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Grounded Show Ep. 60 - The Real Lasts Part 1 · The Grounded Show

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Yo yo yo yo yo. Was good. We are back. You already
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know what's going on. It's the Grounded Show. I got my dog,
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Leicester Sanchez and Josito man sixty me on sixty. Wow, yeah, man,
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it's it's it's been a it's been a crazy, crazy week. Man.
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I feel like for everybody kind of just got a lot going on.
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Man. Um, you know, unexpectedly I had my sister, nieces and
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nephews kind of come to the house. They're going through a transitionary period right
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now. And honestly, even just being in the situation to be able to,
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um have the space so open my place up, you know, that's
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a blessing within itself, you know. So I definitely am thankful for that,
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you know what I mean, because it wasn't always this way, like
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yeah, and how perfect it is with all that space facts family like that
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facts man facts. Um. Yeah. So it's like, you know,
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that a good, good feeling to be able to do that. And with
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that being said, obviously with the pros, there's the cons. And I
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wouldn't say it's a con, it's more so just something I'm not used to.
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I'm not used to having, you know, kids in the house and
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as much as you know in future I would hope to have kids one day,
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I'm just still nowhere near ready or used to it. It's something that
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you'll never be ready or used to until you're in that situation and you know,
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it's has been a transition, you know. So, Um, basically
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that's kind of been my week, man, you know, my week,
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my fiance's week. We're just trying to figure that out and make sure everybody's
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comfortable, but also making sure that we're comfortable, you know. So that's
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definitely been a adjustment. But you know again, you you kind of let's
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ask with everything that we go through, do you feel it's something that you
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felt you were naturally easy to transition to, Like, oh, this is
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this is something like I can handle it. Oh yeah, brou oh yeah,
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and it's dope. Not just me, my fiance too, which is
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a beautiful thing to see. Like I see her parenting skills, you know
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what I'm saying. I see like, um, what do you call it?
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Like just the way she interacts with the kids and how you know,
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her experience is being a dance teacher to children, you know what I'm saying,
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and being able to take you know, what she's learning in that experience
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and apply it to like just her parenting style. Super dope, super super
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dope. I feel like we both were, um, you know, we
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both were not really prepared because, like I said, I don't think you
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ever can be prepared for it. But I feel like we both just have
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like the personalities and um, the you know, the wherewithoughts to just be
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able to transition into that and be comfortable. You know. I think for
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us it's just more so you know, again, when you don't have kids,
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you know, you just not used to having kids. You know,
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you're not used to hearing them all day, You're not used to all of
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that that comes with this. So it's like, um, you know,
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that's kind of just been a big transition for us. You know. And
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then we're also kind of neat freaks too, so it's like, you know,
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have to like constantly pick behind pick up behind them. You know what
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I'm saying. It's like, obviously they're kids, so I'm not expecting them
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as young kids to be like, oh d l D cleaning up. But
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at the same time, you know what I'm saying, that's also like the
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parenting style all of that comes into play, you know, so it's super
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dope to see that. Um yeah, man, it's actually it's funny because
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it had opposite effects on both of us. Like for her, you know,
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hey, she need a little bit more time. For me, I
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was like, hey man, whenever we're ready, you know what I'm saying.
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So yeah, overall it's been cool. Man. It's just like I
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said that transition and that's okay. Can you hear me normal? I think
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I hear you pretty pretty well. Yeah, okay, you know that's always
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saying real quick, just sound thing. I would say, less you sell
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a lot lower than me, and Quincy does too. How do you hear
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less a Quincy? Yo? Yo yo yo? Better? Better? Yeah?
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I hear you good? Yeah better. Yeah, you're sounding a little
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low to me, Joe. I'm gonna just turn my music down so I
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can hear both. Y'all good, and then we'll just figure it out later.
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But um, I definitely fear where you're coming from, Quincy, because
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my wife is like super neat freak too, bro, and she just my
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kids are like me, Bro, They're just there's their rooms are crazy,
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like they're just like I was the same way when I was a kid,
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and I'm still kind of that way like now, bro, and she just
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it drives her crazy having three of us in the house, you know what
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I mean. But yeah, and that's what I wanted to know, you
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know, coming from me being the only pretty much the only one out of
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our group, out of both our main groups without kids. It's dope when
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you do have kids around, like when my niece was here for those ten
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days, you know, and it was dope. And I prepared as much
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as I can, Like that is my the closest thing I have for a
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kid. Like I treat her like she's my daughter. She's my god daughter,
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and I treat her like she's my daughter. And she respects me like
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if I was her dad. Yeah. Yeah, And that's why we have
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such a good relationship. And that's why I know, like at any time
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anything happens, I got to take care of kids. I can take care
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of kids. I got to Yeah. Yeah. I feel that it's not
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having them around for so long and then having them around, especially having around
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permanently. It's a it's a self transition, not only the environment transition and
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what you got to do, but mentally you have to wake up every morning
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and no longer think of yourself first. You know facts. But I will
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say, man, having them around, it's been dope, you know what
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I'm saying. It's the way like seeing the way kids think, you know,
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and when you're not used to it or when you haven't seen it for
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a long time, like's it's super dope, you know what I'm saying.
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It's it's It's kind of funny, bro Like, I randomly just be hearing
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my music playing, like video. They watch my videos way more than I
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thought, But I did not know how often they watch my music videos.
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Bro. Like, I'll just be walking in and they're playing my music all
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the time. We're just super dope. But yeah, man, it's it's
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cool. Yeah I feel that. Um it's funny man because whenever I'm in
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the car with my kids and one of my songs comes on, like in
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my iTunes a library or whatever, I'll skip it, you know, because
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I just I want to hear it, you know what I mean, right,
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And um, you know, because we hear it so much like getting
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creating, I mean in the beginning of the release that like it takes you
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a while to even just come back to it. Sometimes you always get like
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mad at me. You know, they're like like, oh now, I
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just get bad that he never wants to hear his own songs. That's funny,
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man. Shoot. But speaking of you know, just experiences and you
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know all that kind of stuff, man, Joe, you know you had
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a whole experience. I guess what was it this week? Last week?
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When when was that? Yeah? So this is something right, So there's
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something. It's a topic I think we need to get into. Um.
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I heard a lot of stuff out David car Yo. You know, I
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bad dog. You sound so low compared to Quincy Bro. Like Quincy is
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like sounding like real sexually confident, and like when you come in, you
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sound like an insecure mouse Bro the same thing with you, exactly the same
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level with you, damn. Yeah. And I'm just I'm just dealing with
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it. I'm not turning you up. I mean, that's what I mean.
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I hear the exact same thing with you. Damn. That's so weird,
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man, But you know what, it kind of ties into everything we've
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kind of been talking about and stuff like because we're just gonna prevails, turn
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off my music so I can hear you and I don't have to keep fighting
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with it. They made an update in here, so I think we all
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got what about now, how does this sound any different? So yeah,
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Quincy is still sounding loud of you, but it's cool. No, don't
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do that. Do that, and that's what I mean. Let's that it's
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the same thing, Quincy. I think Quincy is just in a better connection
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than that's right now with a pleasant surprise. Yeah, yeah, you sound
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like maybe you're clad. Hey, maybe you try to turn your mic down
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a little, Quincy, because now that I think about it, now that
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Joe mentions it, you do sound like you're coming in hot damn, but
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you hear all the noises outside. I think it's a different mic picking it
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up. It's crazy. I don't know. Oh yeah, I get what
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you're saying. Yeah, Quincy, just tap your desks. How about this?
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It sounds better. You could come come away from it a little bit.
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That's a little better, right there, Still a little lot you could
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turn it down a little bit. Hey man, this is episode sixty and
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this is the first time you're hearing us have this kind of issue. So
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I think that's a pretty pretty this this software though, because there's hell a
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new options here that weren't here before. Yeah, check is that better?
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You're coming in miraculous, let's get it any louder. I'm a break but
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yeah, man, um, like I was saying, man, we we've
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been all having I mean we had this recently too on the podcast. I
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feel like, um, maybe like six months ago if that where we were
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all kind of in that like funky little gray area period um. And I
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know for me specifically, it's been kind of uh like like different this time
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around. But to bring you up behind the current a little bit, last
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week we recorded on a different day. The schedule has been a little wacky,
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but it was because Joe wanted an opportunity and he's about to let y'all
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know exactly what the opportunity was. Coming in right, I'm coming in right
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here? Yeah, all right, David Copperfield, right we I I have
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been a fan of David Copperfield as a kid. I used to While I'm
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a big magic fan, I'm a fan of believing in the illusion. You
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know, there's people you show a magic too, they don't want to believe
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it. But I'm a fan of believing in it and letting the magic happen.
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So so you're the type of person that you would go if you went
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to a wrestling show. You're not gonna be like, oh my god,
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this is yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah. You're just gonna accept the art
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form that's in front of you and just try to enjoy it the most of
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you can take it for what it is. That's a great consumer, right
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there. Great being a huge fan growing up and accepting the magic. And
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you know, especially David Copperfield, I used to hear things like his magic
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is so good. People think he sold his soul to the devil. That's
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how good it is. Like there has to be something crazy behind it,
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right, And he still has a show here, he's still a resident here
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and the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. But now that I've been here a
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few years, aside from fights and award shows, MGM ain't all that.
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It's a staple for the name, but it ain't all that. And where
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he was performing it ain't all that. So I'm like, okay, but
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you know, we got the show. We're like, let's go, let
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let's go see it. We've been here three years, we haven't seen it.
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We talked about seeing us go see it, and I'm like if he's
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still that big and he's still that good, why is he in that venue?
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But I was like, all right, let's go. So we get
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there, the show starts. There's black boxes in front of us where we
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put our phones because we can't have our phones out. The whole show about
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an hour away hour anticipation, and it's just like, honestly, is the
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size of a movie theater. That is the auditorium that he performed in.
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And and then the show started, and first of all, he looks like
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he has like like a um, a bulletproof vest, like those vests that
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they put on when you're gonna like fly through the rafters and shit, you
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know. So it's like, why does he look like that? All right,
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fuck it? Still watching And then bro, just like the rest of
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the show became predictable. The boy, I I don't want to figure it
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out, but I can obviously see what you're doing. Then he had like
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fake actors in the audience. So to me, he's no longer a magician
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trying to provide an illusion. He's put it on a show and the show
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is the theme of magic, and I think that took away from who he
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was. And then to wrap it all up, Bro had more like a
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more like a theme park kind of vibe, like like a theme parks,
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not even done like that. And this next part of answer it, the
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way he wraps it all up is aliens and dinosaurs and there's a little fake
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green alien that looks like baby Yoda who came to give him a man message
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from his dad, and Bro it turned into a movie or like a ride,
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like you're going through a ride, Bro, not a magic show.
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Adam. So I read about this and I'd got their views and I'm like,
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so why, like why is he still doing this? Like why is
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he still going? And obviously people are buying it, but like I said,
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there's a lot of free tickets. There's a lot of free tickets you
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can get to Davidcabo. It's one of the main shows you can get free
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tickets too, and there's not many shows. But he's still doing it.
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And so I'm like, and look, you look at athletes, you look
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at artists, magicians, anything. It's like probably the money, yeah,
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but outside something And then this kind of motivation talk we talked with less,
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like what is really pushing you to still do it? That's gonna really like
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because he's giving it all. I mean, he's throwing it all out there,
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like giving it everything, like if it was his first day on the
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job, and it can't be just the money. And that's what I'm like,
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brou to me as a fan of him, as from you too.
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Now I'm one of the Nah, I'm probably never going to see this guy's
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show again, And personally, I think he needs to hang it up.
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What I'm wondering is like, I know, I'm not the only fields that
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way. So either he's ignoring those people, he doesn't know all those people.
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It's just like to me, it's like, what is keeping this guy
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doing this right now? Like to me, he's not contributing to the legacy
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that JAF David Copperfield originally was. Man, go ahead. I was gonna
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say maybe, and I mean I'm just speculating at this point, but maybe
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he doesn't and maybe he no longer cares about legacy. Maybe he's like he
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just wants to check, you know what I'm saying, Like, Um,
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I mean that's just a speculation, you know. No, that's one of
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the things I think about too. Maybe he's just like fuck it, Well,
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that dude's done. I'll do whatever they want. I do whatever's in
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the cell the day to get the check. And it kind of even goes
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to where you were saying at the beginning about it, Joe, where you
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were like, dang, like you you're looking at the venue, you're looking
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at the style of show and everything. You're you're noticing like a visible fall
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off. And you know, a lot of times with people like that,
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not saying for him, because I don't know anything about a story, but
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a lot of times you start so high or when you get to that moment
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of highness, you think that that's not going away, you know what i
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mean, and you live like, oh man, this is this is what
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I'm going to be on forever. And then when you realize now that's not
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where I'm gonna be on forever, this thing drives up. It goes to
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what Quincy said at that point, it's like, okay, now you just
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you know, now you just need to pay bills, you know what I
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mean. You can't you can't worry about the legacy when when you ain't even
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really build it, you know what I'm saying, Because it's like what you're
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like, And it kind of goes back to like a lot. Thing that
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has come up a lot when we talk about stuff is like the budget thing,
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you know what I'm saying. It's like, I feel like that kind
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of thing that he does. Obviously to pull off bigger illusions, you need
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more money, and it's like, how much of a return are you gonna
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get on spending X amount of dollars making it look like you jumped off a
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building and landed on your feet, Like how much are you gonna make versus
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how much you're gonna spend to pull that off? You know what I mean?
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And it's like when you have that, and it's funny because it kind
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of ties into for example, Travis Scott, he's dropping that Utopia album tonight.
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You know, by time people hear this, it'll already be out.
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But it's like he's dropping his new album tonight, and it's an album that
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has been so highly anticipated because of how high that he went, but after
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he had that issue with the concert and he kind of just buzz went down.
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Me being a Travis Scott fan, I didn't even know the album was
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dropping tomorrow until my brother told me today. Like you know what I'm saying,
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and I'm and I consider myself a big Travis Scott fan as far as
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like I listened to his discography regularly. You know what I'm saying, I
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got something so good point. That's a great point because the only thing I
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know about him, and like you said, reaching the level where he had
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the top that I did, the only thing I didn't know about him that
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it got canceled. But he was planning a show at the Pyramid of Giza
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for that album. It was in the works. Yeah, they had was
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booked and then he got unapproved or something, and then they ended up having
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to move it to another venue. But yeah, bro that he was chasing
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ship yep. And that's and that happens a lot too, and like and
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I feel like that's like even like that DJ Callett syndrome, like where we're
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now like a lot of his music. I feel like it's a parody of
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his music, if it makes sense, because it's like he went for this
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thing of like how can I put it? Like when for example, like
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when we first was listening to college, he was putting together rap records,
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you know what I mean, Like straight rap records. Like it was like
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when he started really catching on, it was like he was like bro,
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I'm gonna put BDCG and Jada Kiss on a record together, which for like
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the world that he was in, that was like one of the craziest records
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he could have put together, you know what I'm saying, Because they had
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a beef. It was like a crazy, like fake little street beef.
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Everybody was like, oh my gosh, you got them together on a song
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and they both were spitting, you know what I'm saying. Like he went
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from that to like, oh, then I'm gonna get Justin Bieber on a
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rap record and make it hot, you know what I'm saying. And then
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it's like you're chasing like these big records, big records, so you get
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to a point where you're just slapping together a whole bunch of artists that are
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trendy, and you know, get a you know, a familiar sound like
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you know, it becomes a formula, and then you know, we might
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even see that, you know, I hope it doesn't happen. I hope
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he keeps going up, but we might even see the same David Copperfield effect
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happened to DJ Colleague, where once he's once that fall starts coming. You
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see what he's doing and you're like, yeah, exactly, and then you're
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like, ah, it's not hitting the same and it's because, yeah,
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because this is a formulaic thing that wasn't bag East and anything sustainable. It
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was least on the fact that you had the budgets to do it. Yeah,
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And in the wild effect goes away because I remember, like you said,
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he got them together, he got bibrunn thing. I remember when he
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got um Hove in Future and Beyonce together, and then he got hovid Nods
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together. So when he brought Hove Wayne and Rick Ross, Hove had to
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drop a ten minute verse for it to be any different from any of the
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whole college ship we've ever heard and co has been who has been active,
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and he's dropped other verses. So it's like, what whole were we gonna
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hear now that we haven't already heard on a college track on this and then
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he has to drive for that, he has to bring out a ten minute
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verses. It's like and that goes exactly to what we're talking about where jay
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Z is not one of those that like jay Z's the type that if you
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see him in a small venue in the future one you're gonna know that it's
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not gon to be cheap. Two, you're gonna know that he's gonna do
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it in a way that it looks classy, free. He has the library
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that he could just stand up there with a mic and he'll captivate you,
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which is what he brought to that Calid record. It's like the Calid record,
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there was nothing special about it. The guys have been on songs before,
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you know, like this whole super collid thing that's kind of like dead
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already, Like people already are collaborate a lot, so it's not a thing
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anymore. But jay Z's you know, he approached the record in a way
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that was completely different and did something completely different and made that record the talking
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point of the year when it comes to hip hop. That wasn't Calid,
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you know what I'm saying that that wasn't you know, that wasn't the hype
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machine that made that. That was jay Z, you know. And that's
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kind of like tying into what we're talking about, is like you can you
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can be that. You know, you can find success and you can be
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that. You know, you know, when you're at your your height is
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is where you're creating the best. But it's like a lot of times,
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the best doesn't necessarily mean um, you know, the big budget doesn't doesn't
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have to be attached to the best, you know what I mean, attached
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to it, But it doesn't. It's not a requirement, you know what
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I'm saying. And that's kind of like something that we've even just been talking
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about lately, like as far as like creating and you know, us being
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uh because it's you know, we're all in like a little a space where
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like Quincy's trying to like hone in on his sound musically, Joe's trying to
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hone in on his vibe and his um skill with the DJing and and doing
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his sets, like executing him the way that he wants to execute him.
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And I'm like trying to figure out like how to get out of like I
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feel like I've been doing well with what I've been doing, but now I'm
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just like in a routine, like a run of it, and I'm trying
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to figure out how to break through that rut to like get to that next
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level with my stuff. And it's like all that, like all those things,
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none of us can throw money at either of those things and be like,
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oh if I had a budget of X, I can make it happen
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time. Yeah, if the money correlated to you dedicating more time to it,
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we're talking about something else. But as far as just money making the
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situation better, making all the projects that we're working on better, it's not
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gonna happen. It's like, you've got to figure out how to perform the
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best that you can. And shout out to my brother that he was talking
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to me about this just from operating the most authentic way that you can,
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you know what I mean. And that kind of when you were talking about
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David Copperfield with that, and again I'm not I don't know too much about
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him or Chris Angel, but it made me think of Chris Angel, just
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because I feel like I hear more of Chris Angel and I see him like,
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for example, he was on the the Mike Tyson podcast Mad Random.
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But one of the reasons why he was on there is because from from what
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you can kind of gather from Chris Angel and just hearing him on different platforms
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and stuff, is he was the type of dude that where he was just
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humble and connected all the time. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm
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saying. And That's why, like now at the point that he's at,
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maybe he's able to have like more fruitful ventures because he had a more real
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thing that he was operating from. You know what I mean, I feel
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like how David Blaine is too, and Dave Blaine is he still sticks straight
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to the magical, the illusion, and that's it. Nothink outside of that.
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He just wants to do that, And that's what I mean. Like,
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and we also talk about, you know, the money aspect of it,
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and even though we're not fucking millionaires, I can still say to this
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day, the money won't change me. The money won't make me do something
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that's going to tarnish what I built. The money gonna make me do something
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I don't want to do. And I'm confident in saying that. I know
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a lot of people say that I'm not doing that, but um, I
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think that's it's a difference. I think, you know, that way before
24:04
having the money change people, the person's already liked that way before they get
24:10
the money facts. It just amplifies it because even to like reiterate what you
24:14
were saying, Joe, like, and I've said it before on the show,
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I believe, like Bro like I've like I've been homeless, bro,
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you know what I'm saying. So like I literally like like I got a
24:22
different view on money because of that, just from the point of view,
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like I've seen how how much money is just like it's it's it's like a
24:30
fallacy, you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's it's just it's almost
24:34
like a like a fake. It's kind of like I always think about Kaiser
24:37
Soze when I think about money, because it's kind of like that that kind
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of idea where it's like a very complex illusion that everybody just kind of like
24:45
goes along with. Like that's kind of how I feel about it. And
24:48
it's just so crazy how you can manipulate from being let's say homeless or even
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not even that extreme, from just being low income to being a millionaire.
24:57
Like the fact that you can just come up with something to kind of manipulate
25:00
yourself to that stage, it kind of even tells you how pointless money really
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is, you know what I mean. That's why even goes back to the
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thing where like I always say, like keep recording when it comes to music,
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It's like, you know, if you buy me a better mic,
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my music is not gonna be better. It's just gonna sound better. But
25:21
if I keep recording on my crappy mic, when I get to the new
25:26
mic, my sound is already going to be dope. So me coming through
25:32
on those sounds, I'm just gonna sound that much better. Mike alone is
25:36
not going to take me to the next level. You know what I'm saying,
25:40
And that's exactly I feel about these mixes. Like I'm at the point
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where I'm doing it at a very low level, and I want to get
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the best I can personally at this level. So if I get the opportunity
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to take it to the next level, any format, in any way,
25:57
any meeting outlet, you're ready to go, I'll be ready by then.
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I tried to do that. Now I'm gonna sound like a dumbass to more
26:04
people than I want to hear me. I'll tell you one thing. I
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know this is kind of backtracking a little bit, but when you were describing
26:11
that David Copperfield show, it sounded like something I've seen years ago, And
26:15
if it is the same show, that's a long time to be doing that
26:19
same show you've seen him? Yeah, Well, I can't really remember because
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I feel like I was very young or like younger, and I feel like
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it was something that my mom like had tickets to or something like that,
26:32
and I just went. But when you described it, it sounded just like
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what I've seen. Yeah, like a blow up dinosaur blow It's funny because,
26:40
like you say, the budget right, so he has this big ass
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dinosaur come out, and then you see the lights are off and shit,
26:48
and it's like, come on, bro. Yeah. I got to the
26:51
point where I was just staring, like staring, and my wife was like,
26:55
you good. I'm like, yeah, I'm ready to go. Yeah.
26:59
I feel that that's low key, Like why this kind of random?
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But that's low key why I don't even like one of the movies, bro,
27:04
because it's like you're doing all this getting ready and you go and then
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it's like all of these movies just be so underwhelming to me. And it's
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like I'll be like in the first fifteen minutes, like, dang, I
27:15
gotta be here for another two hours, dog, Like I'm just I'm so
27:18
anty to leave. Bro. I personally love the movies. I can't agree
27:25
with you on that one, but I feel where you're coming from. That's
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just me I love the movies, man, I just hate it. If
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I have my own theater, bro, I would be in heaven, dog,
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like heaven. You know what's funny. I have a pretty like dope
27:37
sound system and I have like a home theater setup, and I like,
27:42
like with my fam, I love watching movies and stuff. But like,
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um, Joe's gonna laugh at me because he's been making fun of me for
27:48
it. But like, for example, bro, like I won't watch nothing
27:52
you dog. I just started like rewatching Larry Sanders Dog because that show is
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just like I just look and it goes back to what we were talking about
28:02
with the quality. Bro, Like the show you throw it on. And
28:04
if you're the type of person that like and I understand this, I'm not
28:08
I'm not judging you. If you're the type of person that can't get past
28:11
like something looking old, I'm not gonna be able to watch that show.
28:15
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, the camera's old, you know what
28:18
I'm saying. Like the way they shot it like it's it's definitely super outdated.
28:23
May they wrote it the way and the way they shot it um cinematically,
28:27
like from the point of view of like they shot it correctly. They
28:30
did everything the right way. It's a great show. It's like they used
28:33
that old mike exactly. But it's like you watch it, and I watched
28:40
the show and then I'm watching it back again and I'm like, damgn bro
28:42
like all of this Like obviously, like the references are outdated, but all
28:48
of the plots, the jokes, the ideas, the you know, all
28:52
of it, it still holds up. And even a lot of the stuff
28:56
they did it in the show was like so different and so you nique to
28:59
the show and like you even see like a lot of like origins where they
29:03
come from for like different shows and different just writing styles with like uh as
29:10
far as like comedy, even because Judd Apatow was one of the producers for
29:15
that show, like he was like a super fan of it and then he
29:18
ended up being like a producer on the show and he's to do that row
29:22
forty year old version like he ushered in that new era of comedy in the
29:26
two thousands, you know what I'm saying, and he kind of seeing like
29:30
he kind of got it starts there and like just how much comedy has come
29:33
from that show and going back to what we're talking about, bro, like
29:37
it still holds up like it's not that like I feel like, like rest
29:41
in peace to Gary Shanlin, but like I feel like if we was able
29:44
to see him now, like at a one man show where like like where
29:48
you're talking about Joe, like at a venue like that, like those comedians
29:52
and those types of dudes, like they it holds up like you could just
29:55
see them in that stripped raw form and come away like damn, bro,
29:59
like just hype. You know when you were talking about that show, Joe,
30:03
obviously I had a completely different experience, But the whole time you were
30:07
talking, I was imagining when I seen Nas for the first time, you
30:10
know what I'm saying, Like I've seen him at the hard Rock you know
30:12
what I'm saying, and just like you know, like going in there and
30:18
seeing the venue and like just kind of like at that point, I understand
30:22
I already knew, like as far as like how the music goes, and
30:26
I understood, like, you know, he's not gonna which at the same
30:29
time, I liked those venues better than for example, like the Amway or
30:32
whatever, because it's a way better experience. But anyway, the rambling Basically,
30:37
what I'm trying to say is when I went to see that NA show,
30:38
he ain't doing nothing spectacular. He just rapped the NA songs that I
30:42
grew up listening to, you know what I mean. But it was such
30:45
a dope show and I just loved it and I was there singing every lyric.
30:51
My homie next to me, We're like looking at each other when a
30:53
song coming, like, oh this song and we just rapping bro just like,
30:56
and I'm like, damn, Bro. I seen NAS and just then
31:00
I just remember thinking like bro, like just like the like the quality of
31:06
MC that he is in the showmanship and it's just the professionalism of like knowing
31:11
his songs and being like a sharp artist as far as like being able to
31:15
perform him still sound good and stuff like those are the kind of things you
31:19
appreciate, you know what I mean. So my question to you, Joe
31:22
is do you feel like the lower quality of show had to do specifically with
31:32
the low quality venue slash things that he did? Like did he not work
31:38
as hard? Did you feel like he was kind of like half ass in
31:41
it? Like what would you say attributed overall? Like what are the things
31:45
that attributed to the show being bad to you. No, it wasn't the
31:48
show being bad, but it was nothing of the earlier. It was not
31:53
about magic. I was him straying away from like what you really went to
31:59
see him for what I've known him for. Yeah, show you feel like
32:04
you kind of went to like a hokey kind of like like the show I
32:08
just want to Uh, it could have been a literal impersonator. It could
32:15
be like a play type thing. Anybody could Yeah. No, it could
32:17
be an impersonator doing a tribute to David Copperfield. It could have been It
32:23
could have been anybody doing that stuff, and I would have I would have
32:28
took it the same way. I would have took it in the same way.
32:30
But being that it was actually David Copperfield doing that. Uh. Like
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I said, I didn't enjoy it for what I expected it to be.
32:38
Um, if I go back in there knowing it was just a regular ass
32:43
show, I'd enjoy it. And the crazy thing. Bro, Like while
32:47
you saying that me thinking about it from like a creative standpoint, I think
32:52
about it like thing, Bro, he probably broke his Like he probably racked
32:55
his brain to come up with that show, and he probably changed it from
33:01
the show that you would have enjoyed, you get what I'm saying. Like
33:06
him as a creative, he probably might have felt like he was in that
33:08
rut of like, damn, I'm just still doing the same thing. Let
33:12
me add you know, some different elements, let me do X, Y
33:14
and Z than like somebody like you goes and sees him and you don't appreciate
33:19
it from the point of view of like it didn't it didn't strike a nerve
33:22
with you the right way, you know what I'm saying. And that's like
33:24
such like a crazy thing, like as a person that creates things for people's
33:29
like entertainment, you know what i mean. Just thinking about like you know
33:32
how much stuff probably went into those changes and the stylistic changes that you went
33:37
and saw that you don't you didn't appreciate, you know what I'm saying.
33:40
And to think about the idea that if he's doing that show and he's been
33:44
there that long, it probably works for the audience that's coming to see him.
33:49
That's exactly what it is. Yeah, a bunch of tourists, international
33:52
folk who just know the name, They don't know shit about him, you
33:58
know, people who just get free tickets and something to do in Las Vegas
34:00
while they're visiting. M Yeah, he's doing what you gotta do. But
34:07
for someone who watched him as a count and appreciate his magic, that was
34:09
a little different from me. That's when it was. It was about twenty
34:14
sixteen, twenty seventeen. I was in Vegas and got free tickets. That's
34:17
what it was. I definitely saw him and I kind of felt the same
34:21
way you feel right now, and it was kind of the same show.
34:23
Quincy. Yep, that's exactly what it was. That's exactly what it was.
34:28
Free tickets. Yeah, that's crazy, y'all, but who've got free
34:32
tickets to it? It's nuts, man. The thing is that that that's
34:39
what I get at. Like you, you get to know somebody, you
34:43
get to appreciate somebody, and just like just watching y'all as artists, we
34:47
could be twenty years from now and I can see y'all do something and be
34:51
like that, ain't down. That ain't down after all this shit I've seen
34:54
and all this shit y'all have done before and said before like that ain't down,
35:00
Like that's not who they was. I don't recognize that with anybody,
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m m m