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Bible Magick with Robert Peter Part 1 · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen? What?
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  Speaker 2: I Welcome back to the Occult Rejects. Today's episode, we
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  Speaker 2: got a very special guest, somebody I was looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to having on because I don't think i've any have
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  Speaker 2: had anybody on for this topic before, and and I'm
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  Speaker 2: very interested in it because it wasn't something that I
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  Speaker 2: was big into myself, but I did come across a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people when I was in the magical community
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  Speaker 2: that was into Bible magic. A lot of people would
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  Speaker 2: use psalms. So, uh yeah, I'm very excited to have
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  Speaker 2: Robert on for this topic. And I gotta thank sonre
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  Speaker 2: He's the one who hooked me up with the guest
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  Speaker 2: that's his boy, So thank you very much, sir. And
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  Speaker 2: before we get to Robert, why don't you let everybody
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  Speaker 2: know what your deal is and where they can find
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  Speaker 2: all your amazing works.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my name is Sonri Well, everybody, I am an
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  Speaker 3: author and I am a teacher. I run a school
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  Speaker 3: called the Order of Chaos University, and we've got a
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  Speaker 3: book coming out titled Chaos Witchcraft October second. You can
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  Speaker 3: preorder it on Amazon now. You can also find my
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  Speaker 3: essay in that one right there. This is chaos with
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  Speaker 3: the late and great Peter J. Carroll.
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  Speaker 2: Very nice, so very nice. And if people want to
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  Speaker 2: get an idea of what the book's about before they
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  Speaker 2: grab it, you can check them out on our show.
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  Speaker 2: He was on our show talking about that book, so indeed,
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  Speaker 2: definitely highly suggested. And again, thank you very much, Sonri.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you being on the show and bringing a guest.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Annam.
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  Speaker 2: And we got the man himself, Robert. What is going on, sir?
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  Speaker 2: How are you? Please? Let everybody know what's your deal
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  Speaker 2: and if you want to plug anything, let him know.
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  Speaker 1: Very well. Thank you thusself, thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you sorry of course as well. Yeah, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: a practitioner of the arts. I guess it's a simple
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  Speaker 1: way to discard it. Magician for higher the demonation, magical services,
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I like to keep it simple, a prayer to get
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  Speaker 1: the work done and focus on the work rather than
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  Speaker 1: having these long drawn out, grandiose titles and things. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so Socials is like Robert Peter Services, and then they've
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  Speaker 1: got a substack which you can find on there and
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  Speaker 1: then yeah, you can delve in at your leisure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: hate comments, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: What is what is it like the exact name of
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  Speaker 2: you subsetect.
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  Speaker 1: It's Robert, I think, It's like Robert Peter Majei, I think.
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  Speaker 1: But the name of it on subsack is no hand path,
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  Speaker 1: safety section, no hand path.
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  Speaker 2: You'll find it. Yeah, I'll make sure I get that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get the link from you and make sure it's
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  Speaker 2: included in the show notes so people can check that out.
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  Speaker 3: So that right there, that's something I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 3: about because I love the name of your sub sect, Peter,
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  Speaker 3: Robert and Peter because so so oay. We tell this
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  Speaker 3: story because back in the day, not a year ago,
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  Speaker 3: I was in like a really really really dark place
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  Speaker 3: and and Robert helped me out in a huge way,
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  Speaker 3: huge like saved my life. And up until then I
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  Speaker 3: was kind of like weirdly sort of invested in like
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  Speaker 3: this left hand path kind of idea, but also a
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  Speaker 3: lot of it really turned me off. And then you know,
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  Speaker 3: I met Robert and he's he's doing Bible magic, and I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I've got some religious trauma. So I've always
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  Speaker 3: I've always backed away from that stuff, but he opened
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  Speaker 3: my eyes to you know, the possibility of this not
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  Speaker 3: being what I thought it was. And now in my
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  Speaker 3: book you'll you'll find in one of the you know,
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  Speaker 3: pretty close to the beginning, I've got a section where
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  Speaker 3: I just say, this whole entire left hand right hand
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  Speaker 3: path thing is fucking stupid. Why are we doing this?
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  Speaker 3: Which is you know, it's like, what was this Star Wars?
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  Speaker 3: Are we the Jedi in the Sith ridiculously right? So
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  Speaker 3: it's really Peter who inspired that. So thank you for that, Peter.
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  Speaker 3: And you know it's I love that. I just love
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  Speaker 3: the name of your subset for the same reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was trying to come up with a
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  Speaker 1: name for it, if I just saw all these substacks,
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  Speaker 1: there's like are my things, and I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want any of that. I think they're in like
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  Speaker 1: the little box underneath. I don't know these titles. I
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  Speaker 1: just do things right. I think it's like no mind
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  Speaker 1: can it's in the mind can grasp the infinite, or
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  Speaker 1: no hand can hold the absolute or something. But it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's something like that anyway. It's just like we
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  Speaker 1: think we know stuff that we don't just do what
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  Speaker 1: we've got and do what we're doing and see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's even a thing. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: on my even on the show, especially like me and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because we're so big into cabala,
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  Speaker 2: but we're like, you know, don't we take that middle path.
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  Speaker 2: That's a little bit of both. I guess are kind
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  Speaker 2: of in between. It's just like, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: just I feel like when you decide you saw it
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  Speaker 2: picking on those two, it's almost like you're kind of
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  Speaker 2: I don't say radicalized like politics, but like you're pushing
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  Speaker 2: yourself to one side. I don't know, absolutely, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just I don't know. I don't suggest it.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. And you know, there's one
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  Speaker 3: of the great things about understanding occultism is that it's
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  Speaker 3: like I would say, studying the occult is just studying
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  Speaker 3: not just but it is studying psychology from like more
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  Speaker 3: of a right brain perspective maybe or like a you know,
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  Speaker 3: a whole um what's the word, from a logical perspective, right,
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  Speaker 3: So understanding that when you identify with something the moment
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  Speaker 3: you identify with anything, your ego kicks in the gear
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  Speaker 3: to defend that identity and push you further into it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's just like a mechanical thing that your brain does.
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  Speaker 3: So like I always tell people, now, don't identify with shit.
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  Speaker 3: There's be identify with yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I like that that's actually the best way to be
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  Speaker 2: non biased about it. Yeah, very well said some All right,
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  Speaker 2: so Robert, I know, uh, you know we're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: talking about Bible magic. But if you don't mind me
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  Speaker 2: asking the question I ask all people on the show,
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  Speaker 2: what got you into the occult? What was it that? Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Solgenie, You're like, this is gonna be something
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be doing for a while.
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  Speaker 1: New death experiences. Really, I've had five near deaf experiences
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, so basically like I had experiences and stuff
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  Speaker 1: when I was younger, like loads of experiences and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, no one around me is really
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  Speaker 1: explaining what it is. The local spiritualist movement could like
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  Speaker 1: touch on it a bit, but then they had this
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  Speaker 1: like predisposition to explain it in a certain way, and
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  Speaker 1: it was like kind of like, nah, it's not that,
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  Speaker 1: there's something there, it's not that and then it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like trying to find and what it is,
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  Speaker 1: like what the I guess truth is? Right when Sam
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  Speaker 1: Ray was talking about like being detached on the ego,
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  Speaker 1: like the minute you attached to something, the ego kicks in,
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  Speaker 1: like the the name like no hand path is is
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  Speaker 1: not attaching to that, you know what I mean? And
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  Speaker 1: staying in that state and being open to it all.
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  Speaker 1: And one thing I found is that like when you
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  Speaker 1: do this kind of stuff, like even when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to like say Bible magic or different types of magic,
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  Speaker 1: you will cycle through stuff like you will You'll do
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  Speaker 1: Bible magic one week and then room magic the other week,
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  Speaker 1: and then like something you know what I mean, that
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of bounce around. So like having that experience
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  Speaker 1: like straight off the bat of no, that's not there,
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  Speaker 1: but there's some truth there, there's some truth there or
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  Speaker 1: whatever basically was the driving force behind stuff, which yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was like the start. I guess it was like
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  Speaker 1: the charriot in which would then carrying me forward if
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense, But yeah, it's just I guess, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The I think the reason why I started this is
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  Speaker 1: the reason why someone should start anything, because they want
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  Speaker 1: to find out the truth behind something, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? And if if truth is a motivating force,
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  Speaker 1: then you're never going to stop searching until like discontentment
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  Speaker 1: is a foreign concept, you know what I mean. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's good. I think it's cool. It works definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I like how you said like looking for the truth,
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  Speaker 2: because I think that might even be something that maybe
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  Speaker 2: some people get confused with when it comes to occultist
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  Speaker 2: and magicians that aren't that that. It's like, it's not
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  Speaker 2: like that. Sometimes we don't fully believe like religion, well
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  Speaker 2: religion of stories that have been handed to us. It's
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  Speaker 2: maybe more of like I think there's just something deeper
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  Speaker 2: there and I want to find that or there's more
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  Speaker 2: truth there in there, like there's you know, there's more
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  Speaker 2: of a story here that I think I could maybe
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  Speaker 2: find more information on it. And I just it's really
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  Speaker 2: for me, and I think even soaring yourself, it was
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  Speaker 2: like a search for truth, like you said, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I do believe that these religious texts have that
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  Speaker 2: scouted in there as well.
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  Speaker 3: You know, difference between a seeker and a believer. I
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  Speaker 3: don't like believers, right, I don't. I'm sorry. I don't
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  Speaker 3: mean that I don't like you of believing because and
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  Speaker 3: I was, I was crazy. I was actually just thinking
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  Speaker 3: about this morning. The entire story of humanity, so much
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  Speaker 3: of it is that thing we were just talking about. Well,
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  Speaker 3: when you identify something and now your ego kicks in
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  Speaker 3: to defend it, let's I mean, especially true with religion.
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  Speaker 3: But we but we could change. We could all in
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  Speaker 3: an instant if we all woke the fuck up, I
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  Speaker 3: mean every single person and said, okay, maybe instead of
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  Speaker 3: demanding that my religion is the one true religion, which
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  Speaker 3: all religions do, all believers do this, say we don't
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  Speaker 3: know shit, but this is what I think, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: interested in what you think, and we could talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: World saved, Like, I mean, how many wars are happening
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  Speaker 3: right right now, right now? People getting blown to bits
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  Speaker 3: over their religious beliefs.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking insane. Man. Sometimes you have to wonder, like where
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  Speaker 2: where are we? Yeah, because it's like men could really
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  Speaker 2: create hell on their own, can't they?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? And I think the all religion started off as
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  Speaker 3: like a search for truth, but then you get to
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  Speaker 3: telling people to know this is the truth, and then
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  Speaker 3: then we got them as problems, right, So being a
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  Speaker 3: seeker is like looking for looking through everything and looking
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  Speaker 3: for like it's the idea that there's an underlying truth
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  Speaker 3: that is unknowable, but I'm gonna look for it anyway.
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  Speaker 2: That is even like you know something like you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is a kind of a weird uh, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: you know connection, But that's even something like I recently
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  Speaker 2: I have to edit it and put it up. But
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  Speaker 2: I did like kind of record a two part series
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  Speaker 2: on the history of Christianity because I was interested, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and I was covering it from
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  Speaker 2: just a complete informational, historical, academic angle. Really wasn't an
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  Speaker 2: opinion of anything. It's just this is how it happened.
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  Speaker 2: And like, even looking at that, I was like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: they got told what to believe by the Catholic Church,
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, fuck, like I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: just that blew my mind when I realized that when
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  Speaker 2: I started seeing all these major names like telling people
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  Speaker 2: like no, that narcissism is you know, that's bad. That's bad.
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  Speaker 2: Dad's bad, that's bad. This is what I'm like, you
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  Speaker 2: guys got told what to believe. What the fuck? I'm
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  Speaker 2: just very worried.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, it's it's it's crazy. So uh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if this is going to open the can of
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  Speaker 1: worms or a cage of if you will, right, but
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  Speaker 1: like awesome, good times, good times. But basically like it's
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that I found doing Bible magic,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, or like say Christian magic or whatever
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  Speaker 1: Air quotes, is that when I approached it from an
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  Speaker 1: ativistic slash shamanistic perspective, injected into it what it was missing.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you go on that, I guess, like shamanistic
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  Speaker 1: journey with anything, right, whether it's like nor stuff or
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  Speaker 1: like native religions, that's part of the journey. And that's
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  Speaker 1: that's seeking the truth. That's the shamanistic experience. And it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always have to be about like having bones on
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  Speaker 1: your altar, you know what I mean, or like animal
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  Speaker 1: furs and things like that. The shamanistic journey is always
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  Speaker 1: happening inside. One of the people that came across very
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  Speaker 1: early on was that Jadu Christian Murty, and he joined
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  Speaker 1: the Theosophical society that he was he was the betrayer, right,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, this is the next great world teacher.
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  Speaker 1: And they basically groomed him into being this like figurehead
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  Speaker 1: of their world religion, I guess, and he turned around
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  Speaker 1: said fuck it. No, like truth is like a pathless thing.
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  Speaker 1: But like they thought they failed because he, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like was like, no, I'm not doing this. That's actually
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  Speaker 1: what he did, even with that one sentence of like
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  Speaker 1: truth is a pathless thing that if you think about that,
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  Speaker 1: meditate on it, that can do way more than what
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  Speaker 1: studying a religion can do. And if it's the lens
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  Speaker 1: in which you look at stuff through, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. If Catholicism or Protestant Faithful, any denomination of
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  Speaker 1: Christianity is force feeding this ship down your throat, then
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  Speaker 1: how are you going to speak?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: If they're telling you what to believe, then how are
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  Speaker 1: you going to talk about your experiences? And when you
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  Speaker 1: work like I've worked with like students and stuff as well,
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  Speaker 1: and when you work on the back and forth thing,
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  Speaker 1: you say, hey, look i'm gonna I'm gonna teach you
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  Speaker 1: this thing. Don't do it. And they come back and
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  Speaker 1: they say, I've had this experience, and then you explain
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  Speaker 1: the experience to them. When you explain the experience to them.
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  Speaker 1: They can then like codify what's happening, go holy fucking shit.
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  Speaker 1: But it's that's where the magic happens, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. It's not like that's that's a shamanistic thing,
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  Speaker 1: like and you can use anything with it, Like I've
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  Speaker 1: done numerous experiments on this just for a laugh, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. The most outlandish are better as
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  Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. But it's the same with anything.
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  Speaker 1: If cavalsism is like, no, you must do this, you
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  Speaker 1: must do this right, then they're they're stopping you. Whereas
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  Speaker 1: if they say, okay, here's what we do. Go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and do it and see what happens. Then you come
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  Speaker 1: back and then you say, oh, you're right or you're wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It's like but if you if you tell them no,
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  Speaker 1: that's what you do, then the soul is or the
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  Speaker 1: spirit is going to try and like fucking break out
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  Speaker 1: of that. Right. So essentially you've got this thing where
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  Speaker 1: if they try and constrain you, then you're going to
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  Speaker 1: break out of that anyway and find your own way.
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  Speaker 1: So like you find it even one of two thinks
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  Speaker 1: through like resistance, like through resistance or through being free
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  Speaker 1: to do whatever. You need to do. But when you
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  Speaker 1: constrict people or when like you tell people, no, you
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  Speaker 1: can't do this, when they break out and they liberate
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  Speaker 1: themselves from the confinement of that religion, they're gonna then
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  Speaker 1: turn around and say fuck with falsism, right, and then
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  Speaker 1: going to turn around and kick away the system in
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  Speaker 1: which they found that liberation because they're not going to
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  Speaker 1: understand and that that system was kind of plain devil's advocate,
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  Speaker 1: if that makes sense, Like it was trying to cause
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  Speaker 1: the thing. But the system doesn't do that on purpose,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're just trying to control you,
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  Speaker 1: like the flat out. They're not trying to actually create
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  Speaker 1: these experiences. And when you look at the history of
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  Speaker 1: saints in the Catholic Church, all of these people the
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  Speaker 1: majority of them actually sorry, not all of them, that's generalizing.
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  Speaker 1: The majority of the early martyrs and things in Katholsism
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  Speaker 1: never had churches. They were like living on farms. They
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  Speaker 1: were living in these things and just heard about this god, right,
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  Speaker 1: or just heard about this path. They then had the
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  Speaker 1: religious experience or they had the shamanistic journey without going
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  Speaker 1: to church and doing a rosary or doing all this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: They had direct experience, which is the shamanistic path. But
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  Speaker 1: that's stripped away now, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 1: in the canonization process of saints, like it has to
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  Speaker 1: go through all of this stuff. Whereas in the early days,
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  Speaker 1: if like an ancestor died, which is which could be
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  Speaker 1: seems the same, like Saint Barbara or something, right, Saint
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  Speaker 1: Barbara would die if someone'd be like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: she like struck her dad down with a bottl of lightning,
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  Speaker 1: right then, like that's fucking cool. We are going to
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  Speaker 1: ask that person because obviously they've got some supernatural gift.
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  Speaker 1: Their miracles are spring up. But there was none of
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  Speaker 1: this like the church telling you what a miracle is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it touches on, it touches on loads
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  Speaker 1: of stuff, like when like occult books now tell you
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  Speaker 1: how to do magic, they that they can be turning
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  Speaker 1: into the very thing of which they were made to
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  Speaker 1: not be. I mean as in that like confinement.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is that me and somebody else
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  Speaker 2: are having a conversation recently about like something along those
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  Speaker 2: lines where it's just like, I don't know if which
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  Speaker 2: is a magicians realize that it's like yo with somebody
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  Speaker 2: these rules you come up with with certain stuff. It's
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  Speaker 2: like you realize where the fuck you're going now, Like
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: you're becoming the people you're bitching about. Yep, you like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: But it's just crazy how the mind like you. I
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: could see I'm making the connection if you're looking, but
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: it's just like it's a it's a thin line, dangerous
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: thin line. I think they'll walk when you still getting
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: And so I mean, listen, maybe I'm seeing everything because
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: we were bitching about this before we started recording, But
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: maybe I'm seeing everything through the lungs right now. But
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I see all of this stuff as a manifestation of
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: people wanting to control what other people think and believe
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: because it makes them feel powerful. And also and here's
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: this is like a big thing for me. Okay, So
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it's a conundrum because I run a school of magic,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I'm an author, and I do all this YouTube shit
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: right Like that's bordering on like influencer. I don't want
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: to fucking influence anybody. I don't want to do that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be an influence. I don't want
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to do any of that. I't want to clicks and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I can't the way to be Like, I did a
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: bunch of sales training. Okay, it ruined my brain because
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you see how slimy it is, right, and I quit
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: that job. I walked out of it and been like,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I ain't fucking doing this.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'll teach you how to Basically.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: One of the biggest things is speak from a place
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: of authority, right, and all all the you know, influencers,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: they know this. How how you can't speak from a
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: place of authority about spiritual occult matters unless you're full
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: of shit, Because if you think you're actually an authority
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: on it, you are full of shit. If you know
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: that you don't know, then that's more of like a
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: real path towards something akin to enlightenment, knowing that you
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: don't know. But I'm gonna talk about it anyway, which
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: is what I try to do. Right, But like the
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: way to become successful is to speak from a place
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: of authority, then that's how you get gurus, and I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: fucking hate gurus.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: You know. It's funny who just did a post basically
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: saying that same thing. Gordon White from a Rune Soup.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I noticed he put out a reel saying that lego
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: if you get people coming at you with like this
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: authority run basically something like.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: That, which does that?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Though I don't know, I he or at least he's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: surrounded by people that do.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. I mean, I don't know. It's
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: a line to walk, like, you got to be able
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: to talk about something.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But I have been noticing some people besides him even
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: coming out and saying, if people are telling you that
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: they got the one and only way, just run because
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that's dangerous.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, nobody. Nobody knows the one and only secret truth. Nobody.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I have a few ideas that's about, like, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: maybe a couple of truths for me that may not
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: be for everybody else. But that's that's all I got here.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You know, I have guests on because I don't know
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the topic. You know what I'm saying. If if I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: thought I needed it, I knew it all. What the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: fuck I need a guess for I'll just talk myself
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: only every day.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: And I didn't thinkclude this book, but I wanted to,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: but I didn't. I just didn't know how to incorporate
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: a Star Trek quote into my book. But the you
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: know in Star Trek TG WHI was one of the
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: greatest television shows of all time. It's like season one.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I think we're only three or four episodes in, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Data says the most profound shit that I've ever heard
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: in my entire life is it's the episode where there's
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: like some weird space gou out there that's like talking
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: to them, and the Captain's like, what is that? And
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Data says, I don't know, And then you know, the
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: cards like that's not a very astute answer, Data, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: just Data looks back at me. He says, you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: the foundation of all science and all philosophy is based
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: on the words I do not know. I don't know
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: what that is, captain.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, that's yeah, he fucking nailed it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Though it's a whole I don't know. When you're trying
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to figure it out, you're trying to figure it out.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: You want, we want to know. But the moment you
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: think you do know, you're definitely wrong.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But it's like this strive for it. It's like I
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: worked as a chef for twenty years and I only
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: worked in fine dining, and one of the things that's
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: so hard about that job is that we're striving for perfection,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: whilst also we have to acknowledge the perfection doesn't exist,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: so nothing you do will ever be good enough. That's
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that's the philosophy of fine dining. You have continual improvement,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: striving for perfection under high stress situations, knowing it's still
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: not good enough. Is why I don't do that job anymore,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: you know. But Okay, to bring back sorry s right back,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: because Robert, I wanted to ask you in your opinion
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: one of the things that's occurred to me, likeause you're
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: talking about thefference from the shamanistic path and like a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: path of a religious more religious path, I guess, like
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: a strictly religious path.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: So I know that to.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Become a Catholic priest, for example, you have to go
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: to like seminary school, and I think you have to
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: also go to theology school. I think you have to
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: get a degree. Like there's a lot involved, And I've
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: always wondered, like, who within that hierarchy is really having
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: profound shamans experiences? Do you have to wait twenty years
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: as a Catholic and like and shoot for priesthood to
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: even have those experiences?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: No? No, Yeah, So the thing is is that when
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you work with like God right, like you and I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: think people realize or like even think about the journey
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: that person's journey before they get to priesthood. Like the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: journey begins the minute you start breathing, because every experience
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: that you have becomes part of the language of the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: way you interact with the world. So yeah, that person
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: like probably well if okay, so we get like past
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the gym, right past the gym has shamanistic experiences from
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the day he's born up until the day he enters
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the proofod when he's fourteen. He goes into the wood
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and looks at a lily flower woods and looks at
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a lily flower, and in that lily flower he finds God. Right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, then to want to go down that path
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in the first place.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But the thing is is like, yeah, yeah, there
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: has to be an inspiration. But like it's when the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: church tries to codify stuff or like quantify your experiences
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever and trying to say no, no, no, now you're ready.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Like it's a simple case of like that guy having
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: both experiences, knowing that he's had that direct experience and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: then simply going into that space and ticking all the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: right boxes in order to get the like right credentials
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in order to get that stuff. Like you were talking
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: about cooking, right, Like your passion for cooking or someone's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: passion for cooking begins far before, like long or very
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: long before they get that role. Yep, they might have
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: been in the kitchen or something, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and then and then when they actually they're like, Okay, fine,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: we'll have to like do this training and things like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that in order to get my certificates and everything elsewhere.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: The bad thing about this is, though that's in a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: positive way. That's a good thing because if someone's a magician,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: they can then become a priest and they can do magic,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: which we'll probably talk about later on which the nature
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of big magic or whatever. But like, if someone is
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a lashle, right, you can obviously use the Bible to cuts.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You can use stuff two cuts.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: So I had a client and basically I did a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: reading with them, and I was like, you need to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: stop going to church. And it was like why, And
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, because the local preacher where you are
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: has so much hate and poison in his bones that
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: every single time he is preaching over that congregation. He's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: like I saw it clairvoyante, if you will, as like
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a like a cloud and it was raining knives on
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the people.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I know people.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, and when you were talking about that whole
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: thing about being an authority on the subject, that's what
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: people do as well, right, they can throw their daggers
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and stuff out there. But yes, it's a source of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: power essentially, isn't it. But like they use that position
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of authority in order to do whatever they're going to do.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: There's a band metal band called August Ban's Red kind
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: of what the song is, but there's a bit it's
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: like we build with our hands what we have in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: our hearts, right, and like it's it's like one of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: those things as in, like the position will allow you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to do whatever you're going to do, like an arthold
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: can get the same credentials as a saint, you know
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: what I mean, And it's whatever you do it. But yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's the the experience starts and waffling on. But like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the experience doesn't begin when you get those things. But
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that's that's a problem because a lot of people go
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to the priesthood, right because they're following an authority figure
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and they say, I want to become a priest, but
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: they're not having that experience beforehand. And it's the same
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: with a cultism, Like where a cultism has become so widespread,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: people are like, I want to be an a cultist,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: but they're not having the experiences beforehand which map their
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: heart and their mind and everything else. When they come
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: into magic. They're learning these skills in order to cause
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: their harm or good things or whatever, but they're not
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: having the experience and stuff to back it up.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is like one thing that I stress
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: allowed a lot, just you know, and again this is
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: only for me, but that sounds a lot like what
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: you're saying for me. Even once I actually had like
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: these profound experiences. Once that happened, the way I even
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: looked at magic completely changed. Yeah, and it was not
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: even the same as I had looked at it prior
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: to that. And yeah, I just feel like until I
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: had that experience, I really don't think I had a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: fucking clue it all.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: That's just the same. And for me, it happened, I've
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: been passing magic already for seventeen years.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Oh see, that's a huge hit on your ego to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: even deal with.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: That's what was the best thing ever happened to you? Though?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: You know that's yeah, fuck, and you gotta did, I mean.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Doing magic successfully for seventeen years, like, but I was
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: doing magic straight out of the Satanic Bible because atheistic
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: mind over matter, you know, ritual cognition you could call
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: it right like I will this to happen, so it
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: will happen kind of thing. And then I had like
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: an involuntary, non chemical induced psychedelic trip to another dimension
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: where I got like confronted by my spirit guides and
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh fuck, and that yeah, it's completely
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: changed everything for me.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I get that, man, that I've even wondered,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: like you know, even with certain even when you saw
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: looking at the old alchemist stuff, It's like it makes
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: total different sense to diagrams of the art or the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: shit that they're saying. After I've had my experience where
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you even have to if that's even part of understanding.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: It, you realize it was all allegory and maybe they
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: didn't even realize that. I actually had a conversation with
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: not a conversation like a brief interaction with doctor j
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Justson Sledge about this who runs US America, which is
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: one of the greatest. I mean, this is the comments,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: like comments in the in the YouTube thing. But you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: he's of the opinion that they were legitimately trying to
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: turn led to gold and there was, you know, really
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: not any spiritual aspect to it. And I'm like, I'm
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: sure some people were doing that, but I'm all, I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: so sure that it was the intention was allegory for
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: the metamorphosis from based consciousness to enlightened consciousness.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I think you're totally right with that. Yes, I think
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you have both.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: But if you you don't see that unless you're looking
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: at it, unless you've had those experiences and you realize that, Okay,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: people speak in metaphor, especially back then, people spoke in metaphor, right,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and it's a way of helping someone understand something that
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: they can't understand unless they've had the experience. So you
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: talk about it in very materialist form or way to
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: lead them to the experience, it will help them realize
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: this isn't about materialism.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a I can't remember exactly who, I don't
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: want to say their names, and then I'm wrong. But
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: there was a bunch of alchemists that I've even covered
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: on this show that even back I think it might
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: have been like Renaissance dudes, they did specify a few
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: of them did make sure they specified this is of
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the soul. So I mean they did have people that
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: were like, this is not the same as you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: doing shit with metal. They specified that. So that that's
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that's that says something for me, you know, yep, And
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: it's it's.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: A weird thing, man, because like so, for example, I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: took a tremendous amount of good and real spiritual insight
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: from the Flower of Life books by Droom Volo Malchustic,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: but like sixty percent of what he says is complete bullshit,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and I know it. But there's a lot of good
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: in there to this, some really fucking interesting cool stuff.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: But I mean one part in the book he claims
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to know a guy that's turning lead into gold in
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: his basement, Like, no, you fucking don't. No one's ever
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: accomplished this, and no one ever will. You can do
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: it with a large hadron collider if you have billions
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: of dollars and you want to build one of those,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: and the cost of doing it, the cost of turning
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: one ounce of lead into gold is like something like
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: millions of dollars. Why would you do it? You know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: we ain't gonna do it with your chemistry in your basement.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know something I did want to ask you, uh, Robert,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: were you already predisposed to Christianity or Catholicism? And that's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: kind of like how you moved yourself into Bible magic
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: or was that something that like you looked into lady
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: not being like a how do I explain this? Let's
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: say I was Christian a Catholic and then I kind
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: of you know, now I started going to the Oto
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and then somehow found myself going back to the Bible
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: for magic or is it like a kind of like
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: a seamless thing or you know what I'm getting it?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah. I absolutely fucking hate Christianity, absolutely hate
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: it because the thing is is that like when you
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: look at the world and you say that evil is
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: wrought in the world, and then you say that there's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: this old benevolent God who will like can do all
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: these miracles and that it's like, why you're not doing it?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Kind of puts you into the perspective of like fuck this,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's no, absolutely hate it. And there's been
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: times when I've dipped away from it and then come
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: back to staff and then they gone around. But like
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: in my journey of I guess some people were jumping, right,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and there's this trope where people are like, oh my god,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: collecting like religions and spirits like Pokemon. They always use
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: fucking Pokemon, right, And it winds me the fuck up. Yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: it annoys me because it's like it's like one of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: those things, right, one person uses it, then it becomes
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: something that is relatable. Therefore everyone starts using it, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: then it just turns into this like group consciousness thing
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: of like, okay, someone becomes an influencer. The first thing
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: they say is, oh, don't go and collect experience like Pokemon.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: But they don't even understand what they're talking about, because
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: there are going to be experiences. There are going to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: be part where like you're jumping around from pampeans and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you're learning stuff from these different gods and spirits each
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: other way.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: And like, and the thing is, I'm not collecting them,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: They're fucking collecting me. I know, it's like I'm I
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: get directed by by one of my guides to another.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: It's like an introduction. It's not it's you're not running
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: around collecting spirits. If it happens for other people the
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: way it happened for me, which I think is a
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: pretty typical experience. You're on this path, you're going this way,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and then suddenly, you know you, you meet one of
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: your spirit GUIDs and they're like, let me introduce you
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to this guy you know, like and that's why I don't.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: That's why to me, perennialism makes so much sense, because
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I think that they're they're all out there. Like I
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: think that if Odin and Siva want to have a conversation,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: they can do that, and they probably probably have.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It's it's the thing of like, so when you try
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and force the path right to say, someone is like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a Catholic. I'm going to be
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a Catholic magician. Because I saw like eggsy Z person
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: on Instagram, but it's like perfectly put together altar and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: they had all this very esthetically pleasing things like they're
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: going to start going in there and being like, well,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Saint Barbara's for this, Saint Peter's for this, like and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then they're going to like throw
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: themselves into the system. But like they're when you meet
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the system, like they're they're basically like it's like arranging
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a meeting with someone or like or like saying, like
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you're going to view a house, right, like you're buying
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a new house. You're going to view a house and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you're waiting for the estate agents waiting for you outside
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: and you've run in round them, gone in the house
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and start of making up your mind about all this shit.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And then the estate agent's like, what the fuck are
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you doing? Like you're not supposed to do that. I'm
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: supposed to show you around. I'm supposed to show you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: how this house fits best for you, you know what I mean.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And they're not. They're just they're just skipping stuff, you
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like people just want to skip
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: stuff because they want to they want to define what
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the system is. And in an age where every single
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: person is trying to have like a USP, especially in
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a cult, and everyone's trying to skip stuff to find
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: that USP to then turn something around, turn it into
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a course to sell and do all this type of stuff.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: But they're but they're skipping out on the experiences because
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: if they had the experiences, then they would have a
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: much better course to give people to teach people. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: got nothing against people like doing courses and things like that,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: not so all. I do courses myself, but if you
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: have a better way of doing it, you know what
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like if you if you get all the information,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: then you can give that back. You can give that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: truth back to people, you know what I mean. And
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that's an alchemical active in itself.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: But yeah, So what attracted you then? Like how did
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: you find yourself? Because I mean, like I remember last
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: conversations you and I have like a few months back,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: because you were trying to get me to read psalms.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I was like, I want to read songs. You're like,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: just do it. I promised you'll enjoy it, and I did,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: And then I did enjoy it and I read. I
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: didn't finish it, but I read like I spent like
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: two or three hours with it, and I was like, Okay,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I'm enjoying this right, there's there's some good ship in here.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: So how did you land on Bible magic? And what
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: what is it that you think is powerful and good
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: about it? And how did what kind of kept you there? Well?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: What it works, right, it's good at the end of
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the day. It's just magic, right, Like, if it works
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and it achieves aims, they're cool. Two, it's easily accessible.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: There's churches everywhere which are like pretty much altars that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you can go into and do whatever.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Would be cool if there were like churches everywhere for
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: the other religions. So that's a really good point. That's
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: something that was lacking.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: It would be if you get two precisses oft in
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the same room, they're probably going to disagree with each other,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: aberhaps you fucking so yeah, but yeah, no. So the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Bible is just it's just a thing of power. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: when I looked into like who Doo and things like that,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like that religion was built upon the blood and the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: suffering of people who were displaced from their land and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: they had to find a way to sort of shit out.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And if you take who do as as a as
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: an example, it's like, yeah, what do you do when
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: push comes to shove? Are you going to be like, Oh,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I don't have my ritual cloth and I don't have
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: my water and things and that like that. It It
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: basically pisses all over like the ascetic magician, you know
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So when you've got this Bible, when
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you've got these verses, when you've got this stuff that
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you can connect with that you know causes change, you
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: can do it. And you can do it. You can
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: do it in alchemy, you can do whatever. It's the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: same with rooms, right, It's really my fucking love rooms
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: because you can connect with them on such a level
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: where you don't need anything. And at the end of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the day, like magic exists, like in the person, and
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: if there's ways to access that magic within the person
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and access the divine, it doesn't matter how you do it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It's just that you can do it. And yeah, the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: thing like when I posted up when I told you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to do those sums or whatever, it's a really simple
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: way to do stuff. If you're talking to a client
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and they don't know they don't have hissap and agrimony
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and like florhiadab water and all this shit, and they
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: don't even have a bathtub in which to perform an uncrossing.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: You're like, all right, here's this Bible verse. Say it
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: with this stuff in mind. And you're good to go,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like a point
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of relatability in order to in order to make a
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: change in people's lives. And like when I was saying
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: at the start about stuff being a part of truth,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: well truth, in order to in order to take a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: path of truth, you have to also walk hand in
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: hand with progress, right, because you can't have progress without truth,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and you can't have truth with that progress. So it
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: just allows you to allows you to access powers and
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: things like when like when you were saying about the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: experience in which helped you that time that was working
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: with chem angels, right, chem angels and notoriously easy to.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Call up.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: If you know the way. But yeah, but it's it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: the it's yeah, it's just easy. If it's easy. I'm
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: a lady magician, man, I'm the lazy at ship.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: That you just want to talk this story. I'm gonna
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: tell the story. Robert knows the whole story, but I'm not.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: It's it's like some deeply personal ship for me. So
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna can be kind of vague here. But the person,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: that person that I was so concerned about. One of
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: the things that she said to me after you were
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: helping me deal with it was that she heard angels
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: and it helped her get out of that situation, right,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: that wasn't ye like? And that holy shit, it was like,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: this is like one of the most powerful cults experiences
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I've ever had, because we were Yeah, I'm not gonna
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: get into my personal life here, but like, like I said, Robert,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Robert's the real deal and.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: The funny the funny thing about that story though, I
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: say funny thing like the sense of always funny, ha ha.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: All right, but they told me seven months in advance
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that I had to call you at that certain time.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Right. That was The other thing is that Robert and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I hadn't spoken for almost a year and he just
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: messaged me out of the blue and said, hey, some
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: angel told me that you're not okay, and I was like, yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not okay. And then he we went through this
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: whole thing, dude, and it was again like for to
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: preserve the identity of the other person, I can't super
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: get into it, but holy shit, unbelievable.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I even have to say before I started having some
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: well I guess I there was just more of like
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: kind of like profound the feelings or experiences. I did
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: it capitalistically, but I did work with a lot of angels.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like really out of the Bible, but cabalistically.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: There was some things I did pull, but never believe
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: it or not, it never used psalms at all. But
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I did have, like with theurgic type stuff with working
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: with angels, I did have some like really nice experiences.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Actually it's pretty profound for me.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: See, it's never clicked. I've tried. I've tried a few times.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I've I've got a couple of books here on angel magic,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: and it's just like it's never clicked. But like, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I think that's the because I think that's pretty fine again,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: because I think that magic, these different traditions of magic
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: are just the same as saying different languages and maybe
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: you speak French French, that's all.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the So when it comes to angel magic
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and psalms, there's been plenty of times when I've called
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: up angels and they've told me to work with psalms
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: because in that thing, in that in that verse or
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: in that certain thing, is is is a truth like
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the angels offer actually is derived from Passages and Exodus,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: which is a stent to let the name of God right.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: So like you've got it's all LinkedIn. Like when you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: summoned schem angels, you use some verses because codified in
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: there is their calling card essentially, So yeah, it's all there.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And that's that's another thing that people don't understand with
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: some magic is that like it's codified. There's so much
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: stuff codified in there. So you're calling on say like
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Netzac or Giborah when you're doing these sums. But people
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: are doing these arms and they're having benefits, but they
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: don't know why they're having the benefits. So in Psalm
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: ninety one, I believe it calls on a couple of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: angels to champag Mefrash, but one of them is Sitaiel,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: who's the third angel of the champag Methrash, who's an
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: angel of like protection, and he helps you deal with it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: So you're calling upon all these powers even if you
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: don't know that you're doing it.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Sure with this, like there's a psalm, tell you like
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: the gist of what you're calling upon or is it
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: like no?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And that this is why it loves arms. Yeah, This
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: is what I love arms, and this is why I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: loves script is because in scripture, you're doing it. You're
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: just saying these words and you're thinking about them and
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you're having this experience. So the Bible is technically a
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: shamanistic text because you don't know what you're doing when
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you have faith. Faith is that like I'm going to
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: go skyclad and dance in a pine forest and have
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: these experiences with the land of Idea, right or the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: local land spirits and things like that. But you're not
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: doing it skyclad. You're sitting on a train on with
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: your Bible gateway app open, and you're trancing out listening
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to like fucking death metal or some shit whilst reading
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: a Psalm and you're having these experiences. You know what
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I mean. I've done that plenty of fucking times, dude.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I've listened to like what I've listened to that Black
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Tongue right, which are like it's like Second Death, which
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: is like fucking hardcore, ridiculously fucking heavy music whilst reading
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: like Psalm thirty and had a transcendental experience. But the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: thing is is that music, that music, right, is what
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the shamans would use as drums, right. But but the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: thing is is like Cowboy, Yeah, no, it does, it does,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: it definitely does. But the thing is is when you
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: work with angels, Angels communicate from music. When you hear
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: angels that are always singing, right, they love Yeah that.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: The ol VRP. I don't want to sing.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: You don't have to now, no, no, no, because because
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the thing is, when you're doing the LVRP and you're
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: calling in these angels and calling in the quarters, the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: very fact of that action, right, your actions are the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: song of what you need to do, of what you're
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: trying to do. And the thing is is like when
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like im, I'm an ex musician. I used to be
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: in bands. I was like vocalist and my metal bands
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: and stuff, And that was one of my like side
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: quests on learning magic. I would write stuff down. I'd
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: write these lyrics and stuff and have these like channeled experiences.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'd write these fucking scripts that I had an experience
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: actually where I wrote the Invocation of Solomon, which is
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: quite an unknown thing. I didn't know about that, right,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: And I basically wrote a version of an invocation of
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Solomon without writing the invocation of Solomon. When I was
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: on a train listening to like K pop. I think
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it was I was like obsessed with this K pop
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: song for some reason and then like wrote this entire thing. Yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I still got it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: You know what there is, just don't get too far
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: off topic. But you know the band Nile, Yes, So
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: that's the whole thing, dude, Nile writes ancient Egyptian spells
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: and and and history. That's all of their lyrics, all
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: of it. And there's there's been a number of occasions
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: where actual Egyptologists have been like, how do you guys
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: know this ship? Where did you learn this?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: That's right?
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're they're like extreme death metal, which I
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: liked a lot when I was a kid, but I
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: can't anymore with it. It's just I don't know what happened,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: but all of a sudden, I just became a much
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: happier person. And now I like, you know, there's like
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: now the ship I listen to is like, I mean,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: it's like heavy music, but I like Electric Cowboy. I'm
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: currently obsessed with baby metal, which is like jpop meets metal.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: It's the greatest fucking thing ever. We Butter are read
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: with Butter. That's another fucking great band yeah music, which
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: is like silly lyrics everybody yeah yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Basically, like what you'll find is that the angel of
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: little spirits and stuff that you're working with, they will
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: pick the song right. Like one of the most common
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: experiences in the cultism is you'll hear a song right
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and you'll hear the lyrics to it or whatever, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the people are like, oh, yeah, I just heard some music.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Is that my Claire audience opening up? It's way more
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: than that, way fucking more than that. But because in
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: like new age of cultism, they have that lens through
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: which you're looking at right, they're like, oh, yeah, You're
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Claire audience is just opening up. If you hear like
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: a death metal song and you're a hardcore Christian, they're
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, that's the devil trying to attack you. Right,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: they do, but they don't understand that Catalystically, like the
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: catalysts are very intelligent people. They have they have a
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: part of it, but then Christianity has a part of it,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: but then someone else has a part of it. And
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: if you mix more together and sort everything out, you're
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: good on the Yeah. On that note, So when you
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: go to church and you're praying how Mary jamanistic experience. Right,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: you're all together of raising up the energy just as
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: much as wickens do raising up a code of power. Right.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And Alan Kardeck knew this. Alan Kardec basically a father
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: of the spiritualist movement. He knew this. He knew that
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: using these Christian prayers and stuff like that. He didn't
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: give a fuck, you know what I mean. He was like,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: this works. So, yeah, there's so many people who know stuff.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: And when you look at these people and understand that
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: they know where power is, right, that's the trick. But
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's understanding that power without like trying to put
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: your spin on it, letting the ego take hold. Right.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Power is power. And that's why on my substack there's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a I think it's like called becoming the archetype, always
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: trying to put like song titles and shit like or
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: band titles. Is the titles and stuff because I like
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: doing it. It's fun. And there's actually a way where
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: you can take a Psalm verse or take a Bible
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: verse and turn it into a sigul, and then when
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: you meditate on that sigul, you're actually having a direct
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: experience with that Psalm verse. There's ways of turning like
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Bible verses and things into servitors, so you can Yeah,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: so you can fucking work with the energy of that
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: thing without it being through that lens, and you're going
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to have that religious experience by doing so.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: So are all the Psalms spells, every single one, even
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: even Bible verses.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I say a fifty five to eleven, it's like social
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: my word be that go forth out of my mouth.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: It shall not return on to me void, but it
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: shall achieve the thing to where to I send it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I probably butchered that, but yeah, that's sigils. I'm sorry
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: that sigils. You're sending your word out to accomplish things.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Is your word verbal or is it written down? It
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't fucking matter.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: That's you want to do it. Yeah fuck yeah, that's
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: so cool. That's interesting.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what But the thing is is I
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: try and tell people this ship right, and like they're
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: like nah, nah, whatever, and then when when it clicks
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: to them, they're like, oh shit. But like, the thing
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: is because I'm not like I'm fucking terrible at social media,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: right in an age of like fucking people who are
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: like constantly posting up whatever I am ship right, I'm
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: fucking awfuit.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: So am I? But like that's not let me sorry,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: just I know you know this already. Bit like I
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: kep thinking to myself that oh I'm not good at
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: social media's because of my friends who really are. It's
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: not that I'm not good at it. I could do this,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: It's that I don't want to participate in that culture.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: But like this is something that we're all expected to
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: do and be enthusiastic about, and that expectation really gets
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: to me sometimes and I'm like, I should be posting
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: more blah blah blah. I had that thought this morning,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: but just hearing you say it, you know, it reflects
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: back to me, and I'm like, you're not bad at this, Robbert,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you just don't want to participate in a stupid system. Yeah.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's the thing. So what I was
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: gonna say is like it took me like three years
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: man to start like posting stuff up. It wasn't until
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you were like, you need to start posting up, you
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: have to do this that I was like, okay, fine,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and then once that's like happening, I just got pissed
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: off more than the culture. And if people don't push
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: back against this stuff and say fuck you, you know
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: what I mean, and like bring back the og ship,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: then it's just going to consume everything.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: And like percent right about that, man, right? And like
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I even I been saying that I made a video
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: about this on my channel, Like I don't want to
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: do this anymore. I'm gonna do unedited live content from
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: now on.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I want to get back to. Like remember how YouTube
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: was fifteen years ago, when like every YouTube video was
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: just a guy just like in his bedroom just talking
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: about shit. I want to get back to that. That
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: was great. The fucking mister beastification of YouTube is so terrible.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: It's it fucking And now we've got that plus all
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: the AI it's like great cool. So YouTube used to
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: be like people people. Now it's giant production companies and AI.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of that out there where it's just
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: like you can even tell it's an AI voice and
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: there's just so many shows I gotta say.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: That it's off topic. I'm just so proud because yesterday
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: my son who's ten, was watching a YouTube video and
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: it was AI video, AI Voice, AI everything. I said, Hey, man,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: positive video. Can you tell me what you notice that's
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: different about this video? He's like, yeah, that's all AI. Yes,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: hell yeah, still liked the video. But I'm just I'm
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: glad he can tell the difference.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: With my parents, they can't.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Well that's what they want. They don't want you to know.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: And dude, I mean and sometimes it gets me. There's
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: there's a whole loss YouTuber and it took me two
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: whole videos to realize, oh my god, this is all AI.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: And it's with it's in the metaphysical genre and it's
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: it is a person talking to you in a bedroom
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: like it's it is designed to trick you. And it
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: got me for two whole videos. Ho shit, Yeah, I'm
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: gonna try and find it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's take it's taken away. That kind of
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: stuff is taken away from like direct experience as well. Yes,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: And like the thing is is like in an age
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of like digital stuff, Like I think there are some
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: people that are saying, like fuck this. They're going back
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: and reading through old texts and things and stuff like
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that and they're picking stuff up and they're learning again,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's the it's the counter
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: proaches depending on swinging back the other way, and hopefully,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: hopefully some people pick up the Bible and look at
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: it in a different way and use it because there's so
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: much shit you can do with it, you know what
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I mean. Like, if I was going to teach some
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: of my magic, I'd say, use the Bible. Start there,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: go and pick one up from Amazon for like two
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: gpb or something.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's the beginner of friendly magic?
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: As sucking lutely, it's basically the whole spectrum. So when
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you look at like the of life like cabitalistically, like
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I used to be in the Golden Dawn and stuff
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: like that, I've been trot many paths. Basically I left
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: the Golden Dawn because of politics. But yeah, I can
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: see that's that's another fucking story for another day. But yeah,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: it's got The Bible's got everything you need it right,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: It's got like banishing spells, healing spells, instructions on certain
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: material to use, like some I'm fifty one, cleanse me
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a p hislop and I shall be in may clean
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: wash me and I should make like hissops in there.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I just got our time. I used that one a lot. Actually, yeah,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: it's got.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: It's got, like you've got how to do stuff.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: And I didn't think I realized, you know how, I
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: even I think came across that. I think Crawley uses
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: it almost verbatim sometimes and I think, yeah, it's stuff.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Was googling it and I was like, oh, that's coming
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: from the Bible. I was like, I didn't even.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Realizeeah, no, no, that's that's the thing though. It's the
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Golden Door like or like hermetic things or whatever. They're
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: using the stuff, right, they're using these psalms and stuff.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: But then what I loved about it, so I've worked
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: with like loads of mercurial shit whatever, like loads of
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: mercurial spirits. Like I'm very into language. Hence I love
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: ruins and things, right, fucking love it. Anything with words,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: anything that you can express something in and more for it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And it's almost like the Golden Dawn like added these
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: psalms in, right, and then they were like, oh, yeah,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: we're just gonna leave that form of magic over here.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: And I think they could have actually expanded upon that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: and like fully incorporated it into their system and made
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: it something so hermetic order, hermetic order of the Golden Dawn.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: To stop using language, like, to stop using these verbal
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: things and only picking and choosing a couple of them.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: It seems just fucking stupid. But yeah, so you were
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: talking about before like hoblistically, right, so you've done kabala stuff, right.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: So there's the sixth and seventh Book of Moses, which
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: basically has the psalm magic stuff like that is the
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: book of Psalm magic essentially, so it will tell you
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: do this, do that with it using this, hold the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Holy Name of Ya in your head, like whilst you're
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: saying the sun. But basically what happened was like in
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I guess they might say like who do or something
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: like that or whatever, like or people who didn't necessarily
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: know or couldn't access all of the bells and whistles
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: like the lion skin belt and everything else, they were
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: like fuck this, We're just like, we notice power, so
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: we're going to use it. And they made it their own.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I've got an entire system of working with the goatia, right,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: which is nothing like the fucking shit, and it works
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: every single time, every single fucking time. It takes me
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes to do a goetic spell, right, Like it's
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: fucking ridiculous. Yeah, it's absolutely fucking crazy, but like it's yeah,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: there's so many like things that you can do with stuff,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like people people
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: jazz it up to be this and that and everything.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And the video which Samurai shared of me in my
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: garden like doing the something that was a kind of
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: like kickback, you know what I mean against like you
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: can use this stuff like it doesn't have to be
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: all this like bullshit. And that's not me saying like
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: this is the only way to do magic, but it's
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: kind of like a call to arms, I guess, as
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: in like go out there and explore. I mean, go
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: out there, see what you can do. But when you're
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: exploring your cult journey, don't don't do an action in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: order to think about how you're going to post it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: on Instagram.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you see what I mean.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: That's that's what people would do in the action, Oh
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: house is going to look on Instagram.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: I would even say that's a way of even almost
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: lust thing the results or any in the sense too,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: like is this going to give me some benefits on
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: social media before you even did it?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah, that's funny, but there's there are people.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Say that again, I'll sorry.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, I would so I don't mind if
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: I know the certain magic that I've done that is
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: designed to be mimetic, right, Like, the more people see it,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the more focuses energy. That's one percent of the magic
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: that any the other ninety nine percent I would never
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: show anybody, right, And like people are always like, share
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: your stuff, share your stuff, Like, no, no, I'm not
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: gonna I'll share, like I'll talk about it, but I'm
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: not going to open my journal and show it to you,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Like it's not going to do that. Like I'm not
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: going to show you the spell that I did yesterday
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: because then I know that that's gonna The way I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: see it is, you know, people would say like, don't
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: don't ever tell anyone your plans. Like you talk about something,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: you kind of take that energy. I was thinking, when
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: you're doing magic, it's like you're blowing up a balloon,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: and when you go off talking about it or sharing
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: it on social media, you pop the balloon before it's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: big enough.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely. But the thing new is is like
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: everyone's not everyone massive generalization anyone that participates in the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Instagram like rat race of who can make the coolest
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: video and stuff is actually like commercializing magic to the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: point where it stops being magic. It's like if you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I is anyone from the Warhammer.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: In here, think.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, current, there's this current like bullshit thing games Workshop,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: but like suffering with their profits because they're releasing the models,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the photos of the models in three sixty scans and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: then people are going online scanning it, putting it into
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: a digital like they're rendering a digital file, yeah, free
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: d printing it. So before that model has even come out,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: they're doing all this stuff right, and it is essentially
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: like turns it like when people create these these videos
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and things about like magic or whatever, like it turns
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it into almost like a team youw thing, you know
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if you go on Amazon you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: can buy something, but then like on team you have
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: got it as well. And it's like it just before
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: it's hard to explain, like I just saw.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Perfectly. People are stealing it, like they're taking the energy
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: away from it. They're taking the power away from it
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: by cheapening it, by stealing it and then fucking you know,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: it takes the value or like the energy away from
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: the thing that you post that you're so proud of.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: People are like, oh cool, I'll take that from you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: and print a thousand copies of it for free.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. But then, in a very Gemini esque way, right,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the wide, the widespread, the widespread methodology of occultism has
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: his own crossings, how to be right openings and all
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: this stuff is actually very good because there's a lot
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: of practitioners out there who don't have access to things right,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: and they need that. So the practitioners who are spreading
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: But I think that like the entire human race, literally
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: every human plane of the earth, would benefit from basic
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: knowledge of astrology. These are things that everyone should know
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: or like basically just the if we get all this
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: settled into and understand as a species, even that your
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: thoughts and feelings and emotions affect physical reality, that's it.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: That's that's you could just you could just say that
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: and leave it there and then let everyone figure it
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: out the rest, right, But most people don't even believe them,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: which is crazy to me.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's there's a lot of stuff like that though,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I would say that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: people could benefit from basic knowledge of Bible magic. There's
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, there's a use of it. One thing
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I was going to touch on though, is that, like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the commercialization of occultism, is that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: basically I've done, of course, not courses. I've had like
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: sessions and stuff with people, and I've talked to us people.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Those people are quote unquote better at marketing, right, So
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: they've taken the direct, the direct shamanistic experience that I've
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: had and market it in such a way and they've
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: got like five hundred, six hundred, seven hundred whatever views
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: on their being. And then the person who came up
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: with that is saying on like four likes, and I'm
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: not a salty occultist, you know. I mean, I don't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: need to think I'm like just a salty sweet yeah.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: So, like it's this this entire thing where it's like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: the shamans. It's like it's almost like cultural appropriation, you
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like someone going to Mongolia and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: learning from like Mongolian shamans, and then that person coming
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: back into the West and turning it into a course
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: which they can make like hundreds of thousands and millions
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: of dollars off. And the thing is is what they
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: don't understand is that by doing that, you're killing the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: You're killing sharman, you know what I mean, because the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: shamans are not going to teach you anything anymore. And
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: then that shamanistic tradition dies with that person, All of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: that knowledge dies for that person.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Version of it is it becomes the only thing that's available.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, but then yes, quick, But then the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: thing is is that then like what then happens is
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: almost like a resurgence for a renaissance, right, because then
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: you get people like ourselves. People then go Okay, we
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: need to reawaken this current. We need to pull stuff
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: back right. And it's like we've seen it happen before,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: It's happened before, it's going to happen again. So but
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: right now we're at this like precipice where we can
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: stop that happening and elevate the traditions right, Elevate Bible magic,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: elevate witchcraft, elevate all this stuff to stop it from
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: dying again. And the widespread juice of AI, the widespread
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: juice of like say, Instagram occults and things like that,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: it could be used as a great tool, you know,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: like having podcasts talking about this stuff. There's so many
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: podcasts out there that will just like, you know, everyone's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: got their tongue in each other's ass or whatever, trying
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: to say the right thing and trying to do whatever right. Yeah,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: and it's like, no, take that tongue out of someone's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: ass and actually start talking truth, Like, actually start talking
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: about stuff that fucking matters, rather than like rehashing the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: same bullshit over and over again for like views whatever.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: And it's the thing of like, we as a species
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: who have direct experiences with these powers, we have a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: responsibility to put these experiences back out there in order
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: for people to have them. And as much as I
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: fucking hate the Church right, as much as I hate them,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: in a way, they are keeping that tradition alive because
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: they're keeping a text in if you unedited text none
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: less fucking changed Bible bullshit based on your political predisposition
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like the og right. If you look at
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: that aud ship, they're keeping basically a grimoire in circulation,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: which allows for people to have direct shamalistic experiences. They're
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: providing a house, if you will, which is the church
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: in order for people to go and have those experience.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: It is, so if you look at it through that lens,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: that actually keeping a tradition live. But the thing is
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: is they're not even realizing that they're doing it. So
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: there's like profound benefits in the church, but then there's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other shit. Like you were saying
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: the example that you gave, which I won't go into
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: detail about of people automatically like saying oh, this is
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: who I am or whatever. You know what I mean,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like trying to put forward their identity or what they
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: identify with, rather than like letting an experience happen. So
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: like if you look at the church like rather than
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: saying to the church like oh that I would never
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: go in there, and that's a fucking church, the church whatever,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and looking at it as like a public altar and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: things like that, it can it completely can flip everything
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: on its head, you know. And yeah, I just think
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: people need to start fucking thinking more, to be honest.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so much power in reframing things and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: like taking your own bias away from it, right, and
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: so like well, what you know, what is this versus
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: what what is it if I'm not inserting my opinion
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: into that, right, and then it's it becomes so much more.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that right there, that is exactly what I'm trying
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: to say. Yes, And that's where the power is flaut,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: because an opinion, if you think about it, an opinion
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: should only be formed based on what the truth of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: it is, rather than trying to reshape what it is
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: in order to fit your opinion. Yeah, I mean, like,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: don't lose the Yeah, don't don't lose the core of
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: what it is while you're trying to like force it
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: into a moral reality that you that is is good
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: for you. And that's the thing is that, like with
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: with the Bible, magic sort of gone on a massive
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: sucking look around here answering your question like what made
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: the Bible attractive to me or whatever? Like or Bible
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: magic is the fact that I approached it from a
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: chaos magic lens, right, So I threw myself into it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: in a chaos magic way, as in, I'm going to
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: adopt this path and see what comes out of it.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: But then I went into it as a chaos magician,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: came out of it as a Christian, and then then
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: went back to in a sort of chaos magic way
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: in order to bring.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: About chaos magic. It allows you to look at things
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: for what they are instead of what they say they are.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: What's the word.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: But well, the problem is with chaos magic though these days,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: and the problem is with like a lot of occult things,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: is that they're they won't do that, they won't throw
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: themselves into a tradition. And if you're not throwing yourself
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: into a tradition, then you're not going to find the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: power in that tradition because like any sort of like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: the subverbal is it like a lineage, Yeah, like a
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: like it's passed down like through like word of mouth
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: and things. You're not going to find out about the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: secrets from it from a book. You know, it's going
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: to be passed down from person to person. So if
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: you throw yourself into that, you know what I mean,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: if you want to if you if you're a sheep
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  Speaker 1: and you want to know how the wolves live, pretend
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  Speaker 1: to be a wolf and act like a wolf dance,
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  Speaker 1: you'll learn the language of wolves, and then when you
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  Speaker 1: come out of that, you will then be able to
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  Speaker 1: do whatever you need to do to defend the rest
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  Speaker 1: of your sheep. From the wolves that are going to
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  Speaker 1: try and eat you and ship you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: But like you have to steal the power is there's
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  Speaker 1: a was it like Prometheus, right, stealing the fire from
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  Speaker 1: the gods. He was friends with the well not friends
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  Speaker 1: with the Olympians, but he like basically gained their trust
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  Speaker 1: told and then went up there and stole it and
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  Speaker 1: then gave it to man you know. So yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: a there's a big thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually very cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very prem sort of, I guess. I guess Prometheus
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  Speaker 3: is like kind of the archetype of the Chase, which
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  Speaker 3: I'd never thought about.
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  Speaker 4: That.
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  Speaker 3: That's very cool.
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  Speaker 1: There's actually a book called like Stealing Fire from the Gods,
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  Speaker 1: I think, and I think it is magic book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't read it, but that's very heard of.
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  Speaker 2: That actually, yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: Uh listening, guys, I got an appointment in five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: I hit to cut it short. I gotta yeah wrap
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  Speaker 3: up if that's all right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, do you think maybe we should just wrap up
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  Speaker 2: the whole show now anyway? Then maybe just get him
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  Speaker 2: back on totally fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we can do that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I actually would love to get you back
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: on Robert to talk maybe if you wanted you more
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: about your ends as well. I mean, I don't know
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: how personal we got into that. Fuck yeah, you know
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: when you hit me with it, that's all the show
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  Speaker 2: on itself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, this is why I sounds I like
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: him as a guest. I was like, oh fuck, we
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: got MDes very interesting.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm moving for it. Yeah, I'm up forever and
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: sent me up if I'm free, I'm free.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: So yeah, no, but I thank you very much. So,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: you know, with your experience and talking about you know,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: how you got into Bible magic and you know the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: stuff that you used, it was very interesting. You had
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: me actually thinking a lot in this episode, tell you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: the truth. I was going in rabbit down rabbit holes
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: in my head about stuff that Poltavius are saying. Very interesting,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: very interesting. Yeah, Sonri real quick. If you want remind
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  Speaker 2: everybody where they can find all your amazing work.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me at www dot the Order
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: of Chastmagic dot com for now. Shortly we'll be transitioning
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: over to Chaos Witchcraft dot Org will be the new
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: U r L. But you know, ittos is going to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: readirect you see either one. It's fine. I got a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: book coming out in October. You can get that on
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Amazon now. If you want to get the special edition
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: leather hardbound, you can find that at the order Ofcastmagic
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  Speaker 3: dot com slash. I have ten left to sell and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: that is it. There will never be any more ten
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: of fifty. And another cool thing that I'm doing that
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I just started I just kind of added yesterday is
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: a spiritual entrepreneurpreneership coaching package. So if you are an
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: astrologery or tarror reader, occultis of any kind and you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: want to start making income from your knowledge and experience,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: you want to learn how to do that, then come
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: talk to me and I'll set you up.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Lito. Very nice, man, very nice. Thank you very much
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: again for coming on, and thank you so much for
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: bringing Robert on. Man. So yeah, good stuff. Definitely definitely
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: enjoyed this conversation. And Robert, please let everybody know where
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: they can find your subsecond, I guess whatever social media
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: To promote literally just Robert Peter services. Just go on
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Instagram is probably thesest way in and there's like a link
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: on there as well. I've also got two wait, three
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: chat books as well, which I haven't even advertised. I've
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: had them done for like a year and a half
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: and I've sold them like a couple of them to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: like people and stuff that might be interested that I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: think they're applicable to things. But yeah, if.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: You want to like purchase some or whatever, like dmme.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: There are one of them's on Planetary Magic, one of
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: them on Angelic Magic, and then the other one is
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: on Goetic Magic. But I won't sew you the Goetic
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: one unless you're.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: You're chills the other day. Yeah, It's kind of like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: a vetting process. The reason why I do it like
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: that is because I'm going to make sure that you
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: actually like and not going to cause yourself to go
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: into psycho yeah, psychosis or something like from working with
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: this ship.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Really really smart. It's very responsible to you. You are Robert.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: Do you have your you have a proper website like
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: a Robert Peter dot com?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: No, No, I do, I do. But it's ship the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: moment shit. I've been trying to build it for a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: long time.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to help you fix it out man.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sweet, you make that happen soon.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Une yeah, thank you very much, Robert again, I really
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: thoroughly enjoy the conversation. Definitely look forward to get you
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: back on again in the future man, for sure. For sure.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Likewise it's been an absolute pleasure.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, and Snary again,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: thank you very much for getting them on. And well, yeah,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: that is the end of another Recult Rejects and until
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: the next one, everybody be well. Later