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Hoff interviews Larry Sharpe... "Can He Save NY from Itself?" · Conversations With the Hoff

• 1:14
  SPEAKER_04: Pull up a chair.
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  SPEAKER_04: Lean in close.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_04: Got a question.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's a beautiful day on the South Strand.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Conversations with the Hoff.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Steve Hoffman, your host, and with me in the studio today are my two radical, sometimes wacky, libertarian friends, Randy Oporowski and Trip Detmering.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yay! We have a special call-in guest today, a well-known libertarian, Larry Sharp.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Larry Sharp is a father, a Marine, an entrepreneur, a teacher, and a political activist.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: His mission is to help people find happiness through community and purpose, often by overcoming bad polydic decisions in government.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: He ran for governor of New York twice in 2018 and again in 2022.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: In his first term, he achieved ballot access for the Libertarian Party.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yay! He got 95,000 votes.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: In October of 2025, this uh just recently, he received the New York Libertarian Party's nomination again to run for governor for a third time.
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  SPEAKER_01: As the creator and host of the Sharp Way show, he's widely seen as one of the Libertarian Party's most effective communicators, someone who can translate philosophy into policy without losing ideological clarity.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's one of the few people who can bridge the gap between pragmatic libertarians and the more radical decentralists.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you listen to my past last episode, you'll know what we're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So welcome to the show, Larry.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um I am uh very happy to be here, Huff.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, one of my first uh I have a lot of questions I'd like to ask you, dozens of topics, but this is only a 30 to 40 minute show, so I'm so much so much for that.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: So uh it was three hours.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: Wait a minute.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: We we said we'd keep you on the phone for three hours.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, God, okay, good.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thirty thirty minutes is like half a question, so go ahead.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure a lot of our audience is asking the same question I'm asking.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you running for the governor of New York?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: The people in your state are are fleeing to my state right now.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Let me um let me give you this it's a great point.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh why am I running period and why the governor, you know, why am I not fleeing?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Of course I think about fleeing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most people do.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's recently a poll that shows one-third of all New Yorkers are considering leaving the state.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: The state's a disaster.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been a disaster for decades and it's getting worse.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, of course, people consider fleeing.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I actually did too.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: I actually consider going to North Carolina as what I thought about years ago in 2017.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: In 2017, 16, I was considering going to North Carolina because for what I do as a day job, I'm a business consultant.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I need large companies and businesses to make my money so I can pay my bills.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought, Charlotte, that's a nice big city.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll go there, I'll make a ton of money, it'll be fine.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I went down there and scattered it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what I found was I could sell my shoebox of a house in New York City and buy a mansion in North Carolina and feel better and have everything great and better taxes.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I got mad.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: I said, why do I have to leave my state, the state that I've grown up in, that I live in, that I have my family and friends that I'm born in, my business is here.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Why do I have to leave?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: New York is a beautiful state with a terrible government, and that's why it's right.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna run for governor, I'm gonna win, I'm gonna change the state.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was 2018.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: That did not go as planned.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Once that did not happen, and I did not win, I learned a lot.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: I saw how bad things were, how corrupt things were, how it was pay to play, and I said I'll do it again in 2022.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sadly, the state then changed all the rules, got rid of um my party.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Those who don't know, in New York State, we are literally the hardest state to get on the ballot.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: In in 2022, it was the first time in over 80 years there was no independent on the ballot at all for governor.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in 2024, New York State was the only state in the entire union that had no independent candidate on the ballot for president.
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because we we one thing we do not like in the empire state is you to pound the empire.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: We do not like that at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we make sure you do not do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in 20, so I actually considered going down there, but I said I want to stay here and buy anyway.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna run again in 2026.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: But why would I run for governor?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: People say all the time, Larry, run for city council or something.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: What will it do?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nothing, it will make no impact.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'll get a win.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll take your money, I'll get a win, and I'll virtue signal in New York City for no avail.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'll virtue signal in New York State for no avail.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Who cares?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: I can't do anything.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, in New York state where I am, the own I don't have a democracy.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: All I have is um Democrats.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: In my city, it's six to one Democrat to Republican.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Where I am, by the way, my as you guys probably know, my mayor now is Zora Mamdani.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my yeah, my assemblyman before that was Zora Mamdani.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: He was my assemblyman.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um actually I interviewed him on my show because I know him.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that yeah, and AOC is my congressperson.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I accept your condolences.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I live in the belly of the beast.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: If I run for governor, I can actually make change.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Two ways I can make change.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, if I win, the entire country changes overnight.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: The entire country is overnight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Magically overnight.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: If I don't win, but I get ballot access, I can rebuild the Libertarian Party, which by the way, I did already.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: In 2018, after I got ballot access, in 2019, I crossed the state again.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: And when I crossed the state, I helped 107 local libertarians get elected.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: We went from zero libertarians in the state to 107 in one year.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, 107 is not amazing out of the thousands, but it is the start we needed.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was all local things.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, you know, city council, water boards, you know, all the local things, but 107.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So think about what would have happened in the coming five, six, eight years.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: We would have built out an actual grassroots third party movement in New York State.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's why they changed the laws and got rid of me.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I get to win two ways.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: The last piece is in New York State, the only way to become an official party in New York State for the election law is in a statewide election.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no other way.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it has to be uh either governor or president.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's all.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: So unless I'm running for president, the only thing I have is to run for governor.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I run for governor of New York.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Ah yeah, and it's it's kind of funny.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: When you were saying, you know, after uh 2018, all I could think of is the the umpire strikes back.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: That is that is that I mean, and you're right.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: I if you no, if when you win, you will change the entire country, not just the state of New York, but the entire country, and that's how much impact.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: And that's how we've got to get people nationally to to get that realization also.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned uh ballot access.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk a little bit about that and the hurdles that you faced uh running for uh public office in New York State.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got ballot access back in 2018 with your 95,000 votes, and then the next election it's gone.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't have it anymore.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: What happened?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um New York State decided that in the middle of a cycle, in other words, a four-year cycle, we're gonna just gonna just change the rules.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so I know you got ballot access, but no, you don't.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna change the rules in the middle of the cycle so that you don't have it for the next governor election.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I sued and lost eight times, four times in in in um in um state court and four times in federal court.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Literally just said, no, no, the the the legislative can do whatever it wants.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: So my judges in my state are an embarrassment to judges throughout the entire world.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: They're so bad, so corrupt, they just do not care.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have three branches of government.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: I have two.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the judges, they just support the system.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: It does not matter what the system is, it doesn't matter that it's actually Coke and Pepsi deciding who goes on the shelf in the supermarkets.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, yeah, that makes total sense.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because if they don't do it, they won't have a job.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: So the system is completely broken.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: They just changed it.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, okay, no worries.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: I will fight anyway.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I still lost.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: It did not matter.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: So so I have to make changes.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: There, there are no, there's no longer third parties in my state anymore.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't exist.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's no checks, no balances.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's done.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Even the uh in case you didn't know this, um New York State has terrible gun laws, right?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: So so terrible that the Supreme Court, the Bruin decision said your gun laws are unconstitutional.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: And in response to those, uh that the Supreme Court of the United States saying our gun laws are unconstitutional, my governor, Kathy Hokel, has 10 more gun laws.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: In in and I'm not joking.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: And and all of them are in absolute uh opposition to Bruin.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, she does not care.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: She's the same way.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, we we have so many gun laws that most of our gun laws now they just make illegal things illegaler.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we do.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: And now they're trying to regulate uh uh not only the guns but the uh ammunition.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Gotta gotta pass some kind of law.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: What else?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: We've done it with everything else.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, wasn't Bruin a New York case, Bruin?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: Where they were actually Yeah.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: The Supreme Court said your law's unconstitutional.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: And we said, we'll take 10 more.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we did.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: I have an owner in Buffalo.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: It took him like 18 months to get a gun permit, and he said the same thing.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: Hokel, they literally just change it up.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, no matter how they fight it, they just switch it up immediately.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Every single time.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the worst part is the organizations who supposedly support the gun rights here in New York State, they're a joke.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Scope and nice are out of two uh organizations, and they just support whatever the Republican Party says.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: The Republican Party in my state has completely given up, they've totally surrendered.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: They don't care.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Something to remember, a Republican has not won um any statewide election.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Not senator, not governor, not AG, not controller in 24 years.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Zero.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: The state is just getting bluer and not redder.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, the Republicans are outgunned three to one.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: There are more independents in my state than our Republicans.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: There is no chance of Republican winning ever.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And they keep just going, this is our year.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: They just lie and lie and they've accepted it.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: They the Republican Party in my state is about two cycles away from no longer being able to run candidates anymore statewide.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: They'll run it locally, but they won't run statewide.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's already happening.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at uh right now, if you look at New Mexico, there's no Republican candidate for governor.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: And and then they're gonna get to the point where it's it's almost like the CCP has uh given them a playbook for the Democratic Party.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's worse than you would think.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Where I where I actually live in my local area, Republicans haven't run a candidate in 12 years.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: So when Mamdani actually runs, he runs unopposed.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: So there's there's one percent ripens.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: So he wins 99 to 1.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: The CCP's jealous of those numbers.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Kim Kong Un is like, how do you hit them numbers?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I want those numbers.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Stalin is rolling over his grave.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Saddam Hussein is like, you what?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: How is I gonna hit them numbers?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: So let me uh rephrase about ballot access in New York.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: The old rule that you had to have 50,000 votes in a gubernatorial election to be able to get ballot access, they increase that to 130,000 votes or 2% in either the gubernatorial or the presidential election.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you got 95,000 votes in 2018, so you got it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: But then even Joe Jorgensen in 2020 got 60,000 votes.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Nowhere close to the 130,000 new new requirements.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: So so much for ballot access for the Libertarian Party.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: You used to be able to get it onto petitioning.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: The old rule you needed 15,000 signatures.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now you have to get 45,000 signatures in just 42 days.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, let me cover a couple of those pieces.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um the first the first part is yes, you have to be on the ballot.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's the hardest part.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Getting the votes isn't as hard as you might think.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Getting on the ballot is a whole lot harder.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason is you might go, is 45,000 signatures that much?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: It actually isn't.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: The problem is what you just said.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: In 42 days, and worse, the 42 days that they have randomly specified.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, you can't start earlier or go later.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: It must be within this specific window to where in New York State we still have snowstorms.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: That and then where there's and then where there's no no no longer any any city council, any fairs, nothing, no county fairs, nothing.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: So they literally made it.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you just said, hey, Larry, um, this cycle ended before next cycle, please get me 45,000 signatures.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone could do that.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: If I got nine months to get uh that's fine, that's fair.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can do it in nine months.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can't do it in six weeks.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Not just that.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: It has to be um, it has to be um very specific.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Every single signature must be perfect.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: And when I say perfect, I mean perfect.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a little tidbit.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: If those of you who know New York City, Brooklyn is one of our boroughs.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and if you live in Brooklyn, you get to write your address, so-and-so, so-and-so street, whatever, Brooklyn, New York.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: That is your address.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: But Brooklyn is not the actual name of the county.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: The official name in a county is Kings County.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's the official name.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: If you put Brooklyn for your county, that signature does not count.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: And this is the same group that's upset with identifying yourself uh if you go to vote.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: But if you write down the what everyone knows as the county, there's no confusion in that, right?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like no one's like, what does he mean Brooklyn?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: No one thinks that.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: They all know it, they know it's Kings, and a judge will go, Yep, that's correct.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's an invalid signature.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Shame on every judge who does that.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: But they do that.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the idea of getting 45,000 is terrible because it is tripled to your point.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be 15,000.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was doable.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And when I went to court, I told the judges, this is impossible.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: You are creating an aristocracy in my state.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: You are ensuring there'll be no more independent candidates, no one can do it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: They said, You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: This is very reasonable.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: That was their words to me.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's what the judge said.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's reasonable.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yet, how we uh, me and Howie Hawkins, who have both run before, couldn't do it.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: But not just that.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Lee Zeldon, who ran for governor, he was at the time that he went to get an independent line, he literally was the Republican nominee, and he was a sitting congressman.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't do it.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Kennedy, RFK Jr., who dropped a million dollars, and as a Kennedy in New York State.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't do it.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, nope, this is completely okay.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: That is how embarrassing our judges are.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then since they made the change, Hoffie Brooke, since that change, that since that change, no independent parties have made the ballot.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: I went to New York City last year and I didn't realize you can't bring mace from out of state.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: You have to like do like an ATL.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you're and you're not talking Nancy.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: She's available by the way.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the problem.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: You you think that you have the right to defend yourself, and not in New York, you do not.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's not a thing.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: If you are a victim of a crime, shut up and be a victim.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Stop, stop being selfish, just be the victim and move on.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's how that works in New York State.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: And you also probably think that the Bill of Rights matters.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: It does not.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: In New York State is the Bill of Suggestions.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it is.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, uh I'm a big Packer fan, well, actually, an owner.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: So uh, but one of my Green Bay Packer uh players went through New York as a uh oh, what do I want to say?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: He had to go through the uh the uh airport and he followed all the rules.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, he had an expirearm and he had and he followed all the rules.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Of course he didn't.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: He went to jail anyway.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Already know.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's that that I wish that was that's so common.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: The second you began that, I knew the story.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's how common that is.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: That is the number.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, it's not just that.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you come in, I'm not joking, from Long Island, yeah, and which is for those who don't know, which is literally the summer of New York City, and you bring your firearm, you're going to jail.
• 18:51
  unknown: Wow.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: So so moving on with your campaign, uh, one of your key topics is individual liberty and personal freedom.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: And from that perspective, you uh you have a lot of uh thoughts on medical freedom.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: And as we know, during the last pandemic, uh New York City was the epitome of medical tyranny.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell us a little bit about what happened there?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna go even worse.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um in New York City, it was so bad.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it is embarrassing for me as a New Yorker because if you go back, I don't know, before 9-11, maybe 30 years, 40 years, New York City was the I'm walking here, I'm walking here.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's who we were.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Get out of my way.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a tough guy, right?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to hear stuff.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a tough guy.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's who we were.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: 9-11 shook this city up badly.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: It did.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's no doubt it did.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: But it was recoverable.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: 2008 made us again think like, wait a minute, are we gonna be okay?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: The lockdowns were the end of the city.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: New York City used to be called the city that never sleeps.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: It now sleeps.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: It now sleeps.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that's all because of lockdowns.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: Lockdowns destroyed this city.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was the final nail in a coffin.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: 9-11 started it.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: 2008 punched us.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: 2020 lockdowns ended this city.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: This city now sleeps.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Here is how bad it was.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: At 7 p.m., I'm not making this up.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: At 7 p.m., people would come out of the house to their windows because they were all stuck in their homes in their jail cells, and we would clap for the like first responders and like whatever, the nurses and whatever we clap.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: We would literally applaud our jailers.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: That is next level Stockholm Syndrome.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: That is what we had.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: We would clap for our jailers.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yay, thank you for jailing us.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for jailing us, is what we literally did.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it broke the city, it broke our spirit, and the people who actually had spirit literally left.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: One of the problems I had trying to find lieutenant governor, so this is how bad it was.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: The people who I wanted to be a lieutenant governor were the rebels like myself.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: So as I crossed the state to find people who were savvy heavy hitters, I couldn't use them.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: And here's why.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: New York State has a law.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to become governor, you must have been a resident of the state for the past five years.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Five years.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Holy cow.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Five years, yes.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And past time, not like ever five years, the past five years.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: And because of that, so many people left the state and to Florida during the lockdowns.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: So that'seligible.
• 21:28
  unknown: Yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I actually struggled to get people to be my lieutenant governor because from 2020 to 2023 they were Florida residents.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know what you say about being the Stockholm syndrome.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm in an airport and I see somebody with a mask on, I say, Oh, there's another New Yorker.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here's the word.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is the part that really it I never forget this because it actually shook me.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: When I was outside uh during the lockdowns, I saw a young woman.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: She was probably in her 20s, as I'm gonna guess.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Thin, in-shape woman running.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: She's outside, she's young, she's in good physical shape, she's running by herself, mask on.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, what what?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, first off, you're outside.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Second off, you're by yourself, third off, you're in good shape, you're running, no one else is there.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: Why is your mask on?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I realized it's just a virtual signal.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's all it was.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: See, I'm a good person.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Look, everyone, I'm a good person.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's all it was.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think it spirals when you have that much wealth and everything concentrated and you have so many people in the outer boroughs, it just over decades they just can't resist like Detroit style just confiscating all their money?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, what what winds up happening here is remember when you when you live on top of people, you become more blue.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's just how it works.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: You become more more.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason is in most suburbs or particularly rural areas, people are much more uh tied to their actual where they live.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they understand the culture.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: People are more similar.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: In New York people don't know this.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: In New York City, one third of New York City residents aren't born in the country.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Another one third aren't born in the city.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the weirdo.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Who's born in Manhattan?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the weirdo.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: It is normal for people in New York City to go, where are you from?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's the norm.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because the assumption is you're not from here.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: And like we don't have to hear an accent to say that.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: We just assume you're not from here.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's very common.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: We say, Where are you from?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: And we assume you're not from here.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's how bad it is.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: With that in mind, we don't have common culture, common religion, common rules.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have it.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's number one.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And number two, we live on top of each other here.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: There are parts of buildings in Manhattan to where the UPS truck driver, his entire route is one building.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: His entire route.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: So he pulls up to the building, runs the building, goes back, fills the truck up again, goes back, same building.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: His entire route is one building.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: That is how much we live on top of each other.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: There are parts of New York City to where within one square mile there are 60,000 people.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's more than most counties.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's how it works.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: And with that in mind, we live on top of each other, and we we don't have common cause.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: So what do we do?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: We screen for a referee.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: And who's that referee?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Government.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: We beg for it.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: We beg for referees, we beg for government.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And we get it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, will govern when you beg for government, it will come.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: It will come.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Guaranteed.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing we'll give it.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: It will come.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: But that kind of uh doesn't really represent all of New York.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a member of the local Moose Lodge.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Moose and uh mostly old folks, mostly retirees, and a lot of them from New York State, up upstate.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And they're all conservative.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, every every New Yorker I know at the Moose Lodge is a conservative.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's why they're there with you and not with me.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's why my state is now three to one against Republicans.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's why right now Republicans in my state are 23% of the electorate.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: 23%.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's why if you look at um uh our last election here in New York City, Curtis Slewa, who was a Republican, he got seven percent of the vote.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Not 17, not 70, 7% of the vote.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: You're correct.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: All the all the people who are Republicans or conservative leaning, they're leaving.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're living in droves.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: We lose over a hundred thousand every single year.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: So as far as representation goes, why is New York State one single entity?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Why haven't they pushed for secession?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let New York City be an entity in itself, and then the rest of the state be another political entity.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Those those days are long gone.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: And what I mean by that is the state is so blue, even if you took New York City out, New York State's still blue.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like you said, though all the judges are already gonna make sure that you can't you can't pass anything.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: So look, New York City is a big red state with a bunch of blue blotches.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: The problem is the blue blotches are getting bigger, and the red people in the red areas are leaving.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: So even if you got rid of New York City, New York State's still blue, Rochester's blue, Buffalo's blue, Syracuse is blue, Albany's blue, Ithaca's blue, Binghamton's blue, all the cities in New York State, they're all blue.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't matter.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: The state is so blue, even if you got rid of New York City, it's still blue.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Those days are over.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Florida used to be a swing state.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Remember those days?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Not anymore.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's now a red state.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: New York was one done.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: There was a time in 2022 where Florida was changing over 6,000 New York State licenses every month to Florida.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's 200 a day.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: 200 every day.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Swapping out.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's how bad it is.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: So of course everyone down there is a conservative.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: They were if they were liberals, they'd be happy with me.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, when you were talking about upstate, uh, something in it just kind of clicked with me, and it I always love to hear you talk about this.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: The next gen nuclear uh what do I call them?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh nuclear plants that could have so much benefit and bring things back to not only upstate New York, what you have in your plan for New York for energy could be nationwide and fantastic.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, tell them a little bit about that.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I can't remember what generation it was, to be honest with you.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: No worries.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, both Trump and Hokel, so both the president and my governor, Republican Democrat, both agree with Minhouse, so I know I'm right.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: See how it is?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, um, they're both now talking about nuclear energy, which is the right move.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Gen 4 nuclear energy um is thorium, and the Chinese have already built a couple of those.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: These types of um nuclear power plants physically cannot melt down.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is impossible.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: So there's no meltdown ability whatsoever.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: But even if you did go through an older generation, you can go through modular uh ones they have now.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the module once something goes wrong, you shut down one module and the rest can keep pumping.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: So you can create modular nuclear power plants, and even those are even safer.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Even Trump said it, so is Kathy Holkle.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Why does this matter?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's about 12 places across New York State where you can pop one in right now.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just this setup where we had an old station you could pop in, put a nuclear uh power plant in.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: And here's how you do it you take the land as government land, and the people who are gonna build it are gonna be AI slash energy companies because the AI people want this stuff.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, right now, there's no reason to put a uh AI um data processing center in your area, it will just raise your cost and trash your water, it won't be good.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Who would want it?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: I understand.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: But if we do this route, where we let them build a power plant, what we do is we just lease the land out.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: As we lease the land out, the state gets cash from them to lease the land out and they get to build it.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: The government does not build it.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: If the government builds it, it'll take 20 years and it'll fail.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: They build it.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now they're paying me rent every year, so they better hurry up because I want my money.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the mob, I want my cut.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm getting my cut no matter what.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: So you better build your plant.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now you're gonna say, but Larry, there'll be all kinds of regulations and stuff.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, I will simply give them all the yeses they need under my signature.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: The federal government will then sue me.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: Good, I'll keep them in court for five or ten years while they build my nuclear power plant.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: So as they build a nuclear power plant and the feds sue, I don't care what the feds say, I will ignore them and put them in court, they'll build it.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Once they're done building it, here's the rules on building it.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Two things.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, um, it must be 50% owned by the local municipality or local uh county as long as they vote in the club beside they want to have it.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: If they don't want it, they don't get it.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Localization.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: If they want it, they get it.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: And when I say owned, I don't mean owned by the government or owned by the county.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean owned by the individual residents of that county, individual people, each of them is an owner.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: They have voting rights.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: So we cannot control AI because they won't let us uh they won't let us regulate it.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: They're not gonna, it's a it's a weapon system, they're afraid, they won't do it.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so how do we control it?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: We control it via energy.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: It needs energy.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we have voting rights to say, don't do this.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: When you start to build a terminator and on us, then it comes kill us all.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: We can vote against it and shut you down.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: We can do that.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: We can actually do that if we need to.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's number one.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: But number two, if it's connected, uh sorry, if it is 50% owned, that means 50% of profit is also going to the local people.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: So now do I want an AI uh you know, data processing center?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, as many as I can get.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna connect them directly to the nuclear power plant, therefore it doesn't affect my grid because the New York State grid cannot handle it.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: So directly to it, if you want to blockchain, uh mining, enjoy.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Now, at the end of the year, we follow the Alaska model.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: In Alaska right now, um, at the end of the year, people who live in Alaska get a check.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if these people want to get a check, they can.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Or if they don't do that, they can instead vote to say, hey, you know what?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want a check.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: What I want is to build out a local credit union, that it's a county or municipality credit union, so that we can give out 1% loans to people to build housing, or 1% loans to fix our main streets and have business loans, whatever we decide.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: You vote.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's funded by the nuclear power plant.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: You can't wait to get more people in there, and before you know it, you're rebuilding your local communities.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Not just that.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you just want to check, that's fine too.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden, now I've created a UBI type style without government taxation, without government intervention, and it's not actually UBI, it's actually LBA.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: It is not universal basic income, it is localized basic assets.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Now I have localized basic assets.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: People who are wealthy aren't wealthy because they have good income.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're wealthy because they have assets.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm giving people assets and I'm changing it to an ownership mindset.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: You can begin to own different parts of your of your world, your local community, so you care about it and want to fix your local community.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: You want to fix potholes?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: You got you got a way to put together, if you want to, a sovereign fund for your municipality, fix potholes if you want to.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: You can decide.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: The government, the governor can walk away and let you figure things out on your own.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: You want to you need more housing, you need more uh, you know, uh children's uh playgrounds and parks, you do what you gotta do to fix your own community up.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: You start doing that, you will watch the entire country copy you'll correct.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: So so let's go back to that uh the data centers.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of counties, a lot of cities, um, areas around the country that are fighting the data centers because they're high volume of energy requirements.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So you're basically saying that the data centers would be a 50-50 partnership and owning the the generators of electricity?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you if if that's happening, Half, if you're getting a check at the end of the year based upon how much energy your nuclear power plant kicks out, you cannot wait for AIP.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Be like, hey guy, can you give me two more?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: These ships, six more?
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's like so they would increase the demand and you get a bigger check?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Or you can decide something else.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can say, I don't want to pay for energy.
• 32:46
  unknown: Yeah.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can lower the price of your own energy if you want to.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: You vote.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: You have voting rights.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't decide that.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: If your people in your community go, no, no, we are okay paying higher rates because we want to build something else.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be a decision you make through voting.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Or no, we want cheap.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, or we want to check.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to worry about that.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the governor.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Why do I care about the local community?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: You do as you see fit.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: My job as governor is to protect you against the local bullies, to protect you against the federal bullies.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: My job is to protect your rights, not control your life.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's the difference.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you figure it out, and it'll work as you see fit, and I'm okay with that.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think nuclear has like a hundred times as much energy as coal and oil and stuff.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's way more efficient.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: And an interesting point on leftists, most climate scientists support nuclear energy and climate activists don't.
• 33:38
  unknown: Yes.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here's the here's the weirdest part.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you listen to a a modern-day socialist, they will tell you the same thing every time.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Larry, you don't understand.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't real socialism.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you what real socialism is.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: And they say, oh God.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you what real socialism is.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Socialism is workers owning the means of production.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: I go, okay.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds good.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm against it being forced, but I'm not against it.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: You make that happen.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: No worries.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, if you want to become socialist voluntarily, the Amish has been doing that for years and been just fine.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mind.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: You do you.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not mad at you for wanting to, you know, whatever, get the kibbutz that you do in Israel.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: You do you.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not mad at you.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: You want to do that?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: All good.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Where is the modern-day socialist plan for ownership?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: There is none.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: I gave you one.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: My LBI, my LBA idea of localized basic assets is literally people owning the means of production.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually giving you what socialists talk about.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually doing it voluntarily.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: You choose, if you want to, endure.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: You will own nothing and you will be happy.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the own nothing part's true.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: The happiness, not so sure right now.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, as my our good friend Mars Tore would call you a solutionary.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I love Mars.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Marge is crazy, buddy of mine.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: I love him.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: So the main point here is that freedom of choice is what we should have in all marketplaces, including energy.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're a madman.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: You're a madman.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I am.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: You should have uh a multitude of choices, whether it's wind energy, hydroelectricity, uh uh uh gas, uh nuclear, quite an option.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: You should have freedom of choice.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: If we do that, then how am I gonna maintain my patronage system where I control people and get money?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Have you thought about that?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's because you are you see how selfish you are?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's because most government entities have three branches of government: an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a lobbyist branch.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's the third branch of government.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's the senior branch.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so so it basically in closing, uh I'd like to thank you for being a guest, but what's the what do you say to people who tell you that voting libertarian is wasting their vote?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: Here's what I would say.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: In the past 20 years, 25 years, if you lean left, the Democrats have controlled the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and the courts.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I would ask you, if you lean left, what have they done?
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: What have they done for you?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Did they, where is your Medicare for all?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Where is your codification of Roe v.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Wade?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nowhere.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you lean right, the Republicans have also controlled the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: At the same time, often both of them have.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, great, you lean right.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Where is your balanced budget amendment?
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where is your um immigration reform?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Nowhere.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: You don't get what you want when you vote Republican or Democrat.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: You feel like you're getting it, you don't.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: All they do is say, other guy bad, I'll protect you from the other.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we have a situation now too where my win is just the other guy losing.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's all it is.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: My life isn't any better, nothing's changed.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: I keep fighting over the same things.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: If you keep voting Democrat Republican, you will keep getting the same thing.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: If you are happy with how our country is, if you think what we're doing is just fine, we're on the right track, vote Democrat or Republican.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Fine, you will get the same thing.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you, makes total sense.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you're saying to yourself, this isn't working, something's not working, stop it.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I can tell you.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Stop it.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very well said.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Mr.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sharp, thanks for being a guest on Conversations with the Hoff.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I hope our listening audience can appreciate the need for more libertarians not only to run, but to be elected to public office.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Libertarian policies like those presented by Larry Sharp can best be described as reasonably sane.
• 37:47
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• 37:59
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