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DIDDY SUCKS PRINCE HARRY INTO SEX-TRAFFIC CESSPOOL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Diddy sucks Prince Harry into
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Speaker 1: his sex traffic cesspool. This as Justin Bieber makes a
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Speaker 1: bombshell announcement, I mean claims he too was abused by
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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs. Diddy grilling Cassie on an NFL mystery lover
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Speaker 1: as a Chris Brown romance revealed. I'm Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. This
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Speaker 1: as reports of Shawn Combs is tutsi role.
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Speaker 2: She is comparing Combe's penis.
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Speaker 1: To a Tootsie role ed b d didy ed b
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Speaker 1: d d d ed b d didy the totsy roll.
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Speaker 3: Shawn Combs is tootsi roll.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said that, but I didn't say it first
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Speaker 1: an alleged rape victim set up first.
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Speaker 3: But let's get to now.
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Speaker 1: Joining us outside the courthouse, Lauren Colin, investigative reporter and
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Speaker 1: star of Pup Crime TV.
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Speaker 3: Lauren, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: What is this I'm hearing about a mystery NFL lover
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Speaker 1: and what does that have to do with Sean Cones
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Speaker 1: being charged with sex trafficking and Rico criminal enterprise.
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Speaker 3: They're just dragging Cassie through the mud. For no reason.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: A lot of what we're hearing on the stand from Cassie,
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Speaker 4: many of us are questioning what this has to do
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Speaker 4: with anything besides laying a foundation. But the NFL player,
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Speaker 4: we heard about, this mysterious NFL player that really was
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Speaker 4: trying to get us to see why Didty was jealous.
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Speaker 4: We also heard about a twenty thirteen incident where Didty
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Speaker 4: was jealous of Cassie because she was allegedly dancing with
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Speaker 4: Chris Brown and he stole her phone. Cassie actually denied
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Speaker 4: on the stand that she was with Chris Brown at all,
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Speaker 4: but she does remember him stealing her phone. There was
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Speaker 4: another incident we heard about that was pretty traumatizing for her,
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Speaker 4: where she was driving with Ditty in the car to
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Speaker 4: a doctor's appointment and he told her, Hey, text your
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Speaker 4: mom you're okay, and I'm paraphrasing. As soon as she
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Speaker 4: unlocked her phone, she said that Diddy grabbed it, ran
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Speaker 4: off with it, and she didn't get it back for
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Speaker 4: a few hours and her mom called the police.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you know what, I'm going to follow up with
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Speaker 1: a shrink in just a few moments about the type
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Speaker 1: of power and control When I was working in the
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Speaker 1: batter Women's Center as a volunteer, Lauren. At that juncture,
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Speaker 1: everybody was still tethered to the wall with a phone
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Speaker 1: right and the perp would snatch the phone out of
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Speaker 1: the wall.
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Speaker 3: Here, same thing, different decades.
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Speaker 1: So what else is happening in the courtroom beside the
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Speaker 1: defense trying to drag Cassievententior through the mud and after
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Speaker 1: a moment up particular my w I'm shredding her.
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Speaker 3: On cross exam, Sean Colmes had a hot.
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Speaker 1: Mike incident where you could hear him say I'm proud
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Speaker 1: of you to the lawyer that.
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Speaker 3: Was attacking Cassie Ventura.
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Speaker 4: I thought that her approach was gentle. She wasn't baddering Cassie,
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Speaker 4: and that was strategic. Well, we are not really seeing that.
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Speaker 4: On the remainder of the Cross. We were seeing a
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Speaker 4: lot of Cassie being called out for things. You know,
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Speaker 4: she had alleged an incident where Diddy seemed to have
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Speaker 4: this most mafioso type dinner and these are my words,
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Speaker 4: after she heard about someone allegedly having an fo tape
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Speaker 4: while there was an explosive recording played where Cassie approached
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Speaker 4: this person about the FO tape, and she said things
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Speaker 4: like I will kill you. I will bury you under
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Speaker 4: the dirt. Again I'm paraphrasing, and then she said, and
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Speaker 4: it won't be me. I won't have blood on my hands.
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Speaker 4: It'll be someone else. So you know that that wasn't
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Speaker 4: I did feel for Cassie on that. And oh, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: we actually heard about Jonathan Odie.
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Speaker 3: We actually heard.
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Speaker 4: From Cassie herself that she saw him hold up a
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Speaker 4: phone during an FO and she went to tell Sean Colmes,
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Speaker 4: and the prosecutor asked her, well, do you know what happened?
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Speaker 4: Did he pay him off? Do you know about this?
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Speaker 4: Cassie alleged she didn't know, but the rest of us
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Speaker 4: know what happens.
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Speaker 1: So wait, you're telling me that it just came out
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Speaker 1: on the stand that Jonathan Odie was brought up, and
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Speaker 1: we've got him on tape saying in like twenty eighteen
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Speaker 1: that he was a sex slave to Sean Combs and
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Speaker 1: that comes to make him have sex with Cassie Ventura
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Speaker 1: and sit back and masturbate and watch the whole time,
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Speaker 1: and it comes paid him off. He even mentioned Mark
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Speaker 1: Geragos in that twenty eighteen recording that's not the best
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Speaker 1: picture he ever took. But that said, now Odie has
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Speaker 1: come out as part of the cross examination, and Cassie
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Speaker 1: Ventira describes an incident where Odie was videoing a free
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Speaker 1: off as you say, fo.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Apparently he lifted his phone up and she freaked
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Speaker 4: out and she told Sean Colmes, and she alleged that
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Speaker 4: she didn't know that he paid him off, but she
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Speaker 4: knew that essentially he quote took care of it. Also,
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Speaker 4: the company they were using, the escort company, it's called
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Speaker 4: Cowboys and Angels. It was revealed that this escort service
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Speaker 4: was part of a reality show called Jigglows.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, Lauren Colin, you're just full of probative information.
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Speaker 1: You know what they're doing right now is dragging Cassie
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Speaker 1: Venturer through the mud in an attempt to make.
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Speaker 3: Her look like the bad person.
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Speaker 1: But I still say that that tape, that Intercontinental tape,
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Speaker 1: is going to carry the day. What else has happened
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Speaker 1: on the stand today?
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Speaker 4: So, speaking of trying to make Cassie look bad, they
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Speaker 4: brought up a slew of text messages after that incident,
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Speaker 4: and I know what they were. What they were going
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Speaker 4: for I mean, they were trying to say that they
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Speaker 4: had a relationship after the ENCID but in my opinion
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Speaker 4: as an observer, Cassie said something like, you know, I
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Speaker 4: don't want Friday to happen again, you know, referencing the beatdown,
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Speaker 4: and Diddy said something like f Friday, lol, and she
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Speaker 4: kind of said lol back, and I'm thinking, I mean,
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Speaker 4: that's how you want to treat you know, a beatdown
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Speaker 4: like that when you abuse your the person you love,
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Speaker 4: you say lol f Friday. I didn't think that made
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Speaker 4: Diddy look good, and I know they were trying to
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Speaker 4: make Cassie look bad for corresponding with him. Additionally, Cassie
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Speaker 4: had alleged a rape that occurred in August of twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 4: and the defense attorney found transcripts where she told the
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Speaker 4: government that it happened in September of twenty eighteen, really
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Speaker 4: trying to again pull holes in her story. And they
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Speaker 4: also showed us text messages between Cassie and Diddy after
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Speaker 4: the alleged rape where he said I know I didn't
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Speaker 4: turn you on, I've fallen off and she responds with.
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Speaker 3: A heart emoji. So there's a lot of that going on.
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Speaker 4: And I have to say, Nancy, it's been so wild
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Speaker 4: to hear the evidentiary stuff before the trial starts, because
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Speaker 4: it's like, we're sitting there and we're listening to a
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Speaker 4: federal judge say the term free thoughts, which is just wild.
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Speaker 1: Guy's joining us at the courthouse. Star Pop Crime TV
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Speaker 1: co host Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 3: Lauren, we've heard.
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Speaker 1: About Jonathan Odie. We've heard about a mystery NFL lover.
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Speaker 3: What was that about? You told me about Chris Brown,
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Speaker 3: But what about the NFL? Star Listen.
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Speaker 4: I don't know much about sports, but I plan on
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Speaker 4: looking this up after because that was a moment that
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Speaker 4: many of us were like, who did she date in
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Speaker 4: the NFL?
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Speaker 3: And I believe the year.
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Speaker 4: Don't quote me on this, but it was some time
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Speaker 4: between twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, tell me how Cassie is holding up on
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Speaker 1: the stand.
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Speaker 3: How does she look today?
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Speaker 4: She looks beautiful, her hair is down, she has a
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Speaker 4: white shirt and a black jacket, and again, she remains
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Speaker 4: to be remains boys.
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Speaker 3: He remains composed.
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Speaker 4: She's answering the questions as that she can, and we're
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Speaker 4: going through pages and pages of text messages from ten
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Speaker 4: years ago. So it's trying. And when I was leaving
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Speaker 4: the courtroom for lunch, I saw her lawyers walk in
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Speaker 4: bringing her some Dunkin Donuts for lunch.
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Speaker 1: And how is the jury responding? How did they their
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Speaker 1: demeanors throughout the day today?
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Speaker 4: Overall, this jury has been very stoic, very rarely showing
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Speaker 4: emotion as well as poems is family. Everyone seems to
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Speaker 4: be pretty composed.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining us outside the courtroom, I'll talk to
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Speaker 1: you in just a few moments, Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in the.
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Speaker 1: Entire panel joining me in all star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning right now. But first
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Robert Crispin, joining
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Speaker 1: us private investigator at Crispin Special Investigations, but for my purposes,
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Speaker 1: former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice, DEEA Miami Field Division, never lack of business,
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Speaker 1: former homicide and for today, former Vice Cop Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 1: I put a lot of female victims on the stand. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I've put a female preacher on the stand. I've taken
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Speaker 1: a depot from Anne in a different case. I've put
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Speaker 1: prostitutes on the stand. I've put dope addicts on the stand.
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Speaker 3: It never fails.
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Speaker 1: Whether it's a female preacher or a prostitute.
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Speaker 3: They get dragged through the mud.
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Speaker 1: Everything they've ever said or done wrong according to society
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Speaker 1: in the past is brought up. So they've got cassieven
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Speaker 1: Or threatening somebody, and I'm gonna go to Sydney subnert
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Speaker 1: to explain why she was threatening someone, and it's caught
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Speaker 1: on video and they play it. I mean, think about it, Robert,
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Speaker 1: not out loud, please, the worst thing you've ever done,
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Speaker 1: the worst moment, not just talking about it, but actually
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Speaker 1: having it on video, the worst thing, the thing you
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Speaker 1: don't want your children to know about. Okay, everybody hold
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Speaker 1: that thought just a moment. And then a video emerges
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Speaker 1: and it's played in front of a jury. She is
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Speaker 1: being attacked for having other lovers, for some claimed flirtation
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Speaker 1: with Chris Brown. All right, who would want him after
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Speaker 1: the way he treated Rihanna. But that's a whole other
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Speaker 1: can of worms. Just see what I'm saying. They're talking
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Speaker 1: about her drug use. They're talking about a violent episode,
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Speaker 1: a violent threat.
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Speaker 3: She made, and it's caught on video.
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Speaker 1: They're doing everything they can to demonize Cassie Ventura and
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Speaker 1: you and I've seen it a million times, Crispin.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're trying to make her look really bad in
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Speaker 5: front of that jury. But sadly enough, all the drugs,
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Speaker 5: all the stuff that she was doing was an escape.
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Speaker 5: It was an escape from her mind, to get away
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Speaker 5: from Diddy into a different world in her mind. The
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Speaker 5: drugs helped her with the pain. The drugs helped her
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Speaker 5: forget things. She's on certain things. She talked about being
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Speaker 5: on suboxen, which is a drug to help you get
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Speaker 5: off an opiate addiction. These are things that start, believe
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Speaker 5: it or not, with the boyfriend giving the drugs to
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Speaker 5: the girlfriend and the next thing she becomes addictive.
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Speaker 6: I see that happening in this thing.
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Speaker 5: Because these drugs took her to a whole different level.
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Speaker 5: That took her into a world where she was numb
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Speaker 5: and didn't probably know what was going on to her
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Speaker 5: or going on to her. And then the next day
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Speaker 5: coming to reality and starting to have these text messages
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Speaker 5: and trying to keep light of it because she was
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Speaker 5: afraid of him. Yes, it was a ten year relationship
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Speaker 5: of course it was, but there was a lot of
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Speaker 5: times it was really bad, and she was scared to
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Speaker 5: death to get away from him because of his power,
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Speaker 5: his money, and his connection in the music world.
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Speaker 1: You know, Crispin, it's hard to understand. It's hard for
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Speaker 1: people that haven't lived through it to understand. I was
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Speaker 1: saying earlier today. I worked at the batter Women's Center
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Speaker 1: as a volunteer for nine years at night and prosecuted
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Speaker 1: during the day on the hotline, right, And there were
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Speaker 1: many times I thought, why don't.
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Speaker 3: You just leave?
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Speaker 1: I almost blurted that out, but they had trained me,
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Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that because think about it, Crispin,
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Speaker 1: Think what would you do to hold on to your children,
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Speaker 1: your home, your job.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you've built up a reputation over all the
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Speaker 3: years with the DEA, with the Task.
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Speaker 1: Force, with Department of Justice. What if you were going
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Speaker 1: to lose it all?
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Speaker 3: What would you do? I mean, I would do just
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Speaker 3: about anything to.
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Speaker 1: Keep my twins to hay with everything else, but I
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Speaker 1: would do anything to keep custody of them.
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Speaker 3: But when you're in a position of thinking you're going.
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Speaker 1: To lose everything, And remember she started with him when
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Speaker 1: she was nineteen ish years old and no drugs, no
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Speaker 1: alcohol problem, nothing like that. So fresh faced, right, and
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Speaker 1: you can see over the years what happened. But that's
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Speaker 1: the way these victims think what they're going to lose
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Speaker 1: if they don't go along with it.
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Speaker 5: That's exactly what I said, and that's probably why she
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Speaker 5: started doing all the drugs and that's why she got addicted.
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Speaker 5: And let me tell you what's important about her testimony
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Speaker 5: today about bringing out Jonathan Otis, because that was a
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Speaker 5: statement from I don't hold on me this what twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 5: This wasn't any part of rule thirty five or a
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Speaker 5: five K one in the federal system, meaning I'm to
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Speaker 5: give a statement and tell you something so I can
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Speaker 5: get credit. This was an off the cuff comment during
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Speaker 5: a law enforcement interview where he brings up things he
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Speaker 5: did with Casey and did he that has a lot
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Speaker 5: of credibility. And let me tell you some people in
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Speaker 5: our industry, some of my best witnesses were the worst
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Speaker 5: defendants because they're out there, they're in the field, they're
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Speaker 5: in the mix, they're at these parties, they're doing drugs,
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Speaker 5: but they're a wealth of knowledge. This just came up
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Speaker 5: in an interview. I find a lot of credibility. I
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Speaker 5: like him as a witness and I would put him
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Speaker 5: on the stand.
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Speaker 3: Okay, hold that thought just a moment.
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Speaker 1: Be careful what you ask for. You may surely get
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Speaker 1: it on the stand. Let's take a look at what
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Speaker 1: he's talking about. And all of you ladies out there,
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Speaker 1: I want you to look at Jonathan Odie and think
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Speaker 1: what I willingly have sex with this guy.
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Speaker 3: Think about it.
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Speaker 7: I had sex with Cassie and Sean. Basically he would
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Speaker 7: masturbate and tell me I want to do with Cassie. I
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Speaker 7: had like fifteen encounters and I heard lot of business
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Speaker 7: because what they would do is Sean talks a lot
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Speaker 7: on the on the phone and on the TV with
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Speaker 7: speaking and stuff, and I'll be in there. I was
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Speaker 7: like a sex I don't know with Sean. Okay, and
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Speaker 7: he belongs.
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Speaker 6: To that agenda.
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Speaker 7: That's why he's so famous in Animal the contracts, it's
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Speaker 7: his interneys.
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Speaker 6: My settlement put me in a box.
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Speaker 7: Basically, I couldn't talk because I also be.
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Speaker 6: Sued, so I let it be.
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Speaker 7: But they've been following me, and they've had smart characters,
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Speaker 7: had a FBI on me that's had other other agencies
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Speaker 7: looking at me and spying on me, okay, because they
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Speaker 7: wanted to set me up as an extortionist, like if
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Speaker 7: I was storing shanp or money.
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Speaker 3: Let me go out to a shrink. I need a shrink.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Cheryl Eric joining us a clinical forensics psychologist specializing
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Speaker 1: in trauma recovery, PTSD and more at ask doctor Cheryl
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Speaker 1: dot com.
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Speaker 3: Doctor erld, thank you for being with us. I wanted
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Speaker 3: you to see that Jonathan Odie bite.
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Speaker 1: Okay, because this is back and I'm pretty sure twenty
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Speaker 1: eighteen send me jump in if I've got the wrong date.
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Speaker 3: Look at this guy. So you think this twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Year old girl willingly wants to have sex with this
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Speaker 1: guy on video? Yeah? I don't think so, but I'd
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Speaker 1: like you to respond and everything he says. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: circle back to all the guests on this, but I
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Speaker 1: want to ask.
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Speaker 3: You, doctor Cheryl, what this means.
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Speaker 1: Because everything he was saying in twenty eighteen, nobody believed him.
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Speaker 1: They thought he was a nut, talking about how does
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Speaker 1: gear ghost get up in everything that gear Ghost was
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Speaker 1: after him, that he signed an NDA non disclosure agreement
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Speaker 1: that he couldn't talk about what had happened with Shawn Combs.
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Speaker 3: But he said then that Shawn Combs.
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Speaker 1: Would force him to have sex with Cassie Ventira while
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Speaker 1: comb sat back and masturbated and watched and talked on
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Speaker 1: his phone.
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Speaker 3: He was telling the truth.
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Speaker 8: Recording prosecutors, Yes, and he does seem credible for all
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Speaker 8: the reasons your previous guest said. We need to remember
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Speaker 8: that consent is a free yes, and in order for
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Speaker 8: something to be consent, you have to be also equally
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Speaker 8: able to say no. And if you were not free
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Speaker 8: to say no, it's not a free yes. When we're
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Speaker 8: looking at the video that's being shown.
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Speaker 9: Right after Cassie tried to leave after the fo or
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Speaker 9: the free golf, those beatings, the control with the phone,
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Speaker 9: the control over her career, the control over who she
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Speaker 9: could see, these power and control dynamics, these are what
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Speaker 9: happened when she tried to leave. So this does not
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Speaker 9: look anything like a free yes. And it's interesting that
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Speaker 9: they're not disputing the domestic violence itself, but they're saying
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Speaker 9: that's not what he's charged with. Well, that's because that
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Speaker 9: would be a state charge, and these are federal charges,
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Speaker 9: and the fact of the domestic violence and the video
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Speaker 9: evidence of the domestic violence sure seems to indicate the
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Speaker 9: way that these power and control tactics were enforced. So
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Speaker 9: this was not a free yes. This was not somebody
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Speaker 9: saying yes, I want to do this. And statistically, as
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Speaker 9: you know from working in the battered women shelters, the
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Speaker 9: time that is most dangerous for a battered woman is
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Speaker 9: when she tries to leave, because that's when things get
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Speaker 9: most violent. So a person's life is in most danger
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Speaker 9: when they do try to escape their abuser.
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Speaker 1: State versus Sean Combs in full swing today in the
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Speaker 1: Monahan Federal Courthouse in Manhattan. Joining us outside the courthouse,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin. Lauren, first of all, tell me more about
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Speaker 1: what happened in court today.
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Speaker 4: It was an intense day with Cassie finishing up her
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Speaker 4: cross examination on the stand. What the defense seemed to
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Speaker 4: be doing was really poking holes in quite a few
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Speaker 4: of her statements, really trying to discredit her.
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Speaker 1: Well, I hear what you're saying, Arm, But when you
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Speaker 1: say poking holes in her testimony, you and I may
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Speaker 1: disagree on whether a hole has really been poked in
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Speaker 1: her testimony.
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Speaker 3: So what exactly are you talking about?
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Speaker 4: There was a few instances where we saw text messages
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Speaker 4: between Ditty and Cassie where during direct examination Cassie said
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Speaker 4: one thing. For example, she said that Ditty would force
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Speaker 4: her to do freak offs during her period. During the
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Speaker 4: cross examination, we saw actual multiple text messages with Ditty
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Speaker 4: and Cassie with him asking her when she was getting
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Speaker 4: her period for planning purposes.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Sidney Summer, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: it was my understanding that the specific words were Cassie.
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Speaker 3: In a text that she was ovulating.
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Speaker 2: I believe that's correct. Nancy did naked Cathy permission to
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Speaker 2: set up freaky fun, and her response was limited to
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Speaker 2: one word ovulation. That sounds like a no because she
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Speaker 2: was worried about possible pregnancy while not using condoms.
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Speaker 1: You know another thing, Sidney Sumner, there's a big difference
20:19
Speaker 1: at There's a big difference in saying, hey, let's get
20:24
Speaker 1: together and have a free cough if you're not on
20:27
Speaker 1: your period, as opposed to saying I'm ovulating and then
20:32
Speaker 1: he makes her do it anyway.
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Speaker 3: That's not the same thing.
20:37
Speaker 1: Isn't it true that Cassiev interior testified he would force
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Speaker 1: her to do free coughs with other men, sex workers
20:44
Speaker 1: transported in from other states when she was on her period.
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Speaker 2: That's what she testified to in her direct examination.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, Okay, you know to Brett Brown joining me executive
20:54
Speaker 1: director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong, it's a nonprofit to
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Speaker 1: rat ate trafficking and abuse on girls and women. It
21:04
Speaker 1: seems to me that every way he could embarrass her,
21:07
Speaker 1: every way he could humiliate her or debase her, that's
21:10
Speaker 1: what he did. And yes, I know that she texted
21:14
Speaker 1: back as a willing participant at the beginning of their relationship,
21:20
Speaker 1: when she's a young girl and he's like almost twenty
21:23
Speaker 1: years older than her, orchestrating all this. But so often, Brett,
21:28
Speaker 1: we see the victim going along because they feel like
21:33
Speaker 1: they don't really have a choice.
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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, she absolutely had to go along. It's ludicrous
21:38
Speaker 10: to me that the defense is even using these texts
21:42
Speaker 10: because the reality is this is a man she could
21:44
Speaker 10: never be honest with. So she had to answer every
21:47
Speaker 10: time he texted, and she had to say whatever she
21:49
Speaker 10: could to keep him from beating her.
21:52
Speaker 6: And that's true in her text directly to him.
21:54
Speaker 10: Into his circle around him, he had an army of
21:58
Speaker 10: enablers allowing all of this to take place. If anything
22:02
Speaker 10: stands out to me in her text, she said a
22:04
Speaker 10: few things that one, she needed to feel safe in
22:07
Speaker 10: order to participate in the freak Offs, that the Freakoffs
22:10
Speaker 10: left her feeling grimy, and that the intimacy felt different
22:13
Speaker 10: than when they first started dating, when they were in love,
22:16
Speaker 10: which means that at some point Sean Comne's real personality
22:20
Speaker 10: emerged in this so called relationship and she did not
22:23
Speaker 10: feel safe, she did not feel loved, she felt grimy
22:26
Speaker 10: and used, and then she was beaten for it when
22:27
Speaker 10: she tried to express that. So these exchanges back and
22:31
Speaker 10: forth are not really an accurate depiction of what this
22:35
Speaker 10: relationship is like. I think the most accurate depiction would
22:38
Speaker 10: be the video footage from the hotel.
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Speaker 3: Bet to Lauren Colin at the courthouse.
22:43
Speaker 1: Was there mention of drugs by use by both parties.
22:48
Speaker 4: They really seemed to focus on Cassie's drug use and
22:52
Speaker 4: the fact that she did do drugs quite often without
22:55
Speaker 4: Diddy present, and the defense said things like, well, miss Ventura,
23:00
Speaker 4: isn't it true that mister Holmes wanted you to do
23:03
Speaker 4: less drugs and he was mad when you would do
23:05
Speaker 4: drugs with your friends, and Cassie said, no, he was
23:08
Speaker 4: mad when I would do drugs without him. They also
23:12
Speaker 4: seem to blame or they seem to elude a lot
23:17
Speaker 4: of the blame on his violent behavior due to the
23:20
Speaker 4: fact that he was coming down from opioids or withdrawing
23:23
Speaker 4: from opioids.
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Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, just to moment.
23:27
Speaker 1: They've got a ten million dollar defense team, But don't
23:32
Speaker 1: they know the law about voluntary use with drugs or alcohol?
23:36
Speaker 1: Straight out to a veteran trial lawyer joining us, Eric
23:39
Speaker 1: fattis founding partner Varner fattus elite legal former felony prosecutor. Fattest,
23:46
Speaker 1: voluntary use on drugs or alcohol. It's never a defense.
23:51
Speaker 1: If it were, everybody in the Fulton County Courthouse would
23:55
Speaker 1: walk free by saying, oh, I was high at the time. Sorry,
23:58
Speaker 1: my no, that is not a defense. So arguing that
24:04
Speaker 1: did he acted out? I mean, that's like an adert
24:08
Speaker 1: Sandwich acted out. In other words, beat her committed felonies
24:13
Speaker 1: because he was high or coming down off drugs.
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Speaker 3: That's not going to work under the law. Status.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, I'm surely not a defense to any of
24:21
Speaker 11: these charges. You know, when it comes to crimal defense,
24:24
Speaker 11: you have statutory defenses and you have non statutory defenses,
24:28
Speaker 11: which are just things you defense attorney's kind of come
24:31
Speaker 11: up with that they think is going to mitigate their clients,
24:35
Speaker 11: blame their client's culpability. I think what they were hoping
24:38
Speaker 11: for is to try to suggest to this journey that
24:41
Speaker 11: it wasn't you know, the real didd he who was
24:43
Speaker 11: committing these things. It was some did he who was
24:45
Speaker 11: hopped up and intoxicated on drugs.
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Speaker 6: Does that really excuse his behavior legally?
24:50
Speaker 5: Know?
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Speaker 11: Could it mitigate it in the eyes of some jurors.
24:53
Speaker 11: That remains to be seen.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, everything that you just said is BS because
25:00
Speaker 1: you said that there are statutory defenses, in other words,
25:05
Speaker 1: accepted defenses like it was an accident, it was self defense,
25:09
Speaker 1: it wasn't me. I have an alibi. Those are as
25:12
Speaker 1: you're calling them statutory or accepted defenses that actually work.
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Speaker 3: That's what that means.
25:17
Speaker 1: Then you mentioned something about non statutory defenses. This is
25:22
Speaker 1: where I'm calling BS sonia fattus. Non statutory defenses like
25:27
Speaker 1: this one I tried a homicide. There were two defendants,
25:33
Speaker 1: two defense lawyers ganging up on me, and one of
25:36
Speaker 1: them came up with transferred intent.
25:39
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is that?
25:42
Speaker 1: And he actually argued I was so happy, I tried
25:44
Speaker 1: not to smile. He actually argued to the jury, Yes,
25:48
Speaker 1: I gunned down the victim, but it was the wrong person.
25:52
Speaker 3: I meant to shoot somebody else.
25:53
Speaker 1: I meant to shoot a drug dealer, not a twelve
25:55
Speaker 1: year old boy coming home from band practice. So he
26:00
Speaker 1: admitted he shot somebody down an unarmed person. Okay, is
26:05
Speaker 1: that what you're calling a non statutory defense? In other words,
26:08
Speaker 1: a defense that doesn't work because the law is black
26:11
Speaker 1: and white letter of the law. Voluntary use of drugs
26:15
Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense, you said something about
26:19
Speaker 1: It's just something they make up hoping to mitigate liability
26:24
Speaker 1: or culpability in front of a jury.
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Speaker 3: Did I get that right? Because I'm loving this.
26:28
Speaker 11: Well, there is the letter of the law, and then
26:31
Speaker 11: there are kind of shades of grade that emerged in
26:33
Speaker 11: the practice of law. What I'm talking about are defenses
26:35
Speaker 11: that fall into the category of zealous advocacy that might
26:40
Speaker 11: not be enumerated in some statue. But I think an
26:43
Speaker 11: example of that in this case too, is where defense
26:46
Speaker 11: is saying that Cassie.
26:47
Speaker 6: Was also violent towards Ditty.
26:49
Speaker 11: That's not a defense to sex trafficking, but it is
26:52
Speaker 11: something that the jury might consider in deciding who was
26:55
Speaker 11: to blame here.
26:56
Speaker 3: It looks like control room.
26:58
Speaker 1: I need to show Fattest the Inner Continental Hotel, Cassie
27:01
Speaker 1: beat down again. Fattest, I want you to train your
27:04
Speaker 1: eyes on your monitor. Okay, now, does this look like
27:08
Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira ninety pounds looking wit?
27:10
Speaker 3: Has ow ever been the agressor? Right? Yeah, you're telling
27:18
Speaker 3: me that it is Cassie Venturira.
27:21
Speaker 1: She's the one giving him a good old fashioned booty beating.
27:27
Speaker 1: He's the one taking a whipping right there. Okay, so
27:30
Speaker 1: I should believe you and not Malaian eyes. Is that
27:33
Speaker 1: what you're saying? Did you actually say Cassie Ventira was
27:36
Speaker 1: the violent one?
27:37
Speaker 3: Well, it is not my defense.
27:38
Speaker 11: I think it's what defense attorneys might argue, and it
27:41
Speaker 11: sort of ducktails into them bringing up Cassie being threatening
27:45
Speaker 11: and threatening to kill this guy, which you referenced earlier.
27:49
Speaker 11: I think it's sort of a narrative that defense is
27:51
Speaker 11: trying to run to show that hey, she wasn't this
27:54
Speaker 11: meek little mouse who would just go along with what
27:56
Speaker 11: anybody said. She stood up for herself and surely that
27:59
Speaker 11: that is not an example of that. But defense is
28:02
Speaker 11: saying there are examples of that.
28:04
Speaker 6: He is a vile, greedy abuser.
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Speaker 10: Seawan Colmes controlled every part of her life.
28:09
Speaker 12: He's very much in control.
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Speaker 6: It's like he was a film director. All of that
28:15
Speaker 6: is planned.
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Speaker 12: Puffy plants his life like a movie and he's the
28:19
Speaker 12: director on the stuff.
28:23
Speaker 1: Straw that to Sidney Sumner joining us along with Lauren
28:26
Speaker 1: Collin with the very latest from the courtroom. Sidney Sumner,
28:30
Speaker 1: what else did you learn from the testimony today, Nathy?
28:33
Speaker 2: An interesting part of testimony was listening to a recording
28:38
Speaker 2: of Passy threatening to kill someone who had possibly seen
28:43
Speaker 2: a sexually explicit video of her. Now Casey was talking
28:48
Speaker 2: to a DJ at a party in Atlantic City, New Jersey,
28:52
Speaker 2: and he mentioned that he had seen what she assumed
28:56
Speaker 2: was a freak off tape featuring her. Now she goes
28:59
Speaker 2: in the panic vote, she texts Diddy about it. He's
29:03
Speaker 2: telling her to get as much information as she can.
29:06
Speaker 2: They're trying to put wraps on this without involving their
29:11
Speaker 2: crisis management team because nobody knows about these freak offs.
29:16
Speaker 2: It's just her and Calms allegedly.
29:19
Speaker 1: At least, so every single thing she's ever done or said,
29:22
Speaker 1: the very worst is coming out in court. You know,
29:27
Speaker 1: Robert Crispin. Again, we're not talking about nuns and priests
29:31
Speaker 1: and virgins. That's not who's up on the stand right now. Yes,
29:35
Speaker 1: Cassie is about to give birth to her third child.
29:38
Speaker 3: She's a married lady.
29:40
Speaker 1: But there was a time that she did drugs with
29:43
Speaker 1: Sean Combs and she was in free coughs. She says
29:47
Speaker 1: at his demand. Are you surprised that a woman said,
29:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you if you publicize a video of
29:58
Speaker 1: me and a freak cough with paid sex workers, I
30:01
Speaker 1: Am going to kill you.
30:02
Speaker 3: There will not.
30:03
Speaker 1: Even be a smudge of you left behind.
30:08
Speaker 3: Listen to me. Are you that surprised that she said that.
30:11
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised at all at all, Nancy. This is
30:15
Speaker 5: her reaction to someone who's about to destroy her life.
30:20
Speaker 5: She's never had to deal with this before, and it's
30:22
Speaker 5: a spontaneous utterance to this person about Hey, I'm going
30:28
Speaker 5: to kill you about this tape. She didn't mean that.
30:31
Speaker 5: I doubt she meant that at all. But she's in
30:34
Speaker 5: a world, and this tape's about to go out. It's
30:37
Speaker 5: going to ruin her career. It's going to ruin her
30:39
Speaker 5: singing anything to do with movies.
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Speaker 3: This is a problem for her, and you got to
30:43
Speaker 3: think about it.
30:44
Speaker 1: I mean think about it, doctor Cheryl Eric Joining us
30:47
Speaker 1: clinical forensic psychologist, who put her in that position to
30:51
Speaker 1: start with. I mean, doctor Cheryl, you're so prim and proper.
30:56
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you. Have you ever shot a
30:58
Speaker 1: bird at somebody in traffic?
31:00
Speaker 9: And once I must confess yes, I absolutely have.
31:03
Speaker 3: Okay, I have.
31:04
Speaker 1: What if that person had a video going of you
31:08
Speaker 1: and you had this angry face and you like making
31:11
Speaker 1: an angry face and.
31:12
Speaker 3: You shoot a bird and they get it on video.
31:15
Speaker 1: And threaten to like put it on your wag in
31:17
Speaker 1: your website and publicize it that one moment where you're
31:24
Speaker 1: angry and you react.
31:27
Speaker 3: And here this is getting brought in front of a jury.
31:32
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody's going to going to break at oh.
31:36
Speaker 3: And I get it.
31:37
Speaker 1: The defense has got to try to discredit her, But
31:40
Speaker 1: I really feel for her.
31:41
Speaker 9: I do too. Women are expected to be perfect victims.
31:47
Speaker 9: If women are not perfect when they're being victims, they're
31:50
Speaker 9: not believed they're they're very often there it's mitigating for
31:55
Speaker 9: the perpetrator. And I think what we're seeing here very
31:58
Speaker 9: often our fawning responses. What we're learning is that everybody
32:03
Speaker 9: knows about fight or flight, but one of the other
32:06
Speaker 9: things that the nervous system does to survive a situation
32:10
Speaker 9: is fawn when you can't escape and you have a
32:13
Speaker 9: perpetrator there, and you know if you fought back that
32:16
Speaker 9: things got more violent, which she has testified to wanting
32:21
Speaker 9: to be pleasing, wanting to not make the perpetrator angry,
32:24
Speaker 9: wanting him to see you as human or remember that
32:27
Speaker 9: he cared about you. These are survival responses that the
32:30
Speaker 9: autonomic nervous system does. This is the body saying this
32:34
Speaker 9: is how I'm going.
32:35
Speaker 6: To survive.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Brett Brown joining me executive director, Surviving Assault, Standing Strong.
32:52
Speaker 3: How about both things are true.
32:55
Speaker 1: I'm not claiming that Cassie Ventira is an angel, that
32:59
Speaker 1: she's never done anything wrong.
33:01
Speaker 3: And yes, I think she did threaten that.
33:03
Speaker 1: Person, threatened to kill them if they released a video
33:06
Speaker 1: of her buck naked having sex with paid sex workers.
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Speaker 3: Brought into the jurisdiction by Seawan Combs Yeah.
33:13
Speaker 1: I think she said I'm gonna kill you and then
33:14
Speaker 1: he's gonna kill you all over again.
33:16
Speaker 3: I think that happened. So can that be true?
33:20
Speaker 1: And can it be true that Sean Combs forced her
33:25
Speaker 1: and others? There's gonna be other female victims on the
33:27
Speaker 1: stand to participate in free coughs rapes, transported sex workers
33:34
Speaker 1: in from other states, which is interstate prostitution, which is
33:38
Speaker 1: a federal crime in the indictment, and had a loose
33:42
Speaker 1: federation his cronies that made all this happen, that went
33:46
Speaker 1: to go buy the baby oil, that set up the lighting,
33:49
Speaker 1: that arranged travel for the sex workers.
33:51
Speaker 3: All those people are part of rico.
33:55
Speaker 1: Everybody getting together, even loosely, to make something illegal happen.
33:59
Speaker 3: Right, So can both those things be true? Can she
34:03
Speaker 3: have free to kill somebody and he's guilty?
34:07
Speaker 10: Yes, both of those things definitely are true. And I
34:10
Speaker 10: think we're missing a really important part here when it
34:13
Speaker 10: comes to that video footage in this DJ when she
34:15
Speaker 10: yelled at him and said I'm going to kill you.
34:17
Speaker 10: It's more than just her feelings about being exposed for
34:21
Speaker 10: being a part of these freak offs. Remember who she
34:24
Speaker 10: has to answer to, Sean Combe said, find out as
34:27
Speaker 10: much as you can to stop this from happening. If
34:29
Speaker 10: that video got leaked, guess who was going to pay
34:32
Speaker 10: for it.
34:32
Speaker 6: It wasn't going to be that DJ. It was going
34:34
Speaker 6: to be Cassie Ventura. And she knew that.
34:37
Speaker 10: So when we're talking about her feelings and I really
34:39
Speaker 10: hate using that word in this instance, that was fear.
34:43
Speaker 10: She had to make it stop, and she had to
34:45
Speaker 10: do it convincingly. And where did she learn those threats from.
34:47
Speaker 10: She learned it from somebody who does them very very well. Additionally,
34:52
Speaker 10: it's so fascinating to me, especially when we talk about
34:54
Speaker 10: shades of gray and the law. As was mentioned earlier,
34:58
Speaker 10: this discrediting of the victim. There's this weird cultural thing
35:03
Speaker 10: where by putting up anything she's been a part of, drugs, whatever,
35:08
Speaker 10: that don't make her a perfect person, which none of
35:10
Speaker 10: us are. What they're actually saying is somehow your choices
35:16
Speaker 10: and you're less than perfect moments make it okay for
35:19
Speaker 10: someone to force you and to rape you and to
35:22
Speaker 10: do all of these horrible things.
35:23
Speaker 6: That's what we're actually hearing.
35:25
Speaker 1: We are standing by at the courthouse with the latest
35:27
Speaker 1: to Sydney Sumner, Baby Oil again in the courtroom.
35:32
Speaker 3: Why Nancy.
35:33
Speaker 2: That was brought up again to dispel a few rumors
35:37
Speaker 2: surrounding this case. So Kelsey testifies that drugs were never
35:43
Speaker 2: in the baby oil that was used in the freak offs.
35:46
Speaker 2: The baby oil was not laced with anything. It was
35:49
Speaker 2: just baby oil. Though they did take drugs.
35:52
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, you're telling me there were no drugs in
35:55
Speaker 1: the baby oil.
35:56
Speaker 3: It was just.
35:57
Speaker 1: An old school rape on camera. Okay, that makes it
36:02
Speaker 1: all better. There's still the claims, the allegations and supported
36:07
Speaker 1: by many many female victims that they had a few
36:10
Speaker 1: SIPs of a drink and suddenly they woke up with
36:12
Speaker 1: their vaginas and their rear ends herting because their drinks
36:15
Speaker 1: had been laced with GHB or something akin to gamma
36:18
Speaker 1: hydroxy but rate.
36:19
Speaker 3: But back to the baby oil listen.
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Speaker 13: Cassie says Combs wanted her glistening at all times and
36:25
Speaker 13: had her reapply heated baby oil as often as every
36:28
Speaker 13: five minutes, and during one performance, even made her get
36:32
Speaker 13: into a.
36:32
Speaker 6: Kiddie pool of baby oil.
36:35
Speaker 13: Afterwards, staff members were charged with cleaning up but with
36:38
Speaker 13: baby oil and bodily fluids all over the floors, walls,
36:42
Speaker 13: and door handles.
36:43
Speaker 3: Combs was frequently charged.
36:45
Speaker 13: For damages to hotel rooms, negotiations handled by Comb's assistants.
36:49
Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't end there.
36:52
Speaker 1: Harvey Levin, our friend over at TMZ, got a hold
36:54
Speaker 1: of Agnafello, the lead defense attorney, about baby oil.
36:59
Speaker 14: Listen, they call them freak offs. But you know, back
37:02
Speaker 14: when I was a kid in the late seventies, they
37:05
Speaker 14: were called threesomes.
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Speaker 12: If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a
37:11
Speaker 12: thousand bottles of baby oil?
37:12
Speaker 14: I don't know where the number one thousand.
37:14
Speaker 12: Came, the US attorney said it.
37:16
Speaker 14: I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, you know, and
37:19
Speaker 14: I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to
37:21
Speaker 14: do with anything.
37:22
Speaker 12: They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy. I
37:25
Speaker 12: guess I don't know what you need.
37:26
Speaker 14: A thousand one bottle of baby oil goes a long way.
37:29
Speaker 12: I don't know what you need to need a thousand for.
37:31
Speaker 14: I mean, he has a big house.
37:32
Speaker 12: He buys in bulk. You know.
37:34
Speaker 14: I think they have costcos in every place where he
37:36
Speaker 14: has a home. I mean, have you sat in the
37:38
Speaker 14: parking lot of a costco and see what people walk
37:40
Speaker 14: out of there.
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Speaker 12: With not a thousand bottles of baby oil.
37:42
Speaker 14: I don't think it was a thousand.
37:43
Speaker 3: I think it was.
37:43
Speaker 12: I think it was. Let's just say it's a lot.
37:46
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's references at TMZ.
37:48
Speaker 1: That is the lead defense attorney getting let me just
37:52
Speaker 1: say a rien job from Harvey eleven. Another day, in
37:56
Speaker 1: the Federal courthouse in Manhattan, Shawn Combs on trial and
37:59
Speaker 1: a multi count fed indictment including rico and sex trafficking
38:03
Speaker 1: to Sydney summer.
38:04
Speaker 3: How did Prince Harry?
38:08
Speaker 1: How did he get sucked in to Diddy's cesspool?
38:12
Speaker 2: Well, Nancy, Prince Harry was mentioned right at the beginning
38:15
Speaker 2: of this case exploding. So we saw Kafy filesuit against
38:20
Speaker 2: Seawan Colmes in November of twenty twenty three, and then
38:23
Speaker 2: the next big lawsuit came from Rodney Little Rob Jones.
38:26
Speaker 2: This is a producer that was working with Comb's on
38:30
Speaker 2: his latest album and he filed a seventy three page
38:34
Speaker 2: lawsuit against Sean Holmes. And in that lawsuit he mentioned
38:39
Speaker 2: that Combe's connections to big celebrities and even British Royalty
38:44
Speaker 2: gave him legitimacy so that he could use his parties
38:47
Speaker 2: in his events to cover up crimes like freak off parties.
38:52
Speaker 1: And now Prince Harry love him or hate him, him
38:57
Speaker 1: and his wife Megan and lover or Hayter. At least
38:59
Speaker 1: she's got a job, right, at least she's working.
39:01
Speaker 3: Let's just put that out there. Core documents revealing Prince
39:04
Speaker 3: Harry claimed front.
39:05
Speaker 1: Page stories about him and Ditty had quote hugely negative
39:09
Speaker 1: impact on his mental health and that of his wife
39:13
Speaker 1: and children. Who wants to be on the front page
39:15
Speaker 1: of a magazine.
39:16
Speaker 3: With Ditty at a party? I don't so.
39:19
Speaker 1: Now Ditty has sucked Prince Harry into his sex trafficking
39:25
Speaker 1: claim cesspool this as Justin Bieber makes a bombshell announcement
39:31
Speaker 1: after a lot of speculation he had been abused by
39:34
Speaker 1: Shawn Combs. He comes out and says, no, I was
39:38
Speaker 1: never abused by Sean Combs.
39:42
Speaker 3: What else did he say? Sidney Sumner?
39:44
Speaker 2: Justin acknowledged that many people maybe were victimized by Ditty
39:48
Speaker 2: and they deserve justice. But Justin says he never even
39:52
Speaker 2: really had a relationship with Combs. All of the videos
39:55
Speaker 2: that we've seen of him appearing with Combs were basically performances,
40:00
Speaker 2: and he really only had a relationship with Combe's children,
40:03
Speaker 2: Quincy and Justin.
40:05
Speaker 3: You know, Crispin.
40:07
Speaker 1: Second verse, same as the first, Nothing new under the sun.
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Speaker 1: Once again, an alleged rape victim is being dragged through
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Speaker 1: the mud.
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Speaker 3: Same thing. It happens every time, Crispin. Don't you ever
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Speaker 3: get tired of it?
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Speaker 5: Sadly, it happens all the time from these defense attorneys,
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Speaker 5: and they try to turn the jury against the victim
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Speaker 5: to make the victim look like the bad person. I
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Speaker 5: don't think it's going to work in this, I really don't.
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Speaker 5: I think every single one of these questions that are
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Speaker 5: going to her right now from the defense is turning
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Speaker 5: off the jury. It really is.
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Speaker 6: She is a true victim.
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Speaker 5: I feel horrible for her, and I think the jury's
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Speaker 5: going to start seeing through it as each of these
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Speaker 5: other additional victims come forward. You're going to see a pattern.
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Speaker 5: Everybody has a pattern, and I think it's all laying
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Speaker 5: out right now. But yeah, jury, they're gonna make their
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Speaker 5: own determination.
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Speaker 12: Trust me.
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Speaker 3: I can only pray.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,