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It's An Alternative Religious Cult | Andy Rouse · Ryder Lee

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  Welcome back to Raised by Giants Live discussion. Welcome everyone in the chat,
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  get to see you guys and any moderators out there and or channel members.
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  Today we have returning guests Andy Rouse from the Deep Share here with us to
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  talk about what he believes is going on with the community and this merging of
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  the mainstream with conspiracy and truther communities. But before I bring him on,
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  those bonus episodes. So with that down, joining us today, Andy Rouse
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  from the Deep Shared podcast. How's it going, Andy, It's good to
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  see you, my friend. Yeah, great to be here, man,
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  good to see you again. Yeah, you had a little hiatus from the
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  podcasting world, which I completely understand, bro should get so overwhelming at times.
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  If you don't have the excitement behind it anymore, then you lack the
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  motivation to do it right. It becomes less and less. But I'm excited
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  that your here. We got a lot to talk about in it seems like
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  we're really seeing this merging of the alternative community with mainstream media and a lot
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  of things that are getting wrapped up into that amazing conspiracy burrito. And some
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  are happy about it, and others are kind of like, what's going on?
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  You know? Some see it as like a declaration that they've been right
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  the entire time and everything they've been talking about is right, which could be
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  further from the truth. What do you see is going on here? Well,
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  I mean everything you said I would agree with for sure. I've been
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  researching for the past couple of years into kind of the roots of the world
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  we see today from many different angles, you know, And what I keep
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  coming back to it's kind of hard to ignore, but we do quite often,
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  is how the counterculture itself in this country came to be, really and
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  it was all manufactured. When you look into it, and when you have
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  that kind of hanging in the backdrop at all times where there's really no gap.
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  I mean, you can research every decade and there's something to be said
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  about control of both sides, you know, the mainstream and the alternative or
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  counter culture, whatever you'd want to call it. It's kind of been a
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  double edged sword for as long as we can look back into and it's really
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  troubling when you have that constantly in the background of your mind while trying to
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  not necessarily trust or not trust certain individuals. It's more about the content and
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  the narratives being woven on one side or the other. The more I spend
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  time in this kind of counterculture, I guess you could say, the more
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  it resembles the mainstream anyway, where massive, large assumptions held by large groups
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  will rise to the top, regardless of the you know, validity or the
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  focus on detail that the narrative has. It's you know, we are in
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  the world of we are awake, we want to know the truth. We
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  question everything now and everything we grew up with was a lie, So it
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  can't be anything close to what we grew up with. It has to be
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  basically the total opposite, and that it just yeah, that's a big problem.
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  Yeah, I've been seeing for a long time now that this community,
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  not specifically my community or my listeners or the people that are listening to the
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  show right now, but the community as a whole in general. The conspiracy
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  community, the alternative community, the what you're calling this counter culture type of
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  community is just the mainstream media for a different group of people that don't buy
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  into the official narrative. And it's important what you bring up there is if
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  you don't have all the puzzle pieces to the puzzle, the best you can
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  do is come to an educated guess right. It's like train someone in the
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  court of law with nothing but eyewitness testimony. It's very difficult to do,
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  and many lawyers won't even take it to trial or take it to court because
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  there's no evidence. And that's what a lot of the community is based upon,
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  is zero evidence. They don't have all the pieces to the puzzle,
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  so therefore they can't see the full picture and end up connecting thoughts that aren't
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  there or forcing things to fit where they don't fit. That's yeah, and
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  would I would also I would also say that there's a lot of things out
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  there that are definitely made to look like they fit, you know what I
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  mean, that's the whole point. If the counterculture is controlled, then it's
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  got to be efficiently controlled, right. They can't just sell us on shit
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  we don't already want and need and feel we lack, And so they do
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  that to the mainstream, but they do that to the alternative side as well.
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  Well. Yeah, just when you look back at the entire UFO narrative
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  and Paul Benowitz and all that stuff that came up out of the Paul Benowitz
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  cases, the exact same things that are being regrigitated within this community when it
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  comes to extraterrestrials and UFOs and alien involvement, it's the same thing. And
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  Richard Dodi has stated on records several times that he was in charge of the
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  disinformation misinformation directly to the UFO community. He was giving them fake documents,
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  fake things that were not real, to confuse people, to make them believe
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  what they wanted them to believe. And that's just one section of the community.
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  That's just ufology. Now you're telling me that that didn't happen with everything
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  else, tell me that none of this other stuff is was also done the
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  exact same way, And I know we've talked about this before, you know,
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  along all those different genres and topics that we could get into. I
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  absolutely don't think the mainstream narrative is accurate either. I'm not defending that by
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  any means, but because there is some sort of precious truth that could spill
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  out, I think there's a lot of safeguards in place. I mean,
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  that's how serious it seems to be. If there is some sort of actual
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  conspiracy that's been going on for generations, if that is true, if that
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  is possible, then there's so many safeguards we can't even imagine. And the
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  main reason why we can't imagine is because we really don't know the motive.
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  We can say it's greed and money, but we're describing a group that would
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  be beyond the need for those feelings like greed, would almost be rooted out
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  entirely because of their abundance. Right, all those basic human ideas that we
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  latch onto. This gigantic secret power kind of it just falls apart because it's
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  just very much like how we all would react to things, you know,
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  not the way these people of massive privilege would. Well, if you were
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  to relate that back to you know, medieval times and like kings and queens,
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  why were they putting out distractions? You know, why were they building
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  these coliseums for people to fight each other and kill each other and basically creating
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  a sport that is verbatim exactly what we do today with football stadiums, baseball
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  stadiums, soccer stadiums and all that it serves as like a distraction. Because
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  if there's not a distraction and people don't have their mind occupied on something else,
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  then come in and overthrow that, right, They overthrow the king,
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  they overthrow the queen. You know, idle hands are the devil's playground,
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  right, And that also gets into you know, we're just talking to Trey
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  Hudson the other day and we were talking about this, you know, this
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  utopian reality. And I really don't think that we can ever get to a
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  utopian reality because people, there's always going to be somebody that comes in that
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  wants to screw everything up for everyone when people are bored, when people are
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  tired of doing the same thing over and over again. Even if everything is
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  wonderful and beautiful and everyone's taken care of and everyone's equal and all this this
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  this golden age of humanity. Eventually, someone at some point is going to
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  want to instill chaos. Yeah, perhaps chaos or even just you know,
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  you can take it down a notch and call it sell. You know,
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  that could be selfish desires as well. You know, the ego comes into
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  it no matter what you do. Like power corrupts absolute, power corrupt absolutely,
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  And that kind of starts with the uh, you know, meeting one's
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  desires whether they deserve them or not. You know, the causing chaos is
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  definitely thinking more globally for sure. I think that comes next. That's like
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  the next phase out. You know, I've been really focused on how these
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  people hype of, you know, quote unquote this group would have gotten to
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  this place cognitively over time, you know, and it seems like it is
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  the group that must have reacted to some major global trauma that we all experienced
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  in a much harsher way than the rest of us or something. If it
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  wasn't some group of quote unquote gods surviving the flood and all that, you
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  know, it seems like damage done psychologically, you know, causes the haves
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  and the haves not have nots, And yeah, global chaos catastrophe and things
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  like that. I really do believe there's you know, as we've talked about
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  before, there's always a very down to earth human explanation for why things are
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  going on the way they are and why this supposed possible cabal might be the
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  way they are. You know. Of course people point to reptiliy and they're
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  not human. They can't be human. It's too hard to think of them
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  as human, you know, maybe because of the idea of them having absolute
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  power for this long or being this cold and anti human. Who knows.
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  But it's again it goes back to not having the real motive. We just
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  make guesses, and again there's a lot of things in place for us to
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  snatch up and go ooh, this one sounds right. Yeah, And then
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  you know, when you don't have all the information, like what you're saying,
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  you don't really have the motive. We can only theorize and have a
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  speculatory conversation about what that motive is. But it seems like whenever you if
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  you were to try and put yourself in their shoes, it would seemed like
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  that they're either doing this for fun, they're just kind of messing with people.
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  I mean, think about it if you legitimately ran the world like what
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  you would want to have fun doing it, right, Perhaps that's probably what
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  I would do. I would still feel like it's more of a situation where
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  crimes are being covered up, you know, and a lot of the stuff
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  that you and I specifically get into, we're talking about basically narratives that obfuscate
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  real human beings, real bloodlines. Perhaps of doing things in the past and
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  carrying on legacies into the present in the future. That would be one hell
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  of a possible motive for not wanting, you know, these things to get
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  out, another way to keep us down and dumb and all this to purposely
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  forget our history and keep us where we are, you know what I mean.
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  Well, yeah, and when you think about it, is like how
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  long is this technology and this stuff going to last? I mean, the
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  things that we were using to decades ago are no longer relevant, right,
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  The UFOs of the sixties are long gone. Yeah, they're no longer a
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  thing anymore. They're not disk, which they never were disk, They never
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  were saucers. You know. That was a misquote and a misidentification by the
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  publicists that published Kenneth Arnold's story in nineteen forty seven. You know, so
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  it's when you track back a lot of the stuff, and again, when
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  you don't have all the information, you're forced to create the information and relate
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  it to other bits of information that may or may not be connected. You
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  know, this is really I see it as a plot of destabilization. Oh
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  yeah. If you confuse the public on what it is that they're supposed to
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  believe, then none of them will ever come together and agree upon anything.
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  And that's right where these manipulators want us. And I guarantee you Andy,
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  they all sit back and they just laugh. They let this always happen because
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  it serves their best interest to let it continue. Oh absolutely. And when
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  I bring up you know, ancient history, and they're you know, this
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  group's possible connection to it that can exist simultaneously while not, you know,
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  not alongside this other motive that's more modern, you know, that's more personal,
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  less attached to the past. At this point, if there's bloodlines running
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  the world, I'm pretty sure ninety percent of those families don't know they're running
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  the world in that way anyway. You know, they know that they're probably
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  in charge of policy, or they sway the market here and there, But
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  like they don't under they a lot of them probably don't understand their lineage.
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  You know, if it is true, you know, if it does go
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  back as far as they claim some of them anyway. But yeah, and
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  the one thing that to what you were saying before, you know, you
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  know, a destabilization tactic. The most important thing to harness us with is
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  our big questions where we come from, where are we going? What are
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  we here for? Who are we those questions? I don't know if it's
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  true or not, But the way I look at it is religion was that
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  a long time ago, and now we've kind of moved. We're into this
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  this era where religion doesn't cut it for the vast majority, at least not
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  the way it used to. But both methods work perfectly. It's the same
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  thing when you can step back, like, honestly, let's use the hypothetical
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  of aliens coming here, real aliens coming here. I think they would make
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  some interesting observations about our beliefs, and I don't think they would make many
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  distinctions between Jesus, the New Age, the Old Age, Aliens, interdimensional
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  demons, gin fairies, elves. They would take in all of this content,
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  and one side of it would be okay, this is very much allegory
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  for conscious experiences going on and the idea of entities. In my opinion,
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  especially when it comes to psychedelics or meditation or anything like that, those are
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  unrealized aspects of the subconscious. And I've always felt that way, just from
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  my own personal experiences but also having it verified so thoroughly by Eastern mysticism that
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  most of the New Age just rips to shreds and picks out the fun parts,
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  you know, it doesn't talk about the disillusion of self and all that.
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  Yeah, I'm kind of getting off track here, but yeah, no,
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  that makes one hundred percent sense and taking I've always really felt that way
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  too, that when people say that they contact, especially on some kind of
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  hallucinogenic or some kind of drug, they're actually just going within their own subconscious
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  and those entities are manifesting within them because they are a part of you.
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  Then that gets into you know, the types of programming that we have of
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  what these entities may or may not look like. Our mind could be creating
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  them depending on the times that we're in. We also have like a very
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  small percentage of the population on talk shows of all kinds way bigger than ours,
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  basically framing this and giving people the shapes they want to sell and the
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  words they want to sell. You know, they these you know, we
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  got the Blue Aliens, the Blue Avians, all these kinds of things that
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  are like again, they're becoming these big, dumb narratives that are acting as
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  as like flags being planted in the ground, as if we've figured this part
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  of it out. You know. When it comes to the UFO community,
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  Yeah, they latch onto this stuff as if it's basically fact at this point.
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  You know, I think if most of them would hear some crazy stories
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  from ufology, they may disregard a few of them, but in the back
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  of their mind, they're going, well, I know there's definitely at least
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  like twenty species out there. They have a baseline belief system going on now.
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  And yeah, relating it back to the community at large, Yeah,
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  conspiracy theorists do too. You know, you say, the Nephilim, there's
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  one story in mind, right, I mean, how many different stories When
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  you see any viral video pop up about Nephilim, you know exactly what they're
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  about to say. You know, they're going to talk about giants. They're
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  going to talk about interdimensional creatures like coming in like suckuby and raping human women.
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  They're going to talk about these big, fantastical stories, and that's the
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  only narrative you get. Meanwhile, there's rich anthropological data from hundreds of years
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  ago talking about these same stories without any sort of supernatural or extraterrestrial context whatsoever.
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  From England and Ireland to the Persian Gulf to the Far East, all
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  of our mythological anything has human roots to it first. So with that,
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  even as just a theory, the fact that we barely look at that at
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  all in this community is extremely upsetting because I mean, we don't have to
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  always rely on Okham's razor and oh the simplest answer is always the right one,
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  and a lot of times it is, though, And to disregard humans
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  in these situations, even evil ones that may want to be covering themselves up
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  one way or the other, it's still distracting from the absolute core, which
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  is us and that's literally the center of any conspiracy. Oh, they're distracting
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  us from our power, from our own self worth. Well, this would
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  be the big Tamali in my opinion, I agree, and I think that
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  that comes from this, I thought an idea that people don't want to believe
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  that we're the only beings in the universe. It goes back to that lack
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  of responsibility. We are an infantilized species. Yeah, so therefore they anything
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  that can't be directly tied to human involvement, they've put the stamp of extraterrestrials.
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  Well, we don't know how the Great Pyramids were built. No one
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  can build it now, so it had to have been extraterrestrials. Right,
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  That's done in many different ways. They do that literally all the time.
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  I mean, that's what the whole thing. But the community is kind of
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  shifting, especially when it comes to ufology, which I've been calling this for
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  a really long time, because people are tired of the extra I think they're
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  really getting tired of the extraterrestrial hypothesis because one, there's no evidence, there's
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  no proof for it, that we don't have any No one's ever met a
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  physical alien that you can walk out and shake their hand. It's never happened
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  before ever, so and I think people are starting to realize that this isn't
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  true. So now they have to kind of turn it into something that has
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  been talked about before, but it hasn't put a lot of credence into,
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  which is the cryptoterrestrial theory that they're from here, they've always been here,
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  they live here, they're beneath the oceans, they're in some mountain in Peru
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  or wherever in the forest tree areas, and they have these bases and they
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  live here. Yeah. Have you seen that new clip of the the native
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  tribes being talked told the word alien for the first time, But then they
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  see pictures of like depictions of grays and they're like, oh, we know
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  them. Oh yeah, it's from our mythology, and oh they're from underground
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  everything. I'm like, how would you pay these guys? But like,
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  also it doesn't even matter because that's what they've been hearing from their ancestors for
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  hundreds of years and thousands of years. So be it again, Like we're
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  getting closer and closer, as you say, it's falling apart, the narratives
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  falling apart, and which direction is it going. It's going more and more
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  towards humans. And the thing is, I think it's not to try to
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  turn the conversation too much, but we have a problem with our skeptics out
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  there too, especially our bigger ones, making more noise and getting more attention
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  because they think nothing's going on. You know, they don't look into history
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  like we do. They don't care about that. They unfortunately a lot of
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  them just care about clicks just like anybody else. They want those, you
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  know, the same the opposite. They don't want the believers, they want
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  the skeptics all following them and just saying everything in the sky is boca,
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  none of it's real. These are the people that would most of a lot
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  of them would talk to us like we're crazy because we didn't get vaccinated,
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  or we're crazy because we think JFK got whatever. These are the same people
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  that don't consider themselves skeptics towards power or authority by any means. They literally
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  abide by the social expert to a t, just like the mainstream. Once
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  again, and we have that element in there too, the Mick Wests of
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  the world, you know, and all of his copycats on Twitter. You
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  know, they make good points and they help us with this one topic.
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  But outside of that purview, they they're very very limited, so they're not
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  going to be very open minded when it really counts. I don't know,
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  man, I see this kind of just picking up and just gaining ground.
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  And now maybe there's more critical thinking people than I think there are out there,
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  and I'm being, you know, too dismissive. But with Billy Carson
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  just going ongan as I was predicting back in February and before that, that
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  would inevitably happen. Someone would have to be on Rogan sooner or later to
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  really tie in those catchy things about Sitchen and the Onunaki and our ancient past,
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  because, as I've been saying for a long time, the modern disclosure
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  and the ancient alien shit is absolutely colliding on purpose. It's not just the
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  whack jobs talking about paper machet mummies in Congress. These are the same guys
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  that will absolutely not only entertain but push these ancient alien ideas. Now,
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  with what I study about history, I'm not looking at ancient mythology like,
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  oh, there used to be fucking monsters everywhere. These are allegories for human
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  cultures that have been covered up by the same people that gave us gods.
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  We're getting aliens by the same people that turned you know, words like dragon
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  and elf and fairy into magical little creatures, but they previously meant humans.
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  These are the same people that are giving us aliens and interdimensional beings and now
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  crypto terrestrials where they're aliens but they're disguised as humans. Oh no, no,
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  they look just like us and you couldn't tell. Most of them are
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  tall and blonde. They're all aliens though they're just pretending to be human.
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  Like. It's getting real close and there's really not much of a way out
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  of it. At one point or another. Well, that's the next logical
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  step when everything starts to fall apart, because you can't verify that any of
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  these into these really are aliens if they look identically like us. And there
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  has been a there's been like a weird thing where a lot of this stuff
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  wasn't accepted for a really long time, and then all of a sudden,
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  the flood gates just kind of opened up, and then all of a sudden
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  it became accepted. Now, Yah, I blame Joe Rogan. Well,
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  it's I don't know. I have a different thought and a different opinion on
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  you know, on Joe Rogan. Here's here's the deal, right, You're
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  only allowed to have dissenting opinions on any given topic if no one listens to
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  you otherwise you kind of have to toe the line. And there was a
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  point where Rogan was really afraid, and that was during COVID and you could
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  tell he was scared when he moved from LA to Texas. One of those
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  first episodes I remember him doing, he had this guy on that was talking
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  about how the new financial system was going to work and how this social credit
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  score system was going to work, and Rogan didn't want to have anything to
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  do with it, right. He just talking about cars and stuff the entire
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  time. Uh. And at one point the guests was like, man,
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  Rogan, you you obviously don't want to talk about this. Maybe we can,
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  you know, pick back up on this later. But I really do
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  think he did something to really piss people off, right, And probably that
• 27:19
  was a move to Texas. Uh. That was probably the first straw breaking
• 27:23
  away from LA and where everyone was. And then that breakaway from YouTube,
• 27:29
  right was the next thing. And then all the other stuff that followed behind
• 27:33
  that that I'm not going to get into it because of nonsense, but in
• 27:38
  a way, he won, but he won silently right in his back on
• 27:44
  YouTube. Now, there may be a few reasons for this. Either they
• 27:48
  either YouTube realized that the numbers weren't weren't up and far less people were watching
• 27:55
  and listening. Now, I don't mind Rogan, I actually like him,
• 27:59
  and with out Rogan paving the way, none of us would really be here.
• 28:03
  Right. You pretty much started the entire podcasting world and deserves credit,
• 28:10
  regardless if you like him or not. And if you were the one that
• 28:15
  pretty much started something, you would expect to be at the top. I'm
• 28:19
  sure I would. I would if I started podcasting, I would expect to
• 28:23
  be right up there. I would expect to have gotten that giant Spotify deal
• 28:27
  of ten million dollars or whatever it is that oh yeah, And that's the
• 28:33
  goal, right, The goal of doing this kind of work, on one
• 28:37
  hand, is to expand and to have more and more people listening to you.
• 28:45
  Sure on the other hand is to also put like, also have integrity
• 28:49
  and have honor with the things that you're talking about and trying to bring on
• 28:53
  good guests, to have a really good conversation within. And I would totally
• 29:00
  agree with you on all of that too, I really I think there's a
• 29:06
  lot more useful idiots out there or scared compromise people than bad guys rubbing their
• 29:11
  fingers together and cackling. You know, I think controlled opposition is a very
• 29:15
  loaded term. We use it a lot. I use it a lot.
• 29:19
  But you know, when we say paving the way, you know, sure
• 29:25
  podcasting is great and all that, it depends on what scale you're looking at
• 29:27
  it, right, I mean this alternative you know the advertisements for the episode,
• 29:34
  right, we call it like an alternative religious cult. And if it
• 29:40
  is that someone had to pave the way for it, and someone had to
• 29:45
  be that good guy. And I do think Rogan's a pretty good guy.
• 29:48
  He seems like a good family guy who knows maybe not maybe he's pure evil
• 29:52
  behind the scenes. We'll never know. That's another thing. We have all
• 29:56
  these guesses, right, But what I do know is what what has happened
• 30:00
  because of him and what he is either purposely or unintentionally doing. Watching not
• 30:07
  only Billy Carson recently, but even years ago, when we were talking about
• 30:12
  how all of a sudden this got popular, this became a big topic.
• 30:18
  It's when Bob Blazaarre and Jeremy the haircr Bell was on his show in twenty
• 30:22
  sixteen. I mean that was the earliest thing. And I remember Bob Blazarre
• 30:26
  from when I was younger and going, holy shit, he's on Rogan now,
• 30:30
  and this was you know, I was so into the UFO topic at
• 30:33
  the time innocently that I was really excited about that, you know. And
• 30:38
  then he started tying it into ancient aliens right in that episode too, you
• 30:42
  know, Bob says he, you know, one of the craft may have
• 30:45
  been from an archaeological dig, and it was like, oh, that's just
• 30:48
  the little taste that they had to drop in in twenty sixteen. But look
• 30:53
  at where that's progressed to. It's so much kind of a throwaway line too.
• 31:00
  I really recognize that because that's where it's kind of heading. And the
• 31:06
  crash retrieval stuff is a double edged sword, right see. People think that
• 31:11
  a crash retrieval means that it happened in modern times, or someone seeing the
• 31:15
  craft fall out of the sky and then they saw it on radar and then
• 31:18
  they went to where it was, or a different country called them to go
• 31:21
  and figure out where this craft is and then take it back to the United
• 31:25
  States to reverse engineer it and all that well, that doesn't have to be
• 31:27
  the case. It could literally be an archaeological find that would still be considered
• 31:33
  a crash retrieval. Doesn't matter how much time has passed in between the craft
• 31:37
  crashing and you finding the craft, it's still a crash retrieval, but really
• 31:41
  quickly. Galactic Federation of Light, thank you for your generosity and sending in
• 31:47
  that two dollars supersticker, super chap. I appreciates you a lot and love
• 31:52
  the name Glack Defederation of Light. Love Light. Yeah, the of Light
• 31:59
  really makes a different what happened to the regular Galactic Federation? They just don't
• 32:06
  exist. It's some version of space force that never probably took off. But
• 32:15
  like you know, man, we could go in so many different directions with
• 32:17
  this topic too, because it really does connect to the whole picture of what's
• 32:22
  going on. But then there's so many different little pieces. And you know,
• 32:29
  growing up, I had a lot of I had friends that like,
• 32:30
  were never part of the same group of friends. I had a lot of
• 32:35
  different personalities floating around, and I it seems I had the same interests outwards
• 32:39
  in the world, and I'm I look at the psychedelic groups, I look
• 32:43
  at all the people obsessed with consciousness, and you know that leaks into neuroscience
• 32:47
  and quantum physics, like all these different fields of interest all linked together in
• 32:53
  one way or the other. And when I started to really reconsider the alien
• 33:00
  idea, not only in modern times but mostly in the ancient world, when
• 33:04
  I really felt like that was a syop of some sort. I never knew
• 33:07
  what it was a syop for. I used to watch ancient Aliens and I'd
• 33:12
  remove the aliens part when they would talk about it, like remove the conclusion,
• 33:15
  and I'd go, man, did mushrooms do this to us? Like
• 33:19
  did that's you know, just like Terence McKenna talks about did it accelerate our
• 33:25
  evolution or something? Our mushrooms from outer space? You know. I would
• 33:30
  try to input some other method of this or some other reason for it than
• 33:35
  aliens, And eventually I came around to the idea that it was probably just
• 33:39
  humans being talked about or whatever. But the all these different factions of thought
• 33:45
  exist today in this alternative world, and we're all kind of being culled towards
• 33:51
  the same pen. Whether you're into Judeo Christianity or you're you know, into
• 33:58
  Eastern mysticism or or New Age or occultism, witchcraft. All of it are
• 34:06
  aliens, you know, none of it. Doesn't matter which topic you're into.
• 34:09
  It seems like all the sheep dog dogs are corralling us towards the same
• 34:15
  pen. You look at interviews like Tucker Carlson on Rogan, it's just the
• 34:21
  perfect symmetry of oh, yeah, these angelic, demonic aliens. It's spiritual
• 34:27
  in nature, obviously, and it's being presented as fact just as much as
• 34:32
  anything else in this community. It's being presented as well, I know a
• 34:36
  guy that knows things and knows people, and this is what I found out
• 34:39
  from him, you know, And that's exactly how Tucker presents it. It's
• 34:44
  how so many people in this industry present these things. And it's just,
• 34:49
  yeah, it's really upsetting. Yeah, the overlap between religious for the lack
• 34:55
  of a better word, propaganda when it surrounds these type of thing things in
• 35:00
  the community, because they have to be able to explain some of this stuff
• 35:07
  from a church perspective, just like the Vatican coming out with that document on
• 35:10
  the apparitions document here recently in the paranormal and the Rules and the Guidelines of
• 35:16
  actually identifying if a phenomenon is of a religious nature or not. That's to
• 35:22
  wrap in some sort of new generation of people because religion has really been going
• 35:28
  downhill. The churches have not been filling up as much as they were previously.
• 35:35
  And yeah, they have to try and capture some of those people.
• 35:37
  And the UFO and the alien topic is really big at the moment. So
• 35:42
  the best way to do that is saying, oh, well, the Pope
• 35:44
  said that if an extraterrestrial lands that he would baptize the alien right. They
• 35:49
  got to tie them in. They have to tie in every group, and
• 35:52
  it seems like it's working. I mean, you talk to psychedelic people.
• 35:57
  They think that they're they're very open to the un idea and all this disclosure
• 36:01
  going on, even if their heads aren't in it. You know, they're
• 36:05
  doing other things. They're more interested in consciousness. But that's where they're linking
• 36:09
  it, because that's what people like Luella Zonda are doing when they give these
• 36:14
  impassioned speeches to their followers. Mainstream catches on. Everybody catches onto these little
• 36:20
  topics and listening to that guy talk about we're gonna have to record, we
• 36:23
  have to reanalyze our whole lives and you know, figure out what everything means
• 36:29
  to us. Again, all that kind of talk is gonna turn those kind
• 36:32
  of open minded people on and they go wow, whoa, Oh my god.
• 36:37
  Maybe McKenna was right, like even if he was an FBI informant well,
• 36:43
  and a lot of the stories and thoughts and ideas and theories that we
• 36:46
  have around extraterrestrials is nothing new. I mean, it's it's the same thing
• 36:52
  that's been regurgitated for a really long time. Like I was talking about with
• 36:57
  the New Age Community and the called of I Am in their early thirties with
• 37:00
  Guy and the Ballad. Pretty much everything from the New Age Community that is
• 37:05
  being popularized today came from that cult. The names have just changed and turned
• 37:09
  into something different. And then you get into Charles Fort from the early twenties
• 37:15
  and into the late twenties, everything that he was seeing and all the thoughts
• 37:22
  and ideas and theories that he had about what extra treasturals. He was one
• 37:24
  of the first people that started talking about that thought and idea that they were
• 37:34
  among us, that they were already here, you know. And then you
• 37:37
  have like people like Jeremy Corbell and George Napp and these other people that are
• 37:40
  just regurgitating those same thoughts and those same opinions. It's all been done before.
• 37:46
  But when things start getting exposed and there's no proof and no evidence behind
• 37:52
  one of these thoughts and theories, they just switch on to the next.
• 37:54
  And I guarantee you that in if we're still here and ten to twenty years
• 38:00
  and we're still doing this type of show, it'll have bounced back the other
• 38:06
  direction. Perhaps. Yeah, I'm very curious to see how this pans out,
• 38:10
  whether it gets bigger and more addicting and you know, more brainwashing or
• 38:15
  less. You know, it's it's confounding because it touches so many different aspects
• 38:22
  of this community. You know, I get into like the more mythological and
• 38:27
  folklore side of things in ancient history, and it's all linked up with this
• 38:30
  Ananaki from the Persian Gulf. You know. Wherever you go in the world,
• 38:35
  of course, you have these interconnected cultures that may have existed all around
• 38:38
  the world. And again people refuse to accept that it could be humans that
• 38:45
  were there doing it. It has to be something better than us. And
• 38:51
  I think that's the biggest problem with it is that it's always, whether it's
• 38:55
  gods or aliens, it always has to be something bigger and has to be
• 39:00
  some sort of person. And when we tie it to the phenomenon of consciousness
• 39:05
  and the real mysteries of reality and self and all these different things that even
• 39:10
  mystics from thousands of years ago were only able to use metaphors to describe.
• 39:15
  Now we're putting very physical, material names and ideologies around them, and it's
• 39:22
  very, Uh, it's hard not to look at it other than a massive
• 39:27
  sigh up against I don't know, I guess you could. In my wildest
• 39:32
  ideas, it's like the secret societies maybe do know something more than that we
• 39:37
  think they do, or something like that, and they are keeping the lid
• 39:42
  on something massive, but I don't know what exactly. Well, people really
• 39:46
  got into this community, especially the New Agers and the Spiritual List, started
• 39:55
  drifting outside of religion because they were dissolute with religion. Yeah, now what
• 40:04
  happens those seen people when they get disillusioned with the New Age, they seem
• 40:12
  to be all being enticed to go back the other way. My favorite point
• 40:16
  to make, and I've been saying it for like a good year and a
• 40:20
  half and now it's just like whack them all. They're everywhere. Every celebrity
• 40:24
  that comes out as red pilled basically has to be Christian. Is almost zero
• 40:32
  celebrities a list, B list, whatever you want to call it, that
• 40:37
  are fighting the man and talking all this stuff that we're talking that are not
• 40:43
  diehard Christians, either always or now suddenly Fucking Rob Schneider he just got baptized
• 40:50
  or whatever, he became Catholic, Russell brand that guy. People don't realize.
• 40:58
  They're just kind of pulling different in parts of the culture towards this center
• 41:02
  in every way they can. And I'm not saying these people are Maybe they're
• 41:07
  enticed, maybe they're paid. I don't know what the deal is. But
• 41:12
  it's hard not to look at it as a massive conspiracy because it looks as
• 41:15
  though it's all one massive moving part. You know, you got the New
• 41:20
  Age covered, You've got the religious side covered, and this alien question really
• 41:25
  centers it all. I mean, we have this new church being built somewhere
• 41:30
  in the world, right or it's already been built to merge all the religions
• 41:34
  together, at least the Western religions. Yeah, that's it's got one world
• 41:39
  government written all over it. It's got this alien narrative written all over it.
• 41:44
  It's I don't know, it's so obvious when you really look at it.
• 41:47
  Yeah, that's the one world religion that everyone's been talking about. And
• 41:52
  if you watch that new Exorcist movie, that's pretty much how when they brought
• 42:00
  priests and all these different people from all the other different legis and all come
• 42:07
  together to exercise this girl that was possessed and it's gone. It goes all
• 42:12
  the way back to that show Lost. I loved Lost. I watched that
• 42:15
  all the way through. Man, it was such a fun as you see
• 42:17
  thriller type show. And at the very end of it all they are all
• 42:22
  together in this massive cathedral with like every sacred symbol from all around the world
• 42:29
  all presented right there as some sort of beyond life situation. And that's great.
• 42:34
  I think again, the bad guys can only manipulate and get us with
• 42:40
  things that are at the roots true. You know, yes, we are
• 42:45
  all one. I think. You know there is this beautiful unity among all
• 42:49
  of us, and you can look at physics for it. You can look
• 42:52
  in a lot of different directions to see that and understand it. Over time.
• 42:55
  But they are absolutely taking advantage all the concepts and using them against us
• 43:01
  in as many ways as possible. That's right, And what you're saying is
• 43:08
  that because it was like what you were mentioning earlier with a lot of the
• 43:14
  debunkers and the people that say, like, you know, none of it's
• 43:19
  real, it's all nonsense, it's all garbage, And that's not the angle
• 43:22
  to take either. There are some woo woo things that are very real,
• 43:30
  you know, Like, dude, I believe in the paranormal. It happens.
• 43:37
  I've experienced it, and I just don't mess with it. I don't
• 43:42
  go into any haunted locations. I don't do any of that anymore. It's
• 43:47
  funny because I've always gone headfirst into that ship my whole life, and I
• 43:52
  never well I'm not saying never, but like at least when I when I'm
• 43:55
  in that mode, I've never experienced anything. It's probably because it requires a
• 44:02
  certain level of vulnerability in the moment for these things to happen. But you
• 44:07
  know, I don't disagree with the paranormal. I just have a weird perspective
• 44:13
  on it, you know, Like, well, it's more it's more psychological.
• 44:17
  It's a psychological thing. It's not even so much a entities out there,
• 44:23
  it's not. It's psychological psychological manipulation. Like whatever that is gets into
• 44:30
  your head and makes you believe that you're seeing things or things are moving,
• 44:37
  or make you hear things. So that that's from you know, my experience
• 44:42
  with it. People are looking at it wrong when it comes to like there's
• 44:45
  something outside of you. No, it's not outside of you. It's exactly
• 44:47
  like what we were talking about earlier with the you know, taking the drugs
• 44:52
  and meeting these entities and all that stuff. You know, that's happens within
• 44:57
  you. That's happening within your mind. And you know normal to me,
• 45:01
  is is happening within your head? Yeah? I like that definition, and
• 45:05
  you know I may have said it on your show. Know I've quoted it
• 45:07
  a couple of times, with that line from Harry Potter where Harry asked Dumbledore
• 45:12
  if it's all happening in his head or not. He's like, you know,
• 45:15
  just because it's happening in your head doesn't mean it isn't real. He's
• 45:19
  like, of course, it's all happening in your head, but that doesn't
• 45:22
  mean it isn't real, you know, And I think and this is all
• 45:25
  of us are victim to this and none of us are going to be privy
• 45:28
  to it until we're dead, if that. But in my view, yeah,
• 45:32
  we're not seeing reality as it is. And I don't just mean blue
• 45:37
  is a different blue, or you know, you're a sixty foot dragon in
• 45:42
  real life, you know what I mean? Like you're an interdimensional spirit being
• 45:45
  in reality and you're like probably one hundred feet tall. You know. You
• 45:49
  listen to Dolores Cannon and all these different people that just know the spirit world
• 45:54
  so well and have all the answers, and it's very frustrating when you're,
• 45:58
  like, you just talk about fucking archetypes and you're making people think these are
• 46:01
  actual things that you're talking about and not constructs. And when you take the
• 46:07
  individual and then you look at it fractally and you listen to physics saying that
• 46:12
  all of reality is basically that same construct, it gets to be more that
• 46:17
  consciousness is some sort of phenomenon itself. It's all the phenomenon. Everything we
• 46:23
  look at and touch and feel and see and think about is part of that
• 46:28
  phenomenon. And I think some elevated people have started to call that god.
• 46:32
  You know, that's comfortable. I don't mind that. I doubt there's even
• 46:37
  a personality behind it though, other than your own at the end there.
• 46:42
  And this what I'm talking about now, if Christians hear it, it sounds
• 46:47
  satanic. But that's the problem because these Satanists or whatever you want to call
• 46:54
  these people that kind of get this mentality, but get it, they get
• 46:58
  it wrong and they think there's eight billion gods walking around this planet, all
• 47:02
  just exacting our own will onto the you know, the people below or whatever.
• 47:08
  But that's not how it is. It's not that these gross material personalities
• 47:14
  are all gods. It's almost more as though the eye in you and the
• 47:19
  eye and others, and the eye and me is the same eye and it's
• 47:23
  all looking out of it's looking through reality through uh you know, what do
• 47:29
  you call it? When you look through that little uh crystal and you see
• 47:32
  it in like nine million different directions. It's I don't know. And that's
• 47:37
  that's as woo woo as I getoscope. I think, Yeah, something like
• 47:42
  that. Your prism, that's what it is. You send light through a
• 47:45
  prism, you know, And yeah, that may sound woo woo, and
• 47:49
  that's totally fine. I'm comfortable with my own woo woo. I've experienced it
• 47:52
  myself. And then, for the first time in my entire life, became
• 47:58
  obsessed with every ancient culture there was because they all talk about it at some
• 48:05
  point or another. All forms of spirituality seem to root back to this idea
• 48:09
  of one consciousness. It's just dressed up as you get closer and closer to
• 48:15
  modern times, or those texts become more popular and more put together and constructed.
• 48:21
  We have all these allegories and stories built around them, you know.
• 48:23
  But it's in every culture, and so I think if hypothetically that was what
• 48:30
  was being obfuscated, it would make sense of almost every other siop well.
• 48:37
  Our eyes and ears take on electrical signals which our brain interprets based off of
• 48:43
  our expectation, and our expectation is based off of our experience, our experience
• 48:51
  of life, meaning that we don't really see reality. We see our reality
• 48:59
  based off of our experiences and expectations. That's right. Technically, everyone is
• 49:05
  living their own little reality, and that gets to where people don't really believe
• 49:12
  in the one, this concept that we're all one because I can't boggle the
• 49:19
  idea that we're all connected when we're all living these separate lives and we've all
• 49:23
  lived different we've all had different experiences of our lives the same. Yeah,
• 49:30
  the only way to do it is to let go, you know, the
• 49:32
  same way that you know, all the meditative teachings talk talk to people about
• 49:37
  saying you have to learn to let go of your ego, and not as
• 49:42
  if ego is some specific, real, actual thing, but letting go of
• 49:47
  your your inner child, basically your you know, your selfishness, all these
• 49:52
  qualities that are yeah, more aimed at the self rather than outward towards others.
• 49:59
  You know. I like what Ramdas said, And he may be controlled
• 50:01
  opposition too, but I liked what he said treat everyone as God and drag
• 50:07
  because that's kind of and when you start to do that, it feels really
• 50:10
  good. You don't always get the greatest responses, but you know, to
• 50:15
  treat people that way is rewarding in the end. And I think, yeah,
• 50:20
  I don't know where I was. I think I was wandering out there.
• 50:22
  I think that not only treat people as God and drag as like what
• 50:28
  you just mentioned, but I think treat everyone as a reflection of yourself.
• 50:32
  Bingo. And I think that's kind of the same thing. Again, I'm
• 50:37
  not God, You're not God. We are God's that's a concept that gets
• 50:44
  tossed out by religious people because they think we're talking about, you know,
• 50:50
  this idolatry of the self basically, and it's not. But that's what it's
• 50:55
  usually presented as by the anton Levy's and the Crowleys of the world, who
• 51:00
  wanted will and power. That is the opposite of godliness. Absolutely. You
• 51:06
  know, it's a coincidence that it's against Christianity, but like it's it really
• 51:10
  is evil. It's the wrong way to look at things. But there's a
• 51:15
  silver lining there, you know, and that oneness is overlooked big time and
• 51:20
  it's taken advantage of. And yeah, yeah, I think the whole thing
• 51:25
  with being calling yourself a God or us as a as a God is taken
• 51:32
  wrongly, is taken as an excuse to be able to do whatever you want,
• 51:38
  or say whatever versus your truth exactly, or treat people however you want
• 51:46
  to treat them with no consequences. But that's not what we're saying, your
• 51:51
  folks. It's and when you understand it and you come to the conclusion of
• 51:55
  what we're really meaning. It makes sense, and you know, reality gets
• 52:01
  more exciting and more loving and more amazing when you take on this perspective.
• 52:07
  Even like all my experiences talking to near death experiences, and I related so
• 52:12
  closely to a lot of their stories because for whatever reason, through heavy doses
• 52:15
  of psychedelics, the people I could relate to more than anything were the near
• 52:21
  death experiencers, which really tells us something, right, are they really seeing
• 52:27
  something outside of their own consciousness? And I'm not not deflating anyone's amazing encounters,
• 52:34
  but this goes back to what I was saying, how on every single
• 52:37
  level, the quote unquote bad guys are taking us away from ourselves and humanity
• 52:44
  on the individual level and the whole level, because even in that realm,
• 52:49
  you can't accept that it's parts of you. You can't. I mean I
• 52:52
  came face to face with it and it was just, you know, it's
• 52:55
  mind blowing, it's speechless that you can't. Yeah, it's the most humbling
• 53:00
  experience of your whole life. But it's it's misunderstood drastically because we've been taught
• 53:09
  that if anything phenomenal happens. It can't be you, it can't be us.
• 53:15
  It has to be something outside of us. And that's how we've always
• 53:19
  been taught to look. It has to be God, it has to be
• 53:22
  Aliens, it has to be something spectacular. It has to be something super
• 53:27
  mythological that no one ever sees or no one ever hears. Yeah, not
• 53:31
  anymore. Nephelim along gone. Now you know that talking snake in the garden's
• 53:37
  gone? Bro, It's no longer here, went into a different dimension.
• 53:40
  I mean. The funny part is this signop does so many different things.
• 53:45
  Like I've said it before, it just does so many different things because even
• 53:47
  if you look at stories like the Nephylum or other religious stories and you start
• 53:52
  looking at them as like the legends of humanity, it tells such not only
• 53:59
  incredible stories, but pretty damning stories too, about major groups and areas of
• 54:07
  the world, like what happened and like It just changes the perspective completely,
• 54:12
  and it enriches our past so much more. You can do that while still
• 54:16
  saying who knows, but at least you're remaining within the idea that this was
• 54:22
  probably humanity, which is a lot closer to the ground than well, maybe
• 54:27
  it wasn't maybe it was aliens, maybe it was this, Maybe it was
• 54:30
  this stuff we've never seen or been able to prove, or stuff that we
• 54:35
  saw within our own consciousness, but we can't accept that, so it has
• 54:37
  to be out there, you know. I tend to think that looking at
• 54:44
  it as human history could be extremely fulfilling, but it's the least popular anywhere
• 54:52
  the mainstream media or the mainstream historians look at all of mythology and religion for
• 54:58
  the most part, is just whimsical stories by primitive people, and I don't
• 55:02
  think that's changed much in the last fifty to one hundred years. That's basically
• 55:07
  the educational academic view of ancient culture for the most part when it comes to
• 55:13
  the mythology side. But then you look at the alternative communities and all you
• 55:19
  get is monsters, physical, real monsters that they have been groomed with from
• 55:25
  Hollywood over the past hundred years. So both the mainstream and the alternative communities
• 55:31
  are totally fucked when it comes to looking at our history in any meaningful way,
• 55:37
  in my opinion, any meaningful way that's going to bring meaning to us
• 55:42
  as humanity unless you're looking at it like we fucking overcame all these aliens or
• 55:45
  something. But it's just a stretch. It's such a stretch to do that
• 55:50
  instead of just accepting that these are our stories. You know, maybe there
• 55:53
  was a progenitor race of people that had more advantage over others, and they
• 56:00
  could have been shepherds at times, they probably could have been fucking tyrants at
• 56:04
  times, but it sounds to me from many different perspectives around the world,
• 56:08
  these were people and the implications of that are massive. Yeah, what does
• 56:16
  that mean? What does that mean to our culture now? And how many
• 56:22
  times throughout history have we been in a very similar position. There was this
• 56:31
  document that coincidentally that Joe Rogan brought up on his channel while on his podcast
• 56:40
  that's like an ancient document that is literally talking about the same types of things
• 56:46
  that we're talking about that's happening right now, where this person that wrote this
• 56:52
  ancient text is saying that it's the end of the world, that people aren't
• 56:57
  abaying, that people are you know, that everything's corrupt. You know,
• 57:02
  it's like, how many times have we been through this exact same thing several
• 57:06
  times and it just nothing really ever happens. I mean, it could be
• 57:12
  a possibility that you know, a natural disaster happened, or we did end
• 57:15
  up imploding ourselves, or some kind of world ending flood or some kind of
• 57:23
  massive disaster happened that wiped out a lot of people. I mean, that
• 57:28
  is still a possibility. But then when you think like and I don't mean
• 57:32
  to the same point as like we are right now, because I think it's
• 57:37
  possible that we are the only group of the only civilization that is used the
• 57:45
  technology in this type of way, Like, yeah, there are other there
• 57:49
  may have been other advanced civilizations before in the past, but that doesn't mean
• 57:52
  that they followed the same direction that we went with our technology, with our
• 57:57
  phones and with our computers and with planes. And they could be advanced in
• 58:00
  other ways. It could be more consciously advanced, it can be more spiritually
• 58:04
  advanced. It could be more mentally advanced than we are. And that's a
• 58:07
  common thing that people whenever they're referring to ancient civilizations, they're taking into account
• 58:15
  that they were advanced, like we think that we are advanced, when that's
• 58:21
  more than likely not the case. They were advanced in a different kind of
• 58:24
  way, not the way that we think that we are now it's a completely
• 58:28
  separate type of advanced. And then it's just interesting to think, well,
• 58:32
  you know, how many times have we been on this precipice and for how
• 58:37
  many thousands of years have people thought that this was going to be the end?
• 58:45
  Right, it's all going to be over, you know, we're not
• 58:47
  going to survive and things are going to be destroyed, you know, And
• 58:52
  it seems like a lot Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, these
• 58:55
  cycles seem to be recorded often too, so they probably did happen. And
• 59:02
  again, the haves and the have nots, right, maybe some people did
• 59:07
  survive it, maybe some people flourished from it, you know, but whatever
• 59:14
  was left over, at least among the people was strife and depression and anxiety
• 59:22
  and fear and distrust and just worlds falling apart. And just imagine the world
• 59:31
  that comes after that, generation after generation after generation. You know, we
• 59:37
  don't need reptilians. We just need, you know, something horrible to happen
• 59:43
  to us. But you know, what you were saying before kind of reminded
• 59:45
  me. I wanted to talk a little bit about Atlantis because Atlantis is a
• 59:50
  great example of what we've been talking about. How we look at it,
• 59:53
  and there's billions of stories out there, mostly from channelers. Originally, as
• 59:59
  you say, we're just still talking about shit from Edgar Casey and people like
• 1:00:02
  that from decades and decades ago. But Atlantis is interesting because the perspective on
• 1:00:09
  it is crystal palaces and crazy technology and it's literally the perfect analogy for our
• 1:00:17
  modern civilization falling and stuff like that. People love to use that, and
• 1:00:22
  they rope in the aliens, they rope in the crazy amounts of telepathy and
• 1:00:29
  moving things with your mind. They just rope in the most extreme. They're
• 1:00:32
  going to ten immediately with all of them, you know. And that's when
• 1:00:37
  or that's where I really like to just bring up the box saga or vinamoid
• 1:00:43
  in mythologies perspective on Atlantis, because it claims that this word Atlantis comes from
• 1:00:50
  alt lant East, which is the old Swedish way of saying all land ice.
• 1:00:55
  And they have all these stories, not just the Box saga, but
• 1:01:00
  there's many sagas from the northern Lands that talk about some sort of civilization up
• 1:01:07
  there in the north, thriving but cut off and decimated by an ice age
• 1:01:15
  that had happened and we're probably talking about the Younger Driest or something like that.
• 1:01:19
  But the perspective on it is that it was humans desperately surviving during an
• 1:01:25
  ice time and cut off from the majority of the southern hemisphere and some of
• 1:01:31
  the north. And so it's in multiple stories, and I have a telegram
• 1:01:37
  called Box Saga English. People can find it and ask as many questions as
• 1:01:42
  they want. The reason why I'm attracted to the Box Saga at all is
• 1:01:45
  because it's the only alternative theory outside of mainstream that I've found that claims we
• 1:01:54
  were all human beings during all of these times of God and aliens and stuff
• 1:02:00
  like that. It has a quote unquote logical explanation for early humanity, and
• 1:02:09
  you know, you don't even really have to I mean, I don't wholeheartedly
• 1:02:13
  believe it either. It's the fact that it's out there, and once again,
• 1:02:16
  it's like the least most popular topic when it comes to ancient history in
• 1:02:22
  the alternative world. We don't talk about this kind of stuff if it's boring
• 1:02:28
  or mundane, if it's just more of us, you know, well,
• 1:02:34
  it's interesting today. So pretty much a breakaway civilization just kind of lived alongside
• 1:02:42
  I mean, and that's a highly plausible explanation. I remember, have you
• 1:02:46
  ever seen Inside Job on Netflix? It psycho conspiracy cartoon. It'sycho comedy or
• 1:02:52
  whatever. It's feeding everyone the most famous conspiracies telling us. Yeah, I
• 1:03:00
  love it. I think it's hilarious. Some people don't like it because they
• 1:03:05
  think they're making fun of them, but I mean they are, but it's
• 1:03:07
  a really funny way. But something that was really interesting and there is the
• 1:03:14
  concept that they bring up is that they keep referring to we don't want to
• 1:03:21
  piss off the Atlanteans, you know, we don't want to to make we
• 1:03:25
  don't want to make the Atlanteans mad because they own a section of the planet
• 1:03:31
  and they're like this breakaway civilization on the planet that has their own little congregation
• 1:03:37
  of people that nobody knows about. Yeah, I mean that sounds closest to
• 1:03:43
  the truth in my opinion, and it's very fascinating. It's very interesting concept.
• 1:03:49
  I mean, we kind of have that right now, and like that
• 1:03:52
  we know about, so it's not out of that like the people in the
• 1:03:55
  Amazon, you know, in the Amazon have that has never had any contact
• 1:04:00
  with the outside world. And then we also have the cargo cults during the
• 1:04:04
  Vietnam War that had never seen anything from the outside world. They'd never seen
• 1:04:09
  any of the modern day technology that we had during that time. They'd never
• 1:04:12
  seen a plane, a helicopter. So whenever, you know, our military
• 1:04:15
  from the United States showed up and they thought that this man was a god
• 1:04:21
  because they were bringing him goods. They were bringing him all this you know,
• 1:04:27
  food and supplies, and they started worshiping this guy, this military nobody
• 1:04:35
  from the United States and called him a god. It's the called of John
• 1:04:40
  from So it's not out of the realm of possibility that that has been something
• 1:04:45
  that has occurred. If that can occur in modern times, now, how
• 1:04:49
  many other times has that occurred throughout history where just a slightly more advanced group
• 1:04:56
  of people have been developing their things separately from everybody else, and they come
• 1:05:00
  in and is like considered like magic and they're considered like gods. Yeah,
• 1:05:04
  like they show up and save people from a massive flood, you know,
• 1:05:10
  I mean, we have the and you know, the flood stories are everywhere,
• 1:05:15
  and we have all these stories of people coming here's another fun way to
• 1:05:18
  word things coming out of the heavens or down from the heavens when you really
• 1:05:25
  look into that word. In ancient times, they referred to the north as
• 1:05:30
  heaven or the beyond, or the Great Beyond, the Great Dark Wind.
• 1:05:35
  There's all these different names for beyond the snow region that no one could reach
• 1:05:43
  in Box Saga, beyond that snow region for thousands of years when everybody called
• 1:05:47
  it that there were people living up there that no one fucking knew about,
• 1:05:51
  supposedly, but I mean again, it's it's echoed through so many different cultures,
• 1:05:56
  and it's like, if you want, I have no problem with compar
• 1:06:00
  narrative mythology, I think that's important. People that write it off as just
• 1:06:02
  coincidences, that's that's pretty ridiculous in my opinion. But jumping to it has
• 1:06:09
  to be aliens or oh, gods used to exist that came out of other
• 1:06:14
  dimensions called heaven and Hell and things like that. That's when what's the point
• 1:06:19
  like to entertain yourself, to ask what ifs? That might be fun?
• 1:06:26
  I mean, and I'm talking to the most casual conspiracy theorists or the most
• 1:06:30
  pious person on the planet. We're all entertaining human stories about things that none
• 1:06:34
  of us have ever experienced. No one has ever died and come back.
• 1:06:40
  Well, I mean, I guess I shouldn't say that when it comes to
• 1:06:43
  near death experiences, But I don't know, man, that no one's ever
• 1:06:46
  died, died and come back, you know, So until then, why
• 1:06:50
  would you just believe anyone's story about what happens outside of your consciousness. It's
• 1:06:57
  just it's almost so logical, it's hard for people to grasp it is.
• 1:07:04
  And then when you think of like these ancient civilizations too, and you know
• 1:07:11
  what, because coming out of heaven could also mean just coming out of the
• 1:07:16
  sky. They could have had freaking helicopters, sure, or they could have
• 1:07:21
  had planes or and those were described as like chariots coming out of the sky
• 1:07:26
  when it was really a helicopter. I mean, a lot of the descriptions
• 1:07:29
  of them, you know, say that they create a really loud noise,
• 1:07:33
  like like that is really what is really loud that we know of in modern
• 1:07:38
  times, a freaking helicopter, for sure. Well it's interesting. I mean,
• 1:07:43
  I don't dispute it. Maybe that is the case, but I do
• 1:07:46
  like what you said earlier that they probably didn't have the same even evolutionary or
• 1:07:51
  technological path is that we did. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have made
• 1:07:57
  some sort of machinery. But what another interesting point about those ancient accounts,
• 1:08:03
  for instance, Vermana, when you look into vamana, the concept of Vermana
• 1:08:10
  having anything to do with flying crafts is from like the early nineteen hundreds and
• 1:08:15
  actually does not date back to the ancient Hindu texts. The Hindu texts that
• 1:08:21
  they're referring to, it's almost like, you know, it's like Sitchin translating,
• 1:08:28
  because those that word vimana refers to like extremely tall towers and things like
• 1:08:34
  that, like big, huge buildings of worship and other reasons. But they're
• 1:08:41
  structures for sure, but they're the idea of them flying. I've seen a
• 1:08:45
  lot of dispute against that idea that it's not even an ancient concept. It's
• 1:08:51
  actually like put in, just like Sitchen puts so much into Sumerian cuneiform.
• 1:08:59
  Oh man, you're gonna a lot of people mad with that one. The
• 1:09:01
  vimanas aren't even real, dude, Come on bro. Yeah again, what
• 1:09:08
  I like to do is I like to keep an open mind about you know,
• 1:09:10
  aliens and everything else. But keep your damn hands off our ancient history
• 1:09:16
  of our ancestors' stories, you know what I mean, because I don't even
• 1:09:19
  think, Oh, I don't know. Man like the ancient the ancient tribes
• 1:09:26
  today around the world that have still kind of held on to their old ways,
• 1:09:30
  they'll tell these stories, but it's us that are interpreting them in a
• 1:09:34
  certain way, you know what I mean. They're talking about light beings and
• 1:09:39
  tall ones and all these things. But again, every one of these tales
• 1:09:45
  has a counterpart argument for humanity. It's I urge people to look into archaeologists
• 1:09:51
  and anthropologists from the seventeen hundreds and the sixteen hundreds, because you're going to
• 1:09:57
  find that words don't mean the same thing anymore. Words that had very down
• 1:10:01
  to earth meanings have taken quite a fancy flight since mainly since the mid eighteen
• 1:10:09
  hundreds, where folklore became very popular. Men like George MacDonald, who were
• 1:10:16
  predecessors of you know, C. S. Lewis and people like that.
• 1:10:23
  He coined the supernatural term portal. You know, until eighteen fifty six or
• 1:10:30
  whatever it was, there was not a single mention of that word having anything
• 1:10:34
  to do with anything supernatural. It was strictly a word that was used in
• 1:10:40
  nautical terminology and you know about ships and coming off of docs and things like
• 1:10:45
  that. It's it never had any supernatural connection until an Englishman put it to
• 1:10:49
  it in modern literature. So a lot of these terms, we just think
• 1:10:55
  they're so ancient because the concepts from ancient cultures may seem similar, But we're
• 1:11:00
  literally just linking things that I wouldn't say aren't there, but it's kind of
• 1:11:05
  they're put there to be found. Yeah, that's kind of like what we
• 1:11:11
  were mentioning earlier. And we don't know what these people referred to as these
• 1:11:18
  different words. I mean, the words like you're saying probably meant something completely
• 1:11:24
  different than what they mean to this very day. I mean, the whole
• 1:11:28
  term flying saucer was a sport right in late eighteen hundreds. It was a
• 1:11:33
  sport called flying saucers where they would create these discs. They would throw the
• 1:11:39
  disc up in the sky and shoot them for like target practice, which is
• 1:11:43
  called trap shooting. Then after during World War two, whenever the military adopted
• 1:11:48
  the term to train the air force for World War two, and the war
• 1:11:51
  ended in nineteen forty five, and then two years later we see the reemergence
• 1:11:57
  of the term, but under a completely different context. Absolutely, but it
• 1:12:00
  had been in the consciousness of everyone since eighteen eighty. Everyone knew the term
• 1:12:06
  flying saucer, and then it just suddenly was accepted as something new. Yep.
• 1:12:15
  Just happens over and over again, man like when people are standing in
• 1:12:18
  it or thinking that they're conjuring fairies, or they're standing in a fairy circle.
• 1:12:24
  Their original fairy circles were the roundtable courts used in you know, the
• 1:12:30
  royal picks would sit at these roundtable courts and they'd be known as the fair
• 1:12:34
  circles. You know. We get this term fair and fairy from ancient Greek,
• 1:12:40
  and it just means noble or royal, and that's the reoccurring theme.
• 1:12:45
  We continuously find nobility and royalty in a lot of these words that were used
• 1:12:50
  a long time ago. I looked into the etymology of Elvin and elf and
• 1:12:56
  I found the word white and shining, and at first I'm like, oh
• 1:13:00
  God, this sounds racist, but it goes beyond it. It may be
• 1:13:04
  northern people, but at the same time it stood for nobility and righteousness and
• 1:13:10
  royalty and things like that. My favorite example I forgive me if I shared
• 1:13:15
  this on our last encounter, But there's a the Smith map from like sixteen
• 1:13:21
  something, and on the Smith Map there's a picture of a Sasquahanna man and
• 1:13:28
  he's huge and he looks almost like a Sasquatch. And what is written about
• 1:13:34
  this man is that the Saskaehanna are a giant people. Therefore they are attired.
• 1:13:45
  And so when I look at that through modern eyes, it's hard to
• 1:13:48
  make any sort of logical sense out of that. Okay, so they were
• 1:13:53
  giants, so therefore they wore clothes. What does that That doesn't make any
• 1:13:59
  sense. Of course, they wore clothes. It can be small or big.
• 1:14:02
  You can wear clothes. What does giant have to do with clothing.
• 1:14:06
  Well, then you have to look at the origin of the word attire,
• 1:14:10
  because it didn't just mean clothing. It meant dressed in lavish garments, reserved
• 1:14:15
  for royalty. So when that man Smith says that the giant that they were
• 1:14:21
  a giant people, thus they were attired, he's literally saying they were royalty,
• 1:14:28
  so they were dressed as such. And one last point about that is
• 1:14:32
  that there's a modern Netflix show all about the Viking gods, and it's depicted
• 1:14:40
  as if it's just human beings instilled with this you know, phenomenological energy of
• 1:14:47
  some sort that kind of puts them in tune with Thor and the giants.
• 1:14:53
  Right, the giants were always against the gods, and these god in the
• 1:15:00
  show are just rich assholes, that's all they are. They're they're nobility among
• 1:15:06
  the people around the area, good and bad, from family member to family
• 1:15:12
  member. But they're the they're the giants, they're the gods, you know
• 1:15:15
  what I mean. It's kind of like I think it was. It was
• 1:15:19
  an iron Man three with Robert Downey Jr. Where they hyped up the Mandarin
• 1:15:27
  characters like this mystical like all knowing, all badass guy that has these mystical
• 1:15:34
  rings or whatever, and then Iron Man that goes to confront him and he's
• 1:15:38
  like, I'm just an actor, bro, Like yeah, Ben King's life's
• 1:15:42
  just like I'm a Patsy. I'm a Patsy. Yeah. That was great.
• 1:15:46
  It's a great thing. It's like the have you ever seen the movie
• 1:15:48
  Big Fish by Tim Burton? No? I haven't. What's it about.
• 1:15:53
  It's a great movie. It's about a man who's kind of distanced from his
• 1:15:58
  father over time, and he finally gets to see him again, and his
• 1:16:01
  father's kind of dying. And his father's always told these tall tales, these
• 1:16:05
  big, crazy stories that include giants and magical things happening and all these amazing
• 1:16:12
  stories. And you're taken back through his memories and things are crazy, and
• 1:16:16
  there's this giant that befriends him and he's like twelve sixteen feet tall or something
• 1:16:20
  like that. All these amazing things are happening, and then his father dies
• 1:16:26
  and sorry, I'm ruining like a two thousand and seven movie, but so
• 1:16:30
  he dies and at the funeral, all these old friends, all these people
• 1:16:36
  and characters from this man's past show up to the funeral, and you see
• 1:16:43
  the giant have trouble getting out of the car and he's helped by another man.
• 1:16:46
  And he's about seven seven and a half feet tall, and he has
• 1:16:50
  a disease where his bones grew. You know, it's the real giants that
• 1:16:55
  we know of, right, All these different little stories have their human interpretation
• 1:17:01
  laid down upon them again. And the son, who's just always thought of
• 1:17:05
  his father as a liar and an exaggerator, he just has this beautiful moment
• 1:17:12
  where he realizes who his dad was and the stories he was telling, and
• 1:17:15
  how he was able to enrich his son with these fables, these moral stories
• 1:17:24
  in a much easier way for children to understand. And it just, yeah,
• 1:17:28
  you see the relief and the sadness and the happiness go over his face.
• 1:17:32
  And that's kind of what has happened to me over over time with these
• 1:17:35
  topics, because it just it. Really, you take all these provocative ideas,
• 1:17:42
  the ones that can scare the fuck out of you or the ones that
• 1:17:45
  lead you on, and you just reduce them all back down to what you
• 1:17:49
  have within you and what you've learned from each other on a very human level.
• 1:17:56
  Well, a good story never dies, and we've always been star retellers,
• 1:18:00
  like that's our nature to tell amazing stories. You can never kill a
• 1:18:05
  story, absolutely, and there's nothing new under the sun. So yeah,
• 1:18:10
  we do. We have our same stories over and over again. And perhaps
• 1:18:13
  it's the hero's journey, the hero's adventure, like Joseph Campbell talks about.
• 1:18:18
  And I think that's important to all of us in some way or another,
• 1:18:21
  because the first one is is ourselves and it's in our head, you know,
• 1:18:26
  the journey we're taking and so we have to relate. Absolutely, it
• 1:18:30
  is so difficult to destroy and wreck a story because the story is a is
• 1:18:39
  a creation, absolutely your own creation, and when a lot of people believe
• 1:18:44
  in that creation, there's nothing that you can do to it. It's pretty
• 1:18:49
  much invincible. It's impenetrable. Can't get in that. And you know,
• 1:18:55
  you can have people in court depositions saying, oh, you need everything up
• 1:19:00
  now, does not matter. The story will continue and people will continue to
• 1:19:05
  keep talking about it. Right Absolutely, Man Well said, I have this
• 1:19:15
  clip that I wanted to show earlier, but I kind of forgot about it.
• 1:19:20
  It's of Barack Obama. He's talking about the dis and misinformation from I
• 1:19:30
  believe that it is. Where's it from? Stanford? Is from Stanford University
• 1:19:38
  in twenty twenty two, I think, and I've played it on my show
• 1:19:40
  before, but I think it bears repeating because he's essentially saying that the conspiracies
• 1:19:46
  and stuff are used for an agenda, and it's pretty much everything is all
• 1:19:55
  culminating. Everything that we've talked about so far, it's all really culminating to
• 1:20:00
  what Obama is talking about here in twenty twenty two. But just for before
• 1:20:06
  I played the clip. This is fair use under Section one oh seven of
• 1:20:12
  the Copyright Act in nineteen seventy six. Allowance is made for fair use for
• 1:20:16
  purposes such as criticism, comment, news, reporting, scholarship, education,
• 1:20:21
  and research. And that is what me and Andy are going to be doing
• 1:20:25
  here today. Instead of talking about what Barack Obama said in twenty twenty two,
• 1:20:30
  we are going to listen to the man himself say it so we don't
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  misquote him or get anything wrong. All right, here, it is understand
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  it's not necessary for people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions.
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  And a reminder to YouTube that we are commenting over this video and it
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  is covered under fair use. You just have to flood a country's public schol
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  with enough raw sewage. You just have to raise enough questions, spread enough
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  dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe.
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  How profound is that Andy? He sounds like Yerry Besmanov or whatever his name
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  is, the Russian disinfo agent. He's saying the same things. And the
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  thing is is he's talking about himself and all of his friends. He probably
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  blames this on Russia, right, which Russia is probably doing worse. Shit.
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  Yeah, but it's kind of besides the point. Whatever anybody thinks about
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  Barack Obama, who cares Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, studying what he's
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  saying in this clip, because I think it's really profound, But I agree
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  with you, he's probably not taking it in the same way that we're taking
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  it. It's probably some other country or some other thing that he's talking about
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  here, but it is, Oh yeah, go ahead. Once they lose
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  trust in their leaders, in mainstream media, in political institutions, in each
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  other, in the possibility of truth, the game's won for who that is.
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  You know, it's not the right, it's not the left. You
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  know, these are convenience straw men where whoever they are. You know,
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  it's an interesting one because, yeah, he hits the nail on the head.
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  It's exactly the tactic. It's exactly what Yuri was saying about the Cold
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  War and everything, and they did, you know, Obama, the claim
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  is that that twenty twelve repeal of the smith Mont Act was like, they're
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  allowed to show us what they've been using on other countries propaganda. And I'm
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  like, I don't know about that. I think it's more like they've been
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  spreading all kinds of propaganda towards us the whole damn time. Yeah, it's
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  just interesting the way that he describes it, And you're right, it's almost
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  identical to what yourybzman Off said about four What did you say four steps to
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  subverbal the entire country, which is destabilization, demoralization, crisis, and then
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  normalization pretty much. Yeah, I mean that's exactly what we see, and
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  we see it happening on many different scales, like you know, the mainstream
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  masses that the conspiracy theorists are all trying to save and wake up. It's
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  happening to the masses, but it's also happening to the conspiracy theorists, and
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  it really sucks because you know, a lot of people will go through both
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  of those lifestyles and eventually come out kind of in the middle with nothing to
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  say, like, well, I I was fooled on both ends of it.
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  I have no idea what to think anymore, you know, and that
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  too big time because it's safe and again I'm not I don't even like necessarily
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  disagree with the spiritual premise behind Christianity that there's something beyond this, but we
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  don't fucking know, and to just trust man's words. The old world orders
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  words over like why why would you do that? You know? Yeah,
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  it's just interesting that what he's basically saying is that the conspiracy theories, the
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  miss and disinformation is controlled, that it's a part of the plan that is
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  put out there on purpose and done on purpose. Decall's confusion essentially exactly what
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  he's saying. And that doesn't mean it's all bullshit either, because they have
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  to lure us in with things that matter, they really do, and they
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  know that some of us are really smart. They can't. They're not just
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  gonna eody, you know, they don't have to. They don't because then
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  it's like a self it's kind of a self governing system. The people will
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  call out other people. I mean, we see this all the time when
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  someone is so much behind one certain individual and then someone comes out against them
• 1:25:25
  and then they just go on the attack. Right. It's and it's always
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  the same thing. It's always you're an agent, you're working for the CIA,
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  you're working for the cabal. You're a disinformationalist, you're a missing like
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  for what bro for what? Well that especially in this community with the UFOs.
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  It's really hard for the people that because I've seen people argue with you
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  and call you those things, and I've been called those things, and it's
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  funny because it's like, dude, are you kidding me? You guys trust
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  the government? What are you talking? You trust? That's what fucking military
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  officials say. Are you kidding me? It's just it's such a weird situation,
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  and it's the thing that's just but in a different way for the spiritual
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  community, right, but it's the same type of thing. It's, Oh,
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  you're working for the dark side. Oh you're you're working for the Luciferians.
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  You're looking you're working for Satan. If you're working for the church,
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  the murderous, burn the world down church, or or you're the you're the
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  breakaway Galactic Federation, right, You're you're breaking away from the Galactic Federation of
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  Light. You're now a part of the Galactic Federation of Dark. Yeah,
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  And nobody wants to talk about shadows, you know, nobody wants to address
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  their shadow. They just want to fucking have it live out against their will
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  the rest of their lives because they think it's evil to look in dark corners,
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  Yeah, and not do any real work and kind of just leap over
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  everything and then just get directly to the top to enlightenment. Right. They
• 1:27:05
  want a quick way, cutting corners of the way to get to enlightenment as
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  quick as possible. You know, I saw something on Twitter today from doctor
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  Stephen Greer, and I found it really weird because it's usually not the position
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  he takes, at least not without saying a hell of a lot more wacko
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  shit. But he said, the entity which controls the UFO matter has more
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  power than any single government in the world or any single identified world leader.
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  This cabal is a hybrid quasi government quasi privatized operation which is international and functions
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  outside of the purview of any single agency or any single government. And I'm
• 1:27:46
  like, well, shit, Stephen, I kind of would agree with you
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  there. But I have a feeling that this must have been a clipped quote
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  or something where he goes off and says, but then the aliens, because
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  I mean, he kind of he's always played both sides in a way.
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  You know. He he says a lot of this stuff, but then he
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  all but then he also has his CE five business, which makes millions a
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  year, you know. Yeah, I kind of teter back and forth on
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  Stephen Greer. I think that he realizes or knows that all the craft are
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  and military craft, but he can't come out and say that it's all I
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  mean, he can. I mean I do. I say it all the
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  time, but no one cares because I'm too small. Right. It's like
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  what I was talking about before. You can have dissenting opinions and go against
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  everybody when nobody listens to you, right, or you're all channel Yeah,
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  the wrong person starts listening to me, I'm going to be quiet and take
• 1:28:45
  my wife and son somewhere very quiet. I'm not going to deny that.
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  You know, I'm not going to die for country, right, But I've
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  Yeah, Greer said some interesting things over the years. He was one of
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  the first people to one of the first big people to come out and say,
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  you know, the my lab abductions, that a lot of these abductions
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  are done by the military. Which I always found that that is pretty credible
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  because a lot of the people that acclaim UFO and alien abductions, they just
• 1:29:20
  kind of track that back in their mind and they realize that all this was
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  I'm not in outer space. I'm not on a space ship. I mean
• 1:29:27
  in a freaking military base, right, and there's military officers around me.
• 1:29:30
  I'm paranoid. I look at Greer's statements like that, and I'm like,
• 1:29:35
  is there an ulterior motive? Is this a way to make realistic the real
• 1:29:43
  UFOs from aliens? You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, some of
• 1:29:45
  it's men mankind. Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. It's kind
• 1:29:47
  of like dampening it. It's being a more convincing liar. I mean,
• 1:29:55
  do I don't even want to know why or if it's true that he meets
• 1:29:59
  with all these fucking military and government personnel for the past like thirty years.
• 1:30:02
  Why because he's an orthopedic surgeon, Like, why did this guy get connections
• 1:30:08
  to these people in the first place? One is it real? I think
• 1:30:12
  it is because look at the fucking hearings he's being able to put together.
• 1:30:15
  So Two, why are we listening to a goddamn thing this guy's saying?
• 1:30:19
  And or I should take that back, listen very carefully to what he's saying,
• 1:30:25
  obviously, because I think if he's got those kind of connections, he's
• 1:30:29
  compromised. In my opinion, or yeah, I think he's compromised. Well
• 1:30:34
  when he talks about the exact same things and every one of his documentaries,
• 1:30:39
  like I say, the exact same things, he doesn't differ change really anything.
• 1:30:43
  It's like, oh, I got a brand new documentary coming on with
• 1:30:45
  all new, brand new information. We're going to talk about free energy this
• 1:30:48
  time, and then it's literally a repeat of the exact same thing that he
• 1:30:54
  talked about before and then crying scenes a little tiny doll yeah pretty much.
• 1:31:01
  Yeah. Well, and that's not just him either, right, Like I'm
• 1:31:03
  saying, everybody seems to be getting to the same damn conclusions. Whether it's
• 1:31:08
  crazy ass Tim Burchett from Texas talking about how demons are aliens, oh my
• 1:31:13
  God, tarnation, or Rogan having Carlson and Billy Carson on talking about the
• 1:31:18
  same thing, We're all being led towards a very specific narrative. Whether you're
• 1:31:24
  Joe Schmoe who works at an office and watches sports at night and doesn't give
• 1:31:28
  a shit about UFOs, or if you're one of us, or if you're
• 1:31:31
  one of the UFO pious, or if you're a very religious person and you
• 1:31:35
  think the world is coming to an end, and oh my God Jesus,
• 1:31:41
  my religion is starting to show its answers in the real world. And the
• 1:31:44
  government's talking about all of these angles are controlled. It's all these different sheep
• 1:31:48
  dogs bringing us all towards the same pen. What is that pen? I
• 1:31:53
  don't really know. Do they think they're gonna be able to just close the
• 1:31:57
  book and have us at their whims forever? I don't really know what the
• 1:32:00
  motive is. I'm just trying to observe what I see and patterns that I
• 1:32:04
  see. You know, absolutely, I agree a lot, Andy, and
• 1:32:10
  I think that's a good place to wrap it up. And thanks so much
• 1:32:13
  for coming on. Appreciate your time, this evening, wonderful conversation. Can
• 1:32:17
  you let people know where they can find you online? Do you have a
• 1:32:20
  YouTube channel? Hell? Yeah, man, just search for the Deep Shared
• 1:32:24
  Podcast on YouTube. It's been a while I've been in hiding. I haven't
• 1:32:28
  done an episode since like early March, so I appreciate you having me on.
• 1:32:32
  Yeah, you can find me on YouTube. You can find the Deep
• 1:32:34
  Shared Podcast on any podcast app that's out there. I'm on Odyssey as well,
• 1:32:41
  and yeah, come chat with me on Twitter or x or Instagram.
• 1:32:45
  You can find me at the deep share on there, just being very loud
• 1:32:49
  and opinionated. So thank you man. Well, you're welcome on here anytime,
• 1:32:55
  my friend, and hopefully you, excuse you, the energy and the
• 1:32:59
  drive kick back up your shows, my friend, and I hope to see
• 1:33:03
  more of you. You're you're a good dude and looking forward to what you
• 1:33:08
  bring to the table, because we can't give up, dude, We can't
• 1:33:11
  let these freaking people win. Bro. We got to bring dissenting opinions everywhere,
• 1:33:16
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