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The Study of the Book of Colossians Part 2 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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Welcome back to the Simply Christ podcast hosted by Leon
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Martin, along with Aaron Keaton, Melvin Martin, Andrew Schrock
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and Dan Blatz. Let's get right to it.
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All righty, here we are. We are ready to go for another
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episode of our weekly Bible Study webinar.
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And we got the whole crew here tonight.
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That's a good thing. So we are going to continue
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going through the book of Colossians, and we are in
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chapter 1 and we're going to bounce off of verse 6 to get
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started here. But before we do that, I'll ask
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Dan to open us for the word of YEAH.
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Father, we come to you in the name of Jesus, and we do give
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you thanks in his name. We thank you that we are
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partakers of the inheritance and that you've delivered us from
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the power of darkness as we're going to learn.
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Maybe we'll get to that passage here today, but it's such
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beautiful truths in this book. I pray God that we would not
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just learn them intellectually, but that as we go through it,
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your Spirit would do his work and that your name, Lord Jesus
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name, would be made much of. And that we can see your
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supremacy. That we can see your divinity
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and your power as a man and your overcoming work in the gospel.
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That we would all be edified, built up and moved by it.
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We pray these things. The name of Jesus, Amen.
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All righty, so we dug into the book of Colossians and as you
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all know, of course we made it all the way through 5 and part
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of kind of 6 verses in just an introduction.
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So really good instruction. I thought that came out of what
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Paul wrote about the church there at Colossae and how he was
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giving thanks to God. Praying for them.
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Always mention having heard of their faith and the love that
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they have to each other. Where have you heard before in
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the word of the truth of the gospel.
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And then verse 6 says, which is come unto you as it is in all
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the world and bringeth forth fruit as it doth also in you
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since the day he heard of it and knew the grace of God in truth.
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And I'll let you go on this, Andrew on your thoughts.
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I know we kind of touched on a little bit last week, but we're
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just going to bounce out of this.
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I like it, which is come unto you as it is in all the world,
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and bringeth forth fruit. He's not mincing words here.
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He knows that the gospel planted into fertile soil is going to
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bring forth fruit. That's just a fact of life that
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got set up, Andrew. Yeah.
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It's amazing. I like how broad of a statement
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that is coming to you, as in all the world, And John 129 It says,
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The next day, John, See if he is coming unto him, and sayeth,
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Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the
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world, not a few people, not the Jews, the sins of the world.
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John 316 For God so loved the world that he gave His only
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begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
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perish, but have everlasting life.
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We're grant God send not his son into the world to condemn the
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world, but that the world through him might be saved and
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he says in verse 19 it is the condemnation that light is come
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into the world and men love darkness rather than light
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because their deeds were. Evil.
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So the fruit. That it brings is when we find
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out, when we hear the day we hear about the fact that Christ
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came to save the world. It brings forth fruit when we
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hear it and when we understand it.
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That's another point. I'd like that.
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I'm always intrigues me. Often the general approach in
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Christianity is that we need to get God to work in us.
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We need to get to get God to change us.
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We need to get God convinced to change my heart to take over my
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life when? He's.
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Sitting here saying, I'm waiting for you to hear what I've
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already done. I'm waiting for you to hear that
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I came to save you, to change you, to give you everlasting
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life. I'm here waiting for you to hear
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and understand that you, your hope is laid up in heaven.
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The salvation is already secured.
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And what brings forth fruit is when you hear it and believe it
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and you walk in that and that is what will bring forth much
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fruit. So I think we need to stop
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trying to get God to do a work in our life to change our heart.
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We need to believe the gospel and let that bring forth fruit.
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And that will change your heart when you believe it.
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So that is also liberating for the person that doesn't
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understand why God is not doing stuff in their life.
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Like because we're taught that if you, if you get spend enough
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time in in the closet or if you spend enough time feeling sorry
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and sad and fasting and whatnot, God will do a work in your
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heart. No, he's telling you to hear the
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gospel and it'll bring forth fruit.
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So you can be free and knowing that you can find out what
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Christ did and go with it and let it and live in it.
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Walk in it unless he will tell you later here in his chat room.
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That's right. Yeah, Melvin.
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Yeah, I think I want to kind of look at the word grace there,
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you know, he says since the day you heard of it and knew the
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grace of God in truth. So it's like he's saying that
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what is causing us to bring forth fruit and what is bringing
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forth fruit is the grace of God in truth.
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And and grace is an unmerited favor or love coming from gods
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that we didn't deserve. And so when we understand that,
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obviously what he's saying, when we understand that, and then we
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live by that, so to speak, or live in that in Christ.
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And and it's just so interesting that fact because like I said
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last week is so many times Christians are just focusing on,
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you know, fruit, trying to bear fruit, where what he's saying
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here is that we need to focus on Christ and the grace of God in
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truth. And then it will bring forth
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fruit in us as believers and all around the world actually,
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right? Because Can you imagine if
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everybody in the world would commit their lives to Christ?
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You know, I mean, we know that that's not going to happen, but
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can you just imagine what that would be like?
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I mean, it would obviously be heaven.
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On Earth, so to speak, but. But it is God's heart, right?
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He, he brought it to the whole world, right?
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He has brought his grace through Jesus Christ to the whole world.
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And so it's up to us, humanity, to receive that gift, that
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unmerited gift that He has given us.
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Absolutely dying for all that's right.
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Aaron I have and I don't know what you guys think about this,
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but I've heard people argue against it and I've heard people
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argue for it. But he makes a comment in verse
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6. He says talking about the gospel
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which is coming to you as it is in all the world.
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And then he actually goes on to say in verse 23 that if they
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continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved
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away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard and
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which was preached, which was preached to every creature,
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which is under heaven whereof I Paul and made a minister.
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And I've heard people say that it's not possible or it wasn't
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preached to all. He doesn't really mean what he's
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saying there. But I don't know.
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I mean, I'm awful bad to take the Bible literally.
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And he does say that it's preached, that it was preached
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to every creature. And I guess if I was going to
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say, how would you justify that claim?
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If if there is justification for it is is things like what
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happened at the end of Acts chapter 8 when Philip preaches
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to the eunuch and seems to be just transported somewhere else,
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like he just just found as Edizotes, you know, after he's
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on the road. So I don't know.
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I wouldn't like, I'm not saying that to make a big deal about
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it, but it does say that in verse 23 that it it was preached
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to every creature under heaven. So I don't know, I like I said,
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I, I don't know what, what to think about that other than you
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either take it literally or, or you don't or you say no, that's
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not exactly what he meant. So I'd be curious what you all
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would have to say about that. But that that was that stood out
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to me because he does say it in six and 23 votes, but.
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Yeah, that's interesting. A lot of people would kind of
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take that with a grain of salt and say, well, everyone in their
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earshot, you know, or however they traveled or whatever.
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Yeah, I've always heard the known world, you know what I
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mean? But but but but he doesn't say
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that. The only argument that I would
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say, and like I said, I'm not really trying to make a big deal
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about it, but that's he doesn't say world In verse 23, he says
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every creature under heaven, right.
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He doesn't say world. He doesn't actually use the
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word, you know, world there. He just says every creature
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under heaven. So I don't know.
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I I think that's interesting. It's, it's not, I don't, I don't
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think it's, I don't think it matters in the sense that if I,
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I guess what I'm saying is, is I've heard people argue against
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it because they've, or maybe maybe it was arguing for it, but
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they were arguing it because it's like, well, that's, you
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know, he, he preached the gospel so that all can be condemned.
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Well, I don't need that verse to say that everybody's heard the
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gospel to be condemned. I mean, Romans chapter 1 gives
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us a good explanation of how God's going to condemn people.
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It's by their own conscience. You know, they're going to,
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they're going to know what's right and what's wrong and God
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is going to ask them why they didn't do the truth that they
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held. So I don't, you know what I
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mean? Like, I don't, I'm not arguing
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it for the purpose of saying, well, that justifies God sending
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people to hell from all over the world.
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That's not my point. I'm just making the point that
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he said that, right? Like that's really the whole,
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that's that's my reason. Like the people that what I'm
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saying is the people that would have argued that that verse
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meant what it said to me before was arguing it so they could
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feel better about God judging people because they heard it and
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turned it down. You know what I mean?
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Like that was their argument and I don't, I'm saying I don't need
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that argument because like I said, Romans one tells us that
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people are going to be judged according to the truth that they
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hold, however shallow that truth is.
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So I don't think we need that verse for justification of God
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condemning people. But I do think it's interesting.
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It's an interesting verse. Very interesting.
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Never. I never thought of that
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actually. Damn.
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I actually have some some pretty good friends, very serious
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Christians who would call themselves preterists.
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Some would be post millennial in their eschatological views of
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the of the future and they believe that the gospel was
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preached in all the world like Jesus commanded that Christ
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commanded his disciples to go into all the world preach the
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gospel to every creature and Paul says in Romans 1519 mighty
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signs and wonders by the power of the Spirit of God so that
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from Jerusalem roundabout into aliquerium.
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I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
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And so if you're a preterist, you believe that 70 AD was
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actually the fulfillment of much of Jesus prophecies, Matthew 24
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and all of that, the destruction of Jerusalem and Christ came
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back somehow in the clouds with the Roman Empire and all that
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kind of strange view of spiritualizing some of those
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prophet prophetic statements. But they would say the gospel
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was preached to every creature. It was fulfilled in that sense.
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And so sometimes us Christians, pre millennial folks, we would
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say that Christ can't return until every creature has heard.
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And these people would say, well, actually that's not the
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case because that was already accomplished.
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And so I, I don't know what to do about some of that because
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there are a couple of those statements like we have here in
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verse 6, as it is in all the world there.
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It's just kind of making a comparison that it came to
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colossi the same way it had in all the world.
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But in verse 23, he does seem to speak more broadly.
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Like Aaron already mentioned that every creature which is
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under heaven has heard this gospel.
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And So what to do about it exactly or where it exactly fits
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in? I'd I'd be open to hearing
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everybody's views. I just can't reconcile most of
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the rest of the New Testament with a preterist view of Christ
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coming in 70 AD. And to me then, then the church
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age is done. You know, the, the bride is
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complete. Christ came back and received
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them unto it like what happened when Christ came back in 70 AD,
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if he didn't come to receive his bride to himself, and then that
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would mean the bride is complete.
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The churches were done the church age.
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And so it, it gets very confusing if you, if you think
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of it that way, but somehow they, they believe that and then
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they still try to live in the church age now.
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So I don't know, I'm not answering any questions.
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I'm just asking more I guess. Well.
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I guess, I guess I would ask the question and, and just say I
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think that that's a perfect example of sometimes things that
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that people say from what I'd call a wrong or a misunderstood
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doctrine. And I, I would, I would just say
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that I don't agree with their point, but I still think it
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could be true that it was preached to every creature, you
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know, like that. I still think that could be
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true, but it doesn't, it doesn't justify their point.
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I guess what I'm saying. Like, I think it could be true
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because he said it was true without having to confirm some
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weird doctrine like that. Does that make sense?
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Like, I mean, because I guess what I'm saying is is where is
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the I don't see, I don't, I mean, maybe you do.
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Is there a verse that would say that that's the end?
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I mean, I know there's a verse that says when the fullness of
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Gentiles come in, but that's not necessarily I always took that
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as when all that will be saved or saved, not that it finally
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gets preached in every corner. You know what I mean?
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Like is there a verse that indicates that once it finally
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gets preached in every corner, then something is done?
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Like is there that verse? Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
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Yeah, I was just curious. I'm just my point is if there's
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not then it this could be true without justifying that doctrine
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I guess is all I was trying to say but.
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Yeah, there's a, there's a, you know, I've, I've heard, matter
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of fact, we went to church services a couple of times where
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a guy was preaching that preterist view, which at the
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time I knew nothing about. And it was fascinating to me.
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But I don't know enough eschatology to raise a valid
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argument, you know, because I would mostly be going by what
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I've been taught, which I've discovered isn't right either in
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all the spots. So, you know, I never took the
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time to actually dive in and and you know, like take the Bible,
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you know, apart and for my own opinion on that, I just, I just,
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I would not feel comfortable making an argument for or
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against. I mean this is very interesting
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points here that you guys are talking about, but I can't
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support or deny it. Yeah, Well, well, and and let me
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be clear, I don't know if I was clear on this.
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I'm not saying it with anything connected to a preterist view.
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You know what I mean? I'm just like I said, I'm just
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bad to to assume it means what it says.
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And I'm was just asking that, but because mine has no relation
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to any kind of eschatology is why I'm saying it.
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I'm just curious as to, you know, like I think, I think the
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preterists would tie it back to Matthew 2414.
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And this gospel of the Kingdom, which we probably don't believe
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is the gospel of Christ, but the gospel of the Kingdom shall be
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preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations.
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And then shall the end come. So they would.
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That's what I was the abomination of desolation of
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Daniel and all that to 70 AD and say, see Paul preach the gospel
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and every nation, all creatures had heard the gospel and then
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the destruction of Jerusalem. And if you read it that way, I
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can see how they could find that in in Matthew 24.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was curious.
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What is the verse making them say that?
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, OK.
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Well, bounce into the next one here, verse 7, as he also
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learned of Epaphras, our dear fellow servant, who is for you a
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faithful minister of Christ who also declared unto us your love
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in the Spirit. So that's where we get the idea
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that that Epaphras was the guy that actually launched or, you
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know, started this church here probably or was at least heavily
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involved in it. For sure.
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He's backing him up saying that he's a faithful minister.
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He has declared unto us all your love in the spirit.
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So any, any common comments on that, Andrew?
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Or looks like you're digging into something there.
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Now you're muted. I was just looking at some
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verses that I thought of when you guys were talking about that
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in Psalm 19. One, it says the heavens declare
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the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork.
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So there are people that would say also say there's another
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angle, which is also just kind of a a theory that creation
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shares about God and the gospel for anyone that is listening,
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for anyone that is looking for anyone that will be able to
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hear. And as far as worship, if we
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don't worship the rocks will or the mountains will, his creation
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will. So in that light, you could also
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try to make that fit. But my personal opinion is that
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gospel is Jesus Christ died for the whole world and anyone that
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believes and hears it will have a life changing experience.
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To me whether everyone heard it or not, it's not significant to
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me. I don't really care except for
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the fact that I the only thing that I care is that everyone
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does here. And he tells us to preach and
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share to anyone that we can. So we all did a good job that
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would be fulfilled, would have been fulfilled a long time ago
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and still would be fulfilled to this day.
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But for some reason there's always tribes and stuff.
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That branch off and all of a sudden the gospel seems to get
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lost. But anyhow, you were wanting to.
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You were reading which verse? Verse 7 and I can let Melvin go
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so you can read that if you were.
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Go ahead, Melvin. I would have thoughts on it.
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OK. Oh, go ahead.
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To me it it again affirms that that the point that you see.
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Paul making over and over in these first verses and
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throughout the whole book is what most Christians would say
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is not good enough. It's head knowledge.
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He wants you like Paul is telling us that we need to know
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things on and on and on. It's about information, knowing
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information. And most Christians would say
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that's our problem is we have all this het knowledge, but our
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life is just I want someone to talk to me about my life.
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You know, how do I deal with this struggle in this battle?
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I don't want just as het knowledge stuff.
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I want someone to teach me some real life experiences.
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And what they don't understand is that when you have this het
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knowledge of the gospel and the and the victory that has been
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won in Christ Jesus, it will deal with your problems, your
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real life problems. The problem is, is you want God
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to do another work in your life. In your experience, you want
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someone to lay hands on you and get God to do another work when
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you could take a shortcut and just believe the work that he's
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already done and let that change your life.
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You need to hear it over and over again.
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And Paul is saying you guys have heard it like everyone else
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heard it in the world. And even the faithful minister,
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Minister, I'll name the guy, it's the Taffers.
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He's the faithful minister that you heard it from.
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Believe it, understand it and walk in it.
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It's what I take from that so. That's good.
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That's good information, Melvin. What your question was earlier
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to me, like I kind of think the line and Andrew was saying like
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to me, OK, so continuously every day there is children being
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born, right? And there is creatures being
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born. And so that tells me that God
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wants us to share the Gospel with everyone that we possibly
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can. And I had failed in that many
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times, right? That that to me that is the
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point. Whether it was done back in 7080
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or whatever, that really doesn't matter for me.
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But anyway, one thing I see in this verse 8 here that stood out
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to me is he is commenting them for their love in the spirit.
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Not just any love, but their love in the spirit.
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If you look up that word love, it's a copy love, which is a
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sacrificial love. And it's a type of love that can
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only obviously come from being in Christ or having the Spirit,
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right? Because you can love someone
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superficially, like just, you know, on the surface or
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whatever, but he was commenting them on their love in the Spirit
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and in the Holy Spirit through the Holy Spirit.
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And so I just stood out to me on verse 8.
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Good point and and. I looked, I just clicked on this
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guy's name and he's, I only mentioned three times, but
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again, I'm just to kind of, I think this is what he's saying
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in chapter 4 of Colossians verse 12, he makes the comment, he
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says a pap, a papyrus. Who is one of you, a servant of
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Christ? Saluteth you always laboring
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fervently for you in prayers that you may stand perfect and
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complete in the will of God. I mean, do you think that that
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means, I kind of think it means he was kind of maybe originally
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from there or a part of their group?
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You know, like he's one of them. I like in a literal sense, like
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one of their own, which is interesting.
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I don't know if that means he's heard the gospel somewhere else
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and he's the one brought it to that, you know, like he's heard
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it somewhere else and brought it to his own community.
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Or if he just comes in there and is a part of that church from
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somewhere else, but he's called one of their own.
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And I just thought that was kind of an interesting tidbit that he
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is called one of their own there in chapter 4.
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But that was really all I had on verse 7.
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Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, he was.
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He was definitely. What do they call that?
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Indigenous? Yeah.
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A native to that area. Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah, those are the things that kind of stand out to me about it
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as well, is that Epaphras was like a missionary out traveling
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along with the apostle Paul, but he recognized Colossi as his
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place. He was to them a faithful
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minister. He was from there originally.
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And like you, like Aaron pointed out later in Colossians, he
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actually refers to him as one of you.
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And so it's a a little subtle challenge to all of us.
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Are you of somebody? Are you of a place?
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Do you have a community? Do you have people who you call
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your own? Sometimes we can get so
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exclusive in our Christianity that we belong nowhere.
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We call no people our own. Nobody can fit with our
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theology. And we're like an island to
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ourselves, right? Like, this is me.
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And Paul clearly labeled Apophis as one of them.
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And so he had faithfully ministered to them and he
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clearly identified with them. Whether that's culturally or
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somehow on a familial level, I don't know exactly.
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Nobody really knows, but it's a it's a good way to argue for the
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idea that you should belong to a group somewhere.
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You should be known in a group somewhere.
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You should not be a stranger to everybody.
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Somewhere there should be people who know you and you know them,
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right? Yeah, and he was obviously back
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and forth with Paul about this there in verse 70 declared unto
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Paul or his people about their love and stuff.
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So he was he was definitely active in in between there.
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OK, verse 9 says for this, 'cause we also, since the day we
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heard it, do not cease to pray for you and to desire that ye
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might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all
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wisdom and spiritual understanding.
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And I'm going to stop there because there's just too much to
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cover. Even though there's not a period
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there. But I find this really
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fascinating. And back to what Andrew was
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saying earlier, it is interesting that Paul, when he
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writes this, he says that his desire would be that they would
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be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and
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spiritual understanding. Not to get some experience, not
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to get, you know, over into whatever else, but you
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understand and know God as if that was the solution to their
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problem, if they had one. And I just that is not preached
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in the in the churches today. It just isn't.
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And it's, it's frustrating actually about when you, when
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you think about that, isn't it, Andrew?
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That is the big missing link, but a lot of other stuff is
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preached. Something that connects with
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your emotions and gives you a hope of deliverance, maybe
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someday. I felt like I made progress this
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Sunday. I felt like somebody finally
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understood me. I talked to so and so and he
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hurt me out and I feel a lot better.
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I'm finding hope I think. I'm going to make it.
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I see a little. Light at the end of the tunnel
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and it's human humanology, if you want to call it, or whatever
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humanism it's, it's trying to deal with your problems and
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what. Paul's whole point of Colossians
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is, is that we understand the effects of the cross, the effect
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that that blood had, the fact that that cross had in nailing
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all the ordinances. And our problems to the cross.
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The completion. The completion.
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That that worked in the cross. Had for our souls, for our
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lives, the delivering power and over principalities and powers
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and like those are all things that we need to understand
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spiritual things that we need to understand so we don't fall for
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this stupid humanist experiential failing.
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Things that give you a hope, that is, that is you can see and
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feel, but it it, it leaves you hanging, but it keeps you coming
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back to another human being. That he himself doesn't have the
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answer and is trying to give you another human experience.
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We need a Jesus experience, a Christ risen Savior experience,
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someone that fully won the victory and someone that is
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fully able to to deliver anyone that would come unto him and.
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That is what is missing, Leon. Like you were saying, it is
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missing and it comes again, he says.
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He's praying for you all the time, like again all the time.
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And what's he praying for? Understanding that they, they
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would understand what they heard, you know, spiritual
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wisdom, spiritual understanding. And it all makes sense to me,
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But evidently it's not very popular.
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Yeah, it requires a little bit of attention to the matter.
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Actually, it's not just ear butter.
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Ear fluff. No one.
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Yeah, I think the reason that this kind of thing is not
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preached or taught, you would say, in most churches is because
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in most churches there's pastors or other people that are trying
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to be between God and man or between Jesus and man.
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They're trying to be the media here, so to speak.
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And so Paul is making it very clear, but we just read in verse
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seven, I think it was that he said that ye knew the grace of
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the Lord. You know, he's making a point.
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We brought it to you, you heard it, but you know it like in
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other words, it's the idea is is that we are in connection with
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God through the Holy Spirit, through Jesus Christ dying on
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the cross and resurrecting again.
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Then we have connection. We come to the throne of grace
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boldly like we read in Hebrews right.
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And so that is what is the way the Bible lays it out.
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But most people they want to be in between.
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It seems like man and God and it's just I don't know why.
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I guess it's a maybe it's power that they're after or trying to
31:43
look more spiritual or whatever. I mean, I've even myself have
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fallen into that trap, so to speak, where people are coming
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to me and asking me for wisdom or whatever.
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And I'm start to get puffed up and think that I'm actually
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somebody like and, and, and really all we need to be doing
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is pointing them to Jesus and, and his gospel, right?
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And that Jesus can heal you and, and fix you and, you know, guide
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them to that and not try. And you know me.
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It's not about about me. I'm just bringing the good news,
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not the good news itself. So I think that's for a lot of
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times it's misinterpreted. I do think there is an
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interesting verse in Hebrews, Hebrews chapter 3, when he says,
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well I'll start in verse 8, he says harden not your hearts as
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in the provocation in the day of temptation in the wilderness,
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when your father's tempted me, proved me and saw my works 40
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years. Wherefore I was grieved with
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that generation and said they do always air in their heart and
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they have not known my ways. Now they're I think that's such
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an astounding verse that they could have experienced all those
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things. Psalm partook of them either the
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manna then all those things and never did know who God really
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was. They didn't really know God's
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ways like they experienced them. You know, as as a partaker of
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the benefits of them, but they didn't really know his ways.
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And I think that that's what Paul part of what he's saying
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here anyway, what I see he's saying here is he wants them to
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be filled with knowledge and understanding of God, right, of
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really who he is. What you know, like, because,
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like I said, just because, just because you attend church, you
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call yourself religious, you do religious things don't mean that
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you know God, that you know his ways.
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And that's what I think he's wanting them to do is, is to
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really know God's ways and who he is.
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And, and I mean, I just granted, I'll, I'll allow that there's
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two sides to that. There is things that the Spirit
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just reveals to a person that that's his job, right?
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He's a revealer of truth. But I also think that there is
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something to be said for knowing God's word because that is where
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the testimony of God is, right? It's in his word.
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That's that's where you would know the story of God.
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I mean, whether you're somebody tells it to you, you read it, or
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however you come across it, you learn God's ways by his word,
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right? I mean, that is his, that is his
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testifying of himself. And then the Spirit reveals
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those truths that you could have never got with an education or
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with, you know, like worldly wisdom.
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But I don't know. That's what I thought about when
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that's all that words. Good points.
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Yeah, this, we mentioned it in the previous study already of
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the first part of Colossians. But many times when you hear
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about someone that's a Christian or a new Christian or something,
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you only start praying for them when they're having struggles,
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when they're facing opposition, when they're having some sort of
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difficulty. But here, when he heard of their
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love toward one another, when he heard of their faith and all
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these positive things that he was hearing, it says we cease
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not to pray. From the day we heard of it, we
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heard that you loved each other. And so we started praying.
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And most Christians, like we kind of pointed out, you already
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would jump to verse 10, at least the first portion of verse 10,
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and say, I'm praying that you would walk worthy of the Lord.
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I'm praying that you would have a lot of fruit.
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But the apostle Paul does it differently.
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He says, I pray that you would be filled with the knowledge of
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his will with all spiritual wisdom and understanding so that
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you will walk worthy in the Lord so that you would bear much
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fruit and so that again, full circle, you'd be filled with the
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knowledge of his will. I know you're we're jumping
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ahead here a little bit, but your first thought shouldn't be.
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I want them to walk pure, pure and free from sin.
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I want them to do a really good job.
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I want them to share the gospel. Well, what they need is
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knowledge of God's will is so understanding.
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What they need is to know Christ and to revel in His goodness and
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His grace. Don't preach righteousness
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imputed and then quickly say, but you need to get to work.
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Don't preach your position in Christ and say you're dead and
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freed from sin, but now you better go and walk in
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righteousness. Let someone be saturated with
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the goodness and grace of God and be filled with the knowledge
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of His will, and it will produce verse 10 so that you might walk
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worthy. It's when your understanding is
36:57
correct, when your mind is in the right place, when your heart
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is fixated on the love of God, the grace of God, your
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undeserving acceptance by God, that the walk starts to
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straighten out, that the life starts to line with the truth
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that it holds. We first get that part clear and
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right. And so even though these verses
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are 910 like 1 after the other, I think there should be a heavy
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emphasis on verse 9 and the result will be verse 10.
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Absolutely. I I mean they're particularly in
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that order for a reason and not the other way around.
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You know, I mean it. What causes us to walk worthy of
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the Lord unto all pleasing? You know, we got to have a
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reason to go there. We can't, we can't walk that
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walk unless we understand the God that we're actually supposed
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to be walking after. So that that is really good
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stuff. Verse 10 that you might walk
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worthy of. This has been mentioned already
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of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good
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work and increasing in the knowledge of God.
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And this just goes on and on. By the way, it is one paragraph.
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Verse 9 through 17 is all one paragraph it is and and he was
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on a roll here. He just he just kept on going
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about what what he expected here and increasing in the knowledge
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you got. I just this is I got a quite a
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bit of highlighting on my Bible. This section is so good stuff,
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Andrew. Yeah, this is what he's
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building. Up to this whole.
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Point is being explained. Right in front of us and we
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always look right over, right so that you might walk worthy of
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the Lord unto all pleasing being fruitful in every good work.
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By what means? Based on knowledge and wisdom
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and spiritual understanding. Our position in Christ.
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Then he tells us where our strength comes from, our power
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comes from. But you said a whole list of the
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work of Christ, and he keeps building that up all the way to
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chapter 2. And what's this whole point?
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If we have spiritual wisdom and spiritual understanding, we know
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what our Savior did and we believe it and we know where the
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victory is at. We won't be beguiled by some
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man. We won't be beguiled and
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bewitched and taken away by some humanistic experience because
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we're smarter than that. We have more wisdom than that.
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We have spiritual understanding. We, we know what Christ did and
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we have tasted it and we're walking in it and it, it's real.
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It's not. You see, when you receive that
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knowledge, it does affect your whole body.
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It does affect your whole mental state.
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When, when the problem what we're having is, is we're always
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trying to water soil, thinking we're watering a plant.
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You know, the plant has to 1st be planted like the seed has to
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be planted, then it grows, and then you spray it for parasites
39:56
or whatever. But we're walking around
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spraying dirt hoping it'll bring forth fruit like there's a plant
40:02
there or something. And we need to focus on the fact
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that somebody needs to hear the gospel and let the gospel sprout
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some fruit in your life, not the other way around.
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So we'll get that cart in front of the horse all the time, and
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I'm still guilty of it. You know, this is such a faith
40:23
challenge. You know, we're, I can sit here
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and say the truth confidently and like, you know, bash the the
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guiling and the witching of men or whatever, but it's a
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challenge. I am so tempted myself when
40:38
things are hard to go find somebody that can help me.
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And there's a place for that. But we need to find somebody
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that will help us in pointing us to the victor.
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There's already been 1 you see, lot we can so easily, especially
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when we're going through very difficult times as it's, I know
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for a fact that it doesn't matter how much you know, you
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can easily get drawn away and your eyes and your mind can get
41:05
focused on the dark side. You know, everything is just
41:08
coming at you all at once and it gets very difficult and you can
41:13
get off track. And that's when you can use
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another brother a, a, a Paffers or a Paul or somebody that would
41:20
say, Hey, you know what? The victor's been won.
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You need some more spiritual renewing of your mind and you
41:26
need to remember what Christ did for you.
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That's what you need right now. And that's how we help each
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other. It points us back to the cross
41:33
instead of you know what? I'll I'll be Jesus's.
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Feet here for you right now and try to somehow like Melvin was
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saying, trying to be the savior in someone else's life.
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No, it's they just need to hear about what the Savior's already
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done. That's good.
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Dangerously close to preaching there, Andrea.
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That's really good. Yeah, so like like we read in in
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verse 6 that he commented them for knowing the grace of God,
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which I pointed out was, you know, unmerited love of God
42:08
towards us through Jesus dying in the cross and resurrecting
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again. But you know, then he says in
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verse 9 in the end there that he wants them to be filled with the
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knowledge of, of his will in all wisdom and spiritual
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understanding. And then he says that in verse
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10 that he wants them to increase in the knowledge of
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God. And so my point in all these
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things that he is pointing out that he's praying for them and
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that they need, you know, spiritual understanding and,
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and, and all these things is in Christ.
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It's in Christ. It's not some other, you know,
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whatever feeling or or thing that is coming from whatever it
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is our position in Christ and understanding that is where
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these this knowledge of God, this knowing what his will is
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for us and spiritual understanding is coming from.
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I like so well in Galatians I had this verse or not Galatians,
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Second Corinthians 11/3. Paul says this and this, this
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verse came to my mind and it's so good.
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I've come to this verse often he says, but I fear he's fearing
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for the Corinthian church. He says, but I fear lest by any
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means as the serpent begoud Eve through his subtility, so your
43:30
mind should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in
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Christ. And I think it's so good.
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We need to understand who we are in Christ and that is where our
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power comes from and our spiritual understanding and all
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those things come from. And when we understand that,
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everything else is going to fall into place, you know, like
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fruit, bringing forth fruit and all those loving our brother,
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you know, all those things fall into line.
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And oftentimes we try and get those other things in line
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before we understand our positioning price.
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That's good, Aaron. It's I was looking for a verse
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as I was talking, I just thought of something as a as you all was
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talking there Anyway, I'll just, I couldn't find it right quick.
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But it I think it's interesting that he makes a circle here
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because he says that he, he was praying that they might be
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filled with the knowledge of his will and all wisdom and
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spiritual understanding. Verse 9, as you all pointed out,
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the the product of that will be when they get this understanding
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that they will be able to walk and all pleasing and then
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produce fruit. And then he says and increasing
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in the knowledge of God. So I almost want to go back to
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what I said earlier in the sense that that it's it's like you
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could you could have this so shallow.
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A person does not have to come to some great understanding of
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all kinds of mysteries to be saved.
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It, it's, it's, it's a very simple, I mean, like, like
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Melvin read there the simplicity of this in Christ.
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It, it is so such a, a simple story.
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And you could, you could understand that and be saved by
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that by believing that simple story that you heard.
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And then you move on from that to what I said earlier and you
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actually start being like Moses was and you start having this
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relationship with God in which you learn who he is.
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You know, it's like the verse I was looking for is when it's
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when Aaron and Miriam are kind of rebelling against him and and
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God calls him out and he says, hey, if I'm going to show 1 of
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you all something, it's going to be in a vision or in a dream.
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He says Moses is not that way. I talked to him face to face,
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right? Like we he knows me.
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It's not in dark sayings. I think he says in that verse,
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it's not in this in this kind of at a distance, at this friend of
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mine that's at a distance. We have a relationship and I
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think that that is what to me, that's the second layer of this
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and increasing in the knowledge of God.
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I think you go, you should go your lifetime and and learn more
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and more of who God really is. Like I see it.
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I see it when I'm going through even especially an Old
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Testament, like I see lots of things about God as I teach
46:46
through it on Wednesday nights. I see these things about God
46:50
and, and I do, I grow in my knowledge of who he is based on
46:56
those things that I see. And I, and I think that that's,
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so I just said that to distinguish between a very
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shallow understanding will get you saved, but you can increase
47:05
in knowledge of God as you go along.
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Absolutely. Which will make you more
47:12
profitable to the other Saints and things like that.
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Yep. Damn.
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Yeah, Aaron read this verse before, but Epaphras in verse 12
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of chapter 4, he prays for the Colossians also.
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He says he's always laboring fervently in prayers that ye
47:29
stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
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And so God wants, Paul wants us to stand complete in the will of
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God, but he understands that it's not through external
47:43
instruction. It's not through touch, not
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taste, not handle, not as he's going to expound on in the next
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chapter, that you understand and know who God is.
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It is only by grace through faith.
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It is through understanding of who he is and what he's done
47:56
that we gain that access to God and have that relationship to
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him. And so that's what helps you to
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walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, all pleasing.
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And then like Aaron said, I was going to point out the same
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thing. He he starts with knowledge and
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he goes back to knowledge the same way as in second Peter
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chapter 1 where he talks about give all diligence.
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He says give all diligence to add to your faith, virtue and to
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virtue knowledge. So you need faith, simple gospel
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faith, just believe Christ what he's done, and then you add to
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that virtue and then knowledge. Then he says temperance and
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patience and godliness, brotherly kindness, charity.
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If these things be in you in a in a bound, they shall make you
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that you be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of
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our Lord Jesus. So he starts with knowledge and
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he wraps it all up with knowledge again.
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So the whole time you're constantly increasing in the
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knowledge of who he is, not just like my my one friend.
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He quotes a very Mennonite pastor as as saying something
48:58
along this line. He says at our church, we don't
49:00
believe theology. You know, he said it in a very
49:03
Mennonite way, right? What he was saying was we don't
49:06
believe in this idea of just arguing about sentiment or the
49:11
way that you got to say it or what this theologian said versus
49:15
what this theologian said. What this plain simple Mennonite
49:18
pastor was trying to say was we believe the Bible.
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We just simply trust who God is. So the knowledge that we have is
49:25
not just, you know, doctrinal statements, it's knowing God
49:31
personally and and that results in an actual walk that actually
49:37
pleases the Lord. Sometimes people have this
49:39
mentality that nothing we do impresses him, nothing we do
49:43
pleases him. But he says if you're filled
49:45
with the knowledge of His will and your mind is fixated on who
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he is and your attention and your mind is set on things
49:52
above, then you can walk worthy of the Lord.
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You can actually please Him in all things.
49:58
You can live a life that actually honors God and actually
50:01
pleases Him, where God smiles upon you.
50:04
And as you're doing good works, you'll be filled again with the
50:07
knowledge of His will more and more so, or the knowledge of God
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Himself. Man, that's so good that is that
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is good information. I'm going to we'll go do 11 yet
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just we'll keep it as concise as we can strengthen with all might
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according to his glorious power unto all patience and
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long-suffering with joyfulness. And I would just say based on
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the previous verse here, and I'll let you go, Andrew, if you
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want to be strengthened with All Might, get more knowledge of
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God. If you want glorious power and
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his glorious power, more knowledge, patience, more
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knowledge long. So you want to be
50:47
long-suffering, learn of God, learn.
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Do you want to be joyful? Learn of him, Learn of him.
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Learn of God. That's what he's saying.
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He's saying the solution to joyful, the way to get choice of
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joyfulness is to know God. Isn't that cool?
51:04
That's so simple and so clean and.
51:08
Absolutely beautiful. I'm I mean, I always thought I
51:13
understood these passages pretty good, but man, just going
51:16
through it verse by verse again, it's just he.
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Like, like God. Does over and over and over and
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over. Tells the same thing over and
51:25
over to try to get it through our thick skulls that you might
51:29
strengthen it with All Might. So if we're strengthened with
51:33
All Might from Christ, then that kind of covers it all, doesn't
51:37
it? That covers all the might that
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we need. That's every might, that's all
51:44
of them, and also every power. So that brings us to this.
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If all the victory and all the power is from Christ and that is
51:54
the source where it all comes from, then why don't we point
51:59
people to that every time there's a lack of power, a lack
52:03
of wisdom, a lack of whatever? If that is the source, then why
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are we trying to stand in the gap?
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You know, that brings us? See, I just thought of the.
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Book of Colossians in a nutshell.
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The it's. To tell you the full power and
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the victory and everything that is in Christ Jesus.
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The true gospel that delivers you and changes you, but a
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gospel that has been messed with is not a gospel like Paul says
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in Galatians, in the book of Colossians says many have been
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have spoiled the gospel of Christ, it's ruined.
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What do you think when you think of that most?
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Well, I shouldn't say that. How do you know when the gospel?
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Was messed with. It's when they say Jesus wants
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to be everything in your life but.
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You know when they go but. Jesus brought you to victory,
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but Jesus washed your sins away. But you need to do this, this
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this this Jesus made every day alike but.
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Eat this day. Jesus did made everything's
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right, you know he fulfilled the law.
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But don't eat this meat. What that is, it's a perfectly a
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perfect can or cup of coffee. That is the absolute best
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coffee. But somebody peed in it and I'm
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supposed to drink it. And that is what we're drinking
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in most churches today. Oh, we share the gospel.
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We love the gospel of Jesus Christ, but it's defiled.
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It's beguiled. Somebody peed in it.
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Yeah. They say the truth, but then
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they ruin it. They ruin it with a little bit
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of poison. You know, you can drink a cup of
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coffee, that is all perfect except one drop of poison.
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It will kill you. So I think that's a nutshell of
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the book of Colossians is that I don't care how much someone says
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they preach the gospel. Even the prosperity preachers,
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they preached a lot about understanding who we are in
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Christ Jesus. But then they come around a
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little part of the law. Oh, if you give God money, God
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will give you what your flesh wants.
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God is just waiting to get you what your flesh wants.
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You know it's. Why pee in a good perfect cup of
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coffee, you know? Yeah, and, and the word spoiled
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you. What spoiled actually means to
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take the power away from the value away from Like if if a if
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a enemy spoils a city, they take all the valuables you think
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about. Like when you spoil, you know
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when the God of the word of God gets spoiled.
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All the powers gone, all the values gone, all you have is an
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empty cuss that's worth nothing. Yeah, All right.
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The thing that came to my mind, I guess when I read this, it
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says according to his glorious power, you know, there's so many
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Christians that are longing or seeking after, you know, the
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power of the spirit and the power of God.
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You know, the, they're doing whatever they possibly can, you
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know, to gain that power, to try and get that power or more of it
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or whatever. And I think we do, you know, get
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more power. What is how does he say why we
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get courting his glorious power through the knowledge of God,
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like you pointed out, Leon, through understanding who God is
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and having a relationship with him.
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But the thing that point that stands out to me is this
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glorious power. Look what he says about His
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glorious power. He says it is unto all patience,
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long-suffering, with joyfulness. So in other words, many people
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want His power. But the is He says that that
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with that power there should be patience and long-suffering and
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joyfulness. You don't hear people talk about
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that so much, right, when they're talking about the power
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of the glorious power of God. But he says that's what it
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should look like. It should be patience,
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long-suffering and joyfulness. And so anyway, that just stood
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out to me, and in the mighty way.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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I think that a lot of those characteristics that he says are
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going to come out like patience and long-suffering and
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joyfulness are they are. Like.
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Attributes of God, would you agree with, you know, like he is
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the Bible talks about how patient and long-suffering he is
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and real joy would come from him and I and I just think that
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that's I do think that that is almost a as you learn who God
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is. It is almost a byproduct.
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You you what's I mean, there's other verses like that.
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You're going to become like him, right?
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I mean that is going to come out of you as you learn who he is.
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Then it is going to make you increase in patience and
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long-suffering and joyfulness because there is AI mean.
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I see that as I as I really understand who he is.
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It makes it makes me joyful. It makes me more want to be
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long-suffering than I am because I see his, you know, like the
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what does he say? The goodness of God leadeth thee
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to repentance, You know, like I mean, you know, you see that and
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it produces the same in you. So I really do.
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I think that that's those are characteristics of himself that
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will come out and you as you learn of who he is.
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But. Yeah, that's good stuff.
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I am. Nope.
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You're me. I got you.
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Thank you. This is obviously still part of
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the Apostle Paul's prayer. You said earlier, Leon, that
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from verse 9 to 17 was all one paragraph, but it is actually
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all still just one sentence. And I think you may have meant
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that, but it just keeps going. It's this is 1 prayer
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strengthened with all might. So what are we going to need to
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progress and walk worthy of the Lord?
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We need the strength of his might, all of might, like Andrew
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mentioned, because like Melvin mentioned, I'm kind of repeating
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a lot of what you've said. There's going to be difficulty
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and trials in the Christian life.
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You're going to need something that's outside of this world to
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anchor your soul to, as we learned of Hebrews.
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Do you need something that's consistent and steadfast and
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immovable that will keep your soul?
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Because now that you have the gospel, you're going to have
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difficulties and trials and tribulations and all kinds of
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sufferings going to come upon you.
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And you're going to need the strength of God and the glorious
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power of God so that you can go through difficulties and trials
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with patience and joyfulness even when you're suffering for a
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long time. I thought of Romans chapter 8
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where he says in verse 11, but if the spirit of him that raised
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up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ
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from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by the Spirit
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that dwells in you. So understanding the in in
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knowing what Christ has done back there in that he was
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crucified and raised from the dead empowers us here and now.
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In Ephesians chapter 1, he's has a very similar prayer, but he
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kind of expands it even further after praying that the eyes of
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their understanding would be enlightened, that they would
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know what is their calling, what the riches are, the inheritance,
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the greatness of His power to us.
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Word He says in verse 19, what is the exceeding greatness of
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His power to us? Word according to the working of
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His mighty power, which He wrought in Christ.
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So there is an exceeding great power toward us.
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That God wrought in Christ, he's not wroting it in you.
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He's not trying to work a great power in you.
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He wrought a great power when it says in verse 18 or verse 20
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rather, which He wrought in Christ when He raised him from
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the dead and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly
1:00:25
places. There was a power that is now at
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our disposal by understanding what He has done that we have
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access to because He wrought it in Christ.
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And it's too many Christians are sitting around waiting for
1:00:40
something to happen, waiting for some spiritual gift, waiting for
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some power from on high. When He says understand and know
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who I am, go out and serve people, the power and the
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Spirit, all that will come. He'll give you patience and
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long-suffering and joyfulness through it all because of the
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great power that He wrought when He raised up Christ from the
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dead. Hallelujah.
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That's like drinking V8. That's good stuff.
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That's a good. Cup of coffee.
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Yeah, for sure. All right.
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However, we're 5 minutes past, so we are going to kick on out
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of here. Presenters, guys, I want you to
1:01:18
hang on. Afterward, we're going to have a
1:01:20
little discussion here about a few things before we before you
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hop off, then let us get the everything shut down.
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So yeah, anyway, thanks for being with us tonight.
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Appreciate it guys. Have a good week.
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God bless you. We'll be back in here in
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Colossians chapter one, verse 12 next Monday, Same time, same
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place. Find previous recordings on our
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website. We always do our YouTube
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channel, podcast, whatever I think this is is really
1:01:48
beneficial, very helpful and definitely strengthening.
1:01:51
So yeah, we'll see you the next time.
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Same place, same time. We'll see you.