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Talks to David Maskell about his choice of The Sun Makers (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Well, hello, and welcome back to hamster with a blunt penknife
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  and I know what you're thinking. You're thinking Joe's changed a
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  little bit, isn't he? But we're here.
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  We're here for episode 2 of the sun Baker's.
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  My name is David Paschal. Also known as mrs.
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  Remington fan and I'm joined by hello, my name is Dolores gray
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  and I can't remember the song. I was going to sing still here
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  and still That. Well, I'll just say we ride to
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  Destiny, we surely do, honey, we surely do, listen this what you
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  don't know is Mean, Joe actually writing the musical stuff and
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  then sits within its in early stages of the moment, we're
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  hoping mr. Lloyd Webber will be.
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  Remember the songs. The Third Reich starring Anton,
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  differing, we ride to Destiny. Starring Fiona Walker.
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  Oh Ace. Blow up that spaceship Starring
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  Sylvester McCoy. Where are you folks heading?
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  Uh-huh. And then, of course, the the
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  entirely vocal tract, which is just me doing the incident, a
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  musical. Then another then another, then
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  another, then another bonus Track by Courtney Pine
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  relationship. I'd say it's more of an open
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  relationship, really? Yes.
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  Like, I'm occasionally, you know, in love with some makers.
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  No, no. What do you mean by relationship
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  as in? What was the first time you
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  joined? The first time?
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  You've watched it or when you saw it?
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  Yeah, so I came to somebody who's really late.
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  So I had my own bootleg Doctor Who fan who would send me VHS in
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  the post in return for things. You don't need to know about now
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  I'm A cognizer. It wasn't it was money like I
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  don't even want and I mean that is a new Doctor
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  Who, you know? Yeah and I watch this when it
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  came out of VHS And I remember being instantly struck by kind
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  of how sore dour and saturated it all looked.
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  But by the end of episode 1, I was laughing my head off and the
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  same thing happened with carnival at monsters where I
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  remember starting that and it was all those weird things with
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  the guys, wearing the masks at the beginning on into - okay,
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  boys, this, what is this crap? And by the end of the first
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  episode, it's so clever. So funny.
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  And the performances are so good that I was like I'm just into
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  this like fuck production values, I am really into this,
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  so yeah, so I loved it straight off the bat.
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  That's lovely, that's nice to hear.
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  How about you? Oh, that's a good question.
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  I think, the first time I have, I remember the video cover very
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  well because I think I went to a signing for when the VHS came
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  out and it was Tom Baker and Louise Jameson signing the video
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  cover. Okay, I just remember it was a
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  bit that publicity shot of the three.
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  It's of Lila. And the doctor and canine.
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  It's the kind of after show you a picture.
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  It's more distant was as she got the scarf around.
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  Yeah. That's the one.
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  Yeah, it's alive. It's got, its got the Pluto
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  thing in it as well. And it's all yellow.
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  And that's my first recollection.
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  And I remember watching it as a kid and not quite understanding
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  it, but I think this is a story that you have to watch as an
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  adult. I can imagine as a kid, this one
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  going over your head a little bit, but as an adult, you think
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  about this is clever, this is clever.
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  I mean, I think like, in terms of like Racing's, this one
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  scored pretty respectfully across the board.
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  As a child, I think like the height and performances and the
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  comedy Maybe Might appeal, but all of those social commentary
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  would just go. Yeah.
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  Unless you're a particularly Savvy five-year-old, you know,
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  he's like I'm gonna end I'm not going to enjoy paying taxes when
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  I'm older but I mean as an adult, there's just so much to
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  Regan. This isn't there, it's genius.
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  It's absolutely genius. And a lot of that in the first
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  episode where there's spelling out the core do like, like
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  you've got to pay tax on the funeral.
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  You've got to pay tax on the fact that you're doing overtime.
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  You got to pay tax and it's like this year and he just can't, he
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  can't make ends meet and and like, literally so relatable, go
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  back the, you know, like 10 years, that's where we were
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  where people were living below. That's below the bright line
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  and, you know, leaning and I volunteered in food banks, I
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  volunteered in the food bank, in the previous town, I lived in,
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  and the amount of people that couldn't afford food families to
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  jobs families. The couldn't afford to feed
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  their children that were, and you only got vouchers for these
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  food banks if you would like, desperate social workers, and
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  things like that where the only people that could give them out.
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  So it's not like you can just go and say okay.
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  Please sir, I need some food. It was people that were
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  desperate like that's that's how the government are treating
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  people. Now while yeah, whilst they're
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  paying for their, you know, 100,000 pounds of artwork.
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  For Downing Street. That talking, I got that.
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  I got very serious him for a second but this, this is
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  relevant now, this story. Yeah, absolutely.
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  It's that's why I think it's, it's so brilliant and so
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  underrated is people, The doctor who can do to could do anything.
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  I mean, this was, this was done because Robert Holmes had a tax
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  bill. He was very annoyed at him, and
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  he basically gave him a two finger, salute, to the Inland
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  revenue, and horrible. P45 wife like this surface is
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  are just like Blissful. Yeah.
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  And you know what like success who enjoys paying tax everyone
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  out there hold up your hands if you enjoy paying tax, you know?
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  No one does. So the fact that this is so
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  bloody These Savage about yeah, exactly.
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  It's a live but it's also really funny.
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  Oh it's very good but it's it's it's funny but it's that good
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  amount of funny, but scary. You know what I mean?
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  They're kind of not scary. Maybe that's all right word but
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  kind of serious as well. It it it's that Doctor Who that
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  I like that is it's very funny but it's not placed for Laughs
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  whatsoever. And every single person in this
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  is taking it absolutely straight and I think that's the best kind
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  of Dusty. Do you think then what Skip
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  forward a couple of years or something like not very well.
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  She's going to take something like the Armageddon Factor
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  actually, with the chaps. You know that sort of character
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  or hold a reading with playing. Whoo.
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  Laughs playing, he died. It died.
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  It died. Are you?
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  Claiming Spirit knowledge. But like I mean, essentially not
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  married miss playing knock otix for laughs and And absolutely
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  Armageddon factor is technically playing like nuclear Armageddon
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  for Laughs. Whereas this the has a very
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  serious backbone to it even though it's very, very funny.
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  And when we get into this episode, I want to talk about
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  one performance in particular, but I think, I think it's just
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  genius. I think is just brilliant.
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  Well, should we watch some genius doctor?
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  He dead now, let's not live. God See you later.
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  Yeah, let's do it. Let's get it.
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  Let's do it. Okay, so press record again, the
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  you gotta count as in. So I am already.
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  Oh I'm I'm ready. You ready?
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  Always? You said, that was some
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  confidence. Sorry, that's a bad to me.
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  I'll tell you about it off camera.
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  All right. I'll be ready in five, four,
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  three, two, and a one. Let's go.
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  Here we go. It's been like, you know what,
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  right? It's a bit like the best Pixar
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  movies. I think that there can be hugely
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  entertaining. Yeah, for children.
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  And yet they can have a really, like, biting commentary in them
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  as well. Absolutely.
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  Best the best of them, and, and something to say for the adults.
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  I'm not sure what the Pixar version of the some makers would
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  look like. But I think it's time if, if
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  this is allowed because time to talk about somebody who is one
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  of my favorite people in the whole of Doctor Who who's in
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  this story and that's mr. John Leeson who I cannot tell
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  you enough? How much I love that, man.
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  Not only is he one of the nicest people you will ever meet in
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  your life but he is also one of the most interesting.
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  Yeah. Adorable and meant to listen to,
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  as well. When he was talking at Utopia.
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  I was struck at how his story. They were just show this
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  stories. He talked very forcefully about
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  the work that he had done. You know, it wasn't just like,
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  oh, you know, I worked with Jon Pertwee.
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  We have we got on so well and it was all marvelous, you know,
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  there was, there was no element of that and, you know, he will
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  doubt some of the same stories that I've heard like the bitch
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  enslaving one and things like that.
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  And the invisible enema, which I hear.
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  He pulled out quite a bit. Sorry.
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  So John don't pull anything out, John.
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  All right, we don't want to see it.
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  Do you not know that I was about to say?
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  You either. But even now, I am not John
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  Barrowman, Jesus Christ. But, yeah, he-he's conversation.
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  It wasn't just lovey. Lovey, darling.
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  Which a lot of people pull out on, in conventions.
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  It was genuinely like, engaging with the work that you've done.
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  I've been like Louise Jameson actually?
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  Yeah, absolutely. And another one that comes
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  across as very proud to be a part of it and okay.
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  The conventions our apartment is living now you know.
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  But here he is. Oh my God, oh my God look who's
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  come. So let's not duct tape.
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  He's got lots of colored flashing buttons.
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  Oh my God, he's thing that goes boing saying this is a this is a
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  he is definitely gone to the ground crowd and schooled of
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  acting. I'll put the two of them
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  together. Your highest thousand apologies.
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  This is what I love about this story as well.
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  I think one of the main reasons I love this story is for his
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  performance because it's, it's creepy, but it's a lot of fun,
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  but it's not over-the-top. You know, you've got something
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  like G crowd, who don't get me wrong.
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  I love Graham crowd, men or deny, but he's all mad or some
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  hussy. It's very performant.
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  Just works. So well, I always think and I'll
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  talk about this morning. Therefore when Tom Baker gets a
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  really good actor to play a scene with this amazing study
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  raises his game. Absolutely.
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  I mean I would say Tony Beckley from seed to do and Myra Frances
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  from Crete from the pit. And another two that I can think
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  of where Tom Baker, realizes how good?
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  They are a right. I need to raise my game and I
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  would also put Henry wolf in that.
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  Yeah, I think he's. I think he's fabulous in this.
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  I think he's said such and I know that Tom was a big admirer
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  of His as well. I think he says on the
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  commentary that as an actor, he was a big fan of every wolf.
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  So when he came on to the show he was a bit like right.
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  I've got a good actor here, it's a bit like Beatrix.
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  Layman, isn't it? I like my view, bitch.
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  Reclaim that said to him you're going to do it all that.
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  I think started behaving. Yeah, Tom stop being naughty.
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  Oh my God, I need to talk about this scene because it is one of
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  the best Lila seems in a minute where she's like, Triad mandrel
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  Proof of Your Hearts as big as your mouth.
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  She get some terrific lines there.
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  What? Yeah, the bit where she goes,
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  what is it? You have nothing.
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  No. Manhoods even animals protect
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  their own. And then she turns the corner
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  and goes core. Do you logic bravest man here?
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  Like this list? I love could be really try.
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  She sells it. Yeah, absolutely.
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  I mean, that's like me saying in the first episode late and
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  lesser actress would not do this Justice.
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  And he's great, the like that, that element of her character
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  that she's a fighter that she's a murderous technically.
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  Yeah, it's never dropped. She's not afraid to kill people.
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  I mean, the doctors stops her but she's never afraid to cut
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  someone's heart out. Or you remember how we said in
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  episode one? The Story essentially starts
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  with the suicide. Yeah.
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  So here we are in episode 2. What?
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  We've got the doctor and a straitjacket and we're about to
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  learn that the entire population is being drugged.
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  It into submission into this Dreadful way of working.
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  These are dark ideas. What is your point?
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  Mr. Ford. Sorry, that's me trying to do
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  collection. Yeah, I know it's, it's, it's a
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  really dark premise, isn't it? I like that.
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  I think Robert Rob groans Rob, Sherman rice.
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  This kind of story. He, it's very Darkly funny.
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  And I like that, I like humor. But I'm laughing and going,
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  should I be laughing at this? Like, this is quite Twisted.
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  I think it's, well, I think people forget a lot of people
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  forget how to dance some of these stories are and can be
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  like, I think, I'm like everyone's performance in this
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  people go. Oh, it's a bit silly the bit
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  over the top and if it, but what the character is doing, like you
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  say very dumpster. Yeah, really.
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  So it's not considered a dark story, right?
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  It's considered a light 50s Musical and it starts on a
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  massacre and almost like genocide.
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  That's how the story unfolds. Absolutely.
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  I mean, Ken Dodd is shot down, bro.
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  To figure out that was the other clip.
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  You kept showing us that the listeners.
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  It's Ken dogs filming, Delta and the bannermen his death scene.
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  And he pulls a very, very funny face.
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  So if you can you because I there is an extended version of
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  that and she will, I, when this episode goes out, this should be
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  part of the marketing because the Ken Dodd extended death
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  scene was nice as well. You've got its and I know there
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  is a darkness, is one of your favorites.
• 16:33
  No, I'm pulling a face but they are device has a hierarchy of
• 16:37
  villains. You've got the Daleks, then
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  you've got the was his name-o, be Woods his character.
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  And then you've got the oh girls and here you've got the
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  collector and then you've got the gatherer and then you've got
• 16:49
  like the guards essentially and that's interesting because it
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  gives it gives the villains a dynamic.
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  Normally it's just one villain. And Doctor whereas the this like
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  power games here. Oh, and he also, you've got
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  morning there as well. Yeah.
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  If I mean, also The Gatherer is a bit of a bootlicker, is me
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  really? I mean he's literally like a
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  politician, isn't he really? He's just sucking up to his
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  intellectual as much as he can. I've worked with so many people
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  are there. All right, I've got no time for
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  my matter. What I'm gonna want to watch him
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  because we should leave just so funny, but yeah.
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  Yeah, he calls him your hugeness at one point, which is possibly
• 17:32
  the rudest line in Doctor. Who matron, we need just looks
• 17:37
  like a big penis, doesn't he? What's his name Haman water, and
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  we will ya. Who also appeared in The Rocky
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  Horror Show. Apparently, once they always you
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  one of the people dancing, yeah. Begins is in there as well.
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  You know? Bring it.
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  Yeah. Begins 11 to him.
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  I'm surprised he's never been in Doctor Who.
• 17:59
  Well, you basically the big finish that one.
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  Have you know what? Like oh, here we go.
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  Another voyage round the English language.
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  Very, very funny in that oh hey we can look at Lila here even
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  animals protect their own, like she shames them into acting not
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  a sorry, I don't think into reacting to the situation.
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  Like this is a thing, you wouldn't get an 80s who not that
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  the female protagonists are not this strong know and I think
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  also, I know we do, but I think it's also partly to do with the
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  actresses as well. Like, I don't think Louise
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  Jameson's cells this so well. Yeah.
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  Here we go. This is the line.
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  You like it there. Yeah.
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  You're the bravest man here. They have a lovely.
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  I love their chemistry kalila and call do.
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  She gets her own companion? That's How Strong she is here.
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  I'll describe Isham. He I do find him quite
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  irritating. I must say actually, if I have a
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  bit annoying I mean he's supposed to be passing though,
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  isn't it? Because he's been drugged.
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  Oh yeah that's true. I do like all the work the it's
• 19:38
  cheap but all like the circuitry wallpaper they put up
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  everywhere. That's that's quite a nice
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  touch. Intensity.
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  But that that thing where they control the gaps on the wall, it
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  looks like something out of Futurama.
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  It's so basic and the endless. Yeah.
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  Oh, good job. I mean that, I mean, I don't
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  mind it that I don't mind the fact that it's cheap.
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  No, I mean, I quite like it. Oh, look at those boots.
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  Sorry, that's what. That's a weird costume.
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  Well, okay, we're back on Star. Watch again.
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  I think we'd have to give Bishop 15 out of 60.
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  Yeah, I think so. What would you give Lila?
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  Oh, she's happy High 55. I would say 75 at 60.
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  Always have a sorry. Here we go.
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  Well done, mom. So have you got because you've
• 20:38
  met Tom, and you, you fat mr. Baker, but what are your
• 20:42
  memories of meeting? And so when I, when I actually
• 20:46
  met him face to face, it was like, you know, one of those
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  you're in and out like, it was that quick but my biggest
• 20:53
  recollection was I was in the front row of a very small room
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  because it was a small convention where he gave his
• 21:00
  hour long talk and they opened out the room, two questions very
• 21:05
  quickly and Aubrey. I hate public speaking.
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  So I wouldn't put my hand up and ask question.
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  I know it was during a combat. You worth straight in there all
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  night. No, no, no.
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  For this one I'm telling you and even if Angela Bruce said that
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  my question was rubbish, but there we go.
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  Oh, come on. That was one of the highlights
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  of your weekend. Surely it was, it was, but she
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  had a point were asking Tom Baker, questions and honest to
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  God. Like he didn't answer any of
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  them at all, he just wouldn't go, you know, they'd be like,
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  oh, so what's your favorite? Story and he'd be like, wow, the
• 21:37
  thing about death is it's all coming to us, eventually, you
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  know, or you know how what was it like working with bitch?
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  It's late. But oh well be yes.
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  Well, you know I've worked with many movie stars in my time
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  Maggie. Oh my God was saying that woman
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  from Downton Abbey, Maggie Smith, Maggie Smith when I did
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  below, you just went off on some mad tangent and he was so insane
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  because basically the, The Comedy of his routine was in not
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  answering the question. He is truly an eccentric spot in
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  the most and and he's he's like weaponized it made a career out
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  of it. She's and he is he he is the
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  doctor you know when you meet him he is not Tom Baker, he is
• 22:24
  the doctor. I don't mean this in a funny way
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  at all his death and he is an old man now and he will not
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  dance and theater. He's deaf.
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  We'll leave the biggest hole in Doctor Who now we've lost an
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  incredible Doctor Who stars already Caroline, John, let us
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  later. Nicholas corny, Tom Baker's
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  death that will hit the hardest. I think because I don't think he
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  does, he's like right in the center of Doctor.
• 22:58
  Who isn't he right in the center of the classic show easily the
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  most popular classic. Docks are easily the most
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  Viewed, you know, like like he is Doctor Who and it sounds
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  awful. But I'd, I can't think of living
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  in a world without Tom Baker. I can't I can't think of a world
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  where we David Baker. I'll be there to hold your
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  hands. I've just had to have a day off
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  when Elizabeth sladen died. What am I going to be like when
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  Tom Baker goes? Yeah I'm just gonna be I think
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  God has got very serious for a second I think post my mother's
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  death. I have like just come to terms
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  with the fact that see people die, you know, and people
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  remember door and love die and it It's okay, you know?
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  But I don't think we should ever underestimate what these people
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  mean to us. These people that we've
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  connected within our childhoods and growing up to lately and
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  embraced as adults gone to seeing conventions, like,
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  they're like family. Only there is sounds absurd, but
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  they are, they mean something that strong to us.
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  So you say that you need to think day off.
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  My completely empathize with that and I just excited, just
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  don't, I'll tell her it's going to happen but I just don't want
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  to think about that because I don't know how I'm going to
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  react. I mean, at the time of recording
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  this last week we lost Eunice tubs and that hit me so hard.
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  I never thought, you know, I saw the pictures you are posting on
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  Instagram and it was just her being delightful and smiley and
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  just was that the story I told ya.
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  Just I mean that was you know she was someone that I just grew
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  up loving and you know that's but also I thought what woman
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  and it will be the same When Tumblr I think what why Legacy
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  persons. I know this might not seem like
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  a massive comforter but look at the body of work that lie behind
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  that they'll be watched and remembered and you know people
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  will be excited to see them long after they're gone.
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  Let's look at Elizabeth sladen, man.
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  I yeah. Watching her now, you know.
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  Yeah. I mean, also, I do she's not
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  Bend up to, but like I think about you disturbs us thinking
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  how, like, how amazing that at the end of her life.
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  She got Sherlock, something that completely changed her life and
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  just least Laden with Sarah, Jane Adventures, Sarah Jane,
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  exactly. I'm Tom Baker with a big finish.
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  That's all I can really Embrace talk to you again and the 50th
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  Anniversary. Oh God, I remember watching that
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  that 50th anniversary. And when he appeared in the sea,
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  Mm. Are, you know, your I really
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  think you might, I thought it was John kosher honest to God.
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  When I heard it in the went to screening and all these people
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  were screaming, every time they turn up in, I was going shut up,
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  be quiet, want to listen. And then I heard Tom Baker and I
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  just went in that can't be him, it's John kosher, it's got to be
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  John kosher either goes like folks on Baker.
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  At one point, doesn't it worry? Just goes like, you know, like
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  mad old tome. Oh my God.
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  Okay Tom Baker. And the Gabara from a tree
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  called mahogany quantities of vegetable matter with no
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  apparent harm his part like this that dream of don't they like
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  like like when incredible guest actors dive in stock to this is
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  football 01? Yeah.
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  Yeah. I mean I I've is watching season
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  24 boxset recently, which is come out and they will talk
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  about I stars and like how many actors can act in something like
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  paradise? Turns like there are not got
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  who's the only show where you can do something like that.
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  You can take a cannibal. You know.
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  I like, you know, like what I wish there was no other show
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  where Georgina hail could get away with her performance in the
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  happiness Patrol. I know of life.
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  Like today's handyman is you know it's like it's amazing or
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  is it but cross that line and you're a dead man, it's great.
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  And I think, I think we looked Doctor Who for these high-end
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  fullness is up and I know there's a subset of founding
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  that doesn't like on the tall and they want every story to be
• 27:45
  like the mind of evil or ambassador's of death.
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  Or I think it's like else's very serious, a remembrance of the
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  Daleks maybe, you know, like where it's all played very
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  naturalistically. Services of that work but Doctor
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  Who classic who is more like this?
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  I think than like that. Oh, absolutely.
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  And also, I always think if you were an actor in that situation,
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  you would not want to play something like you couldn't play
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  The Collector stray, you just couldn't because it would be
• 28:13
  wrong, even the collectors gay know as it know.
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  I know I know. I'm tired but you know you
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  couldn't play that straight because it just wouldn't work
• 28:26
  and it's the same with someone like my response has increased
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  from the pier, which I love that performance so much, but that's
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  easily That season is just loaded with great performances,
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  isn't it? Oh, no, they've got a really
• 28:40
  perfect gun. She's got uh, cheek death.
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  That's pretty. Did you kill him?
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  Was it a stun gun? She's knocking about left.
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  I want this quarter could have been an assistant.
• 28:55
  I wonder if he was ever considered to be an assistant.
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  The there's a fun game to be played there you know of
• 29:00
  assistance that could have been. So I feel like we should do our
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  top 30. I've got it already because come
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  on Jane Hamptons from The Awakening Awakening and Jana.
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  Why the hell Paula James didn't carry on hang on.
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  That's pretty at the same. Come on.
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  Jacob what about the other life of her?
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  Because she was amazing, is what narus Hughes.
• 29:24
  Oh yeah, she was just poke a bear will read.
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  Do you know what Davis and needed?
• 29:28
  Another companion, didn't they? Yeah.
• 29:30
  And so, did Tom Baker? Imagine Beatrix labor being a
• 29:33
  companion. Oh my God.
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  But you know who? My ultimate could have been a
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  companion laws. God therefore it but Tom Baker
• 29:41
  had to stay on another season. Aunt.
• 29:43
  Vanessa and Tom Baker. You're your Father's Farm on,
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  Gallifrey was hardly the Outback doctor and neither is this
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  matter. I could, I mean, I could also
• 29:59
  much I could imagine that. That would be amazing.
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  But then I think every McNally in the Twin dilemma I should
• 30:07
  have stayed on, he was quite dishing us to me.
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  Super dishy, he filled out of it later years.
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  But have you ever listened to the commentary for that ice is
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  one of the best? Oh yeah, it's because during
• 30:20
  episode 3. So I have been told by some
• 30:23
  people, this story is not exactly a fan favorite, why do
• 30:27
  you think that is? And then and then fucking messed
• 30:31
  or appears on the screen or by side and hand wavy look.
• 30:36
  Well, That was occurring in the summer makers.
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  There's some boobs on a wall, that's not good set and say
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  oh yeah the the sanitary product.
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  Is it Sanitary products? Or is it what is it?
• 31:08
  No, I'm shaving in it. Saving it because it's wobbling,
• 31:16
  very precariously. All this has got one of my
• 31:19
  favorite lines in this scene. What's that when it comes up
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  call them? I think this is a fucking cheek.
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  They sent him off to get the money.
• 31:31
  He's come back with a money and then they shove a poker in his
• 31:33
  face. Yeah.
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  And so do with us either what I do Do is, what is strange is in
• 31:44
  a minute. The decision is made within the
• 31:47
  script that they suddenly just follow the doctor so they're
• 31:50
  threatening him here and then he's like, you know, you know,
• 31:53
  we can do it. This is the line I love.
• 31:56
  The Tom has Once Upon a Time. How do I hold on?
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  Once upon a time. There were three sisters!
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  No! Sorry!
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  I got the wrong. I'm sorry.
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  I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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  I was waiting to find out how that was the most memorable
• 32:09
  life. No no it's just something
• 32:13
  Robert. Holmes needs the rebels to be
• 32:15
  fighting the system. So they go from the doctor makes
• 32:18
  one rousing speech, they kind of go rude and then suddenly,
• 32:21
  they're on inside and then they're off.
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  Yeah shit. Don't know if it would be that
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  simple. I wonder if it's, if it's a been
• 32:28
  a six part of, they might have done a bit more, that's doing
• 32:31
  this with drag out for six. About innovation of time.
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  Does any old look at the shop? Now, the camera panning around
• 32:39
  the corridor. I think this is a really nice
• 32:41
  shot. Hang on.
• 32:41
  Yeah, so this is what I mean, it's Photoshop.
• 32:44
  And you know what? It's like, teasing, look.
• 32:46
  You're going to see Louise Jameson in for what we turn this
• 32:49
  corner. No, look, I don't want to be
• 32:53
  that. That person that every time the
• 32:54
  waters on screen, I'm saying and how beautiful she is because how
• 32:58
  fucking sex is, so she is gorgeous.
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  No, she is good. She is good.
• 33:01
  That, that Trader that she did for the Blu-ray.
• 33:04
  For season 14, I would put that's not how beautiful is she
• 33:08
  now? Like, some people like grow into
• 33:13
  their looks and some people had them all along and always
• 33:16
  Jameson. The thing is, is she pays
• 33:22
  accident? That's it.
• 33:23
  We've made it. Yeah.
• 33:26
  What was the end of she pairs acting talent and looks, She's
• 33:33
  devastating shift. And I've promised we'd go out on
• 33:38
  a song. So, here we go.
• 33:41
  You ready? I might oh, okay, David.
• 33:44
  If this episode goes out, you know what, we're going to be,
• 33:47
  don't you? Go on.
• 33:50
  I'm scared popular. We're gonna be popular.
• 33:55
  How does an expert go? But I don't know.
• 33:58
  I'm sorry, I let you down. David oi very, very popular.
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  Like me, there is styling Mumsy and popsicle my dear oven.
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  Oh no, I've gone to another song.
• 34:13
  I'm literally doing the whole of wicked.
• 34:15
  I'm so so one-man show. Okay, but there's one day, you
• 34:18
  will know. It's time to try Defying
• 34:24
  Gravity. I don't know what I'm going to
• 34:25
  do. William Shatner, just talk here.
• 34:27
  Okay, Defying Gravity Gravity. It's time to add the rest of the
• 34:32
  words, physically, but look there's no, I can't remember the
• 34:38
  words over. And on that bombshell, join us
• 34:41
  for episode 3. Hakuna Matata do do, do do do.
• 34:45
  What a wonderful phrase.