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Serum Bovine Protein Isolate: A Breakthrough in Digestive Health with McClain Haines · Wellness by Designs - Practitioner Podcast

• 0:21
  Speaker 1: This is Well and the Spy Designs, and I'm your host, andrew, with FieldCook.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Joining us today is McLean Haynes, who's a patient advocate with Proliant Health in the USA, and we're going to be discussing a very exciting and I mean really exciting raw material.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Well and the Spy Designs, mac.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: How are you Now?
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: forgive me, I'm going to say Mac, because everybody knows, you're Mac.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on the show.
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited for, like you said, what we're talking about today.
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: There's so much that we can't even cover in this segment, but we're going to do the best we can.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now I love your work because you talk and you work with gastroenterologists and even quite orthodox medical practitioners in the States getting this product to help people with gut complaints.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: Can I get you to talk about a little bit about what you do?
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you know.
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: Kind of like Andrew was saying, I kind of help educate on the mechanism of action with this product and how exactly it is addressing a lot of the underlying cause of inflammation for patients and consumers and attacking that and removing it before it can cause that response.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: A lot of my part over here is again educating gastroenterologists but also educating our nature paths, educating consumers and helping launch amazing new products with great companies like Designs for Health, who's brand new in the area for Australia and bringing this ingredient over there.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: And so let's discuss exactly what this product is.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: We're sort of restricted by what we can say, so I'm going to leave it to you.
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: What exactly is it?
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just a serum bovine protein isolate and that isolate is super high in IgG.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: A lot of people in here in IgG they instantly think Colostrum is what comes to their head.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: What we have here is an alternative to Colostrum, since it's derived from serum and it's actually double the amount of IgG.
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: That IgG, which is a polyclonal antibody at this point everyone understands antibodies target the bad guys.
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: You have one here that is super concentrated and binds and removes over 46 different pathogens like Candida albicans, that H pylori LPS, which we know makes up about 60% of the antigens in the GI tract.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: This specific antibody is going to work its way through the GI tract, bind, neutralize and remove those pathogens before they can set off that inflammatory response.
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: Can I just for my own benefit, probably here for give you everybody for my ignorance.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: But in the past I've concentrated on more secretory IgG.
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: You know lactoparotsidase, lactoaffect, ferrin, glycomacropeptides as being the sort of quote, unquote actives in Colostrum.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: We're looking, we're concentrating IgG here.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: Can you just take us through?
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: How does it work?
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: What's it like?
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: Is it a poly?
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: That's a five sided antibody, right?
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: No, polyclonal just mean it binds on to multiple pathogens, compared to monoclonal antibodies, which is specific approach at one antigen.
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: So we have one here that doesn't just bind on to one, two or a couple.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it binds on to around 46 and the reason we went with IgG and we concentrate in that area is it's most abundant in the GI tract.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: So when we're trying to resolve a GI issue, we want something that's going to be most polyclonal throughout your digestive system.
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, so again, we're mentioning Colostrum previously.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: So is this something that still has those dairy proteins in it?
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: Or you said that no, this is from serum.
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: So Are there any issues with those people that are sensitive to dairy, even I'm going to say IgE sensitive?
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: And I'd love to go on this with you, andrew.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: We know about 20% of the population does have a dairy allergy.
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: The amazing thing is, like you said, this is derived from serum, so this is going to be someone that maybe has a dairy allergy, has a lactose issue.
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: They're not going to have a problem with this product because it is lactose free.
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: It's double the amount of IgG and it's a super clean protein.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: So, say you take two grams of this product, you're essentially getting two grams of protein and all the benefits of that IgG and binding up any potential inflammatory triggers before they set off the response.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: All right, my mind's going here like going in all directions, okay, speaking just following on with allergies.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: So what about other antigens?
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: What about, let's say, use with, say, those people on blood thinning medication, noaax and other things that that might have effects on platelet aggregation, things like that?
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: Are there any effects in these sort of drug classes?
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't have any effect, especially within your bloodstream.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: This product, we know, is a non-systemic product, so, again, it's just working locally through the GI tract.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: So you're never going to have an issue when it comes to elevating your IgG levels or your IgA levels, which we know can lead to other issues for those patients.
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, and what about things like, let's say, contaminants, antibiotics, hormones?
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: There've been a big issue in the past.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, Again, no contraindication.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: If anything, they could work better together, very synergistically.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: We're just working locally in the GI tract to remove that antigen.
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: While you're antibiotic obviously can fight in other areas for you To talk a little bit more on the safety and efficacy for this product.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off there, andrew.
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: This product was initially launched in 2013 for the dietary management for patients with IBSD, ibd, crohn's Ulcerative Colitis, as well as HIV and Arropathy.
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: We know this is a population that can be the most immunosuppressed and have the most digestive distress.
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: So you have an ingredient here that's backed by over 45 human clinical trials on IBSD, on Crohn's Ulcerative Colitis, but even SIBO, that small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: We know this is an antibody concentrate that goes after the bad bacteria that is an overgrowth in that area and starts to remove it over time.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Reduce the inflammatory trigger, get that gut barrier chance to contract back together and build a healthy base Again.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: Your patients are going to absorb more water, nutrients and protein that they need to live a healthier, happier life.
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this was going to be my next question regarding, you know, those people that have got not just leaky gut but also I'm over saying the word here, but full minute but really bad leaky gut issues with zonulin being activated, being break, broken down and the cells leaking apart.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: We don't have an issue of the IgE leaking through there.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: It actually heals.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: You're just giving the gut barrier a chance to heal.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: The reason these patients have this digestive distress consistently over time is because they continuously have a leaky gut where they have a gut barrier that has deteriorated and now it's just a free flow of different bad bacteria and antigens, consistently setting off an inflammatory response.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: And again they're just on a hamster wheel of GI inflammation and they just can't get off because that gut barrier needs time to heal.
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: All we're doing is binding and removing those pathogens that cause that inflammation.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: And again the body wants to heal itself and we're giving it the chance to now contract back together, rebuild those tight junction proteins that zonulin in there and again reduce the effect and opportunity for other antigens to slip through and cause a response.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: And what about effects on the microbiota Mucosal production, like, for instance, we've got one layer of mucus seemingly in the small intestine and two mucosalase in the large, in the colon, in the large intestine, any changes of the microbiota that you've seen, any changes in the diversity and also maybe the populations, maybe, I don't know, inhibiting fumicates and promoting bacteroidetes, like anything that you can elucidate there?
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked, andrew.
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: We did have some amazing new data where we partnered with a group here in the States called Cryptobiotics and we knew this was amazing at reducing those antigens that caused the inflammation.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: But could this also feed the good stuff as well?
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: This amazing study led us to the conclusion that when we looked at these patients and these donor stools and they were being fed obviously this serum bovine protein isolate consistently over time, it wasn't just decreasing their engine load, but it also had prebiotic effects at increasing butyrate acetate and proprenate as well.
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: Just an amazing side effect that you're getting with this product if not just removing the bad guys, but you have the opportunity to feed the good guys as well.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: And are we talking about antigen load purely in the gut?
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: What about systemically?
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: What about in the bloodstream, even affecting perhaps I don't know dermatitis, psoriasis, things like that, inflammatory conditions that might be affected, not caused by, but affected by, gut permeability?
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah to speak off in the blood if there's an antigen increase is.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: We did a clinical trial at the University of North Texas here in the States.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: We knew again this product was amazing for the super inflamed and super immunosuppressed population.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: But what about Mima, who took a vacation somewhere, ran across some type of antigen and now she's having digestive distress?
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: What if we can help the healthy age population as well?
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: In this case we were feeding college kids.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: A high-fat diet that consisted of two slices of pizza was of course elevating their LPS and their blood levels and setting off and leading to some kind of response.
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe it could have been bloating, could have been some type of inflammatory response causing an issue.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: So from day zero they were fed that piece of pizza and then they were put on 45 days of consecutive supplementation of the serum bovine protein isolate.
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: Again, that was measured at one, two and four grams, but at any of those doses.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: On day 45, when we measured their blood levels and see if we could see a spike in that LPS, it barely even rose, showcasing that when we can secondly supplement this product, we continuously remove LPS and different antigens that could get into the blood levels and cause a response.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: So you're essentially just sending in the bodyguards continuously remove the bad guys, get everyone out of the building so they can't cause a fight or an issue.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that was on LPS in basically, well, people, and what you said, there is basically what is it?
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: One, two, four grams, no real difference between the doses.
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: So smaller doses are beautiful, of course, the more you take at this product, the more effective it's gonna be.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: So antibodies bind antigens.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: If you take 10 grams of the product you're gonna bind up a lot more antigens.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: But if you take one gram of this product you may bind up a different, a couple at a time.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: So the more you take, the more effective of course it's going to be.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: But for your everyday population, around two and a half grams to two grams we see as the optimal dosing to relieve those symptoms in a good three to four weeks.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: And so what about, in more full-monic conditions like Crohn's you mentioned inflammatory bowel disease, like ulcerative colitis?
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Do you tend to go in hard first and do a step down, or do you tend to say, hey, let the patient get used to this?
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: What's the dosage regime?
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Do you go up or down?
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: We actually go up.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: A lot of our gastroenterologists also recommend to go up because this is a overload approach.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: It's to bind up as many different antigens, especially for that populations that has Crohn's and ulcerative colitis.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: They're going to be super inflamed, they're going to have a super high antigen load.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: So the whole idea is to overwhelm all that bad bacteria, get as much bound up, neutralize and start the process of removing those.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: Once the healthy gut barrier has restored itself, we can titrate down to a lower dosing as a maintenance dose.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: Right, sorry so my misnomer there.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: So you start high and step down once the patient gets better, rather than letting the patient get used to it bit by bit.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, gotcha, okay, and no issues with Herxharmers reaction.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: No issues with the dumping of toxins that people sometimes experience.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, in all of our clinical trials there's no major adverse events.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: Some feedback we get a lot, especially those that have a heavy diarrhea symptom to everything is they say I feel constipated or maybe I feel a little full.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: We always say that's good, that means you know where reactions happening in there.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: How many days do you think you need to go to the bathroom today?
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Well, they say you know, like five to six.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Once they get down to maybe one or two, they're not used to that feeling and it's just a big aha moment for them, like wow, this is kind of the daily limit I need to go to the bathroom.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: That's actually.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: That's a whole nother podcast about what we used to and you know changes.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: But I take your point about.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: You know, once you initiate any therapy I've often said this and it was actually an integrative doctor not far from me in the last few weeks who's been, who said I don't mind if it's a bad side effect, necessarily or perceived as bad, because I can adjust, that I'm confident enough that I know what to do.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I don't mind if it's a good side effect, because that just makes my head get bigger.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: And he said the problem that I have is when I see no change, that's when I'm dead in the water.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: I've got to go revisit everything.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: So we've mentioned a few things here.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: So you've mentioned mainly gut, but also some skin disorders.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry but my mind's gone hell for leather here.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: So if we're talking about changing the immune response majorly in the gut, but that which can affect distal sites, we can go anywhere from you know, ibsd, ibsc, ibs, mixed, we can go inflammatory bowel disease, we can go remedial stuff like bloating and things like that.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: But then you can go the skin disorders you can even go into maybe as a second line therapy for mental health.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: We all know it starts in the gut, right, andrew?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: And if you have a leaky gut and it continuously is being inflamed, again, that's affecting your cognition you were talking about.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: That could be affecting your skin and your appearance.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: If we can heal up the gut lining, we absorb more of those key nutrients.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: We need to live a healthier, happier life, to take in more water, more protein.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll get another one for you Long COVID, cfs, multiple, sorry, myelgic myelitis, myelitis, you know this is raised at TED recently.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: It's far more prevalent than what was admitted to in the orthodox research.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: What about this sort of thing?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have some amazing ongoing research where we did, we're doing a clinical trial at the university or at the university in Barcelona, spain, looking at the specific spike protein that was in COVID and seeing if this, you know immunoglobulin had a chance or an opportunity to bind and help inhibit that spike protein.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And obviously the results and that clinical trial will be summed up, I believe, at the end of this year, but of course I'll make sure to give you that information as soon as we can, andrew, and the results.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Okay so now with long walk so big.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off, andrew but no, you go, you go that comes with a lot of different distress, not just affecting, obviously, your digestive issues, but people being more fatigued, mental health, cognition issues a whole list of different areas.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And just anecdotal dope from our gastroenterologists is they've seen a lot of success utilizing this serum, bovine immunoglobulin, on their patients that have long-haul COVID Cause.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Again, maybe we can't directly affect that long-haul COVID, but we can reduce the antigen load that's gonna cause a worse response or cause a response later on.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: So when we continuously remove antigens we limit the opportunity for an inflammatory trigger.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I've got another one.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I hear you mentioning 45 clinical trials and my mind's going ballistic here.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: So what about weight management?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: You know, we know, that people who are overweight have a worse issue with increased LPS migration.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Any research here that you've done?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, like you're saying right there, if they have an elopated LPS, this is gonna be an amazing product, because we know it binds and removes LPS.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, again, you are what you eat, but if you have a healthier gut barrier, you're absorbing more of the key nutrients, you're gonna feel better, you're gonna work harder in the gym and you're gonna live a healthier, happier life, cause you're not gonna have those issues and the side effects you have from eating differently or changing a diet.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And so what about some other of those?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the 45 human clinical research trials.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: How do we find them?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've got to ask you can we please put these up on the Designs for Health website?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Because this is just.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: This is blowing my mind.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I will obviously want to sit down and talk with Designs for Health cause.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: We want to get this information to the world.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: If you really want to do a deep dive and look into our research, you can visit ProliantHealthandBiologicscom.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so just wwwphb1.com and we will have our full list of every single clinical trial we've done on again, ibsd, ibd, leaky gut, celiac, non-celiac HIV and neuropathy.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Again, this is gonna be one of the most clinically studied supplements over in Australia as it now on safety, efficacy and the effectiveness that it has in these issues, because it's removing the underlying cause of the inflammation, that antigen and getting it out before it can cause a response.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Mac, I'm so sorry to keep you.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I know that you're really busy, but just one last question before you go how was the dealing with the regulatory bodies in Australia for you, because this is a totally new product.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: We haven't seen anything like this before.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the regulatory process.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I actually kind of want to start here in the States.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: We originally launched it, like I said, in 2013, as a medical food for the dietary management of all these different issues.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: But all this product is, guys, is a super clean protein that's super high in IgG and there's no reason we couldn't launch this as a supplement and everyone could be taking this product.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: And when we explain that to the FDA back in 2018, it was a no-brainer for them that if we launched it at a lower dosing around half the dosing everyone was able to take this product.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And it's now an amazing product here in the States that's helping manage digestive distress, immune issues, but cognitive skin issues so many different areas is being utilized by dermatologists, different doctors for many different issues.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Of course, it was amazing that we launched it with the US company Designs for Health here in the States and it just so happens that Designs for Health Australia is a company that came to one of our talk shows and learned a little bit about the ingredient and said how do we get our hands on this and how do we share this with everyone in Australia?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: So, going through different regulatory process ways, there is some things that kind of cause an issue when it comes to administering it as a supplement over there.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: But of course, since we have a New Zealand plant, it was very easy for Designs for Health Australia to be able to ship that product directly in and help launch it as their own supplement.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Forgive me, mac, I know that you're rushed for time, but can I just ask?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about autoimmunity, but can I ask about things like mixability and, you know, let's say, heat stability?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Can you cook with this?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: How do you take it?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Can you put it in water juice, whatever?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the product is really flavorless.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: It really just make.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: There are really just tastes like whatever you mix it in.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: We do recommend when it comes to baking it would have to be a super slow process and maybe an area you shouldn't go towards.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: The IGG in this product does to nature if you get above 142 degrees Fahrenheit.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what that would be, obviously on the scale on your guys's end.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: But of course, if you have, if you have a product you like to put in your coffee every morning, maybe let the coffee simmer down a little bit and cool off before you put the product in.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But as far as being too cold, you're going to have no issues there and you know you can mix it in anything my dad puts in his pudding.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I like to put it my smoothies, coffee, water, favorite flavor beverage, whatever works to take the product and get it down.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So I just looked it up 142 degrees Fahrenheit is 61 degrees Celsius, so I think 65 is the you know supposed level at which a cappuccino is is made.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So maybe, just as you say, let it cool for a little bit.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: But I hope no one is drinking 65 degree Celsius coffee.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Hi, yeah, mclean Haines, mac, thank you so much for coming on to the Wellness Fighters.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm podcast.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: This is really exciting stuff for me because, like I see, I can see Colostrum trails sales dropping through the floor.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But but it's, it's a product which was never fully utilized to what it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I'm talking Colostrum here because people had issues with dairy, but this is just so like.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: This is groundbreaking.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: It's unreal.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So I just I can't thank you enough for taking us through this today.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be certainly looking through this research to see where it can be used.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That's well done.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Well done for you.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Andrew, thank you so much for having me on and helping get this to the world.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'm so thankful for companies like Designs for Health Australia helping share it to the world.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: So if you're looking to try this product and if you're looking to manage your engine load and reduce that inflammatory response and reduce your symptoms, they're the people to go to to get this product.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Awesome work and thank you everyone for joining us today.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so excited.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Still, you can get all of the show notes or the other podcasts on the Designs for Health website.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Wichfield Cook.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: This is Wellness Fighters Ones.