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JOEL GARBON - WHAT IT'S LIKE TO TALK URANTIA TO A NATIONAL AUDIENCE · Urantia Radio

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  All right, well, we have Joel Garvin on the program.
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  Joel's been on the show, I think this four or five times.
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  We talked about UFOs and its relationship to the Urantia book
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  and all things about that. And Joel, if you're familiar, is
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  a is an engineer by trade and lives on the West Coast.
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  And he was recently on a national program called Coast to
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  Coast. Now, being in radio for as long
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  as I've been, Coast to Coast is the number one radio program on
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  the air across America. It's on like 1000 radio
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  stations. It's on shortwave.
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  It's used to be hosted by a guy by the name of Hard Bell who
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  sort of set things in motion. So on that show, they talk a lot
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  about the supernatural. They talk about ghosts, they
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  talk about the paranormal. And this week, they talked to
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  Joel Garban, your Rancher Book reader, about the Center for
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  Unity and what's going on. And Joel, step in here.
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  What was it like to be on knowing you're being being heard
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  by 8 million people? Well, hey, Jim, Great, great,
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  great to be back on. With you, yeah.
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  Yeah, I, yeah, it was, it was a wonderful opportunity to be back
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  on the Coast to Coast AM program.
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  You know, I, I had been on that show twice before, but it was on
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  the topic of breakthrough energy technologies, which was
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  something that I was heavily involved in.
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  And the last time I was on that program was about 8 years ago.
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  So, you know, when I, when I got involved with the Center for
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  Unity about a year ago or so, one of the things that I had
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  committed to the group was, was this idea that I think I can get
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  on the Coast to Coast radio show and, and, you know, basically
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  try to get more exposure for the Center for Unity projects.
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  And I was getting a little bit worried that that, that, that,
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  that it may not happen. And so I was getting a little
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  despondent about that. But then all of a sudden I got a
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  call from the producers of the program and they said, Hey, you
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  want to come on coast? And I said, yeah.
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  And I, and here's what I want to talk about.
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  And I, I proposed the topic of ETS and religion and, and they
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  accepted that. And of course that allowed me to
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  to dovetail in the topic of the Urantia book.
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  And then of course the Center for Unity projects as auxiliary
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  to that. So we had we had a really great
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  2 hour interview between the host, George Nori and myself.
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  It included call in audience members.
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  There were several folks who who called in with questions and
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  that was, that was a lot of fun. And I'll tell you the, the
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  Purdue or the, the host of the program, George Nori, he, he
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  just continuously asked questions about the Urantia book
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  through that full 2 hour interview.
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  It really was remarkable. So we had a chance to to do a
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  real deep dive on a number of the topics that, you know,
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  anyone who reads the book would be familiar with.
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  And it just totally blew away my expectations for how much we
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  would be able to go into depth about it.
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  And I got to make a good strong plug for the Center for Unity
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  and the Discover Jesus project and the Jesus Chatbot project.
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  And apparently the Rick Lyon at the Center for Unity, he had
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  been closely monitoring the metrics as far as the website
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  traffic for CFU. And then, you know, Discover
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  Jesus website and they, they took a real bump, a real bump up
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  in the traffic, which is exactly what we were hoping to get.
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  And so I, I do feel really good about that, just really happy.
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  I kind of feel a bit a bit vindicated.
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  You know. That, you know, I kind of put,
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  put this commitment out there and that now it's been fulfilled
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  and I'm just so grateful that, that it's worked out.
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  And there were some really cool things that happened that I have
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  to, to definitely credit, you know, the, the spiritual forces
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  that are working with us on this.
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  I mean, I'll, I'll just use the word Holy Spirit because that's
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  the way I, I just tend to speak about, you know, the, the spirit
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  sponsor. So whatever whatever the the
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  subfolder was or the sub person, it's it originally would be
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  either through the Divine Mother or through Michael himself.
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  So yeah, we're all bases are covered, right, You know?
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  Yeah, exactly. So, so some of some of the cool,
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  some of the cool things that really happened was, you know,
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  Rick Lyon from CFU, you know, as I was kind of lamenting that
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  this, this, this opportunity to be on a program came much later
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  than what I'd earlier, earlier hoped.
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  And he said, he said, no, Joel, actually the timing is really
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  good because now the bandwidth of the website had been
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  increased to be able to handle much more traffic.
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  And as you know, Jim, when, when you are on a major program and
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  all of a sudden a bunch of people suddenly check out a
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  website, they can crash the website if you get too traffic
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  at once. But now the bandwidth had been
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  increased for the CFU website and and the other project
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  websites. So they were able to handle that
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  increase traffic easily. The other thing was that the
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  amount of content that's now on the the Discover Jesus website
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  is way, way more than it was just even a few months ago.
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  So there's a lot more things for, for people to see on that
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  one. And now also there been about
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  50,000 questions submitted to the Ask Jesus chatbot.
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  So to be able to even say that on the, the interview gives it a
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  lot of credibility. So, so from Rick's standpoint,
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  the timing was much, much better now.
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  So, so that, that was great. Then the other thing that was
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  just an amazing, call it a coincidence if you will, but I,
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  I, I think it's more than a coincidence.
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  The, the guest on the, the coast program right before me and the
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  way they, they do it, they have two different segments.
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  They have, they have a first half guest and then the
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  second-half guest. I was the second-half guest and
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  and so that was a 2 hour time slot from midnight till 2:00 AM.
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  The 1st guest in the the 10:00 PM to midnight was a very, very
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  well known UFO researcher named Richard Dolan.
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  And Dolan has a very strong following and the coast to coast
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  listening audience really, really likes him.
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  They really respect him. And so having Richard Dolan on
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  that first segment definitely increased the listenership for
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  that particular night. And so, so that of course, would
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  carry over into my own segment because he, he's, he's, you
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  know, really, I mean, he's, he's a celebrity basically and
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  definitely contributed. And, and Richard and I also know
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  each other and are, are definitely, you know, on a
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  friendly basis. And right at the end of his
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  interview, he made a very generous and, and nice
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  compliment to me and my work. And that was just a beautiful
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  Segway and a real boost, you know, going into, you know, my
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  segment of the show. So it could not have been more
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  beautifully orchestrated. And I, you know what?
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  And I really appreciate that, you know, the folks on the
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  program, including the producers, the webmasters, and
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  the host himself, George Nori, the opportunity they gave us.
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  But I am absolutely sure that, you know, the, the, the Holy
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  Spirit was, you know, very much in tune with what was going on
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  and was helping to orchestrate things so that we got maximum
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  leverage out of the opportunity. So I I just really feel on a
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  high right now. Good job, Yeah.
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  About this and I'm really grateful that that you were
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  having me on the program right now to talk to, you know, your
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  audience and, and just let him know, hey, this was a really
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  cool thing that happened and gave increased exposure to
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  something that we all believe is quite important.
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  Well, I am glad that you let me know because being the fan I am
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  of you and your work and your research, and you know, I'm a
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  big advocate that we need to be talking about this book in a
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  more open fashion. Because it just happened that I
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  was reading today that some of the feedback from the Kansas
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  City study session that went on just a couple weeks ago in July
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  in Kansas City. And there were a lot of notable
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  Urantia book readers there, some generational and someone had
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  asked, you know, how are the 1st 70 years of the revelation
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  going? And surprisingly, or maybe not
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  surprisingly, a lot of people said, you know, we could have
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  done a better job. We have.
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  We've sort of dragged our feet a little bit in some ways of
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  publicly talking about the book and in creating awareness.
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  I think somebody made the point it might have been Mark Wood or
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  maybe it was maybe even been most Eagle.
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  But someone had made the comment that, you know, it was shrouded
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  during the early years pre publication, the whole group of
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  400 or so people that were part of the, the, the, you know, the
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  people that reviewed the book, you know, there was such an air
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  of secrecy. There was an air of secrecy
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  around it. You had to sign an oath.
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  And so it was kind of hard to to go from total secrecy about the
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  Urantia book to now it's published.
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  Now it's time to herald the new revelation.
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  And I think we're now kind of getting some momentum with the
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  CFU and what the great work that they're doing and all of the
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  people out there, the quality of the work now that people are
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  writing about, it's just it's starting to to take a it's
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  starting to solidify, You know, in many ways.
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  You going on Nori is a big deal because, you know, obviously the
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  midwayers and the Seraphs of, of destiny, they work with, with,
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  with us and, and, you know, if they're coordinating things
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  behind the scenes. So let's just say that the
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  people who needed to hear probably heard it and we may
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  have touched some people. There's a lot of lonely people
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  out there, man, you and I both know, I think they're hungry.
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  They're hungry for something that will give them some meaning
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  in their life. And I think a lot of people
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  through the Urantia book will rediscover the teachings of
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  Jesus. And it's almost like I get the
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  sense that people want the Jesus without the luggage.
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  You know, they want the, you know, they want the Jesus
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  without the church. That's what it seems like to me
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  because the church now has become so intertwined in the
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  culture as they talk about. And what is it, paper one O 9 or
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  one O 7, the social problems of religion.
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  But it is true, we could do more.
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  And I think if they're celebrities that read the
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  Urantia book, they should talk about it.
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  You know, if you're why not? Why not?
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  I mean, you hear Madonna talking about being part of whatever
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  she's a part of and all these other weird, You know, we might
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  as well join the fray and introduce the word urantia to
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  the lexicon. And and that could be a healthy
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  first step and, and, and take whatever we get.
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  But the days of moving about in secret, I don't think that's
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  what the Melchizedek missionaries did, or the Sethite
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  priests, or or even the the apostles of Jesus.
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  They didn't go around whispering the Gospel.
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  You know right You. Want to hear something really
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  cool? Yeah, you're, you're you're
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  exactly right. I mean, they were called
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  evangelists, right? You know Jesus was training
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  evangelists, not not, you know, ascetics.
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  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, but here's the
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  thing. And then this is the most
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  amazing thing. And and it's one of the reasons
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  we've had Yuan. I think that the reason that we
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  have not had contact with ET life is because they look at us
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  and they know that we are really backward.
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  And the thing about the Urantia book is it declares that Jesus
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  is not only the creator Son of man, son of God, of our world,
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  but he's the son of man and son of God for all the world's.
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  That's a big expansion on a theme.
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  And and most people would be like, what you mean?
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  If I go to planet Pleiades, they're going to know about
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  Jesus, say they'll know about Michael, they'll know about us.
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  If they're an advanced society, they're probably going to know
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  about us. You know, we, we know that we've
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  been severed because of the quarantine.
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  So we don't get that extra space broadcast that we would normally
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  be entitled to. And we're thousands of years
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  away from that, but we got to get going.
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  I mean, we're So what did they say?
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  We're a, we're a full epic behind in terms of our spiritual
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  and intellectual growth. And I think the Arantia book is
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  going to prepare us for the shock when we finally do get to
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  that point where we discover that there's not only life, but
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  there's abundant life. What?
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  What? Do you?
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  Well, yeah, Yeah, Jim. So we have right now in our
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  midst intense interest in activity even at the
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  congressional level in the United States, looking at this
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  whole topic of UFOs, ET visitations, all of this.
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  I mean, this is a very important moment as far as bringing this
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  topic into the mainstream. You know what, what does the
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  have to say about why there even is celestial interest in this
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  planet? I mean they name a couple of
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  them actually I think. I think they named three
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  different reasons. You know, 1 is that we are a
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  life modification sphere, you know, a decimal planet, one
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  where there are new forms of life that are here and they
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  don't exist anywhere else. So that's one reason why they're
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  there is interest in our planet from other extraterrestrial
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  cultures. The other key reason is that
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  Jesus chose this for his 7th bestow.
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  He chose our beleaguered little, you know, double handicapped
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  world to be the one where he came and basically revealed
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  himself to the human order of being.
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  And, you know, that translates to to the whole universe of, you
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  know, nearly 4 million planets to this point in the universe of
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  of Nebadon. And so they're like, wow, you
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  know, he chose to go to that little blue-green sphere there.
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  You know, let's go check that out.
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  And then a third reason they say is that there's an Archangel
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  headquarters here on our planet, which apparently is, is quite
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  unusual. And at that, that draws extra
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  interest. So anyway, the, the, you know,
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  they use the term student visitors to describe, you know,
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  human beings from other planets who, who have the sophistication
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  and the ability to travel, you know, from world to world,
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  basically doing, you know, research or observation or
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  other, other forms of, of study and, you know, probably various
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  kinds. And they've been coming here for
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  a long time, and for good reason.
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  Well, you know, if we've got celestial visitors coming here
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  to understand more about our planet, well, how about if, if
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  the native inhabitants of our world start to learn a little
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  bit more about our planet and its history, its origin, its
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  destiny, the time seems to be really ripe.
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  So I, I think we're in a very, very leveraged moment right now.
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  And it, it's exciting. I think it's really exciting.
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  I think it's exciting too. And, and it's warranted too,
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  because we see society seemingly coming apart at the at the
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  seams. You know, it seems like the
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  fabric of society, everything's being questioned.
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  But the Urantia book very clearly says, you know, we're
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  out of the safe harbors and now we're on the rough seas and, and
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  much is going to be decided. But more things are happening
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  now in this generation and in the following generations that
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  have happened in the entirety of human history.
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  So these aren't exciting times, depending on your perspective.
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  And yeah. And only good, I think, could
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  come now from trying to expose people to at least the truths of
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  the Urantia book that will widen the scope and not make them feel
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  so helpless as if there's no meaning to the universe.
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  Because that's the sad part. There are a lot of people, a lot
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  of young people today that's like, I don't know what to
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  believe in anymore. And yes, and that's where we can
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  come in and make a big difference because we're not a
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  religion. You know, people don't always
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  try to, you know, they, they take preconceived notions and
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  they apply them to you and they say, oh, you're just another
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  religion. No, there's, there's no church,
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  you know, there's no priest. It's just the book and what you
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  get from it and how it can change your perspective on your
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  life and the life of people around you and it it will make
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  you a better person. And you'll want to be a better
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  person once you realize what the universal plan of ascension is
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  really all about. So.
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  Yeah, that is such a key point, Jim, and I'm glad that that you
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  do, you know, remind your audience of that, that that hey,
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  these are teachings. This is information.
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  These are not, this is not a church.
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  This is not a cult. This is this is not dogma or
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  anything doctrinal, anything like that.
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  This, this is information and wisdom teachings in a book that
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  are meant to uplift all of humanity, no matter your
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  background, whether it's your, your this culture or of this
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  profession or or of this ethnicity or this religion.
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  It's meant to uplift everybody. And, and I'm glad that you you
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  do regularly remind your listeners of that.
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  I tried to do that, you know, on the the coast to coast
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  appearance as well to. And I know that the audience
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  there, I think a lot of it is, is Christian leaning, which, you
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  know, that's great, but also a lot of it is not.
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  And I wanted them to understand that, hey, this is for
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  everybody. This is for everybody.
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  And you know, if you just take a look at it, especially the the
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  teachings of Jesus, which can be applied to to everybody's life
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  and can uplift them and help them develop a personal
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  relationship with the creator and, and everyone could benefit
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  from that indefinitely. The emphasis was put on how
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  challenged our youth are at this moment and with the the cultural
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  pressures that are on them. And many of those cultural
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  pressures are inverted and some of them even perverted.
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  And it is it is putting a world of hurt on our young people.
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  And so I started out the program with a deep concern about the
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  the the unprecedented rates of depression and anxiety and
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  feelings of hopelessness and lack of meaning and purpose in
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  the lives of young people. And that we want to address what
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  you know, I've called the God sized hole in the heart that
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  these young people are experiencing.
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  We want to help correct that. And the Urantia book provides
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  what what we all recognize as the best the best remedy for
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  this. If they come to become familiar
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  with the life and teachings of Jesus, as it's presented in the
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  Urantia book on awful lot of these young people are going to
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  feel a revert, a resurgence of hope and and they're going to
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  have a renewal of purpose and meaning.
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  And it's it's time we're ready. In fact, this is the time we
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  can't wait around anymore for this.
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  And Jim, I got to tell you something that's funny is this
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  weekend, I guess, as I was kind of getting ready for for the
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  interview, just the thought came to me of, you know, I'm going to
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  go get have some little business cards printed up that have the
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  that have the websites of the discoverjesus.com and then the
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  website for ask Jesus chat bot. And just going to have those
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  those just shown prominently on a little business card and over
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  the top of it was just going to be a little byline that says
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  inspiring youth and young adults.
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  And so I just went out and just printed it gone, printed it up
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  at the local OfficeMax, got a box of 250 of them.
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  And then yesterday, on the heels of having finished that Coast to
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  Coast interview the night before, I went out to a place to
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  get breakfast and there were several tables full of, of young
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  adults there. And I gave, I gave those cards,
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  which is a little brief, you know, brief question and a brief
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  request. And it, and it simply went like
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  this. I said, I said hi.
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  You know, I'm working with some people who are, who are very
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  concerned about why young people are feeling so turned off by the
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  life and teachings of Jesus as it's currently being presented
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  to them. We would like your feedback on a
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  couple of projects that we're working on.
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  Here are the websites. Would you please just take two
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  minutes to check them out at your convenience and give us
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  feedback? Thank you.
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  And and just did that to a couple of these small groups of
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  young people and they're like, yeah, sure.
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  And that's it. It was, it was like a maybe a
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  one minute interaction. So wasn't obtrusive, wasn't
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  preachy, nothing, and just gave them the business card and and
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  in a way and and we can do things as simple as that.
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  That can can be an intriguing little introduction and simple
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  request. And then just let it go where
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  it's gonna go. Yeah.
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  And I think because all of these, all of these young people
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  are already have their, their smartphone in their hand, if not
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  right there next to them with within that 2 minutes, they
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  already can check it out and, and be like, oh, wow, either
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  either like, huh, wow, that's kind of neat.
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  And they might instantly start sharing it with their social
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  network. That's the way.
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  To do it. Or maybe they're like, well, I'm
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  not really interested in looking this right now, but some of them
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  definitely will go like, wow, I'm going to look, look at this
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  more deeply and they're going to start sharing it.
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  There's lots of ways we could do the outreach.
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  There's no, there's never been a time where you can reach more
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  people. I don't know if I've ever said
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  this before, but it's a great quote that a guy mentioned.
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  If for people who are familiar with Jordan Peterson, he says in
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  your lifetime, you'll meet 1000 people and every one of the
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  people that you meet, they'll also meet 1000 people each,
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  which puts you one person away from influencing 1,000,000
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  people. Wow, that's cool.
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  And you and it's one of these simple little things that what
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  you just did or yeah, that's that's the kind of, you know,
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  just nudging people, letting them know it's there, you know,
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  mentioning it, getting them familiar.
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  Sometimes I'll do if there's something in the news like, you
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  know this story where it talks about the part and the whole and
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  it talks about the ramifications of, of sin and how everybody
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  shares in the victories of like in a family, you share the
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  victories that you're the members of the families, but you
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  also share in the defeats. Yes.
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  And that's an important lesson to learn because when we're all
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  shocked by shootings and and the things that we see, we're all
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  affected by it because we're all part of the same family.
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  And none of that's going to go away until we work cooperatively
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  as one family to restore the moral equilibrium that is out of
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  whack. And we do that through our
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  personal relationships and just getting the truth out there, the
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  truth, the light of truth out there can have such a
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  transforming effect. And you know that, I know that.
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  We all know that. So.
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  But Joel, you know, it's really great to catch up with you.
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  And I'm so glad. And I know anybody who heard
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  Joel Garvin on. And, you know, they play those
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  as repeats often on the weekend or on Sunday night.
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  So you're bound to get, if you got a lot of caller reaction,
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  they'll know and they'll play that maybe a few times.
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  So good. Good job on that one, you know.
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  Yeah. Hey, Jim, if I could let so.
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  So let me inform folks how they can definitely listen to that
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  program on Coast to Coast, you know, and, and can do it
• 27:42
  directly and quickly If you go, if you go to
• 27:45
  thecoasttocoastam.com website and then they have what they
• 27:52
  call their Coast Insider. That's the name of their
• 27:57
  subscribers. And I, I think it's just $5 for
• 28:02
  a monthly subscription that allows you to listen to all of
• 28:08
  their archive programs, not just, it's not like 5 bucks for
• 28:11
  one program, it's 5 bucks for all of their archive programs.
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  And so all you would need to do is, is to, is to subscribe there
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  for a A1 month of, of 5 bucks and then go to the September 3
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  episode with, you know, with, you know, my name, Joel Garban
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  on there. And, and you'll be able to
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  listen to it with no commercial interruptions.
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  And of course, there's all kinds that and I would encourage you
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  to listen to the, the Richard Dolan episode that was just
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  prior to mine as well, because you'll see how it dovetailed in
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  so beautifully, almost like, you know, it was seemed to be
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  orchestrated and there's all kinds of other things you could
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  listen to. So anyway that that's something
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  that people may choose to to do if they want to listen to that 2
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  hour interview. OK, sounds good.
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  And you can also just Google coast to coast with George Nori
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  and it's NOORE Nori. All right, Joel, good to catch
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  up with you and I'm really happy that you were able to do that
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  and we could share with our your Rancho book family.
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  So thanks again for coming on the show.
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  I appreciate it and God bless you and your family and we'll
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  talk to you soon. Sounds good.
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  Thank you, Jim.