in other words, you can't do it by way
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Speaker 3: of the toilet, but you can take it to the plant?
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Speaker 4: You could take it over.
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Speaker 3: How do you do that? If you're talking about transporting
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Speaker 3: human waste.
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Speaker 2: Well, you can.
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Speaker 4: It can be mailed directly to the reclamation plant, or
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Speaker 4: you can drive it over. I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Well, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the bathroom in a bag and.
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Speaker 4: You can seal it and transport it to the reclamation plant.
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Speaker 4: If you have a bowel movement into a bag, hop
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Speaker 4: in a car, drive it over... I mean, to me,
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Speaker 4: and a lot of the plants right now, Pasadena, Van Nuys,
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Speaker 4: Thousand Oaks, Laguna Hills, Downey, these are places right now
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Speaker 4: where we're going to be targeting to see how feasible
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Speaker 4: it is in terms of them communities.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so, again, I'm supposed to get a bag, and
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Speaker 2: then I just drive it over?
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Speaker 4: Right now, Phil, what I'm saying is people want to
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Speaker 4: see how effective it is. You can't drive it over.
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Speaker 4: They don't have toilets to tap right now.
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Speaker 3: All right, here is El Paso on the Phil Henry Show.
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Speaker 2: Hello.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to say this. Liberal guy you
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Speaker 6: got on here? This is disgusting, this measure, toilet to tap.
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Speaker 6: I think it's disgusting.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean, liberal guy?
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Speaker 6: Well, he sounds like a liberal, an environmentalist wacko.
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Speaker 2: An environmentalist wacko?
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Speaker 6: His feces in a bag and driving it down to
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Speaker 6: the recycling station.
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Speaker 4: I'm talking about trying to get clean drinking water.
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Speaker 6: We already have clean drinking water.
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Speaker 4: No, in the state of California. In the state of California, okay?
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Speaker 4: And desalination plants cost too much, if you knew what
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Speaker 4: you were talking about.
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Speaker 6: I know what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 4: No, you don't. Desalination costs too much. You're talking about
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Speaker 4: billions of dollars. Well, let's spend it there first before
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Speaker 4: we have people put their feet in a bag and
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Speaker 4: drive it.
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Speaker 6: Down to the plant so it can be used to
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Speaker 6: make a car.
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Speaker 4: I think I recommend it for you.
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Speaker 6: I mean, that's ridiculous.
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Speaker 4: Maybe the rest of us could use desalination. If you
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Speaker 4: want to drink piss water and put your feet in
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Speaker 4: a bag and take it down to the bank, go ahead.
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Speaker 4: Maybe what we do is feed the piss water to
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Speaker 4: the conservatives and have the liberals drink the clean water.
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Speaker 4: What do you think of that?
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Speaker 6: Well, everybody drinks the clean water.
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Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 6: The conservatives and the liberals want clean water and clean air.
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Speaker 4: Well, then what are you talking about the liberals for?
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Speaker 4: Nobody's trying to dirty anything. What are you talking about
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Speaker 4: liberal for?
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Speaker 6: Because this sounds like a liberal idea.
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Speaker 4: In other words, it sounds like a good idea.
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Speaker 6: No, I don't think so.
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Speaker 4: Any good idea is a liberal idea.
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Speaker 2: With all the worry about E.
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Speaker 6: Coli and all that stuff going on, you expect people
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Speaker 6: to actually drink tap water that's recycled from human waste?
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Speaker 4: I'm saying all you've got to do is go in
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Speaker 4: a bag and take it over and see for yourself.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't think so.
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Speaker 4: If there's a reclamation plan.
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Speaker 6: It won't be happening with me.
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Speaker 4: You've never squatted over a bag?
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Speaker 6: I'll just do what I do. You know, as far
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Speaker 6: as Mexico's concerned, don't drink the water.
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Speaker 4: Where are you calling from?
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Speaker 6: I'm calling from El Paso.
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Speaker 4: We're right on the border. Then you've probably squatted over
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Speaker 4: more than one bag in your day.
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Speaker 6: No, we don't recycle waste here. We have water conservation.
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Speaker 6: We have days we can't water, things like that.
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Speaker 2: What's it like in Texas? I mean, that's an arid
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Speaker 2: state at times, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 2: Part of it's desert, although you do have the Rio
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Speaker 2: Grande down there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I know the guys at El Paso... they've
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Speaker 4: had to do their fair share of reclamation, too. Well,
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Speaker 4: we do our fair share of conservation, but we're not so.
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Speaker 6: Bad off we need to use human waste. I can
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Speaker 6: understand gray water, using that to water lawns and shrubs,
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Speaker 6: things like that.
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Speaker 4: But this is ridiculous. What's the matter with it?
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Speaker 6: Have a bowel movement in a bag and drive it
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Speaker 6: down to a plant?
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Speaker 4: I'm saying that human waste is recyclable and reusable, and
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Speaker 4: until we start looking into all of these options... We're
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Speaker 4: going to find ourselves at the short end of the
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Speaker 4: stick one of these days in terms of our environment,
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Speaker 4: in terms of our energy, and in terms of keeping
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Speaker 4: a pollution-free hardscape.
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Speaker 6: Well, I just don't think it's feasible.
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Speaker 4: I would rather... It's not necessary.
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Speaker 5: It's nasty.
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Speaker 4: I've got the scientific data to prove that it's feasible.
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Speaker 6: I mean, just... What, are we supposed to drink this stuff, too?
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 6: Well, you go ahead and drink it, not me.
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Speaker 4: Well, the day may come when you don't have no choice.
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Speaker 6: Well, when that day comes, then I'll figure something out.
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Speaker 4: When that day comes, you'll crap in a bag? No way.
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to drink recycled human waste.
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Speaker 4: If you have to, will you crap in a bag?
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Speaker 5: What?
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Speaker 4: If you have to, if it came to that, would
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Speaker 4: you crap into a bag?
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Speaker 6: Oh, if you go to the doctor or something and
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Speaker 6: you have to have.
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Speaker 4: A test done, you'd crap in a little bottle or something. No,
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Speaker 4: I'm talking about in terms of energy conservation.
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Speaker 6: No, there's no need to crap in a bag. That's
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Speaker 6: what you have toilets for. We're civilized people.
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Speaker 4: I understand that, but I'm talking about taking it down
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Speaker 4: and having it recycled. Wouldn't you crap in a bag
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Speaker 4: and have it recycled?
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Speaker 6: No, not for what you're proposing.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think you're very short-sighted, sir.
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Speaker 6: Well, we're talking about human waste.
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Speaker 4: We have worries about E.
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Speaker 6: Coli and bacteria.
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Speaker 4: That's right. Well, that's obviously purified.
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Speaker 6: Then you have to worry about people.
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Speaker 4: Keeping things clean and neat and not spilling it. I
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Speaker 4: would suggest you could crap into a bag and have
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Speaker 4: it turned into furniture, and you wouldn't do that.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 4: You wouldn't crap into a bag and have it turned
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Speaker 4: into an automotive use.
16:43
Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 4: All right, sir.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your call.
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Speaker 4: Been over there and seen the plant.
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Speaker 3: We're back on the Phil Henry Show, 1-800-449-8686 with Jeff Dauter,
16:55
Speaker 3: who is a professor of mechanical physics, trying to explain
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Speaker 3: the water reclamation project that is being proposed for the
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Speaker 3: state of California. This is a state, you know, and
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Speaker 3: we may have this problem, Jeff, nationwide.
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Speaker 2: Someday, right?
17:10
Speaker 4: There's no doubt that the water table is changing and
17:13
Speaker 4: that even states that traditionally have an abundance of drinking water,
17:17
Speaker 4: such as Minnesota or a lot of the upper Midwestern
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Speaker 4: states or northeastern states, at some time are going to
17:23
Speaker 4: have to deal with a lack of drinking water.
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Speaker 3: All right, and then having been said, what they're inaugurating
17:30
Speaker 3: in California is a toilet-to-tap program, safe, feasible, and that
17:35
Speaker 3: is a program where you drink recycled urine. I get
17:38
Speaker 3: water from the toilet, and this is going to solve
17:41
Speaker 3: problems in a state where we've had problems widespread droughts.
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Speaker 4: Not only that, but it's also the human solid waste
17:47
Speaker 4: as well as liquid waste can be recycled back into
17:51
Speaker 4: a variety of papers, inks, shoe leather.
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Speaker 3: You can take solid human waste and turn it into
17:59
Speaker 3: a shoe.
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Speaker 4: I didn't say that, but you can treat the leather
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Speaker 4: with it. Number two can be used for floor waxes,
18:06
Speaker 4: for linoleums. You can use number two to grease elevator shafts.
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Speaker 2: You know, you don't You don't have to say number two, okay?
18:13
Speaker 4: Well, I just didn't want to offend anybody. But number
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Speaker 4: two can be used for a lot. Number one, you
18:17
Speaker 4: can drink. Number two, you can use to grease elevator shafts.
18:21
Speaker 4: But number one and number two, it's time for us
18:24
Speaker 4: to do the do. I mean, it's time for us
18:26
Speaker 4: to get with it and to save our planet and
18:29
Speaker 4: to save our ecology because the state of California is
18:32
Speaker 4: running out of time.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Agoura on the Phil Henry Show.
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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 7: Yes, hi.
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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 8: I just want to say I am very into saving
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Speaker 8: our planet, and I recycle everything, but I find the
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Speaker 8: whole thing about saving the urine and saving number two
18:50
Speaker 8: and driving it is just disgusting to me.
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Speaker 4: I'm saying what I guess I didn't make myself clear, ma'am.
18:56
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I said you can take your number two
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Speaker 4: and drive it over to a reclamation plant and watch
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Speaker 4: them recycle it so you can see for yourself what
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Speaker 4: it would mean in terms of the widespread program. You know,
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Speaker 4: I just think it's too.
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Speaker 8: Much to ask for people to take it in their
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Speaker 8: car and drive it.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's be clear here. Dr.
19:16
Speaker 3: Dauter, you're saying that's not what people are going to
19:19
Speaker 3: be doing. That's what they're doing before.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, before the toilet-to-tap program is inaugurated, until we can
19:24
Speaker 4: actually have that toilet-to-tap. Uh-huh.
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I don't mind recycling a lot of things,
19:31
Speaker 8: but I think this is something that maybe we should
19:34
Speaker 8: not recycle.
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Speaker 4: Why?
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Speaker 8: I just, I think it's kind of disgusting when I
19:40
Speaker 8: think about, like, wearing shoes made out of.
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Speaker 4: You know... No, it's not made out of it. It's
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Speaker 4: treated with human waste.
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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 4: If you, for instance, ma'am, there is a reclamation plant
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Speaker 4: in your area. You're in Agoura.
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Speaker 5: Right.
19:53
Speaker 4: There is a reclamation plant in Van Nuys. If you
19:57
Speaker 4: will just... And I don't know how you want to
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Speaker 4: do it, but you can go into a bag or
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Speaker 4: something or just drop one in the bag and take
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Speaker 4: it over there.
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Speaker 8: You know, I just... I think that's very disgusting.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean, drop it in a bag? I.
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Speaker 8: I can't see myself doing that.
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Speaker 4: Just to see what they do with it.
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Speaker 2: Well, all right, let's say I go over there with it.
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Speaker 2: What are they doing?
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Speaker 4: They process it into usable recycled material that can be
20:24
Speaker 4: used in a variety of ways as a lubricant. be
20:26
Speaker 4: used as a fertilizer. It can be used as a
20:29
Speaker 4: base component for soaps, base components for furniture polishes, for fuels.
20:33
Speaker 4: I know that it sounds.
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Speaker 2: You will, doctor, you.
20:35
Speaker 3: Will admit that this is a little vile to listen
20:38
Speaker 3: to for human beings, right?
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Speaker 4: I think if you look at the possibilities of what
20:42
Speaker 4: number two can do and number one... Okay, ma'am? Well,
20:49
Speaker 4: I still, I just, I don't mean to offend.
20:52
Speaker 8: You, but I don't think it's a good idea. I
20:54
Speaker 8: don't think a lot of people are going to go
20:56
Speaker 8: for this.
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Speaker 4: Number two could be turned into a dish soap. I mean,
20:59
Speaker 4: I think if you were one of the first people
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Speaker 4: to wash your dishes with your.
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Speaker 5: Own number two.
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Speaker 8: No, no, no, that's not going to happen. Not in
21:05
Speaker 8: my house. I couldn't do that.
21:09
Speaker 4: Well, the day is going to come when you're not
21:11
Speaker 4: going to know.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean?
21:14
Speaker 8: Well, I certainly hope that I'll know if they're going
21:16
Speaker 8: to put feces in my dish soap.
21:18
Speaker 4: No, they're using... Well, you won't know because they'll just
21:21
Speaker 4: say recycled. You know, they'll have the base components, the
21:24
Speaker 4: base ingredients.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's just very disturbing.
21:27
Speaker 4: That's all I wanted to say. I would just ask you, Matt,
21:29
Speaker 4: as an open-minded Californian, and I thank you for recycling,
21:32
Speaker 4: as an open-minded Californian, if you could take a plastic bag,
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Speaker 4: one of the Ziploc bags, and put one of your,
21:40
Speaker 4: you know... one of your number twos in there and
21:42
Speaker 4: drive it over.
21:43
Speaker 8: Oh, I don't think.
21:45
Speaker 4: Just drive it over to the place.
21:47
Speaker 8: Maybe other people will do it, but I don't think.
21:49
Speaker 8: I can't really see my family doing that.
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Speaker 4: Do you have those Ziploc bags?
21:54
Speaker 2: She doesn't want to do it. She doesn't want to
21:55
Speaker 2: do it.
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Speaker 4: No, but I don't.
21:56
Speaker 8: You know, and my husband wouldn't do it either.
21:59
Speaker 4: How about the kids?
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Speaker 2: Okay, forget it.
22:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to do it.
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Speaker 8: I just want to tell you my opinion.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 5: Okay. Bye.
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Speaker 7: It's easy to do.
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Speaker 2: All right. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: 1-800-449, you're not going to get anybody to do it
22:13
Speaker 3: if they don't want to do it. 1-800-449-8686, Phil Hendry Show.
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Speaker 2: Salinas, hello, you're on the air.
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Speaker 3: Hello.
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not in agreement with this guy here, the lady,
22:24
Speaker 7: that caller. I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't want
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Speaker 7: it to be recycled.
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Speaker 4: You don't want it to be recycled, or you just
22:32
Speaker 4: wouldn't put one in the bag?
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Speaker 7: Actually, I wouldn't want it to be recycled, and me
22:35
Speaker 7: use it, recycle it, and then put it back into
22:37
Speaker 7: the environment would be fine, but not for me to
22:39
Speaker 7: consume it.
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Speaker 2: No, no.
22:41
Speaker 4: I mean, we're just talking about having it used. I mean,
22:43
Speaker 4: it would be put into some forms of foods, but
22:45
Speaker 4: nothing that you would notice.
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Speaker 5: No, no, no.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean it would be put into some
22:51
Speaker 2: forms of foods?
22:52
Speaker 4: Basic foods. I mean, we're just talking about basic wheat
22:54
Speaker 4: germs and things like that, human waste. Number two, you
22:58
Speaker 4: can put it in a wheat germ.
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Speaker 7: Okay, well, the reason why I call them.
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Speaker 5: When you eat that?
23:02
Speaker 7: Well, the reason why I call them... I'm from California, right?
23:05
Speaker 7: They're going to start it up in Southern California.
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Speaker 4: But the only thing that they would really put it
23:08
Speaker 4: into mostly is Mexican food.
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Speaker 7: Can I get to what I wanted to talk about?
23:14
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, sir.
23:15
Speaker 7: Okay, look, stop and think about this. This planet is
23:18
Speaker 7: comprised of how much water? And how much land mass?
23:21
Speaker 4: Well, three-fifths of the planet is water.
23:24
Speaker 5: Okay, so.
23:25
Speaker 7: All the rest of it is water. Let's use the
23:28
Speaker 7: water we have now and not focus on a little
23:30
Speaker 7: bit of piss.
23:31
Speaker 4: But the desalination plants cost too much money, man. I'm
23:34
Speaker 4: trying to tell you people they cost $ 2 billion to
23:37
Speaker 4: build a desalination plant.
23:39
Speaker 5: Well, then build it.
23:40
Speaker 4: It's way easier to drink your own urine.
23:42
Speaker 5: Well, build it.
23:43
Speaker 7: Build it.
23:44
Speaker 4: You're going to be the first guy screaming about your
23:46
Speaker 4: tax money going into a $ 2 billion desalination plant when
23:50
Speaker 4: you could be reaching down and taking a sip out
23:52
Speaker 4: of your toilet bowl.
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Speaker 3: Hey.
23:55
Speaker 7: Well, you can go ahead and do that, but.
23:57
Speaker 5: Well, man, I.
23:58
Speaker 7: I think a lot of people are not going to
23:59
Speaker 7: be in agreement.
23:59
Speaker 4: The thing is, look, we spent so much... You have
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Speaker 4: a $ 2 million desalination plan, man, and you could... You could.
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Speaker 2: You're not.
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Speaker 3: They're not sipping out of their toilet bowl, right?
24:06
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just saying, figuratively speaking.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
24:09
Speaker 4: A glass of urine beats the hell out of... What
24:11
Speaker 4: are you talking about, man? I mean, a bond that's
24:13
Speaker 4: going to send your taxes through the roof.
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Speaker 7: Hey, look, if we have enough money to be spending...
24:19
Speaker 7: Sending money to other nations, and then they.
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Speaker 4: What nations are we sending money to, man? That was
24:24
Speaker 4: the 1960s, dude. We're not sending no money to nobody.
24:28
Speaker 4: I'm telling you to crap into a bag, take it
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Speaker 4: to the reclamation plant, man. You know, have it recycled,
24:35
Speaker 4: bring it home, and put it on a taco.
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Speaker 7: The thing is, it's like this. If they were to
24:39
Speaker 7: focus on the desalination plants from the beginning, it would
24:43
Speaker 7: have all been already set up and all paid for,
24:45
Speaker 7: and it would have been a done deal, and we
24:47
Speaker 7: would have.
24:48
Speaker 4: Been getting all this water.
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Speaker 2: How much is a desalination plant, Jeff?
24:53
Speaker 4: Average desalination plant is going to cost about $ 3 to
24:55
Speaker 4: $ 4 billion to build.
24:57
Speaker 2: Well, look at this.
24:58
Speaker 3: Aren't we spending about... A billion or two billion dollars
25:01
Speaker 3: in a stealth freaking bomber? Can't we put about four
25:04
Speaker 3: or five desalination plants? You know what I'm saying?
25:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'd love to. Try to get the military
25:10
Speaker 4: industrial complex to buy into that one, brah. I don't
25:13
Speaker 4: think so.
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Speaker 1: All right.
25:15
Speaker 7: Okay, and then one more thing. I've been down to Washington,
25:18
Speaker 7: and I've seen the big Columbia River. Well, couldn't they
25:20
Speaker 7: make a pipeline from there to California?
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Speaker 4: Hey, dude, you tell the people of Washington, yeah, man,
25:24
Speaker 4: we're taking your water. Those people are going to crap
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Speaker 4: a green brick.
25:27
Speaker 7: Taking their water, that water ends up in the ocean. Dude,
25:29
Speaker 7: those people in Washington, they're going to crap.
25:30
Speaker 5: That fresh water going into the ocean, how are we
25:32
Speaker 5: going to be taking it?
25:33
Speaker 7: You can't steal water from them.
25:34
Speaker 5: And how much did it take for them to complain?
25:35
Speaker 4: You can't steal water.
25:36
Speaker 7: You mean how white that thing is and how fast
25:37
Speaker 7: it moves?
25:37
Speaker 4: Hey, man, the people of Washington are the tightest, cheapest
25:41
Speaker 4: sons of bitches. They're worse than any Jew I ever met.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we don't need that.
25:47
Speaker 7: Well, it's true. Yeah, but you know what?
25:49
Speaker 4: They don't want us to have no Columbia water.
25:51
Speaker 5: Money talks, send them our money, they'll take it.
25:53
Speaker 4: And besides, man, the B-2 bomber that Mr. Henry was
25:55
Speaker 4: just talking about, you can build one of those things
25:58
Speaker 4: using recycled number two. Okay? Hello?
26:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm here.
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Speaker 4: You can do it, man. You can do it.
26:06
Speaker 7: You can do it, but you know what? There's so
26:07
Speaker 7: much water just right over 17 miles right there. There's
26:10
Speaker 7: all the water we need.
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Speaker 4: The people in the state of Washington are cheap. They
26:13
Speaker 4: don't want us to have their water.
26:16
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you waste the money to anybody and people
26:18
Speaker 7: will change their mind. Whether it's a $ 5 bill or
26:20
Speaker 7: a $ 20 bill.
26:20
Speaker 5: Or $ 1, 000 bill.
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Speaker 3: What about recycling the people of the state of Washington's
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Speaker 3: number two? They're going to change their mind.
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Speaker 4: You don't want to use no number two from the
26:25
Speaker 4: state of Washington, man. You build a bomber out of
26:27
Speaker 4: number two from Washington, it falls apart.
26:30
Speaker 2: All right, thank you for your call, sir. Santa Rosa
26:32
Speaker 2: on the Phil Henry Show. Hello.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, hi, my name is Matt.
26:35
Speaker 1: Hi, Matt.
26:35
Speaker 5: I work at a wastewater treatment plant.
26:37
Speaker 4: Yeah?
26:38
Speaker 5: Yeah. This guy's completely whack. If somebody shows up at
26:42
Speaker 5: our plant with a bag full of duty, we don't
26:45
Speaker 5: want to deal with them. But bottom line is, our
26:48
Speaker 5: finished product is as clean as swimming pool water.
26:52
Speaker 2: I've heard that. So you're recycling that human waste?
26:56
Speaker 4: No, but Matt, my name's Jeff Datter. If a guy
26:59
Speaker 4: shows up with a bag of the dew.
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Speaker 5: We don't want to deal with it. It comes in
27:03
Speaker 5: through the plant, through the wastewater system, the sewer system.
27:08
Speaker 5: We don't want some nutball showing up with a bag
27:11
Speaker 5: full of crap to saying, hey, I got a bag
27:14
Speaker 5: full of crap. What do you think we do with it?
27:16
Speaker 5: It goes through our whole process, goes through our filters,
27:20
Speaker 5: and it goes through our chlorine contact chambers, and then
27:23
Speaker 5: it gets stored in this land applied for irrigation.
27:27
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is that's a dude, he just is
27:28
Speaker 4: trying to help out the environment. If I show up
27:31
Speaker 4: with a bag of number two, can't you process it
27:34
Speaker 4: right there for me?
27:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you want us to do, put a
27:37
Speaker 5: little beeper on it so you can see it going through?
27:39
Speaker 5: Our process takes 28 days. Are you going to sit
27:44
Speaker 5: there for 28 days and watch it?
27:46
Speaker 4: Well, no, but you could call me when it was done.
27:49
Speaker 5: Okay, how am I going to tell you that your piece,
27:52
Speaker 5: your kernel of corn is now done? How am I
27:55
Speaker 5: going to do that? How would that be done? You're
28:00
Speaker 5: not even in there.
28:01
Speaker 4: Well, I'm trying to help the environment in the state
28:04
Speaker 4: of California.
28:05
Speaker 5: But you don't understand the problem. You don't even understand
28:07
Speaker 5: the process involved. But you're trying to tell everybody what
28:11
Speaker 5: a great idea it is.
28:13
Speaker 4: It is a good idea. It's a good idea. You
28:14
Speaker 4: admit that. It's a great idea.
28:16
Speaker 5: But you're not a good representative for this issue.
28:20
Speaker 4: You have absolutely no.
28:22
Speaker 5: I love how this works. Have you ever gone through
28:25
Speaker 5: a wastewater treatment plant?
28:27
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I did one time. One time? I went
28:29
Speaker 4: down to the one in Van Nuys, and I had
28:31
Speaker 4: some number two that I'd just done that morning. And
28:34
Speaker 4: I took it in there, and the dude was like you.
28:36
Speaker 4: He's going, what's up with this? You know, all I'm
28:39
Speaker 4: trying to do is help our state, man. I'm a
28:41
Speaker 4: Californian like you is, and I'm trying to make everything
28:45
Speaker 4: happen pretty cool. And you're telling me that you'd diss
28:48
Speaker 4: me if I showed up with my number two? You
28:50
Speaker 4: wouldn't even process it for me?
28:53
Speaker 5: As somebody, as a homeowner in my community, I would
28:57
Speaker 5: have no problem with doing it. However, I'd much rather
29:02
Speaker 5: have you just flush it down the toilet, mix it
29:04
Speaker 5: with three and a half gallons of water, so when
29:06
Speaker 5: it comes to me, it's already broken down.
29:10
Speaker 4: I thought you guys could just take it, turn it
29:12
Speaker 4: into like car wax or something, and give it back.
29:15
Speaker 5: You have no idea how this all works. Is that
29:17
Speaker 5: how they did it in Van Nuys? Did they say, yeah,
29:20
Speaker 5: here's some paste for your car?
29:23
Speaker 4: Well, of the reading that I did.
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Speaker 2: Of the reading that you did.
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Speaker 3: You could take your number two, as you put it,
29:30
Speaker 3: to a plant, and they'll turn it into car wax.
29:32
Speaker 2: Sir, thank you for, where do you work?
29:34
Speaker 5: Me? Yeah. I work up in Sonoma County.
29:37
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for your call.
29:39
Speaker 5: No problem.
29:39
Speaker 2: And Dr. Dowder, good luck with your studies.
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Speaker 4: 1-800-449-8686.
29:45
Speaker 2: So this guy's walking around with a bag of crap,
29:47
Speaker 2: and he wants him to turn it into a potholder.
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