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The Kenny Report | 15 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: I'm here at one of my favorite places in the world, Bondi,
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Speaker 2: rocked into an eerie silence by an unthinkable massacre. I'll
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Speaker 2: have the whole program for you from here tonight, covering
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Speaker 2: all the angles and the anger, with Denika de Giorgio,
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Speaker 2: Josh Friedenberg, Michaulia Cash, gemton Yuni, Paul Rubinstein and Moore.
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Speaker 2: Before I go any further, though, let me show you
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Speaker 2: the details we know about the victims. We don't know
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Speaker 2: all the people who have been killed, all the fifteen
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Speaker 2: who have been killed yet, they have not all been named.
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Speaker 2: We know the youngest was Matilda, aged ten, Alexander Kletman,
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Speaker 2: Daniel Epkiman, Peter Mayer, Rabbi Elie Schlangen, Reuven Morrison, Rabbi
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Speaker 2: Yakov Leveton, and Timour Whitson. Fifteen people all up. We
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Speaker 2: don't have all their names yet, and there are forty
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Speaker 2: two in hospital Bondai Beach on a summer Sunday, Fifteen
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Speaker 2: people killed in an Islamist terrorist atrocity. The youngest victim
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Speaker 2: a ten year old girl named Matilda. You could hardly
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Speaker 2: get a more Australian setting for such an UnAustralian act.
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Speaker 2: Bon Dai has become our ground zero in the fight
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Speaker 2: against anti Semitism and Islamist extremism. If Ballei was our
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven, then yesterday's barbarity was our October seventh,
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Speaker 2: today is the eleventh anniversary of the Lint Cafe siege.
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Speaker 2: But time and again our politicians, especially Anthony Albernesi and
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Speaker 2: this government ignore the warnings, They deny the obvious, and
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Speaker 2: they avert their eyes, so we end up with this
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Speaker 2: to fill the hanuka. It was what we all feared most,
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Speaker 2: a mass casualty attack. We'd seen cars graffited, shops vandalized,
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Speaker 2: synagogues burned.
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Speaker 1: And our leaders did far too little.
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Speaker 2: We saw almost daily protests caused to eliminate Israel from
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Speaker 2: the river to the sea and chance for death to
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Speaker 2: the IDF and even right here on Bondai Beach just
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Speaker 2: three months ago, chanced to globalize the Interfada.
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Speaker 3: It's just not normal.
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Speaker 2: Yet still we were told the government had it under control.
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Speaker 2: Yet we now have seen what globalizing the Interfada means.
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Speaker 2: When we heard and saw celebrations after October the seventh.
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Speaker 2: Nothing happened when they chanted at the opera house. We
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Speaker 2: were told, don't worry. They didn't say gas the Jews.
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Speaker 2: They said where's the Jews? As if that's any better,
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Speaker 2: Where are the Jews? Well they're here at Bondi threatened
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Speaker 2: and intimidated for two years, abandoned for two years, and
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Speaker 2: now fifteen people, innocent, people dead.
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Speaker 4: The Jewish community are hurting today. Today all Australians wrap
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Speaker 4: our arms around them and say we stand with you.
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Speaker 4: We will do whatever is necessary to stamp out anti Semitism.
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Speaker 4: It is a scourge and we will eradicate it together.
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Speaker 1: But he hasn't done all he could.
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Speaker 2: Alberizi has not called out Islamist extremism. He hasn't implemented
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Speaker 2: the recommendations from his Special Envoy against anti Semitism. Even worse,
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Speaker 2: when he appointed her, he also appointed an envoy for Islamophobia.
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Speaker 1: When has that been a problem in Australia.
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Speaker 2: As I said last Thursday in what I thought would
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Speaker 2: be my last editorial of the year, this false equivalence
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Speaker 2: is not only weak, it's dangerous. We've been calling out
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Speaker 2: Albanesi's weakness on this since October ninth, twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong discussed me they have stood
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Speaker 2: by while the Australian Jewish community has been terrorized, and
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Speaker 2: their constant demonization of Israel has only fueled this anti
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Speaker 2: semitism in our country. It is delusional, but it's all
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Speaker 2: so dangerous and it shows just how quickly a national
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Speaker 2: government can make this country less liable, less committed to
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Speaker 2: his traditional values, less supportive of democracy and sovereign rights,
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Speaker 2: and crucially less secure. It's a sickening day for Australia
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Speaker 2: and confirmation that the Albanese labor government is changing this
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Speaker 2: country quite dramatically, quite quickly, and all for the worse.
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Speaker 2: The political left, our own government, most of the media,
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Speaker 2: and the protesters have rewarded terrorism. We just to have
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Speaker 2: to hope now that it doesn't encourage more.
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Speaker 1: Yet.
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Speaker 2: We now know that after a Muslim cleric celebrated the
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Speaker 2: slaughter of Jews in Israel back in October twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: Albanesi spoke the very next day at the lakember Mosque
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Speaker 2: and did not even mention the atrocities of just days earlier,
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Speaker 2: and that same cleric was among other hardline protesters in
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Speaker 2: the August march across the Harbor Bridge. Instead of calling
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Speaker 2: out the extremists, Albanese caved into them. He rewarded terrorists
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Speaker 2: and the extremists and of course the terrorists of Humas
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Speaker 2: by recognizing the non existent state of Palestine.
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Speaker 1: What Anthony Albanesi has.
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Speaker 2: Done today shames our nation and it imperils us. And
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Speaker 2: now we get more reassurance in place of action from
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: Australia will never submit to division, violence or hatred and
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Speaker 4: we will come through this together.
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Speaker 1: But you have submitted to it, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: You have given the anti Israel crewe exactly what they wanted.
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Speaker 2: You've attacked the victims of terrorism rather than those who
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Speaker 2: inspire it. Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin that Yahoo has got
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Speaker 2: your measure.
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Speaker 5: Your government did nothing to start the spread of anti
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Speaker 5: Semitism in US failure. You did nothing to curb the
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Speaker 5: cancer cells that were growing inside your country. You took
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Speaker 5: no action, You let the disease spread and the result
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Speaker 5: is the aurific attacks on Jews we saw today.
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Speaker 2: So what should Albanese do well, He's starting from a
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Speaker 2: terrible place now.
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Speaker 1: This mass killing is.
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Speaker 2: Exactly what we all feared exactly why we called for
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Speaker 2: a tougher stand against Islamist extremism and against anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: all along. Albanese should do now what he failed to do.
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Speaker 2: Then he should go to Muslim communities and talk about
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Speaker 2: how they suffer too from extremists, but make them join
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Speaker 2: in a public battle to root out this extremism. The
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Speaker 2: Iman's Council's first statement after this Bondai massacre didn't even
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Speaker 2: mention Jews or the Jewish community. Ponder that they've since
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Speaker 2: put out a new statement that does mention them. Albanese
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Speaker 2: needs to do what is anti Semitism Envoy has asked,
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Speaker 2: including provide stronger policing and security, but he needs primarily
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Speaker 2: to call out the actual problem, the ideology. Terrorists will
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Speaker 2: use knives, guns, cars, planes, fire whatever they can. You
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Speaker 2: can't battle Islamist extremism without taking on the hatred. Police
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Speaker 2: today refused to even discuss the obvious motivations for this
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Speaker 2: evil thession.
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Speaker 6: There are reports of black Isis blood was great over
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Speaker 6: the gun's car.
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Speaker 7: A police aware of this is a blood being recovered.
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Speaker 8: That's all part of the investigation. As I'd have said before,
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Speaker 8: I'd rather not comment on that ride at the moment. Obviously,
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Speaker 8: we will look at the motives behind this attack, and
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Speaker 8: I think that's really important as part of the investigation.
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Speaker 8: Our investigation will be thorough and we will be happy
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Speaker 8: to provide further information.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but one of the terrorists was on an ASO
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Speaker 2: watch list, yet he still did this, still got access
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Speaker 2: to guns, which of course was a mistake to be sure,
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Speaker 2: but a welcome distraction really for the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: Government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary. Included
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Speaker 4: in that is the need for tougher gun laws.
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Speaker 2: The gun debate is a distraction because even without guns,
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Speaker 2: extremist rick havoc. We've seen that time and time again.
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Speaker 2: When you focus on guns, you miss the main point,
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Speaker 2: the ideology, the motivation. The Islamist extremist ideology is hard
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Speaker 2: for those of us who love life to understand. But
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Speaker 2: it's about chaos. It's about scaring Jews away away from everywhere,
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Speaker 2: and the Christians then we're all fair game in pursuit
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Speaker 2: of a global Islamist caliphate.
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Speaker 1: This chaos, this trauma.
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Speaker 2: The weakness of our governments, well that's exactly what they
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Speaker 2: want to see.
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Speaker 1: And right now today Australia is.
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Speaker 2: Weaker than it was last week, and the Islamists are
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Speaker 2: stronger than inspired. Good people are scared, Good innocent people
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Speaker 2: are dead.
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Speaker 1: You can't reason with this, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: I implore you for the two hundredth time, take it on.
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Speaker 1: And what can we do? You and I? We need
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Speaker 1: to accept that this is our problem.
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Speaker 2: This is not just a horrible dilemma for the Jewish
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Speaker 2: community alone. It's an assault on our country, our values
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Speaker 2: and our future. Speak up, condemn it. Don't cower in
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Speaker 2: the face of the extremists. We outnumber them. They're just
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Speaker 2: a lot noisier. If Australia stands for anything, it stands against.
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Speaker 1: This what we've seen here.
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Speaker 2: We can't accept weak leadership anymore. Let me cross now
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Speaker 2: to the former deputy leader of the Federal Liberal part
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Speaker 2: reformer Treasurer Josh Frodenberg, who's been outspoken against anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: over the past few years.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Josh.
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Speaker 2: Tell us how this has just what we've seen unfolded
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Speaker 2: here't folding in BONDI a place you know?
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the sum of all our fears, isn't it.
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Speaker 9: Well, this is our worst nightmare, and as you rightly
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Speaker 9: pointed out in your introduction, many of us have been
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Speaker 9: warning that this day will come if the government did
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Speaker 9: not take sufficients and strong action to safeguarded citizens. But
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Speaker 9: now we're mourning the last of sixteen lives, including ten
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Speaker 9: year old Matilda, Holocaust survivors rabbis. It's unthinkable that in
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Speaker 9: many ways it was predictable because it was not an
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Speaker 9: isolated or spontaneous response to the event of October the seventh.
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Speaker 9: What we have seen since two and a half years
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Speaker 9: ago is just act of violence and harassment and intimidation
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Speaker 9: and hatred after act, and it's all culminated in this
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Speaker 9: horrific massacre on our national icon, Bondi Beach.
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Speaker 2: Josh Rodenberg, let me pick you up there and correct you.
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Speaker 2: We do not mourn sixteen people. We mourn fifteen people.
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Speaker 2: We do not mourn the terrorist in this case. We're right,
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Speaker 2: sixteen deaths, fifteen innocent people killed. Now, Josh, you have
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Speaker 2: warned about this for two years. You've been so prominent
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Speaker 2: on this. You were instrumental in the sky News documentary
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Speaker 2: about anti Semitism and the anti Semitism Summit the sky
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Speaker 2: News hosted just up the road here.
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Speaker 1: What is it most. What are the top few things.
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Speaker 2: That Anthony Arberizi has failed to do and what he
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Speaker 2: could do tomorrow.
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Speaker 9: Well, as you know, in that documentary, I interviewed John
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Speaker 9: Howard Chris and I asked John Howard what would he
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Speaker 9: have done if he was Prime Minister at the time
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Speaker 9: of October the seventh. He said his first call would
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Speaker 9: be to the opposition leader Kim Beasley, and he would
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Speaker 9: ask Kim Beasley to stand with him in the Prime
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Speaker 9: minister or a courtyard and to send a message to
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Speaker 9: every Australian that these were the red lines that were
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Speaker 9: not to be crossed. But that has not been done
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Speaker 9: by a Prime minister. So when there's marches over the
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Speaker 9: bridge the Sydney Harmbor Bridge, people are waiving Hamas and
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Speaker 9: Hesbalara and Isis flags and enchanting death to the idf
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Speaker 9: or without sanction. And when we see on the steps
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Speaker 9: of the Opera House and the hours after the Hamas
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Speaker 9: attack people celebrating it, and as you say, Muslim and
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Speaker 9: religious leaders celebrating the attack, there has not been sufficient sanction.
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Speaker 9: And then we see daily weekly protests across our cities,
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Speaker 9: all of which are acting as incubators of hate, and
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Speaker 9: then on campuses, Jewish students and Jewish staff are harassed
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Speaker 9: and intimidated. Jewish artists like Deborah Conway canceled and docked.
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Speaker 9: Jewish businesses are boycotted day after day. There's unacceptable conduct
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Speaker 9: in our country, yet our government seems to be tolerating
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Speaker 9: the intolerable. And that is what has occurred over the
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Speaker 9: last two and a half years, and that is what
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Speaker 9: has culminated in the massacre of Bonda.
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Speaker 1: Just before I let you go, Josh, I want to
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Speaker 1: show you what we heard.
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Speaker 2: What we've heard some comments from Jewish leader David Ossip.
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Speaker 10: Have look two years ago on the fore court of
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Speaker 10: the opera house, Anti Seamites chanted f the Jews and
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Speaker 10: where are the Jews? Sadly, last night they found the Jews.
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Speaker 10: For two years, people have paraded in our streets and
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Speaker 10: universities calling for the interfada to be globalized, a catchphrase
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Speaker 10: which means kill Jews wherever you find them. Last night,
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Speaker 10: the Interfarata was globalized.
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Speaker 2: Josh Friedenberg, will you be seeking a meeting with Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albinisi and let him know what he needs to do.
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Speaker 9: I'll leave that to the Jewish leadership of our community.
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Speaker 9: Which no doubt is engaging as we speak with our
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Speaker 9: intelligence and security agencies. But the point that must be
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Speaker 9: made is that everything has to be on the table
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Speaker 9: and everything has to change from here. Nothing can be
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Speaker 9: the same. And you're right, gun reform is important, but
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Speaker 9: it's by no means the only response. The Prime Minister,
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Speaker 9: the Human Rights Commission, our leaders at universities, our religious
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Speaker 9: leaders need to take on the hatred, the vitriol that
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Speaker 9: is just commonplace now and normalized in our society because
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Speaker 9: what we've seen over the last two and a half
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Speaker 9: years is a lack of action has only in boldened
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Speaker 9: those who hate and those who harm. And enough is enough.
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Speaker 9: It's time the Prime Minister stood up. He led, He
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Speaker 9: took personal responsibility, and there was accountability for him, for
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Speaker 9: his Home Affairs ministers, and for everyone else who has
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Speaker 9: questions to answer after this horrible, horrible attack at our
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Speaker 9: iconic Bondi Beach.
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Speaker 2: Yep spot on. Josh Ridenburg, thanks so much for joining
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Speaker 2: us here. This is a terrible massacre that's occurred on
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi's watched despite two years of warnings. Now when
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Speaker 2: you saw the news breaking here on Sky News last night,
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Speaker 2: Danika de Georgio, Sky News' host was in the chair
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Speaker 2: in the studio bringing you all the horrible events unfolding here.
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Speaker 1: She joins me.
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Speaker 2: Now, after spending the day speaking to people around here, Danika,
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Speaker 2: it is eerie. It is a somber tell me about
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Speaker 2: what you've found, what you've heard here today.
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Speaker 11: It's almost hard cris to put into words the mood
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Speaker 11: here tonight. It is an eerie feeling. And anybody who
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Speaker 11: knows Bondi knows this is a joyous area. It's full
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Speaker 11: of love, life and laughter. And today we've seen a
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Speaker 11: steady stream of people come in, pay their respects, lay flowers,
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Speaker 11: many in tears. It was about twenty minutes ago I
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Speaker 11: saw a woman in a Quantus uniform come down bawling
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Speaker 11: her eyes out. It's touched everyone because this is not
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Speaker 11: just an assault on Jews. This is an assault on
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Speaker 11: Australians and all of our values. And I caught up
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Speaker 11: with members of the Jewish community today. Many were at
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Speaker 11: the Hanaker event last night here on Bondi Beach, and
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Speaker 11: they speak for themselves. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 12: While we were down on the ground, we were just praying.
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Speaker 3: There was mothers crying, people dead, on the streets.
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Speaker 13: Penny Wong, wake up, It's time to wake up.
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Speaker 1: This is on you.
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Speaker 13: The blood is on your hands, and wake up.
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Speaker 14: Australia.
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Speaker 12: We started hearing some shots and initially I thought it
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Speaker 12: was firecrackers. We were on the ground closest to the
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Speaker 12: point of where the kid's ground playground is fairly close
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Speaker 12: to where the entrance to this area was, and it
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Speaker 12: was a gated to the area, so we were in
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Speaker 12: fact trapped in that space. You couldn't run because it
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Speaker 12: was an open space. They were there waiting to shoot,
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Speaker 12: and they were shooting to kill.
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Speaker 1: I felt like I was at nova. That's how it felt.
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Speaker 11: I was behind at tent with about twelve people.
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Speaker 1: We were all cowering together.
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Speaker 11: I was half on top of this lady, this poor
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Speaker 11: woman who couldn't find her daughter, her little girl.
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Speaker 15: I'm an empt equivalent, so medical first responder, and.
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Speaker 11: Tell us what you saw when you got here last night.
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Speaker 1: It was absolutely obscene.
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Speaker 15: It was horrific. People in today's day get to see
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Speaker 15: it online. But yeah, you know, people lying down, kids, screaming,
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Speaker 15: parents frantically looking for kids. At best, at worst, you've
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Speaker 15: got gunshot wounds, people bleeding up from any part of
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Speaker 15: their body.
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Speaker 11: What's going through your minds at that time?
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Speaker 1: What were you thinking?
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Speaker 12: I'm going this is this excuse my language, and this
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Speaker 12: is being real. This is happening, and it's happening right now.
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Speaker 12: This could be our last moment. I was praying.
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Speaker 3: There was mothers crying, people dead on the streets, just sad.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 3: It was just I saw a dead person. I saw
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Speaker 3: people getting like haled into the ambulances. It was just
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Speaker 3: the most horrific thing I've.
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Speaker 1: Ever seen as a mother.
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Speaker 11: What was going through your head when you tracked your
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Speaker 11: phone and found out that your son was here at
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Speaker 11: the scene of such a tragedy.
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Speaker 7: That was absolutely terrified. I thought we had lost him.
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Speaker 7: He's totally traumatized, and you know, he said someone had
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Speaker 7: their brains blown apart in front of him. Took for
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Speaker 7: shir to try and help him, and I think for
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Speaker 7: a fifteen year old, it's just too hard to comprehend.
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Speaker 11: You're wearing You're Never Again is Now t shirt today?
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Speaker 16: Why I bought this T shirt after October seven.
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Speaker 7: And today walking around Bonti, it's exactly like.
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Speaker 16: What October eighth felt like. It was eerie, it was quieted.
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Speaker 17: In the Jewish community.
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Speaker 18: You're thinking, I think we're gonna I'd ask you if
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Speaker 18: we need to do we need to go?
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Speaker 16: Where can we go?
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Speaker 13: There were so many warning signs to this, and it's
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Speaker 13: almost like we weren't protected. But the red flags were
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Speaker 13: there from October eighth when he allowed this to happen.
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Speaker 13: Why was this allowed to happen? And then they kept
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Speaker 13: protesting and you kept allowing it, and you kept allowing it.
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Speaker 1: A rabbi was shot.
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Speaker 13: He was meant to do my son's bum mits for
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Speaker 13: next week.
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Speaker 16: Why this is what it's taken for Australia and STU fine,
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Speaker 16: at least that happens to beak up because we have
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Speaker 16: felt so alone, Like we have felt so alone, you know,
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Speaker 16: like only we.
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Speaker 18: Can understand this trauma and the opera house steps, the
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Speaker 18: by bombings, the vandalism, walking around, seeing stickers everywhere people,
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Speaker 18: you know, the cars coming from other suburbs with the
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Speaker 18: flags flying, and you know, and I think Australians have
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Speaker 18: honestly thought that this was just.
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Speaker 1: A Jewish problem.
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Speaker 16: And now I think they've woken up and it's taken.
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Speaker 18: You know, fifteen of our community members.
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Speaker 1: Missed out.
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Speaker 18: But easy, your time is now you either need to
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Speaker 18: step aside, step down or stand up.
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Speaker 11: Is Australia safe for Jewish Australians?
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Speaker 1: Okay, what's happened?
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Speaker 13: Look at the people around us.
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Speaker 1: We are not safe.
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Speaker 13: The Australian government.
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Speaker 15: Needs to wake up.
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong, wake up. It's time to wake up. This
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Speaker 1: is on you.
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Speaker 13: The blood is on your hands. This is also on
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Speaker 13: New Albanize you and it's the truth.
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Speaker 2: Extraordinary interviews, Denika, extraordinary. The emotion here is so high,
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Speaker 2: but there's a level of comforting here. People are comforting
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Speaker 2: each other.
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Speaker 1: Also so much resolve. Yes, to overcome this. There is resolve.
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Speaker 11: I think there's a lot of frustration in the community
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Speaker 11: right now. I had people coming to me today from
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Speaker 11: the Jewish community saying, what do we do next?
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Speaker 1: Where do we go from here?
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Speaker 11: Because this is what they have been saying for over
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Speaker 11: two years now, Chris, and it's culminated in what we
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Speaker 11: saw last night and you heard it from their interviews.
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Speaker 11: They're saying, Prime Minister, this is on your hands.
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Speaker 1: And they've been telling me today. We knew it was coming.
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Speaker 1: We all knew it was coming. We were telling you exactly.
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Speaker 11: They knew it was coming. So yes, I do agree
22:56
Speaker 11: there is a level of resolve here. Everybody is here
22:59
Speaker 11: to comfort one they put their hands around another. But
23:02
Speaker 11: there's also a lot of confusion as to where they
23:04
Speaker 11: go next, because, as one woman told me, we feel
23:08
Speaker 11: like we're in hiding.
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Speaker 15: Where do we go from here?
23:11
Speaker 11: It's just unfathomable and you can't put it into words.
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Speaker 2: If there's one key message though, it is that this
23:18
Speaker 2: is our problem. This is not the Jewish community's problem,
23:23
Speaker 2: the Australians who happen to be Jewish.
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Speaker 1: This is a massive challenge for all Australians right, it.
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Speaker 11: Is a massive challenge for all Australians. Now it is
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Speaker 11: our time, I guess, for all of Australia to wake
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Speaker 11: up and say this is not just an assault, This
23:35
Speaker 11: is not just happening to Jewish Australians, because it's now
23:37
Speaker 11: our values are at risk and they have been at
23:40
Speaker 11: risk for the last two years. And the sad part
23:42
Speaker 11: is the saddest part out of all of this. It's
23:44
Speaker 11: taken a massacre, a massacre of this scale for Australians
23:49
Speaker 11: to go actually, we do have a problem.
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Speaker 1: Just extraordinary. Thanks so much to Nika, Thank you so much.
23:54
Speaker 2: We better take a break after the breaking on the
23:56
Speaker 2: catch up with a member of the Jewish community here
23:58
Speaker 2: at Bondai with the Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Michayla Cash.
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Speaker 1: Don't go away.
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Speaker 2: I'm Chris Kenny here at the Bondai pavilion where people
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Speaker 2: have been laying flowers at this makeshift memorium here commemoration
24:16
Speaker 2: all day. We are expecting the New South Wales Premier
24:19
Speaker 2: Chris Men's opposition leader Kelly Sloan, Police Commissioner mal Langen,
24:23
Speaker 2: and the Governor of New South Wales, Missus Beasley, to
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Speaker 2: arrive here soon and they'll be joining the ceremony here.
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Speaker 1: So we'll cut to those pictures live when they happen.
24:34
Speaker 2: But let me bring in a member of the Jewish community,
24:37
Speaker 2: Marney Perstein, the Money, who we've spoken to you throughout
24:41
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. It's good to see you
24:42
Speaker 2: again in the flesh.
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Speaker 1: Marl Money.
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Speaker 2: Just want you tell me what it's been like for
24:46
Speaker 2: your community, seeing your worst fears unfold.
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Speaker 17: It has been shocking, and yet no one in the
24:55
Speaker 17: community is actually surprised. We really actually expected that something
25:02
Speaker 17: like this could happen, and we have been dreading it.
25:05
Speaker 17: But we've been kicking and screaming For two years.
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Speaker 2: You've been in the media, You've been on my show
25:11
Speaker 2: a number of times. You're very active on the social media.
25:13
Speaker 2: You've been lobbying politicians, bringing it to people's attention, trying
25:17
Speaker 2: to get other media interested in it.
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Speaker 1: Why do you feel that nobody's been listening to the warnings.
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Speaker 17: I don't know why our government hasn't been listening to
25:26
Speaker 17: the warnings. I don't understand why there hasn't been decisive action.
25:32
Speaker 17: I don't understand why straight after the events at the
25:34
Speaker 17: Opera House there wasn't policy reform, there weren't arrest made.
25:38
Speaker 17: There are just so many things that I don't understand.
25:42
Speaker 17: I don't understand why the Muslim Brotherhood and his but
25:44
Speaker 17: Career were designated as terrorist organizations, and why it took
25:48
Speaker 17: our government so long to designate the Iranian regime. But
25:52
Speaker 17: what I can't what I find so sad today is
25:55
Speaker 17: I look at the crowd behind us, is that it's
25:57
Speaker 17: taken a mass and a shooting for regular Australians to
26:03
Speaker 17: try and understand the plight of a tiny little community.
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Speaker 2: This is a point I've made many times when speaking
26:08
Speaker 2: with the Jewish communities. Is there Jewish community is strong here.
26:12
Speaker 2: Anybody living in the eastern suburbs of Sydney or in
26:17
Speaker 2: those southeastern suburbs of Melbourne will be in contact with
26:22
Speaker 2: the Jewish community. But there are large parts of the
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Speaker 2: country that don't even know Jewish people that they think
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Speaker 2: it's someone else's problem. I think I'm not attacking them
26:30
Speaker 2: for it, but they're not confronted with guards out the
26:34
Speaker 2: front of schools and childcare centers and synagogue. We need
26:37
Speaker 2: to convince all of Australia that this is their problem.
26:40
Speaker 2: We all share this problem because it's an assault.
26:43
Speaker 1: On all of us.
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Speaker 17: This is absolutely an Australian problem. Yesterday may have been
26:49
Speaker 17: a shooting aimed at Jewish people celebrating Kanaka, but there
26:52
Speaker 17: could have been many people in the crowd on Bondo
26:55
Speaker 17: Beach who had no affiliation with that event. And it
26:58
Speaker 17: may start with a Jewish event, but it never ends
27:01
Speaker 17: in a Jewish capacity. If you look at a lot
27:03
Speaker 17: of other terrorist attacks, they're much much broader, and I
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Speaker 17: fear that Australia could and will possibly still see something
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Speaker 17: like that.
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Speaker 2: I've spoken to so many Jewish people over the past
27:15
Speaker 2: two years who have said they feel ostracized in Australia.
27:18
Speaker 1: They feel scared and under threat in Australia.
27:20
Speaker 2: Some have even contemplated moving to Israel or the US
27:24
Speaker 2: because they think they would feel more secure there. How
27:26
Speaker 2: much more palpable is that after yesterday's massacre?
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Speaker 17: It is more palpable. And ironically, my youngest son is
27:35
Speaker 17: in Israel right now on a school trip with one
27:37
Speaker 17: hundred and twenty students, and they rang me. The whole
27:40
Speaker 17: group rang me last night trying to understand what was
27:43
Speaker 17: going on. And I said to them, for two years,
27:45
Speaker 17: the parent cohort has been meeting to decide whether it
27:48
Speaker 17: was safe enough to send them to Israel and whether
27:51
Speaker 17: they would be secure. And ironically, we are now so
27:55
Speaker 17: grateful that they are there, because if they were here
27:57
Speaker 17: last night, they would have been on Bondi Beach. So
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Speaker 17: it is very ironic that we send our children to
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Speaker 17: a country that's been at war for two years and
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Speaker 17: that we feel they are actually safer.
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Speaker 2: Their I spoke to a family today who would arrived
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Speaker 2: from Israel four holidays with teenage daughters to this they
28:13
Speaker 2: want to go.
28:13
Speaker 1: Back to Israel. How do we get our heads.
28:16
Speaker 2: Around a grown man shooting dead a ten year old girl.
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Speaker 17: I don't believe that we can get our heads around that.
28:23
Speaker 17: I spoke to someone at three point thirty this morning
28:25
Speaker 17: who was at the beach and involved in the attack.
28:28
Speaker 17: She was there with her family. She flew on top
28:32
Speaker 17: of her two year old and they witnessed two people
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Speaker 17: being shot right next to them, and there was blood
28:37
Speaker 17: all over her. She has moved here from France because
28:39
Speaker 17: she wanted to escape anti Semitism in Europe.
28:42
Speaker 1: So I don't.
28:43
Speaker 17: Believe we can get our heads around losing a child,
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Speaker 17: or a Holocaust survivor, or any innocent civilians, Jewish.
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Speaker 1: Or not Jewish. Absolutely, thanks so much for joining us
28:53
Speaker 1: at a secret time moment.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for everything, prominent member of the Jewish community here
28:58
Speaker 2: in Sydney. To go to Perth now and catch up
29:01
Speaker 2: with the shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Michaelia Cash.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Michaelia.
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Speaker 2: Does the Albertezi government and in particular the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: bear any sense of culpability for the way that anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism and Islamist extremism has been expressed here in Bondo.
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Speaker 1: Yes they do.
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Speaker 6: This has been a complete, total and utter failure of
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Speaker 6: leadership by our Prime Minister.
29:26
Speaker 14: The Jewish people.
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Speaker 6: For over two years now, since October the eighth, when
29:30
Speaker 6: we saw those horrific scenes on the Sydney Opera House,
29:34
Speaker 6: have been calling for leadership from our Prime Minister, and
29:38
Speaker 6: each time he has stood up, Chris and provided us
29:41
Speaker 6: with nothing more than weasel words. He has chosen appeasement
29:46
Speaker 6: over consequences. And now we wake up today as Australians
29:52
Speaker 6: in a changed country. Chris, this is not the Australia
29:57
Speaker 6: I know and love. Jewish people were slaughtered on Bondi
30:02
Speaker 6: Beach because anti Semitism has been allowed to take hold
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Speaker 6: under the Alberanese government. Today mister Albanesi stood up and
30:11
Speaker 6: said he will do whatever it takes to combat anti Semitism.
30:17
Speaker 6: Will guess what, Chris. We are going to hold the
30:20
Speaker 6: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: To his word.
30:23
Speaker 6: Enough of the excuses, enough of the weasel words. The
30:28
Speaker 6: first thing the Prime Minister needs to answer, Chris, is
30:30
Speaker 6: this Gillian Sigal, your hand picked envoy. She did not
30:36
Speaker 6: provide you six months ago with a list of slogans,
30:41
Speaker 6: Prime Minister Albanesi. Jillian Sigal provided you and your government
30:46
Speaker 6: with a to do list.
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Speaker 1: You have not even had the.
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Speaker 6: Decency to respond to your own hand picked envoys report.
30:56
Speaker 6: What are you going to do? And as Susan Lee
30:59
Speaker 6: has made clear, Chris, if we need to recall the Parliament,
31:04
Speaker 6: we stand ready to return to Canberra to change the laws.
31:09
Speaker 6: The laws are clearly not strong enough. The Sigal Report
31:14
Speaker 6: deserves implementation immediately and we stand ready to do it.
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Speaker 1: Sure does, Sure does.
31:22
Speaker 2: You're seeing live pictures now of the commemoration here at
31:25
Speaker 2: Ondi Pavilion where people have been turning up and laying
31:28
Speaker 2: wreaths all day. Many people have made speeches or said
31:32
Speaker 2: silent prayers. Others have spoken to the audiences here, and
31:36
Speaker 2: we're waiting on the new South Wales Premier Chris Men's
31:38
Speaker 2: as well. But just to explain those pictures you're seeing there,
31:41
Speaker 2: there have been all sorts of comments made, speeches made,
31:46
Speaker 2: and performances if you like, sharing thoughts and emotions with
31:52
Speaker 2: people here as they've come and gone all day. Michaelia,
31:55
Speaker 2: I want to let you know that I started the
31:57
Speaker 2: day this morning in our rat in Western Victoria, and
32:01
Speaker 2: I saw a couple of women walking their dog at
32:03
Speaker 2: six o'clock in the morning as I was trying to
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Speaker 2: get back here, and I asked them how they felt
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Speaker 2: about Bondi. It's very close to me. This is a
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Speaker 2: beach I come to every day. And they were gut
32:12
Speaker 2: wrenched and they teared up and they said the government
32:16
Speaker 2: needs to look at immigration. Is immigration part of the
32:19
Speaker 2: discussion here?
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Speaker 6: I think we have to have a very serious discussion Chris,
32:25
Speaker 6: now about values based immigration. Yes, this was an attack,
32:29
Speaker 6: a direct attack on the Jewish community. Members of the
32:32
Speaker 6: Jewish community were slaughtered last night on Bondi Beach. But
32:36
Speaker 6: this was also an attack on all of Australia, on
32:40
Speaker 6: our way of life, on our safety, on our culture,
32:43
Speaker 6: on the Australia that we love and hold so dear.
32:47
Speaker 6: So yes, I am very prepared now Chris, to have
32:51
Speaker 6: an open conversation on the type of Australia that we need.
32:55
Speaker 6: But again, shame on the Prime Minister because Gillian Segal,
32:59
Speaker 6: in one of her recommendations, said we needed to look
33:03
Speaker 6: at settings and in particular the ability to cancel a
33:06
Speaker 6: visa as quickly and efficiently as possible in light of
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Speaker 6: anti Semitism. Again, the Prime Minister has done nothing. I mean,
33:14
Speaker 6: as Josh Bredenberg correctly wrote today, this is the Prime Minister.
33:19
Speaker 6: On October the eighth, he said to all of Australians,
33:22
Speaker 6: but in particular the Jewish community. I will not, as
33:25
Speaker 6: your Prime Minister, allow anti Semitism to get a foothold
33:29
Speaker 6: in Australia. Well, Prime Minister, you failed Australians by your
33:34
Speaker 6: inaction and your appeasement and your excuses as opposed to
33:39
Speaker 6: consequences and enforcement.
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Speaker 2: Mikayla Cash, thanks so much. Obviously I can hear the
33:49
Speaker 2: passion in your voice. I do want to add that
33:51
Speaker 2: I think this immigration debate has to be part of
33:54
Speaker 2: the discript.
33:54
Speaker 1: We have to have it.
33:55
Speaker 2: You be careful and sensible about it, yes, but we
33:58
Speaker 2: have to have this immigration debate. I do quickly point
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Speaker 2: out though, that that hero we saw yesterday taking down
34:04
Speaker 2: one of the government absolutely Syrian refugee. So it's about
34:08
Speaker 2: value members of Jewish community, of course the immigrants. Thanks
34:14
Speaker 2: so much for joining me at Michaulea. We need to
34:16
Speaker 2: take a break.
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Speaker 1: On the other side. I have more here from Bondai
34:19
Speaker 1: and will also cross to.
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Speaker 2: London to get some of the international reception and coverage
34:24
Speaker 2: of what's unfolded in Australia. Chris Kenny here at the
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Speaker 2: Bondai Pavilion, Bondo Beach. We are awaiting the arrival of
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Speaker 2: the Premier of New South Wales, Chris Mins, and the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader Kelly Sloane. I think you might see them
34:44
Speaker 2: walking down to the area in just a few moments.
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Speaker 1: They will be laying breaths here.
34:49
Speaker 2: The New South Wales Governor Mary Beasley, and of course
34:53
Speaker 2: the Police Commissioner Mal Langon joining them as well.
34:56
Speaker 1: But with me here to talk.
34:58
Speaker 2: Over the top of these pictures is Paul Rubinstein, who
35:01
Speaker 2: heads up the Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Council. Paul, fifteen
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Speaker 2: people dead, dozens more in hospital.
35:12
Speaker 1: And some of them in a critical condition.
35:15
Speaker 2: Give us your thoughts on what this means to the
35:17
Speaker 2: community and how you think you'll code well.
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Speaker 14: Chris, I think, unfortunately, as a lot of people in
35:25
Speaker 14: the community have been saying that this is a really
35:28
Speaker 14: big shock, but unfortunately not unexpected. We've been talking about,
35:34
Speaker 14: you know, the possibility of someone actually getting killed, but
35:37
Speaker 14: what's actually happened is really everybody's worst nightmare. I think
35:41
Speaker 14: a lot of people are feeling particularly vulnerable and unsafe,
35:46
Speaker 14: but you know, we're resilient and we obviously have to
35:50
Speaker 14: respond to it, and let's just hope that today is
35:54
Speaker 14: really some sort of a turning point in Australia where
35:56
Speaker 14: people can understand what's really.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing just behind it now.
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Speaker 2: Chrisman's there with the Opposition leader Kelly Sloane, and the
36:03
Speaker 2: governor and other ministers and the Police Commissioner laying reads.
36:06
Speaker 2: Of course, it's a good thing that they are doing
36:09
Speaker 2: this and recognizing the wound here and recognizing those lives lost.
36:14
Speaker 2: What more do you want from the premiere in particular, Well, I.
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Speaker 14: Think, you know, I think the sentiment that generally has
36:22
Speaker 14: been spoken about by many people in the Jewish communities.
36:26
Speaker 14: We've had a lot of talk, and there's been a
36:29
Speaker 14: lot of sentiment, and there have been some good things
36:30
Speaker 14: done both federally and at the state level. But it's
36:33
Speaker 14: time for action. There's no longer a need to prevaricate
36:37
Speaker 14: on certain legislation in New South Wales and especially adopting
36:40
Speaker 14: the recommendations federally of Jillian Siegel. It's actually time to
36:44
Speaker 14: just get on with it and start doing it because
36:48
Speaker 14: the community is kind of tied. I think of actually
36:51
Speaker 14: just hearing.
36:51
Speaker 2: Talk Synagolics burned shops, vandalized, people threatened, now fifteen innocent
36:58
Speaker 2: people killed.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like.
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Speaker 2: You've been hounded out of Australia.
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Speaker 14: We're not being hounded out of Australia. But people are
37:07
Speaker 14: starting to question, and they have been for a while,
37:10
Speaker 14: but particularly so now is this a safe place.
37:12
Speaker 1: For us to live?
37:13
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm a fourth generation of Australian. My family
37:16
Speaker 14: came to Australia one hundred and you know, fifty years ago.
37:20
Speaker 14: Why should I'm an Australian just like everyone else. That
37:24
Speaker 14: fifteen Australians were killed yesterday. They happened to be Jewish,
37:27
Speaker 14: but they are Australians. Why should we be thinking about
37:30
Speaker 14: leaving this country? You know, for an unprecedented.
37:36
Speaker 1: You know.
37:38
Speaker 14: Circumstance in Australia where we have community group against community group,
37:41
Speaker 14: we have fifteen Australians killed by other Australians.
37:44
Speaker 1: That is a place which a lot of.
37:46
Speaker 14: People in the Jewish community find to be extremely difficult
37:50
Speaker 14: to sort of understand. Children. You think, what is the
37:53
Speaker 14: future for them? It's very unclear and uncertain.
37:56
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism has many forms. But we are seeing in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East and here Islamist extremism. Why is it
38:03
Speaker 2: that our government, especially the Prime Minister, seems unable to
38:07
Speaker 2: talk about the scooge and confront it.
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Speaker 14: Well, it's obviously the elephant in the room. I mean,
38:13
Speaker 14: you know what we have in Australia is we've got
38:17
Speaker 14: I think what we've actually got it at government level.
38:20
Speaker 14: It's not that there's an unwillingness or a malevolence, but
38:24
Speaker 14: there's I think a difficulty in actually defining what the
38:28
Speaker 14: evil is and speaking openly about what it is and
38:31
Speaker 14: dealing with it.
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Speaker 2: If you can't even talk about it, how do you
38:34
Speaker 2: confront it and defeat it correct?
38:37
Speaker 14: To actually deal with a problem, you have to You've
38:39
Speaker 14: got to identify the problem, and I think that's really
38:41
Speaker 14: the problem.
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Speaker 1: Now, Paul, thanks for joining us. Thank you Chus.
38:44
Speaker 2: Paul Rubinstein there from the Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Counsel.
38:47
Speaker 2: I want to go overseas now and catch up with
38:48
Speaker 2: Sophie el's Worth, a News corporate correspondent and Sky News contributor.
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Speaker 1: Sophie.
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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you in horrible circumstances though of
38:58
Speaker 2: course this is.
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Speaker 1: Huge news around the world.
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Speaker 2: Islam as terrorist attack at world famous Bondai Beach, fifteen
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Speaker 2: people killed.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about some of the coverage.
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Speaker 19: Oh, absolutely, Chris I mean, just getting up here this
39:13
Speaker 19: morning in the UK, I picked up a stack of
39:15
Speaker 19: papers and every single one Chris front page. You know
39:19
Speaker 19: this one here the Sun Bondi killers were father and son.
39:23
Speaker 19: I mean, there's just every single one blood bath at
39:27
Speaker 19: Bondi Beach on the Times, the Daily Mail, another one,
39:31
Speaker 19: you know, Bondai massacre. I mean, we've just got you
39:35
Speaker 19: know everythingle Haper here, every single radio station, Chris on
39:39
Speaker 19: the Tube. This morning I could see people scrolling their
39:43
Speaker 19: phones reading about what's happened in Bondi. Same last night.
39:47
Speaker 19: Even walking through the streets in London, I've heard people
39:50
Speaker 19: talking about did you hear what happened at Bondi Beach.
39:55
Speaker 19: Many English people have said to me, how on earth
39:57
Speaker 19: did this happen in Brondei Because it's so famous, it's
40:01
Speaker 19: so well known around the world, particularly the Brits love
40:04
Speaker 19: Bondai Beach. It's just such a shocking situation, Chris. But
40:08
Speaker 19: there's been a real outroaring of brief We had a
40:11
Speaker 19: vigil at Australia House last night in central London where
40:15
Speaker 19: there were British and Israeli flags and many of the
40:18
Speaker 19: Jewish community uniting. And we've also heard from the King
40:22
Speaker 19: and Queen who have sent their deepest condolences to Australia.
40:26
Speaker 19: So there's no doubt this tragedy is being felt around
40:30
Speaker 19: the world.
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Speaker 1: Let's just have a look at some of the international
40:35
Speaker 1: media coverage of this good evening.
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Speaker 11: A British born rabbi and a ten year old girl
40:41
Speaker 11: are among sixteen people killed in a terror attack at
40:44
Speaker 11: a Jewish celebration on Bondai Beach in Australia. To breaking
40:47
Speaker 11: news from Australia, police say targeted the Jewish community.
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Speaker 13: It's been treated as a terrorist attack.
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Speaker 20: The gunmen opened a fire on Jews at a Hanaker
40:57
Speaker 20: party along Bondai Beach. Israel's Minister Benjamin nett and Yahu
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Speaker 20: says anti Semitism is a cancer spreading around the world.
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Speaker 2: You're right, So, FORI everybody knows Bondi Beach. Everyone from
41:09
Speaker 2: overseas wants to come here. When I'm here every morning,
41:12
Speaker 2: I hear every language, every accent, see every color and creed.
41:17
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason a terrorist would take attack
41:21
Speaker 2: a place like this because of that global media coverage.
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Speaker 19: Right, absolutely, Chris, I mean, it's arguably one of the
41:29
Speaker 19: most famous beaches in the world. It's one of Australia's
41:33
Speaker 19: biggest tourist spots. I'm familiar with so many people here
41:37
Speaker 19: in the UK and across Europe, and people are questioning,
41:40
Speaker 19: now is it safe to go to Bondi Beach because
41:43
Speaker 19: of what has happened. Chris takes an awful lot for
41:48
Speaker 19: a situation in Australia to make the front page of
41:52
Speaker 19: every single British newspaper. Sadly, that is what the case
41:56
Speaker 19: here is as I wake up on Monday morning here
41:59
Speaker 19: in London.
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Speaker 2: Let's just have a look at what President Donald Trump
42:04
Speaker 2: and UK Prime Minister Sir Keith Starmer have had the
42:07
Speaker 2: same and.
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Speaker 21: That was an anti Semitic attack, obviously, and I just
42:13
Speaker 21: want to pay my respects to everybody, but to Australian,
42:17
Speaker 21: the Prime Minister, to everybody that we know so well,
42:20
Speaker 21: we get along with so well, we have a great relationship.
42:24
Speaker 21: That's a terrible situation going on over there.
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Speaker 1: Think of that.
42:30
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump there and of course the UK Prime
42:32
Speaker 2: Minister Keys Starmer said that the news that the Bondai
42:35
Speaker 2: Beach attack was an anti Semitic terrorist attack against Jewish
42:38
Speaker 2: families at a Harnake event is sickening. It sure is sickening, Sophie.
42:45
Speaker 1: Just tell us. Then.
42:47
Speaker 2: The point here is, of course that the UK has
42:49
Speaker 2: been through similar horrors a number of times. We don't
42:52
Speaker 2: see we've learned any of the lessons that we might
42:55
Speaker 2: have from the UK's experience.
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Speaker 19: They know, Chris, they were talking on radio this morning
43:02
Speaker 19: obviously because there was those attacks in Manchester at the synagogue. Recently,
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Speaker 19: they've had their anti Semitism attacks repeatedly here.
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Speaker 1: In the UK.
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Speaker 19: They have stepped up security across the UK in places
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Speaker 19: where Jewish people congregate, synagogue, schools and other parts of
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Speaker 19: the country. There's no doubt that the UK is watching
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Speaker 19: this extremely closely with a fear of something might happen here,
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Speaker 19: Because Chris, this just doesn't happen in Australia. And to
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Speaker 19: hear that it is happening, to watch these images from
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Speaker 19: here in the UK of that country that so many
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Speaker 19: Aussies we live over here, Dearly Love, is just absolutely heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking. Thanks so much for joining us, Sofia. I
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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Sofia's worth their live from London. Yes, we've
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Speaker 2: had a number of Islamist terrorist attacks in this country.
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Speaker 2: A number of others foiled too. But this is our
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Speaker 2: first mass casualty attack. It's a chilling time, a chilling
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Speaker 2: day for this country. Hopefully we'll wake up to the
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Speaker 2: threat around us. Let's take another break. I'll be back
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Speaker 2: with Gematon Yuni after this. I told you this Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and these political leaders would look for any distraction
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Speaker 2: from their own failure to combat anti Semitism and Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 2: And of course gun control was the most likely option,
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Speaker 2: and sure enough, out of national cabinet today they've tried
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Speaker 2: to put the focus on gun control. Now, sure someone
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Speaker 2: on an ASIO watch list should not have access to weapons,
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Speaker 2: but now new gun controls are being promulgated out of
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Speaker 2: national Cabinet, trying to set the agenda in that direction.
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Speaker 2: Let me bring in Gematon Yuni, who always catches up
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Speaker 2: with this on a Monday, from GT Communications.
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Speaker 1: This is so predictable.
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Speaker 2: Jemma talking about accelerating a national firearms register, more secure
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Speaker 2: and criminal intelligence checks on firearms life. This is limiting
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Speaker 2: the number of firearms held by one individual and limiting
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Speaker 2: open ended firearms licensing.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't stop his littlest extremists. They will use anything.
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Speaker 22: This Prime Minister continues to deal with problems that don't exist.
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Speaker 22: Australian gun laws are already amongst the toughest in the world.
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Speaker 22: But to your point, why is anyone on an ASIO
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Speaker 22: watch list allowed to have a gun license? That's the
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Speaker 22: first thing. But the second thing is this Prime Minister
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Speaker 22: has all the spine of a wet biscuit. He refuses
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Speaker 22: to confront the problem that's right in front of him.
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Speaker 22: And the thing that I would say to him tonight is,
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Speaker 22: Prime Minister, the weapon isn't the firearm. The weapon is
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Speaker 22: the ideology that you refuse to confront. And here we
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Speaker 22: all are, and you and I have had circular conversations
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Speaker 22: over the last two years about what is the tipping
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Speaker 22: point to people who say, oh my god, I can't
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Speaker 22: believe this happened. Where have you been this? Where have
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Speaker 22: you been?
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Speaker 2: Nine to eleven happened with box cutters, correct and flying lessons.
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Speaker 1: We've seen cars and trucks and buses used. We've seen
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Speaker 1: matches used, We've seen knives used relentlessly.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me that Anthony Albanezi and the other
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Speaker 2: leaders involved in this will do anything except talk about
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Speaker 2: the ideology.
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Speaker 1: They need to confront.
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Speaker 22: This is an inconvenient, difficult conversation that either by design
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Speaker 22: or default, the Prime Minister seems unwilling to lead. And
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Speaker 22: I feel like it is incredibly insulting to the lives
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Speaker 22: who are lost here and to the rest of us
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Speaker 22: in the community who expect more from our government to say, oh,
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Speaker 22: it's about gun laws. I'm old enough to remember Port Arthur.
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Speaker 22: That was reform, that was needed, reform. I've never run
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Speaker 22: Asio Chris obviously, but again, why does anybody on a
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Speaker 22: CEO watch list have a gun license? Surely that's a
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Speaker 22: question we need answered absolutely now.
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Speaker 2: Jemma, you've been such a strong advocate for the Jewish
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Speaker 2: community in this country, the Australians who are Jewish. You
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Speaker 2: know the community well, you've been to Israel twice. You've
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Speaker 2: been a strong advocate pleading for governments to take more action.
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Speaker 2: How have they failed agents who are Jewish?
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Speaker 22: But by pretending it's not a problem, by responding with
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Speaker 22: words instead of actions, by saying things like there's no
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Speaker 22: place for antisemitism in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Guess what there is?
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Speaker 22: There is because look at where we are tonight. It's
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Speaker 22: not that they've it's not that they've welcomed with open arms,
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Speaker 22: that they've made a cup of tea and said stay
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Speaker 22: as long as you like. And you can say things
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Speaker 22: like we won't stand for it, we won't be divided,
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Speaker 22: but that is just empty rhetoric.
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Speaker 2: What do we do though, about the media conversation, because
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Speaker 2: that's a big part of it. The politicians get away
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Speaker 2: with this because they have large parts of the media
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Speaker 2: that want to avoid that conversation too, large parts of.
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Speaker 1: The media that want to demonize Israel that will.
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Speaker 2: Run untrue hummus propaganda in their news without even labeling
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Speaker 2: it or exposing it. We have to have honest conversations
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Speaker 2: in order to combat this problem.
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Speaker 22: That's a question I genuinely struggle to know what the
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Speaker 22: answer is. For I mean, with the ABC, they are
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Speaker 22: a taxpayer funded organization, so there needs to be a
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Speaker 22: greater degree of accountability there. That's your money and mine.
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Speaker 22: As for the private media, for want of a better phrase,
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Speaker 22: I don't know what the answer is. But here we are,
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Speaker 22: weeks and weeks after the ceasefire and most of the
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Speaker 22: hostages have been released, and you see much of the
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Speaker 22: global media who condemned Israel now reluctantly saying, oh, well,
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Speaker 22: Amnesty International has actually turned around and said it was
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Speaker 22: terrible October seven. It's even a broken clock will tell
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Speaker 22: the time accurately twice a day. I mean, that's what
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Speaker 22: we're dealing with here.
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Speaker 1: Gematoniini, thanks so much for joining.
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Speaker 2: Us, you, my friend, That's just about all I've got
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Speaker 2: for you here from Bondai Pavilion, bringing you the story
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Speaker 2: I thought I would never have to share with you
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Speaker 2: at this place that so many Australians loved so deeply,
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Speaker 2: a place of great happiness, of great tolerance, of great diversity.
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Speaker 2: Now a place where fifteen innocent people at least were
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Speaker 2: murdered by Islamist extremists, where a country has to confront
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Speaker 2: the anti Semitism and Islamist extremism in its miss.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see more of this. Stay watching here on
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Speaker 1: Sky News tonight, and Peter Kredlin is up next