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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-12-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics, I never thought I would care so
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  Speaker 3: know what I think. I think that the ice dancing
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  Speaker 3: I think the ice dancing world knows exactly what it's
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  Speaker 3: of things in the Olympic world today, breaking news this morning,
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  Speaker 3: and Gordy Chase is going to join us here in studio,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm very curious to see what his thoughts are
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  Speaker 3: on this. So trade j Jaron Jackson Jr. Newly acquired
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  Speaker 3: by the Utah Jazz blockbuster deal right before the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 3: You heard Spence check I could say it. I thought
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  Speaker 3: this was gonna be the reality. We joked, tongue in cheek,
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  Speaker 3: semi serious but kind of serious, saying, hey, Jared Jackson
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  Speaker 3: JUNR is gonna fly to Salt Lake City. He's gonna
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  Speaker 3: find out. In Spence's case, he said, find out he's
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  Speaker 3: got a back problem. Well that's not what happened. He
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  Speaker 3: has a knee problem instead. PVNS and as all of
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  Speaker 3: you know, pigmented vilonodular sina vitis, a rare and benign,
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  Speaker 3: non cancerous tumor that caused the joint lining to thicken
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  Speaker 3: and overgrow inside the knee. Usually affects adults age twenty
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  Speaker 3: to fifty. It could cause painful swelling, stiffness, and locking.
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  Speaker 3: You've got effectively a little node in your knee that's
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  Speaker 3: l and so it will cause the need to lock
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  Speaker 3: lock up, were joined to lock up.
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  Speaker 5: He's dealing with notes. Yeah, that's terrible. He got notes,
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  Speaker 5: just like on Pitch Perfect two. So what do you
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  Speaker 5: do to correct this?
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  Speaker 3: Well, surgical interventions are largely effective. But what what does
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  Speaker 3: it mean for the Utah Jazz. It means that this
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  Speaker 3: defensive minded, all star caliber player that you just acquired
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  Speaker 3: to help your team, well, he is going to be
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  Speaker 3: out for the rest of the year. Curious does it
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  Speaker 3: say does it say out out for the season?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and we assume it will be I didn't know.
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  Speaker 5: I was curious about that if it if we're just assuming,
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  Speaker 5: or if it's officially out.
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  Speaker 6: For the year.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, let me see.
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  Speaker 3: The first one I saw said that he should he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be shut down for the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Well with this, the ESPN article does not say out
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of the year, and the press release
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  Speaker 3: didn't say anything about that, which that's typical. They're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna give that designation till they till probably after the surgery.
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  Speaker 3: The team, let's say, Utah four Jaron Jackson Junior will
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  Speaker 3: miss the remainder of the twenty twenty five twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: six NBA season, So look it.
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  Speaker 4: If this were a.
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  Speaker 3: Playoff team, maybe there would be a rehab situation here.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea how invasive the surgery. I had
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  Speaker 3: never heard it. I usually feel like we've kind of
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  Speaker 3: heard of everything under the sun when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: athletic injuries, things that might require surgery with the knee,
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  Speaker 3: I had never heard of pvns, and that is why
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you people, this is a response to the
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  Speaker 3: Jazz being front and center, put in the crosshairs people
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  Speaker 3: trying to manufacture controversy and being like, hey, they're ruining
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  Speaker 3: things the Jazz. It's unaccepted what you're doing. Absolutely a response.
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  Speaker 3: This is exactly the Utah Jazz going. You know what,
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  Speaker 3: turns out he's got like a non season ending injury
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  Speaker 3: that we're gonna make a season ending injury because you
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  Speaker 3: guys are bugging us because people won't shut up about
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  Speaker 3: the way that we are doing our gentleman's tank and
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  Speaker 3: they're allowing everyone else to get a free pass. We're
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  Speaker 3: the ones in your cross hairs because you don't like
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  Speaker 3: the Jazz sitting this brand new guy down lowry marketing down.
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  Speaker 3: You don't like it, fine, he's unavailable. Now, there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: we can do. It's beyond our control. It's PVNS. And
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  Speaker 3: I bet you there's like a bunch of people in
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  Speaker 3: the NBA that had to look up what PVNS was, And.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't it curious?
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it miraculous that in a physical because you know,
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  Speaker 3: he had to have the physical, It had to pass
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  Speaker 3: the physical in order for the trade to be executed
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  Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz are not gonna set and that amount
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  Speaker 3: of player in draft capital to Memphis without knowing that
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  Speaker 3: Jaron Jackson Jr.
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  Speaker 4: Was healthy. The release the release.
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  Speaker 5: Did say they they they knew about this when they
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  Speaker 5: traded for him, and.
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  Speaker 4: They knew about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it wasn't like, oh, he's gonna have to
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  Speaker 3: have surgery on this thing.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't they at that time.
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  Speaker 5: They probably, I mean they didn't say he needed to
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  Speaker 5: have They didn't feel that he needed to have surgery.
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  Speaker 5: Now they for some reason, they for whatever reason, now
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  Speaker 5: they feel like it's time for him to have surgery.
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  Speaker 4: I would be.
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  Speaker 3: Willing to bank on the reality that Jared Jackson Junior
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  Speaker 3: is the type of guy.
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  Speaker 4: What we've seen with him so far in his NBA career.
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  Speaker 3: What we've seen with him is a willingness to play
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  Speaker 3: the kind of basketball that other players are not willing
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  Speaker 3: to play, to focus on defense, to be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more gritty, Right, I'm going to go out on
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  Speaker 3: a limb, not knowing the guy personally, not having had
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity to interview him, even I'm gonna go out
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  Speaker 3: on a limb and say he would play through this
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  Speaker 3: for the remainder of the season, probably.
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  Speaker 4: Because it is one of those things. I was looking
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  Speaker 4: it up last night.
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  Speaker 3: It is one of those things that it's pain management,
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  Speaker 3: it's annoying. It's actually not likely that you're going to
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  Speaker 3: make it much worse by exerting yourself on it. You're
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  Speaker 3: not likely to cause any serious problems if you play
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  Speaker 3: on it.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of folks that have PVNS.
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  Speaker 3: It goes undiagnosed and untreated because a they're not professional
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  Speaker 3: athletes and they're like, got a little crick in my knee,
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  Speaker 3: This knee catches sometimes whatever, I'm gonna go about my life.
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  Speaker 5: And it's and even if they did get it looked at,
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  Speaker 5: they'd find, oh, it's a tumor, but it's benign whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Over the course of a.
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  Speaker 3: Career, it can contribute to the development of arthritis.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm glad he's getting it fixed now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want guys, especially guys that size, to
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  Speaker 3: be It is one of the sad realities of seeing
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  Speaker 3: aging NBA basketball players where they can't move. They have
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  Speaker 3: a hard time walking around. You see like sixty year
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  Speaker 3: old guys with canes. So I'm glad he's getting it
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  Speaker 3: taken care of. But this absolutely is the timing of
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  Speaker 3: this absolutely is a response by Trey j himself, but
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  Speaker 3: certainly by the Utah Jazz and saying, all right, fine,
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  Speaker 3: you don't like the way we're doing our gentleman's tank,
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  Speaker 3: then we will do it the old fashioned way and
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  Speaker 3: we will make this guy unavailable for the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the year. The surgery is gonna happen now instead of
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  Speaker 3: after the All Star break or when whenever we decided
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  Speaker 3: that we had assessed and sessed out the kind of
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  Speaker 3: chemistry that he has with his teammates.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna shut it down now.
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  Speaker 7: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 3: I would be willing to what's the polymarket Calshi? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if there's if there's a way I can make if
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  Speaker 3: I can make bets on whether or not he would
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  Speaker 3: have played the rest of the season had it not
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  Speaker 3: been for this tanking conversation A futures mark proud There
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  Speaker 3: how many more games? Is prediction market? Jared Jackson Junior
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  Speaker 3: gonna play? Will Jared Jackson Junior play the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the season? I mean, come on, man, and look, I'm
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  Speaker 3: glad he's gonna get it taken care of. And the
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  Speaker 3: positive side of this, Ledger for the Utah Jazz and
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  Speaker 3: for the Utah Jazz fans, is this is not a
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  Speaker 3: career threatening or even a season a meaningful season threatening
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  Speaker 3: type injury and surgery, barring complications, He's gonna be fine.
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  Speaker 3: He'll recover from this to the fullness of his physical capacities.
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  Speaker 3: And now you've got a guy who is rested, probably
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  Speaker 3: champion at the BID a little bit to get back
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  Speaker 3: into se basketball and when you hit the ground as
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  Speaker 3: a team next fall for a season that we've watched
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  Speaker 3: this acceleration of expectations. Now you've got a Jared Jackson
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  Speaker 3: junior that is like fully done, rehabbed, ready to go
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  Speaker 3: from a knee problem that thankfully wasn't that severe of
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  Speaker 3: a knee problem in the first place.
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  Speaker 4: And because he's going.
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  Speaker 3: To be out of the lineup for the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the year, it's going to take the Jazz out of
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  Speaker 3: this weird week long conversation they've been in where they've
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  Speaker 3: been in the crosshairs of the NBA in the NBA
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  Speaker 3: media saying you're the ones who are doing something wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Now the Jazz are just like, Okay, can't control this.
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  Speaker 3: He's out, he's out, and there's nothing we can do
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  Speaker 3: about it, and we're getting him taken care of. He's
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  Speaker 3: still on your roster, he's still under contract, he's still
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  Speaker 3: part of the core. He's just not going to be
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  Speaker 3: available to Will Hardy and this team. The only thing
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  Speaker 3: I don't like about it is the fact that I
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  Speaker 3: think it's always good when teammates can spend time together,
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  Speaker 3: when they can play together, when they could be on
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  Speaker 3: the floor together. And this was going to be a
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  Speaker 3: practice run all year longer of this season. For however
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  Speaker 3: much they were gonna let Lowry and tray J and
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  Speaker 3: Kyante and whoever play together. All of that is just practice.
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  Speaker 3: It's just reps. It's just building chemistry. It's getting to
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  Speaker 3: know one another. It's figuring out each other's timing and
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  Speaker 3: spacing and things like that. It's unfortunate that now you
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  Speaker 3: don't get that because it is a head start on
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  Speaker 3: a season that next year we think, we hope is
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a meaningful season, a competitive season to try
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  Speaker 3: to get to the playoff season, and any reps that
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  Speaker 3: you could see with these guys playing alongside one another
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  Speaker 3: are valuable in that effort. Now those things get taken
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  Speaker 3: away from you. That's the downside here. But the fact
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  Speaker 3: that that you todg azz are throwing up the double
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  Speaker 3: barrel middle fingers at the NBA with this and just
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  Speaker 3: be like, oh, surgery happens now, then you guys want
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  Speaker 3: to talk about us like we're the problem. Fine, tray
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  Speaker 3: J's gone, Fine, he's out for the year. Small correction.
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  Speaker 5: The I said I said in the press release says
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  Speaker 5: they knew about this at the time of the trade.
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  Speaker 5: It's said they did do a physical, but I I
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  Speaker 5: was remembering it wrong from this morning. The growth was
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  Speaker 5: a post trade physic. Was was identified in a post
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  Speaker 5: trade physical. Just small correction there. So they a post
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  Speaker 5: trade physical. They knew what they knew about it after
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  Speaker 5: the trade. Okay, not a big deal. Just wanted to
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  Speaker 5: look put that correct.
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  Speaker 4: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably not something that would affect the trade value
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  Speaker 3: if they knew about it. It probably isn't something that
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  Speaker 3: would have changed the package that the Jazz are willing
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  Speaker 3: to give up.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, because again their timeline, you know, they take two
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  Speaker 4: of those first round picks back.
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  Speaker 3: They were not adding Jared Jackson Junior to the roster
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  Speaker 3: to say, hey, we're going to compete right this second,
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna do this now, and like there's plenty of
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  Speaker 3: teams that were looking for that right there.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, you know what that now that we're
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  Speaker 5: getting a little we're reading between the lines on this
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  Speaker 5: OC and and going, you know, this is a convenient
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  Speaker 5: time for them to say there's one of their stars
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  Speaker 5: is out for the season and and shrewd move by them.
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  Speaker 5: I'm one I wonder if they I wonder if after
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  Speaker 5: all of this noise around them, Bobby Marks in that mix,
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  Speaker 5: who we're gonna talk to at one o'clock about this,
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  Speaker 5: if they said, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what, Lowry jarin.
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  Speaker 3: Nerk Keyante, you're all going, you're all we're all doing
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  Speaker 3: MRIs and they're they were looking to find some reason
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  Speaker 3: to to say one of those, one or more of
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  Speaker 3: those guys is out for the years, so that we
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  Speaker 3: can get this spotlight, this terrible spotlight off of us.
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  Speaker 4: You know what we're gonna see.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna see, like, uh, Lowry Market expect to miss
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the Utah Jazz season to have his
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: wisdom teeth removee. Just if you got anything you want
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  Speaker 3: to clean up, maybe maybe you're looking for a little
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  Speaker 3: cosmetic procedure. Maybe maybe Kyante George is just maybe Nirk
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  Speaker 3: wants a nose job, just like he's gonna.
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  Speaker 4: The recovery is exactly four months.
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  Speaker 3: Bad news everyone use of Nurk. It is gonna be
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  Speaker 3: out for the rest of the season. He's going to
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  Speaker 3: Turkey to get hair implants.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I I don't think that teams do that.
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  Speaker 4: But it makes you go, why did he have this MRI?
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  Speaker 3: Were they was this an MRI to find something to say,
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  Speaker 3: you know what that might need surgery. Look, it's a
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  Speaker 3: real syndrome. It's a real thing. It definitely is. It's BVNS.
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  Speaker 3: I again, hadn't heard of it before yesterday, or I
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  Speaker 3: guess hadn't heard of it before this morning. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: researched this morning exactly what this is, and it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: so it's like it's a little tumor that by the way,
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  Speaker 3: even after you get it taken out, more likely that
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  Speaker 3: because you have this genetic predisposition and a history of it,
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  Speaker 3: it could just pop back up and you might have
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  Speaker 3: to get it cleaned up again.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of times.
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  Speaker 5: What do they call what do football players call those?
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  Speaker 5: Those those clean up certain knee surgeries. They they some
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  Speaker 5: of them, call them it's my will change is this.
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  Speaker 5: He's gonna have to.
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  Speaker 3: Just go get your knee scope, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: in those like you see it with elbows, you see
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  Speaker 3: it with knees when they just go and they like
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  Speaker 3: a tiny little incision, a little robot arm with snippers
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  Speaker 3: on the end of it, and a surgeon is just
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  Speaker 3: playing operation literally and figuratively with like tiny pieces of
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  Speaker 3: your moniscus or hey, there's a bone spur that is
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  Speaker 3: causing some merritation in here, and they just guard tissue.
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  Speaker 4: They just let's just get this out of here. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So so Trey j may have to get may
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  Speaker 5: have to have something like that throughout the rest of
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  Speaker 5: his life to keep cleaning these things up.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I haven't seen anything on the doctor who's
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  Speaker 3: gonna perform the surgery. I don't want it to be Latroge.
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  Speaker 3: Could be doctor James Andrews throwback. Fine, just don't give me.
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  Speaker 3: Just don't give me Latroge. Otherwise we're gonna have Will
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  Speaker 3: Hardy be like, yeah, he should be back for Game
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  Speaker 3: one next year.
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  Speaker 5: If okay, if it is doctor elatroghe we are getting
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  Speaker 5: him on the show this time.
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  Speaker 3: And then at Christmas time, everyone's gonna be like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: when's Trey j coming back? Well, you know, it's a
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  Speaker 3: we didn't really disclose how severe this was.
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  Speaker 4: I I'm starting to think Elatroge just fine. Stuff. That's wrong.
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  Speaker 4: He's like one of those weird doctors who goes.
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  Speaker 3: And leaves like medical implements in people's body cavities.
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  Speaker 5: He he was also did you realize he was also
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers surgeon when he tore his achilles?
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  Speaker 8: H that's right.
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  Speaker 5: Probably I don't Kirk Cousins tore his achilles around the
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: same time.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Who knows.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Maybe he was Kirk Cousins Doctor two. He goes, he's
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: the new doctor James Andrews.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: So applause to the Utah Jazz for being cautious about
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: player health and making sure you put the safety of
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: these young men first and foremost. We know that you
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: were trying earnestly to win all the remaining games of
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: the season, and you're making this sacrifice for the good
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: of Jared Jackson Junior's future.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Well done.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Oh by the way, NBA and everyone, Nick Wright and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: everyone who's just like Jazz.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: The problem is, what's going on here, What are you
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: gonna say about this? You gotta make a play. This
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: is not a severe enough injury. No, all right? And meanwhile,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: crickets about Trey.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Young and Anthony Davis in particular, Like, I know, we
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: keep going back to.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: That, but it's like, that's the most obvious.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: You're choosing to overlook a team who's de liberately not
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: playing their guys who probably could play, to criticize a
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: team who is playing their guys, they're just choosing not
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: to play them in the fourth quarter, Like, come on,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: it's ridiculous. Now, It's like, Okay, you'd prefer if we
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: just don't play them even when they even if there's
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: a chance they could play.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Fine, that's what we'll do too. Brian Windhorse, by the way,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: yesterday was pretty measured.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: With what he said throughout the day.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I was looking, I was finding some other stuff that
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: we didn't get to on the show yesterday about this.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: But he kept using the word egregious when he was
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: talking about the way the Jazz are doing this, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's just that's just the wrong way to describe.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: This, all right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I have another question unrelated junk mail came in this
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: morning official Utah football email from Keeler mcjenkin. And a
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: lot of you probably already know this because you would
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: have gotten the same emails or males from your ticket
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: representative or whatever. But the season ticket renewal period opens today.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Seven game home schedules, so one more than usual Arkansas BYU,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: but a little bit lackluster outside of that, so Idaho, Arkansas,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Utah State, Kansas, Houston BYU, West Virginia. That's that's as
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: lackluster a home slate as you can find.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I think that you can pencil in six out of
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: seven as wins, which is a good thing. You don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: buy tickets season tickets, especially to watch your favorite team,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: being like I hope we're fifty to fifty this year
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: at Rice Ecle Stadium, right. You want to watch your
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: team win, especially at home. It's a pain to go
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: up there, it's a pain to park, it's a pain
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: to get out out of the stadium, it's a pain
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to wait in line for the bathroom whatever. So the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: trade off for you making that sacrifices you want to
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: see these wins. And I think that you know with
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the exception November seventh against BYU, which is gonna be
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a coin flip type game. And actually, let's be honest, boy,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: you will probably be favored in that game because of
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: the roster that they're bringing back, depending on what happens
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: between now and November seventh.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: One significant development in their roster came through last night.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Are you are you renewing your season tickets for the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six campaign? And yes, major breaking news. I'm
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: actually very glad that the Jaron Jackson Junior thing happened
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: as well, because that's been overshadowed.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: That's the Pro Sports franchise. That's a big deal.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: That's a bigger deal, especially on this station than BYU
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: and James. I'll be honest, I don't know. I didn't
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: know the correct way to approach this respectfully, not respectful
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: of the accused, to be respectful of the accuser, to
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: be respectful of the significance, the absolute life changing weight,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the devastation of the allegations and the arrest based on
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: those allegations of Parker Kingston, always leading receiver from last year,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: very talented punt returner, and now I can't help but
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: do it. I know everyone's innocent until proven guilty, but
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: now you see all the videos now, you see the
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: highlights now, and there's just a sinister tone over top
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: all of it, because this stems from an investigation and
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: an accusation from last February twenty third, almost a year ago,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: and every appearance you saw Parker Kingston you actually paid
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: attention to since then came after this incident, an incident
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: that was compelling enough, after evidence gathered, forensic evidence and
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: digital evidence, which was a big part of a lot
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: of the stories on this first degree felony rape.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: And I wasn't able to I wasn't able to find
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: exact clarification on this. But first degree in terms of
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: when you're talking about a murder case, which is what
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: we're most familiar of hearing those that term with is
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: means premeditated. I'm I'm assuming that that's also what first
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: degree means.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And this it is the It is generally defined as
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the most severe form of essay, often involving the use
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: of force, serious injury, or a vulnerable victim. It gives
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: it puts a pit in my stomach talking about this
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: with anyone, talking about it with an athlete who is
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: a forward facing figure who's very public and obviously. Now
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: this is back to back years or Brigham Young University,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: which is supposed to be a football program and an
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: institution that maintains a higher level of moral expectation for
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: everyone there, including their athletes. This is now the second
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: year in a row that a high profile case has emerged.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: We're talking about the best players on this team, the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: most meaningful players on this team, back to back years
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: having these problems. And I should say back to back
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: years that we find out about the ramifications. I think
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: that there was actually more than a year that separated
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: the Parker Kingston incident and the Jake Redslaugh incident in
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: real time of when those incidents actually occurred. But he's
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: in jail right now. There's a bail hearing on Friday
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: at one thirty pm right now, without being held without bail.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Been held without bail because of you got to think,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: because of that first degree nature of the charge. So it's, uh, yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: it's it makes me think of and I told you
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: this off air. It makes me think of the recent
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: unfortunate stuff that happened that happened in Logan right with
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Utah State's football program. You had multiple it was not
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: multiple sexual assault allegations over a short period of time
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: with that football program, and now we're seeing it in
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: provo with BYU and their Utah State came. They were
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: subject to a lot of scrutiny because of that. Blake
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Anderson ultimately lost his job eventually related to that, right,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: And I just I can't help but wonder it's a
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: different it's a different kind of scrutiny because it's not
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: a state school, it's on a public university like Utah State.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: But I can't but wonder if if BYU's football programs
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: shouldn't be put under similar scrutiny at this point after
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: back to back years, these kind of won a civil
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: case and now this one a criminal case similar nature.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Like that's that's.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Something I'm thinking about too, oh see, And that's something
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: that the institution, the coaching staff.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Look, this is it's such a it's.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Such a it really is a hard thing for me
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to talk about because I know Klonie Satake all right.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I firmly, deeply believe that Klonie Satake is the kind
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: of guy that you can trust to like send your
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: kids to.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: You could like you could you.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Could put your kids in childcare at Colonie Satake's house.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: He's a family man. He's got a bunch of kids
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: of his own, he's got young kids of his own.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: He's like, what little I know of his wife, she
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: seems to be an incredible person. This has to be
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: such a such a painful and difficult thing. And again,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: like we did with the rets laugh case, all right,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: you have to start questioning the timeline on when did B,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: why you know B, why you put out a statement
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: after the arrest, after Parker Kingston was taken into custody
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: and taken to jail.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: We've been made aware, we know.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: And then you find out on social media that people
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: were talking about this as kind of an open secret
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: during the season last year, that folks had heard this
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: story in Provo and beyond and in Saint George, that
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: people were just like, yeah, man, that might have happened,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: or yeah, that did happen, or I know a girl
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: this happened to, or I know this accusation is out there.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: How's this guy allowed to play that kind of sty.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: The responsibility of any program led by Kolone Satake or
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scali or Kyle Whittingham or whatever, if this is
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: out there and you're not at least having conversation with
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: your player about what the bleep is going on, especially
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: at a place like BYU, where you're supposed to be,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: where you profess.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: To be.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Squeaky or cleaner, hid better, higher standard.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Right, it should be.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: It should be at the standard of every football team everywhere,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: little league and beyond.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Hey, you know, it's zero tolerance here.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Violence against anyone who is weaker than you, violence against anyone,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and especially young women who might be put in a
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: place of vulnerability and trust where you are involved. I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: will not tolerate anything that colors outside the lines. Anything nothing,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: zero tolerance. That's even with you didn't have the Jake
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Rerhtz left case. That's even if you're not BYU, that's
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: if you're Tennessee Tech, that's if your Utah state that
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: it should be a zero tolerance. I'm taking every allegation seriously.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And look, I have said publicly and I will continue
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: to say, a false allegation should be punished the same
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: way that a crime itself is punished, Because you can
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: ruin a young man's life if you lie on him
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: about things like this. But if you're guilty of something
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: like this, if you're even accused of something like this
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and your coaching staff knows about it and you're playing
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: on Saturdays at BYU of all places, it's disgusting and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: we will get the fullness of the truth as time progresses.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: We'll find out the timeline and when BYU knew about this,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Who at BYU knew about this? Was the Honor Code
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: office involved or was it not involved? Did the coaching
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: staff know or did it not know. We'll find out
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: all of those things. How many teammates knew about this?
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: And guess what, It's going to be an awful story
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: to tell every time, and it's an awful story no
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: matter what the outcome is. My hope is, my sincere hope,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: is that Parker Kingston is exonerated of this crime and
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: it never happened. And not because I want BYU football
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: to be better off or because I want them to
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: have their number one receiver from last year.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I want this not to be true.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I want us to be able to watch college football
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: and to cheer for guys and to say, wow, look
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a look at that successful season that BYU had, Look
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: at what they were able to accomplish unexpectedly with this
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: freshman quarterback. I want us to be able to watch
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: those things and take them at face value and not
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: have to question, well whether or not, Hey, is there
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: somebody on this team that shouldn't be playing right now?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Is there somebody on this team who's got this horrible,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: terrible skeleton in the closet. I want, most of all,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: for that girl, that accuser to never have had something
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: happen to her. That's what I want more than anything.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: So I hope this is a non story. I hope
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: it goes away. I hope that it was all false
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: and it's just completely made up and it's hope.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: I hope, I hope it doesn't mean anything.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: But I this is awful again at BYU twice in
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: two years now, high profile players and guess what, spoiler alert,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Parker Kingston ain't gonna be on the roster next year.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: BYU fans, this is I mean, simply, this case, being
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: a criminal case, is not going to be resolved in
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: enough time. But also yeah, there's no even beyond that,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: there's no way he's gonna be allowed to be on
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: the roster.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Jaron Jackson Junior and your surgery for not
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: making me talk about that for twenty five minutes because
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: ten was way too long for me. We have Gordy
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Chieza here in studio with us today, our resident NBA guru.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he has some thoughts on the timing of
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Trey j surgery expert too. He has also had some
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: significant development. He's on ice dance Olympic ice dancing experts
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and they're have I mean, look, we we've handed out medals.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: There's controversy in ice dancing. All this going on.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: It's the Sean O'Connell Show, just getting rolling ESPN seven
• 33:14
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• 33:27
  Speaker 4: He's out.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: Let's not get crazy.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the day we list today. Here's oh C with basketball
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: sabon Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Good Bond on Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven ninety
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: two on FM. Gordiis a resident NBA guru is here
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: talking all things NBA and all things basketball in general.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: GARDI welcome.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: How are you, John? I'm doing well, Thank you, Gordy.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: The Utah Jazz are gonna be without Jaron Jackson Junior
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: for the remainder of the season. He has a knee
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: syndrome that I was not aware of until I read
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: this story PVNS, a benign tumor that grows in the joint,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: thickens the lining of your knees, and you gotta go
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: in and you gotta snip it out.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Now, the timing of this is.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Interesting because it's coming on the heels of the Utah
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Jazz being uh, you know, the target of a lot
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: of ir around the NBA because of how they were
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: tanking by pulling guys in the fourth quarter, late in
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the third, early fourth whatever.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: And also because.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: You have you have to assume that physicals happen when
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: a trade happens, and the trade physical as far as
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: we could how the trade physical, he was fine. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: then a post trade examination of the knee because obviously
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: he was already playing for the Utah Jazz. Now, oh
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: look we have this, this little this node, this little
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: lump in your knee. What do you make of this?
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: Well, the first thing is that that when he got
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: traded last Thursday. To make the trade official is that
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: each player has to complete a physical by their new team.
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: Otherwise the trade has to is delayed or it's avoided.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: So for example, Shawn last year, remember last year when
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: the when Mark Williams was being traded to the Lakers
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: and he failed the Lakers doctors physical. So that's when
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: the Lakers who were going to acquire Mark Williams from
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: the Hornets and Haunts are going to try Dalton connect
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: Cam Reddish in twenty thirty first round pick and two
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: thirty one another first round pick. The pick was the
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: trade was avoided. So now with the Jazz point of view,
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: is that the question right now I have where I
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: wish there'd be more clarification of it. I'm reading that
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: they discovered the uh, the the growth during the physical
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: after being traded. So after being traded they discovered it,
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: and so the question was did they know that before
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: the trade or that did the Jazz say to the
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: to the to the Grizzlies that whether as a growth
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: or not, it doesn't matter to us that we want
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: to trade for him, and they okated it. We don't.
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: It's a clarification, We don't know that. That's the question.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: The timing of the MRI for.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: The for the Utah Jazz, I mean, the timing is
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: what makes this so interesting to me because for the
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz, h this is this is something that teams do, right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: If a guy has something that otherwise he could play through,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: otherwise would not be a major situation.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: But you're trying to tank.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: You say, you know what, that ankle injury that really
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: is nothing, and we could just tape up and have
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: you play. Suddenly it's severe. Oh those those backspasms that
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: you had one time when you were twenty years old,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: they're back, They have returned, and now we need to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: keep you out of the lineup. Is there any of
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: this going on with the Utah Jazz, especially after they
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: found themselves in the crosshairs of everyone around the NBA saying,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: you know, questioning their integrity as an organization, questioning whether
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: or not they were undermining the integrity of the game.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: All of that unjustified by the way, but it was happening,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: and this could be, in my opinion, a response by
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the Jazz to say, okay, fine, you don't like how
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: we're doing it. We'll do it the old fashioned way. Well,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: pretend this guy has something really severe.
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: Well the actually has it. I'm sure you know exactly.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: He's an be surgery, any type any type of surgery.
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: It's a it's a it's troubling because it affects an
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: athlete's body. So with Jaron Jackson, the surgery will be
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: done by the Jazz doctors next week during All Star break.
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: And that we know Jaron Jackson his age twenty six. Again,
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: it was his left knee. They're removing. Sean mentioned a
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: growth on it. He's out for the reminding of the
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: season quickly the Jazz for Darren Jackson. With the Jazz,
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: he played three games where he was outstanding and he
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: averaged twenty two points per game, four point three rebounds,
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: and two point seven assists, and he played very well.
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: And you get the feeling that if Jaron Jackson would
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: play most of the Jazz games with Larry Mark and
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: and Usive Nurkice and with the Winzor Kanty George Off
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: ankle injury which is legit is a sprained ankle. At
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: the Jess have twenty seven games left that Jazz could
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: win what minimum half those games and that would jeopardize
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: the Jazz, probably finishing eight or below to make sure
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: they get their pick in this year's draft. I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: in the twenty twenty six draft, if they finished nine
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: or above, that pick goes to the of all people thunder.
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: So that's the part of the reason why that this Again,
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: there's questions about it, but no one's questioning that Jaron
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: Jackson has a growth on his knee. The question the
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: issue right now is just the timing of it. That's
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: no one knows the answer until the Jazz gave more
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: more narrative about it.
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  Speaker 3: What does it do to the lineup? I mean, I
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: guess I know the answer to that question because it
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: makes it look a lot like it did before the
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: trade happened. But I mean, how many wins does this
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: take off the slate? Do you think that you're shutting
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: down Jaron Jackson Jr.
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: Well, the first thing as far as wins is that
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: the Jazz, ironically shown last night's win against the Kings,
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: they surpassed less season's win total. Lesser the Jazz finished lesser,
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: the Jazz finished seventeen and sixty five. Right now, the
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: Jazz ran out eighteen and thirty seven. They have twenty
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: seven games left, and what again, some of those games
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: are absolutely winnable no matter who you have, because they
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: there are some of those games they're gonna play against
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: other teams that definitely want to be in the lottery.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: Absolutely so the Jazz, if they had all their guys
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: there playing in earnest with twenty seven games left, they
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: could they could have a winning record those meaning fourteen
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: and thirteen, if not more. And so if you have
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: fourteen wins in thirteen and with eighteen already equals thirty two,
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: So then they're jeopardizing possibly. Again, we don't know the
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: other teams what they're doing as far as if they
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: again this awful word called tanking. Sure on tanking means
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: that you purposely aren't playing all the players that are
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: eligible in a game because you want to look at
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: your younger guys. So it's such a gray area. It's
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: like a gray area, and that's what a lot of
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: teams do, and the NBA is trying. As a matter
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: of fact, they had the NBA Board of Governors had
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: had a a either a meeting or was over it
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: was on a conference call about how can they improve this.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: I'm sure also weekends really is really almost like showing
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: this weekend, all the owners will be there. I'm sure
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: they're going to discuss this. How can they make this
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: not a issue as far as with teams purposely not
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: playing their guys or teams losing to try to get
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: a better chance of getting it. Let's not forget less
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: you in the Jazz when seventeen games they had a
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: fourteen percent chance of getting the first pick and they
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: got the fifth pick fourteen percent, showing you imagine Sean
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: with surgery. Your doctor says to you, you have fourteen
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: percent chance of being successful. Guess what, Doc, don't operate
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: on me.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That was one thing that I think a lot
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: of us, myself included, we kind of failed to acknowledge
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: over the course of that tank last year that like
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: there was just this almost a sum that it was
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: gonna work out the way that you wanted it to.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Even though the numbers are available to you. You can
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: look at it and you could say, uh yeah, yeah,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: fourteen percent, and it's because it's all relative, right, you
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: have a higher percentage than everyone else, But you don't
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: just because you have the highest percentage of winning, a
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: chance to win doesn't mean that you're actually gonna win, right.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Especially when we're talking about fourteen percent.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: If it were eighty percent chance you're gonna get the
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: number one pick, my outrage would probably be a lot
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: more justified in the fact that you didn't get it,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: but fourteen percent to the point that you just made
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: you don't gamble anything on a fourteen percent chance.
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: And showing a fourteen percent also isn't one team, it's
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: the bottom three teams. So the teams are the three
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: worst records as a fourteen percent chance of getting the
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: number one pick in the draft. So this year's drift,
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: we know about it because it's such an emotional thing
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: because of aj Aj Devancer of BYU's a tremendous talent.
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: He'd be picked. He's gonna be picked either showing one
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: or two. You can debate that. And and Cameron Boozer
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: former jazz U son of Carlos Boozer, who picked could
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: be probably picked number three. And also this draft is
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: also so interesting because of Darren Peterson's I don't want
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: to say controversy, but why isn't he playing?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: That's I'm out on that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: If I'm a franchise, why is he playing is he
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: is he is it his injured ankle? Does he have
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: the flu? Is there accomplish everything? Is his agent holding
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: him out? Is his family saying to Bill step the
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: great coach of Kansas. And by the way, Kansas right
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: now Jayhawks, in case you're wondering, have won eight straight.
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: So let's say that theer one team. Absolutely you're talking,
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: you're talking like big time competition and they won eight
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: in a row. So so Darren Peterson's teammates aren't saying it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: But whether you play or not, guess what, fella, we're
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: gonna win anyway. That's a this thing and that's and
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: that's what that's you should do if you're a player,
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: A think you should do.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a testament to what Kansas is doing.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: And look, he's a great player. He's an incredibly talented player.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I have been this way for the longest time because
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: it goes back to being a lowly walk on in
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: college where you see guys that are on scholarship that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: aren't earning their keep because they won't play hurt, they
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: won't practice hurt, they refuse to kind of push through
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: the problems. Right, And I'm looking at this when we're
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: talking about NBA basketball. We're talking about Kansas. I mean,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: if you if your starter at Kansas, that's millions of
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: dollars right, Oh, absolutely, And you're looking at it and
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: you're talking about a number one overall pick in the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: upcoming NBA draft potentially, and it's like, yeah, you might
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: be available. Fifty percent of the time we've watched that
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: how it works.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: In the NBA.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: That's Anthony Davis, right, even if it's one hundred percent legitimate,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: and it's not a toughness question, it's not a mental
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: toughness question. But you're just made a glass and you
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: get hurt all the time. I don't want that on
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: my team, regardless of how talented the guy is. Because
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: if your car, if you have a Lamborghini, Gordy like
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: you do.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: That's what Gordy drives. All of you people.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: If you got a Lamborghini and it's only working half
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: the time, you got half of a car.
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: No, thank you, And now show up right now showing
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: of course for the listeners matter, driving right out in
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: a traffic jym on a on a two fifteen. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: didn't have a Lamborghini. I have in a very happily
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: a Chrysler Jeep that I've had that I've had. I've
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: had a cheap showing Chrysler cheap for the last thirty years.
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: I like that, Yeah, thirty years. Different model, brand loyalty, Yeah,
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: brand loyalty. And now obviously my former employer in Utah Jazz,
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: Larry Miller. I go through Larry Miller cause you're winning.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: But I do like Lamborghini's, especially red ones that are
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: really hot.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: All right, let's take it break.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: We've got plenty of things to talk about with this
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz team and the NBA. Beyond other trades happened,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: other trades we're seeing the results of those trades are
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: the lack thereof because of things like this, like players
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: being shut down. We discussed this on the show yesterday.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Trey Young has played how many games for the Wizards?
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: None?
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Anyway, lots to get to with Gordy Chiers.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: It's the Sean O'Connell show, Hot Lunch coming on ESPN
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  Speaker 3: Gordy, we talked about the headline for the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 4: Do you guys still want to play in the All
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Star Game?
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: Gordy, Yes, Oh, absolutely, the answers, Yes, they do, especially
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: with the new format and the reason why it's showing
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: global branding. It's a big thing playing in the All
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: Star Game, and that now with the the NBA is
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: trying to figure out when we say game, it's more
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: of an exhibition, all right, So that's what it is,
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: So the NBA, I'll call the NBA. It's also a weekend,
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: but it's the NBA exhibition, and that this year, for
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: the first time, there's a team, there's a three teams,
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: and that it's almost like a round robin tournament where
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: there'll be four to twelve minute games with the top
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: two teams by record will advance to face each other
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: in the championship game. If all three teams have a
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: one to one record after game three, the tiebreaker would
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: be point differential in each team's two rounds. So that's
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: what's gonna be right now. So here is going to
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: be the world team, all right, and so now with
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: the sha Jos Alexander, he's the hurt they added to uh,
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: they edited Chagoon of the Houston Rockets, and so he's
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: playing right now as far as him being the guy
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: Alpha Chagoon. So here's the here's the world team. Jamal
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: Murray of Canada, Nikolai Jokic of Serbia, Luka Dancic, who's
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: hurt right now, these he's gonna play Slovenia, Victor went
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: Beyond of France, Pascal Siakam of Cameroon, Danny Adia of Israel,
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: who's playing tonight for the Portland Trailblazers, is tremendous player,
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: calls any towns of the American Republic. And now with
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: the addition right now of Alpha Ron Chagoon of Turkey,
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: So that's the World team. So that's gonna be so
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: interesting where the American players. Now, they're gonna have a
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: round with three teams of eight, so two teams are
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: American players and one World team will play each other,
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: and it should be exciting and it's gonna be different.
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: We'll see how it plays out. I'm sure that. I'm
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: sure the NBA he's looking at it as far as
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: a TV partnership how it's going to play out, and
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: I'm all for it though.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody cares about it anymore. It's not a thing that
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  Speaker 3: people want to participate in. And you know there's there's
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  Speaker 3: guys like Lebron has kind of said, yeah, well, I
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  Speaker 3: don't need to play in another All Star Game. Some
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  Speaker 3: of these veterans who it's nothing new for them might
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  Speaker 3: not be as enthusiastic about the game. But you see
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  Speaker 3: headlines outside of the trade, headlines that are happening right now,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, Luka Dancis is out for now, but
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: he wants to be in the All Star Game. Cooper
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Flag out against the Lakers, and now he's not going
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: to be part of the Rising Stars Challenge. So like
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: I just I wonder availability not being available, how guys
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: really feel about it when it comes All Star weekend.
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: No, they're all for it. And speaking of Cooper Flag,
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: he's out with actually actually spring Foot the last game.
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: So now it's good for the Jazz because Ace Bailey
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: now replaces him. So Ace Bailey will plays in a
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: Rising Star game, which is really the rookies and the sophomores.
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: As far as in the NBA. That's tomorrow night and
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: they'll be on Peacock And so Ace Belly, who you
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: can make a discussion, probably got snubbed, and that Ace
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: Belly is a tremendous talent. He's one of the foundational
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: pieces as the Jazz go forward, and everybody loves his
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: game because he's averaging over twelve points a game, but
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: he's getting out of team rhythm, and you have the
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: feeling that each passing year he'll be able to be
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: even more explosive and he's a shot maker, and that
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: he tries to execute the offense but still showcase these
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: individual skills, which is really high. And let's not forget
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: he's only he turns twenty in August, so he's such
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: a young guy. So visualize him hopefully in Jazz basketball
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: relatively soon in a playoff game, him being at age
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: twenty one to twenty two and him really trying to
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: take the ball to the basket and for pull up
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: jump shots or hitting rainbow threes. He's definitely part of
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: the Jazz future and he's gonna play Tomorrow night against
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: other the younger guys in the NBA. Quickly about this.
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: Often when you much players, quote on your favorite team.
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: So here right now, we live in Salt Lake City,
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: so it's Utah Jazz. But just say that you had
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: other teams, you're from a different area and you move
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: to Salt Lake City. Judge your your favorite teams players
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: against other teams players in the same age group. That's
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: how you judge it. So don't judge Ace Bailey type
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: players that he's not better than, will say Nikolai Jokic,
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: because it's it's not it's irrelevant, it's not even on
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: the same orbit judging against other guys within the one
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: year to three years as far as their age group.
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: And Ace Bailey's going to be highly competitive in that age,
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: in that, in that and that in the nineteen to
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: twenty three to zero reference point. He's right there too
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: as far as talent.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: All right, Gordia Chez is hanging out with us for
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: another half hour or so. He has some underrated trades
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: that took place before the trade deadline. We're going to
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: get to. We'll have Gordy's list of the day. There's
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: plenty left. I want to pick his brain a little
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: bit about college hoops right now. Now BYU snapped a
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: bit of a losing skid. The University of Utah men's
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: basketball team is really really struggling right now. If we
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: have time, we'll get to all of it with Gordy.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to now our two of the Shan O'Connell Show.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: We have Gordy Chase and now we have Eric Weddle
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: coming up in about twenty five minutes, a jam packed
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: show that will also include Bobby Marks at one o'clock
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: and Bill Riley at one point thirty.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: And speaking of Bobby Walks, we work together with the
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: Jersey Nets, so I remember young Bobby Walks back in
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: two thousand and five six we worked together and he
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: was we all knew in the office that he was
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: a rising star, and obviously he was. And Bobby Walks
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: has worked for the work for the Nets and other
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: different teams, and for the NBA and also for other
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: outlets where he's a sensational. Him and Wojo broke so
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: many stories over the years, so I'm looking forward to
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: hearing him and please please give him my best.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: All right, that's Gordy Chiers. He's hanging out with us
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: for the rest of this segment. To open Hour number two,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Gordy the the underrated trades that happened before the deadline. Obviously,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: we spent a lot of time talking about what the
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Jared Jackson junior acquisition would mean for the Utah Jazz
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: and now he's shut down for the rest of the
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: year for a knee surgery. But was not the only trade,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: not anything close to being the only trade that happened
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: before the deadline.
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was wanted a few guys just to think
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: about the Cleveland Cavaliers. They last year won sixty games
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: and had a flame out in the second round, and
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: as we speak right now, they won five games. And
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: so they added the week of the trading deadline, which
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: is last week. But it just magnifies right now because
• 55:12
  Speaker 8: now we can pause because of the All Star weekend.
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: They had a Dennis Shrewder and Kean Ellis who's a
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: tremendous defensive player and ball mover, and then they added
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: Lightning Rod Hall of Famer first ballot James Harden. So
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: now the question is showing philosophically, can James Harden and
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: Donvin Mitchell can they really exist on the floor because
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: both guys are ultra talented and they're both used to
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: being ball dominant. Now can it work? And so that's
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: so interesting because the Cabs they were struggling, some injuries,
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: but they were struggling. And then Darvis Garling, a two
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: time All Star, goes to the Clippers, who've also they
• 55:59
  Speaker 8: moved on to the Slippers get a guy that's an
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: All Star replacing James Harden. But they gained ten years
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: on the as far as playing, playing, as far as
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: age group, and then the crushing of the Cavaliers. James
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: Harden unfortunately his career arc has struggled in most playoff series.
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: Can he can he reinvent himself with the Cavaliers and
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: get a new bounce right now and he lead the
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: Cavaliers to go against the Detroit Pistons or the Celts
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: of the Knicks to get past the minimum into the
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: conference finals. That's the issue right now, and we're gonna
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: find out there's so much his chemistry from the Clippers
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: point of view, they edit, they hed a guy that's
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: an All star speaking ladd to that the Lakers, Lakers,
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: Luca Dantis. You remember, you realize that for the listeners
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: right now, and there's a lot of Laker fans from
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: So Cow living in Salt Lake City area, Luka Doncies,
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: Austin Reeves and Lebron James that they're big three in
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: this this year right now. They've only played ten games
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: together this season, just total of ten games. And the
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: Lakers right now with thirty two and twenty one, they're
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: the sixth seed. And if they if playoffs started right
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: now today, the Lakers would play the Nuggets of all
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: people in the first round. So showing which means that
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: all these once in a generational players, someone's gonna be
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: knocked out in the first round. That's the beauty of
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: the playoffs. Hey, we could be champions and you might
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: be Oh, by the way, you're knocked that in the
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: first round. Wow, it just shows you how it's so fractional.
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: So remember the other guys are good. So I said,
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of times John, I'm on the street,
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: I see fans. They said to me, Yo, what's up, Gordy,
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: what's up with the Jazz? And I always say to them,
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: very simply to my new born friend showing it at
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: you know, six thirty the morning at Starbucks, where I said, listen,
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: remember it's who you play against. So your favorite team,
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: the Jazz, they're getting better. Jaron Jackson, et cetera. All
• 57:54
  Speaker 8: these guys, Larry Markinen, these guys are good players, but
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: it's who you play against. Also, you have to put
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: the equation that the competition will't allow you to be good.
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: Sometimes they're gonna challenge you. And that's the beauty of sports.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: All Right, the uh, The Natesmith Basketball Hall of Fame
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: has announced the twenty twenty six finalists. I'm gonna read
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: you these names. You just give me a yes or
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: a no. Whether or not they get in this year,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: they get in whenever, all right. North American Committee finalists
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: in alphabetical order. Joey Crawford the referee, Yes, Mark fu coach,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Mark Fuugh, Yes.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Blake Griffin the player, No, Kevin Johnson.
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: No.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Gary McKnight the coach.
• 58:46
  Speaker 8: He's a high school coach for a long time.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay. Dick Matta.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: No.
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: Doc Rivers No.
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  Speaker 3: Kelvin Sampson, Yes, Amari Stodamyer No, Jerry Welsh.
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: He's a coach for Potsdam State for like he went
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: like a thousand games. It's crazy. And in case you're
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: running Potsham State's upstate New York where the average temperature
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: is about Ford, de Greece below zero. Case you're running Potsdam,
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: I one time showing that I do not drive in
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: New York State Thruway upstate New York in the middle
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: of January, February and March.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Do not.
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: I did it many time when I was a crazy
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: recruiter in my Big East days. And I can assure
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: you do not. So Jerry Welsh, coach of Patsdam State,
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: I would say, yes, okay, Buck Williams, No, but I
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: love him.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: No, all right.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: The Women's Committee, the nineteen ninety six United States National team,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: which is the women's dream team effectively, right, so they're
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: getting in.
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, absolutely rightfully?
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: So yes, uh, Jennifer Azzi, Yes, she got game.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Helena Della got game, Shamika Holds Claw got game.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: Cannas Parker, No, well she's got game. Her brother's the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: general manager of the Orlando Magic.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know. This person. I'm sure you do. Duvon Ivkovich.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, coach, Yeah, international coach, Yeah, absolutely, yes. Uh.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Tal Brody as a contributor.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Tal Brody was this a guy who was one
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: of the first grade ever player. He played in Illinois,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: he played in Israel. He's legendary. He was like an
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: Olympics score in Israel. He's an American though, and he's
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: a Jewish heritage, and he's the first like like great,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: great Israeli player.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: He should get in, Yes, Mike D'Antoni. No, the Veterans
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Committee finalist is Marcus Johnson. No, all right, Gordy's got
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: a high bar for the Nasmith Hall of Fame.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: No, I do again, Blake Griffin in other words, like
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: I'll hit some great eight number statistics, high flying. You know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: we all love those commercials that he jumped over the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 8: jump over the car. I get it, I understand it.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 8: It's wonderful. But again, the first ballot, we're talking again,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 8: the first ballot, I would say no, because maybe so
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: many other guys that are also you can make the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: same discussion, the same stats, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 8: You could remember now this is Hall of Fame. It's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: not American Hall of Fame. It's global. It's all it's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 8: you know, it's a lot of NBA players. There's also
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: involved college coaches and also European coaches and players, et cetera.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: It's all part of it. I think it's great.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: How many times have you visited Springfield, Massachusetts for the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Nat Smith Hall of Fame?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 8: Thirty? Wow, thirty time.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: I used to live back east. Yeah, And when I
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: coached at Providence and Dartmouth, we passed it all the time.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: So I'd stopped by and uh and see cee the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: statues and think about think about it years later. You know,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: I worked with two people in the Hall of Fame
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: besides coaching guys. Rick Wtino was that Providence and Jerry
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: Sloan at Utah Jazz and then we we we had to.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: I coached the Palcaso he's in the Hall of Fame
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: from the Grizzlies, obviously, John and Call to say the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: Least and Ray All and I coached Reality at Seattle.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: So I had a lot of people that I worked
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 8: with over the years as far as coaching and playing.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 8: The Hall of Fame. So I have an idea. But again, Sean,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: the question is the committee. Sometimes the committee is they're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 8: too young or too old about players. So I'm at
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: that age group where I remember all these guys when
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: he played both men and women. A coached. But you're
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 8: in a hall of fame. Forget about hall of fame.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 8: You're in a hall of fame. So is James Peterson.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: So the Radio Hall.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Of Fame, that's right, we're in the forget about that,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: the ESPN seven hundred Radio Hall of Fame between twenty
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: twenty four and twenty twenty six, first ballot in that
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: particular micro class.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Portland at Utah, Yes, Blazers a jazz. What do we
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: expect from that game? Given the roster change with an injury,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: a surgery, whatever? Tickets available for his low seven dollars.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: By the way, if you're looking for a little family night,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: what do you expect from the Trailblazers?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Eight and a half point favorites for Portland.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: Well of Portland right now. In their point of view,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: they want to win, so they haven't gone to the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: playoffs since twenty twenty one, so it's four seasons and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: could be five. So the bite fighting Clorin and right
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: now they are the tenth seed in the West. They're
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: trying to stay in the play in tournament, which right
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: now would be Suns, Warriors, Clippers and Trailblazers, all right,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: So they're led by mentioned before a second ago by
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: Denny Adiya. Is this Israeli guy that the Washington Wizards,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: for some bizarre reason traded the Wizards. They traded all
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: this guy All Star to go to the Portland Trailblazers,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: and it's paid off for the team up north with
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: Denny Adiya is a tremendous player. He's averaging twenty five
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 8: point two points game, six point six assists, seven point
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: two rebounds. So Sean and James, this guy's got an
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: all around game and he plays to win, and he's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: he's in his prime of his career. And the problem
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: with uh with the Blazers is that they lead the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: NBA in most turnovers yikes, at sixteen point five, but
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: the Jazz are second most turnovers at fifteen point three.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 8: So tonight's game of the Delta center the two teams
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: that don't value the ball or playing each other, and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: besides turnovers, a lot of times fans think it's only
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: about passing. A turnover could be also a moving screen,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: a walking violation, or an offensive foul meaning a charge
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: or a bot guy in the face when a guy's
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: guarding you and you have the ball's as a turnover.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: And in the add to this is that the Trail
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: Blazers are the worst three point shooting team in the NBA,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: shooting a very chili emphasized Chili thirty four point one percent,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: and that they're the twenty eighth worst shooting team overall
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: in the NBA, shooting only forty five percent, with only
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: the Pacers and the Nets worse. So someone's gotta win tonight.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: I know the Trailblazers are favorite, but I'm gonna lean
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: towards the Jazz. The Jazz have good players. This is
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: like a myth about people say about, you know, tanking,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: et cetera. Hey, if I'm Isaiah Kalia, forget about this
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: tanking stuff. I'm getting a chance to play. And Isaiah
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: Kalia has played absolutely well. So I'm gonna lean towards
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: the Jazz tonight. But let's mention about Klier. Let's give
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: me some some kudos in the shoutout. Since the month
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: of February, Sean is that he's averaging seventeen points seven
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: points per game and twelve point two assist. So this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: guy is averaging a double double in a month of February,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: and he's shooting fifty two points six from the field
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: and getting three point seven rebounds. So last night's game,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: when the Jazz demolished the segment of Kings, he gets
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: twelve points and fourteen assist in the game, and that's
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: absolutely impressive. So I'm looking for the Jazz tonight, whoever's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: on the court, that Jazz play to win and to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: enter the All Star Weekend with a winning three out
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 8: of four games, including winning winning the last three, and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: that'd be great for the Jazz for the players. I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: leaned towards the players and the coaches, Seow and I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: know I'm biased because I'm a former coach, is that
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: the coaches want to win, Sewan player. When you're on
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: the court and you ty your sneak yourself, you want
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: to win. You don't care about the twenty twenty sixth draft.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: It's irrelevant. The only draft you care you care about
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: is why the draft in your window right now? Why
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: it is so cold in my house? Right now. I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: have a draft right now, Sean, you're laughing. It's the truth.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 8: That's how players think. That's what I would think as
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: a coach. Oh, the draft, what it's chili here right now,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: it's drafting, right. Oh the Jazz, let's hope they come.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: They will come to play tonight. Should be a good game.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Before we get to your list, the you decided you're
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: going to be our ice dancing expert on the show
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: yes during this Olympics and what a day yesterday in
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: the Olympic ice dancing world controversy.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: Controversy very much. Yeah, it hits the backdrop. Also that
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: I watched it this morning. But the Olympics. Recently, my
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: wife and the five most dangerous friends Sean were watching
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: Olympics together, and so picture me with these five women
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: ages I will say sixty and above, okay, and they're
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: all commenting about these hot guys that Olympians. I'm so
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: tired of hearing about hot guys that Olympians. Hey, listen, whatever.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 8: I like the Olympics, but this is like, will you
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: stop talking about these hot guys, how buff they are
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: and how agile they are. That's the backdrop.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, all.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Right, all right, I would love to be invited to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: that viewing party. By the way, just yea six older women.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, older women, right, I know, age seventy five and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: I'm an ulster, but trust me, I was getting a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: headache listen to these women about these hot, hot Olympians.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: With that said, though, yeah, rhythm ice dancing. So the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 8: Americans lost to the French and a really unbelievable performance
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 8: by by both duets, where again I don't know all
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: the rules, but I just know there was the technical
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: things where the commentators kept on saying that they're coming
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: coming out of a spind that they lost a little
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 8: bit of a point edge and so it was spectacular.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: So the French won the goal, the civil the civil
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: medal was won by the Americans, and the Canadians won
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 8: won the bronze. Now the two Americans sewan and has
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: a has a sewan? You believe in Kevin Bacon six
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: degrees of separation to you?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: Yes you do? All right?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: So this so hit the question right now as I
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: say to this is that it involves the coach is
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: now going from the utes to Michigan. Oh, Kyle Winningham,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: all right, because you realize Sean and James that the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: silver medal winners, Massive Chock and Evan Bates, they're married.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: They live in ann Auburn, Michigan. So so there'll be
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 8: a game shown where those people will be trotted out
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: at halftime. That's exactly right, Sean. I know that you
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: love Kevin Bacon. Besides actually like baking as far as
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 8: eating it. Besides that is that sixth degreest separation. And
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: so when I was watching it is that it was
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: It was really a great competition. Again, I'm an amateur,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: I'm just a fan saying this, but it was really great.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: And that also it's even more amazing Sean that the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 8: gold medal winners there, the French, the French duet they
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: trained with the American who came in second place. They
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: have the exact same coach, and they traded in Montreal,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 8: Quebec during the off season together, and so they're actually friends.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: And talk about Sean picture of practice sessions with both
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: those those duets. And so the last point about it
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: is that I was a mis by the strength of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: all the athletes, by the agility, by their grace, by
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: their technique, and most of all, by their one this
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: and so in rhythm ice skating, it's two people, but
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: they're actually one the way they skate, Sean. So it's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: really spectacular. Kudos right now. I learned a lot about it,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: and it's I'm all for the Olympics, and I'm so
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: glad showing I'm with you instead of these crazy women.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: I thank you.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: All right, what's the list today?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: My list today, Sean. I'm gonna acquizz you guys also
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: later on, So get ready to put on your thinking hat.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: I know it's hard for you guys to think sometimes,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: but we'll try to do it. This is the New
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: Orleans Jazz Utah Jazz All Star Games Selections of all time.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 8: All right, it's only it's only sixteen players and I'll
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: go through it quickly. Number sixteen most recent Larry Marketing
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: one time twenty twenty three, Mike Conley twenty twenty one,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: one time Truck Robinson nineteen seventy eight, one time All
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: Star Selection, Ricky Green nineteen eighty four, one time, Mark
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: Eaton nineteen eighty nine, one time, Andre Carolinko two thousand
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: and four, one time Memono Corps one time two thousand
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: and seven. Gordon Hayward one time two thousand and seventeen,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: two times, Carlos Boozer two thousand and seven and two
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: thousand and eight, two times, Damn Williams his trusted sidekick
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: twenty ten, two thyd eleven, three times, Rudy Gobert twenty
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: and twenty twenty one and twenty two again his trusted
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: ally Donovan Mitchell same year as again twenty twenty during
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: the pandemic, twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two three times.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: Pistol Pete marriage three times, nineteen seventy seven, nineteen seventy eight,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: in nineteen seventy nine. Now we mentioned the years now
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: beca we take too long, But Agent Bentley did it
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: six times, the first time in nineteen eighty and the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: last time in nineteen eighty six. John Stockton All Star
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: Game participant ten times. The first time was the first
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: time was nineteen eighty nine and the last time was
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: two thousand and The number one player to play most
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 8: ever in jazz history and the All Star Game was
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: cal Malone. His first time was nineteen eighty eight and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: his last time was two thousand and two. He did
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: it fourteen times All Star Game, so the question right
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: now also is who's the next jazz All Star future out?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: I could see Keyante getting a nod. I could see
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Ace Bailey at some point being an All Star. And
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: obviously you know Jaron Jackson Junior has been an All
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Star before.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: I'd like to see him get back to that in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: a jazz uniform.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: Yes, I agree, all right, now, let's go music right now.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: I shwan in nineteen ninety three. I know you guys
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: are youngsters, all right. In nineteen ninety three, who sang
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: a national anthem at the Delta Center when John Stockton
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 8: and Colmolo was selected to be co MVPs nineteen ninety three?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: Who do you think, James? Who do you think? I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: know you're just one at that time, you were just
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: You're Bairey born.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. I was one. I was a year old.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: I know you heard about but you heard about it?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: No idea. Let's see Gordy Chiasa saying that.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: Oh I'd be dangerous me singing a Cappellois thorough Bailey
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: Thoroll Billy was playing though, But no, I love it.
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  Speaker 8: Good g guys, Donny Osmond, Donnie Osma, I love these things.
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  Speaker 8: Please text Sean O'Connor of the text line about what
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  Speaker 8: you think right now? Will anybody I'll give you a hint?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, it was a group.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: Love me some boys tonight, my boys.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 8: To men, there we go, all right. And in the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: most recent Jazz All Star Game, which is twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 8: who sang the national anthem? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Man, I should know that one? All right?
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  Speaker 8: She she she was born in Alaska.
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  Speaker 7: Jewel.
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  Speaker 8: That's exactly right, Jewel, that's I love these hints. I
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  Speaker 8: should be with you as far as in password ye
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  Speaker 8: show Jewel, that's exactly right, absolutely all right. And in
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  Speaker 8: nineteen eighty nine, when Carl Malone also became it was
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: MVP in the Astrodome shown which you know it's it's
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  Speaker 8: called it's considered the eighth Wonder of the world. Who
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  Speaker 8: sang the national anthem? In nineteen eighty nine when calls
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  Speaker 8: first ever MVP, she's famous.
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  Speaker 4: Do I get Do I get a hint on this one?
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  Speaker 8: It's a female female, all right? Eighteen eighty nine, eighty
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  Speaker 8: nine female?
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  Speaker 4: Uh Tina Turner.
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  Speaker 8: Ooh no again, I'm impressed. You're close, okay, close, you're close.
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  Speaker 8: You know you're close. You're right, you're close. You guys
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  Speaker 8: are close. One more guess I don't want to people
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  Speaker 8: right now hanging and driving in the car right now,
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  Speaker 8: the young name out, you're close again.
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  Speaker 4: I like you.
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  Speaker 8: You're you're close. I love you, guys have okay, so
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  Speaker 8: we know you're close.
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  Speaker 4: We know I love it.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of the great female black singers. Natalie co
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: Natalie Cole. Thus, that's my list today.
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  Speaker 8: I'm trying to I want to try to educate Sean
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: old Sean and also James are trying to educate these
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  Speaker 8: young fellas right now. And we all do love music.
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  Speaker 8: And I bet you right now, who's singing national anthem
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  Speaker 8: on Sunday?
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  Speaker 7: You know?
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  Speaker 8: No, Brandy, Charlie Pooh, Brandy, Brandy, Brandy absolutely and the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 8: Canadian national to be sung by Sarah McLaughlin Olympics. You
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  Speaker 8: mean no Sunday the Old Star Game. Who's singing this year?
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  Speaker 6: God?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this past Sunday.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, No, I met No, it's gonna I'm sorry
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  Speaker 8: this All Star Game.
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  Speaker 3: Brandy will perform the national anthem at the seventy fifth NBA.
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  Speaker 8: All Start seventy five years Wow. Absolutely us that's Melissa today,
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  Speaker 8: Sean is very I'm very impressed by your knowledge of music.
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  Speaker 8: James Peterson, I know you're young guy. You a little
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: bit shaky, but that's okay.
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  Speaker 5: James has never even listened to boys to men. I'm
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: not a big music guy, so it doesn't it's that's fair,
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  Speaker 5: that's fair, No, it's fair, all right, Gordya, you're the man.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate your time as always.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks. Guy's peace out.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: Gordia Jays, our resident NBA guru brought to you. Why
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: are good friends?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: Over at a Latin Industries and America first Credit Union
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: short track speed skating on the television right now, some
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: wild stuff. These are just the qualifying laps. But two
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: crashes and two restarts in this last race? What are
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: we doing?
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  Speaker 4: Eric Weddall is going to join us next.
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  Speaker 3: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred NINETYEFM.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Based by Sean O'Connell's show, You're home of the best
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connor Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in, Eric Weddle the Utah Football and NFL legend
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  Speaker 2: friend of the program, and of course he's the head
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: coach of the Rancho Bernardo Broncos.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what's up?
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  Speaker 9: What is up, my friend?
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're just watching some short track speed skating
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  Speaker 3: in these Winter Olympics.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, Okay, I get.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how you are when it comes to
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: the Olympics.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: I've become an expert on every sport that I only
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: watch once every four years. I really love the Olympics
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: summer more than winter, but even these winter ones. On
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: where do you stand on the Winter Olympics that are
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: going on right now in Milan?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 9: You know, I couldn't tell you what events are going on,
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  Speaker 9: what channel, what time? Been a little uh you know,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: at night very rarely do we are we sitting there
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 9: watching TV. So and then during the day I got
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 9: some of the things going on. So I'm I'm I'm
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 9: not really in tune with it, not saying I won't be,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: but as of right now, I couldn't tell you one
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 9: thing or another about it.
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  Speaker 10: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Very an American stance by Eric Weddle, who's usually super
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: super super American.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what, I can't have it all all right,
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  Speaker 4: that's fine.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I mean, just other things occupy my time
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: right now other than watching the Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine. We will we will pick up
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: the slack. We will give extra support to our countries athletes.
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  Speaker 4: There we go and thank you.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: How we do it? We work together?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: You refuse?
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about this Super Bowl. We're now
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: heading into this long dark period where we have no
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: actual elite level football for seven months. Although I guess
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: I should give the UFL or whatever it's called now
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: some credit. They're they're trying to give us spring football,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: and we'll have spring ball with Morgan Scalley soon enough.
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  Speaker 3: The Super Bowl, though, was I mean, look, it wasn't
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: the most viewership friendly one. It wasn't the most exciting
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: back and forth game. But if you're a defender, defensive mind,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: you might have loved that game.
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  Speaker 4: How did you feel about it?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 10: It was.
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  Speaker 9: You know, the ins and outs, how they handled certain things,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: how the inept you know, I was really I was
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: really shocked at our lack of an adjustments that the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: Patriots did offensively and defensively, that they didn't they didn't
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 9: adapt and didn't adjust to what Seattle was doing on
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 9: both sides of ball that I felt could have could
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: have had a real impact on the game because it
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 9: was close for the majority of the game, and so
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 9: I was I was taking back a little bit of
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: that and the best team won. Honestly, Like when you
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 9: look back at the Seattle Seahawks, the connection the team
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 9: and that overtime win against the Rams down sixteen to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: nine minutes ago, you just kind of felt that this
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: was their year, that was at this at the fining
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: moment of their season, and they took it and ran
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: with it and never looked back.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, for me, because we had talked about this
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: before the game was even played, that the NFC Championship
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: was kind of like the de facto super Bowl for
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of people, most that whoever won that was
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: going to end up winning the Super Bowl, and I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: think the way that the actual game played out reinforced
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: that for me.
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  Speaker 4: Did you feel the same.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure, Like those those two teams slugging it
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  Speaker 9: out and the winner obviously being Seattle, you kind of
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: just felt like that was a pre super Bowl and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 9: whoever won that game which ended up happening, And if
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: you're the Rams you just got to be sick. Back
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: to back years, you have those games in the in
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  Speaker 9: the in the Palmier hands for a win and potentially
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: two more Super Bowls that flip away all you got
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 9: to be sick for my rams and uh seeing how
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 9: those the back to back Super Bowls have come about.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 9: But Seattle was just loaded, man, they had just great
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: have said this, and we've talked about the US and
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: we talked about it about with BYU last year about
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: their team, watching them, how connected they were, Like connection matters.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 9: And I don't know if you've noticed the head coaching hires,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: and I really like enjoy listening to the press conferences
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: and seeing how like their first intro, what are you
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 9: all about? What are you going to emphasize this?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: That?
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  Speaker 9: And a lot of them, to a man have talked
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 9: about the why and the connection and the relationships. And
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: I really believe at the end of the day that
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 9: that separates the good and the great and championship caliber teams.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: So Sam Darnold completes his great career comeback story. He
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: gets a Super Bowl championship as the quarterback of the Seahawks,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: and you know, like I think he's approached the whole
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: thing the right way. He never talked about having a
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: chip on his shoulder about it. He didn't even after
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: the game. He wasn't like, yeah, I told you so.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: He's just been kind of like, I'm grateful that my
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: teammates believed in me, and that the Seattle Seahawks believed
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: in me. Did you play with anyone in your career
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: that had kind of been written off by the league,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: maybe had bounced around to a bunch of different teams,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: and I don't know, you watch him in practice or
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: you see what they can do in games, Like, what
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: the heck?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: Everybody got this guy wrong?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 9: Oh man, that's a good question. I wish you could
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 9: have prepped me on that so I can really.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: Let's keep Doug.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I know.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 9: When I got to Baltimore, there was a player his
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: name was Anthony Levine and he's now the special teams coordinator,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 9: just got hired on with Jesse Uh when he took
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 9: over this you know, this season, and I first got there,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 9: and he was just a special teams guy for probably
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: his first four years in the league. And I'm sitting there,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: we're we're in meetings and practice, and I see him,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 9: you know, in drills and moving around. I'm like, man,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 9: this guy, this guy has some unique ability, right, some traits.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 9: And I pull him aside and I'm like, it's the deal,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 9: Like why why haven't you played here? Because they just
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 9: signed me at safety and I'm looking at this dude.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 9: I'm like, man, this okay, this guy could play, So
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 9: why'd they sign me? And he goes, I'm just a
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 9: special teams player and I'm like, hold on a second,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 9: what do you mean.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: It's like that's what they've told me. And so.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 9: From that point on, I was like, well that's going
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 9: to change here, so you just you just follow me,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: and I'm going to help you out in any chance
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 9: I got. I found ways to get him on the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 9: field and being able to, you know, help him in
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 9: areas that he needed help, but just really instilling that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 9: confidence and he became a core like third down dying
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 9: linebacker for US safety and really prolonged his career and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 9: so like for that, it's just it just comes down
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 9: to like do you believe in somebody and are you
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 9: willing to give him a chance. And for Sam, it's
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 9: you know, so oftentimes he was in a tough situation
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 9: and it always comes back to the team, the team,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 9: the team, the team, and do you do you have
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 9: a good team around you. It's hard for an individual
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 9: to carry an entire teams and so to see him,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: see his success and his bounce back per se. You
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 9: know what's even crazier is Ryan Clark holy smoked. He
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 9: needs to get reprimanded for that comment saying he would
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 9: take nine other quarterbacks ahead of Sam. I mean, holy smokes, Ryan, Like,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 9: come on, now, he can't. We can't be saying that's
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 9: how a gibberish. So I've seen it happen, not to
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 9: the extent of Sam, especially in his case where he's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: a quarterback and very rarely do you even get a
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: second or third chance, and he has, and man, he
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 9: made the most of it.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: I want to go back to that story you just
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: told about taking a teammate, a new teammate kind of
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: under your wing and helping him improve his career. How
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: typical is that where a guy in your position, in
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: that case, the more veteran guy sees somebody who's talented
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: that is a threat to whatever longevity, playing time, whatever,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: and still for the sake of that individual, for the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: sake of the benefit of the team, is willing to
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: be like, all right, let me help you get better,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: because I mean, I know that that's very much part
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: of your personality. But how many guys in the NFL
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: do that with the guys in the locker room.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 9: Well, when I got to Baltimore, it was year ten,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 9: and you know, you grow, you learn, you become very
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 9: confident in yourself of what you are, what you can bring, leadership,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: talent as a teammate, how to bring others with you.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 9: So in my mind when I got to that, like
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: I'm I was very secure with myself even early on,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: like I knew who I was, I knew what I
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 9: could bring. It was just more like becoming that type
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 9: of player that you want to become. So when I
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 9: got to Baltimore, I'm like, hey, it's my time. I've
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 9: done the All Pros, I've done the Pro Bowls. It's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 9: now about getting more out of everyone else, right, getting
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 9: everyone to play at the level that maybe they didn't
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 9: know they could get to, and then how can we
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 9: build the best team possible to go win a Super Bowl.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 9: So that was always the focus and never was oh gosh,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 9: is this guy going to take my job? Is he?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 9: Is he going to be better. I mean, like, at
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 9: the end of the day football, you're either going to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 9: go earn it across the white lines or you're not.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 9: And people that are scared of competition there of adversity,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 9: don't want to put themselves in those positions. They never
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 9: make it. And so I try to welcome it any
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 9: chance I could get. I'm out there competing and pushing
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 9: my teammates, pushing myself because we all get better in
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 9: the long run, and if I get end up getting
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 9: beat out, then I get end up beating out.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: What do you make of the hyper focus on Will Campbell,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: the left tackle for New England. I thought he's handled
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: it after skipping postgame media. I think he's handled it,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: you know, pretty well since then. And he's a young
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: player that a really bad Super Bowl and got dragged
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: in the media for it. Uh, what do you think
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: of the focus on him? And I guess how that
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: story will develop moving forward?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, as a football player, you're gonna have
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 10: moments where you are told how bad you are. You're
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 10: not a good football player, You're not to the level
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 10: that is needed. And we've all we if you're if
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 10: you're a football player and you get to the tippy top,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 10: you're going to go through that. I went through it
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 10: at everyone my first couple of years in the league,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 10: saying why why we trade all these picks? This guy
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 10: can't play, He can't cover, he can't tackle. He has
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 10: one hundred and twenty five tackles. It means it means
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 10: he can't cover, and just like people on the outside, they.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: Really don't know.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 10: And then you'd love how coach Rabell handled it and
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 10: instilled confidence and belief and look.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 9: He's a rookie.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 10: He battled injuries and got thrust into a moment that
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 10: he's just at the moment he's not good enough, but
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 10: that doesn't mean he can't get there. And you just
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 10: hope that, uh, he'll take that approach, which he most
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 10: likely will. I mean his mindset and dedication to his craft.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 10: You go work, you work, you work, and then he'll
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 10: pay dividends over the long haul. So, uh, you know,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 10: I loved how Big Wit Wit and Fit's podcasts he
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 10: talked about this and he got into details about it,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 10: which you know, the easy the easy answer is, oh,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 10: just moving to guard and he'll be a great guard. Well,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 10: they didn't draft him play guard. And they're gonna keep
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 10: me tackle, So what are you gonna do about it?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 10: And Wit had a great observation about it, and he
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 10: put it like this, like Will Campbell is playing the
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 10: position as if he's Andrew Whitworth or if he's if
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 10: he is uh a six seven long art long limb
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 10: player athlete, where that's not him, that's not his body.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 9: And he said he needs to watch.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 10: I can't remember the guy the tackle, but basically, watch
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 10: this player because that's who you look like, that's your
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 10: body type, and go watch how he plays and how
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: he jumps sets, and how he's aggressive, and how he
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 10: mauls guys in the run game but also in the
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 10: past game, and how your offensive coordinator can help that
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: by chips but also setting it up so you're when
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 10: your number is called where you're one on one and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 10: you got to block this guy that you're confident with
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 10: it and not just drop back patching every other rep.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 10: So I thought it was really good intel and just
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 10: intuition of the position. And I expect him to be fine.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 10: He seems like a great kid, and it just so
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 10: happens that he struggled in the Super Bowl. But whether
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 10: he played good or not they weren't gonna win.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: If if Robert Kraft called you today and said, hey,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: you're my GM, what do we need to do to
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: make sure that this team stays at the top of
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: the AFC and we can try to build another little
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: Die ynasty. We've got the right guy at quarterback. What
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: are you What are you drafting around Drake may or
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: how are you using capital with trades or anything else?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: So what are you adding to that Patriots team? So
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: next time around they are good enough?
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I think where they're picking at the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 10: end of the round one, they would be tough to
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 10: maybe grab one of those top receivers. I think just
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 10: an explosive wide out like I think eight has some ability.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 10: I think Diggs is on the way out, not that
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 10: he can't play anymore, but he's an aging veteran. So
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 10: we need some explosive just like a go to guy
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 10: that can beat man to man coverage, that can win
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 10: over the top. So maybe identifying that person. I don't
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 10: know if that's there's someone like that in the draft.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 10: And then also like a tight end to a couple
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 10: like I know with McDaniels and the type that they
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 10: the type of offense, they want to run with the
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 10: play action and under center, and I think they got
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 10: away from that in the Super Bowl. They want to
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 10: run the football, play action and hit those shots in
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 10: a timely fashion. So his tight end out there, I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 10: know that guy from Morgan's was the top tight end
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 10: in the draft, so can Is there anyone in the
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 10: second third round? But I'm trying to load up offensively
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 10: with skill guys and then any type of pass rush
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 10: help to help their defense because the secondary is top notch.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 10: They have young studs. The safety is a young guy.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 10: I think he was a rookie. I think it was
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 10: his name was Williams or Watson or something, but he
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 10: was making plays all over the field, so I think
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 10: they can rebound. The schedule is going to be tougher, obviously,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 10: being first, they're going to play a bunch of tougher teams,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 10: but the standard is set. Rabel is one of the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 10: best coaches in the league, so I expect them to
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 10: have a good season.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: They shoot, you're way way too early prediction for the
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion. When the game is played in twenty
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: twenty seven, Who's going to win it?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Next year?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 10: The Rams, the Homer e dub is picking the Rams
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 10: in so far.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 10: And I'll even go to the extent that they'll have
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 10: I don't want to put this out there, but they'll
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 10: ask coach Weddle to come back as a player coach
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 10: to help in the playoff runs. And I'm gonna pleasantly
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 10: decline because they need it.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: You're gonna say yes, You're gonna accept that challenge.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: You're gonna hey, extra five years of health insurance. Dog,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: do what you I'm with you.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 10: I need to pull a little Philly Phil.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 9: My insurance is coming up this year.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 10: So a big dent in my in my monthly payments.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: The thing is, dude, you could just like you could
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: just be the holder or something. You know, you've done
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: it all on a football field. You could fill whatever
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: role there they need, just you know, be the be
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: the p A T holder.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 10: I definitely could. I mean, hey, if Sean calls, I'm
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 10: definitely gonna take call. And I doubt nothing anything will
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 10: come from it other than hey, how you doing wrong?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: If you get that call, you owe it to the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: rest of us old retired slubs.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta take it. You gotta you gotta
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: go take it.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 10: Okay, okay, I'll do it for everybody else.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: All Right, you're the man, dude, appreciate you have a
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: good one. That's Eric Weddle, the Utah football legend, I
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: hope and think, the future NFL Pro Football Hall of Famer.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: And the head coach of the Rancho Bernardo Broncos. Uh.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: Pretty soon he's going to be more famous for being
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: Gage Weddele's dad.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: So you might as well take those phone calls.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, again, it's a really unpleasant thing to talk about,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: but Parker Kingston, b yu's leading receiver from last year,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: has been arrested. He is in jail right now on
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: first degree felony charges.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: I I had some people text me when they heard
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: me talking about it in the first segment, including a
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: criminal trial lawyer, all right, and he gave me some
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: valuable insights that I want to make sure we update
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: people with if we're talking about something of this import
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: and seriousness, I want to do it the right way,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: and thankfully I have some information I think helps us
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: I'll share it with you next on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the Daily Dump is for some of the biggest
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  Speaker 3: headlines of the day, and on a day like today,
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  Speaker 3: I hate to have to do it, but one of
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: the biggest headlines is the arrest of byuide receiver Parker
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: Kingston on a felony rape charge. Stemming from an incident
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: that allegedly happened last February February twenty third of twenty
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: twenty five, and an attorney friend of mine heard us
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: talking about it in the first segment. He sent me
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: the probable cause statement, the arrest warrant, and what it's
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: based on, and he also sent me kind of his
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: assessment of it of what's going on here. So the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: detective for the Saint George Police Department who's been on
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: this case, issued this warrant on February tenth, so just
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: a couple of days ago. And obviously Kingston is currently
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: in custody held without bail, which I'm told is not
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: abnormal in the state of Utah. Any felony case that
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: involves sexual assault is typically it starts without bail. And
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: we'll get to that. That's more stuff from the attorney.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: But the detective made contact with the alleged victim on
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: the twenty seventh of February, so this would have been
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: three four days after the alleged contact she told him.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: She told the detective that she had established with Parker
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: Kingston after inviting him over or wild inviting him over,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: that she did not intend to have any sexual to
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: have intercourse with him, and that's established that this is
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: the digital evidence they're talking about in the case. That's
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: established in the text messages between the two, and the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: detective feels like, well, he's seen the evidence and that
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: was what was established. Now it's very similar to the
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: rets Laugh case and that there was some kind of affection,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: some kind of hooking up going on, and then the
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: player allegedly started to fall asleep. She started to go
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: get ready for bed, came back, according to the arrest warrant,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: about fifteen minutes later, and that's when he forced himself
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: upon her according to the.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: Complaint. Now this is where.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: Again, I just don't want any of this to be
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: the case. I don't want any of this to be true.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: I hope that Parker Kingston never did this and that
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: this never happened. But the detective did interview Parker Kingston
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: and he claimed that the sexual activity was consensual.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: She ended up going to the.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: Hospital to report a sexual assault, but he says it
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: was consensual, and that is where the case is now.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: But the detective and Washington County felt like that that's
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: enough to arrest Kingston and put him in jail. Now,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: this is more breakdown from my attorney friend. He could
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: stay in jail for up to two to three weeks
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: until his attorneys can schedule a detention hearing in which
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: he'll more than likely be granted bail.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: The case will probably last one to.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: Two years, and I will expect he will be out,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: meaning Kingston will be out while he fights the charges.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately for him, his defense is that it was consensual,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: as suggested in the probable cause statement. It won't be
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: like rets left because the criminal case will be pending,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: and BYU won't let him play with his criminal case pending.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: His BYU career is almost certainly over from a defense standpoint.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: If he has maintained his innocence, the case against him
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: will be tough to prove. She says that there was
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: activity and then he escalated it. He says it was
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: consensual unless there is forensic evidence i e. A medical
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: exam or corroborating evidence like texts or statements from him.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: It is pretty thin, he said, she said case but
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: this He then acknowledges this As an attorney. He says,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: but I haven't seen all of the evidence. If it
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: is a weak.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: Case, they will offer him a very good deal.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: I have a client charged with this, and they offered
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: him a misdemeanor with sixty days in jail.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: His client said no.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: By the way, if it's a strong case, he will
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: probably offer an attempted or forcible assault, and that's something
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: like nine to twenty four months in jail. That's in
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: the case of a plea bargain. So that's I just
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: want to make sure that I'm not approaching this only
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: from an emotional opinion standpoint. Those are the facts of
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: the case, public record, probable cause statement. And it boils
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: down to like so many of these cases do, and
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: where it gets difficult for me in this position because
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know any more than you know having read this,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know actually what happened. But like a lot
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: of these cases, what started off as an encounter between
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: this is a twenty year old woman, by the way,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: So an encounter between two adults ended up being something
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: where they either interpreted it very differently, or in the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: worst case scenario, there was no misinterpretation of the signals
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: and he just decided he was going to get what
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: he wanted. Now, the digital evidence is something we don't
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: talk about in these cases, ever, the idea that she
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: firmly established an expectation like hey, this is not going
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: to happen even if you come over, and said, if
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: that's why you want to come over, don't come over.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: And then he did come over, and then it ended
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: up happening. Again. You got to look at both sides
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: of it. Of course, people change their mind.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: Of course, in the heat of the moment, your conviction
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: to not do something sometimes ends up with you doing it.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: That can be complicated in cases like this one. But
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: I had someone texting me and saying, hey, no, this
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: is a money grab. The Jake Rhetzlaf case, a lot
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: of people, a lot of people interpreted the Rehetslaf case
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: that way because that was a civil case. There was
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: a civil liability case where the victim, the alleged victim
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: in that situation, wanted financial compensation for what she said
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: happened to her. This is not that, not yet, there
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: could be a civil case down the road if you
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: believe that this is just a girl trying to grab
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: money from Parker Kingston. First of all, I hope you
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: don't develop such a jaded view of the world that
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: that's how you viewed every accusation from every woman.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: I know it.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: We're not in a situation where you can just believe
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: everything at face value.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: But this is a criminal case.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: If you believe that this is a money grab and
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: that's the hill that you're gonna die on, then you
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: also believe that this detective, the hospital, the Police Department
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: of Saint George, and Washington County Prosecution is complicit in saying, well,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: this will, at some point down the road result in
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: a money grab for this young woman, and we think
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: that's enough reason to pursue this case. I'm the biggest
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist most of you know. I don't believe that
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: that many people are just like, yeah, let's get some
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: let's ruin Parker Kingston's life, let's screw this up for
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: BYU football. That's not what this is about. Don't pretend
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: that that's what this is about. Again, my sincere hope
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: is that this did not happen the way that the
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: probable cause statement says that it happened, and that there
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: was no forcible assault in this situation. That is a
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: horrific crime and anyone guilty of it should be punished
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: to the full extent of the law, which, by the way,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: in this case, first degree felony charges for this crime
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: in the state of Utah five years to life. That's
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: what we know. That's the information we have. Blah, We'll
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: get to Bobby Bark's next look. He thought that maybe
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz, with their resting of players in the
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: fourth quarter, was guilty of undermining the integrity of the NBA.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: I want to know if he still feels that way today.
• 1:44:55
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  Speaker 3: We're lucky enough to welcome in Bobby Marts, NBA insider,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: NBA Front office insider over at ESPN, noted advocate for
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: adoptable animals as well.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Bobby, Welcome to the show. How are you?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: I'm good?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: How are we doing doing all right?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 10: You?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: You stirred up a little hornets nest here in Salt
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: Lake City, which.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: It I don't think the Utah Marching band is gonna
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: be waiting for me when I land.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 6: At the airport there.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 7: Goodness, great that I touched the nerve. I see.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: Well, you probably know enough about us around here to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: know that we're very territorial about our sports and our
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: sports teams. You are so like the comment was the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz tank thinking, or you know, lack of a
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: better term, tanking is messing around with the integrity of
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: the NBA.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: I want to give you an opportunity to clarify on
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: the court.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, on the court, Okay, that's that's what I'm When
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 7: you manipulate the game that messes around with the integrity
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: of the game, that that's what That's what I was
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 7: referring to, certainly what happened in Orlando. When you're you know,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 7: you're winning, and you take your starters out and you
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: rest them in the fourth quarter, that's when you start
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 7: manipulating with, as you know, the integrity and the ability
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: to the rest players, the ability to have you know,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: injured players not play the rest of the season. We've
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 7: all done that, you know, we've we've all done that
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: as far as the ability to you know, focus on
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: player development the second half of the season and all
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: that and jockeying.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 9: For a lottery.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 7: But I I know where I know where Utah is
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 7: and the you know, the ability to retain their first
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: is is certainly a priority for them. And if it
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 7: falls outside the top eight, it goes to oak almost City.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 9: But no, my, my, uh.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: And I know it's been because I've I've seen it
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: and people said, well, san Antonio, did it look at
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 7: Sacramento last night. My comments were more batches on the court,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 7: not kind of everything else out there.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: Sure that that makes perfect sense? How how is it
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: different though tanking wire to wire from the opening tip
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: of a game all the way to the end with
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: the player being left on the bench because of a
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: phantom injury or shut down with the minor surgery or
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: something like that, versus just making the outcome is the same.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: You lose the game, but Lowry markinen and and Jared
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Jackson Junior get three quarters of basketball together. The goal
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: is oddly, strangely uncomfortably to lose. How How is how
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: does it matter? How is it different if you lose
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: one quarter versus four.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean you're you're up, you're up in the
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 7: fourth quarter, and then all of a sudden, your your
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: your venture for your starters. I mean we all know
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 7: what's why the reason is. I mean, that's I think
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 7: that matters that should matter. Compare with I would been
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 7: happier if those guys has never even stepped on the court.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: I'm asking you why, Why would you be happier with
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: that though?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: Because the game is going on, when when once you
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 7: step on the court, the goal is to put your
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 7: best players out there.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: That that's I mean, that's we know that's not true.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no that listen. I've never seen
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: what happen over the weekend before where you basically pull
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: your starters in the fourth quarter. I that this isn't
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: the preseason. And I understand the goal is to get
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: a high lottery pick and to retain your pick. And
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: understand there and and and they go through a game
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 7: and you're going on a you know, the other team's
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: going on a fifteen to oh run and we're not
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: calling time match and we're not doing anything like That's
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 7: that's what bothered. And it wasn't just me. Listen, you can,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 7: you can pull a third of the league and everything that.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 7: That's a pretty wide, wide, level ranging consensus there.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: I I understand. I'm not trying to attack you for
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: having the opinion.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why that is different than not having
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: the guys in the lineup in the first place when
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: they actually are available, when they are healthy enough to play,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: and you say they got backspasms. Because the goal is
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: the same for teams in these situations. We've seen many
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: examples of it where you just don't play them at all,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: playing them for three quarters or not playing them at
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: all if it results in a loss, or you don't
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: call timeouts that it results in a loss. When the
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: goal is, you know, without saying the quiet part out loud,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: your goal is to lose as many games as you
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: can so you can protect this pick or you can
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: maximize your draft lottery odds. We've seen We've seen the
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Jazz do it the other way where they just don't
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: play Lowry Marketing and they say, oh, yeah, he's he's hurt,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: and and.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: You didn't react that way.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: A third of the league didn't react that way when
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: you probably knew Lowry was healthy enough to play.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: But he just didn't.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: Oh sure, Yeah, no, I mean I think I think,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: as I said, listen, I think if we're if we're ranking,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: I guess the way to tank to the ability to
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 7: manipulate the game while it's going on. I would put
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 7: up as the number one reason why it irks. It
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 7: certainly irks me, and it probably irks a lot of
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 7: people out there.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: Does it matter to anyone besides betters? Is that?
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: Is that why there's like a lot of anger about this,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: because you know, it changes one of the major revenue
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: streams for people associated with the league, for the league itself,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: with all the betting stuff that goes on in pro sports,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: and you think, you know, these guys are playing, and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: they are playing, that that might change the way that
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: the betting outcomes happen if you inexplicably bench them in
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: a quarter or a half or whatever.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 7: That's probably a question for some I don't get involved
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 7: in the gambling aspect of this, aw like that. That's
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: somebody for uh, you know, DraftKings or fan Duel or
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 7: or one of those companies to answer that. I do
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: know that from you know, I guess what they've been told.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 7: You know, certainly some games or certain teams are going
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: to be pulled off the board because of you know,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: situations like that. But yeah, that's that's something for for
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: one of those companies to answer there.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: As far as the NBA rules are concerned. Where Look,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: the the NBA is concerned about tanking diminishing the product,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: and they will find teams and they will you know,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: give you the slap on the wrist or a serious
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: reprimand or you know, a financial penalty for for doing
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: the the other form of tanking, for not making a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: player available when the league decides he should be available
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: on the second half of a back to back or whatever.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: Is this something now the league is going to have
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: to address in this jazz method where like you can't
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: you can't bench someone for a fourth quarter randomly because
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you I.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 7: Don't know how you do it. I don't know how
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: you do it. I mean, and it's not Listen, this
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 7: is not just Utah like this is you know, certainly
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 7: a you know or or the team that's talked about
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: a lot here, but it's you know that the league
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 7: has an issue, and the league created the issue. I mean,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: we we we live in a world where we incentivize tanking.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: We incentivize teams to lose to build to get the
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: best draft pick possible. And that from a you know,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: there's a two ways to look at it. From from
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 7: being in a front office and having gone through it,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 7: I get it, you know, I would want to get
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: the highest pick possible out there. And then there's certainly
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 7: the you know, the media perspective and and from from
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: that angle there, and the league is the one that
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: is going to need to address it. And it's not
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: going to be you know, hey, we're going to remove
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 7: pick protection and we're going to do some of these
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: other things. They're the ones who are going to have
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 7: to figure out how do you not incentivize teams from
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: losing certainly the second, you know, the second half of
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 7: the year, because in reality, the product on the court
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: is not very good right now. Like that's that's the
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: big reality here. You know, we're watching some of these
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 7: games and teams are losing by forty to fifty points
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: and and some of it's because players are resting. Some
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: of it's because you know, certainly some players are being
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: held out. And I think, how do you get back
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: to where there's more of a better product on the court.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: If if Adam Silver calls you and says, Bobby, I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: want you to save us from our own problem with created,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: what would your suggestion.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: Do you have a good plan to address this for
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: the NBA?
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think listen, I you know, Mike's
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 7: Aaron who worked who is at the assistant jam with Celtics,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 7: proposed something a while back where it's a wheel where
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: it's basically like, you know, it's almost like you know,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 7: playing a carnival game here where you're basically kind of
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 7: spinning the wheel and and it rotates by year by year,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 7: and it's not based on it's not based on how
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: how you finish and you finish in the standings. I
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: think that's certainly one thing. And you know, of course
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: the league will probably look at you freeze you know,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: the records at their a certain point of the year.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: I think they've done a you know, the the goal
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: of you know, finished getting the best pick because you
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 7: have the worst record. I think that has certainly helped,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: because you're you're you have a better chance that if
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 7: you're at number one going into lottery have finishing at
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: four or five here. So they've certainly have flattened out.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: They've certainly flattened out the odds more here. But I
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: do think, how do we get in to a how
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 7: do we get to a position in the second half
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 7: where the games mean thing, mean something for teams outside
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: of teams, you know, competing for a playoff spot.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: We started the show today almost laughing about the timing
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: of an announcement that that Jaron Jackson Junior was going
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: to be shut down the rest of the way for
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: a knee surgery, because you know.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: The Jazz are never talked about.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: The Utah Jazz are never like, well, their names come
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: not coming out of your mouth all that often. And
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: the other big time NBA insiders were talking about the
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz for less than pleasant reasons. But then immediately
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: following this, the team makes an announcement like, oh, we
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: didn't realize this about his knee when we made the trade,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: and now we realize that about his knee, so we're
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: going to shut him down. I couldnot separate those two
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: things from a timing perspective. When you saw the announcement,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: what did you think.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I mean it was something I
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: never heard of.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought I was being ignorant by not knowing
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: what that was. I was just like, hold on a second.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: I've been covering sports, I've played sports. I've heard every
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: possible knee injury there is. I've never heard of PVSN.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I listened.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 7: I never want to go down, you know, I don't
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: want to go down the rabbit hole and stuff like that. Certainly,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: if if a player's hurt and he's you know, and
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: I don't think anybody really elects to have surgery, he
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: shouldn't least you know, will you know, Willingly and everything
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: like that. So but yeah, I listen, he's if he's
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 7: heard he's hurt and he's you know, and he's out
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: for the year. But listen, I would listen. I am
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: a huge fan the guys in that front office and
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: Will Wills a heck of a coach, And I like,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: it wasn't it really wasn't directed at Utah. It's really
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 7: directed at the whole league. But I think that one,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: as we talked about that one situation kind of irked
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: me a little bit more than probably some of the
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 7: other things that hadn't been going on.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: Bobby Marks, our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: talking all things hoop. If you extricate the tanking and
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: all that, and you just examined this Utah Jazz roster
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: post trade, and how Jaron Jackson Junior elevates this front
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: court especially and maybe accelerates a timeline where this team
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: can be competitive, like your front office hat, what does
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: it tell you about what this trade does for the
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 7: I think you have to like it. I mean, I
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 7: think you saw I think you've seen some glimpse of
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: it during during the last week here when they've gone
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: with a big lineup, whether it be with him or
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: Larry and and Nirk. And if you swap out Nirk
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: and you put Kessler in there next year, you've got
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: three big I think that, you know, if Keyante hadn't
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 7: taken such a big step like he's done this year,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you're if you're doing a deal
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 7: like that and you know you'll likely add a you know,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: a top eight you know you should add a top
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: eight pick here and it could be a really good
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 7: draft here. So I think you know, when we remove
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: everything else, I like. I like the direction of where
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: they are. I like the trade. I think you had
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 7: to be somewhat aggressive and and you know, accelerate the
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: the rebuild a little bit here, and you traded some
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: picks that, as you know, acquired in the past and
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: you were able to cash in on him.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: How should we feel about Keane George as you know,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: the the emerging player that he became really especially this year.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: A little ankle injury, you know, taken some time away
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: from him. But is he now has he played himself
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: into that I'm part of the core, meaningful part of
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: the Jazz core moving forward conversation he has?
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 7: I think that, you know, the the biggest question I
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 7: had with with Utah this was last offseason here is
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 7: kind of who is that blue chip prospect, right, who
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: is that if we're using like baseball and out, who's
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 7: that triple A player that you know is ready to
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 7: get called up and have an impact here. I think
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 7: it's one thing that the draft and have all these
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: players on you know, rookie contracts and everything, but eventually
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: you got to you got to hit on on some
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 7: of them, and I think that's probably a big reason
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 7: why you know, they selected Ace in the draft. But
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 7: I think the jump from where Kante is I think
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 7: you could probably put him in that blue chip the conversation, we're.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Hoping that this upcoming NBA draft they can acquire another
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: blue chip talent, And obviously that's a big part of
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: why the tank is happening. I called it a gentleman's
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: tank for a while because they're trying. They're trying, They're
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: trying to do it without being obvious. Now post trade,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: I think they're like, look, guys, we're we're doing it.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: We're hustling towards the spot where we're competitive again. And
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: the fan base seems to have kind of accepted that reality.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: And I probably count myself among those here in Salt
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: Lake that are like, fine, if this is what you
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: got to do to get there, go ahead.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: But it still means you're hoping for a great pick
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: And obviously, you know people have googly eyes for AJ
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: Debansa and his association here at b YU. When you
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: look at the players in this draft, how do you
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: handicap them? And who do you think is most likely
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: to end up in Utah?
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think I think you know, certainly
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 7: with what the AJ has been able to do at
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: b YU, and you guys have seen him an up
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 7: close of him his body of work. So only a
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 7: big wing. Uh. You know, Darren Peterson's gonna be an
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 7: interesting conversation at Kansas just because he's probably the most
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 7: talented player, but the inability, the availability hasn't been there,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 7: you know, as much as people would hope. You know,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: Cam Booser at Duke is more of a big I
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 7: don't know if that fits where where you are with
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: you know, with your with your bigs and everything like that.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: Kingston Plumbings, who is at who's just there for a
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 7: couple of games from from from Houston. Uh, is a
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 7: you know, a heck of a player here. So I think, listen,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 7: I think the top of it is really good. I
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: think if you're in the if you're at the end
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 7: of you know, in the seven that you know, seven
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 7: to eight range, I think it's really strong. You know,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 7: some people are equating it to the ninety sixth draft
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 7: and the O three draft, which we're somewhat generational here,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 7: but you know it's it's it's American dominated. I think
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 7: there's the majority of the top thirteen, top fourteen or
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 7: are based on you know, college kids who are fresh
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: right now. So I do think there's a there's an
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 7: opportunity to go out and get an impact player.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: What are we going to say when we look back
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: at this All Star break coming up, about the format
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: changes and about the players who get to participate versus
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: who don't.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: Is this going to be the fix that the NBA
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: hopes it will be?
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 7: Well, you know what, if you listen to Kevin Duranty
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 7: kind of a little little bit of a fire under
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: the international group, I would say, right as far as him,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 7: you know, basically calling out Luca and probably Luca's not playing,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 7: but Luca and Jokic and that group basically saying, hey,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: why is this the Americans that are always called out?
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: I'm watching them, you know, flop and not take this
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 7: game series here. So maybe that kind of sets a
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 7: little bit of a tone there.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: Cooper Flag, we all fell in love with the idea
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: of him potentially ending up in Salt Lake City. Obviously
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: it didn't happen that way, but we've got a nice
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: sample size. He's going to miss the All Star Game
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: a weekend, and he's going to miss this game against
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: the Lakers, I guess. But where is he at in
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: terms of what you expected from him as a role man.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's I think he's every bit of advertised as
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 7: he was coming out of Duke, and I know it
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: kind of got off a little bit of a slower start,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: but I think that's part of him, you know, just
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: kind of figuring out his way with Dallas and I
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: love his balance, I love his ability to get downhill.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 7: I think he's tough as nails here. As you said,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 7: he's got a little bit of an injury right now,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 7: so you won't see him in the Rising Stars game
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 7: and everything like that, but yeah, I mean him. You know,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: con Canipple has been really good, you know in Charlotte Dare.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 7: I always go back to seeing him like, how did
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 7: this team not win the National Championship when you had that,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 7: you know, that Duke team which was pretty loaded there.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 7: But no, he's been Cooper's been really good.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: How much of aj Debonsa have you been watching? Is
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: he as advertised? Is he like this year's Cooper Flag.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's the most consistent player out of the group.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 7: I think there's some consistency. I you know, I don't
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 7: remember a time. I think this was a game in
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 7: late December where teams are already game planning for a
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 7: player by whether it be sending doubles at him in
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 7: a you know, in a late December early January game
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 7: where it's the primary focus to take that player out
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 7: of the game. So yeah, I've you know, I've seen
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 7: him play a bunch here. I do think. Listen, it's
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 7: a it's a position of need. We always sat around
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 7: the front office and how do we get a big wing?
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 7: How do we get a six seven six eighth wing
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 7: that can score. I think there's still a lot more
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: for him to develop with, but I think he could
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 7: be He could be really good.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: Bobby.
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  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much I appreciate you jumping
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: on with me, especially after you know, probably your Twitter
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: was blown up by you.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 7: I'm in a good sport about it, and I said,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 7: I knew as soon as you know. I had a
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 7: friend who said to me, I don't know if you're
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 7: pretty popular in Salt Lake City right now, and I listen,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 7: if they call, I'll definitely come on on the radio
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 7: and and talk about it. Well.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that because not everyone would, and we had
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: we had Gordy Chias in studio earlier. Today, he joins
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: us every week to talk NBA basketball, and he had
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: nice things to say. So even if a lot of
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: Jazz fans don't have nice things to say, Gordy Chiays.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 7: Was spoket'll forget when listen, when you get that picking it. Look,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 7: we get to mid Bay and you're picking in the
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 7: top eight or maybe one or two, they're gonna they're
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 7: all gonna forget about me.
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  Speaker 4: As long as you say nice things. We people here
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 4: are elephants. Man. I will Bobby, thanks for your time.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you, sir, Bobby Marks espn NBA Insider. Spent a
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: lot of time working, you know, a couple of decades
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: working in the NBA in front offices.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: And you heard Gordy Chays earlier say he was identified
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: very young in his career as a rising star in
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: the business. Uh, he decided to get into the media side.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: He's done a really great job there, even if he
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: doesn't always say what you want to hear as a
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz fan.
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  Speaker 5: Well, honestly, hearing him bound a little bit more on
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: why he said what he said on NBA today, Jazz
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 5: are messing with the integrity of the of the NBA.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 5: Hearing him say seeing them play guys and then pull
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: them in an attempt to throw the game, hitting a nerve.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like I can understand that a
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 5: little bit, but also, yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why this wasn't the reaction to the
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: Toronto Raptors last year, for example. I'm totally fine with
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: him like trying to articulate the reasoning, and I genuinely
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: do appreciate him coming on and being willing to and
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: he was a great sport about it. Like when you
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: decide you're going to lose the game, whether it's before
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: the tip off or in the fourth quarter, I don't
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: understand the difference between those two things. If you're trying
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: to win, which is what every team should be trying
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: to do, then do that right. If you have either
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: implicitly or explicitly stated that, hey, we're gonna we're gonna
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: maximize losses here so we can benefit in the draft
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: lottery situation from it, then you just have to accept
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: that there's a lot of different ways to skin that cat,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: and this one seems to be have struck a nerve
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: with Bobby's right, it wasn't only him, it was a
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: bunch of people around the NBA.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 4: I think a big.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: Reason for that is because it's easy to punch down
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: on the Utah Jazz and there's a lot of people
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: who don't like tanking in general, and they want to
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: put a face to it.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 4: And it's easier to put a face to.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: The Utah Jazz and not have people push back than
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: to say, well, look, san Antonio Spurs a couple of
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: years ago, and.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 4: It's like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't say.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: Anything about the san Antonio Spurs talking about You can't
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: say bad things about Pop's decision making, and obviously it
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: worked out nicely for him, Like you Pop.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: The funny thing about that is we don't have one
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 5: Greg Popovich became over the years, certainly and is he
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 5: probably would say to them, what are you talking about?
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: I did that? Yes, I would have done the same thing.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: I did do the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: I honestly think it's it is a It is a
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: better way to tank, to let the guys play together
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: a little bit, to give the fans something to watch.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: If you buy jazz tickets tonight, they're seven dollars. Okay,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: when you buy a jazz ticket, for seven dollars.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 4: You know that you're getting a.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: Lot of Bryce sensible, right, But wouldn't it be better
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: if you were getting three quarters of like a reasonable
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: starting lineup and then you were getting a lot of
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: Bryce Sensiba. Sorry, Bryce, I don't mean to throw you
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: under the bus here, but the point you.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 5: Were getting the young guys that you didn't know you
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: don't know near as much about.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, if what
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: you're doing is losing, I could be bad about you losing,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: or I can be not mad about how you lose.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: It's binary to me. You're either okay with them losing
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: on purpose or you're not. And if you're not sure,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: but if you are okay with them losing, which everyone
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: in the NBA has to be because of the system
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: that the NBA set up, everyone's like, yeah, everyone kind
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: of does it.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, we'll deal with it. It doesn't matter how you
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: Then yeah, and you and yeah, it's uh, it's pretty
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: bush league to just be like, well, the Jazz relative
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: popularity around the around the sport is not near is
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: not near as high as the Lakers or the Warriors,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: or the Celtics or whoever, So you know what, we
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: can get mad about this, so let's make an example
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: out of them. Like, it's probably a list, crazy, there's
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: probably a list at the ESPN offices. Like if you
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: want to take shots at a team against the Lakers,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: it has to be the Memphis Grizzlies, the Utah Jazz,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: the Orlando Magic, the New Orleans Pelicans. Like it's probably
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: like a five team list. You can you can say
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: something bad about the soon to be Seattle SuperSonics, but
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: don't say anything bad about the Lakers, the Nicks, maybe.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: The seventy six ers. I don't know.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: We got to take a break. Bill Riley's gonna join
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: us next. I told you it was a jam packed show.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: Bill's going to be our last guest. And then we'll
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: give away some tickets and we've got topical trivia and
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: we've got cross talk. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on
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  Speaker 3: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two FM.
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  Speaker 3: The voice of the Utes, Bill Riley, a conversation brought
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  Speaker 4: Bill Riley, how are you, sir.
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  Speaker 11: Sean O'Connell. I'm great, sir. How are you? What's going on?
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: You know, just hanging out talking all things.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: Really NBA heavy today with some jazz news about surgery
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: happening and whatnot. But let's get into some other hoops,
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: some running uts hoops. It's been a dark stretch. Six
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: Big Twelve Conference games in a row, now dropped by
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: the Running Utes. Up next will be a Cincinnati road trip.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: And look the competition in the Big Twelve. We knew
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: this was gonna be tough. Kansas and Houston and back
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: to back weeks. That's a nasty thing. But give me
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: a sense, put your finger on the pulse of this
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: team and where things are at right now.
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  Speaker 6: Well, like you said, it's losing six in a row
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  Speaker 6: is not good.
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  Speaker 11: And what's been interesting in the sixth game losing streak, Sean,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 11: is they've played well at times. I mean there were
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 11: stretches in that game Saturday at Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 11: where their neck and neck with the Jayhawks. There were
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 11: stretches in that BYU game in Provo where they're neck
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 11: and neck with the BYU Cougars. They held Houston twelve
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 11: points under their season average and gave it the number
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 11: three team in the country. You know, some fits at times,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 11: but that's it. It's been at times. But then you've
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 11: got a loss to Arizona State at home. I lost
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 11: to Oklahoma State at home, where you kind of feel
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 11: like if they had brought the same effort they played with,
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 11: say against Kansas or against BYU, they might have won
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 11: those games.
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  Speaker 6: So I know there's some frustration.
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  Speaker 11: I know Alex, you know, he's a coach and he's
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 11: a winner. He never lost a game at home as
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 11: a ute, So there's some frustration there. I mean, they
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 11: knew that this was not going to be their best year.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 11: It's the first year, but I you know, to your point,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 11: when you're one in ten in conference play and you've
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 11: lost six in a row, there's some frustration there. And
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 11: this is not that's not going to be an easy
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 11: road swing Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 6: Are they great?
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 11: No, But they just went on the road last night
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 11: and beat Kansas State on the road by almost thirty,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 11: so they're gonna be at home. They've won five games
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 11: in conference play. Then you've got to go play at
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 11: West Virginia, and West Virginia is a good team. It's
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 11: not an easy road swing coming up here for Utah,
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 11: and you hope maybe you're on the road together, you're
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 11: way from campus, away from distractions, maybe you kind of
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 11: circle the wagons up just a little bit. But they
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 11: need to find some positivity and be able to channel
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 11: that here on the road.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: You need positivity, you need progress. Nobody is expecting them
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: to be world beaters in Alex Jensen's first year, especially
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: given the state of the roster and things like that.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: But you want to see progress. Where is the most
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: likely spot in your mind for that progress to show,
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: maybe even as early as this road trip.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, don't turn the basketball over. You can
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 6: do that.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 11: They've rebounded the basketball better than they did early in
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 11: the season. But the other thing you've got to do,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 11: and they did this in stretches against both Kansas and Houston.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 6: They've guarded better.
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  Speaker 11: And if you can play with that same intensity, you know,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 11: this sham defense, it's a want to, it's an effort thing.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 11: It's mostly that in most sports, football is the same thing.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 11: It's a want to, it's an effort thing. Offense is different.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 11: But if they bring that same type of effort they
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 11: played with for say, ten or twelve minutes at Kansas
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 11: or ten or twelve minutes the other night against Houston
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 11: on the defensive in the Big Twelve Conference, it doesn't
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 11: matter if you're playing Kansas or Houston or BYU, or
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 11: if you're playing Baylor or Colorado or ASU. You've got
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 11: to bring the intensity and energy because even the teams
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 11: toward the bottom of the standings are good teams. There
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 11: aren't many, if any nights off in the Big twelve Conference,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 11: so you've got to make it a thirty five to
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 11: forty minute effort every single night, not just picking your
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 11: spots here and there.
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  Speaker 3: Well to that point, I mean, you've seen a lot
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: of these teams home all away. Now you've seen the
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: number one team in the nation a couple of times BYU,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: you're in state rival that put a lot behind this
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: basketball team and just had to snap their own losing streak.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: How do you handicap the Big twelve Conference in maybe
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: those top four top five teams right now because it
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: is a good league.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 11: I think it's a definitive top five team Sean, and
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 11: then there's a middle section. BYU was in that group,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 11: but they've they've fallen on some harder times. I think
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 11: that they've been exposed a little bit in league play.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 11: They've got an outstanding top three, but after that they're
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 11: a bit deficient. I think they missed Austin Baker coming
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 11: off the bench. I still think the best team in
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 11: the league is Arizona. Even though they lost the other
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 11: night on Big Month, as they lost at Kansas in
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 11: a one possession game late, I still think they're really good.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 11: I think Houston didn't play their a game in Salt
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 11: Lake the other night, but I think they're the second
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 11: best team. The hottest team in the league right now
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 11: is Kansas. They've beaten Arizona, they've beaten Texas Tech, They've
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 11: beaten BYU in this stretch, and then I think Iowa
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 11: State and Texas Tech are right there too, So that's
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 11: kind of a top five. Then that middle tier has
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 11: BYU in it. I think they're the best team in
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 11: the middle tier. UCF's having a surprisingly good year with
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 11: Johnny Dawkins this year, and then West Virginia, and then
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 11: I think there's there's a tier of another four or
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 11: five teams, and then you right now, Utah and K
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 11: State are kind of toward the bottom because they've.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 6: Had their struggles.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 11: But I think there's five teams that I think could
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 11: be Final four teams. And I think there's two teams
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 11: that I think could win the national championship in the
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 11: Big twelve. That's Arizona and Houston.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: You've been the voice of the youths for a really
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: long time now, and you've gotten the call games football, basketball,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: baseball are in some pretty iconic arenas, venues, stadiums. Is
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: it surreal when you're at you know, Allen Field's house
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: where it all began for you?
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 11: It was kind of weird, not weird, but like maybe
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 11: surreals the better word. Like you said, I hadn't called
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 11: a game there since I was a student. When I
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 11: was a senior, we called five or six basketball games
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 11: for the student radio station in that building. I've been
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 11: back for a few games over the years, but not
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 11: very many. But it was it was weird coming back
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 11: and seeing everything. I saw a lot of people that
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 11: I knew, Sean that I either went to school with
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 11: or were professors of mine. I saw my broadcast mentor
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 11: a guy by the name of Tom Hedrick after the game.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 11: He is ninety one years old and still sharp as attack.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 11: But it was it was a unique experience going back.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 11: I wish, you know, Utah could have given a little
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 11: bit better closer game, but they hung in there. They
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 11: didn't get blown out or anything like that, but it
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 11: was it was fun to be back and see a
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 11: lot of folks that I had known from years gone
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 11: by and make some you know, kind of reconnect just
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 11: a little bit too.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: How do you assess what's going on with Darren Peterson
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: of Kansas. I mean, they talk about him as maybe
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: the number one overall pick. He might be the most
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: talented guy in college hoop right now, but there's an
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: availability issue, and uh, you know, it's I always question
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: when we're talking about guys in that situation, if the
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: injuries start to pile up, or the illnesses start to
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: pile up, I don't know that I want to invest
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of trust in him if I'm drafting near
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: the top.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 4: How do you how do you handle that?
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 11: I don't I talk to people when I was at Kansas,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 11: and everybody's you know, kind of like it's a mystery
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 11: because the things that bother him are not things that
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 11: you show up on an X ray or an MRI.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 6: It's cramping.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 11: Well, you you'd figure after ten or twelve games you'd
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 11: be able to figure out what's going on with that.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 11: And then the other night against Arizona, didn't play in
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 11: that game. They beat the number one team, but he
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 11: had flew like symptoms. It's it's it's a really strange situation.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 11: But the weird thing is they played great the other
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 11: night without him. I mean, let's not cry for Kansas.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 11: They've got four or five star talent all over the place.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 11: They're a really good team. They could make a run
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 11: deep in the tournament. But I'm not sure that they're
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 11: good enough to win an national championship without Darren Peterson.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 11: So it's one of those conundrums. Hey, yeah, we played hard,
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 11: we reward. The guys that are behind it are really
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 11: good too. But if you want to reach that ultimate destiny,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 11: I think if you're Kansas, you probably have to have
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 11: the guy that's going to be number one or number
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 11: two in the NBA. Now, if I'm an NBA team,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 11: I would be I would want I would want extensive medicals.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 11: I would want my doctors to examine him up and
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 11: down to figure out what's going on with him and
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 11: if there are d things that could linger into the NBA.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 6: The other thing that is a little bothersome.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 11: If your Kansas and Bill self is Peterson's really good
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 11: and he's smooth, and he makes it look so easy,
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 11: but sometimes he kind of fades away and you don't
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 11: see him, but then he steps up in big moments
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 11: where a guy like to bonsa down a BYU seems
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 11: to be there for thirty five forty minutes every night.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Riley, my guests here for a couple more minutes
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  Speaker 3: on the Sean O'Connell show. How cool was it to
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: see Conorrotol of all former youth get himself a ring.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 11: Speaking of guys that were injured all the time, are
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 11: not always available Connor road to You know, we always
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 11: talk about Sean, those guys, those what could have been guys,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 11: and Connor had a solid you know, it wasn't like
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 11: his career ended or anything like that, but he was
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 11: always there was always a nagging injury with him, and
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 11: he missed a lot of time, but when he played,
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 11: he would always flash and show you you know, and
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 11: then he'd be missed a couple of more games. I'm
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 11: so happy for him because he was a stress. I
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 11: think he was a street free agent or maybe he
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 11: was drafted really late by Seattle.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 6: But there he.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 11: Is, playing special teams and contributing into Super Bowl.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 6: I thought it was really cool.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I echo what you said.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: You know, there's all the there's plenty of guys any
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: year you can look at a guy like, oh, he
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: should have done more, He could have done more, And
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: for him it was always stuff kind of outside of
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: his control keeping him off the field at the University
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: of Utah. And that much more impressive to make an
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: NFL roster when you don't have the body of game tape,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: all that work and stuff, and so yeah, pretty cool
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: to see him. Look, I don't want to ever see
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks win a Super Bowl, especially at my Niners
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: home field. But to see someone like Connor O'Toole, who
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: didn't get the gratifying college experience that he probably expected,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: now have a ring, it's pretty neat.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah, And if you wonder if a guy like that
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 11: makes his way onto the team via special teams, and
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 11: you know, as deep as the Seahawks are, maybe they're
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 11: not able to keep everybody. Maybe he could kind of
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 11: crack the too deep and be a rotational guy on
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 11: the defensive side of the football two for them.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see how it plays out the rest of
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: his career. But he's got a ring now, so he
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to worry about that. The list of utes
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 3: invited to the NFL Scouting Combine came out and it's
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: no big surprises. I mean, I didn't know that Logan
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: Fano was going to get that invite, but obviously there's
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: at least one team that wants to see what he's
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 3: capable of.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: So you've got your two tackles.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: You've got Dallan bent Landerbarton, Logan finnel All heading to
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: Indianapolis for the scouting combine. Who do you think flashes
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: the most in the Underwear Olympics.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 6: That's a good quest.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 11: I mean, the tackles are going to be great. I
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 11: mean I think both I think both Spencer and Caleb
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 11: are going to be really really good. I really think
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 11: Dallan Bentley could be a guy that really really flashes
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 11: and kind of catches some people's eyes. He had a
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 11: great year this year, and he showed some athleticism after
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 11: he caught the football. I think Bentley could be a
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 11: guy that might might really catch some eyes and move
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 11: up the draft boards. I think they'll all do well
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 11: in the interview portions, but in the underwear Olympics, as
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 11: you like to call it, I think the guy like
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 11: Dallan Bentley might do really well.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: What about you, Yeah, I think he's going to have
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 3: actually an awesome NFL career for the same reasons that
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: you just stated. You know, I think that the NFL
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: is going to look kindly on the fact that he
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: he came to the universe of Utah. He was not
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: the feature tight end in the offense, but he still
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: decided to stay to develop, to build his body.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 4: Et cetera.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, that's gonna bode well for
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: him because he put in the work at Utah. He
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: ended up finishing out with a really great year, and
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: he's got the trades. He's a good blocker, he's a
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: big physical body, and yeah, like you said, some athleticism
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: after the catch. So I think Dallan Bentley could be
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 3: really interesting I also mentioned yesterday, if you're Lander Barton
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: and you're going out there to this thing, are you
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 3: are you bothering to run maybe a couple tight end
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: drills because because he didn't, he just doesn't have the
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: lateral quickness that NFL teams might be demanding to play
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: an every down linebacker, but we only saw very brief
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: flashes of it. He's a prototypical tight end body.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 11: I think that you know, teams because he's got a
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 11: little bit of tape, not a ton, but he's got
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 11: a little bit of tape as tight end. I think
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 11: teams might look at him that way. What he does have, though, Sean,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 11: is that super high football IQ at linebacker, and he's
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 11: a very physical player too, So I think, you know,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 11: it's gonna be interesting to see. Maybe somebody looks at him,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 11: brings him to camp, drafts him, and looks at him
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 11: both places. But I still think he's got enough on
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 11: the linebacker side of things, with the high football like
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 11: you and with the guy you know, with that physicality
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 11: and that toughness to where he gets a look at
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 11: linebacker as well.
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  Speaker 4: Sean i'm doing. Okay we had we Had bobby marks.
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  Speaker 8: On, YEAH i heard it and it was.
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  Speaker 3: FUN i STILL i appreciate him trying to explain his.
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  Speaker 3: POSITION i don't think that he convinced me that it's
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  Speaker 3: tanking and, now of course they'll do it the good
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  Speaker 3: old fashioned. Way With Jaron Jackson junior, sidelined was the
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  Speaker 3: YEAH i Actually i'm a little bit bothered that you
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  Speaker 12: There but the panic that set in for a lot
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  Speaker 12: of people after The jazz made this, trade where it's, like,
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 12: no they're too good now to keep this draft. Asset
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  Speaker 12: it was pretty easy to kind of see the riding
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  Speaker 12: to do back, knee what have.
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  Speaker 8: You you, Know i'm not a.
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  Speaker 12: DOCTOR i don't know what this knee situation, is SO
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  Speaker 12: i don't really want to make light of a growth
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  Speaker 8: INTEGRITY i was just surprised to hear that from.
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  Speaker 12: HIM i, mean that's something you hear from like McAfee
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  Speaker 12: term more in the, LOOP i guess is How i'll put,
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• 2:28:53
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  Speaker 12: like one of two teams in the league that's not
• 2:29:09
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  Speaker 12: pretty fascinating to kind of maybe surmise that there's something
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  Speaker 3: Now, WELL i could understand if there's a little bit
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  Speaker 12: thing to talk about because he apparently has a growth
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• 2:30:13
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• 2:30:15
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  Speaker 8: SURGERY i don't.
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  Speaker 12: of our best seven. Players we'll see your tank and
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  Speaker 12: it will raise you and down the. STRETCH i was
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  Speaker 12: going over the. Schedule they've got between ten to fifteen
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  Speaker 12: games left against teams that are also un serious about,
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  Speaker 12: competing and they're dangerously close still even what they're trying to.
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  Speaker 12: Do and it really is the only compelling storyline around
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  Speaker 12: him now because now That Jared Jackson junior shut, down
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  Speaker 12: we can't really learn much about. Him so it's really
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 12: the only thing to talk about with The jazz that's somewhat.
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  Speaker 8: Compelling it's just.
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  Speaker 3: Really Unfortunately keyante's ankle is going to keep him out
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: for so. Long felt horrible for the. Kid we thought
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 3: it was a minor. Injury it's actually really pretty.
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  Speaker 12: Serious, yeah just get ready to see have you See Makai?
• 2:31:13
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  Speaker 3: EARLIER i just as long as Doctor elatroge is not
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  Speaker 3: Now we've got a, problem ladies and gentlemen us men's.
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  Speaker 3: Hockey after one tied up one one With. Latvia they've
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  Speaker 12: Keller it's the first. Period they're gonna be. FINE i
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  Speaker 12: It five to, two all, Right i'll put a bocle
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  Speaker 12: too you have to buy me a bocle of a shake. Too, Again,
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  Speaker 12: yes that's the, bet all. Right now you have to
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  Speaker 12: give me a, score because we can't just say five
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  Speaker 8: Me you give me a.
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  Speaker 4: Score all right for to.
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  Speaker 12: not those, scores Then james has.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody james has again both of us shakes.
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  Speaker 12: Perfect any other, outcome, well bottom, line we're getting.
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  Speaker 8: Baklavas so that's.
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  Speaker 4: Good boys to.
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  Speaker 12: Amazing one of the most underrated boy bands of all.
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  Speaker 12: Time and your boy over here enjoys some boy bands
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  Speaker 12: from from time to.
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  Speaker 8: Time you should know.
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  Speaker 3: That all, right thanks for listening to The sean O'connall
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  Speaker 3: scholl will do it again. Tomorrow stay tuned for The
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  Speaker 3: drive ON espn seven hundred ninety TWO.
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  Speaker 6: Fm