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Media Lawyers Challenge Tyler Robinson’s Bid to Restrict Courtroom Access (8/31/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Over
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  Speaker 1: the past few days, we've been talking about some of
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  Speaker 1: the developments when it comes to Tyler Robinson and the
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  Speaker 1: state of Utah's case that they're making against him. But
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  Speaker 1: lurking in the background, we have other people who want
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  Speaker 1: to intervene in the case who say that they have
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  Speaker 1: rights that need to be respected. And mainly those people
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  Speaker 1: are the attorneys for the media. And according to them,
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  Speaker 1: Removing cameras from that courtroom is a non-starter. So they
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  Speaker 1: have petitioned the judge to keep the cameras in the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom and to keep the cameras rolling during this hearing
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  Speaker 1: on September 1st. So today we have an article from KSL.com
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  Speaker 1: and the headline. What is public is public. Media attorneys
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  Speaker 1: argue in the Tyler Robinson hearing. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Pat Reavey. Attorneys for the media say Tyler Robinson's
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  Speaker 1: request to keep cameras out of the courtroom for the
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  Speaker 1: final day of his prelim hearing next week is a
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  Speaker 1: question that has already been asked and answered. Look, if
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  Speaker 1: I was somebody who was being falsely accused, if I
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  Speaker 1: was somebody that was a patsy, I'd be asking for
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  Speaker 1: more cameras. Fuck, I'd be asking for flock cameras. I'd
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  Speaker 1: want everybody to see how I'm getting railroaded. So whenever
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  Speaker 1: we have these people like Tyler Robinson Brian Koberger, etc.,
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  Speaker 1: who cry about cameras being present and then, between sobs,
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  Speaker 1: want to tell us how they're being framed or how
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  Speaker 1: they're not the right person is always comical. Because if
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  Speaker 1: you were somebody that was actually being set up, if
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  Speaker 1: you were somebody that was being railroaded, you'd want those
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  Speaker 1: cameras in there. You'd want people to see because you
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  Speaker 1: know it would become a gigantic shitshow and that's only
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  Speaker 1: going to improve your chances of walking, right? Robinson's request
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  Speaker 1: repeats generalized policy arguments against electronic media coverage that this
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  Speaker 1: court has already rejected. Those arguments are not sufficient to
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  Speaker 1: overcome the presumption favoring electronic media coverage and should be
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  Speaker 1: rejected yet again. Media attorneys state in their response, and
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  Speaker 1: if there's no cameras, forget it. All the morons and idiots,
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  Speaker 1: they'll be running around making shit up. And when I
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  Speaker 1: say that, I don't mean theorizing, right? It's one thing
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  Speaker 1: to have some theories. It's another thing to just be
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  Speaker 1: talking nonsense. And the vast majority of people that think
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  Speaker 1: they're some kind of investigator or researcher when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to this case, my friends, they're just talking nonsense. And
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  Speaker 1: it's readily apparent to me who has never followed a
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  Speaker 1: complex case before. Robinson, 23, is accused of shooting and
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  Speaker 1: killing conservative political activist Charlie Kirk on the campus of
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  Speaker 1: the Utah Valley University on September 10th, 2025. prosecutors have
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  Speaker 1: stated that they'll seek the death penalty if he's convicted.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that when we get to the point
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  Speaker 1: where we're looking at trial, we're going to see a
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  Speaker 1: plea deal. Tyler Robinson's going to cop to this shit
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  Speaker 1: so he doesn't get the death penalty. Same thing that
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger did. Now, of course, we know that there are
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  Speaker 1: some issues up in Idaho, considering Kohlberger's trying to get
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  Speaker 1: that deal thrown out. But I see the same kind
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  Speaker 1: of game plan forming for Tyler Robinson and his lawyers.
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  Speaker 1: And if you go through the filings, the motions, it
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  Speaker 1: really resembles what Koberger's team was doing early on. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be that same approach. On Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: Robinson will be back in 4th District Judge Tony Graff's
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  Speaker 1: courtroom for final closing arguments in his prelim hearing. And obviously,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be covering that. I mean, it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: pretty interesting to see what Judge Graff comes up with.
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  Speaker 1: And in my opinion, there is no way that this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't go to trial. With all the evidence that we've seen,
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  Speaker 1: With all the evidence we've heard, I think that there
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  Speaker 1: is certainly enough that we at the very least get
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  Speaker 1: a trial. Now what happens at that trial, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know yet. There's a lot of people that are certain
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  Speaker 1: one way or the other about the outcome. Me personally,
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  Speaker 1: I am not. A lot of shit can change. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows what they find in discovery? What if a witness
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  Speaker 1: shows up? What if they find somebody else who knew
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  Speaker 1: as they're investigating? Because remember, we're only seeing a fraction
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  Speaker 1: of what's going on. There's a lot going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, and when you look at the discovery, and
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  Speaker 1: how much of it's been passed over to Tyler Robinson's
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  Speaker 1: people already, there's a lot there, and it's going to
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  Speaker 1: take them a ton of time to go through it all.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, Robinson renewed his request to keep cameras out
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  Speaker 1: of the courtroom during the hearing, claiming it could tank
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  Speaker 1: the future jury pool and potentially jeopardize his right to
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  Speaker 1: a fair trial. Yo, there is no way to get
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  Speaker 1: around it. The jury pools are going to be quote-unquote
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  Speaker 1: tainted anyway. Everybody has social media. Everybody has access to
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  Speaker 1: media on demand. And people are following important cases. Cases
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  Speaker 1: that are, you know, interesting to the public. And this
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  Speaker 1: is certainly one of them. And what I always say
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  Speaker 1: is this. If they were able to find a jury
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  Speaker 1: for Donald Trump's crazy ass, I think they can find
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  Speaker 1: a jury for anybody. And these are all just the
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  Speaker 1: motions that you have to go through as a defense team.
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  Speaker 1: And who knows if they're going to try and change
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  Speaker 1: the venue. I wouldn't be shocked if they do because,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that's another tool that the defense can use
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  Speaker 1: to slow things down. And the more time they have,
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  Speaker 1: the better off it's going to be because, again, they
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  Speaker 1: have a lot to go through. They have to deal
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  Speaker 1: with experts. They have to deal with breaking down these
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  Speaker 1: reports that were sent to them as discovery reports. going
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  Speaker 1: through the Celebrite, going through the phone records. There is
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  Speaker 1: a lot. So it's going to be very interesting to
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  Speaker 1: see what their defense ends up being. But if I
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  Speaker 1: was a betting man, which I am, I would bet
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  Speaker 1: that this ends up being a plea deal at some point.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not right away. Hell, maybe it'll take a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years. But I have a hard time believing that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get to trial here. In their response,
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  Speaker 1: attorneys for the media note that Robinson contends prejudice is
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  Speaker 1: reasonably likely because hearsay testimony will be presented, and that
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  Speaker 1: graph has already rejected the notion that having cameras in
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom will distract hearing participants and place added pressure
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  Speaker 1: on them. Look, it should never even be a question.
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  Speaker 1: There should be cameras in every courtroom, including federal courtrooms,
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  Speaker 1: by the way. The people, you and I, we deserve
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  Speaker 1: to see the process unfold, make sure everything's on the
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  Speaker 1: up and up, and the court should have no problem
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  Speaker 1: with that. They should be A-OK with it, as long
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  Speaker 1: as everything's being done the right way. What do you
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  Speaker 1: have to worry about? Moreover, the evidentiary portion of the
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  Speaker 1: preliminary hearing, held in July, was open to the public
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  Speaker 1: and live-streamed, so the hearsay testimony is already available to
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  Speaker 1: the public. Denying electronic media coverage now would only fuel
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  Speaker 1: speculation and erode trust in the criminal justice system, the
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  Speaker 1: media stated, and I agree with that wholeheartedly. This is
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  Speaker 1: not the time for less transparency. It's the time for more.
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  Speaker 1: And as much transparency as can be given by the
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  Speaker 1: court should be given. Because there's way too many people
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  Speaker 1: that just aren't buying the narrative. And look, I don't
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  Speaker 1: blame regular people for not buying the narrative. Please don't
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  Speaker 1: get it confused. My problem is with people who are
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  Speaker 1: trying to pitch you a bunch of bullshit that they
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  Speaker 1: can't prove. That there's not even circumstantial evidence to back up. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you show up with circumstantial evidence... I'm willing to listen.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see it. What do you have to back up
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  Speaker 1: the allegations that you're making? What's your sources source, right?
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  Speaker 1: But we're at a point where people hear shit on
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  Speaker 1: the internet or hear some, you know, influencer or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: say it. And they think it's the truth. But a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times you're being bullshitted because they have to
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  Speaker 1: keep the gravy chain rolling, right? Drip, drip, drip. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to give you some more information, but you have
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  Speaker 1: to tune in tomorrow. And it's all just a big
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  Speaker 1: ass hustle. And when all is said and done, the
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  Speaker 1: people that are engaging in it are going to look
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  Speaker 1: dumb as fuck. Mark my words. Additionally, online speculation, including
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories about the case, will continue whether cameras are
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom or not. Regardless of whether there is
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  Speaker 1: electronic media coverage, members of the public will discuss the case.
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  Speaker 1: That fact does not by itself prejudice Robinson's fair trial rights. Indeed,
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  Speaker 1: the public's constitutional right of access acknowledges the benefits of
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  Speaker 1: of public discussion, according to the response. So you have
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  Speaker 1: to find the balance, right? How do we respect Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Robinson's constitutional rights while the public is still having their
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  Speaker 1: rights respected to a transparent process? So it's the balancing
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  Speaker 1: act that the court is going to have to engage in.
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  Speaker 1: And there's going to be people that aren't happy no
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  Speaker 1: matter what. The media is also opposing Robinson's request to
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  Speaker 1: classify his original motion to keep cameras out of the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom as private. In a redacted version of their motion
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  Speaker 1: released to the public, a paragraph that follows the sentence,
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  Speaker 1: additional evidence of bias developing, as a result of the
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  Speaker 1: widespread publication of this case, can be tracked in real time,
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  Speaker 1: is blacked out. Quora filings are presumptively public, and both
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. Supreme Court and the Utah Supreme Court have
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  Speaker 1: recognized the public's right of access to criminal proceedings. including
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  Speaker 1: pretrial filings. The media stated in their response, Robinson cannot
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  Speaker 1: overcome the presumption favoring public access. He attempts to make
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  Speaker 1: secret information that is publicly available and that was in
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  Speaker 1: fact created by the public. What is public is public.
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  Speaker 1: And Robinson cannot change that by putting public information in
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  Speaker 1: a court filing. And Robinson's alarmist predictions about the effect
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  Speaker 1: of this public information remaining public are unsubstantiated and improperly
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  Speaker 1: based on generalized concerns about public access, the media continues. Now,
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  Speaker 1: does that sound like the argument of somebody who's innocent
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  Speaker 1: or somebody who's being set up? And what I want
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  Speaker 1: you to avoid is all emotion. Don't come at this
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  Speaker 1: from an emotional perspective. What does the evidence say? And
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  Speaker 1: where does the evidence lead us? Because at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, that's what's going to matter. Not narratives, facts,
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  Speaker 1: and evidence. That's what it's going to come down to.
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  Speaker 1: And so far, I haven't seen very much from the
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  Speaker 1: side of Tyler Robinson when it comes to evidence. Also
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  Speaker 1: this week, Graf issued an order banning cell phones and
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  Speaker 1: other electronic devices in the courtroom during Tuesday's hearing. Attorneys
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  Speaker 1: and support staff, or the victim representative legal counsel, are
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  Speaker 1: exempt from the ban. Reporters were already not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: have laptops, cell phones, Apple Watches, and other electronic devices
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  Speaker 1: during the week-long hearing in July. They didn't want leaks.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why they ban all of the devices that
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  Speaker 1: could transmit or stream. And that's something that you see
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit these days. But I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: Judge Graff is going to go any further than that.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that he's going to ban cameras
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  Speaker 1: or photography from the courtroom. Because I think that if
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  Speaker 1: he was going to do that, he would have done
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  Speaker 1: it already. And with this hearing scheduled for tomorrow, my
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  Speaker 1: guess is that Judge Graff will have a ruling sometime today.
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  Speaker 1: And once we get that information, obviously, we'll get it
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  Speaker 1: added to the catalog. And then after tomorrow's hearing, we'll
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  Speaker 1: do a postmortem of what went down at that hearing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that when all is said and done tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be moving into the next phase. And
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  Speaker 1: the next phase is the trial of Tyler Robinson. All
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box.