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WoW to OSRS: Ahmpy · Wall Friends

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  Welcome back to this podcast miniseries Wow to Old School,
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  where I'm interviewing some of World of Warcraft's most
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  recognized creators, asking them about their perspectives and
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  their experiences on 2 of gaming's most popular MMORPGS.
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  This next guest game. Knowledge is an understatement
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  of what he possesses. He knows way too much about
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  classic World of Warcraft. If you kept up with only Fang
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  Season 2, this guy was almost World 1st 60 except World of
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  Warcraft. The classic World of Warcraft
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  kind of crashes sometimes and it crashed.
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  So he wasn't the first to 60, but that's besides the point.
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  He's also raid leaded some of the craziest accomplishments in
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  all of hardcore World of Warcraft.
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  He's constantly on the front lines.
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  You've probably seen highlights and clips of them.
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  We're talking with Ampy. This has bugged me for a while
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  because I've gotten mixed answers on this.
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  Ampie or ampie. Either or either or, depends
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  where you're from. That's the worst.
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  Answer me too. What do you get?
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  Amphie. Amphie right that's.
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  The European version I say. I say ampie.
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  You say Ampie. OK, I'm going to say Ampie then,
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  because it's from the source. All right.
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  Well, Ampie, how long have you been playing World of Warcraft?
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  When did you start? When did you pick it up?
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  That's my whole life. Like straight up I, I started
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  playing when I was like 6 years old, running around and just
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  like doing nothing right. You know, the classic, you know,
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  your, your parents play games, they get you into it just a
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  little bit. You know, you're just kind of
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  like walking around on a character.
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  Did that for like pretty much all the classic like, you know,
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  you, you played some classics, you know, my highest level
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  character in in classic Wow was level 30, so.
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  Over like how long? Like what period?
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  The whole classic. Like the whole classic.
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  Over a year, right? So like, you know, like 6-7 year
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  old me ended up killing a couple boars along the way.
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  So I've been playing since then. That was like 2000 and 5:00-ish
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  probably when I started playing. My parents were in like the open
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  beta or whatever, the closed beta for for wild Classics.
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  So they're like pretty big into it.
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  So did you take like any big breaks in between then and now
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  or have you just kind of to? Be honest, not not like extended
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  breaks like maybe maybe like, you know, a couple months where
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  I didn't really play that much, but I've pretty much been like
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  my one game has been World of Warcraft for as long as I can
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  remember. It's.
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  Been the the heart of your gaming, basically just your home
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  base. Yeah, I was curious just because
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  every MMO, yeah, got those like eras where a lot of people are
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  taking breaks. You know, like old school wasn't
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  really a thing for a while too right?
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  Where you know, you had like Runescape and then it progressed
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  and then there was this gap, this like dark age right before
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  Old School Runescape came out again.
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  That happened with Wow too, but it was way longer.
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  It was 2005 to 2019 before anything came out.
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  So what I actually did since? 2005 to 2019, right?
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  Oh, because of classic. Yeah, Right.
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  Right, right, right. No, no Classic yeah, I mean, TBC
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  was a really good Wrath was decent, but no I I ended up
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  playing private servers. So I was always playing, even
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  even during the times where people are taking breaks from
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  the game. I just went to private service
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  and I started playing like Classic again.
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  Yeah, the parallels between Wow and Runescape world just cause
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  in like 2011 I think, I guess well, 2012 was when the
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  evolution of combat update. I'm sure you've heard whispers
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  of that I. Haven't.
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  I don't. I don't know what that means.
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  No, I don't know. What that means?
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  I'm completely new but in the Runescape world still like I've
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  I've grinded but I don't know any back story.
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  All right, I'll, I'll keep it as brief as possible because if I
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  don't keep it brief, I will be yapping your ear off for two
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  hours straight. But essentially in 2012, like,
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  you know, the combat, you know, in Runescape right now, you
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  know, click running on the tick system, everything in 2012, they
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  were pressured by the higher ups and and the the shareholders to
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  figure out a way to modernize the game because they had just
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  been completely screwed with like losing players left and
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  right. They were like taking away the
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  free trade. Like you literally couldn't give
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  somebody else GP. Like this was pre Iron Man or
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  anything. Like everybody was just playing
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  it like a normal MMO and there was a ton of shady things going
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  on and and trying to figure out how to moderate it all.
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  So their conclusion was we need to modernize the game and create
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  a whole new combat system. So they introduced a hot bar
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  with abilities. They changed the way that
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  special attacks work. Like, they took special attacks
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  out of the game pretty much. You know, you had to start using
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  your keyboard for pressing your abilities.
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  It was essentially a, a, a leap to try and have somewhat of a
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  Wow combat system. Yeah.
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  And that made nobody happy. Like, the whole game quit,
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  basically. It was the lowest of low and
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  then a year later we got Old School Runescape because of.
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  How it was that early? It was a year in like 2013.
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  Yeah, 2013 was Old School Runescape in 2012 CFC.
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  Crazy it was. I don't even think I remember.
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  I don't even remember hearing about Old School Runescape until
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  like like late maybe 2018 kind of like that's so far.
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  Yeah, that would make. Sense what existed, I thought.
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  I thought it was much closer to classic.
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  Yeah, yeah, 2013. We didn't get our first, to put
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  some context in it, 20, 2016 was the first time we got our first
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  quest like exclusive old school quest Monkey Madness 2.
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  That was the first time we ever got like actual content in like
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  a, you know, like a classic plus kind of vibe of like, oh, we're
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  creating our own storyline. Like they had little snips like
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  agility rooftops. That was an old school thing.
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  That was probably one of the first ones.
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  Nightmare Zone. I don't even know if you've seen
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  nightmare zone. It's pretty irrelevant nowadays,
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  but. I've never seen it.
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  Yeah, that was like one of our first updates, but yeah, it was
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  very quick. After the whole evolution of
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  combat thing, there's there's like 40 documentaries about it
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  because of how crazy it was. Like you'll, you'll probably
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  it's crazy. I.
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  Didn't know about that at all. Yeah, it's, it's that was like
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  the big update that killed it. It was, yeah, yeah, I guess to
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  to kind of backtrack because like I said, I'll talk about
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  this for an hour if I don't moderate myself.
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  Really bad at rabbit holes. I'm so down for rabbit holes.
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  Yeah, don't worry about it. So I guess to, to kind of go
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  back to the World of Warcraft stuff, given the, just the
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  general community, like there's, there's all this stuff recently
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  of a bunch of wow guys kind of saying, you know, I'm, I'm
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  taking a break from classic for now.
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  There's nothing really to do anymore.
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  And then there's people kind of returning for I, I, I just heard
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  that the Legion remix came out. So like with all that in mind of
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  what's going on, what is your general opinion of the World of
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  Warcraft world right now over there?
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  Just general glance, no specific, but the community,
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  just the community, the state of the game.
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  Like we just when you think about World of Warcraft, what's
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  on your mind? I can't speak at all to the
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  retail side of things. There's like, you know, like
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  it's just like Runescape where there's like 2 versions of the
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  game really, right. I play a classic exclusively.
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  I, I haven't touched retail in, in like 5 years.
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  Gotcha. So when I, when I talk from my
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  perspective, that's where I'm coming from, but as a classic
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  player, I, I see that people are very frustrated right now as in
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  a, in a general sense, there are people that are just happy to be
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  there. Of course, they're just playing
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  the game, especially people who are newer to the game, like
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  happy right now. But it's like starting to get to
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  me the the Blizzard model where they're not really making
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  content, they're just re releasing it, right?
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  And, and I think the biggest thing is it's it's all time
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  gated. So the newest servers,
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  anniversary servers came out. Oh God, like maybe last year or
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  something. It was.
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  It was like a year around the time, like what didn't we like
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  launch only things the same time that they came out?
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  Yes, yes. It was so yeah, the end of last
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  year. It's like if they released
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  leagues, but they weren't like really interesting.
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  Yeah. And they were time gated.
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  That's that's basically like the vibe with the the server.
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  It's just, I don't know, I feel kind of like at a point where
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  I'm, I'm just kind of over the, the classic.
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  Like I've been playing classic for so long and I've, I just am
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  kind of over it. And I, and I, I know some
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  people, especially people who have been rating a long time are
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  like pretty frustrated because it's just like the same thing.
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  There's no, there's no updates. Right.
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  It's because, I mean, I, I guess the general play style, like
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  once you're especially in classic, I guess it applies to
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  most versions of World of Warcraft.
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  But once you're at that Max level, you're essentially just
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  raid logging once a week for the most part, right?
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  Unless you're like making a new character.
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  So I guess that would make sense of just feeling that, that
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  burnout. I actually have it written down
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  for the video essay I'm doing on this, of just how World of
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  Warcraft's format and its structure and it's gameplay loop
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  is essentially a recipe for burnout.
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  Just giving people free burnout just because of the way that you
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  know, the worst thing you got to, you got to play the.
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  The the worst thing bro, is, is that for me, it's it's not
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  burnout. It's like noticing the pattern.
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  I don't know if you know this. So so so wow schedules their
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  releases in a way such that you subscribe the longest Gotcha.
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  That's how it's designed. So they're going to they're
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  going to release one thing and drip feed you content once a
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  month so you stay subscribed. And it's like little tiny things
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  they'll do like a they'll do a classic wow patch and then
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  they'll do an XYZ version patch and then they'll do a retail
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  patch and then they'll rotate it back.
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  And it's like this, like I the way I say, I don't know if this
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  is, this is like weird, but like I'm tired of getting milked by
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  the company, you know, like that's how it literally how it
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  feels. You're just sitting, you're just
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  sitting there and it's just like you're waiting for your turn to
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  get an update and then it's just that little thing and you're
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  like. Yeah, it definitely.
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  Makes sense like it doesn't feel good as a player it especially
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  when Blizzard has like all the resources tied to their main
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  game. So the actual classic team I
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  don't know if you know manages 2 versions of the game the the
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  well three now with Sod. So they had Sod Classic and then
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  like the Progressed Classic which is now in Mop, it's like a
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  five person team and they're in charge of those 3 versions is.
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  It really, yes, wow, I didn't know.
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  So I didn't know. It's like it's just that little
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  bit. Shit it's very neglected from
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  the company perspective. Not the people working on it are
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  trying very hard, but the actual company behind the uppers like
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  working on it don't see it as a viable like game or or
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  something, I don't know, not monetizing it, whatever.
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  So the game is like literally I, I say this all the time, but
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  it's like classic minus over time they've been like breaking
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  things. My my go to example is that
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  there there are boss mechanics, core boss mechanics that no
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  longer work that are just that have not worked for years.
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  Damn, so they how does they even have?
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  Dragons. Yeah, that's what I mean.
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  That's what I mean. Like like like.
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  The content that is provided is broken as well.
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  Damn. And because they're putting in
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  like straight up old patches that weren't hot, it's because
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  it's. Because they're, they're all
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  working on the same client. So classic the the vanilla
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  version, classic Mop and classic Saud are all on the same client
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  and for whatever reason things bleed through to the other
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  versions. Weird.
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  So you're getting like an update.
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  And I think that this is just a lack of people, right?
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  Because obviously this shouldn't happen, but it's probably like,
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  you know, maybe somebody's going too fast, right?
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  Sloppy work, whatever, it didn't get reviewed, whatever.
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  They'll release a patch and then it's like, oh, you can buy runes
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  in normal Classic now. I don't know if you're familiar
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  with Sod, but it's like a special ability, right?
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  So you can do that. It didn't do anything, but it
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  was just like weird boss mechanics start working
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  differently. They'll start targeting
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  different people. They never did before.
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  So strats have to change slightly.
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  And it's just weird. And I feel like that's the most
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  we get. And it that that sucks that that
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  sucks to see. That does suck.
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  I I can't believe there's that little people working on I I
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  expected like are are you like that's confirmed that there's
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  only like 5 people working on all those things.
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  Well, where's that? Just how I.
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  Mean I've met, I've met the classic team.
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  It's very small. Yeah, I bet.
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  Yeah, it would make sense. It it seems like they've never.
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  Really been 5 but like they really don't have many people.
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  Yeah, I get. I get what you mean.
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  Yeah, yeah, definitely. Seems like Blizzard hasn't
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  really acknowledged it as something worth putting a bigger
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  team on to yet, if ever. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure, but
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  when when we did did like a tour of their like office at some
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  point. A lot of streamers and and I
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  don't know dude, there's probably like 15 to 20 people
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  Max, but that's like including like managers and like not
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  really like people working on it day-to-day.
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  Yeah, they're obviously very understaffed.
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  I guess before I we, we get into the, the old school
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  conversation, I just wanted to touch on your personal
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  background here, just because me and Sardaka talked very briefly
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  about just like the huge challenges that you guys did
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  with like hardcore and everything.
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  So like, can you just give a brief background on like how you
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  got into this more serious play style and like just this surge
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  into like Guild slash raid leading and having all this
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  knowledge and just being, you know, quote UN quote a sweat,
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  you know, like just how that became like who you are as a.
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  Player I started playing on private servers back back to
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  that earlier conversation. I started playing on private
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  servers around like 2014. I was try Harding on on private
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  servers. I was raiding bro, I was raiding
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  4 times a week, but of course on PST you have you ever been on
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  like EST schedule on PST with like a it's.
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  Terrible. It's awful.
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  Yeah. By.
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  The way so my raid was at 4 PMI get out of school at like 3:00
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  PM. So I'm like there were times
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  where like I'm like running home to make my raid and it's brutal,
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  but I was committed, man, I really was I was committed.
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  We were ready four times a week. We were progressing nacks in
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  classic wow on on private servers and it was a great.
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  I loved it. And that's that's what really
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  got me into classic because I was too young to really
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  experience it the first time around.
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  So I was playing private servers and that's what really got me
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  started in in classic wow stuff. I was playing on a server called
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  Warsaw in Phoenix, which was old hosted in Russia 250 paying to
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  connect to it and really sketchy like some crazy rich guy would
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  come in and buy characters for his entire Guild that they'd
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  clear stuff and they'd all quit. Like it was just like such a it
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  was such a weird landscape. Early private service, sketchy
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  as shit. They still kind of are, but
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  they're they're like more businesses now, I feel like.
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  Yeah, I've seen all that stuff recently with like, turtle Wow.
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  Turtle Wow. Yeah.
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  He's like big, almost like conglomerates working on like
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  multiple private servers. It's really fascinating to me,
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  the whole. Anyways, yeah, so I played on
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  private servers. I played on so many.
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  Back then the way you played was whatever new server came out
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  every time You're leveling to 60, you were doing the raids and
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  then you quit and then you level to 60 and you and you do the
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  raids and you quit. That was the, that was the
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  cycle. It was really fun.
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  Honestly the, the most fun part for me is that first rush where
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  you've got like 3 weeks of non-stop content and you just,
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  you don't sleep, you don't shower and it's just pure sweat.
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  That's my environment dude. So that's that's where it came
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  from. Just fell in love with that.
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  Like that journey to Max sort of thing.
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  Yeah, and, and, and on those journeys I started getting in
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  touch with my speed running side.
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  So I started running it faster and faster and faster and I
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  started practicing it. And so my first classic like
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  server like first in in classic 2019, my goal was to get server
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  first, like first sixty. That was my goal.
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  So that was my first like kind of thing on the 2019 servers,
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  the the classic servers, I didn't end up getting it.
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  I tried really hard. I ended up playing like I, I
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  slept like 6 hours over the course of like 5 days.
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  It was really bad. It was really, really, really
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  bad, but I ended up getting like second solo character.
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  So that's how I kind of started. And then once the servers were
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  out, I was just rating a lot. I mean, I had like started with
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  one character and then you're alone, you're in the raid log
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  stage. So I'm like, oh, I'll level
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  another one. Yeah.
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  Then you got 2 characters you're rating on and I level a mage
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  because I'm like, wait, if I'm in a level characters I got a
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  level I'm quick as mages can level your alts.
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  Yeah. So I leveled the mage and then I
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  leveled five more characters. So I ended up having like 8 or 9
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  characters that I rated on weekly by the end of Classic.
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  So I was just a raid fiend. I was, I was waking up, rating
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  four or five times a day, getting world buffs, going to
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  sleep and rating again. That was my like cycle for like
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  3 months at the end of Classic Wow.
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  And then at the end of Classic, someone named Cargos was like
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  really hyping up hardcore Classic Wow, which back then
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  wasn't a version of the game, it was an add on.
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  Yeah, I remember the add on. For is right now where you you
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  put the add on on and if you die it says you died and it was up
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  to the community to not cheat. It was supposed to be still
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  found. It was a challenge mode and I
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  started that with my friend Dax. And then we we do it up.
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  We died, we do it up and we, we never made it to 60.
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  We, we stopped at 58. TBC came out.
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  That was the first hardcore experience that I had.
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  TBC stuff was really exciting. And then came out with another
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  server called Season of Mastery. And that's where like the first
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  challenge was for me. Cargos reached out and was like,
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  we're doing this challenge. Road to Ragnaros.
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  I want you to rate lead it. Yeah.
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  Road to Ragnaros was of the first hardcore raid that
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  happened in Wow, I think. I don't know what year it was,
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  but that, you know, middle of TBC song comes out.
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  We didn't know until it came out like the week or two or four.
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  They actually buffed the raids like a lot.
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  So we were going into it with the idea like, yeah, we're going
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  to do modern core. It's easy.
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  I mean, you saw only things. It was so easy, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. So they buffed it.
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  They disallowed world buffs. You can't world buff from the
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  raid. They buffed the boss HP by like
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  100% and they added new mechanics for every boss.
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  Wow. So that was Som and not a lot of
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  people know about Som. That was their first take on
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  like updated classic Rays and a lot of people don't even know
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  they didn't play it. Yeah, I think I've only heard
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  whispers of of. Yeah, it's Mastery 1.
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  Yeah it it wasn't big at all. I think the timing was too
• 19:10
  quick. They released classic and then
• 19:12
  TBC was was like 3 months in when they started Som Yeah.
• 19:16
  It's like they people just finished their classic like no
• 19:19
  life runs and they release it again.
• 19:21
  We did some hardcore. It took us 2 1/2 months to clear
• 19:26
  it. We we, we full cleared it.
• 19:28
  Only ever 2 deaths in MC. And then I was told that that
• 19:32
  was almost like a, a proof of concept for hardcore.
• 19:36
  Like maybe hardcore servers could be a thing.
• 19:38
  And then so that was my hardcore challenge stuff.
• 19:40
  I ended up playing something called Hardcore All Stars as
• 19:42
  well later. On So you said a ton of exposure
• 19:44
  to all this like all these hardcores that you like you're
• 19:46
  so used to avoiding death on World of Warcraft which is so
• 19:51
  crazy yeah I. Mean that's that's been like
• 19:53
  kind of my my go to challenge for so long.
• 19:56
  Yeah, to just jump ahead a little bit, is the Guild name
• 19:59
  Frontier? Is that the right?
• 20:01
  Yeah, name of it. So what can you explain what
• 20:04
  that is like just in general that's.
• 20:05
  Actually, right, right now, 2023, yeah, that's about right.
• 20:09
  There were whispers on the wind about a hardcore server.
• 20:13
  That's what that's what really sparked it.
• 20:14
  There was like, oh, we're doing hardcore All Stars, dude, he
• 20:16
  said, she said, they said maybe there's going to be a hardcore
• 20:19
  server one day. So we started a guilt.
• 20:21
  That's kind of, that's kind of how Frontier started.
• 20:23
  I, I, I invited a lot of people who were in the competition
• 20:26
  who've been around for a long time.
• 20:27
  I've talked to people from Road to Rag.
• 20:28
  I reached out to like pretty much everybody and and it was
• 20:31
  like this weird, like a gamer net.
• 20:33
  We kind of tried to get the best hardcore people, the best, like
• 20:36
  classic Raiders, whatever, prep them for the idea of a hardcore
• 20:39
  server with the goal, of course, of clearing everything world
• 20:43
  first. Gotcha.
• 20:44
  Speed run hardcore. Exactly.
• 20:46
  Yeah, So we did it. The the service came out, half
• 20:49
  of our raid roster had died and quit.
• 20:51
  It was it was rough, man. We were raiding six times a week
• 20:55
  and in the off day we were farming consumes for the next
• 20:58
  week. Yeah.
• 20:59
  So it was, it was straight up just raid raid, raid, raid.
• 21:02
  You're always raiding right? But we cleared everything in 49
• 21:06
  days from launch. Wow, faster than only things
• 21:09
  even entered in MC. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 21:12
  We were slow as shit dude. MC was so late.
• 21:15
  Oh yeah. But it was a lot of fun though I
• 21:17
  ended up dying right on the LastPass which was really sad
• 21:20
  but. I remember that clip.
• 21:21
  Actually, I I do remember that everyone bowing to you at the
• 21:24
  end because you kept, I remember you kept raid leading after you
• 21:28
  died. It's like so like that everyone
• 21:31
  would really. Have to.
• 21:32
  Yeah, you have to. Yeah, I remember seeing that be
• 21:33
  like, that was so cool. Like it's like, I've never seen
• 21:36
  that before, you know? Obviously it's like a
• 21:38
  devastating thing. Your character dies after all
• 21:41
  that time, like you're so far, and then you don't even have a
• 21:44
  millisecond to like, you know, be upset about it because you,
• 21:49
  you keep everyone else like you know.
• 21:51
  That's the thing when you're when you're hardcore rating,
• 21:52
  it's like you accept the fact that you could die.
• 21:55
  Yeah. You kind of got to get that out
• 21:57
  beforehand, I think. Absolutely.
• 22:00
  Do you think that where Wow is at now?
• 22:02
  Is there much of A future for any hardcore content that you
• 22:06
  see yourself diving into, or would you say that?
• 22:10
  I'm done with hardcore. You're done with hardcore era's.
• 22:12
  Done, Yeah. Yeah, but also Frontier, by the
• 22:16
  way, we just finished the the another Frontier challenge.
• 22:19
  We did it all again with no world buffs.
• 22:21
  That was that was our most recent challenge.
• 22:23
  Yeah, I I did hear about that. I think I saw a clip of it too.
• 22:25
  That was my that that. That's what made me quit, I
• 22:28
  think. Just cause of how it.
• 22:29
  Was just it was just grueling. Bro mind numbing that that
• 22:32
  journey is. Like now the the problem with
• 22:36
  hardcore is when you're rating in hardcore, you lose too much.
• 22:42
  So people quit all the time. The turnover in hardcore is so
• 22:46
  high that you go in like we went into this three months ago with
• 22:50
  a roster of 160 people and we had to bring in like bench
• 22:57
  people, like people who wouldn't hadn't rated for a long time.
• 23:00
  Like we barely had enough to finish it.
• 23:02
  So like 3/4 of our Guild quit over the course of three months.
• 23:08
  And it's just because, you know, you put in, you put in 20 days
• 23:10
  of your, your life slash play and not even like real time,
• 23:14
  right? Like you're talking like time
• 23:15
  invested every day. And then you DC and you die.
• 23:19
  You, you, you go into a dungeon, the server crashes, 5 people
• 23:24
  die. Just stuff happens all the time
• 23:26
  that isn't even in your control. Not even there are stuff that
• 23:29
  you die to that is in your control.
• 23:31
  But I think hardcore isn't sustainable without some sort of
• 23:34
  a little bit of protection. Like I know I know, Runescape
• 23:36
  has scape crystals right? I don't know how they work, I've
• 23:39
  never used one. Yeah, there's a few things that
• 23:42
  old school has that can potentially help you for sure.
• 23:45
  Right. There's like some barrier in
• 23:47
  classic. There's no barrier.
• 23:49
  If you DC, you're on the game for about 1 to 2 minutes.
• 23:52
  It depends on your. I don't know, it depends.
• 23:55
  I've seen people on for a long time after the DC, so even if
• 23:58
  you DC in like low level content, you might just die,
• 24:02
  cause some random mob patrols onto you and then you're in
• 24:05
  combat and just like you don't disconnect fast or whatever.
• 24:08
  It's very frustrating to play classic and invest your time in
• 24:11
  when there's such a high risk of of things going wrong that you
• 24:16
  can't really control right. And that's what that's what
• 24:19
  makes me not want to play. Very understandable.
• 24:22
  Very understandable. But there was a point where
• 24:24
  where like the meta is to just not play if you're doing
• 24:27
  anything, even if it's a minor upgrade, you shouldn't do it
• 24:29
  because the risk is higher than the reward.
• 24:32
  Yeah, and that's how I felt as soon as I hit like level 50.
• 24:35
  Like I was just like, dude, everything I need to do is super
• 24:37
  safe. And then once I hit 60 I barely
• 24:39
  wanted to farm pre bis because I was just like, I'm already here.
• 24:42
  Like I got here dude. I don't want to like throw it
• 24:44
  all away. So that definitely makes sense.
• 24:47
  So wait, so that's what I found is that hardcore at its core
• 24:52
  creates for a lot of people a mental state that, like, you'd
• 24:57
  rather not play. It breeds not playing the game.
• 25:01
  And that's terrible for a game that's not good.
• 25:03
  Yeah, you don't want to not play.
• 25:04
  Yeah, that's why I'm done. I'm done playing hardcore,
• 25:06
  unless it's like some event for fun, I'm not going to do any
• 25:09
  more challenges on hardcore. Wow, that would make sense.
• 25:11
  Man. That's a lot.
• 25:13
  That's a long journey of of stressful staying alive and
• 25:18
  redoing it and going again. It's terrible, Yeah.
• 25:21
  Especially leading it is the worst because people you have to
• 25:25
  like be the person who who they talk to when they're quitting,
• 25:29
  right. So you're constantly seeing your
• 25:30
  friends quit the game. Yeah, it just like takes your
• 25:33
  day. You're like you, you finish
• 25:34
  rating in hardcore and you're just like just log off and like
• 25:37
  melt. Yeah, Given all that, given your
• 25:40
  history of turning into this gamers, absolute gamer, I think
• 25:43
  it was probably around like somewhere in July, maybe August,
• 25:47
  I don't remember. You started playing Old School
• 25:50
  Runescape alongside a lot of other Wow players that found
• 25:54
  their way over here. But you personally, what was
• 25:58
  your initial reason? You know, aside from seeing
• 26:01
  other Wow guys try it, when you looked in the direction of old
• 26:05
  school seeing these guys try it, what was it that made you want
• 26:09
  to create your account and login?
• 26:11
  I think the fact that they had been playing for like, like I
• 26:14
  didn't start until people were kind of deep in Runescape.
• 26:18
  I was like, you know, Stardock was on like day 40, Joker day
• 26:22
  20, you know, stuff like this and, and, and seeing them
• 26:25
  committing to it for like multiple weeks, like closer to a
• 26:28
  month timelines. Maybe you think like maybe there
• 26:31
  is something there it's like really fun or engaging,
• 26:34
  whatever. And I think that's what made me
• 26:37
  log in. I was in the middle of Frontier
• 26:40
  most recent no world buff thing and we were in like a super raid
• 26:44
  log status mode. We were just raiding like twice
• 26:46
  a week. And I was like, I'm going to
• 26:48
  give it a shot. And I logged in and I originally
• 26:51
  I was playing hardcore ultra iron or hardcore Iron Man, not
• 26:54
  ultra hardcore Iron Man blind like kind of like Goo Zoo's
• 26:58
  approach. And I did that for two days.
• 27:02
  I was killing frogs in Lumbridge.
• 27:04
  I was killing this like my, that was my XP farm.
• 27:07
  You know about the frogs? Oh yeah, they're probably.
• 27:10
  Pretty good. Anyways, so I was I was, I was
• 27:12
  farming that I I farmed my own set of bronze armor or tin.
• 27:16
  I don't know. I don't.
• 27:17
  Remember him? Yeah, the.
• 27:18
  Bronze armor, Yep, I farmed that.
• 27:20
  I was blasting and I woke up day three.
• 27:23
  I'm like, this is bullshit. I'm done with blind dude.
• 27:25
  I don't there's too much in this game.
• 27:27
  I unleashed myself and it was so much fun.
• 27:29
  I, I, I've been, I've been blasting Runescape with the
• 27:33
  tips, with the tricks, with tutorials, whatever, but I've
• 27:35
  been having a blast with it. I'm like, at this point it's
• 27:39
  kind of hard to keep track because I've been going between
• 27:41
  games. I'm like, I like 44 something
• 27:45
  days in. We're doing like cursed Gauntlet
• 27:48
  and. And yeah, well, prior to making
• 27:51
  the account, like I'm, I'm assuming you've, you'd heard of
• 27:55
  Old School Runescape. Like what?
• 27:57
  Yeah, there was. Impressions that you had like
• 28:00
  before you made my. Impressions of Runescape was
• 28:03
  like ultra like giga nerdy. Yeah.
• 28:07
  The friends that I had that played Runescape were like
• 28:11
  degenerate sweats. Really.
• 28:13
  The the best in the best way, right?
• 28:15
  They were degenerate sweats. So the only thing I, the only
• 28:17
  exposure I had to the game were like people that were like 1.5
• 28:21
  ticking teks all day or like doing just like bullshit like
• 28:25
  this, Like they're they're they're ticking chinchampas,
• 28:27
  whatever they're doing. Yeah.
• 28:29
  And that was my, that was like my initial reaction.
• 28:31
  I thought the whole game was like that interesting doing this
• 28:34
  like weird like interaction between your inventory in the
• 28:36
  world, like between ticks and it's just like, that's the game.
• 28:39
  That's what you do. That's so funny.
• 28:41
  I, I don't know if I've ever talked to anybody that had known
• 28:46
  like, I guess it's 'cause you had friends who were like
• 28:48
  sweating the game like that, but most players didn't like, they
• 28:51
  don't learn about that until they're like a week or two in.
• 28:54
  Like they don't even think about what a tick is.
• 28:56
  So like that stuff is so foreign to new players.
• 28:59
  So that's really interesting that that you had that knowledge
• 29:01
  Go I. Didn't know about the ticks, I
• 29:03
  didn't know about ticks or the mechanics.
• 29:05
  I just knew what they were doing, like I'd seen them play.
• 29:07
  And they're like clicking. Weird, you're just clicking all
• 29:10
  over the place. What is this?
• 29:12
  Yeah, but you knew there was that side of the game.
• 29:14
  Right. Yeah, these are the degens I'd
• 29:16
  play Wow with, and they'd be playing Wild while playing
• 29:18
  Runescape. Yeah, so did you expect you'd
• 29:21
  have to be doing weird shit like that right away or that?
• 29:24
  Was my expection. Yeah, just logging in.
• 29:26
  You have to do that, right? That's like the tutorial, right?
• 29:28
  You got a 1.5 tick teaks in the tutorial island, right?
• 29:31
  I'm pretty sure you do. That's so funny.
• 29:34
  That's awesome. What was your thoughts on like
• 29:36
  the graphics of old school? Just looking at it first glance,
• 29:40
  do you remember like what you were thinking?
• 29:41
  It was terrible. Yeah.
• 29:43
  It was just weird. That's.
• 29:44
  The charm, I mean, Classic Wow's graphics are pretty terrible too
• 29:47
  in a lot of things. I I've been playing games that
• 29:50
  are like super old graphics don't matter to me at all.
• 29:54
  I don't care. Yeah, same.
• 29:55
  The only thing that turned me off about the game initially,
• 29:57
  like before I started playing, was the play style because it's
• 30:01
  it's Click to move, like to do everything.
• 30:04
  Yeah, that was what was hard for me to even want to play.
• 30:07
  I think because I come from Wow and I come from playing all
• 30:10
  these games where it's WASD have hotkeys.
• 30:13
  And yeah, yeah, the clicking to move I feel like would be
• 30:17
  probably the weirdest part for players who have never really
• 30:21
  played a game at Click to move if you're just used to WASD.
• 30:24
  I will say I my friends back a long time ago did try to get me
• 30:28
  into Runescape but I never did anything.
• 30:30
  I logged in to Lumbridge, they gave me a staff, fire staff I
• 30:34
  think like 100K and then I I logged off with their money.
• 30:40
  Yeah, I think that's a lot of people's initial.
• 30:43
  It just was so it was like so much.
• 30:45
  They're like, all right, now go quest.
• 30:46
  I'm like, I think I would go play Wow.
• 30:49
  Yeah, I've had so many friends that have been in your position
• 30:54
  that I've tried to get them to play with the exact same story
• 30:58
  of just like, why, why it was going on.
• 31:00
  Like this is not for me. Like immediately kind of thing.
• 31:04
  Yeah, but how many days did you say you played before you
• 31:07
  started? Like not worrying about the
• 31:09
  whole going in blind thing. Two days, two days, two days and
• 31:12
  I was losing my mind. Just like trying to understand
• 31:15
  everything. Blind, I was spamming pause
• 31:16
  champ dude. I talked to Evil Bob and the
• 31:19
  chat was spamming no, you're going to lose hardcore Iron Man.
• 31:23
  And that's what that's what really did it for me.
• 31:25
  Yeah. Just saying no.
• 31:27
  I'm just like, dude. That's so funny.
• 31:32
  So but once you started like embracing the tips and tricks,
• 31:36
  that was like your first week. So what?
• 31:38
  What were your impressions of the game after you started
• 31:40
  embracing that stuff? Like what were you feeling as
• 31:43
  you started experiencing the game?
• 31:44
  Sweaty bro. Sweaty immediately.
• 31:46
  I mean, I treated it sweaty though, like I was playing.
• 31:49
  I was playing a lot. Yeah.
• 31:52
  When I was first starting, I was playing probably 17 hours a day,
• 31:56
  maybe 18 hours a day. Wow.
• 31:58
  So I was just like sending it, dude.
• 32:00
  You're just hooked. Yeah, I was.
• 32:01
  I was pretty addicted after, after.
• 32:04
  I think you know what it was. I think it was all the stats got
• 32:07
  me addicted. Oh yeah.
• 32:09
  Where like you get this dopamine of like your attack is 45.
• 32:13
  Oh, shit. OK, OK.
• 32:15
  And then you're then you're like strength goes up.
• 32:16
  You're like, whoa, another level.
• 32:18
  Yep. Runescape incorporates your
• 32:20
  skills so well with like the other skills that you don't even
• 32:24
  realize you're levelling up your skills until you get the levels
• 32:26
  and you're like, oh, just keeps coming.
• 32:27
  It's just like perma dopamine. Yeah.
• 32:29
  Especially early where like it really gets you hooked I feel
• 32:33
  like. Absolutely, especially if you're
• 32:35
  playing Iron Man, you just realize how how intertwined all
• 32:38
  the skills are, like how much they work together all the time
• 32:40
  no matter what you're doing. Yeah, that's definitely a cool
• 32:44
  thing to kind of like feel the satisfaction of, of seeing all
• 32:47
  the number go up working together.
• 32:50
  Like knowing that every movement you're making, every resource
• 32:53
  you're gathering is for a reason.
• 32:55
  Like, it it's it's not a complete waste of your progress
• 32:57
  to do something in the game. What were your impressions like?
• 33:00
  Your your initial impressions of Runescapes progression systems
• 33:05
  compared to like more of this linear journey to level 60 in
• 33:11
  classic like and then you you start.
• 33:13
  Like leveling up versus total level?
• 33:15
  Yeah, like you're not just fighting, you know, 'cause I
• 33:18
  mean, if you were to do a parallel, I like it.
• 33:20
  You like it? Yeah.
• 33:22
  I I really like the Runescape system.
• 33:23
  In fact, the Runescape experiences that I've had make
• 33:27
  me wish professions were like Runescape in a sense that like,
• 33:32
  you know, you level up like maybe a little bit more
• 33:34
  intertwined, you know, with, with your daily gameplay.
• 33:37
  But it's not in, in classic, you kind of pick an herb, but you
• 33:39
  put it in your bag. You forget about it.
• 33:41
  It doesn't matter to you. Yeah, for the most part, right.
• 33:43
  It, it, it doesn't matter in Wow, They, they, they try to do
• 33:47
  something kind of sneaky with, with their professions.
• 33:50
  They make you have two profession slots.
• 33:52
  The reason being probably to create social friction so you
• 33:55
  interact with other people. It's like, I need a blacksmith.
• 33:57
  And they are intertwined, right? You need a blacksmith for
• 33:59
  enchanting and you have whatever leather worker for an enchanter.
• 34:03
  So you need you need like more than two professions to the
• 34:06
  point that playing self found you can't do what you can in
• 34:10
  Runescape. So I think that it makes me wish
• 34:13
  that there was like, you know, unlimited professional thoughts
• 34:16
  and Wow for some sort of like single player mode, kind of like
• 34:19
  how Runescape has it where you just can do everything you can.
• 34:22
  You can chop a tree, fletch the arrow and then and then, you
• 34:26
  know, poison it, whatever. I don't know.
• 34:28
  I don't, I don't really know the interactions.
• 34:31
  I mean, yeah, I I really like it.
• 34:33
  Yeah, I think it also, it gives a more of an adventurous
• 34:37
  feeling, like on an immersive level of like it.
• 34:39
  Wow, it quite literally is a profession.
• 34:42
  Like it. It feels like you're assigned an
• 34:45
  actual profession. Like if you're mining in
• 34:47
  blacksmithing, like those are your things.
• 34:49
  That's what you go do. Every other resource in the
• 34:52
  world, you don't even glance at it.
• 34:53
  It's not shining on your screen. You know it.
• 34:55
  It doesn't matter to you ever. Whereas in old school, it's kind
• 34:59
  of like you are everything, whatever you want to be,
• 35:01
  whenever you want to be. This world is yours to interact
• 35:04
  with, like no matter where you are, what you're doing.
• 35:07
  So it definitely adds to that immersion factor.
• 35:10
  I was definitely missing that when I was playing World of
• 35:14
  Warcraft for the first time. I was like, I want to do all
• 35:16
  these professions, why am I not allowed to do everything?
• 35:19
  What do you mean? I got to reset if I want to do
• 35:21
  the other thing like that sucks, yeah.
• 35:24
  I mean, I think like Wow almost like brainwashed me in a way
• 35:26
  where it's like, I didn't even have that like perspective until
• 35:29
  I played Runescape because I'd only played a game where you can
• 35:32
  only have two professions, but you only get the two.
• 35:35
  And it's like, OK, well, that's just how it is.
• 35:36
  But then when you play Runescape, you have everything.
• 35:39
  So I'm jealous of your guys. Runescape.
• 35:41
  I feel like Runescape in a lot of ways is has aspects of the
• 35:45
  game that I wish were in Wow. I really do.
• 35:49
  Yeah. Do you do you have like a like
• 35:50
  different examples of what? I wish there was more fleshed
• 35:53
  out single player combat. Like, yeah, like in Wow you have
• 35:58
  to be not, and this is controversial, a lot of people's
• 36:01
  like, I mean, I even say it. I think social friction in like
• 36:03
  group content is the core of MMO World of Warcraft experience,
• 36:08
  right? But I do think it would be cool
• 36:11
  to even even if it's just not the normal game mode, just to
• 36:14
  have like a league where it's like, it's just so low.
• 36:16
  Wow. That's the game mode.
• 36:17
  It's so low. Wow.
• 36:18
  You have all professions, you know, the the raids are tuned
• 36:21
  for you to do solo whatever, right?
• 36:24
  I think that that would be really interesting.
• 36:26
  I think that it's really freeing and Runescape to just log in and
• 36:30
  it's like, oh, I could go raid. Yep, I could go do I could go do
• 36:33
  this boss. I could go do anything I want to
• 36:36
  do. And wow, it's not like that.
• 36:37
  It's like, oh, it's not 8:00 PM. Oh I can't raid.
• 36:41
  Yeah, definitely. That's it's a huge hindrance, I
• 36:45
  think. Yeah, I think that's something
• 36:47
  that I I really like about Runescape, the ability to just
• 36:50
  log in and do anything you want, maybe outside of like TOB.
• 36:53
  Right. Yeah, unless you get insane,
• 36:57
  most people never do. Yeah.
• 37:00
  So I guess to bounce off of that, I'm sure you've heard this
• 37:04
  expression that it's, I don't even know if it's mostly Wow
• 37:08
  players saying it or if it's like this phrase that old school
• 37:13
  players have kind of picked up to support old school over Wow
• 37:18
  when the Wow guys are trying it. But there's this constant saying
• 37:22
  of progression matters here versus the whole seasonal
• 37:25
  feeling of Wow. Like especially retail.
• 37:28
  I know you don't play retail but.
• 37:29
  No, it isn't classic too. Yeah, so like when?
• 37:32
  You have a 14 month time window to experience Classic and then
• 37:35
  it's gone again. Yeah, it breathes FOMO and it
• 37:38
  doesn't. Yeah.
• 37:39
  So do you feel like that that expression does actually apply
• 37:42
  here? Definitely.
• 37:44
  I mean, I, I feel like, I feel like for me it's a little bit
• 37:47
  harder because I I feel like I kind of got up until like the
• 37:51
  last week I got trapped in this cycle where I was almost like
• 37:54
  pseudo competing with other Wow streamers in the sense like in
• 37:58
  my head, it wasn't even like there's no competition, right?
• 38:01
  It's just Runescape. We're all playing solo.
• 38:04
  But like part of me was like, I want to get first infernal Cape.
• 38:06
  I want to do this first, right? Like it just be cool.
• 38:09
  Yeah, it's like almost like friendly like competition.
• 38:11
  But since I stopped that, it's definitely really nice to know
• 38:17
  that it's like I could come back and stop like coming right back
• 38:21
  to where I was have the exact same progression.
• 38:24
  There's no like maybe there's some devaluation if like skill
• 38:28
  things happen, but like I could come back in like 2 years and
• 38:31
  it's like my character is still in the same place, same
• 38:33
  progression. Yep, Iron Man pick up right
• 38:35
  where you left off basically. Like the CG?
• 38:38
  Yep, yeah, it's definitely a nice feeling knowing that, you
• 38:42
  know, if you log into your character that you haven't been
• 38:44
  on in a few years, it's like if you really wanted to, if you
• 38:47
  kept a note of what you were up to, you can it's still on your
• 38:51
  path that you would be taking anyway, sort of thing.
• 38:53
  So it's it's nice, It's super. I've found that it's it's
• 38:58
  relatively quick to catch up to updates and stuff like if and
• 39:01
  none of them are mandatory either.
• 39:03
  That's that's the cool part is even if you want to participate
• 39:06
  in like end game stuff or raids, like you don't need to have the
• 39:11
  best of the best gear, like best in slot everything.
• 39:13
  Like you can still do that content even if your gear is
• 39:17
  like outdated by a few years. So you're never like pressured
• 39:21
  to go get that new expansions gear and you know all that
• 39:26
  stuff. So that is that is nice knowing
• 39:30
  that it is. It does actually apply because I
• 39:33
  couldn't really speak on it too much because I don't have too
• 39:35
  much experience with. I've had some experience like my
• 39:38
  Rath character's gear being immediately destroyed by like
• 39:43
  the second quest I do in Cata sort of thing.
• 39:46
  Like it just. Doesn't have a character with
• 39:49
  like like end game best and slot heroic abyss from wrath.
• 39:53
  If I log in right now, my character is like worse than a
• 39:57
  level like it's it's two expansions behind.
• 39:59
  I haven't played in in two years, three years, whatever.
• 40:02
  So it's just completely gone. Like I it means nothing now and
• 40:05
  it it's kind of sad. Yeah, it's not a good feeling.
• 40:08
  It's something that that I really do like about about
• 40:10
  Runescapes progression. Like you, I don't, I don't have
• 40:13
  any of the cool items yet I feel like.
• 40:14
  But if I get like a, if I end up getting something like a scythe,
• 40:17
  I will always have that. Oh yeah, it's like you're always
• 40:20
  just going to have that item. At least in Iron Man, I think
• 40:23
  that progression is very big. I don't know, I can't even speak
• 40:26
  on normal game mode. I've never played it on Iron
• 40:29
  Man. So all my perspective is Iron
• 40:30
  Man. Yeah, which honestly, I think is
• 40:32
  is good because it it really is like a yeah, it it's nice to
• 40:37
  have that like. It's almost the same path.
• 40:39
  It's like, you know, everybody that's Iron Man that's done XYZ
• 40:42
  has done kind of the same experience.
• 40:44
  Yeah, yeah. It definitely opens up that
• 40:46
  whole tips and tricks avenue of getting down all the methods
• 40:51
  that you would never really know about and.
• 40:53
  I was thinking almost in like it's like your rights or
• 40:55
  whatever. It's like your your trial by
• 40:57
  fire, you know? You like the right of?
• 40:59
  Passage, right? Yes, exactly.
• 41:01
  You have like these, like the rights of passage like oh you
• 41:03
  sold your first fire Cape on Iron Man?
• 41:05
  Nice bro. Yeah, what?
• 41:06
  What, where's your account at now?
• 41:07
  Like roughly. I'm like 1650 total level and
• 41:14
  I'm grinding CG like 100 runs in.
• 41:17
  Nice. That's that's where I'm at.
• 41:19
  I don't know if that's like a good perspective.
• 41:21
  I've got like 120 quests done. It's like not everything, but a
• 41:25
  good amount. Yeah, that's a.
• 41:26
  That's a big. Job some of the I got, I got all
• 41:28
  the big quests. Like I haven't done monkey
• 41:29
  madness too yet. You talked about that earlier.
• 41:31
  I haven't done that one yet. I haven't done all the like the
• 41:33
  really higher end quests. Yeah, those are.
• 41:38
  I guess it'll depend on how much you're embracing the the tips
• 41:41
  and tricks part, but what what are your the impressions of the
• 41:47
  old school quests here like in comparison to fetch quests and
• 41:51
  stuff like that Me off the the old school do old school quests
• 41:54
  do interesting? Some of them, some of them some.
• 41:57
  Of them underground pass, dude. Underground pass.
• 42:02
  Iconic, yeah. I definitely feel like Runescape
• 42:05
  questing has been fun, they just put some things in to just like
• 42:10
  mess with you. Oh, absolutely there's.
• 42:11
  Some things where it's like, oh, you're going to fail this over
• 42:14
  and over and over and over again.
• 42:16
  Yep. And you're going to love it.
• 42:18
  Yep, Mommy, you're you're impressed.
• 42:20
  I don't love it. Sometimes I don't love it
• 42:21
  sometimes. You don't love?
• 42:23
  No. I don't.
• 42:24
  I don't want to fall on agility ever again.
• 42:28
  Yeah. Did you follow the the Wow
• 42:31
  player meta of getting high agility levels very early on to
• 42:36
  run more and not fail? No, I, I It was so funny when
• 42:39
  everyone was first starting because everyone started just
• 42:42
  rushing agility. People were mad.
• 42:43
  At me for not doing it in the trap people were like why are
• 42:46
  you not doing agility? You have 20 agility.
• 42:48
  Stop questing. It's so funny, yeah.
• 42:50
  It was bad bro. I will say dude, the the it's so
• 42:54
  funny. Runescape is definitely a game
• 42:56
  where people love to tell you their opinion on it.
• 42:59
  Absolutely things. And that's the most that's
• 43:02
  that's been a really enjoyable experience for me.
• 43:04
  Dude, we've got the Aboba emote in the chat.
• 43:07
  Yeah, everybody we've got it's it's been really funny.
• 43:10
  Yeah. The backstage is crazy.
• 43:11
  Especially now that I know who who is giving bad advice.
• 43:15
  Before I didn't know. That's why I was just following
• 43:17
  bad advice and good advice. But at least now I know like,
• 43:19
  there's you can definitely. Yeah.
• 43:22
  Anyways, it's it's been fun. Well, I hope when you do
• 43:25
  experience those like later quests, you find more enjoyment
• 43:28
  in it because they really are. Because a lot of the ones that
• 43:32
  frustrate you that you're talking about like.
• 43:33
  Low level stuff, that's the problem.
• 43:35
  Like mornings end Part 2 where you're failing the obstacle and
• 43:38
  shit and the light puzzle and stuff.
• 43:39
  Like those are 2000 and six 2000 and five 2006.
• 43:42
  Yep. So it's like those are very old
• 43:44
  design quests. Like there's some good writing
• 43:46
  and everything in those. But the old school team like
• 43:50
  starting in 2016 on like they actually started having quality
• 43:54
  written good quests and it it's it's a treat to go through and
• 43:58
  see like what they've made out of this original world from the
• 44:02
  early 2000s and how they've like evolved the story.
• 44:05
  They've done a really good job of it.
• 44:07
  So hopefully you'll you'll enjoy those more than than the early.
• 44:10
  Requests, I guess. No, I definitely do because I
• 44:14
  can tell like Varlemore came out recently because the quests are
• 44:16
  so much better. Oh yeah.
• 44:18
  Like they're just not as as like punch you in the face kind of
• 44:21
  difficulty. Oh yeah, they're they're,
• 44:23
  they're good. So what would you say your
• 44:26
  favorite sort of experience with old School has been in terms of
• 44:31
  activities of like whether you're grinding a skill out for
• 44:35
  a while, like kind of like the the repetition, or you're like
• 44:38
  going for a drop at a boss or like CG sort of thing.
• 44:42
  Like what do you find yourself enjoying the most?
• 44:44
  I think the most enjoyable thing for me in Runescape is getting
• 44:47
  something unexpectedly. Yeah, that is a good feeling.
• 44:51
  Like for example, doing doing something, not knowing it,
• 44:55
  there's like some rare reward and then you get it and it's
• 44:57
  like holy shit. Did you have something like that
• 45:00
  happened? I don't, I did early but I
• 45:05
  completely forget. I did though.
• 45:07
  Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
• 45:08
  Find the clip. Yeah, right around the time that
• 45:10
  all the WOW guys came over, I started a group Iron Man with my
• 45:13
  friend Walnut, who he was an only thing as well.
• 45:16
  And I I've done a winter tot like I don't even know how many
• 45:20
  times over the years. It was the barrel, sorry.
• 45:22
  Oh, the barrel from from Yeah, I.
• 45:24
  Got the fish barrel? From my.
• 45:26
  My like 10th tempur rows or something.
• 45:27
  That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:29
  It was the IT was the same deal. Like I had no idea that you
• 45:32
  could get a dragon hatchet from from Winter Tot because it's
• 45:36
  like 1 in 10K or something. So I pulled it out of the cart
• 45:41
  out of nowhere and it was like the biggest shock of all time.
• 45:44
  Like it was on stream and everything and I was like, I
• 45:47
  can't believe I'm this surprised at seeing something in the game
• 45:51
  right now. It's two times rarer than
• 45:54
  getting a pet. Like that's how crazy it was.
• 45:58
  So it is a very, very good feeling, like having something
• 46:00
  like that happened. And it, it can always happen
• 46:03
  because unless you know every drop table of everything, you'll
• 46:06
  just, yeah, you'll just stumble across that stuff.
• 46:08
  But what are, what are your thoughts?
• 46:09
  Like I'm, I'm assuming are you going for like BofA right now
• 46:11
  and CG or are you just doing it for like, money?
• 46:13
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm going for BofA.
• 46:16
  I I don't know why you. Don't know why I just decided to
• 46:20
  do it. People said that I do that yeah.
• 46:24
  So that's I don't I don't really know the stats on it, but
• 46:26
  apparently it's good. And then my my plan is just to
• 46:30
  kind of like do all the bosses. That's my goal in the game is to
• 46:33
  do all of the bosses available, you know do like infernal Cape
• 46:37
  and so I. Need the gear.
• 46:38
  It's a fun journey to go on of kind of like the stepping stones
• 46:42
  up to the yeah, infernal Cape. What is like the peak?
• 46:47
  Sorry, is infernal Cape the highest thing?
• 46:50
  What is the highest like difficult?
• 46:52
  So I mean, it's up for debate because I think in Frol Cape was
• 46:57
  2017, it was like the first big, huge, crazy solo challenge.
• 47:03
  But now there's challenges like the new delve stuff, which is
• 47:07
  kind of like that infinite floor thing that's like the newest
• 47:10
  high end content where you just see how far you can go.
• 47:15
  There's like the awakened bosses from Desert Treasure 2, which is
• 47:18
  basically just buffed out versions of the quest bosses
• 47:23
  that essentially you'll see how much cosmetics.
• 47:27
  Yeah, you'll see all the cosmetics that come from, you
• 47:32
  know, beating these crazy challenges like the the Radiant
• 47:35
  Oath Plate, I think it's called Radiant Oath Plate.
• 47:37
  It's like the sickest armor in the game.
• 47:39
  It looks like a stormtrooper, like it's new and it's it's
• 47:43
  badass. But to get it, it's very, very
• 47:47
  hard. Like the Yama challenges that
• 47:49
  you have to do like the contracts are crazy.
• 47:52
  So the bosses themselves are hard, but the hardest content
• 47:55
  comes from the E combat achievements because that's when
• 47:58
  you have to start doing things in a certain amount of time or
• 48:02
  doing it without using a prayer point or you know, like all this
• 48:05
  crazy shit. So that's where the insanity
• 48:09
  comes in to get like the Zuck helm, like the the end all, you
• 48:14
  know, cosmetic to show everyone that you are like the best of
• 48:18
  the best. So yeah, and getting your
• 48:20
  infernal Cape and getting the the quiver from the Colosseum is
• 48:23
  like your introduction to the craziness.
• 48:28
  Like that's like the first big thing.
• 48:31
  And then you can, you'll start doing what your friends were
• 48:34
  doing with those teaks, but with combat sort of thing.
• 48:37
  Like you're going to be marking tiles and, and timing ticks and.
• 48:42
  You know, oh, I'm doing that, dude.
• 48:43
  I'm ticking. I'm ticking them already good,
• 48:45
  ticking the ticks. Very good.
• 48:48
  Oh, that's good. What?
• 48:49
  What are your thoughts on like these long repetitive like CG
• 48:53
  grinds? Like if you're going for a goal,
• 48:54
  Oh. I don't like them.
• 48:56
  You don't like them? You don't like like doing it
• 48:57
  over? I I understand why it's so
• 49:00
  grindy, but I definitely wish it was a little bit less so.
• 49:04
  Yeah, I get that. I.
• 49:05
  Think I would have a lot of fun with like a league or something.
• 49:08
  Oh yeah, did you have you tried the the grid master?
• 49:11
  I didn't. I didn't try Gridmaster.
• 49:13
  I've been all about a different game right now.
• 49:15
  What? Have you been playing?
• 49:16
  It's a Fellowship just came out. He's like, it's like a Wow
• 49:20
  dungeon simulator almost. Interesting, I don't think I've
• 49:23
  ever heard of it. Fellowship.
• 49:25
  Yeah, I mean it literally, just like this week, so.
• 49:28
  Oh, gotcha. When I talked to Sardako, he
• 49:29
  actually said that he was kind of refraining from trying like a
• 49:34
  gridmaster slash league vibe because he he was so focused on
• 49:37
  his like main account to he didn't want to like waste any
• 49:41
  time playing temporary game mode yet on his first year of like
• 49:45
  grinding the game out. So it's kind of like a mixed
• 49:49
  mixed opinion on whether to try it as a new player or not.
• 49:53
  But as a that's someone who's played a long time, I I'm loving
• 49:57
  the dopamine right now. It's feeling nice.
• 50:00
  It's so cool. I was watching some dude play
• 50:02
  and he was like getting like 5 times of XP doing one thing.
• 50:06
  Oh yeah, doing like agility, strength, like I don't know.
• 50:08
  I don't know what he was getting.
• 50:09
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy.
• 50:11
  It's the systems are are nuts. Very crazy looking at.
• 50:15
  I definitely want to try it the next league.
• 50:17
  I want to like, know I want to sweat the next league.
• 50:19
  It looked like so much fun. I was watching.
• 50:21
  He was this bald guy. Old guy I.
• 50:25
  Don't know what he's anyways, there's a lot of bald streamers
• 50:27
  in Runescape so it's not very helpful.
• 50:29
  Maybe there's ODA block? No, no, no, no it's not.
• 50:33
  The guy named Bald in the game, I think with your play style
• 50:39
  like your, I mean, I guess that's assuming that you'd like
• 50:42
  to continue. Oh, Foe.
• 50:43
  Yeah, Fox Foe. Yeah, yeah.
• 50:46
  I was watching his run at the beginning of Gridmaster and it
• 50:48
  was insane. It was super cool to watch.
• 50:50
  Yeah, he's got a whole like I actually looked at his his
• 50:52
  notepad, his like gameplay. He's got like a step by step
• 50:55
  plan all the way up to like through the grid.
• 50:58
  It's crazy. But yeah, I was assuming that
• 51:00
  eventually you'll really enjoy like kind of just actually
• 51:05
  embracing that speed run slash sweat side that you've that
• 51:09
  would like carry over from your speed running day.
• 51:12
  It's. Literally already issuing to do
• 51:13
  it. You should restart and do it
• 51:15
  faster. Yeah, you said you're playing a
• 51:18
  different game right now, which is very healthy.
• 51:20
  Not many Runescape players would follow in your footsteps, but I
• 51:23
  think it's a very healthy thing to do to not only play
• 51:25
  Runescape. All people say I'm getting
• 51:27
  quitting every day, Yeah. That's a big problem.
• 51:30
  It's a big problem that Runescape audience has is they
• 51:33
  cannot stand quit. Yeah, they can't stand it.
• 51:37
  They they think the worst of the worst if you're playing anything
• 51:39
  except for Runescape, like they they don't know what to do with
• 51:42
  themselves. So it's it's it's a problem.
• 51:46
  But would you say like right now you, you still find yourself
• 51:50
  like pursuing goals to the point like you see yourself playing
• 51:53
  for a long time and you're going to keep grinding things and
• 51:56
  yeah. You mean I want to kill all the
• 51:58
  bosses? My I I I 100% will not quite
• 52:01
  Runescape until they kill all like inferno cave Coliseum.
• 52:04
  I don't think I'm going to do that comment to be honest, but.
• 52:07
  Oh yeah, no, that it would take years, but.
• 52:09
  OK, OK, hold on. No it wouldn't.
• 52:11
  Yes, it would. I do.
• 52:12
  I look, look, listen, do you know who settled is?
• 52:16
  Yeah, OK. Very, very good friend of mine.
• 52:18
  When I came to him and I asked him how long do you think it
• 52:22
  would take me to get a Zuck helm?
• 52:25
  He said at least a year or two. And I said the same thing.
• 52:30
  I said, why do you fucking hate me?
• 52:32
  Why are you saying that to me? I thought we were good friends.
• 52:34
  He said, I'm not kidding. He's like, the amount of
• 52:37
  knowledge that you need to have for some of these things is so
• 52:40
  absurd. You will waste months of your
• 52:43
  life trying to achieve these things over and over again like
• 52:47
  because of how hard they are. He he is one of the best players
• 52:51
  to ever log into this game to like understand the systems he
• 52:54
  does not have as a helm. Like it's crazy.
• 52:59
  Well, that's because he's doing his swamp politics, man.
• 53:01
  That series been done for fucking three years, yeah.
• 53:05
  But but, but that's what I mean. He's doing some crazy shit,
• 53:08
  probably. He's he does a side series where
• 53:10
  he's going for it. It's just it takes forever.
• 53:13
  I actually don't know where he's at with it.
• 53:15
  I'm looking at his latest episode.
• 53:17
  Yeah. No, he's not there yet.
• 53:18
  He's not at his at helm yet. He has.
• 53:21
  Oh, the AI said. No, the popular Old School
• 53:24
  Runescape creator does not have a Zuck helmet.
• 53:27
  Yeah, he's not OK. He's not there yet, though.
• 53:32
  I just checked. I was like, I don't know how
• 53:34
  that grind's been for him, but it's also one of the things
• 53:38
  where the goal post keeps. Because they add more embosses,
• 53:43
  right? Yeah, so you have to, you lose
• 53:46
  it every time you lose that helmet, every time that a new
• 53:48
  boss comes out with combat achievements, you have to get it
• 53:51
  back. So it's like.
• 53:52
  It's like quest Cape. Exactly.
• 53:54
  Cool. I think that's really cool as a
• 53:56
  system. It is, yeah.
• 53:57
  And. Wow, it's not like that.
• 53:58
  They'll they'll kind of like have an achievement if you get
• 54:00
  it, you keep your stuff forever, even if they like make it harder
• 54:03
  to get in the future. Interesting.
• 54:05
  Yeah, I think it is a a cool system they have.
• 54:08
  You get it, earn it back. Like prove that you're still
• 54:11
  deserve we're having it sort of thing.
• 54:12
  Collection seems like a big part of the game.
• 54:14
  I I was watching whether it's achievements or Diaries or, or
• 54:20
  combat achievements or even just combat like or collection log
• 54:23
  like. I feel like there's a really
• 54:24
  good collection aspect to the game.
• 54:26
  Wow, I was missing the Wow Classic doesn't have that.
• 54:28
  Really. Yeah, retail does.
• 54:30
  It's good, like for collectors and people who like to cut their
• 54:32
  pets or mounts or whatever, like cosmetics.
• 54:36
  The Classic doesn't really have that, and that's definitely
• 54:38
  something that I wish it did in some way.
• 54:41
  Yeah, that would be a cool system to have been like, I
• 54:44
  guess because in retail it's like the amounts that people are
• 54:47
  going for, right, Mostly, I guess like the that's the big
• 54:49
  collection thing. It's got like the pets here, but
• 54:51
  pets are just insanely rare on old school.
• 54:54
  But the pet hunters are very, very real, very out there.
• 54:58
  I was watching a pet hunter, yeah, an Iron Man pet hunter
• 55:02
  that had like 4000 clues made. I was like, dude, this is this
• 55:07
  is not healthy. Yeah, they, they get pretty
• 55:09
  insane. It's it's ridiculous.
• 55:11
  We've been going for a while. I've kept you here for a long
• 55:13
  time. But I do have one last question,
• 55:15
  probably the most important question.
• 55:16
  What would you rate Old School Runescape out of 10?
• 55:21
  I would give Runescape a solid 8 out of 10. 8 out of 10.
• 55:26
  All right, where are those two points getting done it?
• 55:27
  Would be 9. It would be 9 out of 10 if I
• 55:30
  didn't have to do dumb old quests.
• 55:33
  It would be 10 out of 10 if I got a bow for the next run.
• 55:36
  All right, but look, you got you use quest helper though, right?
• 55:39
  You got the fucking arrows flashing all over NPCS items
• 55:42
  highlighted, all right, it's not that bad then.
• 55:46
  No, it's it. Is that bad?
• 55:47
  Because because the problem was as a new player.
• 55:50
  The new player experience is not fun when you don't know where
• 55:54
  Brimhaven is. Yeah, that's true, you know.
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  Where XYZ is. So I'm like, I have a quest
• 55:58
  helper and then I have shortest path.
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  And the shortest path actually should be called the longest
• 56:03
  path because it tells you to go somewhere thinking you have like
• 56:06
  a teleport unlocked. So as a new player, I'm like
• 56:08
  walking to a spirit tree. I don't have them unlocked and I
• 56:11
  go to the spirit tree and it's like teleport to here and it's
• 56:14
  like I can't do that. So I can turn.
• 56:16
  Around like it was it was really hard.
• 56:18
  I think the first like 20 days I was so frustrated questing
• 56:22
  because I didn't know the world. If I restarted right now I
• 56:25
  definitely would like quest more.
• 56:27
  Yeah, but man, I I got like, it was so bad for me.
• 56:31
  Yeah, there's, there's definitely like a a learning
• 56:34
  curve there for the. World is a massive.
• 56:36
  It's huge. Yeah, it's it's so big and
• 56:39
  there's so many ways to get around, like so many teleports.
• 56:42
  Yeah, I still travel inefficiently.
• 56:45
  Like having played just fucking almost 20 years, I still don't
• 56:49
  take the most optimal route almost everywhere I go because
• 56:52
  of how many different ways there are to get different places
• 56:55
  where to go, like how to get there.
• 56:58
  But I think you're in that unique position of like you
• 57:02
  jumped from blind into full blast tips, tricks, quest
• 57:08
  helper, highlighting everything to the point where it's like
• 57:12
  there there was no in between section.
• 57:14
  So it's like you never had that full like exploration
• 57:17
  experience. But that's OK.
• 57:18
  You, you, you really, that's the beauty of Runescape is you don't
• 57:21
  need that aspect of the game if you don't want it.
• 57:25
  Like you, there's a way to enjoy the game differently.
• 57:29
  Like everybody has their own way to enjoy it.
• 57:30
  If you, you can cut. To be honest, I really liked
• 57:33
  enjoying like exploring the world, even with quest helper,
• 57:36
  it was really cool. Yeah, it is still.
• 57:38
  Seeing all the places for the first, there's still places I
• 57:40
  haven't gone on the map. Oh yeah, there's so many places.
• 57:43
  There's places I haven't been multiple, many places I still
• 57:46
  haven't been because of the content you'd have to do to get
• 57:50
  there. Or if it's new, it's like
• 57:52
  there's always somewhere. But.
• 57:55
  Well, I I mean, I hope you keep playing, dude.
• 57:57
  I hope you beat every fucking boss.
• 57:59
  I I think you could. You're you're a gamer, dude.
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  You're not gonna have a problem doing it.
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  Just it's just gonna be those repetitive grinds.
• 58:04
  Those are gonna be your obstacle.
• 58:06
  Yeah, but I mean, you're no stranger.
• 58:10
  You're no stranger to, to long grinds.
• 58:12
  So you'll be fine. I think you'll you'll do it.
• 58:15
  Thank you so much for for taking your time out to talk with me
• 58:18
  about all of it was a ton of fun.
• 58:20
  Interesting hearing about all the the Wow hardcore stuff and
• 58:23
  the history behind it. It's very interesting.
• 58:25
  There's so much, but I mean, I've been playing the game for
• 58:27
  like 20 years. There's.
• 58:28
  So many things, I bet. Man, that's crazy, but all
• 58:31
  right. It was a blast, thank you man.
• 58:33
  Big thank you to Ampy for sitting down and talking with
• 58:35
  me. That was awesome.
• 58:36
  Kind of hearing about the history behind Hardcore, like
• 58:39
  where it came from, what was going on with it.
• 58:41
  That was really cool to talk about South.
• 58:43
  I'm super glad that he he found some time to talk.
• 58:47
  All of his links are down in the description.
• 58:49
  Make sure to go tell him hello if he's streaming, subscribe to
• 58:52
  his YouTube. You know the deal.
• 58:54
  You know what's happening here by now.
• 58:55
  Just show him some support next episode.
• 58:57
  I'm talking with someone who was actually a part of my first ever
• 59:01
  Nomergon run alongside Soda, Poppin, and Grubby.
• 59:05
  She out DPS Ed me which I chalked up to her just being a
• 59:08
  more experienced Wow player and then I learned she was playing
• 59:12
  on controller. So see you all next episode
• 59:17
  where we talk with Annie Fuchsia.