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AI Browsers Will Completely Change How You Use The Internet · In the Loop AI

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Josh: So since the year 1990 that's 35 years
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Josh: ago pretty much everyone who's listening to this both of us we've
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Josh: been using an application exclusively for navigating the web
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Josh: and that's the browser right we've all used a web browser before whether
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Josh: it be chrome or safari or the millions of
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Josh: other options that we've used they've all been pretty much
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Josh: the same if you look at a browser from the 1990s versus browser for
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Josh: today it's really just a url bar and a
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Josh: screen and the screen displays the information and that's that's
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Josh: how we've interacted with the internet forever but just recently
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Josh: thanks to the invents of ai and all these companies
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Josh: who are building really interesting applications on top of it we now
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Josh: have a new type of browser an ai browser an agentic browser
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Josh: that will do a lot of the browser tasks for you
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Josh: and that's going to be the topic of today's episode is ai browsers
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Josh: it's like the browser you know and love but it is super smart super enhanced
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Josh: and we'll do a lot of the tedious work that you normally do all for you ijaz
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Josh: you've been going deep in this world of ai browsers can you can you lay out
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Josh: the space how it's working who's involved what it actually means to be an ai browser i
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Ejaaz: Was just thinking about um your comment on we've been using browsers for about
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Ejaaz: 35 years do you remember the internet explorer days josh where we had to double
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Ejaaz: click this golden or blue e-icon and then kind of wait 10 seconds for it to load.
1:23
Ejaaz: Then we had to manually type in a web address, www.
1:27
Ejaaz: And we've just come incredibly far since then.
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Ejaaz: And yeah, to answer your question directly, I think that this is a natural progression
1:37
Ejaaz: of where AI needs to be in everyone's lives.
1:40
Ejaaz: So to kind of like zoom out for a second, we had this massive explosion when
1:45
Ejaaz: GPT-2 or GPT-3 came to life from OpenAI.
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Ejaaz: And it was this magical moment where we had this kind of like chat messenger,
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Ejaaz: and we could ask the smartest person in the room, that being GPT,
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Ejaaz: any question, and it can give us an answer.
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Ejaaz: It can teach us things, it can sometimes do things for us, and connect us in
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Ejaaz: different ways with information.
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Ejaaz: Kind of like how Google did when they created their search engine.
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Ejaaz: It became the doorstep to the internet.
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Ejaaz: You know, it's the homepage. It's the thing that everyone opens when they want
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Ejaaz: to search something, interact and socialize, or even buy something, right?
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Ejaaz: So it makes sense that AI is now
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Ejaaz: coming to where most of the context and personal data around someone is.
2:27
Ejaaz: And I think if I were to zone in on why I'm so excited about this,
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Ejaaz: Josh, is it's exactly that.
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Ejaaz: I think it's the most publicly accessible.
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Ejaaz: Data set for who you are, right, Josh?
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Ejaaz: Like if you if I go on your browser right now, maybe you can share your screen
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Ejaaz: or whatever that might be. I'm going to see a bunch of different tabs.
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Ejaaz: I'm going to see your Spotify playlist that you're bumping tunes to.
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Ejaaz: I'm going to see probably your Amazon list that you're kind of like shopping
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Ejaaz: or shipping items to your apartment, and maybe a bunch of other things.
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Ejaaz: It tells me who Josh is as a person.
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Ejaaz: More so it tells me how he's progressed over the history of time over that day
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Ejaaz: over that week, over the last 90 days with your browser history.
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Ejaaz: So I think embedding AI into the browser experience is that next step up to
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Ejaaz: getting a more personal AI face.
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Ejaaz: Do you agree with that, Josh? Or what are your thoughts?
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Josh: Yeah, I think that sounds right. I am actually a big agent AI browser hater.
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Josh: I think we're going to get into that. I agree that it's very cool,
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Josh: but I'm not sure the actual use cases apply.
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Josh: Before we do go there, I want to lay out the landscape of who's actually making
3:31
Josh: these browsers, who is in this space that we're talking about,
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Josh: because there's a notable company missing.
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Josh: So we have Perplexity, which has the Comet browser.
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Josh: We have Microsoft, which has Edge. We have OpenAI, who is probably going to
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Josh: launch one. They've signaled the intention to launch one.
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Josh: And then we have the Dia browser by the browser company.
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Josh: And notably, the one browser we all use, we're all recording this on right now,
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Josh: Chrome, is missing, which is interesting because one of the things that,
3:55
Josh: I mean, the reason why Google became so large, one of the big reasons was the
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Josh: search engine was Google Chrome.
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Josh: And noticeably, they're missing. And when you look at all the search history,
4:04
Josh: the revenue from search that Google makes, it's been down only.
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Josh: And you would imagine from a search company who's built this browser that is
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Josh: the number one company in the world, they'd probably be aiming to build an AI
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Josh: browser, but that's not the case. And I think that's probably...
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Josh: In line with what we're going to talk about later, why we don't like it.
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Josh: But I'm curious if you have any ideas why Google is noticeably missing from
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Josh: this group of AI browsers.
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Ejaaz: You know what's hilarious? As you were making that point, Josh,
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Ejaaz: I was trying to come up with a counter example, which was going on Google's search engine.
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Ejaaz: And you know, whenever you search something now, you typically see an AI summary.
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Ejaaz: I was going to try and argue that maybe that was an example of them embedding
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Ejaaz: some form of AI in their browsing experience, even though it's not explicitly
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Ejaaz: Chrome itself, but it's not available.
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Ejaaz: I literally can't have access to it. So it seems like they've regressed.
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Ejaaz: To answer your question more directly, I think they're likely going to release
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Ejaaz: it if I had to hazard a guess.
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Ejaaz: And the reason why I say that is they've been so committed to kind of being
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Ejaaz: on the frontier at the AI model level.
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Ejaaz: So Gemini 2.5 Flash is a frontier model that beats OpenAI's ChatGPT and even
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Ejaaz: Claude when it comes to coding and stuff.
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Ejaaz: Google has been so focused on AI agents as well.
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Ejaaz: And they've also been focused on the scientific side of AI as well,
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Ejaaz: which is a realm that none of the other frontier AI labs have even touched.
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Ejaaz: So it kind of seems weird that even though they control 66.5% of the browser market share,
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Ejaaz: it'll seem weird if they don't come out with a product is what i'm saying i
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Ejaaz: don't know i i just feel like it's a waiting game it might come out like next
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Ejaaz: week or something like that totally.
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Josh: Uh-huh we'll see well we both have tried an ai browser we both had access to
5:53
Josh: perplexity they gave us access to the comet browser and we had a chance to use
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Josh: it for the last week or two and i would love to hear your impressions because
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Josh: I used it. I tried it. I have some takes.
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Josh: How have you been using it? How have you been liking it? How have you been disliking
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Josh: it? Tell me your personal experience.
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Ejaaz: I have a lot to say about this. And I'm keen to actually hear what you say.
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Ejaaz: So you described yourself as an AI browser hater.
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Ejaaz: I wouldn't call myself a hater.
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Ejaaz: But I also wouldn't say this is convincing enough to me to ditch Chrome.
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Ejaaz: And to use an AI browser. So as you mentioned, we're using this new AI browser from Perplexity.
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Ejaaz: Perplexity, for those of you who don't know, is like a supercharged AI search engine.
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Ejaaz: And they released this new product called Perplexity Comet, which is their browser.
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Ejaaz: And on this browser, it looks very similar to your Chrome browser or Internet
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Ejaaz: Explorer browser. You can have many different tabs. You have a search history.
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Ejaaz: You have a toolbar with different settings and stuff. But with one unique feature,
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Ejaaz: which is rather several unique features, which is AI is embedded everywhere you go.
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Ejaaz: That means if you open up a YouTube page, you have a prompt from your little
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Ejaaz: assistant in the bottom right hand corner, which will say, hey,
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Ejaaz: do you want me to summarize this video for you so that you don't have to spend
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Ejaaz: 30 minutes watching this?
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Ejaaz: Or you can go into a shopping website and say, hey, I can actually sort for
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Ejaaz: you the best deals for what you're looking for, because I read your email because
7:16
Ejaaz: you connected me to your Gmail account. And so I kind of know that your mom
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Ejaaz: shared a list of items for your sister's birthday.
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Ejaaz: And I know that you're on Amazon to check what kind of fleece your sister might want or whatever.
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Ejaaz: That's a terrible example. I would never buy my fleeces off of Amazon.
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Ejaaz: But you get the general idea.
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Ejaaz: My high-level takes are as follows. It's great to have an assistant that can
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Ejaaz: summarize long articles and posts for me. And the reason why I say that is I
7:46
Ejaaz: spend a lot of time reading and researching, Josh.
7:49
Ejaaz: We actually do a bunch of that for this show as well, right?
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Ejaaz: And sometimes, actually most of the time, it takes a lot of intense focus and
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Ejaaz: many hours of my day, right?
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Ejaaz: I would say maybe 70% of my working day is spent reading a ton of stuff and trying new things out.
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Ejaaz: This does reduce that now to about 20% to 25%, which is a huge reduction.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, I'm spending much less time doing this. And you and I have been using
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Ejaaz: this browser for about, what, a week now, like as our default browser.
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Ejaaz: So it's been super useful.
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Ejaaz: The second thing is, and this is a smaller thing, but I think it's important.
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Ejaaz: I can finally stop copying and pasting links and paragraphs of text and putting
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Ejaaz: it into whatever AI model provider that I'm using, right?
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Ejaaz: So typically the format is I would copy tweet links or article links and put
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Ejaaz: it in Crock 4 or put it in ChatGPT and then say like, hey, like reference these
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Ejaaz: links, summarize this for me.
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Ejaaz: Give me some other types of insights that I might have missed.
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Ejaaz: And it's just, it seems so small and minor, but not being able to do that is
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Ejaaz: way more convenient for me.
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Ejaaz: And I just kind of like, I love kind of leaning into that.
9:01
Ejaaz: The third thing that stood out for me, Josh, is search is just such a better
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Ejaaz: experience now that I have this AI that's always readily available.
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Ejaaz: It's kind of like Google search, but it understands the context behind what
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Ejaaz: I'm asking it or why I'm asking it.
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Ejaaz: And that's really been an unlock for me. So an example might be I've been researching
9:23
Ejaaz: a specific technique of how to train AI models.
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Ejaaz: This is something I was doing this week where I was trying to figure out how
9:31
Ejaaz: China's open source models were so much better than America's,
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Ejaaz: even though they have less resources and all that kind of stuff.
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Ejaaz: I was trying to figure this out.
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Ejaaz: And I was kind of like writing notes in my Google Doc, which perplexity had access to.
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Ejaaz: I was kind of like writing up some thoughts. And then I opened up a separate
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Ejaaz: tab to search for a specific term. And it already had it preloaded for me.
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Ejaaz: So again, it's like basic little things like this, but I like that it makes
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Ejaaz: me feel comfortable and heard.
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Ejaaz: But that's my take. Well, what about you, Josh?
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Josh: Did you? I've, yeah, I used it. No, I signed up for the, we got an invite code.
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Josh: I signed up. It was the most gorgeous onboarding experience.
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Josh: I have ever had. It was designed incredibly.
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Josh: You type in your code, it unlocks this really fancy screed, it has nice music
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Josh: playing in the background, you choose your profiles, it was gorgeous.
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Josh: And then I opened it up and it's the same as pretty much every other browser.
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Josh: In terms of how I used it, I actually used this example that we have on screen
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Josh: right now, which one of the interesting things about the AI browser versus a
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Josh: traditional LLM that we would use
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Josh: like ChatGPT is it doesn't have all the integrations that a browser has.
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Josh: So you can connect this AI browser, or in this case, Comet, to your Gmail and
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Josh: and actually have it interact with your email for you on your behalf.
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Josh: So this example here and what I tried is I get a decent amount of emails that
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Josh: I'm subscribed to from something I bought one time or from a community that
10:50
Josh: I used to be part of that I don't really care about.
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Josh: And you can just kind of ask it to pull the list of everything you're subscribed
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Josh: to, and then choose the ones that you want to unsubscribe to.
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Josh: And it will do all of the work of doing that for you.
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Josh: So immediately after a few minutes of trying this and a few prompts,
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Josh: I was able to clear out my inbox from maybe 20 of these garbage emails a day
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Josh: to maybe just like three or four of the ones I actually want to receive.
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Josh: And that was really cool to me. So in that case, it's really interesting because
11:13
Josh: it has the access to integrations that other LLMs don't necessarily have,
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Josh: like ChatGPT, like Grok.
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Josh: They exist in the silo, whereas this is kind of embedded across the entire browser
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Josh: experience. So in that case, it was good.
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Josh: I really enjoyed the browser.
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Josh: Outside of that, it felt very much just like a normal browser.
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Josh: And it was mostly annoying that I just had to re-log into all my accounts again to do the same thing.
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Josh: So I went to YouTube and I uploaded a video for this channel and I went to our
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Josh: RSS platform and I upload and I was doing the normal things I do.
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Josh: And what I realized is I really don't
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Josh: use the browser for all that many interesting things that require AI.
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Josh: When I want to use AI, I go to a tool Optimize for AI to kind of abstract away
11:57
Josh: the complexities of having to use a browser.
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Josh: So when I want to learn about something, primarily I use Grok for
12:01
Josh: that because grok has the live real-time information
12:04
Josh: from x which is normally where i consume most of my information anyway
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Josh: and i just have it pull all the aggregated data that i
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Josh: want for me versus actually going and trying to find it and as i'm going through
12:14
Josh: these use cases of how i use a browser there's less and less that are actually
12:17
Josh: interesting i think when people use browsers since the beginning of time they've
12:21
Josh: used them for two things right it's like for productivity and for leisure and
12:24
Josh: when you're doing work you just kind of interact with these specific apps in the browser.
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Josh: So you're using an Excel spreadsheet or you're doing whatever, like uploading a video.
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Josh: And then in leisure, you're kind of shopping for something. You're looking through
12:38
Josh: clothes. You're watching a YouTube video. You're consuming media.
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Josh: And on the leisure end, there's no way that AI can supplement that.
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Josh: And then on the productivity end, well, you kind of want AI to exclusively supplement that.
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Josh: And you don't want to have to deal with all these annoying interfaces or scraping
12:53
Josh: data or getting that information.
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Josh: So it puts this browser in kind of a weird spot where I was using it for a few days.
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Josh: I was excited about using it for a few days. And then I just kind of didn't
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Josh: really have a need to use it anymore.
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Josh: I do a lot of the thinking and the analyzing in Grok. I do a lot of the productivity work in ChatGPT.
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Josh: And then I just watch YouTube videos on YouTube using the Chrome browser that's
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Josh: worked for the last 30 years.
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Josh: So that's kind of where it's been weird with the AI agents is it seems cool,
13:18
Josh: but I'm not sure there's any sustainable use cases that are very exciting.
13:23
Ejaaz: Do you, do you agree, disagree?
13:26
Ejaaz: Yeah. I mean, last week we spoke about OpenAI's new agent, right?
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Ejaaz: And one of the main takeaways from that episode was, this agent's pretty cool,
13:37
Ejaaz: but it's not really adding much value to my life right now.
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Ejaaz: Sure, I can jump into my Gmail account and read a bunch of my docs, but okay, and then what?
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Ejaaz: Sure, I can research a bunch of clothes that I might want to buy, but then what?
13:55
Ejaaz: It doesn't buy anything for me. And I feel like this is the same type of case here, right?
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Ejaaz: Where you've added a solution to a place where maybe you don't actually quite need it, right?
14:06
Ejaaz: But I want to spend a bit of time arguing what this could be versus what it is right now.
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Ejaaz: Because I agree largely with you that it is not as useful as I'd want it to be.
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Ejaaz: And I really think you make a good point around the leisure side of things.
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Ejaaz: But I want to kind of like think about what this might end up becoming if we
14:24
Ejaaz: imagine that everyone's going to have some form of AI agent or companion in the future, right?
14:29
Ejaaz: So number one, I think the personal
14:32
Ejaaz: AI assistant is going to be a hugely valuable market going forwards.
14:37
Ejaaz: I don't quite know how it's going to manifest.
14:40
Ejaaz: My idea is it's probably going to be on the work side of things.
14:45
Ejaaz: So there's going to be an enterprise-heavy presence of AI agents.
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Ejaaz: And we're already seeing that already, where they kind of like plug into your
14:54
Ejaaz: workspace, your Slack, and they allow you to do a bunch of things.
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Ejaaz: Right now, they kind of suck.
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Ejaaz: But eventually, I'm guessing it's going to get better, and it's going to get more intuitive.
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Ejaaz: The second thing is, there's this trend, Josh, where I think we're stepping
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Ejaaz: away from a lot of the actions that we've grown so used to over the last decade, which is scrolling,
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Ejaaz: searching for different apps, downloading apps,
15:21
Ejaaz: tapping the screen, and typing letters.
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Ejaaz: I think this progression is going to become something more automable where we're
15:29
Ejaaz: going to be speaking into a microphone and we just kind of like look at things
15:34
Ejaaz: or AI guesses what we already want before we even get there, right?
15:39
Ejaaz: There's going to be this like autonomous kind of flow of things.
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Ejaaz: I don't think we're there. I think this is a stepping stone.
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Ejaaz: I do not think browsers right now are like a 10x improvement over what we had before.
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Ejaaz: So I'm with you. Like, I'm just going to use Google Chrome for now.
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Ejaaz: But it's a good shot on goal.
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Josh: To me, if I'm talking to Perplexity's CEO, which we are talking to in a few
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Josh: weeks, I think the idea is why on earth are you spending so much resources in
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Josh: this intermediary step?
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Josh: Because it feels like the end state of this is fully agentic,
16:08
Josh: fully obfuscating away all of the complexities of the browser.
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Josh: You want something, the agent goes out and gets it to you and delivers it to you.
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Josh: And this is kind of this middle ground that isn't quite there.
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Josh: And it's not fully leaning into agent. If we had to compare the agent episode
16:22
Josh: that we had last week to this week, it feels like open AI directionally is actually
16:26
Josh: in a much better position because that agent, you can see an end game there
16:29
Josh: where it kind of stinks now, but it's the right form factor.
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Josh: And it has the ability, it has the openness to do that. Whereas the browser is very constrained.
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Josh: I mean, their entire industry is dedicated to unifying user interfaces across
16:42
Josh: the internet, just so it's easy for humans to do that.
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Josh: And there's so much unnecessary complexity when it comes to this 35 year old
16:49
Josh: interface that was built for a world that is totally different than today.
16:52
Josh: So the constraints that existed in the 90s that we're still using today,
16:55
Josh: they no longer exist. And it feels a little lazy to just keep the same interface
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Josh: and throw an AI agent on top of it when you could really redesign this thing from the ground up.
17:04
Josh: You can really truly have an agent first world that doesn't require you to interface
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Josh: with any sort of browser like this at all. So I think that's the place that I'm
17:13
Ejaaz: Excited to go. What would that look like to you, Josh?
17:15
Josh: Yeah, it's probably either...
17:18
Josh: The earbuds in my ear or the little hardware piece that I have.
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Josh: And it knows everything about me. It spends time with me. It understands what
17:25
Josh: I like to do. It has my whole preference stack.
17:27
Josh: And when I want something or I want to know something, it has all the context
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Josh: to solve the problem for me and it can go and do it.
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Josh: And then in the case there's any clarifying questions, we can clarify,
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Josh: but it's really just a personal assistant that is fully capable of engaging
17:40
Josh: with the world the same way a human would be.
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Josh: And that to me feels like the final form of this agent.
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Ejaaz: So I'm hearing a few things. Number one, you think this is going to be a different
17:50
Ejaaz: form factor completely.
17:52
Ejaaz: So maybe not looking at a browser or maybe not even looking at a screen at all,
17:57
Ejaaz: but maybe it might be some kind of earbuds, as you said, we're kind of like
18:00
Ejaaz: opined on what the new hardware device that OpenAI is rumored to be building
18:04
Ejaaz: with Johnny Ive is going to be.
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Ejaaz: Maybe it's something that sits on your desk and listens and sees everything
18:09
Ejaaz: that you can see. But that's one thing, a different form factor.
18:12
Ejaaz: Number two, it sounds like you're describing a very multimodal world,
18:16
Ejaaz: which I agree with, right?
18:17
Ejaaz: So it's not just something that can understand text, but it's something that
18:22
Ejaaz: can see, that is very visual.
18:24
Ejaaz: It's something that can hear the same things that you hear, and that understands
18:28
Ejaaz: the context of conversations that you're having with other people,
18:31
Ejaaz: or why you do different things in the world, right?
18:34
Ejaaz: So it's kind of expanding from your digital presence to also be aware of your
18:38
Ejaaz: physical presence, right?
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Ejaaz: And then the third thing that I'm hearing from you, Josh, is we're just kind
18:43
Ejaaz: of at that midway point where we kind of have something or we're throwing a
18:49
Ejaaz: bunch of AI slop at the wall and hoping something sticks,
18:52
Ejaaz: but it's not cohesive right now.
18:55
Ejaaz: We just have this like cool AI chatbot and we've slapped it with a bunch of tool access, but
19:01
Ejaaz: it none of the none of the cogs work together none of them match so we just
19:06
Ejaaz: kind of have this really clunky kind of machine am i kind of like painting the picture accurately.
19:11
Josh: Yeah there's two approaches right there's one approach that is the open-ended
19:15
Josh: one that open ai is taking and then there's the constrained approach that perplexity
19:19
Josh: is taking where we're just going to take this browser experience and make it
19:21
Josh: a little bit better and the other side is hey we're just going to throw away
19:24
Josh: the entire browser experience because that no longer matters and we're going
19:27
Josh: to redesign it from the ground up using this new intelligence.
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Josh: And I think that's kind of the fork in the road that I see. And Perplexity has
19:34
Josh: taken one, as well as all the other companies that have made an AI browser.
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Josh: And then I would imagine Google, who hasn't released a browser,
19:40
Josh: is probably considering this.
19:42
Josh: OpenAI has done this. And they're kind of taking the way that feels like it
19:46
Josh: has an end game, where if you apply a lot more intelligence to a browser,
19:50
Josh: I'm not sure how much better it gets.
19:52
Josh: But if you apply a ton of intelligence to an open-ended agent, well,
19:55
Josh: that's scalable to infinity it can get infinitely more powerful
19:58
Josh: it's not constrained to any sort of interface it can build its own it can generate
20:02
Josh: its whatever it needs so just in terms of structurally speaking it feels as
20:07
Josh: if the agent is is the more probable outcome to win whereas a lot of these companies
20:12
Josh: are choosing the easy win quickly which is just oh here's a browser but ai okay
20:17
Ejaaz: I i don't know if i completely agree because i think a lot of these browser
20:23
Ejaaz: experiences are just going to become agentic.
20:26
Ejaaz: And I guess we should define what we're talking about here.
20:29
Ejaaz: I guess a browser experience with AI is you log on to your browser and then
20:34
Ejaaz: there's a bunch of summary tools or an AI search engine embedded in there.
20:40
Ejaaz: But something that's more agentic is something that can not only understand
20:46
Ejaaz: what you're asking, but then perform actions for you all autonomously in a loop,
20:50
Ejaaz: intuitively, maybe not in a loop, but open-ended.
20:53
Ejaaz: It can solve open-ended problems whilst you're sleeping or whatever that might be, right?
20:56
Ejaaz: And I think that eventually every browser is heading that way.
21:00
Ejaaz: And the reason why I'm convinced of this is something that I opened up the video
21:05
Ejaaz: with, which is that it has the most personal data set for you.
21:07
Ejaaz: The reason why OpenAI and ChatGPT is so sticky is because it knows so much about
21:12
Ejaaz: me, in my opinion, right?
21:14
Ejaaz: So I keep going back to it because I'm like, okay, it understands the context
21:17
Ejaaz: of what I'm about to ask it.
21:18
Ejaaz: If you think about it, browser is the next natural moat for that,
21:22
Ejaaz: right? Especially if you're trying to unlock AI that can do things for you.
21:27
Ejaaz: Where do you do most of your things? It's probably on the browser or probably
21:30
Ejaaz: on your phone, on your browser or via an app or whatever that might be.
21:33
Ejaaz: So I'm guessing that's probably where we're headed.
21:36
Josh: Okay, well, we will see. I want to dive into some examples so people who are
21:40
Josh: listening can actually see how they can use this today and what type of interesting
21:43
Josh: things people have been experimenting with.
21:45
Josh: I see you have a couple you've pulled up. Can you walk us through examples of
21:48
Josh: how people are actually using this tech today?
21:50
Ejaaz: Okay, so this is one, I think he's using perplexity on this one.
21:55
Ejaaz: This is actually something that I did. It looked very familiar.
21:58
Ejaaz: So in this video here, he's basically trying to create some form of a travel
22:03
Ejaaz: guide for the city that he's in. He's in Washington.
22:06
Ejaaz: And he's like, okay, hey, I want
22:08
Ejaaz: to go on a walk and see some of the major monuments and blah, blah, blah.
22:12
Ejaaz: Again, like, I feel like you could just Google search this and find like a million
22:17
Ejaaz: different forums that could do it.
22:19
Ejaaz: But I like that it's embedded into the app itself, so that I don't need to go
22:23
Ejaaz: to a forum, find someone's random Google Maps that they're willing to share
22:28
Ejaaz: with me, and then come back to this Google Maps app and it opens it up.
22:32
Ejaaz: Instead, it's all embedded into the application layer, which I like,
22:36
Ejaaz: and it saves me time. Not groundbreaking, but something that's pretty useful, right?
22:41
Ejaaz: We have something here, which is something that I've just seen a lot of the
22:43
Ejaaz: agent demos do, Josh, which is like, hey, I have a cluttering of random emails. Love. Yeah.
22:52
Ejaaz: Please unsubscribe for me, and we can just get on with my life and reduce my
22:57
Ejaaz: spam to basically zero, inbox to zero.
22:59
Ejaaz: And this is something that he demonstrates here. I tried this out as well,
23:02
Ejaaz: and I think you did as well, Josh.
23:04
Ejaaz: And it takes a couple of seconds, right? So you basically, two clicks,
23:08
Ejaaz: you connect PopXD to your Gmail account or whatever email account you use,
23:12
Ejaaz: and then you write a prompt in the search bar being like, hey,
23:15
Ejaaz: I just want to get rid of all my spam emails, and it does all of that subsequently.
23:20
Ejaaz: This is something that I feel like you and I could use sometime.
23:24
Ejaaz: Josh, I didn't actually try this, but creating content ideas for your YouTube channel.
23:29
Ejaaz: The difference between opening up a conversation with ChatGPT and saying,
23:35
Ejaaz: hey, I'm a video creator,
23:36
Ejaaz: can you tell me more about some ideas that I could potentially produce versus
23:41
Ejaaz: this is it actually scans your YouTube page itself whilst you're actually on it.
23:46
Ejaaz: Again, I don't think this is a novel experience because you could technically
23:49
Ejaaz: just copy and paste the link to your YouTube page into ChatGPT, do the same analysis.
23:56
Ejaaz: Maybe it takes three extra clicks or prompts, but you kind of get there at the end of the day.
24:02
Ejaaz: And then this is an example that I keep seeing pop up, Josh,
24:05
Ejaaz: because OpenAI demonstrated it during their live demo for their new agent release, which is,
24:10
Ejaaz: hey can you go through my LinkedIn network accept any
24:14
Ejaaz: kind of requests that you think would be useful towards furthering my career
24:18
Ejaaz: and also maybe reach out to a bunch of people that I might want to connect with
24:22
Ejaaz: in the future it's not quite at that capability it's still kind of like whatever
24:27
Ejaaz: I'm not really shocked by this but I'm guessing it's useful for some.
24:32
Ejaaz: And the final one which is something that Perplexity keeps kind of like talking
24:36
Ejaaz: about is the fact that it has awareness of all the tabs that you have open.
24:42
Ejaaz: I don't know about you, but I have probably around, I'm kind of like taking
24:47
Ejaaz: a scroll here, but like three different tabs open.
24:51
Ejaaz: And they're all pertaining to different things, right? And sometimes I lose
24:54
Ejaaz: tabs or most of the time I just forget about a bunch of tabs and why I need to use it.
24:59
Ejaaz: And they just kind of like remain dormantly open, praying that I reopen them again, right?
25:04
Ejaaz: What we have here is he's kind of like looking for different bike products that he wants to buy.
25:10
Ejaaz: He has a series of tabs open on different windows and all that kind of stuff.
25:13
Ejaaz: And what he does is he just goes to the search, sorry, the chat interface for
25:17
Ejaaz: complexity and puts in his request saying like, okay, right,
25:20
Ejaaz: now I need to figure out what model of bike that I want to buy.
25:23
Ejaaz: What kind of parts do I need for it? I'm going on this particular trip.
25:26
Ejaaz: It's going to be, whatever, 150 miles.
25:30
Ejaaz: Help me sort this out. And it kind of like leads him in a step-by-step process.
25:33
Ejaaz: Again, none of these kind of get me upright in bed.
25:38
Ejaaz: Do you know what I mean? I'm not kind of like, yeah, this and being like,
25:41
Ejaaz: wow, you know what? This is magical.
25:44
Ejaaz: This isn't like an whole iOS moment or, you know, an Apple Watch moment where
25:48
Ejaaz: I'm like, oh, wow, it's a new device.
25:49
Ejaaz: It's a new thing. So, yeah, I'm just kind of like left...
25:53
Ejaaz: Unsurprised i guess.
25:54
Josh: So i guess to wrap this up i have one more question for you which is a year
25:59
Josh: from now what do you think you are primarily using to interface with the internet
26:03
Josh: is it going to be one of these browsers or is it going to be an ai tool like
26:08
Josh: chat gpt like rock like gemini what's
26:10
Ejaaz: The time frame.
26:11
Josh: A year from today what do you think you'll will be more powerful to use i
26:16
Ejaaz: Will not be looking at a laptop josh if i'm looking at a laptop by that time
26:21
Ejaaz: we have completely and utterly failed.
26:23
Ejaaz: So I expect by that time to have some different kind of form factor where it's
26:28
Ejaaz: just my eyes and I see everything that I need to that is digital.
26:33
Ejaaz: I hear everything that I need to. If I want to watch a YouTube video,
26:36
Ejaaz: I kind of like look in a particular direction and it pops it open.
26:39
Ejaaz: I hear it. If I want to call my friend, I'm just one to two taps away from doing that.
26:45
Ejaaz: Or I just say, can you call Josh, please? I need to talk to him about A,
26:48
Ejaaz: B, and C. And it just does that. So it's not a browser.
26:51
Josh: Okay. Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't imagine a world in which browsers are
26:55
Josh: exciting, but I am very excited to ask the person who's making this about why
27:00
Josh: he is investing so much time,
27:02
Josh: energy, effort, money into building this browser, because we are having the
27:06
Josh: CEO for Plexi coming on in a few weeks.
27:08
Josh: We are going to talk to him about exactly this, and we're going to hear the
27:11
Josh: rebuttal from the person who is actually responsible for making this happen.
27:14
Josh: So I know, Ejaz, I'm certainly excited. I'm sure you are too.
27:18
Josh: I cannot wait for that episode. But in the meantime, we'll be dabbling.
27:21
Josh: I'll be trying to find more interesting use cases, more fun things to use the browser for.
27:25
Josh: If anyone else gets an opportunity to try it, please share in the comments.
27:28
Josh: Let us know what you think about the browser. Are we just missing the plot?
27:31
Josh: Is there something that we're not seeing because this is some amazing new tech?
27:35
Josh: Or is it actually just like, well, it's Chrome with like an AI extension built on top of it.
27:39
Josh: So we'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks as always for listening.
27:41
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27:43
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27:47
Josh: It's pretty cool. We have a good time here. So as always thank you for watching
27:49
Josh: we'll have another episode coming later this week and we will talk to you guys in the next one