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Murder Homes: The Homes Everyone Whispers About · Spooky Season Podcasts 🎃

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  Speaker 1: Murder Homes is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: I think a stigmatized home has to do with energy.
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  Speaker 2: But if a murderer has lived in your current home,
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  Speaker 2: is his energy still there?
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  Speaker 1: That voice you just heard was Cindy Hagley. She's a
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  Speaker 1: real estate agent in northern California that specializes in stigmatized properties.
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  Speaker 1: According to the National Association of Realtors, these are properties
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  Speaker 1: that are quote psychologically impacted by an event which occurred
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  Speaker 1: or was suspected to have occurred on the property end quote.
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  Speaker 1: At the top of this list would be a home
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  Speaker 1: where a murder occurred. We'll be talking to Cindy Moore
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  Speaker 1: in a few minutes, but first I want to explain
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  Speaker 1: how I got interested in murder homes and stigmatized properties.
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  Speaker 1: It all started when I temporarily moved in with my
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  Speaker 1: soon to be ex girlfriend Leonia, New Jersey. We stayed
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  Speaker 1: in a ran style home her mother owned. Leonia is
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  Speaker 1: a bedroom community suburban about a fifteen minute drive from
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  Speaker 1: the George Washington Bridge and New York City. I'd spend
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  Speaker 1: my week in Brooklyn and drive out to Lionia on
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  Speaker 1: the weekends. This was early January. There were patches of
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  Speaker 1: snow in the suburban lawns out there. Her home was
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  Speaker 1: located near the end of a dead end street. Beyond
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  Speaker 1: that a high fence, a twenty four hours shell station,
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  Speaker 1: the distant white noise of traffic on north Bergen Boulevard.
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  Speaker 1: Board I type in Leonia and see what came up
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  Speaker 1: on Google. I had discovered that a body had been
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  Speaker 1: found in Overpeck Park the year before a robbery had
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  Speaker 1: happened a few streets away. But one of those nights
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  Speaker 1: I found myself googling more and an older crime popped up.
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  Speaker 1: It turned out that a one freezing winter day in
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  Speaker 1: January nineteen seventy five, Leonia had been infamous. Just before
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  Speaker 1: noon on January eighth, nineteen seventy five, a father and
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  Speaker 1: son pretending to be insurance salesman had knocked on the
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  Speaker 1: door of one twenty four Glenwood Avenue. As soon as
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  Speaker 1: it was opened, they burst in and held eight people hostage.
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  Speaker 1: When they finally left later that afternoon, a young nurse
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  Speaker 1: named Maria Fashing would be dead, and Leonia, a community
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  Speaker 1: where everyone kept their doors unlocked, would never be the same.
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  Speaker 1: But reading about a crime is one thing. Seeing the
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  Speaker 1: house where it took place as another This is Murder Holmes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm at Marinovitch. One twenty four Glenwood was an eight
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  Speaker 1: minute walk from where I was living. Being curious, I
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  Speaker 1: walked over there with Ray, who turned out to be
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  Speaker 1: the perfect partner. I felt I looked a lot less
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  Speaker 1: suspicious with the dog as I stopped and stared at
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  Speaker 1: the home. One twenty four Glenwood is a two story,
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  Speaker 1: four bedroom home with a stucco exterior, a detached garage
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  Speaker 1: sandwich between two other homes. There's a large tree in
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  Speaker 1: the front yard that leans towards the shingled roof. In
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  Speaker 1: black and white photographs taken after the murder, that same
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  Speaker 1: tree is there. The home looks exactly the same. There
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  Speaker 1: is something you sense in the air when you walk
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  Speaker 1: by a murder home, Like Cindy Hagley said, it's a
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  Speaker 1: kind of energy. I don't believe in ghosts, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not that, but I feel like there's this pull that
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  Speaker 1: the home can't shake. What happened so long ago. No
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  Speaker 1: matter how much carpet has been ripped up and laid down,
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  Speaker 1: no matter how many fresh coats of pain have been
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  Speaker 1: slapped on, the history is still there. This gaping hole.
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  Speaker 1: The home is a survivor of the crime just as
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  Speaker 1: much as anyone else, and it wants to tell its
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  Speaker 1: story to anyone who will listen. My interest in one
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  Speaker 1: twenty four glen Wood and the dramatic events that happened there,
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  Speaker 1: brought to mind other murder homes that I had read
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  Speaker 1: about over the years, and as I delved into them,
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  Speaker 1: the term quote stigmatized property came up again and again.
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  Speaker 1: You might be familiar with some other famous stigmatized addresses.
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  Speaker 1: Eight to seventy five South Bundy Drive, the Nicole Simpson
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  Speaker 1: home one zero zero five zero Cielo Drive, where Manson
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  Speaker 1: followers murdered Sharon Tate and her friends. One twelve Ocean Avenue,
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  Speaker 1: the home in Amudeville where Ronald de Fayo Junior killed
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  Speaker 1: his parents and four siblings. A murder home can sell
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  Speaker 1: for as much as twenty five percent off its market value,
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  Speaker 1: So for a home that might look as well kept
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  Speaker 1: as any other on the street, you might be getting
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  Speaker 1: the bargain of a lifetime, as long as you don't
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  Speaker 1: mind knowing what happened inside its walls.
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  Speaker 2: But I was distigmatized home number one. I want multiple
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  Speaker 2: offers I want the home pristine. I advertise and market
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  Speaker 2: it just like a regular home.
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  Speaker 1: That's Cindy Hagley, the real estate agent who specializes in
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  Speaker 1: stigmatized properties that we heard from at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: this episode. After my visit to one twenty four Glenwood,
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  Speaker 1: I decided it was time to talk to some experts
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  Speaker 1: about stigmatized properties, so I called her up to ask
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  Speaker 1: her more about her process.
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  Speaker 2: My goal is to get multiple offers, pit the buyers
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  Speaker 2: against each other for the highest price. When that competitive
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  Speaker 2: edge comes in and we've chosen a contract to accept,
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  Speaker 2: at that point, I will disclose that, hey, something's happened here,
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  Speaker 2: or three kids were murdered here in the living room
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight. Whatever I need to disclose, I
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  Speaker 2: will disclose it. But at that point, after the buyers
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  Speaker 2: have bitted against each other, and it's usually a two
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  Speaker 2: or three day process, and in the state of California
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  Speaker 2: we have a shortage of homes. I have never lost
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  Speaker 2: a deal because I've disclosed something that's terrific.
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask a quick follow up to that, though,
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  Speaker 1: do you find most buyers then say I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear anything more about what happened here? Or do
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  Speaker 1: you get buyers who will say, I'd tell me more.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they don't get a novel like Warren Peace telling
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  Speaker 2: them what happened. It's like, by the way, somebody died
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  Speaker 2: in the house, like six years ago. Oh okay. Some
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  Speaker 2: people ask questions. If they ask questions, they get top
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  Speaker 2: of the tree responses. If they ask more detailed questions,
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  Speaker 2: I will tell them anything and everything they want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, And you said you got into this niche? How
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  Speaker 1: did that happen? Just specifically with stigmatized homes? How do
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  Speaker 1: you get into a niche? As an agent?
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  Speaker 2: The first stigmatized home that I dealt with was a
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  Speaker 2: little two story turn of this century home in northern California.
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  Speaker 2: I got a call and listed the property, had it
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  Speaker 2: for sale. During the first open house, I'm sitting at
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  Speaker 2: the dining room table and I think I'm seeing something
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  Speaker 2: moving on the stairway. And I kept sensing this and
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  Speaker 2: I would look up and there's nothing there. And this
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  Speaker 2: happened two or three times, and I was convinced that
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  Speaker 2: there was somebody in the home, even though at that
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  Speaker 2: moment I knew I was alone. Went upstairs, looked around
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  Speaker 2: and there was nobody there. So a couple hours later
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  Speaker 2: when the owner came home, I said, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is going to sound really weird, but I kept seeing
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  Speaker 2: things at the top of the stairs and she says, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you met my ghost. Okay, well tell me about that.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently there had been sightings in this home by
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  Speaker 2: her and her boyfriend for several years, and she decided
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  Speaker 2: not to mention it to me, which was fine because
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  Speaker 2: in the state of California, you don't have to report
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  Speaker 2: a death in the house after two years. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: a buy the book kind of broker, so I felt
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  Speaker 2: this needed to be disclosed. But anyway, somebody did buy
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  Speaker 2: the house. We did disclose that we thought it was haunted,
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  Speaker 2: and not only did the buyer buy the home, they
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  Speaker 2: insisted the cat and the home came with them, which
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  Speaker 2: I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Was odd and stigmatized and a cat with it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is there one that sticks out as being particularly difficult
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  Speaker 1: as far as it stigmatized home because of what had
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  Speaker 1: happened there particularly challenging.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there is a home here in northern California that
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  Speaker 2: had a very very high profile murder. It was an
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  Speaker 2: attorney and they were building this beautiful new home, just
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  Speaker 2: a gorgeous home on a hill, and they had a
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  Speaker 2: mobile home on the premises where they were living while
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  Speaker 2: this home was being built. Well, at some point a
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  Speaker 2: kid in the neighborhood decides that he needs to kill
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  Speaker 2: these people for whatever reason. I think he was looking
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  Speaker 2: for drug money. The attorney was at work, his wife
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  Speaker 2: and maybe a child were a home, but they came
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  Speaker 2: in and just bludgeoned them. They just bludged the family
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  Speaker 2: to death. So all over the news from every angirl,
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  Speaker 2: helicopters on the ground, you knew where this home was in.
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  Speaker 3: What looked like.
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  Speaker 2: And I really don't want to mention the home or
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  Speaker 2: the city, but that home set on the market for
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  Speaker 2: at least two to three years, and when I first
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  Speaker 2: walked the property, I knew exactly what the issue was.
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  Speaker 2: You walk into the property and over to the left
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  Speaker 2: from the gate, you could still see the inprint from
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  Speaker 2: where the mobile home sat, so everybody knew where this
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  Speaker 2: murder occurred. And you had to pass this spot to
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  Speaker 2: get up to the main house. So I only had
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  Speaker 2: one suggestion, make that go away. Replant, put in a fountain,
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  Speaker 2: put in flowers, do absolutely anything you need to do
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  Speaker 2: to not make it obvious that that's where the murder occurred.
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  Speaker 2: They did it. I think it took them a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks to do the landscaping. It sold sixty days
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  Speaker 2: after that.
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  Speaker 1: That's fascinating. And that's the only time you've really staged
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  Speaker 1: like a murder home specifically because of a portion of
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  Speaker 1: the home had been involved in this crime scene. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I staged homes all the time. Like if I have
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  Speaker 2: somebody swinging from a chandelier in the dining room, that
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  Speaker 2: dining room is going to be stack age to the tea.
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  Speaker 2: I want them to fall in love with that dining
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  Speaker 2: room and not imagine what happened there. Okay, Also, when
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  Speaker 2: a death occurs on the property, I'm not saying, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this occurred in the master bedroom, or you know, he
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  Speaker 2: stabbed himself with the corkscrew in the kitchen or dining room.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I just say a death has occurred,
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  Speaker 2: but forever that death has occurred, in case somebody asks
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  Speaker 2: or a neighbor comes through, I make sure that area
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  Speaker 2: is as warm and inviting as possible.
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  Speaker 1: Do you find that people buyers are coming to you
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  Speaker 1: to buy stigmatized property? Do you have a buyer, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: who might say I'm looking for a stigmatized property, a
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  Speaker 1: murder home.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone that comes to me specifically looking for stigmatized home
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  Speaker 2: is batshit crazy, and I run. There are people out
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  Speaker 2: there that think they can buy homes, stigmatized homes, decrepit homes, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: for pennies on the dollar. But in today's reality, you
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  Speaker 2: can't do that. My homes always sell above market because
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  Speaker 2: I'm a salesperson, not just a walter, and you can't
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  Speaker 2: pick up a stigmatized home for pennies on the dollar.
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  Speaker 2: Every stigmatized home that I have sold has been at
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  Speaker 2: market value or greater. So no, the people that come
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  Speaker 2: looking for the haunted house or whatever, I will not
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  Speaker 2: deal with. I'll give them to someone on my team
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  Speaker 2: to deal with a buyer's agent. But those that I'm
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  Speaker 2: aware of have never turned into a transaction.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be back after a short break. We're back with
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  Speaker 1: murder homes. After my conversation with Cindy, my head was spinning.
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  Speaker 1: I wondered if the current occupants of the house and
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  Speaker 1: Leonia even knew of the murder that had happened there.
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  Speaker 1: Did the real estate broker disclose it to the buyers.
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  Speaker 1: Did they have to? I also wondered about my own home,
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  Speaker 1: or any home.
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  Speaker 3: More.
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  Speaker 1: Sleuthing on Google led me to the website site died
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  Speaker 1: in Home. For a fee, the website will find out
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  Speaker 1: if a death occurred in your home, and once you
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  Speaker 1: have that name, you can find out if it was
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  Speaker 1: a natural death or something more sinister. I reached out
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  Speaker 1: to the man behind the website, Roy Condrey. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to find out more about his story and the people
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  Speaker 1: who use his website. He told me that he started
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  Speaker 1: the website after he discovered his own home was stigmatized.
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  Speaker 3: I had a couple of royal properties and I was
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  Speaker 3: managing it myself and I knew the tenants, and she
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  Speaker 3: text me in the middle of the night and she said,
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  Speaker 3: did you know your house is haunted? So I just
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  Speaker 3: replied back and I was like, whoa, Okay, I said, well,
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  Speaker 3: what do you mean, tell me more? But you never
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  Speaker 3: replied back. But the next day I thought about it
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  Speaker 3: and I got online and I was looking for like
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  Speaker 3: a carfax for homes. So I couldn't find any tool
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  Speaker 3: that would tell you if your house was haunted. But
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  Speaker 3: I saw the results of my Google search saying, how
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  Speaker 3: do I find out my house is on it? How
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  Speaker 3: do I find out if someone's died in my house?
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  Speaker 3: And then I did find where realtors were giving advice
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  Speaker 3: how to do it, and they're saying, you know, ask
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  Speaker 3: a realtor, ask the neighbors, go check, you know, public
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  Speaker 3: records and so forth. So that's easier said than done,
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  Speaker 3: because when you go look, you're typically finding the owner
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  Speaker 3: of the house. I'm not really finding the roommates necessarily,
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  Speaker 3: or the kids or whoever that's lived in that house,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe they've passed away in that house. So it's
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  Speaker 3: really time consuming. But I did go down the path
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't find anything in that house, but I
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  Speaker 3: found out my other rental property that two people died there.
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  Speaker 3: So it just shocked me, like, well, everybody feels differently
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  Speaker 3: about it death in the home, and so me, I
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  Speaker 3: might be a little more skittish than the normal person.
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  Speaker 3: But I can live with peaceful death in the home.
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  Speaker 3: I could live with that. But my wife, on the
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  Speaker 3: other hand, she doesn't want any death home. And then
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  Speaker 3: you've got just different levels of that. It can be
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  Speaker 3: just tragic, horrifying events. I definitely don't want to be
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  Speaker 3: in there, and I know a lot of people that don't.
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  Speaker 3: So I just feel like this information needed to be
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  Speaker 3: disclosed to home buyers. But I found out that it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have to in most states. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: states have laws. I'm in South Carolina. It has a law,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not worth the ink, and it says if
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  Speaker 3: the buyer asked the seller and the seller knows, then
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  Speaker 3: they should disclose the information. And that goes for the realtorials.
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  Speaker 3: They should disclose the information, but there's no legal action
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  Speaker 3: can be held against them.
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  Speaker 1: For not I asked Roy if there were any homicides
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  Speaker 1: like the one in Leonia that he had come across
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  Speaker 1: on his website at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty thirteen, there was a house in Burton, Pennsylvania, And
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  Speaker 3: what happened is lady her and her husband and children
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  Speaker 3: lived in California. She's from Pennsylvania, but they live in California.
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  Speaker 3: Her husband passed away and she decided moved back home
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  Speaker 3: with their kids and they bought a home, really nice
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  Speaker 3: home in a cul de sac, like six hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars or something like that. They moved in
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  Speaker 3: and it within like two months, she was claiming in
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  Speaker 3: that time for him, she was witnessing paranormal experiences behavior.
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  Speaker 3: But then like two months later, her kids are told
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  Speaker 3: that there was a murder suicide in that house like
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  Speaker 3: a year earlier, and that information wasn't disclosed to her,
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  Speaker 3: and she wasn't comfortable with it. But what happened is
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  Speaker 3: the murder suicide happened. They tried to sell it. I
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  Speaker 3: guess too many people were aware of it, and no
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  Speaker 3: one bought it. And then the investors bought it, and
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  Speaker 3: they asked that they were aware, and they asked that
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  Speaker 3: we have to disclose this, and the relitior said no,
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  Speaker 3: and so they bought it for a discount and they
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  Speaker 3: flipped it to her and didn't disclose it, but they
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  Speaker 3: sold it to her for the price of a normal home.
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  Speaker 3: That a murder didn't happen, and so she wasn't comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: She took them to court, and in the end it
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  Speaker 3: went to New York's Supreme Court, and the judge he
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  Speaker 3: said something like, I understand you lost like one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and fifty thousand in equity equity, but there's no law
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  Speaker 3: disclosing that they had to state and that they had
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  Speaker 3: to disclose that information to you, so she was stuck
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  Speaker 3: in her home.
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  Speaker 1: Roy told me that he sometimes gets emails from people
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  Speaker 1: upset about the information in their report.
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  Speaker 3: You know, well, it's kind of private to them. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: it just happened recently, I don't know. But on the
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  Speaker 3: opposite side of that, we have people sending us their
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  Speaker 3: certificates of their family and asking us to put their
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  Speaker 3: home in the database. I'm presuming they've moved out of
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  Speaker 3: the property, but we have people informing us, and we
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  Speaker 3: want to verify the data, especially when people give it
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  Speaker 3: to us. So I asked for some kind of DEUS
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  Speaker 3: certificate or news story or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I was just going to ask you, are buyers
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  Speaker 1: using your website to get deals on stigmatized property?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and I have some examples of that. So our
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  Speaker 3: theory is, so when you first present this to people,
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  Speaker 3: it's not something you always think about, especially when you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about real estate or the realtor the seller. As
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're cleaning your house up, you're staging it,
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  Speaker 3: you're making it look nice and new and staying positive.
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  Speaker 3: And the buyer they're excited because they're about to get
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  Speaker 3: a new house. That's a positive thing. And you don't
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  Speaker 3: typically ever think about has someone died in this house
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  Speaker 3: unless it looks scary. You know, maybe it's an old
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  Speaker 3: Victorian Howison, you're not used to buying those or something.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. So people they don't think about it.
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  Speaker 3: But I know that people have different thoughts of what
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  Speaker 3: bothers them. I'm not trying to say that it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: house bothers everybody. So there's people that don't think they
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  Speaker 3: believe or think they care, but I believe a lot
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  Speaker 3: more and more do. But if you don't care that
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  Speaker 3: there was a death in a home, then there's people
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  Speaker 3: like on the paramo normal side, you know, Amie Bille Horror,
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  Speaker 3: all those things and the dark energy and what have you.
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  Speaker 3: There's those people that make care every one level and
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  Speaker 3: the other another. If you don't care about any of that,
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  Speaker 3: these stigmatized properties have proven to be devalued. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Realture dot Com at twenty twenty one said you can
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: expect to pay ten to twenty five percent less of
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: regular price. Some homes sell them for more. But I
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: think that's all about location and demand. You know, it's
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: like you're in New York City, and I believe that
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: the short is there. People can look past it. But
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: if you're out where I live, and you have two
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: homes and they're identical, and one had a murder suicide
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: in it and he knew about it, and you had
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: the other one, that was fine. I believe most people
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: aren't going to live in the murder suicide one.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And then I thought I might ask Roy a very
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: obvious question. You know, I guess it might be darkly
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: funny for the show to find out if I'm living
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: in a murder home, you know, so I can give you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I can give you my address if you want. Okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: go ahead, we'll be back after a short break. We're
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: back with murder homes. So I gave Roy my address,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: although I heavily doubted it was stigmatized, because I'd heard
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: nothing from my neighbors, who seemed to know everything that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: had happened in my Brooklyn neighborhood, way back to when
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it was a whole lot less gentrified. That night, I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: started thinking about what Roy had said, how some people
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: are fine sleeping in a room where a murder suicide
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: had happened, and others like himself and his wife are
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: much more skittish. What if you lived in a home
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: where a murderer had happened and heard strange noises at night,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: felt the presence of something sinister in the air. Because
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of murder in the United States.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: On every block, on every quiet, tree lined street, something
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: bad has happened inside at least one home. And next
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: week we'll learn all about one completely unnerving murder home
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that was just recently on the market. Was the real
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: estate agent honest about it? We'll find out. And there's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: one more thing. Roy Condrey sent the report on my
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: home to one of my producers. He said, not to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: be too freaked out.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so no one has actually died or no
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: one's murdered.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: That's the good news. Bye. This is Murder Holmes. Thanks
• 20:17
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