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Darrell Campbell's journey from hard knock life as a player, to Emmy-winning Hard Knocks producer · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: You know you're not never You're never ready. You know
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  Speaker 1: you're not ever ready. Dude, I called an hour early.
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  Speaker 1: I was ready, but you're right. I'm I'm you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not on I'm on time, but I'm never ready.
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  Speaker 1: Actually you're correct. Welcome to the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Peter and Tillman and I got my guy Roman.
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  Speaker 1: I am never on time or have my stuff ready?
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  Speaker 1: Harper with me today as my coals. What's up balls?
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  Speaker 1: What's up? My boy? And you know what, I was
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  Speaker 1: on time, I just didn't have my stuff, So you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of right. I mean you did you There's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things you gotta, you know, get right here.
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  Speaker 1: Um would a charge or not? The charge of the
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  Speaker 1: USB microphone microphone? Yeah, yeah, you gotta get that. But
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  Speaker 1: whatever the case, we're gonna get you set up. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we got a special guest, Sees, a former teammate of mine,
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  Speaker 1: a former irishman. We got Darryl dc Amble joining us
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  Speaker 1: today on the show. DC. What's up baby? How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Peanut Man? Appreciate your own man. Love to
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  Speaker 1: be on the show Man. You guys are funny as
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  Speaker 1: all get out. Love it, love it to death, love
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  Speaker 1: the banner you guys have it. M just glad to
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  Speaker 1: be on um Man journey, right, That's pretty much what
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  Speaker 1: it's all about. Notre Dame to Chicago with you, um,
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  Speaker 1: watching you run around Peanut punching the hell out of everybody,
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  Speaker 1: which is great. Um. And then to the Browns for
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  Speaker 1: a season under Romeo Carneal won four games and that
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  Speaker 1: was just horrible. That was just horrible. Yep. And then
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  Speaker 1: to Tampa for a couple of seasons under Gruden UM
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  Speaker 1: and then starting my trick with the Arena Football League
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  Speaker 1: with the Orlando Predators for a season. By halfway through there,
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore picked me up, so I got to put my
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  Speaker 1: hand in the dirt again. Release once they after couple
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  Speaker 1: couple of games. And then to Canada, where I think
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  Speaker 1: right before this we were talking about my uh my
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  Speaker 1: Kimbo Kimbo slice affinity, you know, so I had How
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  Speaker 1: long was I was? How long was the one season
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  Speaker 1: in a Great Cup with Mark Trust was the head
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  Speaker 1: coach there? Um? It was. It was pretty good, pretty
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  Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Different ball out there for no, not Toronto,
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  Speaker 1: the Montreal Montreal the yeah yeah yeah played played Calgary
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  Speaker 1: and the Great Cup and uh yeah and one and
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, those Montreal days were pretty pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: I think you got to get get use to that
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  Speaker 1: French Canadian speech though. That's something else, that's a that's
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  Speaker 1: a yeah. And they encourage you to try and speak
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  Speaker 1: French right like the more you. Oh yeah, if if
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  Speaker 1: you're coming from below the border and you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: just roll roll with English, that's just not gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not You're not gonna get a sandwich
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  Speaker 1: when you try to go to put you ain't gonna
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  Speaker 1: get nothing. They're gonna they're gonna work with you. You
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  Speaker 1: know a little bit. A little bit I've been in,
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  Speaker 1: I got a little bit, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the trainers, those part of their staff
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  Speaker 1: kind of helped me out. Um. But I think the
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  Speaker 1: one thing you just gotta be honest, man. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: know your lane. As long as your honest, people will
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  Speaker 1: work with you. If if you if you try to
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  Speaker 1: do something they know you can't you listen, you don't
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  Speaker 1: even stop that, just don't even go there, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? But uh yeah, as long as you honest,
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  Speaker 1: you stay in your lane. People will work with you,
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  Speaker 1: you know who as you went in a trail Rome.
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  Speaker 1: So I went there for Kai you know Kaya Bearer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, he got married in Montreal.
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  Speaker 1: He was there for a very long time. So that
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  Speaker 1: was one of my trips to Montreal. And it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: So I took French in high school and so I
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  Speaker 1: pick up the little things. I know how to read it,
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  Speaker 1: I know how to say the little things. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Uppelle Roman talk a little bit here and there.
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  Speaker 1: You attempt, but like he's saying though, like being a
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  Speaker 1: brother from below the border and you come up there
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  Speaker 1: like you must attempt to speak rich. You've got a shot.
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  Speaker 1: It will not be happy with you because Montreal is
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  Speaker 1: one of those like hard hard French Canadian lines, like
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  Speaker 1: that's where it is, and they want you to speak
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  Speaker 1: French there. They don't want you to be speaking English
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  Speaker 1: in Montreal, so especially certain parts of it. So it's
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  Speaker 1: really cool to experience that and hearing, you know, doing
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  Speaker 1: some research on DC Man and hearing his adventures about
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  Speaker 1: in Montreal, which to me, I think we really need
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  Speaker 1: to jump into that. It's a lot more to unpack
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  Speaker 1: in your one season in Montreal under coach Trestman, everything
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  Speaker 1: that you got to do and experience there. I listened
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  Speaker 1: to you on another podcast talk about, you know how
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  Speaker 1: the videoographer guys like they didn't speak English and all
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  Speaker 1: a sudden they quit and halfway through the season. Now
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  Speaker 1: you step in and they didn't even know you could
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  Speaker 1: do this. They were like, hey, you know, well you
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  Speaker 1: were already doing some my T stuff once you got
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  Speaker 1: off of work, and you're like, hey, maybe I could
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  Speaker 1: you know, fill in this board for you and they're like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: you just focus on football, and it's okay, go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: felt and then eventually they came back to you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The crazy thing is when you have discriminal employees, especially
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  Speaker 1: in that whole it videography world, it's just not a
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  Speaker 1: good look for the team. So, you know, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of figured it like this, Well, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: watching film anyway, just as all the other you know,
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  Speaker 1: my teammates. Well, like, you know, hey, man, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: a few extra Canadians so I can get this done
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  Speaker 1: for us and then make some highlight clips on the way.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's really just apply, just applying yourself, man,
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  Speaker 1: trying to make extra buck and you know, make make
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  Speaker 1: sure making sure that everybody else's uh you know, comes
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  Speaker 1: along with you with respect to that. So before you
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  Speaker 1: making an extra buck though, yeah, I mean it was
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  Speaker 1: like it was like unpaid and stuff. Right. He was
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  Speaker 1: doing it just to do it to kind of help
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  Speaker 1: everybody else out. Well, yeah, I mean to start, but
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  Speaker 1: then after a while, like it just you know, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta gotta gotta slide a little bit of extra something,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it's just the time, man.
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  Speaker 1: You know this, and you know, people like if you
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  Speaker 1: if you, if you study and taping, like you're like
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  Speaker 1: all right, man, like I'm trying to to study my opponent.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I got to get this
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  Speaker 1: ready for like everybody else, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's the time spend value received that this just
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  Speaker 1: got has to has to line up, so um, and
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  Speaker 1: they didn't slipping a few extra dollars which was cool. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, well a lot of it was really fun. Though.
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  Speaker 1: When did you get started? I know, because you had
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  Speaker 1: you had trust, when I had trust. When he was
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  Speaker 1: in Chicago, What time would you guys start your day?
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  Speaker 1: The schedule is a little bit similar to like NFL ball.
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  Speaker 1: You're up there early, you eat in the morning, you
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  Speaker 1: kind of go through your walk throughs throughout the day,
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  Speaker 1: and then you go and you have your practice. It's
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  Speaker 1: just that it finishes a lot, a lot sooner than
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  Speaker 1: than NFL ball does. So he tried to be as
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  Speaker 1: with us, but it didn't. It didn't work. It So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: ro it was not Oh what did he drove with?
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  Speaker 1: You got try the same type of thing happen. So
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  Speaker 1: now you know how you do one on ones the
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  Speaker 1: whole time, right, you know, you do walk through and
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  Speaker 1: then you have like scout one, scout two, scout team whatever.
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  Speaker 1: We would do scout team, but it was a walking
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  Speaker 1: scout team. So you never saw the Yeah, you never
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  Speaker 1: saw the plays from the offense full speed. It was
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  Speaker 1: at a walkthrough pace. And I remember Lands and I
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  Speaker 1: were like, hey, can we can we get these plays
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  Speaker 1: a little bit faster because come Sunday, they're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: running this goal route, They're gonna be running this smash
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  Speaker 1: or this high loves like they're gonna do it fast.
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  Speaker 1: Like I can. I can defend this all day. I'm
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  Speaker 1: all pro in a walkthrough, but I need to see
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  Speaker 1: this faster. But we literally would practice full speed ones
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  Speaker 1: on one. So it was a training camp practice. Every
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  Speaker 1: single day it was just our offense, number one offense
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  Speaker 1: versus number one defense. I couldn't tell you how many
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  Speaker 1: times I knew our own offenses, our offensive plays, because
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  Speaker 1: we went against them every team period, every single day.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't work out. I mean, it's cool in Canada,
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  Speaker 1: you know AFL, you know Canadian CFL. Excuse me, but
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  Speaker 1: it just how we did things. Nah, man, it didn't
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  Speaker 1: really work out for us. When did you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it was time to be done. I knew you're making
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  Speaker 1: you're making edits, you're doing all these films, But when
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  Speaker 1: did you know it was time to be done? Like
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I think I've I think I've got
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  Speaker 1: my last sack. It's time to hang these clicks up.
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  Speaker 1: So once I was done with Canada and after that
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  Speaker 1: that first season, came back to the States and I
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  Speaker 1: was just kind of mouling around for a while. Like
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  Speaker 1: my my wife was, you know, an investment banker with
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  Speaker 1: City Banks. She had just transferred from Chase in Chicago. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we're in Philly. We had no family here, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in pa um and my son was my son was
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  Speaker 1: my son was as I was to stay at home dad.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, my wife came home one day and
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  Speaker 1: she was like, listen, you know, like this is all
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  Speaker 1: great for you to be, you know, with your son,
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  Speaker 1: with your boy. Look, I love it. I love the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you are embracing fatherhood. But you know, she
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  Speaker 1: said like, hey, you know what, there's more to you
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  Speaker 1: than this. You know, there's there's more to you than this. Um,
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe reach out to your coaches, maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 1: ask around. Maybe maybe you can get into coaching. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's like your next deal. Um. So I reached out
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  Speaker 1: to Trestman and he was still with it with Montreal. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I said, listen, you know, based upon the skill set
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I've showed out in Canada. UM, do
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  Speaker 1: you know anybody in the industry, you have any friends,
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  Speaker 1: any connections something. I'm just looking for the next step here. Um.
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  Speaker 1: He said. I have a friend at NFL Film's name
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  Speaker 1: is Greg Cosell. He's the executive producer for ESPN NFL Matchup. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I can't promise you anything. I talked to him. Go
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  Speaker 1: over there to Mount Laurel, NFL Films headquarters and you know,
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation, be yourself. Probably shaved the Afro Kimbo
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  Speaker 1: slice thing before you do that? That would that would
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  Speaker 1: be good? Um? I was like sure. Um. I ended
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  Speaker 1: up showing up an NFL film suited and booted as
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  Speaker 1: in the lower level atrium, um and waiting for care
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  Speaker 1: then and Jaluci now Rodgers, who is kind of like
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  Speaker 1: the production coordinator here in the NFL film on the
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  Speaker 1: end the producers department. She was upstairs. First person I
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  Speaker 1: meet with Steve Sable. He comes to the double doors
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  Speaker 1: to the lower level cafe and he's like, hey, are
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  Speaker 1: you waiting for someone? I was like, yeah, I'm here
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  Speaker 1: to meet with Greg Cosell. He's like, we'll get up
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  Speaker 1: there sooner or later, but let me take you on
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  Speaker 1: a tour. But I'm like, but Kara's coming to take me,
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  Speaker 1: but don't worry about it, so Joe, she'll catch up.
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  Speaker 1: Though I did that, you can't even like whatever you
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  Speaker 1: wants me to do, I'm about to do. So. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he took me everywhere. He told me about all the
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  Speaker 1: art work that he himself created that's littered all over
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  Speaker 1: the walls here in the NFL films. It's it's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Um took them to the studio, my audio department. Um,
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  Speaker 1: they have like their own like they have an orchestra here,
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  Speaker 1: their own orchestra here. It's crazy, um feel like background
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  Speaker 1: music like all that. Oh yeah, they create their compose
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  Speaker 1: their own music here. Um. So took me on a
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  Speaker 1: full fledged tour of NFL Films facilities outside inside the
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  Speaker 1: whole nine. I end up in the office with Greg
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  Speaker 1: co Cell and he's literally just picking my brain on tape.
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  Speaker 1: All twenty two tape. That's all this man does all day,
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  Speaker 1: every day, five in the morning to seven eight at
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  Speaker 1: pm and night he is all twenty two tricked out.
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  Speaker 1: That's just still um picks my brain about football knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: you know, defensive line knowledge. Up. I met um Pat
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  Speaker 1: kellerher and Ross Ketever here they are the two, the
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  Speaker 1: two and headed dragon here at the NFL Films now
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  Speaker 1: the new Steve and then Sable um if you will,
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  Speaker 1: since they're passing um. And it was just natural, man.
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  Speaker 1: It was almost like I found, you know, I just
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  Speaker 1: I found my new team. And you guys know how
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  Speaker 1: it is, once you're done playing ball, you just you
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  Speaker 1: just searching for the next that next locker room experience
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  Speaker 1: to kind of like you know, grandfather's you in. So
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: when you said he was picking your brain about tape, like,
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  Speaker 1: what does what does that even mean? Like? I get
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  Speaker 1: picking a brain about football, Like what does d line do?
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  Speaker 1: What was a quarterback? Due? I get that, But how
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  Speaker 1: do you pick someone's brain about like tape? What does
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  Speaker 1: that even Literally literally feet kicked up on the desk,
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  Speaker 1: big monitor on his wall, all to all twenty two rolling.
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  Speaker 1: Hey tell me about this, uh this smash concept over here.
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  Speaker 1: Hey tell me about you know, covering three boundary lock
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  Speaker 1: that's going on down here here? Tell me about you know,
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  Speaker 1: the inside blitz. And I'm sitting me. Were looking at
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  Speaker 1: this man like, No, who knows ball? He's just in
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  Speaker 1: the office, Like he's like he knows ball. He's just
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  Speaker 1: in the crazy thing. He's like he never played football,
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  Speaker 1: but he's just like a student of the game. It's
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  Speaker 1: like an intellectual exercise for this man. Like every the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he had, you know, he had a wealth
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  Speaker 1: of football knowledge and he was speaking my language. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciated that, and I kind of feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think I can do this. This is this is
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  Speaker 1: where I need to be. So earned met. No, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't hire me on hire me on the spot. Like,
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  Speaker 1: they waited about a week or so and then they
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  Speaker 1: called me in to get an internship opportunity. So that
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  Speaker 1: first year, came in learned behind a guy by the
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  Speaker 1: name of Nick Kehoe who was the graphic producer for
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  Speaker 1: an NFL matchup. UM picked his brain every single day
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  Speaker 1: until the following season when they hired me on as
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  Speaker 1: a seasonal and I took over the range for him
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  Speaker 1: and match up for like three years before they made
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  Speaker 1: me full time. Got you? So when you finally got
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  Speaker 1: the job, though, how was it going from professional athlete
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  Speaker 1: to an unpaid intern? How was it? How was that transition? Oh? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, well, not making no money is not really fun.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's it's it's uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's the learning experience. You know. I kind of think,
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  Speaker 1: I just you gotta put in its sweat equity, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, You gotta put it, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: put it, put it in terms like that. So I
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  Speaker 1: was learning UM and while I was in here was
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  Speaker 1: just it was just a matter of the curiosity, just
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  Speaker 1: like all twenty two was an intellectual exercise for Greg.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like you know, when you're a player, and
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  Speaker 1: you go to a new team, you gotta you gotta
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  Speaker 1: learn the roads, you gotta learn the plays, you gotta
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: learn the ins and out to the of the defense
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  Speaker 1: so that you can find where it is your best
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  Speaker 1: suited and how it is you can you know, activate forwards.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, for me, I was like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: know what you know, I'm a computer science you know,
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  Speaker 1: software programming engineering guy, and let me go talk to
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  Speaker 1: people I know that speak my same language in this world.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go to the engineering side talk to them.
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  Speaker 1: They showed me how things the back end and the
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  Speaker 1: front end works with with with within the realm of
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: TAKEE masters and lto and like how the offline side
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  Speaker 1: of the building communicates with the on side online side
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  Speaker 1: of the building, which none of the producers really know
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  Speaker 1: that more do their care um. But to me, that's
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  Speaker 1: where I kind of found my niche and um and
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  Speaker 1: also too, it goes a long way treating people how
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  Speaker 1: you how they deserve to be treated, from low level
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  Speaker 1: groundskeeper to VP of the organization. I just kind of
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  Speaker 1: kept that mindset as well. And there is nothing that
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't ask anyone. I could I go into anyone's room, office, meeting,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they would just welcoming
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  Speaker 1: U and and and and and willing to to to
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  Speaker 1: give me as much knowledgeist you know, I crave, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, I use that, applied that and you know,
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  Speaker 1: three Emmys and a couple promotions later here I am
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  Speaker 1: em Yeah, I got a few of them. So it
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  Speaker 1: really is a team game though, right, like taking the
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  Speaker 1: team from playing football, you know, the D line defense
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you transition at kind of in
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  Speaker 1: this new professional this new transition um and and broadcasting
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  Speaker 1: right or excuse me, production. I've gone to a couple
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: of broadcast boot camps and I don't really talk about
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  Speaker 1: like the on camera you know thing for talent. I'm
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: always there to just let people know and let players know, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: there's another side of this thing that where where you
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  Speaker 1: can really add in and in amazing ways, which is
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  Speaker 1: the back end being an editor, being a graphics producer,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, being a director, that like there's there's
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  Speaker 1: there's so much application based upon our careers that we
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  Speaker 1: can add into that that's so different than just the
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  Speaker 1: normal producer who's lean has always been filming the whole lot,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: you know, but at the end of the day though,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: and we talked about that last night though about just
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: you know, some for the kids who never make it
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: to the NFL and they think their life is always like, oh,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't make it to the league, but you can
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: still do or have a job around football that keeps
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: you connected to the game. Absolute producer, a scout, a coach,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: a director like you said, So, yeah, I think that's um,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: it's just way more. There's so many more ways to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: be a part of the game without actually being on
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: the field, tackling and playing the game. And I don't
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: think as young people, especially as African Americans, like we
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: only see the only way to get there. We gotta
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: be the guy. We got to be the man. We
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: don't actually talking encourage enough of our young our young
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: people in this world, especially in America, that I mean,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: you can still do other things than of yourself, whether
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: it's being a cameraman, working the chains, being in upstairs,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: involved with different organizations. I think that's so cool and
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: so true. I don't think we talk enough about that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's my question for you, DC. Yeah, my
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: question for you, DC is like, and we all struggle
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: with this, how do you change that perception of everybody
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: else that I'm more than just the athlete or I'm
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: just an athlete in this space. I think the way
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the way that's worked for me has been basically sticking
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to my truth, which is, you know, embracing the fact
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: that I'm an athlete and that I am set apart
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: in that way. You know, my eyes over the course
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: of my career have been my lens if we if
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: we talk about production, you know what I mean. But
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of stories. I have, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a knowledge base and the skill set that's that's applicable
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: in this field in a much different way than someone again,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like we said before, who's never played the game and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: who's only been about film and understanding the nuance they're in. So,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: you know, for the pe Nut Tillmans, for the Roman
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Harpers of the world, you guys are so unique because
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you guys have seen the game and game in such
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a way that no producer on this side of the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: fence has ever seen it like you. You you have
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: been using your lenses and capturing footage. You know what
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You're what your what your writtiness for years, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: at a high level, bringing that to this side, like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: people minds will be blown like you have no idea,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's how how it worked for me,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: and I think for for any you know, player that
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: is done with the game to to to understand and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: know that you know, hey, it's not over. You can
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: just take everything that you have experienced, hands on experience
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: handing the dirt or you know, backpedaling into the backfield
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and bringing that to this side of the fence. So
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I'm jealous that you got emmies. You got three emmies.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I want to emmy listen. I promise you you keep
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: doing this, man, You're gonna be you can be just
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: like Dave Bennins and you too. So you got you
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: got three of them, don't you. M Yes? So what
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: are your Emmy's in US best sports serialized documentaries? Two
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of them for Hard Knocks, one for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: one for the Houston Texans UM and then our NFL
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: hundred UM production. I think, well, during that season a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: few few years ago, like myself however, really produced there
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: are we have something like twenty some odd thirty producers
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: in the house to cut that basically taking like seven
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: eight hundred hours of footage and dueling it down to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the best hour of television. Each training a camp for
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: whatever hard knocks, you know, team, we're focusing on what
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it is seven Yeah, what do you say? That's how much? Yeah?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: We're basically like when when everybody's at home and that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night and they were watching that Best one hour. Yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: on Monday it started out, it's like seven hundred and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: fifty hours of footage, but do you have to watch?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So y'all divide it all up, like if you it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: twenty of us, we got seven hundred hours of film.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: How much film do I get? How much film do
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you get? How much film does wrong get? So? I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: mean so it's it's it's it's not even it's like
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: all hands on deck, you know. And you also think
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you got your your twenty head producers, you know or
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: twenty harman is you have your twenty head producers. When
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you have assistance production assistance, they're all helping the law
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: footage of one you know what it is that you're
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: looking at, right, and then you get those subclips and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you can put that into the best one hour story
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: starting from that seven fifty and that happens seven days
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: a week for seven straight weeks. So like this it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: almost like a training camp experience here on the editor
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: on the production side, just to get to the best
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: one hour for you know, public consumption at home. And
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: it's all about are you guys trying to tell a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: specific story or do you kind of just like, well,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: wherever this journey kind of takes is we just know that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. It's like you glory ever changed
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: from week one to week two in the training camp,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: were like, dude, we didn't even know we had this.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Now we got to really give more of this. Well,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's just like this this past you
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: know someone we did with, you know, Detroit Lions. So
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: like my first few weeks, i had Dan Campbell, Aaron Glenn,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Brad Holmes. Right, those are those are my characters, right,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So hey, DC, you're a sign of these guys cover
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: whatever it is that you think is best. Now. We
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: have production meetings every day, like and we talk about notes.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: We talked about different things that we everyone saw and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, cool, let me write this down
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that was on this tape. Oh this this assistant saw this,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: um while I was loving and saw this, and then
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you put your best stories together for those characters and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it's all comprised into that best hour, you know, for
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: for Joe fan at home with the best case scenario
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of just showcasing coaches. Dan Campbell has a huge personality.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Not former teammate in New Worth and he was awesome
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and he coached there. He was the last couple of
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: years before he got this Detroit job. Age was a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: former teammate of mine. He has a great personality. To
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: hear him and do Staley going back and forth, I'm like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they're gonna each one of these guys gonna get a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: new coaching job off this hard Knocks. It was like
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the best job interview that you could ever do. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I was so appreciative of it because everybody has this
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: negative opinion about Detroit, and after you watched two episodes,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you're like, man, I love this coaching staff. Oh yeah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: unique case of all these former players that are now
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: on the staff. I thought it was amazing that you
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: guys are able to pull this off, and the way
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you showcased it and packaged it was beautifully dub. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: gotta ask you a question. Room is Dan Campbell really
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: liked that in like in real life because he really
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: liked that. Like, I just gotta ask you because that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: man was first on who swore was a man connected
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this one No just one piece, you know, like why
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: why bro it is so number one? He kind of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is like that man. He's kind of a meathead that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: has learned to be able to manage a game. When
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: he got the interim job in Miami, did a great
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: job of really turning them around. Then he came back
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to us and continue to coach and and I think
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: because he's been around so many great coaches in his
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: past that he has learned what it takes on that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: side of it. But he deep doubt he is a meathead.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Like and I don't think that, lady. I think everybody
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: just and it respects and he's just like I mean,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: he's kind of gonna just be this meat head of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a head coach. And he's willing to lift weights or
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like he says, bite ankles or whatever else. I think
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: he really truly believes those things when he says that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's like just saying it to get attention. Now.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's who he is here in the division.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see him win, but after watching
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, I will say I will probably admit this.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I want to see him do well. The heartbreak on
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: some of these guys is awful. Um, it's really really tough, man.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And that maybe so you can talk about DC is
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: uh maybe some of the benefits of positives from young journey.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: You know, it's gone from team to team, from league
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the league. What is that Has it had had any
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: kind of impact in your current journey now that you're
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I think even when I even when I take like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: NFL films into you know, um, when when I put
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it into put it into perspective, Um, there's highs and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: lows and everything fellas I mean, you know that, Um,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to me being a journeyman just
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, living out of a bag for
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the majority of my career. Um. You know, after you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: get let go a couple of times, um, and I'm
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm a faith based man. It's it got to the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: point where I was like, you know what, whoever guy
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: wants me, that's what I'm gonna be. And when I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: settle in and I find you know that that team
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: that like you know, I'm I'm there for the long haul.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You know the door won't be you know, shutting my face,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: or I won't be closed. You know I'll be there
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: forever and always so the check. We gonna take a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: little break right now when we come back. We got
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: some quick hitter questions for him, all right, if we
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: want to welcome you guys back me my co host,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: pe Nut Tilman or some people call him Charles, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know many people that call him that. Pet
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Tilman on the other side, and our guests for the day,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Darryl Campbell ak a d C DC man. We got
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: some quick hitters for you. Are you ready? I am
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: all right? All right. Number one, I want to know
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: your favorite moment of your playing career. Favorite moment two
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: thousand and four, two thousand and five. Minimally, I'm in
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the middle of a game. I can't recall who we're playing,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: but I got Lands Brig, I got Hunter hilen Meyer,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and I got Brian Urlacker behind me, and I totally
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: totally forget to play. Totally brain gone out the window
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: looking back. All I know is black come up to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: me and say, listen, big dog, don't boy. I'll make
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you right. Shit, that's it. Favorite player ever. True leadership,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: truly true leadership. The boy said, I forgot to play.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Look back like, hey, what's the play. Don't worry about
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a dog I got you. Just do what you want.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's confidence. I got it. So if you
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: weren't a producer, here's here's mine. If you weren't a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: producing what other career or professional would you be doing
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: right now? I would be an it professional. Um. I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: would have a small cubicle almost Prairie dog style, popping
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: up from it, and I would probably be doing either
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: building laptops or doing some type of NSA or STP
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: building apps. That would probably be the career that I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: would choose. Who's on your personal Mount Rushmore? People who
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: have helped you be successful in life as it as
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a whole. Uh you get for remember because we don't
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: all know how many people. He might not know how
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: many mount rushmore. So so I'm showing you four. So uh,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I start off with my mom. H she would she
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: would be the number one. Um, because I watched that
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: woman you know, uh work her tail off when my
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: dad left when I was three to provide you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: rough and over my head and and make sure I
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: went to college. And you know, she was the one
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: that put in like two hundred light bulbs so I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: didn't fall asleep after football practice and not want to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: do my homework. You know what I mean? She was
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: always there. Some mom's number one, Uh my number two,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I would say, Um, honestly, I say my number two
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: would would be a compendium of all of the players
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I had a chance to to to play with. Uh.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: The Tommy Harris is in Chicago, you know who you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: just watching him body control, just kind of just just
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: an absolute beast. Um. Tank Johnson's you, peanut. You know
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: how hard you work every People don't realize how you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I can't curse on this podcast, how f and hard
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you worked your whole career. Man, It's it's it's real.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I've said this before another meetings we've been on two
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Like I look up to you man. Um. You know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: um the Orphans Roys of the world, Um, the Chris Hovans, um,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the Kevin Carter's everybody, every great player that poured into
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: me along my journey to just you know, do the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: very best I possibly can. Um. So that might be several,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: but I'll just package them into one um Um. I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: think my third would be, you know, being able to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: come here and applying knowledge learned from guys like you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Grego Sell. Um. I'd say Grego sell was a was
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: a really big help. Because it's one thing to be
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a player, like a defensive lineman. You know, understanding the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: full breadth of work as it as it pertains to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: put my hand in the dirt is one thing. But
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you know, if if if I'm honest, his knowledge base
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: was about the game and its entirety. You know what
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to ask me like like
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: what was a smash concept or you know, fire x
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: blitz and what how how linebackers that I would have
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: no idea. I just know that right here I got
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: to I got this be yeap, I gotta jet it
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and I gotta make some plays, you know what I'm saying.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: You know, if you if we're talking like boundary, cover three,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: lock or cover three in general and all the like,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you know, quarters, coverage, quarter, quarter, half, all that type
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of stuff, I ain't had no that wasn't in my playbook,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: No no way, but to actually learn about the nuance
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of the game and its entirety offense and defense and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: learning from somebody like that. It actually gives me a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: newfound appreciation all the guys I used to play with
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: two Like the stuff that y'all had to do in
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the back. That's crazy, it's just ridiculous. Just I don't
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: even know hype. But that's why y'all do what y'all doing.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Y'all as great as y'all are. Um, And then I'd say, um,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you know, not that this should be last, but you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: being a faith based man, it's always first. But it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: one of them, you know, just my faith and God
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and just trusting, you know, the process, embracing you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: every up and not so up because all of those,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: all of the adversity face lead led me to this
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: podcast and to you guys. So I think God has
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: really been a blessing over the course of my life
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and my career most definitely. Amen. Amen, all right. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: think we all we all said a mom. Mom was
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: in mind. Mom was a humorist. I think John Running
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: he said his mom was at his UM, I got
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: one for you, filling the blank. My life right now
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: is a blessing. It's a blessing. Um. I say that
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: because you know there's a there's a point in i'd
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: say two thousand and fifteen, two and sixteen where um,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and again it might be a little bit personal too
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: much for this, I don't know, but um I had to.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I had a perianal abscess in my heart stopped a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: couple of times. Um. You never know why things happen,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you one thing that like when
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you're in the hospital table, when you got doctors surrounding,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you're saying, hey, listen, you know, um, you might want
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to talk to your son and your wife because you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: if this this procedure doesn't go well, and say you
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: get buy a type deal. Um, and to still be
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: here and to again, like I say, be talking to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you guys. Um, you know, life is a blessing. Man.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna write, I'm gonna right side of
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the ground every day and I don't take anything for granted.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Right Glad you're here. That's d that's great man. That
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: whenever you get to talk to people that actually appreciate
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the space to their end every day, you know that
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: really goes a long way and really pouring into others.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And you know we can pick up so much just
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: by speaking to you, just by engaging with you. Somebody
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that's thankful, appreciative of just being where they are, their
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: feet where they are, and actually having the opportunities right
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in front of them. Man, that really goes a long way.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: So I appreciate you joining us and you know, really
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: just blessing us with your presence and your experience, your
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: life journeys all those other things. Man. Really cool. Also
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: giving all the dbs some love too, because me and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Peanut got know. The further you are away from the ball,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: where you gotta be. I don't think people that you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: gotta be able to figure stuff out and connect the dots,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: because when you're close to the ball, you don't have
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to know everything. Like you said, dude, I've just got
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: this gap, but I'm good way from the ball. You
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: gotta know everything got It's a lot of things you
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: gotta be able to figure out. Trying to tell you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you guys are the smartest like safeties, corners, Man, you're
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the smartest dudes on the field. Man, I think safes
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: are the smartest ones on the field. In my opinion,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I would I would say safeties. I think safeties are
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the smartest players on the field. I think corners are
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the most athletic players on the field. Yeah, I get that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I would definitely that Peanuts one of the smartest corners
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I ever knew because he actually wanted to know what
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: other people wanted to do in the defense. Most corners
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