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NBA Finals talk with Jackson Gatlin, A look at the Hawkeye Swarm Collective with Brad Heinrichs & Trent's Picks of the Day presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hour number two, Miller and Condon welcome back, Iowa Sports
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  Radio Network. Trent Condon and Ken Miller for
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  another hour to talk sports with you.
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  Top of the hour, the drive coming up, Heather and Lucas
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  take you until 5:00. Still to come, Brad Heinrichs
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  from the Swarm Collective will join us in about 25 minutes.
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  Find out the latest on that from Brad.
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  But right now, let's get back to the NBA.
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  Jackson Gatlin, part of the locked on network.
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  Locked on NBA he joins us Jackson Trenton Kent, thanks for
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  coming on lot of ground other than just what we're witnessing
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  now. And it seems like the inevitable
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  is about to happen. The Thunder are going to be
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  crowned. We stranger things have
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  happened. It's sports after all.
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  But boy, Bibi think it'd be a monumental upset at this point
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  considering Halliburton's far from 100% and he has to be.
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  And the way that Williams is coming on, is it a foregone
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  conclusion? Jackson, is this series over?
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  I'm going to say I'm going to say I don't think it's over just
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  yet because look, this Pacers team was written off repeatedly
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  against other team. You know, they were written off
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  when they faced the Cavs. They were written off against
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  the Knicks. You know, they they came in as
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  underdogs and they have surprised time and time again.
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  This Pacers team literally just doesn't quit now.
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  I fully agree, right? Tyrese Halliburton, the injury
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  not great. He needs to be significantly
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  better and I think he needed to be better even even pre injury,
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  right, or reaggravating it or whatever.
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  But I'm not ready to write this Pacers team off right.
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  This is this Pacers team play some of the best brand of
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  overall team basketball that we've seen since like the
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  beautiful game Spurs or, you know, going going back even
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  further, like the the O 4 Pistons.
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  Rightly, they don't. I'm not going to go so far as to
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  say they don't need Halliburton to be their star.
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  They do. They need that production from
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  somewhere, but they're also not, you know, a heliocentric
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  offense. It's going to completely crater
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  if Halliburton only give you, you know, 15 and seven, which
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  he's more than capable of doing even when he's not 100%.
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  What a go to the star of last night and that is court Jalen
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  Williams. What he did in the 40 point
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  performance now, it's not out of nowhere.
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  He was a first round pick, right?
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  This is a guy that anticipated he was going to be a good
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  player. He was the 12th pick overall,
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  ended up at Sienna Clara. What was it about him?
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  What, what is it about him that a people in NBA circles coming
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  from Santa Clara and short of Steve Nash, not exactly a hotbed
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  for NBA talent, what made people believe right away that he was
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  going to be an impact player and, and what he's developed now
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  here in year #3? You know, I think with with J
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  Dub, you know, First off, testament to the Thunder and
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  their developmental staff, like the Thunder have done such a
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  great job finding talent and then developing it.
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  And that, you know, credit to Mark Dagnall, his coaching
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  staff, everything they've got going on there.
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  They're one of the few NBA associations that has their,
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  like their G League department housed in the same building,
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  which I think is a really, you know, beneficial thing from a,
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  from a development standpoint, being able to spend, you know,
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  guys down to the G League. And then they're not really,
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  you're not having to travel all over country and catch different
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  flights. Like you're literally just in
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  the exact same building, the exact same training facilities,
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  all that stuff. So I'm sure that has a level of
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  cohesion that that helps from their developmental staff.
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  But yeah, I mean, look, JW has come on incredibly strong in
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  just three short years here, you know, making himself his first
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  All Star appearance this year. Needs everything that you want,
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  everything that you need in a costar next to Shay, Gilders,
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  Alexander, right? This is a tough role for some
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  players to fill because some guys are incredibly comfortable
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  with the basketball on their hands and they're running the
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  show and it's great. And then you try to put them in
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  an all full role and they. Struggle or vice versa.
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  Right there they can thrive in an all full role, but then the
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  moment the pressure gets turned up you you ask them to create or
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  run some offense and they can't really do that either.
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  J Dub has this effortless ability to be able to step into
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  whichever role the Thunder needs him to be on any given, not
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  just, you know, game to game, but any given possession, right.
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  So if SGA needs to take a possession off, he comes off to
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  the side. And then Jay does run on the
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  offense. And yeah, that that that
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  explosion that he had in last night's game with something
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  else. The The Pacers defense really
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  just didn't have an answer for him all night long.
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  Bennett Matheran, obviously, they need more.
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  You go back to Game 4 missing those free throws late in the
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  basketball game yesterday, he just couldn't hit the broad
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  swimming 2 for 11. He's got to be better than that.
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  Yeah, you've got some, you know, some key rebounds at some point
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  and if it if Halliburton and and he is injured, but if he's if
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  he's nowhere near and you can't count on him, as you mentioned,
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  it's going to be other guys on that roster like a Mathurin that
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  has to step up. I think he can count on
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  McConnell. He's seemingly there night in
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  and night out. Toppins got to hit the three
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  ball with a kill. Nemhart not to turn the ball
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  over in the fourth quarter. God, he was awful.
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  So it's it's going to have to be a collaborative effort for this
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  team, if indeed Halliburton can't carry them, fair to say.
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  No, absolutely. And the way the problem is even,
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  you know, however, it even had some opportunities.
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  You know, some shots that he got some threes, some wide open look
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  just generated off the general kind of pace and tempo and flow
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  of that of that Pacers offense. And he couldn't even hit those
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  like that. The open ones.
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  Those are the back breaking ones where you're just like, OK,
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  you're not you're not having to be Lou Dort or Cason Wallace off
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  the dribble or or get Chet home ground on a switch.
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  And then, you know, dance on him and create that little bit of
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  separation with his ridiculously long outstretched like go go
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  gadget arms to be able to to get a shot off.
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  You got to at least be able to hit the open ones you get.
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  And yeah, Benedict Matheran is a guy that, you know, for me, I
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  was really disappointed in this play because to me he's he's one
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  of the guys. Hammond and and Pascal Theakrim
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  are the two best players on that Pacers team about just getting
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  downhill and forcing the issue. And I don't think he was nearly
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  aggressive enough and trying to kind of, you know, draw fouls,
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  get to the free throw line. Maybe, you know, you know, the
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  Pacers identity isn't necessarily slow the game down,
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  but you know, once you're operating in that half court,
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  right, just getting, you know, throwing your body into a guy,
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  forcing the issue, making the refs blow the whistle and
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  getting those opportunities, those easy points at the free
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  throw line is so important. And to your point about Nemhard,
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  the the the turnovers, man, like there was there was one play
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  where, you know, Nemhard got downhill and, and the the
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  Thunder defense is so strange in the way that sometimes some of
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  the stuff that they do is so unconventional.
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  Like he had a wide open pass to Myles Turner, who was like under
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  the rim. But because the Thunder
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  defenders are so suffocating and they're so in your face, it it's
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  almost like it's almost impossible to make the right
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  like read to the next man. So then Nemhard went to go make
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  like the the the safety valve pass out to the three-point line
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  and SGA like knew that's exactly where the pass was going to be
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  and just shot the gap and got the easy turnover.
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  So, you know, this Thunder defense is just something else.
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  And it's not that the Pacers can't handle it, but they have
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  been in that game, five in particular, they certainly got
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  speed up by the Thunder defense and they were making a lot of
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  mistakes they probably really shouldn't have been making at
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  the end of the day. Had any?
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  Thought watching Chet Holgren getting banged around at times.
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  He's never going to be a big guy, that's just his.
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  His body type is not going to be that way.
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  How much more upside is there, though, in Chet Holgren?
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  I mean, how much better of a player could he be?
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  He averaged 15-A game, maybe gets up to 1820 game, something
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  like that. But is he ever going to be a guy
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  that's considered, you know, one of the best 12 players on the
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  planet, something like that. What do you see going forward
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  for Holgren? I think it's tough because he's
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  never going to be expected to be, you know, an offensive go
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  getter. Like you're never really going
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  to put the ball in Chet's hand and say, hey, go generate us
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  some offense, right? He's great attacking off the
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  catch. He's great catching, you know,
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  catching and shooting from the perimeter.
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  But he doesn't really have a post up game.
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  He's never really probably going to have a post up game.
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  And that's not to say that he couldn't maybe develop one, but
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  in the confines of what this Thunder team is, I think a
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  really good analogy here to maybe use is he's going to be
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  the Klay Thompson of this Thunder team.
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  Like he's going to be the guy where everybody's going to
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  wonder, oh man, how good he could he be if he went and got
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  his own team one day, right? Like he wanted to go to so and
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  so team and just be the number one option, get all the shots
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  and run the show and do this. Like, how good could he be?
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  He's going to be a year in, year out, you know, DPOY candidate,
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  like every single year there's going to be a chance for him to
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  be in the DPOY conversation. And then all offensively, right?
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  He's a knockdown 3 point shooter.
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  He's a solid play finisher. He's an underrated passer, I
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  think. So there's a lot to like there.
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  But at the end of the day, you know, the the thunders first and
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  second options are always going to be at least for now, right?
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  They're going to be SGA and J Dub.
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  So it's not it's I think it's a little bit more so that Chet is
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  going to have his moment. He's going to have his games
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  where he completely pops off and looks awesome, dominant
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  rebounding performances, lights out shooting performances.
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  But I don't think he's ever going to be the guy that's
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  really given enough runway to then be like, Oh yeah, he's
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  clearly a top, you know, 15, top 12 guy in the NBA.
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  Does this feel like the beginning of something with this
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  team? Does this feel like the
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  beginning of maybe not win it 3 consecutive years, but get there
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  and win a couple of them? I mean, we've thought that
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  before and that hasn't been the case.
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  We've seen really good teams and been we haven't seen any of one
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  of those dynasty runs for for some time now.
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  But with the way this roster is constructed, all the first round
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  picks that they have this draft that I don't think they'll use
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  them all, but they could. Does this feel like we're on the
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  cusp of, you know, one of these? I don't know.
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  I don't want to use the D word. They haven't won 1 yet, but you
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  get where I'm going. Well, to be fair, they're one
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  game away from. But I think we're pretty.
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  I think we're pretty close. Guys be able to say it or at
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  least say the start of a dynasty.
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  Yeah. I mean, how could you not look
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  at this team, right? You know, they were dominant in
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  the regular season, the best team in the NBA, a historic
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  defense. They've got the MVP who is
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  likely about to sweep the MVP awards, which is kind of
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  ridiculous, right? Wins the regular season, then
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  wins the Western Conference MVP and it's likely to win Finals
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  MVP here, you know, if they close this thing out.
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  So. You know what's not to like
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  about this funded team and thinking about their future
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  together as as long as they're able to keep SGAJ, Dub and Chet
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  together with the just absolute treasure trove of assets that
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  Sam Presti has acquired over time.
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  Like it's just about keeping the ancillary pieces along those,
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  you know, alongside those guys. And as we've already
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  established, right, the Thunder have done a remarkable job with
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  their development staff, with their training staff, bringing
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  in young guys and finding ways for them to be effective.
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  Like you look at the role that Cason Wallace is playing as an
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  incredible young player in his first NBA final.
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  I mean, this whole Thunder team is incredibly young and you look
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  at how mature they are, how how they've handled themselves, how
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  they've responded to adversity. They don't get, they don't get
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  shaken very easily right there. Their reactions after losing
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  game one of the NBA Finals on their own court, they were so
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  lackadaisical about it. There's like, yeah, yeah,
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  whatever. Like we'll come back and we'll
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  we'll clean it up. It's just like, it was like a
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  regular season game in like the middle of January.
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  And they're just like, yeah, we'll get back on track.
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  Like that's just the mentality that this Thunder team has.
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  So I don't see how you don't look at this as the beginning,
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  you know, as the potential budding of a of a dynasty at
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  this point. Jackson, you cover the Rockets
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  on a day-to-day basis over at Locked on Rockets along with
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  what you were to do with Locked on NBA and the podcast there.
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  Kevin Durant, rumored to go there, he was rumored.
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  Minnesota, he said. No, no, no, no.
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  Was. That taxes and weather, is that
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  what? I would guess weather, board,
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  What? What can you tell us though?
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  It's going to be a big offseason topic.
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  He's 36. The dude can still score.
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  Kevin Durant. Is the juice worth the squeeze?
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  I think it absolutely is. I think that you look at, I
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  don't know if you guys are baseball guys at all and then
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  we're not going to get into I don't want.
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  To it. Could be could be scary
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  conversation in these parts talking about the Astros.
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  But I've like, I've likened this potential trade.
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  It's kind of like the Astros going after Verlander, right?
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  Like, I mean, Verlander was a little older, but he was the
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  piece that really put them over the top, right, helped him
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  secure the World Series. And so I think KD, you look at
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  this Rockets team, right? And they're in a position and
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  they're, they're in this, you know, a little bit of a
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  stalemate bidding war with a few other teams.
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  Spurs, the Heat, the Timberwolves are trying to get
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  in the mix. But Katie, like you guys already
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  said it, right? No, no, no, don't wanna go
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  there. Maybe the Wolves wind up being,
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  you know, the 2020 version of the Toronto Raptors, you know?
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  But. The idea of being able to add
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  Katie, who is very clearly still a top ten talent even at 36
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  years of age, he'll be 37 next year.
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  His game is one that should age pretty beautifully, pretty
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  gracefully. You know, he's a, he's a knock
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  down 3 point shooter scored from anywhere on the floor.
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  And for me, the argument that I pretty consistently made with
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  this rocket team, there are a lot of rocket fans that really
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  don't want to see them go after Katie.
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  They're like, no, we're a young team.
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  There's a lot of upside talent. Give them give them more time to
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  grow and gel and and get better. But my argument is simply, well,
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  depending on what the cost is, it's all it's all depending on
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  what the cost is. But if if you're looking at a
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  trade where it's, you know, Jalen Green and Dylan Brooks and
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  like one or two picks or Dylan Brooks and Jabari Smith junior
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  and from salary filler and one or two picks, either of those
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  options are just flat out no brainers to me.
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  Because the biggest weakness for this Rocket team this season,
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  with their inability at times to literally just put the ball in
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  the bucket, they were a top five defense.
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  They have this young, exciting, talented core players who are
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  nowhere near reaching their eventual potential.
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  And so I look at it like, you could have Katie as kind of a
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  stopgap. Let him be your best player.
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  Let him be your closer. Let him be your go to guy for
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  the next, you know, year or two while Alperin Shingoon and Amin
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  Thompson mature. And then they start to hit their
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  stride and reach their prime as to who they're actually going to
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  be at the best of their abilities at the NBA level.
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  And I mean, Amin Thompson projects to be a future kind of
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  superstar at this stage, and he's only done with the Year 2.
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  So I think it's a no brainer for the Rockets.
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  And I think that they should, you know, put forth whatever
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  they need to be able to secure KD as long as it doesn't
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  disrupt, as long as they're not giving up too much of the
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  rotation that netted them 52 wins and their first trip to the
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  playoffs since the James Harden era.
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  Get you out of here on this. Do we get a game seven in the
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  NBA? I'm calling it we did a Game 7
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  and. I hope you're right.
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  Six, we're getting a game seven in OK C.
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  Good stuff, Jackson Gatlin locked on NBA.
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  Appreciate it as always. Thanks for what you did for us
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  this playoff run, Jackson. We'll talk to you down the road.
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  Thank you man. Thanks guys, always a pleasure.
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  Yeah, good to talk to Jackson Gatlin as we take a look at the
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  at the NBA. I don't think we do.
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  You don't. What's the point spread?
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  Is it like 5-6? Yeah, right.
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  In that range. Let me see if I got the number
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  here 4 1/2. Is it only four and a half?
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  That's I think you're, I think you're too deep on Halliburton's
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  injury. It's back in Indiana.
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  We know role players play so much differently.
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  Matheran's been awful these last two.
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  He has, but you think he's just going to be awful every time
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  going forward. I don't the way they clamp down
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  on him. I mean they've got his number.
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  This defense is AI mean the Thunders defense is everybody
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  knows is elite, yes, but it's different.
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  Indiana. And that's why I keep coming
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  back. You know, when I look at a
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  trend, I look at Florida's a better team than Edmonton.
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  Yes, Oklahoma City's a better team than Indiana.
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  And it's going to prove out. But Game 6 is in Florida in the
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  NHL. Yeah, Game 6 is in Indiana in
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  the NBA. That's.
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  They'll be, they'll be bananas. There's no doubt about that.
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  No doubt. Go back to Friday night.
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  Yep, those last four minutes. Just.
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  Awful were they scoreboard watching did do you think I
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  don't that was something that it's almost like a prevent
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  defense it it felt that way right for the first time.
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  It felt like maybe all series they started looking up at that
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  scoreboard 1 Trent and we're going to be up three one in this
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  series. What there was too much as
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  probable as that seemed like to everybody, and it wasn't that
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  they were literally. But anybody that's played
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  basketball, you know, you see that clock and you know what the
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  score and you start playing that way, that's what happens.
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  What? What's the series price now?
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  Is it N? Is it north of eight?
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  Oh, it's I bet it is. I bet it is north of Nine.
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  Probably. Let's see series prices.
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  Here we go. This is from our friends at
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  Circus Sports. You could get the Oklahoma City
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  Thunder Lane 1450. Lane that much?
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  Yeah, are the Pacers at 9:00 to 1:00?
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  No. You like a price?
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  I do. Not that price.
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  What? What?
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  OK, so let's since we're price shopping, what about Jalen
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  Williams to win the MVP? Gatlin thinks it's SGA.
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  And if SGA is an overwhelming favorite, yes.
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  If Williams, if it does go, what does it have to go?
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  Does it had they have to they have to win it, don't you think
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  on in Game 6 or is it better for him?
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  To get out. Of a good game in Game 6 but
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  come up on the losing end and then a Game 7 where he goes off
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  for another 40 burger. And if So, what would his price
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  be? It would have to be SGA played
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  terribly. Like when you say that 26 for
• 17:22
  him, well, 20. Four another What was the game
• 17:24
  that he was like? 20 it was shot like 40.
• 17:26
  Percent from the field, another one of those kind of clunkers.
• 17:28
  He had 24 points, I think of that game, a game like that, he
• 17:32
  goes off and it's not his fault that they lose, then comes back
• 17:36
  in Game 7 and does it again, right, and you get plus 750.
• 17:40
  That's all it is, huh? Not enough, Not enough.
• 17:44
  All right. Brad Heinrich from the Swarm
• 17:47
  Collective. He joins us next.
• 17:49
  I look forward to this conversation with Brad.
• 17:51
  Miller and Condren are on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 18:04
  I'm Hillary Condon coming up on 1:30 on a Tuesday, top of the
• 18:08
  hour. We turn things over the drive.
• 18:10
  Heather and Lucas take you until 5 overtime Iowa 5 until 6 O
• 18:14
  clock. Well, last week we had Brent
• 18:16
  Bloom from the We Will collective.
• 18:18
  Let's get Brad Heinrich in here, Hawkeye swarm as we get the
• 18:22
  latest on the lay of the land. What lies ahead for Brad and his
• 18:25
  work at the swarm. Brad Trenton Kent, thanks for
• 18:28
  coming on. Appreciate it.
• 18:29
  Obviously some, I don't know if you want to call it Topsy Turby,
• 18:34
  there's a, there's a lot of questions still need to be
• 18:37
  answered, but I guess we, when it comes to your role, we're
• 18:41
  going to go straight to the source.
• 18:42
  So how are you guys going to handle business going forward?
• 18:47
  We know you've been instrumental in raising money and forming
• 18:49
  partnerships like with the Swarm Ale.
• 18:52
  That's been a success. What?
• 18:54
  So what lies ahead for you? Brad, thanks for coming on.
• 19:01
  Oh, we lose them. Are you there?
• 19:04
  Think babe got a funky? No, we cannot hear.
• 19:08
  That's a little better. Try again.
• 19:10
  You go ahead. We cannot.
• 19:13
  We'll try we're. Going to, if you can hear us,
• 19:15
  we're hanging up, Brad. We're going to try you back and
• 19:17
  see if we can get you. Here we are 2025.
• 19:20
  We still have the same problem as we've had for 25 years when
• 19:24
  cell phones first came into existence.
• 19:27
  Certainly very handy, but man, oh, man, they're frustrating
• 19:30
  yourself. So we'll get Brad Heinrich in
• 19:31
  here, a number of issues that need a little bit of clarity on,
• 19:35
  and he'll go. We're going to go straight to
• 19:36
  the straight to the source to get those answers when it comes
• 19:40
  to him. All right, Brad is back.
• 19:43
  He's searching in his location for a spot that we can get a
• 19:47
  better signal. We'll have him momentarily
• 19:49
  Speaking of momentarily transplays the day.
• 19:52
  We'll do that before we get out of here.
• 19:54
  Those coming up at about, oh, 10 minutes or so before before
• 19:59
  2:00. Still working on Brad.
• 20:04
  Let's get to him. No, Brad.
• 20:07
  Oh, landline, that's better. He's got one.
• 20:09
  He's still got one. Do you?
• 20:11
  You know we do, but we don't turn.
• 20:13
  Well, the only reason I do is it's free long distance to
• 20:16
  Canada. OK yeah my cell service has cost
• 20:18
  me money. Ohh.
• 20:19
  Interesting. So in order to do that, that
• 20:21
  makes sense. Yeah, I want to talk home.
• 20:23
  I, you know, got to, it's a landline, it's not free, I guess
• 20:26
  5 bucks a month. Anyways, Brad Heinrich,
• 20:28
  momentarily, we will talk to him on the Swarm as Beth Getz still
• 20:33
  seemingly is cooperative. Certainly she was more so than
• 20:36
  Gary Barda to say the very least.
• 20:38
  Let's get Brad back in here. Brad asked you, you know, what's
• 20:41
  your role going forward now that seemingly the landscape has
• 20:44
  changed a little bit? Thanks for coming on, Brad.
• 20:47
  How do you see things going forward?
• 20:49
  Is it still business as usual at the Hawkeye Swarm?
• 20:53
  Yeah, business as usual right now.
• 20:56
  I think there are still more questions than we have answers
• 20:59
  at this point. I think they just came out with
• 21:03
  some QS and as I think maybe even yesterday.
• 21:07
  But I don't think that we're really going to know what the
• 21:10
  new world looks like for weeks if not months from now.
• 21:15
  As you know, there's any, anybody that we signed to a deal
• 21:19
  now has to, has to be cleared through this clearinghouse where
• 21:25
  where somebody, a third party tells us whether a a student
• 21:31
  athletes deal is legit or not, or whether or not their their
• 21:35
  market value is, is appropriate in the contract or not, Which
• 21:38
  just feels like a, a lawsuit waiting to happen.
• 21:43
  But but yeah, we're, we're telling our members that it's,
• 21:46
  it's business as usual until, until the rules become a lot
• 21:51
  more clear and, and, and crystallize for everybody.
• 21:56
  So the university now will have their twenty and a half million
• 22:00
  dollars that they will disperse 2 student athletes that is
• 22:03
  separate than what you guys are. But we look past that 20 and a
• 22:07
  half million dollars and we hear Texas Tech maybe a $55 million
• 22:12
  payroll for their athletic department this year.
• 22:15
  Is there a number that Iowa Swarm needs to get to that you
• 22:19
  guys are looking at that to keep you guys competitive in the Big
• 22:22
  10 and nationally? Is there a number now going
• 22:25
  forward knowing they got their 20 1/2 that they're going to be
• 22:28
  spending that you guys need to hit?
• 22:31
  We haven't gotten any specific direction.
• 22:34
  Hey Swarm, you need to come up with X $1,000,000 to help Polish
• 22:38
  this off. So you know that now those those
• 22:42
  conversations may be happening in the future.
• 22:44
  I do know though, that at least if the, if the, if the other
• 22:50
  collective owners are, are being truthful, we're going to have at
• 22:55
  least four teams on our schedule this fall that have $30 million
• 22:59
  payrolls for football. And, and that's just incredible
• 23:05
  to think about. So and we and we will not, I'll
• 23:09
  just go ahead and say that we're not going to have $30 million
• 23:12
  tied up in football this fall. But, and I can't imagine Iowa
• 23:16
  State will either. But but the landscape, you're
• 23:19
  right, the landscape has changed.
• 23:21
  It's a very, I would still consider it to be mostly cloudy
• 23:25
  situation. Obviously the house settlement
• 23:28
  passing is, is is certainly least a step towards some
• 23:32
  clarity and maybe, you know, might might help, you know, give
• 23:39
  us a path towards some answers, but we don't have all the
• 23:41
  answers yet. And so we're still, I, I talked
• 23:44
  to Beth Getz just yesterday and, and you know, and she was
• 23:49
  apprehensive to give a whole lot of directions because she's
• 23:51
  still trying to, to, to get guidance from, from the Big 10
• 23:55
  and from the NCAA. And so I think we're in the same
• 23:58
  boat as as probably Iowa State and and many of the other
• 24:01
  collectives across the country still trying to wait to get some
• 24:04
  direction and, and really understand what our new world
• 24:10
  looks like and how we can support our student athletes
• 24:15
  moving forward. You mentioned your conversation
• 24:17
  with Beth Goetz and I remember when she was, she got the job,
• 24:21
  which was the absolute right hire in my opinion.
• 24:24
  And it seemed like she was a breath of fresh air from, you
• 24:27
  know, from Gary Barda and his unwillingness, unwillingness
• 24:30
  seemingly to work with your group and, and Beth Goetz
• 24:34
  embraced you and and did so publicly.
• 24:37
  Is she, is she still as enthusiastic about the Hawkeye
• 24:40
  swarm and what you guys will be able to do in conjunction with
• 24:43
  the House settlement? Yeah, I think Beth has been
• 24:46
  nothing but supportive of the swarm and, and every every
• 24:52
  place, every time that I that I saw her speak publicly last year
• 24:58
  as it pertained to student athletes and and, you know, in
• 25:03
  the new world, she she always was was quick to that prop up
• 25:07
  the swarm. And and, you know, we really
• 25:08
  appreciate that. And it shows that that that,
• 25:10
  yes, the Iowa flooding department has been, you know,
• 25:16
  very supportive of of what we're trying to do.
• 25:18
  And and yeah, your breath of fresh air is a fair a fair
• 25:23
  characterization. She certainly has been, you
• 25:28
  know, a difference maker for for Iowa athletics over the last
• 25:31
  couple of years. So when you look at what you
• 25:33
  guys did in the past, it was a lot of going out to different
• 25:35
  events around the community helping in that direction.
• 25:40
  Is that going to be much different now going forward?
• 25:42
  You know, those charity kind of events, going to the Children's
• 25:45
  Hospital, those kind of things where guys are out there in the
• 25:48
  community and they're getting paid for their efforts to do
• 25:50
  that. Or is it strictly going to have
• 25:51
  to be guys doing ATV commercial and he's showing up in signing
• 25:55
  books? Is it, are we moving more
• 25:57
  towards that part of it or is the charity aspect still going
• 26:00
  to be a big part of Iowa Swarm I?
• 26:01
  Hope that the charity, the charitable aspect doesn't
• 26:04
  completely go away. That's the first thing I'll say,
• 26:08
  but I think you're on to it. It it it starts it, it feels
• 26:11
  like that the charitable component.
• 26:14
  Maybe, you know, not it moving away from front and center in in
• 26:21
  everything that we're doing, but that's still a little cloudy as
• 26:26
  well at this point. So I, I'm, I'm a little
• 26:29
  apprehensive to say it's, it's going away or it's, it's going
• 26:33
  to be close to non existent. I'd like for it to continue to
• 26:36
  be existent because I feel like our student athletes have done a
• 26:39
  lot of great things for, for charities around eastern Iowa
• 26:42
  and, and even in the western side of Iowa and Des Moines
• 26:45
  area. And I know that they've had a
• 26:47
  lot of impact on, on, on, on kids, for example, and, and
• 26:51
  other homebound people and, and, and folks that really need help.
• 26:55
  So, so I've, it, it'll be very disappointing if that part goes
• 26:59
  away. But as you know, you know, the
• 27:01
  world's always changing and we've got to change with it.
• 27:05
  And, and so we'll, we'll be ready to ready to take direction
• 27:10
  whenever we get it. We just at this point, we're
• 27:12
  still a little bit in a holding pattern.
• 27:14
  It's you. You would think that once they
• 27:16
  pass that settlement, we would have a playbook, but but that
• 27:21
  hasn't been that hasn't been provided yet.
• 27:23
  So we're we're still kind of awaiting that.
• 27:26
  Seth Davis. Wrote a piece today and Seth
• 27:29
  Davis from CBS got the NCAA coverage college basketball as
• 27:33
  you know, he, he, he kind of put out a, you know, an all points
• 27:38
  bulletin to athletes that in the future that, you know, when you
• 27:42
  see what one of your team mates is getting paid, that there's
• 27:45
  pretty good likelihood that you get maybe get 10 or 20% of that
• 27:48
  value from from your NIL going forward.
• 27:52
  Do you think that's going to be the case?
• 27:54
  I mean, I think I think the one of the emphasis behind this was
• 27:57
  to get everybody running the same race, being, you know, kind
• 28:01
  of in the same financial ballpark and, and not having one
• 28:05
  school having this outlandish amount of money to throw at
• 28:07
  student athletes and some of the have nots not being able to keep
• 28:11
  up. So on the surface, that seems
• 28:13
  like a really good idea. What's the likelihood that
• 28:16
  that's the case, that that they are able to bring that that
• 28:20
  level of financial compensation closer together for everyone?
• 28:25
  Or is that just Pollyannish that there's no way in hell that's
• 28:27
  going to happen? I wouldn't.
• 28:29
  Say no way in hell, but I've come close to that.
• 28:34
  I, I, I'm not I, I don't, I don't have a lot of optimism in
• 28:37
  that regard. I mean, just just for example,
• 28:39
  if you know, I was reading something today, you know, we
• 28:42
  all read about this stuff and and and you know, the the Big
• 28:46
  East, I think it was it might have been St.
• 28:48
  John's was talking about how, you know, they're going to spend
• 28:52
  their twenty and a half million bucks and they're going to split
• 28:54
  it amongst, you know, men's and women's basketball, I think, or
• 28:57
  something micro pulley the. Invented vitamin water, Yeah.
• 29:01
  So, right, so, so they're going to, you know, the, the teams
• 29:04
  that don't have football, well, they're not going to drop
• 29:07
  15,000,000 bucks on on football. They don't have football.
• 29:10
  They're going to go spend it on, we're going to go spend it on
• 29:12
  basketball. Well, you look at Iowa or Iowa
• 29:14
  State that have football teams, there's absolutely no chance in,
• 29:18
  in the world that we're going to be able to spend 15,000,000
• 29:22
  bucks on or, or 20 million bucks on men's, men's and women's
• 29:27
  basketball. It's just, it's just not going
• 29:29
  to happen. And so you know, your, your,
• 29:31
  your idea of potentially maybe it's not your idea, but the idea
• 29:35
  of, of having a level playing field a la the NFL where
• 29:40
  everybody has the same wallet to, to spend.
• 29:44
  The only way that that I see that potentially happening is if
• 29:49
  the we we go the way of collective bargaining where the
• 29:52
  student athletes voluntarily agree to a certain cap on, on,
• 29:58
  on salaries. I mean, if you, if you look at
• 30:01
  that, you read the the judge's ruling, at least my read of it,
• 30:04
  was that she didn't necessarily say that that the, the 20 and a
• 30:14
  half million doesn't violate antitrust law.
• 30:18
  She basically says that's for somebody else to decide.
• 30:21
  I'm just going to opine on everything else.
• 30:23
  Well, if you think about this, the Supreme Court said, you
• 30:28
  know, you can't prevent these student athletes from making
• 30:31
  from making money and, and colluding to make it so that,
• 30:35
  that none of them can make money.
• 30:36
  That violates antitrust law, right?
• 30:39
  From my view, and again, I'm not an attorney.
• 30:42
  So what we, we basically said that $0.00 violates antitrust
• 30:46
  law, which was just imposed upon these kids.
• 30:49
  Now we're going to say now we're going to impose 20 and a half,
• 30:51
  $1,000,000, which is an obviously if it's basically an
• 30:54
  arbitrary type number, right? Well, how does, how does, IF0
• 30:59
  violates antitrust law, how does 20 1/2 not violate antitrust
• 31:03
  law, right? It kind of feels to me like it's
• 31:05
  just a bigger number doing the exact same thing.
• 31:08
  And, and it would not surprise me if this whole thing is
• 31:11
  challenged again. And, you know, unless there is
• 31:15
  collective bargaining, my guess is, is that the capital
• 31:19
  eventually go away or get to a level that nobody even pays
• 31:23
  attention to it because it's so high.
• 31:25
  I I just don't know how that doesn't violate antitrust, but
• 31:31
  that's, again, as an aside, yeah, they're, they're, I don't
• 31:35
  see any, any chance that that the schools, if you look at just
• 31:38
  even this last year, you know, you get schools like Creighton,
• 31:42
  that's in our neighborhood, right?
• 31:44
  How's, how's Creighton's football team?
• 31:45
  Yeah. Yeah, so, so, so, so they.
• 31:49
  So they, oh, So what does Creighton do?
• 31:51
  They spend all their money on basketball.
• 31:53
  Oh, we had a couple of we had a couple of transfers from Iowa.
• 31:56
  They're pretty good players. Where did they go?
• 31:59
  They went West of us. Yeah, right.
• 32:01
  They went W to you guys, they skipped right over aims and went
• 32:04
  over to Creighton. You know, it's not just because
• 32:07
  they have a lot of people coming to their games, it's because
• 32:10
  they have a lot, they have a they have a hell of a payroll
• 32:12
  over there. And and so, you know, there's a
• 32:17
  perfect example of how, you know, it's, it's the, the, the
• 32:22
  teams in the Big East will become like the Yankees when it
• 32:27
  comes to college basketball. And I think it'll be the Big 10
• 32:32
  in the SEC And certain teams in the Big 10 in the SEC will
• 32:36
  become, you know, be like the New York Yankees.
• 32:39
  It's unless they're, unless they voluntarily collectively
• 32:42
  bargain, I don't see any way that there's ever going to be a
• 32:47
  any, you know, a level playing field, so.
• 32:50
  To recap as we finish up with you, Brad, I was Swarm Hawkeye,
• 32:54
  Swarm Collective, not going anywhere, but we're in a bit of
• 32:58
  a holding pattern. Is that kind of a way to kind of
• 33:00
  tie it into a little bow here? I I would.
• 33:03
  Say so until I'm until I'm told otherwise, which could be
• 33:06
  tomorrow or anytime in the in the distant future.
• 33:10
  Good stuff. Well, he talked to Beth Getz
• 33:11
  yesterday and she didn't give you a walking paper for.
• 33:15
  Now. I think, Brad, thanks for coming
• 33:18
  on man Appreciate it. There's so much grey area out
• 33:20
  there. Sounds like even for you that
• 33:22
  are certainly closer to it than Trent and I are athletic
• 33:25
  department seemingly somewhat in the dark as well.
• 33:28
  As you said, there's no handbook been produced yet to what we can
• 33:31
  refer to. Brad, thanks for jumping on.
• 33:34
  Appreciate you doing this, man. Thank you.
• 33:36
  And. Thanks to all your listeners who
• 33:39
  support the Iowa Swarm at iowaswarm.com.
• 33:41
  Good stuff. Thanks, Brad.
• 33:42
  Appreciate it. Take care.
• 33:43
  Take care, Brad Heinrich. I'm no closer to knowing the
• 33:49
  fact that I think we were right. Last week we said bet Big E
• 33:52
  schools in basketball, Yes, we had that.
• 33:56
  Because they're going to. Have only one place to funnel
• 33:58
  those monies to, right? Well, it's all Washington state.
• 34:01
  You see what they did today? No.
• 34:02
  Washington state has a pretty good track and field team.
• 34:04
  Send a lot of people to the Olympics.
• 34:06
  They now have a good track team. No more field.
• 34:10
  Washington state track, more track and field.
• 34:14
  That's done. Tough decisions coming.
• 34:17
  Tough decisions. It's going to get worse.
• 34:19
  Yeah, transplays of the day. How did you do yesterday?
• 34:21
  2:00 and 2:00. 500 day we had a big.
• 34:24
  Winning week last week we did, We've seen.
• 34:26
  It well. We'll try to.
• 34:28
  Stack on to that one and well, we got a first pitch right
• 34:31
  around the corner. I'm already on who's playing
• 34:34
  this afternoon? Louisville.
• 34:36
  Gets to Oregon. State How about our guy?
• 34:39
  What's his name? Gage Wood.
• 34:40
  Yeah, Arkansas kid, no hitter, you know, and and and all the
• 34:44
  meaty he did afterwards and then going over the Murray State
• 34:47
  dugout and consoling some of the players that a that he knew when
• 34:49
  talking to the guys that he just know he had seemed like a pretty
• 34:52
  good egg. Yes, absolutely right.
• 34:54
  He's been bounced around on all the shows today, has he?
• 34:56
  Yeah, why not? Good stuff.
• 34:58
  Miller and Condor back with trench plays of the day.
• 35:00
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• 35:04
  Network. All right, final couple of.
• 35:20
  Minutes here Miller and Condon, Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 35:23
  Welcome to the program. What's left of it coming up at
• 35:25
  the top of the hour, the drive will take over.
• 35:28
  Heather and Lucas will take you up until 5:00.
• 35:32
  Although it sounds like you're pinch hitting for the first
• 35:34
  segment of the program, at least that was the.
• 35:36
  You didn't jump to the. Forefront to that one I I saw
• 35:39
  you kind of I can I got a full. Time job, man.
• 35:42
  So do I, except I'm on a clock. Well, that's true.
• 35:47
  Anyways, well done helping out. So you'll stick around to begin
• 35:50
  with and then Heather will slide on into your chair.
• 35:53
  What are you betting on tonight? I got.
• 35:57
  Well, I said baseball. Give me Louisville.
• 35:59
  My 27 to 1 ticket on the Cardinal just hanging by who are
• 36:03
  they playing Oregon? State.
• 36:05
  This afternoon, no score as I've just opened things up.
• 36:08
  OK, baseball tonight I'm going to play the Cincinnati Reds.
• 36:11
  You know why? No, they're playing my crappy
• 36:14
  Twins. Simple as that.
• 36:15
  That's the handicap. There it is David Fest on the
• 36:18
  mound for with the Twins. So how long is is?
• 36:20
  Royce out for now, Lewis, I mean, how long will he be back
• 36:24
  for before he goes again? All right?
• 36:25
  And they'll reevaluate. It'll be longer than they
• 36:28
  initially say and it will just get well.
• 36:31
  I mean, he hasn't been helping much anyway.
• 36:32
  Yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 36:35
  Mets and the Braves tonight. Do you have an opinion?
• 36:37
  I do. I'm.
• 36:38
  Going to be grabbing the plus money.
• 36:40
  How am I getting plus money on the Mets with Peterson?
• 36:44
  Who's the better pitcher? Yeah, with the better team.
• 36:47
  Yeah, I agree. Yep, I'm confused.
• 36:49
  I'll grab it. Give me plus one.
• 36:51
  Schwalenbach was really good. At his last start, I think it
• 36:54
  was really. Good.
• 36:54
  Let's see if he can go back. To back can be the race.
• 36:57
  Why didn't anybody like the race right now?
• 36:59
  I like the race. I've been making money on the
• 37:00
  race. Absolutely.
• 37:01
  I think they're. Legit I think the second best
• 37:03
  team in the east lame -115. Against those crappy Orioles,
• 37:07
  I'll jump aboard. So I'm gonna split up and play
• 37:10
  1/2 unit on each in hockey tonight.
• 37:12
  Panthers -150 and puck line -1 1/2 + 160 on that puck line, so
• 37:18
  an empty that goal. Yes.
• 37:20
  Or a six one or six one again. The Oilers will start Skinner
• 37:24
  again. If you get the Game, 6 is the
• 37:26
  Stanley Cup and you're going back and forth with your
• 37:28
  goaltender. It isn't that just wild and it's
• 37:32
  heard of. Yeah, it's unheard of.
• 37:34
  But but here they are. Yeah.
• 37:35
  I think it ends tonight, Trent. I do.
• 37:37
  I think that they award the cup on the 17th of June and training
• 37:40
  camp starts next month and they're not quite but and then
• 37:43
  you'll be. Good on vacation on Friday
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  night. Yeah, I won't have.
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  To try and beg your way out of that one and that was going to
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  be interesting because that is not in the cards.
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  No sports, no sport this weekend for a weekend, just plenty of
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  Galena, IL. No idea what we're going to do
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  in Galena, IL. How you going to fill those
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  days? I have no.
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  Idea. I'll, I'll be honest with you,
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  I'm not looking forward to it Antiquing.
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  Probably I. Mean a lot of driving around the
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  out golf course. For what?
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  To golf? Oh God, you're kidding.
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  They've got great courses there. They may.
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  No, no, I'm out hiking. Hiking.
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  No, look at me like I'm crazy. I have no idea what I'm going.
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  To do, but I'm gonna do it for four days, walk around the
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  shops. Yeah, go into and then work have
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  done. It one day, bud bar.
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  Yep. Go see the bud.
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  Tender. Yeah.
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  And then what on the next day and.
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  OK. And what are we going to do
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  today? Do it again, yeah.
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  Right. Back to the well, it's not that
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  big. Could you see it like in the
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  morning? You could, right?
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  It's. Going to be torture.
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  Maybe you could go to 1? Of those painting classes, you
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  get a glass of wine, do some painting, that'll be good for
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  you, yeah. Open it up.
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  Yeah, good idea. Fill it up that bucket.
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  Before football season, that's part.
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  Of it that's going to do it for us.
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