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FIND DULCE MARIA ALAVEZ ! 5 year-old girl abducted from New Jersey park by man driving red van. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace originally started as sixty to
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Speaker 1: seventy acres here in this sprawling park. That search area
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Speaker 1: has now expanded to at least one thousand acres. I'll
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Speaker 1: show you exactly where we're standing. There's a basketball court
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Speaker 1: right behind us, and then beyond that there is a
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Speaker 1: playground That is where Dulce was last seen playing with
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Speaker 1: her brother. Beyond that, woods and a steep drop down
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Speaker 1: into a raceway stream that will be drained as the
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Speaker 1: search eclipses this twenty four hour mark. She will never
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Speaker 1: walk by herself or do something like that. This is
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Speaker 1: the first time that she did this. It's been twenty
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Speaker 1: four painstaking hours for Noema Alivez Peretz, who last saw
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Speaker 1: her daughter at this playground in Bridgeton City Park. Five
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Speaker 1: year old Dulce Maria Alvez was playing with her younger brother.
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Speaker 1: At first, I thought she was hiding, but as time
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Speaker 1: went on, worry continued to mount be thou and when
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Speaker 1: I went and look for her, I couldn't find them.
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Speaker 1: I thought she was in the woodside in suba. No,
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Speaker 1: she wasn't even there. Where is this little girl, dul
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Speaker 1: Say Maria. She's only five years old. You know. For
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Speaker 1: my husband's birthday, I gave him all the videos that
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Speaker 1: I could get together, put on DVD and on a
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Speaker 1: stick for him to look at all the children all
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Speaker 1: I could find and the ones when they are five
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Speaker 1: years old. They are so tiny. This little girl, dul
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Speaker 1: Say Maria Alavez, was last seen in a city park
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Speaker 1: in Bridgeton at a playground with her three year old
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Speaker 1: little brother, while mom Noma remained in her car about
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Speaker 1: thirty yards away with an eight year old relative. Thirty
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Speaker 1: yards that's ninety feet in a car talking to an
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Speaker 1: eight year old relative. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You just heard ABC
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Speaker 1: Action News our friend, reporter Maggie Kent there on the scene.
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Speaker 1: So many things are glaring at me. First, let me
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Speaker 1: at your Star All Star panel today to break it down,
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. This is urgent, guys, and
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Speaker 1: Amber alert right now for a five year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: She's absolutely gorgeous, long black hair, big brown eyes. Ashley Wilcot,
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Speaker 1: judge trial lawyer at Ashley Wilcot dot com. We're noown
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Speaker 1: psychologists out of New York joining us. Karen Stark, former
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Speaker 1: FBI special agent Jeff Cortesi, Mark klass Our, longtime friend crusader,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, Crime online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter David matt Tomorrow. Class I got a lot of
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Speaker 1: red flags here. Let's just start at the beginning. What
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Speaker 1: are your observations with the way the disappearance occurred. Well,
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Speaker 1: certainly a couple of things stand out. One thing that
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Speaker 1: absolutely stands out is the fact that after the little
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Speaker 1: girl disappeared, Dancy, it took twenty four hours, it took
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Speaker 1: a day for the Amber alert to be issued. And
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Speaker 1: I think that that's a systematic failure. Quite frankly, and
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Speaker 1: I've said this for years. Amber alert should be issued
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Speaker 1: from the bottom up as opposed to the top down.
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Speaker 1: If a local law enforcement agency believes that there's enough
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Speaker 1: information to issue the alert, it should be done. The
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Speaker 1: way this was done, this little girl could be absolutely
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Speaker 1: anywhere in the country. The other thing that really stands
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Speaker 1: out to me is the fact that people, particularly on
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Speaker 1: social media, are blaming the family for the girl's disappearance
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Speaker 1: because the mother wasn't acting the way they thought she
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Speaker 1: should act. You know, I've looked at the mom I've
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Speaker 1: listened very careful to her words. You know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know where they're getting that impression. I think their people
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Speaker 1: are angry because the little girl and the little boy
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Speaker 1: five and three years old were ninety feet away from
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Speaker 1: the moms. She was in a car with another child
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Speaker 1: while they were playing alone on the playground. But I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, Mark Glass, even me who preached
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Speaker 1: this day in day out, there have been times when
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Speaker 1: the twins and when they were younger, we're playing. They'd
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Speaker 1: be on the top of a slide. They'd want water.
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Speaker 1: I would walk away. I could see them, but I
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Speaker 1: would go to the car. I could still see them,
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Speaker 1: get their water bottles and walk back. But I could
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Speaker 1: have easily been fifty sixty feet away from them. So
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Speaker 1: before I throw a stone at this, whoever was to
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Speaker 1: throw a stone, if you've never done anything wrong with
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Speaker 1: your children, you pick up the rock and you throw
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Speaker 1: it first, Okay, Because when I look back, I'm actually
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Speaker 1: getting chills, Mark class. As much as you and I
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Speaker 1: have been through, especially you, for me to have walked
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Speaker 1: back to the car and got in the water bottles
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Speaker 1: and turned around. You know, Mark, I'm working on a
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Speaker 1: book right now. It's in final draft. Don't be a victim.
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Speaker 1: Grandma did exactly that, walk to the car to get
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Speaker 1: water for her granddaughter, went back, she was gone. It
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Speaker 1: happens just like that Mark class. Why are people so
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Speaker 1: angry at the mom? The way I understand is the
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Speaker 1: mom is not acting the way that they think she
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Speaker 1: should be acting. Maybe she's not crying enough, maybe she's
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Speaker 1: not showing enough anxiety. I really don't know, but I
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Speaker 1: think that people need to back off and leave this
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Speaker 1: young woman alone and focus on finding the girl, as
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Speaker 1: opposed to laying blame on somebody for her disappearance. To
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Dave, let's
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Speaker 1: just start at the beginning. What happened a typical Monday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Mom takes her kids to the park at about four o'clock.
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Speaker 1: The kids are in the park and they're playing. As
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, Mom is thirty yards away, sitting in the
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Speaker 1: car where she can see the five year old and
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Speaker 1: three year old, and she's in the car with an
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Speaker 1: eight year old niece. She's watching them play. But at
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Speaker 1: some point in time, about four to twenty in the afternoon,
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Speaker 1: the three year old boy comes back to the car
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Speaker 1: crying and he's pointing at these sheds storage buildings and
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Speaker 1: saying he cannot find the five year old Dulphe That's
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Speaker 1: when mom gets out of the car and starts looking.
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Speaker 1: She said that she first thought the five year old
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Speaker 1: was hiding, playing a game, playing a trick on the
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Speaker 1: little brother, but that within a matter of minutes she
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Speaker 1: realized that five year old Dulce was not hiding. There
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Speaker 1: was something really wrong. Okay, right there, right right there,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Walcott, as Dave Mack is reporting, I'm getting a
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Speaker 1: horrible sick feeling in my because it took the little
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Speaker 1: boy as long to walk from those sheds to the
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Speaker 1: mom crying. How long did that take for a three
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Speaker 1: year old to walk ninety feet he had already been
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Speaker 1: looking for the girl. How long was that? I mean
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Speaker 1: she has to be gone at least fifteen minutes before
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Speaker 1: the mom gets out of the car. Yeah, and so, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the thing to keep in mind that's already been pointed
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Speaker 1: out is it can only take a second. Right, Somebody
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Speaker 1: can still take kidnap your child in a second. So
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Speaker 1: when you have that big of a potential window of
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Speaker 1: time that this child could be abducted, it means that
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Speaker 1: they can be gone in a vehicle and well on
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Speaker 1: their way with this child. They've kidnapped sixty miles an
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Speaker 1: hour eight five six four five one zero zero three
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Speaker 1: three eight five six four five one zero zero three
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Speaker 1: three eight five six four five one zero zero three three.
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Speaker 1: The search for DLJA on right now. Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, State and local beliefs are joined by the
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Speaker 1: FBI Child Abduction Division. As the search continues, so does
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Speaker 1: a criminal investigation. If the child wandered away, time is
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Speaker 1: of the essence, obviously. If there's something foul play amiss,
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Speaker 1: time is also of the essence. The professional search crews
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Speaker 1: are utilizing every tool available in the air, on the ground,
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Speaker 1: and underwater, and strangers are stepping into help. I thought
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Speaker 1: I'd come down and just walk and look and see
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Speaker 1: what I could do, but I could see this as
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Speaker 1: a difficult search. I'm very concerned about this little girl,
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Speaker 1: and I pray to God that she's found. Shortly would say.
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Speaker 1: They have to use canines to search for this little
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Speaker 1: girl's mother's are, which was still parked in this parking
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Speaker 1: lot right near the playground where she went missing. They've
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Speaker 1: also searched the family home. The family they say has
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Speaker 1: been more than cooperative. You're hearing ABC Action News reporter
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Speaker 1: Maggie Kent, our friend. We are also now getting reports
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Speaker 1: regarding a red van. But I want you as Mark Klass,
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Speaker 1: the founder of Class Kids Foundation, He's not just a crusader.
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Speaker 1: Mark Class is a crime victim. His daughter Polly was
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Speaker 1: taken from Polly's home when Polly was having a sleepover
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Speaker 1: with other little girls. She was kidnapping as she was murdered.
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Speaker 1: He knows what he's talking about. He's devoted his life
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Speaker 1: to finding missing children. He says, online people are attacking
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Speaker 1: the mom. Let's take the listeners, Tom, She's friends. She
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Speaker 1: will really be seen around because she was all because
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Speaker 1: she will always be with me or my mom. She
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Speaker 1: will get it off, get away my month. I don't
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Speaker 1: know why. If she was just run, she's just round
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Speaker 1: a hair. I don't think she went away. If what
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Speaker 1: we are learning is true, she was taken. This little girl,
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Speaker 1: Dulci Alavez, was last seen in a city park Bridgeton,
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Speaker 1: on a playground with her three year old little brother,
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Speaker 1: while mom Noema remained in her car about thirty yards
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Speaker 1: away with an eight year old relative. The three year
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Speaker 1: old came back to the car crying. After a quick search,
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Speaker 1: Mom calls nine one one. Now we are learning reports
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Speaker 1: about a red van with a sliding door and tinted
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Speaker 1: windows and Amber alert says the man placed her in
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Speaker 1: the back seat before driving away. The man described as
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Speaker 1: light skin, possibly Hispanic, five six to five eight, with
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Speaker 1: a thin build, no facial hair, acne, wearing orange sneakers,
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Speaker 1: possibly Nike, red pants and a black shirt. The girl
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Speaker 1: was wearing what we know right now, a yellow shirt
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Speaker 1: with a Koala bear on the front, black and white
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Speaker 1: checked long pants and a flower and white sandals. Amber
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Speaker 1: alert issued after interviewing and reinterviewing people who were in
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Speaker 1: the city park near the ball fields on Monday afternoon. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is according to the police. The search going on
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Speaker 1: all day long with a very very exhaustive ground search
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Speaker 1: involving over fifty officers from multiple agencies. A waterway called
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Speaker 1: the Raceway was drained. Right now, we are waiting to
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Speaker 1: find out more. We know that the father, the bio Dad,
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Speaker 1: according to the Bridgetown Police Chief Michael Gamieri's in Mexico.
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Speaker 1: So that's your first suspect, but he is not here.
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Speaker 1: Repeat eight five six four five one, zero zero, three
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Speaker 1: to three. Jeff Cortazzi, former FBI special agent, Jeff, help
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Speaker 1: me out, what do we do now, Red Van, I'm
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Speaker 1: very surprised, Red Van, tin and windows. We haven't gotten
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Speaker 1: a little bit further in this search. Can't they narrow
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Speaker 1: it down by vehicle? You know, obviously that's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a big priority for them. They're gonna be scouring the
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Speaker 1: area for CCTV anything that they can do to identify
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Speaker 1: with more specificity the make model vehicle, some kind of
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Speaker 1: corroborating information to ensure that that's legitimate as well. So
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Speaker 1: depending on where the information came from. You know, witness
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Speaker 1: testimony unfortunately is not as dependable as we might all
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Speaker 1: like it to be. So they're gonna be looking to
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Speaker 1: corroborate that, maybe even identify a direction of travel, timestamp,
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Speaker 1: something that's going to nuge them in the right direction.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Aaron Baskerville at WCAU.
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Speaker 1: It's the innocence of a little girl enjoying her three
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Speaker 1: year old brother. In some of the final moments, four
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Speaker 1: five year old dulce Maria Alavez, seen here in the
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Speaker 1: yellow shirt, would vanish twenty minutes later, Investigators say a
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Speaker 1: man in a red van snatched her from Bridgeton City
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Speaker 1: Park with dulcin Maria's photo out in front of many stores.
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Speaker 1: Detectives went from business to business looking for more surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: Broad Street Liquor was one of their stops. You have
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Speaker 1: a camera that least to the street right here they
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Speaker 1: could use I guess to see the red van if
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Speaker 1: they passed. I guess when they take the little girl.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say they interviewed family members over and over again,
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Speaker 1: including her nineteen year old mother. Seen in the gas
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Speaker 1: station store with her. The little girl seemed to be
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Speaker 1: having fun choosing an ice cream and playing with her family.
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Speaker 1: Detectives are going through several videos now trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out if they can find the red van seen by witnesses.
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Speaker 1: It shows vehicles that we're exploring. You know, there's more
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Speaker 1: than one red van, but it does give us some leads.
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Speaker 1: They're hoping this isn't the last video they see of
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Speaker 1: the happy little girl. We don't even know Woodsucker Well.
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Speaker 1: The only thing we're asking is for her to come
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Speaker 1: back home safely. Investigators also say they are trying to
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Speaker 1: go through every single social media post, every single comment
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Speaker 1: as well, looking for those clues. They're also trying to
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Speaker 1: track down the girl's father, who we are told is
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Speaker 1: not in the country. Guys, please go to crime online
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Speaker 1: dot com. We have a photo up of what she
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Speaker 1: was wearing, of her and what she was wearing that day.
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Speaker 1: She has on black and white chicken long pants and
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Speaker 1: she has on a yellow light yellow tshirt with a
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Speaker 1: white Koala bear on the front. Her hair appears to
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Speaker 1: be down but pulled up from say the ears above
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Speaker 1: back into a black bow on the back of her head.
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Speaker 1: Please look at her photo at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Tipline eight five six four five one zero zero three
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Speaker 1: three two New York psychologist joining us from Manhattan right now, Karen, start,
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Speaker 1: why is everybody attacking the mom? Other people saw her
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Speaker 1: taken in this red van. I was concerned at first
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Speaker 1: because you always look at the mom and the dad
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Speaker 1: because there was a delay. But it's not just her delay.
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Speaker 1: Other people seemingly of seeing the red van and her
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Speaker 1: getting into the red van. I'll tell you, Nancy, it's
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Speaker 1: really awful when that happens. People have a preconceived notion
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Speaker 1: about the way we are supposed to react when something awful. Happens.
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Speaker 1: And this mother, they're accusing her because she doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: up said enough. She ate a slice of pizza. She's
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Speaker 1: doing things that others have decided do not look like
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Speaker 1: a grieving mom, and that is totally wrong. People grieve
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Speaker 1: in different ways. Some people totally withdraw, some people get hysterical.
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Speaker 1: You can't judge someone by the way they were reacting
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Speaker 1: to a terrible, scary situation like this, and she's frightened
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Speaker 1: and grieving. There's no doubt in my mind. I want
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Speaker 1: to focus on what we know to Mark Class Class
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Speaker 1: Kids Foundation founder. Police say they believe this man led
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Speaker 1: the little girl from the playground in the City Park area,
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Speaker 1: got her into a red van with a sliding side
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Speaker 1: door and tinted windows. Right there. A sliding side door
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Speaker 1: dates the van, all right, it dates the van. Many
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Speaker 1: vans don't have that. Many not as in many m
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Speaker 1: I N A, but m A N Y. A lot
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Speaker 1: of vans don't have that. They also believe this occurred
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Speaker 1: at four twenty in the afternoon on a Monday, broad
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Speaker 1: daylight Mark Class broad daylight. You know mancy predators, predators,
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Speaker 1: particularly if they're dealing with urges that they can control
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Speaker 1: are very bold and brazen in the way that they
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Speaker 1: take children, and they're also very practiced in how they
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Speaker 1: lure children. And I think that's kind of a key
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Speaker 1: to this and so many other disappearances, is that they
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Speaker 1: find a way to distract the child and get them
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Speaker 1: to come with them voluntarily. They either talk about their
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Speaker 1: missing puppy, or they want to give them money, or
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Speaker 1: they want to give them candy. And I think this
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Speaker 1: is something that parents need to talk to their children about. Now.
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Speaker 1: In this case, the fact that we know that they're
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Speaker 1: looking for a red van is a huge lead because
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Speaker 1: typically it's a white van, and if you look outside
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Speaker 1: and you look around, you'll see that there are these
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Speaker 1: white vans are every place. But once you start narrowing
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Speaker 1: it down in color, you're getting much more specific and
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Speaker 1: I think giving law enforcement and the public much more
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Speaker 1: information to be able to use and deal with as
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Speaker 1: we search for the individual that snaps this little girl.
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Speaker 1: And as you said, time is of the essence. A
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Speaker 1: mile a minute, that's how fast your child can disappear.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Thirty six hours now since
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Speaker 1: Luca Maria Davez was last seen, and police have now
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Speaker 1: issued an amber alert. They say they have reason to
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Speaker 1: believe that she was abducted. These are the last images
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Speaker 1: of Luca Maria before as she vanished. She wore a
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Speaker 1: yellow shirt with a Koala bearer on the front, black
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Speaker 1: and white pants, and white sandals. Police also have the
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Speaker 1: description of the man who is believed to have abducted
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Speaker 1: her from the bridget In City Park. They say he
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Speaker 1: is light skinned, about five six to five eight, a
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Speaker 1: thin billed, no facial hair, acne on his face, wearing
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Speaker 1: orange sneakers, possibly Nike, red pants, and a black shirt.
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Speaker 1: Police say this mystery man led Luce from the playground
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Speaker 1: to a red van with a sliding door and tinted windows.
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Speaker 1: She was seated in the back by that man and
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Speaker 1: then he drove off around four twenty. That would be
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Speaker 1: just minutes after her mother last saw her. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friend that was ABCX Jennie reporter Jeannette Yes, Where
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Speaker 1: is this little girl? Tipline eight five six four five
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Speaker 1: one zero zero three three to Mark Class founder Class
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Speaker 1: Kids Foundation, tell me the stats after three hours, after
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours, after thirty six hours, after seventy two hours,
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Speaker 1: well after three hours. If a child is taken by
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Speaker 1: a predator and the they're going to be murdered. Agall
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Speaker 1: After three hours, seventy four percent of those children are
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Speaker 1: going to be dead. After twenty four hours, ninety nine
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Speaker 1: percent of those children are going to be dead. Which
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Speaker 1: is why I say, if you're going to issue an
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Speaker 1: amber lard, it should be issued from the bottom up.
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Speaker 1: If local law enforcement believes there's enough information to put
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Speaker 1: that information out there, they should be given the right
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Speaker 1: to do it. They shouldn't have to go through some
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Speaker 1: kind of a state authority. I'll tell you, Mark, I
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Speaker 1: know you, and I believe the attacks on the mom
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Speaker 1: are unwarranted, but I know why everybody's mad. She's sitting
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Speaker 1: in a car while her children are ninety f There
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Speaker 1: was enough time for the guy to approach the little girl,
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Speaker 1: lead her to a red van, get her in the van,
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Speaker 1: shut the door, drive off. The little boy starts crying.
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Speaker 1: He walks all the way the ninety feet back to
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Speaker 1: the mom, and that much time we know has passed.
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Speaker 1: And in the vast majority of missing child cases, it's
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Speaker 1: going to be a parent that's involved in the disappearance.
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Speaker 1: That's another reason I think that people are focusing on
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Speaker 1: the mom but when you get into the predatory situation,
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Speaker 1: you're dealing with something entirely different. So if a child
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Speaker 1: is going to be murdered as a result of this
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Speaker 1: kind of introduction, seventy four percent of those kids are
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Speaker 1: going to be dead within the first three hours. Ninety
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Speaker 1: nine percent of those children are going to be dead
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Speaker 1: within the first twenty four hours. Two Ashley Wilcott, judge,
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer at Ashley Wilcot dot com. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking about what the mom says. She says, I
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Speaker 1: saw my son crime because someone had thrown his eyes
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Speaker 1: cream on the floor, and after that he started pointing
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Speaker 1: behind buildings. She tells the reports there were structures near
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Speaker 1: the playground. At first she thought the little girl was hiding,
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Speaker 1: playing hide and see she started looking. All of that
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Speaker 1: is innocent, but the reality is it wasted time. It
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Speaker 1: did waste time. But remember, Nancy, two, this is a park.
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Speaker 1: So first of all, I just have to say that statistically,
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Speaker 1: in terms of predators, you know this as well as
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Speaker 1: I do. Where do they go schools, parks, places that
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Speaker 1: they know they're going to see children, so that they
21:28
Speaker 1: can be predators on children they don't know, right, they
21:31
Speaker 1: can find children, they can dure them into the car.
21:34
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I struggle because the first thing
21:37
Speaker 1: you should do when you don't see your child is
21:39
Speaker 1: called nine one one. However, as a parent, maybe you're
21:42
Speaker 1: in disbelief. Maybe you think, oh, she's probably hiding behind
21:45
Speaker 1: the building, hiding behind the tree. Panic, But let me
21:48
Speaker 1: go find her, let me go get her. The reality
21:51
Speaker 1: is that does what you just pointed out, It wastes time.
21:55
Speaker 1: So this is a reminder, always called nine one one. Immediately, guys,
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Speaker 1: we are on the hunt for a little girl eight
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Speaker 1: five six four five one zero zero three three. Dave
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Speaker 1: maat Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac just
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Speaker 1: go through the facts as we know them right now.
22:11
Speaker 1: It started in the park where mom takes her children
22:14
Speaker 1: to the park to play. She sits in her car,
22:17
Speaker 1: as we've mentioned, with an eight year old niece. She's
22:19
Speaker 1: watching the children play. At some point in time, Mom
22:23
Speaker 1: is distracted enough to not see what happens. But the
22:27
Speaker 1: next thing we know, at about four twenty, the three
22:30
Speaker 1: year old little boy comes back to the car crying,
22:33
Speaker 1: saying he can't find Dulce. He points to these storage
22:37
Speaker 1: buildings and the mom thinks that Delse is hiding either.
22:40
Speaker 1: You know, the storage buildings are in the woods, and
22:42
Speaker 1: she begins looking. She looks for ten to fifteen minutes,
22:45
Speaker 1: and when she doesn't find Dulse, she calls her brother.
22:48
Speaker 1: He comes to the park and they start looking again.
22:51
Speaker 1: Shortly before five pm they call nine one one, so
22:54
Speaker 1: it's about thirty minutes from the time the little boy
22:57
Speaker 1: comes to the car saying I can't find Dulse till
22:59
Speaker 1: the time they actually call nine one one. At that
23:03
Speaker 1: point the police actually get into the park and many
23:06
Speaker 1: many volunteers start searching because at that point they think
23:10
Speaker 1: that she's just missing in the park. They can't find her.
23:14
Speaker 1: From that point, police investigate by interviewing everybody they can
23:17
Speaker 1: find in the park, and they say they had no
23:19
Speaker 1: reason to believe she was abducted. However, after a second
23:23
Speaker 1: round of interviews with these people, they were able to
23:26
Speaker 1: change the investigation and now believe that a man lured
23:30
Speaker 1: don't say into As we've mentioned the red van, tended
23:34
Speaker 1: windows sliding door. She was seen getting into the car,
23:37
Speaker 1: even specific enough to be seated behind her abductor in
23:42
Speaker 1: the vehicle and driving away. That's what we know. Mark
23:46
Speaker 1: Class coaskis foundation of why did they say at the
23:49
Speaker 1: beginning they interviewed people and did not think it was
23:51
Speaker 1: a kidnapping? Why did they keep saying that? Because witnesses
23:54
Speaker 1: describe even what he's wearing, down to his shoes and
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Speaker 1: his pants, and assure his acne and attended windows in
24:03
Speaker 1: the red van. I mean, there's got to be multiple
24:07
Speaker 1: witnesses to have that detailed of a description. They have
24:11
Speaker 1: to be making that judgment prior to prior to interrogating
24:15
Speaker 1: those witnesses. It's as simple as that. It's not someplace
24:19
Speaker 1: you want to go. These kinds of abductions, as horrible
24:22
Speaker 1: as they are, and as much as we talk about
24:24
Speaker 1: and don't happen as often as well, they don't happen
24:28
Speaker 1: terribly often at all. So when one does happen, when
24:31
Speaker 1: one does occur, people are going to do everything they
24:33
Speaker 1: can to try to refocus it and find a different
24:36
Speaker 1: reason for it, because really, this is the worst possible
24:39
Speaker 1: thing that can happen to a child and their family.
24:42
Speaker 1: It is a thousand acre park. Jeff Cortesi from her
24:48
Speaker 1: FBI specialized a thousand acres, But you know what, that's irrelevant. Actually,
24:52
Speaker 1: at first it floored me because he took her in
24:54
Speaker 1: the red van. She's not in the park somewhere, She's
24:57
Speaker 1: long gone from there. Yeah, and Nancy and zed Mark
25:00
Speaker 1: and actually both pointed out of in two critical takeaways
25:03
Speaker 1: our time is of the essence is an understatement and
25:09
Speaker 1: called police immediately. Those are Those are two huge takeaways.
25:13
Speaker 1: I mean, the abduction took place in the late afternoon
25:15
Speaker 1: four twenty four thirty in the afternoon South Jersey, outside
25:20
Speaker 1: of Philadelphia, traffic conditions being what they are. The sooner
25:23
Speaker 1: you get that Amber learned out, the more higher probability
25:27
Speaker 1: of somebody actually seeing the vehicle stuck in traffic. This
25:32
Speaker 1: is just heartbreaking. Two CBS three Philly reporter Clay Briant, Now,
25:36
Speaker 1: I talked to the police chief this morning. He tells
25:38
Speaker 1: me that their detectives developed new information by doing a
25:41
Speaker 1: second round of interviews with people in the park around
25:43
Speaker 1: the time of Dulce's disappearance. They now believe a man
25:47
Speaker 1: in a minivan took the girl. They don't know if
25:49
Speaker 1: he's familiar with her or a complete stranger. Many questions remain.
25:53
Speaker 1: Was the girl actually lord was she grabbed? Police can't
25:56
Speaker 1: say at the moment, but here's what they do know.
25:57
Speaker 1: They have a description that they want everyone to be
26:00
Speaker 1: looking out for this suspect. They describe him as a
26:03
Speaker 1: light skinned, possibly Hispanic man, standing five six to five eight,
26:06
Speaker 1: with a thin billed, no facial hair, but they believe
26:09
Speaker 1: he has acne or some sort of skin blemishes. Police
26:14
Speaker 1: say he was last seen wearing orange sneakers, red pants,
26:18
Speaker 1: and a black shirt with a red van, a minivan
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Speaker 1: with a sliding door and tinted windows. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this little girl just five years old, missing,
26:41
Speaker 1: the search going on. You know, you brought up a
26:44
Speaker 1: really good issue to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent
26:49
Speaker 1: Mark Class, what about this. I've been covering the Jennifer Dulos,
26:52
Speaker 1: the Connecticut mom of five who's gone missing. And when
26:55
Speaker 1: I looked at that affidavit supporting an arrest for tampering
26:58
Speaker 1: with evidence, I was overwhelmed at all the surveillance video
27:02
Speaker 1: they've obtained. They got him from school buses. When the
27:06
Speaker 1: school bus doors open, they take pictures and they have
27:09
Speaker 1: video going on school buses, all sorts of businesses, residential
27:12
Speaker 1: homes in neighborhoods, traffic light toll booths, to piece together
27:18
Speaker 1: a timeline following the suspects cars. I don't understand here,
27:23
Speaker 1: As Cortesi pointed out, this is rush Homer. He napped
27:26
Speaker 1: her around four to twenty in the afternoon, broad daylight.
27:29
Speaker 1: Traffic's terrible. It's hard for me to believe that in
27:33
Speaker 1: this very populated area of Bridgetown, New Jersey, we don't
27:36
Speaker 1: have more surveillance video of that red van mark class.
27:39
Speaker 1: You know what, Nancy, The surveillance video exists. There's no
27:43
Speaker 1: question about that. It's a matter of people looking at
27:45
Speaker 1: what they have and or law enforcement knocking on a
27:48
Speaker 1: lot of doors until they're able to acquire the piece
27:52
Speaker 1: of evidence that's going to turn this case on its nose,
27:55
Speaker 1: because quite frankly, they have a huge lead here. Just
27:58
Speaker 1: knowing that it was a red and that it was
28:00
Speaker 1: a man of a certain description puts them far ahead
28:04
Speaker 1: of a lot of other predatory abductions where you have
28:06
Speaker 1: absolutely no information at all. So they just have to
28:09
Speaker 1: be diligent. They have to put their boots to the ground,
28:12
Speaker 1: and this case will be solved, hopefully sooner rather than later.
28:15
Speaker 1: This is what we know. The mom said, everybody take
28:17
Speaker 1: a listen. I saw my son crying because someone and
28:20
Speaker 1: threw his ice cream on the floor. And after that
28:23
Speaker 1: he started pointing behind those buildings, the mom tells reporters,
28:27
Speaker 1: gesturing towards structures located near where her daughter was playing.
28:31
Speaker 1: We thought she was hiding playing hide and seek. As
28:34
Speaker 1: of right now, cops haven't been able to confirm the
28:36
Speaker 1: ice cream incident. I don't know that that's entirely relevant.
28:39
Speaker 1: The mom says. She looked for ten to fifteen minutes
28:42
Speaker 1: before calling her brother to come help, and they ultimately
28:45
Speaker 1: contact the police shortly before five pm. Now how many
28:50
Speaker 1: minutes had passed? I originally got the time for twenty
28:54
Speaker 1: This is five pm. Investigators searched a thousand acre park
28:58
Speaker 1: neighborhoods nearby Onset late was drained. At the end of
29:02
Speaker 1: that day, the search was called off. The search is
29:05
Speaker 1: ongoing right now. When you hear all that, Mark Class,
29:09
Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, what I think is that
29:11
Speaker 1: they're going to find this guy, Nancy. I think that
29:13
Speaker 1: although they were slow to respond immediately, they made some
29:16
Speaker 1: bad moves. Immediately law enforcement has turned it. They're doing
29:19
Speaker 1: exactly what they need to do. They're asking the public
29:22
Speaker 1: for help, and they're going to find this child. Hopefully
29:24
Speaker 1: she'll be fine, and hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later.
29:27
Speaker 1: And what does that say to you? Ashley Wilcot, judge
29:29
Speaker 1: trial lawyer. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
29:33
Speaker 1: Ashley said, this guy would take the girl in broad
29:37
Speaker 1: daylight with people around. Yeah, so that's what Mark said earlier.
29:42
Speaker 1: You know these kinds of perpetrators, they are bold, they
29:45
Speaker 1: are brazen. This is not the first time that they've
29:50
Speaker 1: tried or have actually taken a child. So, Nancy, they
29:55
Speaker 1: don't care if it's broad daylight and everybody's watching, they
29:59
Speaker 1: don't care because their mind wiring is I want that child.
30:05
Speaker 1: That's why they're perpetrators. Mark class question to you, what
30:10
Speaker 1: does this mean to you? That the child did not scream,
30:13
Speaker 1: did not five, did not try to get away, That
30:16
Speaker 1: the individual that took her is a practiced individual and
30:19
Speaker 1: luring children and knows what he needs to do to
30:23
Speaker 1: be able to keep a child silent and to be
30:26
Speaker 1: able to get them under their control. And there are
30:28
Speaker 1: so many different kinds of luwers. That's the thing, Nancy,
30:31
Speaker 1: there are so many different kinds of luwers, and parents
30:33
Speaker 1: need to be aware of this. And talk to their
30:34
Speaker 1: kids about this. But the fact that she didn't yell
30:36
Speaker 1: and scream, that means nothing. She's a five year old,
30:39
Speaker 1: Well yeah, no, of course it means something. I mean,
30:42
Speaker 1: five year olds are emotional, and they're easy to scream,
30:45
Speaker 1: and they're easy to yield. But this is a guy
30:47
Speaker 1: that knows how to control children and knows how to
30:50
Speaker 1: do it in a way that has allowed him, probably
30:53
Speaker 1: in the past and hopefully not in the future, to
30:55
Speaker 1: be able to control the children to the point where
30:58
Speaker 1: they have disappeared. Listen to our friend from CBS three
31:02
Speaker 1: Eyewitness News to Alexandria Huff. Police do believe that this
31:05
Speaker 1: five year old was taken from this park yesterday afternoon. Now,
31:10
Speaker 1: police prior to this search cruise were out day and night,
31:14
Speaker 1: including this evening, searching for this young girl, leaving that
31:17
Speaker 1: she was possibly lost in the woods, hurt or injured
31:20
Speaker 1: or something of that sort. And obviously now the dynamic
31:22
Speaker 1: of this informa of this investigation has changed, so we
31:25
Speaker 1: want you to pay close attention to the description of
31:28
Speaker 1: the man who police s took this young girl. Police
31:32
Speaker 1: say it was at four twenty Monday afternoon when a
31:35
Speaker 1: man took five year old Dulce Maria Alavez while she
31:38
Speaker 1: was playing at the Bridgeton City Park. That man has
31:41
Speaker 1: been described to be light skinned, possibly Hispanic, standing five
31:45
Speaker 1: six to five eight, with a thin build. He has
31:48
Speaker 1: acne but no facial hair, and maybe wearing orange sneakers,
31:51
Speaker 1: red pants, and a black shirt. Police say that that
31:54
Speaker 1: man led Dulse from the park to a red van
31:57
Speaker 1: with tinted windows and sliding side door. Dulce was seated
32:01
Speaker 1: in the backseat and driven away. She has not been
32:03
Speaker 1: seen since. I want to circle back to Dave Matt.
32:07
Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what are law what is law enforcement doing
32:10
Speaker 1: to try to find Dulcha everything that is at their
32:12
Speaker 1: disposal Nancy. You know, as we mentioned on the after
32:16
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, the FBI brought in specialists to actually
32:20
Speaker 1: scour the park and to conduct the secondary interviews where
32:24
Speaker 1: they were able to develop the lead, the information that
32:27
Speaker 1: she was lured away and taken in that red man.
32:32
Speaker 1: At this point, they've put up every possible thing that
32:35
Speaker 1: they know to do to actually try to find Dulse.
32:39
Speaker 1: We're talking about the amber alert that did go up,
32:41
Speaker 1: but not immediately there. They've done the door knocking, and
32:45
Speaker 1: they've again reinterviewed everybody that was not the part that
32:49
Speaker 1: day and in the area surrounding that. They also have
32:52
Speaker 1: contacted all the people that live in that area and
32:54
Speaker 1: the business owners who have surveillance video. They're not telling
32:57
Speaker 1: us what they've seen, but we do know they have
32:59
Speaker 1: got all that available surveillance video to try to determine
33:03
Speaker 1: the direction the driver of the red band took off
33:06
Speaker 1: after he left the park. This is what we know
33:08
Speaker 1: about child kidnap. We know that every forty seconds in
33:12
Speaker 1: the US, a child goes missing. We also know that
33:19
Speaker 1: many many of the kidnaps take place within a mile
33:24
Speaker 1: of the home to Dave Mack, was this park, this
33:28
Speaker 1: playground close to where the little girl was living. It
33:32
Speaker 1: was near It was a park that they regularly go
33:35
Speaker 1: to as well. The family very familiar with the park
33:38
Speaker 1: and have often had family gatherings there. So yes, this
33:42
Speaker 1: was close to their home and part of their regular lifestyle.
33:46
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just wondering, Jeff cortezi, former FBI special agent,
33:50
Speaker 1: if he had not been watching this particular child. It's
33:53
Speaker 1: possible and those are some of the things that law
33:56
Speaker 1: enforcement's going to look at. You know, was this somebody
33:58
Speaker 1: who was tracking this particular child, or is this somebody
34:01
Speaker 1: who's monitoring a location waiting for an opportunity, A child
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Speaker 1: whose parent wasn't maybe looking at the right time. Tipline
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Speaker 1: eight five six four five one zero zero three to
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Speaker 1: three repeat eight five six four five one zero zero
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Speaker 1: three three. There is a chance this five year old
34:22
Speaker 1: little girl is still alive. Go to crime online dot
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Speaker 1: com and look at her picture. Please help us. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace crime Story signing off, Get Bye, Friend,