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The Healing Power of Music: 432Hz, Sound Frequencies & Consciousness with Carter Fox · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Willow Healing Matters, the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're so excited to have you joining us on this journey
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  SPEAKER_02: where we explore different ways to empower your soul,
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  SPEAKER_02: whether it's healing in your kitchen or all the way up in the corporate world.
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  SPEAKER_02: Come with us as we look into different ways to heal your mind, body and soul.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey beautiful souls, it is Catherine Crestani here and I wanted to have a chat with you about
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey everyone,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing Matters
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  SPEAKER_02: and today I'm joined by Carter Fox.
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  SPEAKER_02: He is an award-winning bassist,
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  SPEAKER_02: producer,
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  SPEAKER_02: author and music business educator whose career spans touring,
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  SPEAKER_02: recording and entrepreneurship.
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  SPEAKER_02: He has performed and collaborated with authors across jazz, R&B,
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  SPEAKER_02: electronic and experimental music,
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  SPEAKER_02: toured internationally and released original music with millions of streams.
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  SPEAKER_02: In addition to his work as a musician,
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  SPEAKER_02: Carter writes and teaches about the music industry in the intersection of music,
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  SPEAKER_02: science,
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  SPEAKER_02: and curiosity,
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  SPEAKER_02: including his book,
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  SPEAKER_02: Exploring Cosmic Melodies,
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  SPEAKER_02: which explores the connection between sound, space, and human experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: So a big welcome to the show, Carter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me, Catherine.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking forward to our chat today.
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  SPEAKER_02: So straight away,
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  SPEAKER_02: I am pulled to what led you to even writing this book and what inspired you to get
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  SPEAKER_02: to this point?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, it's a book that it's my love letter to my two inspirations of my life, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Music and space.
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  SPEAKER_00: And honestly,
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  SPEAKER_00: ever since I was a young child,
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  SPEAKER_00: I was very heavily inspired by looking up at the stars by...
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  SPEAKER_00: Music has a very similar...
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  SPEAKER_00: Interconnectedness to it as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And throughout my life,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's always been together, mixing science, mixing music, mixing art, mixing math.
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  SPEAKER_00: And came a time after writing some other books about music business,
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  SPEAKER_00: I finally just let myself sit back and be inspired.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I happen to also write a bunch of music directly related to astrology
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  SPEAKER_00: and astronomy and metaphysical and physical aspects of things,
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  SPEAKER_00: how it feels to our spirits and our souls,
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  SPEAKER_00: as well as our bodies and the physical aspects.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the book just kind of flew out of me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just me studying things and regurgitating in a way my own inspirations.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's exploring cosmic melodies.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just seeing that connection between music and space.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's just as human as anything else we experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that because I know how powerful frequencies can be,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: there's all that talk about
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  SPEAKER_03: how they've changed the frequency that music,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know, comes across the radar.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then it's less healing than it used to be, which is so fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: so when you started,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, dabbling with this more, what are some things that you found?
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  SPEAKER_02: Look at me being curious.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, first of all,
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  SPEAKER_00: what a really amazing piece of history and science and connection you just said,
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  SPEAKER_00: because we talk about 440 hertz,
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  SPEAKER_00: the tuning A naturally, and that's what you're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for a long time,
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  SPEAKER_00: up until maybe 200 years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: when a bunch And that hurt is if you look at,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you tune different notes to those frequencies and those relative frequencies
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  SPEAKER_00: across different scales.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's one of those little things you start discovering about what
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  SPEAKER_00: that could mean across our universe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And ourselves,
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  SPEAKER_00: even how,
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  SPEAKER_00: something I really find interesting,
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  SPEAKER_00: I always bring it up almost when I bring my book up,
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  SPEAKER_00: is the ancient culture connection with space and music and what that meant to them
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  SPEAKER_00: because it was metaphysical to them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're telling their history, their stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's all about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Think about how they're connected to the universe around them, the Earth, each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had such an ancient cultures across the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: Africa, Native Americans, across Europe, across India, across Asia, everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: They always felt that connection when you look up at the stars And they created music to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what they were creating to celebrate in their culture,
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  SPEAKER_00: yearly celebrations, annual,
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  SPEAKER_00: beyond how we just kind of use it both as background noise and celebratory now.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were using it to record the movement of the stars,
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  SPEAKER_00: the marriage of the kings and queens,
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  SPEAKER_00: the yearly celebration, the annual celebrations.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Taking the music they wrote and trying to equate it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So India has these things called ragas in their music.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's specifically based on cosmic observation from a long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like off time and off feeling to us,
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  SPEAKER_00: more myself in the Western style of music with four,
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  SPEAKER_00: four beats and four on the floor, what we're used to nowadays.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there's such a different feeling and it evokes different Healing and feeling
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  SPEAKER_00: and emotion inside you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you go to sound baths and these different experiences,
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  SPEAKER_00: which I'm sure you have a lot of experience with too,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's what they're kind of bringing forth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what the study is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And using the tones of the drums and the rhythm patterns that are different
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  SPEAKER_00: and That's been ancient cultural music for a very long time, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as we've gone through history itself and we get to the Renaissance
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  SPEAKER_00: and Romantic periods and kind of the birth of the Western styles of music,
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  SPEAKER_00: they still took that inspiration.
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  SPEAKER_00: That combination of astrology and astronomy,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can look up the planets,
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  SPEAKER_00: Gustav Holt's famous works,
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  SPEAKER_00: which has much to do as astronomy,
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  SPEAKER_00: looking at Jupiter and looking at Mars and looking at the science going on as it did
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  SPEAKER_00: as looking at the spiritual sides and how the moon And that's just as much to do
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  SPEAKER_00: with everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's still true today.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's artists who are just as inspired by that side.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's my case, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting excited already.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: I get excited thinking about this, learning about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: My soul is resonating right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm getting the goosebumps.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's just, it's just what my passions are in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some people feel this way about so many things and different things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is for me, I'm like, boom, this is how I'm connected to the universe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I want to share that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's where the book kind of comes from.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's all the difference.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to explore this too with me, that's what the book really will cover.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that so much.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I love that you brought up Mercury because we just stepped out
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  SPEAKER_02: of Mercury Retrograde when we're filming this right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: That being conscious of that too and without being aware of it growing up,
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  SPEAKER_00: I kind of was always thinking about that while even just looking through telescopes
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  SPEAKER_00: and learning about cosmology,
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  SPEAKER_00: the history of the universe as much as what it means when cosmology,
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  SPEAKER_00: What it means when the little bits of everything is pulling on each other,
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  SPEAKER_00: like the placement of the planets and the stars and the black holes and the pulsars.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's always discussions of what is that affecting physically,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I think a lot of science is catching up to the aura,
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  SPEAKER_00: the frequency, the balance of what we really do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything interacts with everything, macro, micro.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's why I think it's just as important to do with music and messing with all that
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  SPEAKER_00: as it is to study space and the stars.
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  SPEAKER_02: A hundred percent.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I feel it's interesting too,
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  SPEAKER_02: because I feel like when you establish that connection that's bigger than you,
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  SPEAKER_02: it allows you to start to step into expanding your capabilities because all of
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  SPEAKER_02: a sudden you're like,
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  SPEAKER_02: well, I'm just like this little element in, you know, a bigger, bigger scale.
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  SPEAKER_02: But how can I capture that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or how can I, you know, and I feel it almost gives you this sense of courage.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just like, well, I'm just going to put it out there and see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I love that sense of courage.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always say seek growth and hopefully the inspiration of my music or these writings
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  SPEAKER_00: or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you said,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's kind of funny too,
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  SPEAKER_00: not to go on a tangent, but even thinking about chemistry, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You just said elements,
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  SPEAKER_00: but how literally the individual come together and we create water to hydrogen
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  SPEAKER_00: and oxygen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we combine with other people and we combine with other minds to grow and
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  SPEAKER_00: To connect it even back even more, that's waves coming together to create harmony.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything is a wave form, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's where my brain always just takes off with music and space.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, waves and sounds, it's beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would love to see inside your brain when you're having those moments.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just saw these images of like beautiful colors and then stars and black holes
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  SPEAKER_02: and all those
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  SPEAKER_00: fun things.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's a little bit of synthasia, I think, in my mind too, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: When you like you hear,
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  SPEAKER_00: I've always described that every time I can shut my eyes and I'll like hear music
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  SPEAKER_00: and see the picture.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like when I produce music,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm already like,
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  SPEAKER_00: Hearing the next thing,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I'm sure this is how a lot of us work,
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  SPEAKER_00: like you can experiment and build,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I like just listening back to the track and then just imagining in your brain,
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  SPEAKER_00: you hear the next harmony, you hear the next piece, you see that in your mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what looking up at the stars and just studying about different things going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so much going on in space learning right now in science and mental learning
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  SPEAKER_00: and metaphysical learning all the time right now,
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  SPEAKER_00: like the combination of We talk about,
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  SPEAKER_00: not to go down again another tangent,
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  SPEAKER_00: but just thinking about quantum computing and then the fact that that is light
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  SPEAKER_00: and crystal and fourth dimensional aspects,
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  SPEAKER_00: people many years ago would be like, that's something different.
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  SPEAKER_00: But now we're beginning to understand so much more,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is such a cool aspect of things, a great awakening in that aspect.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's like, you know, people are like, oh, it's just a crystal quartz.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like you have quartz in everything in your home.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you have technology, there's quartz in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're like, what?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that's what creates the electrical currents and everything else like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you've got silicon in there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's talk about silica, you know, like all these sorts of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think a lot of the time we discount those smaller components that make up
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  SPEAKER_02: a big thing, which I feel leads me to my next question.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when you're producing or you have a piece of music come in,
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it that you're aiming to create a certain emotion that comes across or
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  SPEAKER_02: a certain feeling or you want to trigger some sort of remembrance?
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  SPEAKER_02: What kind of inspires you to get to the next point?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes it's one way and sometimes it's the other,
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  SPEAKER_00: but depending on my exact emotion at that moment myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: But honestly,
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  SPEAKER_00: when I'm producing,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking for an emotion that I'm evoking in myself and the story itself,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you will, story that it's telling.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever that may be.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't usually write lyrics,
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  SPEAKER_00: so the story is very different for every person who may listen to my song,
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  SPEAKER_00: all my different things.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for me, I'm trying to evoke a certain sense of awe, a certain sense of inspiration, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're flying on a plane for the first time and you look out the window
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  SPEAKER_00: and you see that scenery, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: When you look over all the beautiful coasts of Australia or,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: I recently got into,
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  SPEAKER_00: I flew across the world to go to Thailand and play in Asia a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And literally like from where I am in the US,
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  SPEAKER_00: I flew to Switzerland and just getting to look out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, it's that, wow, we're so small.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're so connected.
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  SPEAKER_00: We got to be, you know, what a miracle it is for us to be And I'm like...
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: To each their own, as long as it, at the end of the day, kind of gets you to do something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, for me personally,
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  SPEAKER_00: I always just want you,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, it's inspired by space video games being good to each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's like my main inputs, you know, my motivators.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the output is just for you,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, inspire you to learn more, seek growth, take another step forward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even you don't have to go invent something brand new out there,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you can go on a walk outside if you haven't gone outside, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can learn something new about the world, about space that you maybe weren't interested in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something that just triggers you a little bit to be inspired.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And for anyone playing along at home, write that down.
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  SPEAKER_02: What inspires you and go do that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because my pet hate, Carter, is when people say to me, wow, you're so inspiring.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, have you gone and changed anything or gone to do something?
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  SPEAKER_02: They're like, no.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well, I'm not inspiring you enough.
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  SPEAKER_02: Enough, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: For me, if I'm sharing something inspirational or you're inspired,
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  SPEAKER_02: you need to go act upon that because otherwise you're ignoring part
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  SPEAKER_02: of you that's pulling you towards something bigger or pulling you towards
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  SPEAKER_02: that next step.
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  SPEAKER_02: So thank you for bringing up that inspiration thing, even if it's just a walk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if it's just a walk, because who knows?
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  SPEAKER_00: I love walking meditations, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like one of my favorites.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a clear head.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can think of things and solve those problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: You might have just gotten too flabbergasted.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope you're inspired to go take a walk out there just by listening to us today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Without your phone, without your phone, without looking at your phone.
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  SPEAKER_02: Unless you're listening to us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Unless you're listening to this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or you've got some of Carter's music on.
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  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_00: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything else though, you don't need the phone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy nature.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have a question.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's some,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: some songs and some artists and they'll just get stuck in your head or you've,
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  SPEAKER_02: I've heard the beautiful singers and I know they've like recorded them
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  SPEAKER_02: because their voices like got this certain frequency.
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  SPEAKER_02: It just heals people in the room and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is there a way that you try and capture that in your music or you're purely just,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, going for gold?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or like being a producer, I'm like, how do you even capture that in music?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's such another kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that goes back to just being a music producer and a musician.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, how do you capture that feeling?
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  SPEAKER_00: We always describe it,
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  SPEAKER_00: me and my bandmates and fellow musicians,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: anyone we work with,
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  SPEAKER_00: any musician person would probably say it's like capturing lightning in a bottle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any creative, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: Would, could say that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's the interesting thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you start with someone who's great, has a great voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of my favorite things to do is go to like coffee houses and like
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  SPEAKER_00: the jazz clubs, like the smaller ones where it's acoustic, more acoustic.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's really the frequencies touching,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, vibrating against you and the singers are just amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's all about them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's ironic because I do instrumental music myself,
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  SPEAKER_00: musically, but I love the acoustic singer-songwriter.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what I just try to capture is the same feeling.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what we try to do so many different ways,
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: whether that's setting up to record in a So who's recording feels a certain way,
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: or we set up a certain quote unquote vibe.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be cheesy, but literally setting up the vibe, put on the mood lighting.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: You can't see it this way, but I have a beautiful soundboard, not soundboard, but soundproofing.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's a picture of the earth from the moon,
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: not to be on brand about myself,
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: but It's like I'm looking down from the moon on earth every time I'm sitting
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: at my studio desk to work right now.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I have some lighting that will make it cool.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it puts me in that exact perspective.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you talk to the person.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: I have a collaborator who I tell them the story and I'm like,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: this is what the song's about and this is the mood we're evoking.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Again, just like I've been saying,
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: we're like you're scared or you don't know what's going on and we're coming after
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: a space war,
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: a space fight, different rocket ship kind of things and we're capturing that.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's a fun exercise to do.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's really fun to do for my own music,
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: but I also take that approach if I'm writing for film and TV or whatever else,
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: because it's the same thing.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: You're trying to evoke some kind of emotion.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: I personally just want people to be inspired to learn more.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's sometimes the biggest thing, but I love that.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: I do love that.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: And for anyone who's listening at home and they dabble in music or they're curious
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: about it or, you know, everyone, I say everyone has a song in them.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: What would be some advice to share or like to get them started or just to give them
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: a little bit of a courage or a pep talk, if you will?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Just keep going, right?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Make a song.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: We all have,
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: if you have, you know, an iPhone or the Samsung, we all have studios in our pockets.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: You can download an app and start making ideas right now.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Keep listening to a lot of music that you love and stay curious.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to make certain kind of music,
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: for example,
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: like EDM,
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Check out videos and ask questions and be curious, but just get started, right?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just take a little step.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if that's downloading a free app today on your phone or your laptop,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: that's how to make music.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: If it's Logic, if it's Pro Tools, if it's Ableton Live, just again, just get started.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the theme of today.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Just go do it.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: Go do it.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: Just do it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: The question that's popping in my head,
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: and I know I get this a lot from my book that I've written, is,
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people talk about AI and music,
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm not going to lie,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: I use AI to help create some of my backing tracks for meditation
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: because I don't know how to use all the other things and everything like that.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: But as an artist and someone that does that,
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: what do you feel is the biggest thing to watch out for with AI kind of creeping
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: in more into creating music?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: I feel that lyrics particularly,
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: I feel they don't feel the same when it comes through AI,
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: but I'd love to hear your opinion being in the music industry.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, that's a very hot topic right now.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: And some people are super embracing it and some people are really against it.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: And personally speaking, I feel there's always a level to use things and keeping things is huge.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think you kind of just touched on it a little bit.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Things that are innately human, lyrics,
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: the emotion behind stuff,
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: that's going to be the kind of differences that you feel and experience.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it's an interesting thing because I'm also someone who likes to understand...
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll see you next time.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Things were very different for that.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I think as a creator, I try to use tools in a way that I like to.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't necessarily, I know how to play music and create things.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't need to go do things from scratch all the time.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: But for people who do not know how to and kind of need little reasons,
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: it could be a very great use,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: like you mentioned, like to create little sound bath stuff.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: The only thing to watch out for,
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: and that's just for any use of an AI tool,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: you can use it to write copy for social media posts and for podcasts kind of things.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: You just got to watch out for originality, right?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like you just want to do things that are you.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And as an artist, that's more important to me than other uses.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And of course,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always of the mind of,
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: hey, but you can use some of my music for some of that stuff, hopefully.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I totally understand the creation of it for things.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: I might take you up on that, Karo.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I would love that.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: I would absolutely love it.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: I just had the coolest idea.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we could collaborate and I can do the meditation part and then you can write
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: the background part and we can release it together.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: That would be
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: really cool.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: That would be fantastic.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: And we should absolutely do that.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: That we've been inspired.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to talk to you about it afterwards.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Only because I got yesterday, so many people said to me, you need to do more meditations.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like you have to record them.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, but I just channel them.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember them.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's when you got to just remember to hit the record on your foot.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: I get that.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're as much an artist as anyone else.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's being an artist right there, right?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: The universe spoke and you're just like, it's there.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I have that problem too with songwriting.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I got this idea.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's cool.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then I never remember it.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's gone.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's like dreams.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you have to write it down in the moment.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, you just forget it 100%.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Truth.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Though sometimes,
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know about you,
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: but sometimes as I start getting tired again, this may come up as fluff too.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: As I get tired again, I actually start remembering the dream from the night before.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm getting close to the frequency.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I actually interviewed someone that does dream stuff with people.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: And what she said was,
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: if you wake up and you start to,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: I keep saying this lately,
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: but if you wake up and you have a dream and you start to forget it,
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: lay back down exactly in the same position And it will help the dream come back
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: to you quicker.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, oh.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe if you're inspired with the song,
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: maybe you have to go back to exactly where you were inspired in that moment.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: And you know how people talk about, I'm just going to recreate the thing to remember.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, if you lose something, you go back and retrace yourself.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I used AI to help me do the final edit of my book.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: AI did not write my book.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: I want to emphasize that, but it helped me edit it at the end.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like I'm using it as a tool to help refine my creativity rather
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: than replace my creativity.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the biggest thing that we want to emphasize from music
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: as well.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: And right,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: like the line,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: it's so interesting because what's the difference between that and Grammarly, right?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like using some of those tools, arguably, it's the same in a way.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's kind of the methodology.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: But to study, I always have the mind of to understand what it is, regardless of if you use it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you don't have to use AI tools if you don't want to.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: But you need to understand what they're doing and what it means and what it could do.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're an artist,
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: you don't need to use it to create music,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: but you could use it to run ads or outreach to music venues,
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: do things that you don't want to do either that help you grow, right?
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's the other avenues that I think is really cool about it.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: I definitely understand what you mean about all the social media posts
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: and everything like that.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm like, just write me a caption for this.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: I've already done the work.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: Just write me a caption that helps people find it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's the only issue,
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: not the only,
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: there's a lot of issues people can have with a lot of different things.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: when we have these discussions,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always like environmentally speaking, I hate the idea.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you have these issues,
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: but in the United States,
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: we have the data center debates and issues where they're coming in to discuss.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: But there's no environmental planning around it and everything else.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: And of course,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: the way the states is right now,
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: it's like the last thing people in power are thinking about.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: They just want the money.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a sad truth.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: So it's something to be... That's why people, I think, are...
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's the controversy and that's the thoughtfulness we need to still have
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: as creators and creative folks trying to utilize it.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I've gotten a criticism.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I get that criticism in one of my books because it was written in 2024
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: and very early onset before more of the controversy.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like, hey, if you're not a great bio writer, use chat to write your bio for your EPK.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: And people are just like, don't use generative AI.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: But it's the same discussion.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, look,
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: You got to be aware of tools and evolutions and how things are so you can fight
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: the good fight.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Look, I was so against AI a few years ago.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, nah, I don't want to use AI.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: I actually fully scrubbed my digital footprint off the internet.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: I got to that point, right?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm like, well, hang on a minute.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: My coach said to me that I had at the time, How do you get out to people?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, I'll go to a talk.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, what, to like 50 people?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: I go, yeah.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, you do one right post, you can reach thousands if not millions.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, yeah, okay.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I do need to make peace with social media and get back on.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: So you just do it on your terms.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's I think the biggest thing is do what feels right for you.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't want to use AI, great, don't use AI.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: I use AI to do all my SEO backtags.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know how long that would take me to figure out how to do that?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I go, hey, chat,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: write me the YouTube backdoor tags for this episode that I've shared the transcript
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: with you.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: There you go, cut and paste.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's 500 characters already done.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even know there were backdoor SEOs.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, why do all these people say there's these SEO things that I need to fix up?
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, the point is, it can do it in not even a minute, which would take me so long.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess if you're going to use it to support your productivity,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: my husband's created a whole app using AI, these sorts of things.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's helping you execute your creativity.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's not replacing you.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: But if you start to let it replace you, like I yell at my chat all the time.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like my friend calls it the lazy employee.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I just say to him, right?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what are you doing?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: That is not what I asked you.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'll generate cover art using chat, right?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it's amazing how it can stuff it up so much.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm like, just push.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Put my image on the right, that person's on the left, and it will swap the image around.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, we'll just swap the tags down the bottom, and then we'll swap everything around.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: And then I give it to my husband.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, do your magic and write a prompt to fix it because it's not listening to me today.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, you have to speak AI.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, but I don't.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you have to tell it to write a prompt for you first, right?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it is a silly.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just dealt with that earlier.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I use agents to try to do outreach and it's gotten worse, if you will, over time.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm letting it run, but it's like doing operations worse.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, what's going on, man?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: We got to have a one-on-one.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we got to have a little meeting.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: You need to go take your usual holiday leave and come back.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go take a break.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need you burnt out, Charles.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I need you working great like you've been.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, dear.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: I guess the submarine,
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: all that for everybody is usually discernment and trust what works for you
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: and what doesn't.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: If it doesn't feel nice, don't use it.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if you get something come back from AI and it doesn't feel right, don't use it.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like if it's having a bad day and they do have bad days,
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: I just walk away and I'll come back and do it again another day.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like it's not worth Exactly.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: And as we start to finish our time up, Carter,
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: I asked the guests that come on the show,
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: if you could heal or change something in the world, what would it be?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: I would...
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Hope people would just be calmer,
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: just if it's,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: if that's a music thing,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: if that's a,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: everyone could get, honestly, I guess I wouldn't want everyone to be fed.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's always what I tell,
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: because if everyone could be fed and be calmer in this world,
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: we'd be able to talk things out and things would,
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: the reason, the idea of scarcity would change how we are as a, as a society.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: And if people want to connect with you,
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Carter, or come find your music, where's the best place they can go?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: You can find me online at www.carterfoxmusic.com.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you can find me across social media at carterfoxmusic.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And on Instagram,
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually carterman5000 because it's an old silly name from a rapper I used
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: to work with.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I never wanted to change it because I'm honored to use it.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, you can also find my books on Amazon.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: You can find them on Barnes & Noble.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Also, soulfultravelerapparel.com for signed special editions.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, amazing.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll make sure to put all those details in the show notes so
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: that everyone can come and find you and enter into the world of Carter and the music
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: that you create.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you so much for being on the show and for having this conversation.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: And you guys watch this space.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Carter and I are going to create something magical.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, we are.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 30:32
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• 30:34
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• 30:38
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• 30:41
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• 30:46
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• 30:49
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• 30:53
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• 30:57
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• 30:58
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• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: my romantic thriller, is now available
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  SPEAKER_03: on Amazon and other online retailers.
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  SPEAKER_03: This book explores the intersection of loneliness, love,
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  SPEAKER_03: and how chasing perfection through technology can lead to fantasy
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  SPEAKER_03: and reality colliding.
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  SPEAKER_03: My virtual obsession out now.