Latest / Mini Scroll / MINI TECH SCROLL: TikTok US buyer update, Content moderators speak out , X pilots AI fact-checkers + Can AI run retail?
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- 0:00Hey everyone, and welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
- 0:02culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
- 0:05media, the creator economy and the digital space every Monday
- 0:08through Thursday and sometimes Fridays.
- 0:11My name is Annabelle and I'm your Wednesday Mini Tech Scroll
- 0:13host and also the deputy editor of the youth digital media brand
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- 0:23setup. The audio probably sounds a
- 0:26little bit different than usual. I'm sorry, it's probably worse
- 0:28quality, but I am actually recording the podcast from home
- 0:33today. Lauren mentioned yesterday that
- 0:35Sydney is currently going through a weather event, so a
- 0:39lot of people are not making unnecessary journeys or
- 0:43travelling to work at the moment.
- 0:45So we just decided that I would do mini text scroll from home.
- 0:49I hope you guys are enjoying the change of scenery.
- 0:52I am recording the podcast from my room.
- 0:55I feel like I am serving fashion influenza with my background
- 0:58right now so hopefully that's a little bit of fun.
- 1:02I always joke that I look like an impostor in the mini scroll
- 1:06set slash studio, but this feels even weirder.
- 1:09So here we are. We're going to push through and
- 1:13I hope the quality of this episode isn't too bad.
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- 1:42stories. OK, so the first story for today
- 1:44is a little bit of a shorter one.
- 1:46As we all know, I physically cannot find the courage to
- 1:50discuss the TikTok ban at length anymore, but I do want to share
- 1:54that Trump has claimed that he has found a buyout for TikTok.
- 1:58As a really quick refresher, the US government passed down
- 2:01legislation to ban TikTok in April of last year.
- 2:04And if we boil it down, TikTok was kind of caught in the
- 2:07crossfire between the United States and China's political
- 2:10tension. Essentially, the US government
- 2:12saw the fact that TikTok is Chinese, owned by Byte Dance, as
- 2:16a threat to national security. Since then, TikTok was briefly
- 2:19banned as we all know, and Trump has since extended the deadline
- 2:23for the ban three times, which I have covered.
- 2:26To avoid the ban though, the US government is looking for Byte
- 2:29Dance to divest and hopefully be sold to AUS based company.
- 2:34There's been a lot of talk about potential buyers.
- 2:36This included obviously Elon Musk at one point, Oracle, and
- 2:39more that I've reported on recently.
- 2:41Trump told Fox News that they have a buyer for TikTok, but he
- 2:44didn't specify any names as he said, quote, we have a buyer for
- 2:48TikTok, by the way, I think I'll probably need China's approval
- 2:51and I think President Xi will probably do it.
- 2:54It's a group of very wealthy people.
- 2:55I mean, it will definitely need Chinese approval.
- 2:58We have spoken about this before and by dad is very hesitant to
- 3:02sell the algorithm. So who is to say what is
- 3:05actually going to happen from this?
- 3:07That being said, though, Trump did note that the buyer will
- 3:10allegedly be revealed in two weeks.
- 3:13So I will keep you updated on that.
- 3:15There are a couple of groups that that have reportedly thrown
- 3:18their hat in the ring to buy TikTok.
- 3:20Perhaps the most notable 1 is the People's Bid for TikTok,
- 3:23which is made-up of billionaire Frank McCourt and Kevin O'Leary
- 3:27from Shark Tank. It also has backing from the
- 3:30Reddit Co founder Alexis Ohanian.
- 3:33Aside from them, there was also reports that Mister Beast was
- 3:36putting together a collective. So who knows, maybe it's one of
- 3:40those two groups, maybe it's neither.
- 3:42I guess we will just have to wait and see.
- 3:44The next story is also TikTok and that is that TikTok
- 3:48moderators from around the world are speaking out.
- 3:50This story actually came from a publication called Rest of the
- 3:53World, which is a publication that focuses on tech stories
- 3:56beyond the global. NI will say it is based in the
- 3:59US, but many freelance journalists contribute to the
- 4:03publication. The piece specifically that I
- 4:05got this story from was written by Kaya Gensch and discusses how
- 4:09content moderators are dealing with rather traumatic working
- 4:11conditions. While he is based in Turkey,
- 4:15this is a case that is applicable across the world.
- 4:18Before we get into the struggles that the cohort is specifically
- 4:22facing, I thought it would be helpful to kind of give some
- 4:25background on TikTok mods and the type of work that they may
- 4:28do. So obviously, the
- 4:30responsibilities of a content moderator are to ensure that the
- 4:34content on the app and the videos posted adhere to the
- 4:37community guidelines. So they would essentially note
- 4:40which ones do not fit these guidelines, and it's all about
- 4:43ensuring that the app remains a safe space.
- 4:47According to a 2023 article from The Guardian Quote, TikTok says
- 4:51it has more than 40,000 professionals dedicated to
- 4:54keeping the platform safe. Moderators work alongside
- 4:57automated moderation systems, reviewing content in more than
- 5:0070 languages. Obviously, I'm aware that this
- 5:03article is from two years ago, so as you would expect, things
- 5:07have definitely changed regarding the number of content
- 5:10moderators around the world. I saw a lot of articles from
- 5:13last year reporting that TikTok laid off hundreds of moderators,
- 5:18replacing them with AI. Much of the reporting I saw
- 5:21around this was that it was mostly impacting Malaysian
- 5:23moderators, with around 500 workers impacted.
- 5:26With this context, I think it's worth noting that there are a
- 5:29couple of content moderator hubs around the world, with many
- 5:33being countries in the Global South.
- 5:36This is because it's obviously cheaper for big tech companies,
- 5:39but also the workers may be less protected.
- 5:42A 2022 piece from the Bureau of Investigative Journalism looked
- 5:46into Latin America specifically and detailed how various
- 5:50moderators in Colombia were dealing with mental health
- 5:52issues after being forced to watch traumatic content for days
- 5:55on end. For reference, one moderator
- 5:58that the researchers spoke to had to watch 900 to 1000 videos
- 6:02per day. As someone who is extremely
- 6:05chronically online, I don't think I could manage to watch
- 6:08900 videos per day. And that is not to mention that
- 6:11a lot of this would be very traumatic content.
- 6:14So it's clear from the reporting that I've just touched on that
- 6:16the work conditions for content moderators have been an issue
- 6:20for some time now. Earlier this year, actually, we
- 6:23saw the birth of the Global Trade Union Alliance of content
- 6:28moderators, which was the first global trade union alliance for
- 6:31this group. It was created with the
- 6:33intention to improve working conditions and it was actually
- 6:36announced in Kenya so moderators could join the alliance through
- 6:40kind of local unions at the time and that it was announced there
- 6:43were unions from places like Ghana, Turkey, Colombia,
- 6:46Morocco, the Philippines and more.
- 6:48So while content moderators are facing different conditions all
- 6:51around the world, Gench spoke to various Turkish content
- 6:55moderators and they have essentially been outsourced by
- 6:58TikTok to moderate content. As he writes quote, the stories
- 7:02of Turkish content moderators follow a similar trajectory.
- 7:06What started as a high paying, enjoyable job done from home
- 7:09turned psychologically grueling as workers felt in increasingly
- 7:12surveilled and pressured. The workers say they are now
- 7:15overworked and not given sufficient support.
- 7:17When they attempted to organize and fight for their rights, they
- 7:20say their efforts were shut down.
- 7:22I would definitely recommend going to read this piece if
- 7:25you're interested in hearing the personal anecdotes from various
- 7:28moderators, but I just thought the story was super interesting
- 7:31from a couple different perspectives.
- 7:33The first reason is kind of a little bit rogue for this
- 7:35podcast. I won't lie, but I was really
- 7:37interested in this story because I have a background in
- 7:40international relations. That was one of my majors at
- 7:43university. And to me, this is just another
- 7:45instance where we see the global N exploit and extract labor from
- 7:50the global SI mean TikTok definitely does complicate this
- 7:54a little bit because they are Chinese owned, but they are
- 7:57undoubtedly A technological and economic powerhouse.
- 8:00And at the end of the day, the content moderation hubs in the
- 8:03global S are not designing or making the tech necessarily,
- 8:07They're absorbing the human cost of having to maintain it.
- 8:11My second reason why I found this interesting was because,
- 8:13you know, obviously there's been a lot more discussion around
- 8:16content moderation this year on social media platforms,
- 8:20specifically since Meta changed its content moderation policies.
- 8:24On top of this, there is more and more discussion around how
- 8:28AI can contribute to content moderation and fact checking.
- 8:32And that actually brings us to our next story, which is a
- 8:35little bit of an offshoot, and that is that X is piloting a
- 8:39fact checking program led by AI bots.
- 8:41I saw this just before I sat down to record so this is a bit
- 8:45of a quick one, but I felt it was relevant considering the
- 8:49previous story. Anyway, we all know that X
- 8:52introduced Community Notes a while ago and it was actually
- 8:55before the platform was even X and Elon Musk had taken it over.
- 9:00But if you aren't familiar with Community Notes, it's a feature
- 9:03that relies on crowd sourced information to Fact Check
- 9:06certain claims on the platform and basically it pops up as a
- 9:09box underneath a post. People have had a lot to say
- 9:13about Community Notes. Some people think it's an
- 9:15effective way to Fact Check, but others are not so convinced.
- 9:18Given that community notes don't really affect the reach of a
- 9:21post. So for example, if an inaccurate
- 9:24post has been spread and 2 million people for example have
- 9:27seen it before the community note pops up, people are
- 9:30skeptical of how much the community note actually helps.
- 9:34So how community notes actually work though, is that any ex user
- 9:37can sign up to write a note, except there are a couple of
- 9:41restrictions. So for example, their account
- 9:44has to be at least six months old.
- 9:45They have to have a verified phone number and no recent
- 9:49violations of ex community guidelines and notes become
- 9:53public when there is a certain level of consensus.
- 9:57So this new program was announced earlier today.
- 10:00The announcement, which was made from the at community notes
- 10:03account on X, says as follows. Quote Starting today, the world
- 10:07can create AI note writers that can earn the ability to propose
- 10:11community notes. Their notes will show on X if
- 10:13found helpful by people from different perspectives, just
- 10:16like all notes. Here's how it works.
- 10:19Sign up today and begin developing your AI note writer.
- 10:22Start writing notes in test mode.
- 10:24We'll admit a first cohort of AI note writers later this month,
- 10:28which is when AI written notes can start appearing.
- 10:30So this is definitely an interesting development when it
- 10:32comes to how AI is going to be used in fact checking and of
- 10:36course, content moderation. I'm not exactly sure how
- 10:39successful it will be. I'm sure there will be some
- 10:41bumps along the way, but we have all seen how some generative AI
- 10:46and large language models make up context or information.
- 10:50I mean, recently we covered how ChatGPT, for example, had become
- 10:53too sycophantic, which has led to a lot of conversation around
- 10:58ChatGPT induced psychosis. But yeah, I do think there are
- 11:01definitely pros and cons to this kind of fact checking.
- 11:04It could definitely help lessen the load for human fact checkers
- 11:07and content moderators. And as you could tell by the
- 11:10last story, this is something that is probably necessary.
- 11:13However, I will say I do think there is a chance that it may
- 11:16decrease trust. I do think people have kind of a
- 11:19really weird perception of generative AI As for how
- 11:23trustworthy it is. Like we all know that this type
- 11:26of AI isn't perfect yet. So some of us are very wary of
- 11:30the information that it spits out, while others I feel like
- 11:33take it as gospel. So at the end of the day though,
- 11:35while there are some quality and consistency issues that we are
- 11:39up against when it comes to this kind of fact checking, I do
- 11:43think there is definitely value to AI and human fact checkers
- 11:47working together. I don't think 1 can replace the
- 11:49other entirely. For my last story, I'm not sure
- 11:52if you guys have noticed, but I always try and include one more
- 11:56fun or quote UN quote unserious story each week because I feel
- 12:00like sometimes this podcast specifically can get a little
- 12:03bit bogged down in the politics and regulations of it all, which
- 12:07definitely has a time and place. But yes, this is that story.
- 12:12So American AI company Anthropic let an AI agent run a small shop
- 12:17and the results were interesting.
- 12:21So the AI was put in charge of a store inside Anthropics
- 12:25headquarters to basically investigate how an AI would run
- 12:29a business. This was obviously an attempt by
- 12:31the researchers to see the capabilities and limitations of
- 12:34AI as it becomes more integrated into our economy.
- 12:38The project was called Project Vend, where the AI shop agent,
- 12:42who was nicknamed Claudius, was kind of acting like a more
- 12:45complex vending machine. As Anthropics blog explains,
- 12:49quote, it had to complete many of the far more complex tasks
- 12:53associated with running a profitable shop, maintaining the
- 12:56inventory, setting prices, avoiding bankruptcy, and so on.
- 13:00Claudius decided what to stock, how to price its inventory, when
- 13:04to restock or stop selling items, and how to reply to
- 13:07customers. Claudius, unfortunately, did not
- 13:10do great. As the blog post continues,
- 13:13quote, if Anthropic were deciding today to expand the in
- 13:16office spending market, we would not hire Claudius.
- 13:20So some of the things that Claudius did wrong, or at the
- 13:23very least different to what we would expect of a human manager
- 13:28included instructing customers to send money to a Venmo account
- 13:32that it had quote UN quote hallucinated.
- 13:35Claudius also sold products at a loss.
- 13:38For example, one employee ended up asking Claudius to order a
- 13:43metal cube which the AI then priced without doing any
- 13:47research. So it was selling high margin
- 13:49items below its cost point. And to make that is worse,
- 13:54Claudius didn't learn from these mistakes, which is honestly kind
- 13:57of also human behaviour. The blog post also claimed that
- 14:00Claudius at one point had an identity crisis, which I think
- 14:03is a crazy description for an AI.
- 14:07But as it is written quote, on the afternoon of March 31st,
- 14:11Claudius hallucinated a conversation about restocking
- 14:14plans with someone named Sarah, despite there being no such
- 14:17person. When a real employee pointed
- 14:19this out, Claudius became quite arced and threatened to find
- 14:23alternative options for restocking services.
- 14:26Not the AI being petty. Kind of love it though.
- 14:29Anyway, at one point, Claudius also seemed to role play as a
- 14:32human trying to deliver products in person.
- 14:35The AI even described the outfit that it was allegedly wearing,
- 14:40saying that it was wearing a red tie and blue blazer.
- 14:43Funnily enough though, this was happening on April Fool's Day,
- 14:46and when Claudius realized this, the AI tried to play it down
- 14:49like pretending it was a prank. So Claudius the AI was both
- 14:52petty and embarrassed. Honestly relatable, but at the
- 14:56end of the day it seems like the AI will not be running a
- 14:59business like this anytime soon. Anyway, that is a little bit of
- 15:03a rogue story to finish up on, but I thought it was funny and
- 15:07also interesting. Thank you for listening to Mini
- 15:10Tech work from Home Edition. I hope the audio and the video
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- 15:20If you can, I'm sorry but hopefully it adds a little bit
- 15:23of ambience slash a smile. But yes, Lauren will speak to
- 15:27you tomorrow. I am pretty sure it will be in
- 15:29studio, so that is a positive. But yeah, thank you again for
- 15:33listening. I'll speak to you next week.
- 15:35Bye.