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Build a Business to Explore Spirituality - Chelea Linge · Wired For More - ADHD & Self Mastery

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  SPEAKER_01: Hey everyone, Ian May here with the Wired for More ADHD and Self Mastery Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have my great friend, Chelsea Lindy, on the line.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is amazing about Chelsea and my story is that Chelsea is actually one of my coaches to help me through some of the journeys that I've been on, doing the inner work, helping heal some of the bitterness that I had for the corporate world, being able to go into my own coaching business with just an open heart, open mind.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: And since then, having generated a good amount of money for me to just keep doing this full time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're hearing this and you're on the other receiving end of any coaching I had provided, you can actually thank Chelsea to a significant extent.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: So Chelsea, thank you for being on the line and having a conversation with such a joy to be here.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for having me, Ian.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: Offline, before we had this call, we had a pretty good cry session, which was awesome.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Which is pretty much how it goes when Chelsea and I uh share a room together.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've done an Arizona retreat, which was phenomenal, with another friend of ours, Jack Rosencranz.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: We've done any number of online sessions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I've gotten to meet your husband, and him and I have shared our now coined beard hug that has lived on an infamy since then.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: What's amazing though about the emotions that we shared before this call is the fact that both you and I have a very similar story.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Having done all the masking and mirroring and performative things to have to show up in sales and the corporate world.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's where I it makes the most sense for us to start.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: I would love for you to just share a little bit of that origin story about the mask, about mirroring, performance for the sake of it, just to introduce yourself.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's not also forget that I've been to Austin, I've spent time with your wife, I've held your babies.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: What a joy.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think you and I both, first off, I with one of the things I love about spending time with you is that we always get to uh meet each other right where we're at and go deep, meet the whole human, and then call forth the best in each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I really think that's what uh I think we agree have in common when we agree think about leadership is that it's not about showing the polished version of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's about showing up as you are, but choosing to how you're going to relate to it and how you're going to behave through it.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the the common thread that we're you and I had among among many is we both had long well corporate careers in which we may have been learning these lessons through first the very potent tool of learning what we don't like and now we don't want to show up.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for myself, you know, that actually I'm very grateful for my time, my time in corporate had a 10-year sales career in which, you know, I was president's club regular and generated over a hundred million in revenue during my time in that season.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I did it from a place of um it, you know, it kind of reached a point where I didn't know why I was getting out of bed in the morning.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that was really the driving factor for me was I had grown up without a lot of financial resources.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was a free lunch kid and my family actually lost my we, our home went through foreclosure and our business went bankrupt when I was a teenager.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so that through that process of financial insecurity, I decided at a young age that I was never going to experience that again.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I then fell into sales at about the tender age of 20 and just found out that I had a knack for it.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that turned into a 10-year career.
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  SPEAKER_00: But during that, during that process, I was there were many things going on, so I was partying a lot more than I would ever choose to at this point in my life and things of that nature.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I I was used to only showing up as the version of myself that was okay, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And the version of myself that I believed that other people wanted to see from me, and the version of myself that felt sparkly and shiny.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: But what happened through that experience is that the more that I didn't give those other parts of myself a seat at the table, the louder and louder they became until I they reached a point where they could not possibly be ignored anymore.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that was that culminated in 2020 when um I reached a point where I I woke up and I I didn't know why I was on this planet anymore.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: And um that was the moment that something had to give for me, and that was the moment that things actually began to change, but that was also the beginning of the moment where I really had to face these parts of myself that I had ignored and abandoned through the process of um of choosing to always show one version of myself.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's where where you and I overlap.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think to that point of only feeling like you can show up when you're the sparkly, bubbly, fun, the oora, go get them.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: One team, one dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: 100% resonate with that.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: That I could only really be the other part of myself when I was inebrated, pull you know, allowed, you know, that's when you're allowed to be kind of a sappy drunk, is that was me for sure.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that was the only time I was allowed to even experience that was just kind of like, oh yeah, yeah, well that's that's just what I'm drinking, and as if that was another persona.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then even being able to realize, like, actually, hey, that that part of me wants a seat at the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I think a lot of people resonate with though is there's this deciding point of enough is enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I can't keep pretending that this part of me isn't needing love, consideration, maybe some encouragement, and then even just some space to be able to have its moment in the light.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's no surprise that 2020 is a pretty transformative moment because when we all of a sudden left the office and everyone is kind of forced away from the office, that was when a lot of people are like, wait, who am I?
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: What are my values?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why am I so different now that I'm not in the office 24-7 needing to appear to have it all together all the time?
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  SPEAKER_01: But then also the performance part of us is still actually just as much needing a seat at the table.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that's something that you and I both, even more recently, have come to terms with of hey, the ooh raw get shit done part of us too is also totally worth having a seat at the table too.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to shame that part of myself because now the fuzzy go with the flow version of me is at the seat, you know, has as has the head seat of the table.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, actually, hey, the performative side too of like that part actually is just as beautiful and deserves to be celebrated too.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: But how do I do that with this full open heart, with this beauty and consideration included?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd I'd love to hear how you're chipping away at that part, because I feel like that's part of what is changing for Soleilia too, of bringing that to light.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that moment of it was a it was a breakdown moment, kind of was the thing that then catapulted me out on this journey in a million different ways.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: My life really drastically changed through that period.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that ended up happening is I I went out on my own.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, this this is kind of in the background of what I was doing work-wise, but I entered what I called like my three-year soft girl era.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: And the soft girl era was was the the opposite end of the spectrum of the way that I had operated in my 20s.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: In my 20s, I had been um operating like from a very masculine standpoint, very uh get things done at all costs.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and when I I the pendulum swung to the other end of the spectrum, the the discipline and everything got really changed and and I became a lot more flowy and I was like really learning how to be in touch with my feminine, which was really beautiful.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that reached a point where I realized that there's that what was going to be necessary long term was the integration of both.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember one of the things that you said that really stood out to me when I was we were talking about this one time was yes, you said something to the effect of it sounds like you threw out the what because you didn't like the how, which is absolutely true and uh very silly to very silly to think about.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: But so now it's been the season that I've been in now is how do I be really effective in the world?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the word that I prefer to use to discipline is devotion.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do I be in devotion to bringing my mission to life?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do I be devote in devotion to the actions that are required of me in order to have met the universe halfway?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: And how do I do that from a place of open-heartedness and joy versus shame and and and punishment?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I would say that you're you're meeting me at today is is recognizing that I can be both.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, I went through a rebrand in my business last month.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: I rebranded to Saleya, which the root of that word is sun, which is emblematic of me wanting to bring more sun energy back into my life.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing that I've, you know, we talk about these different parts of ourselves that have a seat at the table.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: I recognized that I had taken that really um disciplined masculine piece of myself and I had done the same thing that I had done to those softer parts of myself in my 20s, which was I had said, Oh, there's not room for you here.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so this season is about how is there room for all of the parts of me to be to have a seat at the table?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: And how do I um how do I give them each the time to shine and just and have the the discernment to know in the moment what's being asked of me?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think so much of the language that you're using, devotion over discipline, being able to bring something to light, give it an opportunity to shine.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: There is so much of us that we can feel shame about.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: And now, how do I even not feel shame over the performative side?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's like hey, it had its place.
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  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I'm really grateful for it trying to keep me safe and trying to keep me stimulated because it is very stimulating.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: But what I love about it though too is the fact that, hey, if I want to see success in the work that I'm doing, there is some amount of need that I be devoted to the craft.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the part where where the work that you've helped me even do is being able to show up of hey, what's required of my nervous system right now to be in devotion of the craft?
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: You and I both came into this conversation being like, not not today.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, I you and I were like, each of us was 10 seconds away from just being able to be like, yeah, no, no, not not not today.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's so interesting that when you opened up about it, it was just like I immediately got tears in my eyes because I'm just kind of like, yep, me too.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's my dad's birthday today.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've been in tears thinking about you know his sense, you know, what masculinity means and who he was to me and his coaching and what I embody.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, podcast.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a warm, incitable, intense guy, and we're gonna bring that to the space.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: And you're just kind of like, hey, no, I'm in the fields right now.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you too?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: So But we can celebrate the fact that I I am all of those things all at once, and sometimes more intensively one than the other.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Today it's more in the feels.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Tomorrow it very well might be more in the output.
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  SPEAKER_01: Always worth celebrating.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Happy birthday, Brian.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: You pointed to the air.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's not dead yet, everybody.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: So don't walk out.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's not what it's saying.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I think that's I I think, you know, we we all had the sales piece that we really overlapped on.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then you and I also had both had big stints in the fitness industry, which I really think was another big overlap of ours, which informed that same piece of that we've been working with has been the part that has been built on all the beauty that can come from from discipline and having a performance-based mindset, and then the recognition that even that can go too far.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I know I'll I'll speak for myself here, like, you know, I think I met you at a point you were a bodybuilder, I was a power lifter, actually competing on a national level, like very, very, very intensely, and um seeing some of like the fallout from that behind the scenes and like in terms of how I was relating to food and how I was relating to my body and recognizing that these things that like I was being celebrated for outwardly that looked really good and looked healthy were actually not healthy for me.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so when we when we feel into that, it's like where we're at today is like, how do we take the pieces that were actually really beautiful from those from those seasons and integrate them here where we can do them in a way that feels good internally?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think one, yes, in there was an early days where my branding was all inner strength and still reflecting a good amount of the fitness aspects that I had obsessed about for years.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: But what is interesting is that when it even gets to that point that you're talking about where I can't celebrate this thing, everyone else wants to celebrate it, and I can't because I know how much it's based on pressure, stress, anxiety, anger, aggression to the point of violence towards myself.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Not a celebration of strength, not a celebration of uh the devotion to the craft, right?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think that's the part where internally, if you're still holding on to that, pressure, stress, anxiety, overwhelm that's fueling it, yeah, you're not gonna be able to celebrate it.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: And if I'm understanding correctly, in your experience of for a time, that type of powerlifting, one rep max aggression, yeah, what's required of the sport is some violence and yeah, some masculine energy, but in that it is it still can be beautiful, how do we experience the beauty of it?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: And if I'm remembering, I I believe that you had started doing some amount of that type of exercise again.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel like you've kind of reclaimed some of that recently?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, back to lifting heavy in the gym after multiple years away from it.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: And um I feel like I've been in this season of reclaiming those parts of myself in a really big way, not just in the gym, but also like within my business.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like an example of that being, you know, for 10 years my full-time profession was selling, and then working for myself, I had become pretty laxadaisical about it, like like relying on inbound leads and and referrals, and that's beautiful and it can get you to a certain point, and becoming more uh I don't want to say aggressive, maybe that's not the right word, but uh becoming more active in the process and reclaiming the part of me that that knows how to sell, reclaiming the part of me that uh that lifts heavy weights and just doing it all from this place of everything that I've gained in the in the past few years and allowing the internal experience of it to be different, even if the external output looks very similar to how it did before.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I love that aspect of the devotion to the craft as a business owner because letting people know you exist is 99.9% of the work.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: And when I say letting people know that you exist, that's marketing.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't like marketing.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's manipulation and buying tactics and nervous system manipulation.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't love that.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well it's like, hey, but can you let people know that who you help and how you help them?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's marketing.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Outreach, letting people know as individuals who you help and how you help them.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And the challenge oftentimes is for new coaches, new bus business owners, is how do you do that authentically in a way that doesn't cause your nervous system just completely shut down, or to have to put on a mask to pretend like you have it all together, as if to be able to show you show, like, look how amazing my life is.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I only work four hours a week and you can too.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: What whatever it is that your tactics are, while also being able to say, Hey, I don't have to have this like esoteric language of manifesting clients and and sort of again, this like very woo-soft that feels good, right?
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Through prayer and petition, my business will be successful.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm gonna let people know that I exist by telling them who I help and how they help them and celebrating when it's not for them.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like perfect.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for self-selecting.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank thank you for letting me know that this isn't for you.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, hey, spitting in my face.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't necessary.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Move that that that part, slamming the door in my face.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, that hurts.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I bruise really easily, and this nose is broken a lot.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: So slamming the door in my face, that I could have gone without that.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: And no, thank you, it would have been fine.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um but to your point though, is how do I show up with my current nervous system and the current state that I'm in and still be devoted to the work?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I I just I I love the nature of that.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: And not to make this about me, but one of the things that you helped me with and in in the way that you coached me is being able to help me celebrate that process that if today it's oora energy, bring oora energy.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: If the next next day it's deep sadness and reverence, bring sadness in it.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't tell you how that's helped my business survive even in the last few months of being able to get back to hey, even if today it's just not that day, what little can you do that you can celebrate to still let people know that you exist, who you help, and how you help them?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I've had some of the best months that I've ever had.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Just literally ping-ponging.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even want to say it's a pendulum swinging, it's it's faster than that.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's hoo rah, let's get it.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, hoorah, get it again.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: And more people need to hear that it is hard to be able to accept and allow and invite every part of you to that table and then celebrate it.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm really grateful for that.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want to be the first to say like the work that you do, the coaching that you provide, the way that you provide it, speaking from personal experience that way that you do has very much so impacted my my family.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And for that I am deeply grateful.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: So grateful for you, and it's been such an absolute honor to witness you on your journey for anyone who is new to Ian.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, this what I can say, um, have your vision became so quick clear so quickly, and then you saw who you needed to become to bring it to life, and I watched you just boldly take that on and grow with like the level of success you've seen in a short amount of time has been phenomenal to watch, but it's all been based on the fact that you were you are willing to look at everything, and you are willing you always talk about messy action, and we're talking about bringing whatever it is that you have to the table.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: You are willing to bring the parts of you on the days that we're going and still do something with it.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's like there's like a little pearl in there.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: And what I'm really thinking about is you know, I we always talk about consistency, and I I I think people view consistency as like this this thing where you're doing the same exact piece every day in and day out, and really what it is is like meeting the day with what you have to give and never letting it be zero.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: And on the days when things are not feeling good at all, finding the path of least resistance that still does something that moves your business forward, and then being in celebration that you did something and being in trust that that is going to be enough for today.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: And like through that lens, you you can weather any storm because you know that there's that you're you're giving what you have what you have to give with what you have to give.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what really what I'm what I'm hearing you speak to here is is the celebration of the messy action on through the highs and the hour, the days that don't that don't feel very fun.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: And because we all have them, all of us do, you know?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just celebrating the heck out of you and I've been so excited to watch you grow.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I appreciate I think for anybody who's listening, of part of the unspoken need there is having an inner circle of people who are capable of helping you celebrate the messy action.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Help helping you celebrate, hey, today it was two DMs and that's all I can get out today.
• 20:47
  unknown: Yeah.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Be like, hell yeah, it was not zero.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was not zero.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: And for most people who get stuck in this sort of all or nothing mindset, they are actually the ones who feel the punishment all the more of days where they couldn't fully show up.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And they only know how to celebrate, oh, I'd hit 150% of expectations today, but then tomorrow it's zero.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: And they only think consistency is being able to hit 150%.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that's it.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: They only know that.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's that's the part where we can obsess over hyper optimization and making everything super time effective and never do anything uncomfortable.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Use AI to automate everything that you don't ever like doing when in reality there is some amount of things to be able to say like hey, let's let's suffer through this a little bit while also not considering it suffering because I know what I'm working towards.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I know I know what the beautiful thing is on the other side of it, because I know that this is meaningful work, I know that there is beauty in the work, and I know I have a very clear idea of what's gonna happen on the other side of it if I can just keep uh keep celebrating showing up today.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: It becomes less a suffering when it's in service to something so big and beautiful that you would show up.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: On the days where you don't have anything to give because the the the optimization, like productivity, blah blah blah culture that we live in, like that doesn't really mean anything to me.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: What I want to know is how like what does it look like for you on a Tuesday morning when you woke up after a very terrible night's sleep and whatever your thing is that triggers the absolute heck out of you, that happened first thing.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Then what happened to you?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: What what happened after that on the Tuesday?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I want to know about because there's all there's a version of that for almost all of us.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the people that I see succeed are the people who are still able to navigate back towards tending to themselves and then sending the two DMs or whatever their version of the two DMs are and not needing it to be 150% day, but not letting not letting it be a zero.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oof.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't let it be zero.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: That by itself could be its own its own mantra.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I think even to that point of coming up with more creative ways to do the smallest version of that thing, that is where the practice really is.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the part where a lot of people don't know what that looks like.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: They only know what it looks like to do the full 100% give.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: They don't know what it looks like to, hey, what what does the smallest version of that mean?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's again, that's the part where when you can obsess about creating the standard operating procedure, the beauty is like you can come up with more creative ways to just do the smallest version of that thing.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever that thing is for you, for me living on LinkedIn the way that I do, it's sending a couple more DMs, it's writing another post, it's building some more content, it's being more time and reflection.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: And like some of those rituals are the thing that I can help celebrate.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then later, hey, how am I gonna be in deep reverence and allow room a space for whatever these feelings are?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna cry this out under the squat rack because that's where I do that.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I I just like see a hack squat in my gym, and and everyone knows and understands like that's Ian May's hack squat.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like he you he lets you borrow it, and it's a big global corporate gym too.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it like everybody still knows.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: That is my that makes sense to me.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: And when that man in pink shoes shows up and you're on the machine, and if he asks you to share it with you, you you let him and you sit and watch him cry.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: But so that all all of the things that you shared though is I I think why we have to be in community to do this thing, why it's not optional to try to say, I have to do this myself, and it's on my shoulders.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: That part of what I appreciate about Celeia and the organization of what you're building in it is this constant celebration of do the work but never do it alone.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I would love for you even just to share a little bit about how you're thinking about the community, the ways that you are inviting people into the retreats.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Would love for you just to speak more on.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my basic philosophy in life is that everything is more fun with friends.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I joke, but I'm that's also serious.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny, but it's not a joke, yeah.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what I what I learned pretty early on is that it can be really lonely to be building building a vision when there's not a lot of people in your life who understand it.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: And um, one of my there I have a couple little things that I've I've learned throughout my process of entrepreneurship.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: And the first one that really has stuck with me is that entrepreneurship is a spiritual path path.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And what I mean by that is that you don't need to, you mean you can, and I do encourage it, but you don't need to sit on a meditation cushion to find all the ways in which you're not free and all the self-limiting beliefs that you um need to work through if you want to actually become, you know, the most fully expressed ver expressed version of yourself.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: You can just build a business and all those things will arise on their own.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: You can just do it.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: And and the the second the second piece of that is that there's just not there's not there are true very few true business problems.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: There are lots of patterns and ways that we get in our own way that show up through the vehicle of our business.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so our our business is just an outward reflection of whatever it is that we're currently working through in a lot of cases.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so in that sense, I think of the community as like a form of like a business manga, right?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a place to to be in community with people who uh understand our understand our vision and what it is we're building towards so that they can hold the vision with us and continue to orient towards it when when we're in per when we're together, but also get to know us deeply and uh help us work through our internal blockers as we are facing them.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so we do that, you know, in community online, in a retreat, and then in peer groups where we get together and we're we're working through whatever our current challenges or opportunities are.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: And the the bit the beautiful part about that is you know, people become mirrors for us.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: So they're able to, they're not within the context of our own, this close to our own mountain, so we can't see it clearly.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're able to reflect back the blind spots that we are not seeing or the opportunity or a different way of thinking about it.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, there's like that the thing about cliches is they're so right sometimes.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you want to go, if you want to go far, go together.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really what this place has been built for is to lay as a place to go far and go together and have it be a lot more fun along the way because you're with people who care about you and who who are are are helping to bring your vision to life.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is painful to navigate.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Cliches are cliches for a reason.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, truisms are true.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: But the I think the thing that you have obsessed about is not just creating community, because everyone wants to create a community, everyone wants to be the one leading a community, everyone wants to be able to have that thing.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: But for you and the way that I've seen you work is leading by doing.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you gave me this language of being a permissionary, giving giving people permission to uh yeah, that's still like that that term I just laugh every time I hear it.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so giving people permission by showing them what it looks like that from the very onset, you've said, here's how I'm structuring the business, that you're literally as a customer of this are experiencing in real time.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: And even that by itself has been such a beautiful way of approaching it to say, Hey, here's how I'm thinking about the business, here's the work that I'm doing, here's actually what got you here in the messaging and the language, and here's the way I'm thinking about it.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that continues to give other people permission to be vulnerable, to be honest, uh, hey, share what's true for you.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Let's celebrate it.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: We're all building these things together.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: How can I help you?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you're a coach of coaches and coaching coaches on the coaches coach.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the yes, and right?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And what's interesting is that that work just continues to multiply.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: And through that multiplication, getting to invite more people to the table to just be able to ask them, hey, what are you building?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: What's true for you right now?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: What's happening in your nervous system?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: How can we celebrate taking some action?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: What are we celebrating?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: And what future version of you is super grateful for you showing up today.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know what's really funny is I actually didn't want to build a community.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to join someone else's community and I couldn't find it, and then I I had clients asking for it.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it was actually a process of listening to what was being asked of me.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: But what's funny is, you know, back to my point of like getting in your own way, like I had a lot of self-limiting beliefs about building a community.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: That there were people didn't need more virtual spaces, that that, you know, da-da-da-da-da.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm really happy that I heeded the call and was able to recognize the blind spot.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it's so funny because you know, that this was not born of my mind.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was just what was being life was asking from me.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's the part where we can obsess about having the perfect business model first, having the full business model fully fleshed out, but before just actually just give people what they're asking for.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the thing I think about vision is to that to this point is that I don't view it as a destination, I view it as a compass, it's a direction.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then the opportunity is to pay attention to what life is asking of us in the process.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because what I don't know if maybe this maybe this resonates with you, maybe it doesn't.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: What I've learned in my own journey is that often what if I am able to listen to what life is asking of me, what ends up coming to fruition is a more beautiful version than my mind had thought of on its own.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I my my job is is to take steps in the direction that I believe the unfolding is happening and then also pay attention and get out of my own way to allow what actually wants to come through to come through.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I think to your point about the compass, oftentimes people struggle with speed and so they end up just moving really fast and then they move really fast in a thousand different directions, and then they end up getting nowhere.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: And what's interesting about velocity is it actually has speed and direction.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we often forget about the fact that direction matters as much, if not more, compounded over time.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: It might sound cliche, but I think that's a part of like what are you building towards?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you building it?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Who are you building it for?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Some of those questions can help illuminate what is my compass?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Who do I help and how do I help them?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the part where if you can just obsess about, you know, it's like, oh, pick a niche.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Who do I help?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: How do I help them?
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then being able to use that, that's one way to create a compass.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: What I appreciate about what you're continuing to do, what you're continuing to live out, is being able to say, How do I help other people in these circumstances move forward meaningfully in a direction that they're not going to be upset about?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Five years from now, I'm never gonna look back on this moment being like, regret all the decision because it cost me X amount of money.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, I I loved that journey.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: That heading was exactly where I needed to be, when I needed to be there.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't have done what I'm doing now if I didn't make muck these things up in the meantime.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: I had to have those lessons in order to be here right now where I'm.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Chelsea, I appreciate you.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Where can people find you right now and help me celebrate that?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on LinkedIn, as I as we spoke about, Chelsea Lindgey, L-I-N-G-E.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you can find me at www.joinsalea.com and um I'm hosting my next in-person founders retreat in Sedona, Arizona at the end of January.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: I have a few spots left.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: If anyone is feeling called, I'd I'd love to discuss whether it's a fit.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody who has joined you for a retreat in Sedona 100% worth the time, I will tell you that the growth that can happen in a weekend you can pull with you.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I have experienced it.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: So 100% big vote for me.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: I genuinely appreciate the time and looking forward to what's coming up this next chapter for you.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you so much.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Bye everyone.