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Peter Canova - Quantum Spirituality · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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My name is Victor Ferman. Some call me the Voice. I've always been
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fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science, and the crossroads at which they
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meet. Join me now and we will explore these topics and so much more
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with fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to destination unlimited.
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Is there a profound and astonishing alignment between the ancient gnostic teachings and the modern
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science of quantum physics and philosophy. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited,
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the renowned linguist, historian, and spiritual philosopher Peter Canova, had a series
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of life changing spiritual experiences that put him on the path of studying and writing
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about spirituality and consciousness. He's the author of the twenty five times award winning
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First Souls trilogy and has contributed to the popular Chicken Soup for the Soul series.
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His website is Peter Kanova dot com, and he joins me this week
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to share his path and the latest book, Quantum Spirituality, Science, Gnostic
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Mysticism, and Connecting with Source Consciousness. Please join me in welcoming to Destination
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Unlimited, Peter Kenova. Welcome Peter, Victor, how are you. Good
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to be with you. Good to be with you too, sir so Peter,
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please share with us your path and the life changing experiences that led to
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your exploration of and writing on spirituality and consciousness. Yeah. Well, when
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I was in my twenties, quite to my surprise, I found out that
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I was a very accurate medical intuitive. All people had to do was give
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me a name, age, and address at any anywhere in the world,
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and I could pretty accurately diagnose any medical, physical issues, or even psychological
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issues that people were having. And when I managed to push aside the disbelief
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and let my rational mind recede in all this, it opened up the floodgates
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for information that was coming from other dimensions. Would I would have experienced,
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I would experience things like psychometry, remote viewing, premonitions, and it just
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really I started to realize in essence that there was a whole another world out
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there, a whole unseen world. And I felt like a person who had
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maybe been in front of a radio tuning it for a long time. But
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finally I hit that one frequency, I hit that one station. I realized
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it was always there, always broadcasting, you know, twenty four seven.
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But I had to attune to it. Unfortunately I did. And you know,
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people come to this path by different ways. Some of it is a
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little bit more calculated in studious some people kind of fall into it spontaneously.
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With me, it was probably more of the spontaneous thing, but actually a
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little bit of both. So at that point I started to well, because
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I'm a Caffricorn and I'm still very practical person, I wanted to understand the
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nuts and bolts behind what I was experiencing and how these things would be possible.
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So I started studying ancient spiritual traditions consciousness, and that eventually led me
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to quantum physics because they really focus on pretty much the same thing, which
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is light, matter, and energy and consciousness. That comes down to all
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those things, whether you're looking at it from a quantum scientific standpoint or whether
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you're looking at it for a spiritual standpoint. So all those streams kind of
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converged in my research, and that was what the basis became of my recent
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Amazon best selling book, Quantum Spirituality. And as a fellow Capricorn, I
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totally understand I've had the benefit of being a Capricorn on the cusp of Aquarius
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so the aquarian side of me also takes effect when I start doing this type
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of work. And my fascination has always been with the crossroads of science and
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spirituality. So I have total understanding of what you're talking about. Before we
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discuss your latest book, Quantum Spirituality, please tell us about your multi award
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winning first Soul's trilogy, with titles including Pope Anna, Lisa, the Thirteenth
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Disciple, and the Light of Distant Suns. What inspired this amazing trilogy and
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please tell us a little about each one in the series. Yeah, sure,
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thank you for asking. Well, when I had these experiences and I
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started studying and I started understanding things, I realized that I had been through
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a life changing experience that propelled my life, I think in a better direction.
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Uh. I was and still am, an international businessman, but I
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largely changed the course of my direction to pursue these studies and write books,
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kind of turn the reins of the company more over to my brother for day
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to day operations, and I, you know, I kind of stepped back,
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took a big hitt and income and and you know, became became a
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writer, and I wanted to share what I had learned my experiences and what
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I had learned in order to try and help other people raise their own levels
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of consciousness to be able to have extraordinary experiences with higher consciousness. So at
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that point I had two ways to go. I could write another sort of
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um uh, you know, more academic book or self help book, which
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is kind of what quantum spirituality turned out to be. And I'll explain that
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later. But what I really felt was a lot of people were doing that,
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and I wanted to do something with an entertaining vehicle, something that people
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would internalize by identifying with characters in the book. And these characters, really
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we're kind of archetypical concepts of what I had been through. And so I
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wrote a book. I wrote a series called the First Souls Trilogy, and
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it's about the first souls to incarnate into materiality, the first spirit consciousness to
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incarnate into materiality. And it traces the lives of these cardinal souls over different
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epics of history, usually at junctures when humanity is either going to propel itself
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forward or take a major step backwards. They sort of they sort of appear.
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And the first book is called Pope and a Lisa. It's about an
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African nun who becomes the first female pope at a time where in An America
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and Iran are about to go into a nuclear war, and she is inserted
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right into the middle of all these geo political machinations and m oil and uh,
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there's a big question throughout the whole book of well, what is she?
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What does she really represent? Is she somebody who is kind of like
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another um demagogue who's really gonna lead the world order to ruin? Or is
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she somebody who really is going to help humanity? Um? Uh take a
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you know, take a leap in consciousness. So throughout much of the book,
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a lot of people are really questioning, you know what, what exactly
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is she? Who exactly is she? And um, it's a it's a
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very exciting geopolitical, spiritual thriller. Uh. It won ten national and international
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book awards, and the trilogy itself has won twenty five or twenty six i
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think national International Book awards, including Best Book Series, and the second book
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is called The Thirteenth Disciple. Uh. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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have to do some mild spoilers here, uh, in order to explain to
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the audience but essentially uh the the the main characters in the first book appear
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in all three books, but in different incarnations. So the second book,
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and it was written kind of in reverse order like Star Wars, and the
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second book goes back to Biblical times around the time of the Christ and the
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characters that were revolving around the particularly Mary Magdalen, and they are reincarnations of
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the characters in the first book. And the second book deals with a crucial
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period in human history when a great revelation was being introduced by the Christ,
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but then it was also being warped and co opted by powerful forces, particularly
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you know, the Orthodox Catholic Church at the time, and it deals a
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lot with the sacred feminine and the fact that the early leadership of the Church
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was most definitely mystical and most definitely female, and it shows how that shifted
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over time and how that whole feminine mystical principle was suppressed along with the female
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leaders of the church kind of being eradicated, erased out of a rased out
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of history. And then the final book, The Light of the Light of
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Distant Suns. A lot of people are a little taken aback by that book
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because it's it's a radical difference from the first two books, which more or
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less deal in real historical time. The Light of Distant Suns is the origin
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story of when the souls first came into Earth and they founded this high technical
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civilization, kind of like an Atlantean type of civilization, and they became divided
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because many of them were still young enough to remember their spiritual origins, but
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those others were now falling under the spell of materiality and starting to identify reality
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with the boundaries of their skin rather than recognizing the higher dimensions from which they
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came. And it ends up in a kind of a vicious civil war that
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ultimately destroys this civilization. Yet that civiliza becomes the seeds of civilizations that we
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know, like the Egyptians and the Greeks. So, you know, it's
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a very comprehensive book, dealing right from the creation, you know, all
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the way up to modern times. And people find the different genres in the
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book, but the connections between those genres very fascinating. And we're going to
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touch a little bit more on the suppression of a feminine wisdom a little later
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in the podcast, but right now, what inspired your latest book Quantum Spirituality,
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science, Gnostic mysticism, and connecting with Source Consciousness. Yeah. Well,
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as I mentioned, I didn't want to start off my writing career writing
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a nonfiction book like Quantum Spirituality. I wanted to write something that would be
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more entertainment oriented, and I was aiming to get the largest audience possible,
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which I think is easier to do with a novel. And incidentally, I'm
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working right now on getting Pope and a Lisa into a TV series. I
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have a partner who was a former executive at HBO, and we're in discussions
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with various groups about getting it into a TV series because I wanted to reach
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a wider audience. But Quantum Spirituality is basically the forty years of research that
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went into the making of the fictional trilogy. It's it's all everything that I've
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found out, everything that I've experienced, everything that I've learned about both ancient
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mystical traditions and quantum science. And I think I was perhaps the first person
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to ever observe very distinct and direct parallels between the revelations of the ancient Gnostic
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masters, and we can if your audience needs to know who Gnostics are we
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can go into that. But the Gnostics were they predated Christianity, but they
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were They became the first Christians. They were the foundation of the mystical Christian
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Church. And their writings were so incredibly scientific and precise, allowing for the
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fact that they didn't have technology and technological terms in those days, but if
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you look at their writings, I noticed that they predicted almost every major theory
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of modern quantum physics, such as the Big Bang, parallel universes, and
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the God particle. And in the book, I go into detail about you
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know, those connections, and it's really fascinating because you know, Victor.
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Ultimately, what I'm trying to do is inspire people. The biggest impediment to
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human existence is fear. We don't know why we're here, we don't know
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what our purpose is, and we don't know where we're going, and it
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causes a tremendous amount of fear and it really sets us back, and it
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makes us susceptible to all kinds of outside control mechanisms that you try to tell
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us what we should be and how we should think of what we should do.
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And I'm trying to get people to become their own profits to have their
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own direct experience with higher consciousness, just the way the Gnostics did. And
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the quantum spirituality is essentially a roadmap, and like any roadmap, you have
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to have at least two coordinates, you know, north south, latitude,
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longitude or whatever. And the two coordinates that I use are quantum physics and
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ancient mystical wisdom, because if you used either one or the other, you
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know, you could sort of sit there with a little bit of skepticism.
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I mean, we have a lot of spiritual books out there and they say
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a lot of things, and you kind of have to take that on faith.
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You know, there's no way they really prove it. You kind of
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have to take them on faith. But when you have these two bookends of
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science and spirituality essentially saying the same thing, just coming in through different doors
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where they're smoke, there's fire, And I'm trying to inspire people to say,
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hey, there is something out there and it's something worth pursuing, something
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that you really need to look at, and here, let me give you
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some tools and give you some background to help you on that journey. Absolutely,
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we'll talk a little bit more about the ancient Gnostics a little bit later,
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but right now, let's offer our listeners who may not be familiar with
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some of the terms we'll be discussing, let's give them a few definitions.
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Let's start with quantum physics and the famous block tests and quantum non locality.
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Yeah. Well, quantum physics essentially started right around your nineteen hundred with a
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brilliant German physicist named Max Planck who was studying the properties of light. And
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what he found was that light is not emitted continuously, as most people believe,
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but it is emitted in discrete packets of information, discrete packets that he
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called quanta. And so the quanta of light is essentially where we got the
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terminology for quantum physics. So in its essence, quantum physics really is the
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study of light energy and the double Slit experiment. The notoriety or the famous
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thing about the double slit slit experiment was that it showed that what we think
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of as particles, or we think of a solid world, is not solid
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at all. At the very fundamental level of reality, there's no such things
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as particles. Now, Max Plank said this as much. He had a
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quote, and I'm going to paraphrase if I should probably have this memorized by
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heart. But Max Plank essentially said, I can assure you there's no such
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thing as matter. What there is is an intelligent force that brings atoms and
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molecules to a vibration that allows them to appear solid. Now this isn't from
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Swami Ramaalama Dingdong. This is this is from Max Planck, who is the
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father of modern quantum physics. So the double slid experiment essentially proved what Max
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Plank said back in the year nineteen hundred, which is that at the very
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fundamental levels of reality, what exists are not particles but waves of energy.
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Light waves of energy. Okay, so the universe really is more like an
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energy field than it is anything else. And quantum entanglement. I think you
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mentioned quantum entanglement. Was that the end of turnin Yes, quan quantum non
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locality, which is essentially the same thing as quantum entanglement. But quantum no
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locality is that they observed that particles that would be the equivalent of light thousands
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millions of light years apart will react simultaneously, are connected in some manner,
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and will react simultaneously. So let's say there's a victor on Earth and we
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pinch him, and the victor up in Mars says out at the same time,
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how does that happen? Okay, there's no They're not connected by a
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two tin cans and a string, or by five or optics. There's something
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else going on here. So this really again reinforce the idea that existence seems
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to occur within a field, within a quantum or energetic field of light energy,
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and the reason why these particles are able to communicate, the reason why
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humans are able to community kate telepathically. And incidentally, we have a number
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of experiments, some of which I cited in the book that shows these tell
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epathic connections amongst humans. My own experience with being a medical intuitive is an
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example of this. That we are connected in this energy matrix, and that
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under the proper circumstances, we can essentially communicate with other parts of that matrix.
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So we're part of We're actually parts of a whole, and the separation
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between us is really a matter of appearance rather than the matter of reality.
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Because all these experiments at quantum non locality are all indicating that we kind of
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live in a holographic matrix in effect, and that we're all connected. Ultimately,
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we're all a unity, and the source of that unity is an intelligent
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light energy that permeates all creation. I had a personal experience of this in
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nineteen seventy five. I don't know if you want to call it remote viewing
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or something else or I was stationed in Korea nineteen seventy five, six thousand
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miles away from New York, which was my home. And one morning in
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Korea, I woke up and I said, there's something wrong my mother.
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And I had no evidence of this other than this sense that there was something
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wrong with my mother. I picked up the phone, I started calling.
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I got her. My sister picked up the extension phone in those days we
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had extension phone simultaneously, and I said, Mom, what's wrong? And
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my sister said, oh my god, how did he find out? And
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it turned out that she was scheduled from major surgery the next day. And
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immediately I told her, Mom, the surgery will be a complete success.
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You'll be home recovering quickly, and you're going to be just fine. And
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that was reassuring to her, and sure enough, that's exactly what transpired.
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So how did I know this, where did that information come from? My
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mother? My mother, my own mother, had a similar experience with my
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younger brother, and she said, one day something seriously wrong with him.
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And it turns out that he was in the hospital and he was diagnosed with
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a rare, rare illness, a rare fever, and he almost died.
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He was, you know, in the possible for quite a while. And
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she had the same you know, premonition. And my mother really is not
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a person who necessarily is you know, prone to even believing such things.
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But yeah, we're it's all an example of what I said. We're all
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connected. And you know, there's certain factors that allow us to realize these
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connections and realize our connections to a higher consciousness. And certainly emotion is one
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very very big factor, desire and emotion, and when we are inspired,
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which means in spirit, when we are inspired by emotion or strong feelings and
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things like that, we often become very receptive to making these connections and communications.
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And obviously your mother, you know, it's it's pretty obvious that your
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emotional connection there absolutely Why do you think that material science has rejected often out
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of hand some of the experiences we're talking about. It's very interesting that science
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pretty much gutted Orthodox religion, and in turn they created their own form of
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orthodoxy. So they became anti religion, and in effect they completely abandon any
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notion of God or spirituality in their pursuits. And the scientific method basically says,
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if it ain't visible and testable, it ain't real. And that was
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a very convenient way to ignore what I call the big bottom of the iceberg,
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because all they were doing was studying the tip of the iceberg. You
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know, what's what can be measured by instruments, what they can see and
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things, which which is such a fraction of what reality is. So they
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decided to concentrate on a fraction of what reality was, and they became very
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orthodox about it. They became sort of the new priests of their age.
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And anybody that tried to deal with what they call in science the hard problem,
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which is the role of consciousness. Um, you know, became outcasts.
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They were they they were shunned, they were castigated. Many people lost
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their jobs. UM. I think Ben Stein did a great documentary about ten
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or fifteen years ago about um, you know, academics who dared to venture
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into um or you know, let's say, beyond the strictures of scientific materialism,
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and how they were, you know, losing jobs and being castigated in
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the scientific community. So um it became the province of of a materialistic worldview
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that they felt that they had to reinforce. And I cite examples in the
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books by famous scientists, even though Bell winning scientists that basically indicate that for
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them, um, if they're not really being very scientific, it's more this
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this materiality, this commitment to the fact that you know, we can't we
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you know, there's no no spirit, no explanation of a higher power or
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higher consciousness. It's a it's a it's an ideological point with them, and
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it overrides even scientific evidence that is in front of their noses. Now this
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is changing, okay, because kind of liking it to the exploration of the
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West in American history. So those pioneers in the West, which I would
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equate to modern quantum physicists, they were making the new discoveries, okay,
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but it took a while for those discoveries and for what was happening out there
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to reach the settled areas back east and eventually unify and transform you know this
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continent. So we're now kind of on that cusp where what I call the
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new science that's being fueled by discoveries in the quantum field are really, in
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essence changing our whole view of what reality is and running counter to the scientific
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materialist of you. But it hasn't been absorbed yet by those scientists in the
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hinder land, so you know, many of them are still committed to scientific
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materialism. If you want to summarize it in a nutshell, what scientific materialism
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says is life is the great accident. Somehow inorganic matter became organic and they've
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never been able to explain how that happened. And then you know, you
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have these unitary organisms that kept bumping together until they formed more complex structures and
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so forth that eventually led to um, you know, human beings and consciousness.
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So essentially it was a bottom up process for them, an accident,
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a bottom up process that they can't explain. The view that is starting to
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be grasped by a growing minority of scientists is that no life is a top
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down process where it's starting with an intelligent directives that use light energy as its
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vehicle of expression, and that it essentially limited its way, worked its way
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or projected its way down into lower forms, which would ultimately be the physical,
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which would be the lowest form of spiritual expression, because as human beings,
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we're really you know, spirits seeking a human experience. So the lowest
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form of expression for this spiritual energy would be materiality. And if you take
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the the that version, almost all the paradoxes that you find in science and
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quantum science and everything go away, Whereas if you take the other viewpoint,
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they run into all kinds of infinities and issues that they can't really explain,
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and they just try and shove it under the rug. My guest is Peter
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Canova. His book is entitled Quantum Spirituality, Science, Gnostic Mysticism and Connecting
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with Source Consciousness. Peter, please tell our listeners where it can get your
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book and find out more about you and your work. Yeah, probably the
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best place to go is Petercanova dot com. That's pe t RCA novia dot
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com. There's a lot of information in there. There's a number of important
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videos to look at. You can also access the First Souls Trilogy site.
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I do have a second site, Pope and Lisa dot com. That's Pope
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Amna Lisa dot com. You can either go there directly or you can get
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there a little bit more roundabout way through my Peter Kanova website. But if
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you go to either of those two places, you know you're going to get
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a good background on the body of work that I've done. And we'll be
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back with more of Peter after these words on the Own Times Radio Network,
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conscious lifestyle. Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Peter Canova his
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book Quantum Spirituality, Science, Gnostic Mysticism and Connecting with Source Consciousness. Getting
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back to definitions, and we sort of touched on this before. What is
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gnosticism. Yeah, Well, the word gnosis means to know in Greek,
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and the gnostics were those who knew what did they know. The Gnostics were
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kind of a fairly far flung group, but really they centered in the ancient
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Greek city of Alexandria, Egypt, which was the intellectual capital of the Western
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world at that time, more so than Athens, more so than Rome.
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Um. They enjoyed the confluence of many different spiritual traditions, from the Hindu
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to the Persian to Egyptian Hermeticism, to Jewish Cabbalism and Hellenistic philosophy. All
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these, all these streams of spiritual wisdom flowed through Alexandria, and the Gnostics
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essentially were the recipients of those. They kind of synthesize that. And in
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truth, um, all major religions of the world had a common core.
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We call it the perennial philosophy today, but they had certain common you know,
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principles in common and over you know, the millennia, they would be
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differentiated some because of cultural factors, but um still there was a unified core
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there and the Gnostics basically, the Gnostic masters were almost like um, you
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know, like shamans, and shamans are people who essentially cross into other dimensions
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and bring information back in order to help people or to heal people in this
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particular vibration, and that's exactly what the Gnostics did. So the Gnostics basically
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were voyagers into the realms of higher consciousness, and they brought back incredible information
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about the creation and about the operation of not just our physical world, but
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the operation of other parallel dimensions. And that's probably why I zero a Gnostics
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more than anybody else, because the clarity and the analogs to modern science were
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so vivid that I hadn't found that in any other spiritual traditions before. So
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the Gnostics were they predated Christianity, but they became the first Christians because they
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recognized when Jesus of Nasmith came that he was teaching a nastic spiritual message.
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And I go into the book about the background of why I say that we
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have very strong evidence in the Bible and in the writings of the early Church
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fathers that has most definitely had a mystical inner teaching, and that only a
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few people were privy to that uh and then to the multitudes he taught in
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parables because they believed that by and large the masses would not be able to
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grasp these mystical truths. Uh, you know, on their face. It
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really took an adept to spend some time to understand this. And so there
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really were two churches back then. There was the church that had the inner
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mystical wisdom and innermistical tradition which would which you know, were the Gnostic Christians.
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And then there was the outer church, which was more or less the
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churches that we have today, the Catholic, Orthodox Protestant churches. Um you
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know, I will collectively just call them Orthodox, and they were very heavily
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influenced by the Roman Empire and by agendas of various power groups competing within the
29:52
Roman Empire that really warped the teachings, the original Christian teachings, so um
29:59
you know. On Fortunately, the Nastics were suppressed right up through the Middle
30:03
Ages. Of the last remaining organized Gnostic church were the Cathars in France,
30:08
and they were victims of the Albigensian Crusade, which was the only crusade and
30:14
initiated against other Christians, and the Albigensians, who were the basically state religion
30:22
in southern France, were eradicated. It was only until nineteen forty five that
30:27
we really started to get a real window onto what the Gnostics were about,
30:33
because some Egyptian peasants that were rummaging around cliffside caves looking for manure came across
30:40
these earthenware jars, and when they broke them open, there were these papyrus
30:44
texts that spilled out, and these were suppressed Gnostic texts that were hidden away
30:48
in these caves. And for the first time, well not for the first
30:52
time, but largely for the first time, we had a glimpse into the
30:57
Gnostics from their own own words. Prior to that, the bulk of what
31:02
we knew about the Gnostics came from the writings of their opponents, the early
31:07
Church fathers. So it was a big discovery in nineteen forty five and it
31:12
opened up, I think, a whole new vista of understanding Western spirituality.
31:18
We touched upon this in the first segment. What were some of the other
31:22
teachings of the Gnostic mystics. Well, they for one thing, I think
31:29
the most the most important thing, and one of the reasons why the Orthodox
31:33
Church feared and despised them so much, was that they didn't need a church
31:41
or priests in order to commune with a higher source. Essentially, they felt
31:48
that every person had the spark of the divine in them and was able to
31:53
access that. And you know, they certainly had people that would help them
32:00
along the way. They have what we're called fosters or enlightened ones, you
32:06
know, who would help them along the way, but they never served the
32:07
role of priests or intercessors between any individual person and higher consciousness. And you
32:16
know, the vision, the creation vision of the two branches of Christianity kind
32:24
of sums the whole thing up. In the Orthodox version of creation, we
32:29
were like these kind of little clay dolls that God breathed life into and put
32:35
us down here in this insane asylum, bouncing around trying to figure out what
32:37
to do, and we angered God and we were forever trying to get back
32:42
into his uh, you know, good graces. So you know, the
32:46
whole concept of original sin. And essentially that picture sets tells us that wait
32:53
a minute, God and humans are two separate things. Humans are creations of
32:59
God. They're separate. The Gnostics said, no, nope, that's not
33:02
the way it is. God did not create anything. God emanated things,
33:07
and emanation means that you project your own essence. So the Gnostics said,
33:14
that all spirit consciousness, including that spirit consciousness embodied in material form, was
33:19
a projection of the very essence of the Source itself, now albeit in deluded
33:24
forms. Okay, limitation of consciousness was important because without limitation of consciousness,
33:30
there could be no concept of individuality, there could be no individual experience because
33:35
if you know, if you didn't have a limited concept of consciousness, you
33:40
would be the same thing as the Source itself, and you'd just be,
33:43
you know, reabsorbed back into the Source. So even though that there was
33:47
a limitation of vibration, a conscious vibration, for these projected souls, they
33:52
were still part of God's very essence. It's kind of like picture a mountain
33:58
stream, right, and part of it flows downhill and the mountain, and
34:04
as it flows down it picks up various pollutants and dirt and everything else.
34:07
So by the time it gets down to the bottom, it's kind of muddy,
34:09
but it's still part of the same stream. It's still that mountain,
34:14
that mountain lake. It's still part of that stream of consciousness, albeit in
34:17
a deluded form. And that's how the Gnostics essentially viewed humanity. So it's
34:22
a much higher station that they ascribed to humanity than what orthodox chris Ganity said.
34:29
Orthodox Christianity tells us that, you know, we're these sinners and we
34:31
ticked off God. Now we're forever trying to get back into his good graces.
34:35
The Gnostics said, Nah, it's really a matter of remembrance. We
34:37
just have to remember the source that we came from, and because we're connected
34:42
to that source. So you can see right away the huge philosophical difference in
34:46
terms of what it means to be a human being between these two points of
34:50
view, because in the Gnostic point of view, and the way I sum
34:52
it up is that we are the fingers of God touching the face of this
34:57
world, and our purpose is to spiritualize the material and bring the experience of
35:00
the material back to spirit. Okay, so that spirit can experience every form
35:06
of existence in all its fullness, including even material experience. Because how does
35:12
something that spiritual energy experience materiality? So you know, it assigns a much
35:17
higher role to human purpose. And how are these expressed in the secret teachings
35:22
of Jesus. Well, I mean, I think this is exactly what Jesus
35:28
was teaching. Remember, the early Christianity was not called Christianity. It wasn't
35:32
called that for some time after the death of Christ. That was a term
35:37
I think that first was used in whereas an Antioch or Damascus, the local
35:42
population used to describe the follows of Christ, but it was called the Way.
35:46
Now that's a very interesting term that the early Christians call themselves the Way,
35:52
because the Way it doesn't much sound like a religion, does it.
35:53
What it really sounds like is it's a spiritual path. And that's exactly what
36:00
Jesus was teaching. He was teaching a nastic spiritual path. He was teaching
36:04
enlightenment and trying to essentially get people to understand the higher workings of universal creation
36:14
and what exactly the source was, and how the Source manifested itself through different
36:19
realms of creation or different universes of creation, and that we are sort of
36:23
like the bottom line of that process, but we're we're part of it,
36:28
we're interconnected with it. And that's essentially, you know, overall, what
36:31
he would have been teaching his followers or his students back then. So you
36:37
know, it was the Orthodox Christianity that started to put enter the more supernatural
36:43
features in and you know, kind of focus on the supernatural features like the
36:46
resurrection and things like that. I mean, the Gnostics really tended to look
36:51
at that more symbolically than they did literally. So anyway, that was some
36:58
of the differences. And that's what I think this would have been, you
37:00
know, part of the teachings back then. What is the nature of consciousness?
37:07
Well, consciousness first and foremost is energy. But it's a type of
37:10
energy. It's an intelligent energy. It's it Intelligence means that there is intent
37:16
and there is direction. That those are hall marks of intelligence. Okay,
37:22
and it's clear that the supreme consciousness had an intent in a direction because we
37:27
see you know, the manifold wonder of creation. That didn't just happen by
37:31
accident, you know, that was that was that was you know, intentional.
37:37
Um. Now, I don't want to get into I can get into
37:39
some realms that are a little complicated here by saying that, Um, you
37:44
know, the the spirits uh kind of went off on their own and you
37:50
know sort of maybe uh warped. Um, you know, parts of existence
37:57
that weren't maybe originally intended from the soul. Course that's a whole different discussion,
38:01
which would take a long period of time. But clearly there is intention
38:05
and there is intelligence behind it, and light energy is the vehicle by which
38:08
that intention and intelligence is carried out. So you can think of light energy
38:15
essentially is almost like a cosmic DNA. It gives form and it gives shape
38:20
to all the multiplicity and variety that we see in the universe. But it
38:24
all stems back to light energy vibrating at different frequencies. And as you shared
38:32
earlier, matter really is a form of energy. Yeah, that's well established.
38:38
That's not even that pretty much not even a theory anymore. I mean,
38:45
starting from Mock's plank, that's exactly what he was saying. The double
38:49
slid experiment, many other things show that. Then you have Einstein's equals mc
38:52
square, which is probably maybe the most clear example that you know, energy
38:55
equals mass times of loss a light square. What essentially he's saying is that
39:00
matter and energy are interchangeable. Matter derives from and resolves back into energy.
39:05
So which is the basis for um, you know, the nuclear reaction,
39:08
the nuclear bomb. Uh, it's it's the you know, splitting of the
39:13
atom and releasing it back into the energy. It's it's it's energetic state and
39:16
that release of energy is what causes that tremendous force. So I mean even
39:21
within any individual molecular atom, there's a tremendous amount of intelligent, creative force
39:27
that is inherent in those in those minute particles. But um, yeah,
39:34
that's that's what clearly matter and energy are. This are the same thing.
39:39
And you know there are there are all forms of matter that where there's visible
39:44
matter, but then there's matter we don't see. It's called dark matter,
39:47
and there's probably other forms of etheric matter, finer matter that is vibrating at
39:52
a higher frequency. Um, it's probably a you know, a grading system
39:58
on down from pure spiritual energy to various states of matter and then into matter
40:04
and solid form like we are down here. It's it's all a matter of
40:07
vibrational frequency. And what is it the second law of thermodynamics. Energy can
40:13
neither be created nor destroyed, but changes from form to form. Yeah,
40:17
yeah, that's right. Is our quote unquote reality a cosmic holographic movie.
40:27
Well it certainly seems so. The double split experiment essentially and non locality essentially
40:34
showed us that there's a matrix that is an unseen matrix out there that is
40:38
connecting life, and many of the most brilliant theoretical physicists has said that the
40:45
appearance of physical matter is kind of like a blip in the energy field.
40:50
So if you think you think of leting, giving example, you think of
40:58
an ocean, and sometimes and I've seen this happen in Florida, a water
41:04
spout, which is kind of like a water water borne tornado can develop out
41:08
of that smooth water. And you see, you can see it as a
41:15
physical entity. You can see the water spout, but really it's part of
41:19
that still water that is below it. It's like a blemish on the smooth
41:23
surface of the water. Essentially, many physicists as saying that's what material life
41:29
is. Where like a blemish in the smooth surface of this underlying of this
41:34
underlying energy field. Where like a you know, like a blip in the
41:37
underlying energy field. So energy has a lot to do with it. And
41:47
what happened that's very interesting that leads us to even further believe that we live
41:54
in a holographic movie. Comes with a study of black holes of all things.
42:00
So when science has started to study black holes, they they started to
42:05
realize that the information and incidentally information. Again, as I told you,
42:09
information is a critical part of of all these forces because information, essentially is
42:16
that intelligent light energy or that intent in operation. That's information is kind of
42:22
like the DNA that gives um, you know, the algorithms that give shape
42:28
to all the various forms of matter. So what they found out was that
42:32
the information that makes up a black hole does not reside within the black hole
42:37
itself. It resides outside the black hole on the surface horizon. Now,
42:44
I know that's a little difficult to grasp, so let me try and give
42:45
a more understandable analogy here. Let's say you have a bucket, and inside
42:52
the bucket is our universe. And our universe does have boundaries. Okay,
42:55
just like a black hole has defined boundaries, our universe has boundaries. So
43:00
let's say our entire universe, US Earth, you know, all the galaxies
43:05
and everything are inside this cosmic bucket. Now, you would think that the
43:08
information that makes up our universe is inside the bucket. All the activity,
43:14
the comings and goings, the planets and everything else. All that information.
43:16
You think that that's inside the bucket. But it's not. It's on the
43:20
outside of the bucket. It's on the skin of the bucket. It's in
43:22
two dimensions, and it's projected inward to the appearance of three dimensions. This
43:27
is exactly what they found in the study of black holes. So so essentially,
43:31
when you combine this with you know, all the speculations about you know,
43:37
nonlocality and how all these all these, you know, everything is connected
43:40
in this energy matrix, and then all of a sudden, you see that
43:44
We'll wait a minute, um, it appears that our whole universe, our
43:49
whole world, is a projection from another source or another dimension of existence.
43:54
And this is exactly what the gnostics we're saying that, and and and actually
43:59
mystics in general are saying that. You know, we live in an illusion.
44:00
We live in a projected illusion. It's a construct, an energetic mind
44:06
construct in the mind of a higher pollow. It sounds pretty abstract, but
44:12
you know, all of a sudden, you have some pretty powerful information in
44:15
the form of these black hole studies that are telling us, you know,
44:17
what our world really does seem to be operating like a holographic movie. My
44:22
guest is Peter Canova. His book Quantum Spirituality, Science, Gnostic Mysticism and
44:29
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My guests this week Peter Canova, his book Quantum Spirituality, Science, Gnostic
45:21
Mysticism, and Connecting with Source Consciousness. Peter, how does the work of
45:25
Carl Jung reflect some of what we've been discussing well? In so many ways?
45:31
Carl Jung when he first read the Gnostic text, he said, you
45:37
know, these people basically describe my work before I did it. And he
45:45
was himself what I would call a spontaneous Gnostic. He had many vivid dreams
45:51
and experiences that were certainly you would say of Gnostic revelations. And you know,
46:00
there's so many parallels that it's just hard to to cite all of them,
46:04
but for instance, you know, one example would be his notion of
46:08
archetypes. Archetypes were something that Plato also talked about. Young further defined and
46:15
he said, archetypes are these ideals that that seem to control human existence.
46:23
Now they can be both of a positive and negative variety, but um,
46:29
you know, he's the human psyche essentially is motivated at deepest levels and operates
46:36
through these archetypes. And the Gnostics described these archetypes. They said that the
46:40
spirit, the original spirits that were projected from the Source, which in their
46:46
totality with the Source constituted with the Gnostics viewed as the heavenly dimension. The
46:52
first projected spirits of high high intelligence were given interesting names. They were called
46:59
love, wisdom, justice, mercy. Essentially, they were ideals in the
47:02
mind of God, even though they were separate spiritual or individual vibrations from the
47:09
source that projected them. They were projected ideals or directive forces from the mind
47:17
or the mind of the Source. And Young identified these same archetypes as being
47:28
motivators for human existence in present and every human culture. So certainly that was
47:36
one thing that he described that was exactly in keeping with the whole Gnostic idea
47:42
of the archetypes, which they called eons incidentally aeo ns, which meant eternities
47:47
in Greek. You can call them eternal ideas, eternal feelings, eternal ideas,
47:52
and Young identified these as very much embedded in the human psyche. There
48:00
were many other instances, you know. Young described the unconscious as as the
48:07
source of um, where things were unformed, things were in potential, and
48:14
the Gnostics essentially described chaos as being in the same way. There was a
48:19
zone that that had that stayed outside of the organized m mind of the source
48:25
on purpose because it was given potential to be random chance, so that everything
48:30
wasn't just a locked destiny or a locked uniformity. And the Gnostics identified this
48:35
as chaos, and essentially Young talked about the same force, you know,
48:37
residing with the human unconscious. So there are many many things that you could
48:42
draw parallels between Young and the Nastics. Those are just a couple. What
48:45
is the feminine path to higher consciousness? The mystics of ancient times, and
48:53
I'm not just talking about the Gnostics, almost all of them identified the fact
48:58
that the source is a polarity um. It it's they described it as a
49:04
male and female polarity, a yin and yang polarity. And even though the
49:08
source is won, it operated in its and it's um effort to project existence
49:16
outside of itself. Because if you're if you're the source of everything, it's
49:22
a static existence. Okay, if you're everything you it's it's static because you
49:27
can't compare yourself to anything else. There's nothing else to contrast you with.
49:30
So in an effort to create existence which is not just, which is not
49:36
just being but experiencing, the Source projected out these other points of consciousness that
49:40
we've spoken of, uh and um the UH. The The way it operated
49:49
was that the source divided itself into a polarity which was male and female yin
49:54
and yang. And the reason for this is that the the reaction between those
50:00
polar opposites, between the male qualities and the female qualities, created the light,
50:06
friction, motion heat in order to propel creation, just the way you
50:08
know a battery operates. We have positive and negative cables in the battery and
50:13
the interactions between those is essentially what creates light. And that's how the source
50:17
created light energy the same same way, in essence, a battery would operate
50:22
so the feminine side of the equation was really the intuitive wisdom side, and
50:32
it was always described this way in all the ancient texts that the feminine principles
50:37
of the feminine characteristics were always associated with wisdom and intuition. So intuition and
50:45
wisdom are really the gateways to higher consciousness. You know, we won't really
50:51
get far in our lives if we're completely or rational people and we only operate
50:55
off of numbers and appearances and everything else. But this such a thing is
51:00
instinct, and this such a thing is inspiration, and this such a thing
51:04
as motivation and feeling, and those are all feminine characteristics, and those are
51:07
pretty much the gateway to having higher experiences. Now both operate in unison,
51:15
you can't. You want to have a balance between them. And in fact,
51:19
Jung told us that the each each individual human being has the male and
51:25
the female in them. He called it the anima and the animus, and
51:30
that is the yin and yang, the male and female. We each have
51:32
these polarities inside us, and that's even demonstrated in you know the fact that
51:37
our brain has two hemispheres. We have a right brain and a left brain,
51:39
each of them associated with various types of characteristics, but it's the feet.
51:44
But I at least I feel that it's the female principle with the intuition,
51:49
the feeling and so forth, that is kind of the gateway to having
51:52
these experiences to higher consciousness. And you know, it's I used to liken
51:58
it to a rocket. Rocket has two components. It has the guidance system
52:00
and the fuel. Well, the female is the fuel, and if you
52:05
don't have the fuel, you never get off the ground. The mail is
52:07
the guidance system, and you can get off the ground, but if you
52:10
don't have the guidance system, you kind of don't know where you're going.
52:13
So they both need each other, you know, for a directed experience.
52:16
Back to source consciousness. Recently, we've seen a reactionary, fear based effort
52:22
to suppress the strides that women have achieved. Why do you think this is
52:25
happening? I mean, I think, well, I think there's a I
52:36
think there's a larger context here, and I have actually seen the opposite.
52:45
I don't think the elements you're talking about, I don't see them as very
52:49
prominent. If anything, I see much more of the feminine spirit being unleashed
52:53
in the world right now, and women rising. If anything else, what
52:58
I see more as being in jeopardy is our freedoms. I mean, we
53:02
were in an error right now where people are trying to tell you what to
53:09
think, how how how to you know what pronouns to use, what you
53:15
know, what you should be saying and not saying in public and if you
53:17
if you cross that line, they cancel you. Okay, That's what I'm
53:22
more concerned about. I'm more concerned about the rise of this kind of a
53:27
reactionary thought control because there's always people in this world. And this goes right
53:30
back to the Nastics. The Gnostics had Um had identified a you know,
53:36
dark side of a human existence, a dark side of the psyche, which
53:39
they called the arcons. And the arcons were all were a control mechanism.
53:45
They they invaded your mind in effect, uh and um, you know,
53:49
try to control your thought and you know what you were doing, limit your
53:52
freedom in essence in order to feed their own ends. And I see analogs
53:59
of this happening in our society today. And the unfortunate thing is that these
54:05
negative things all go in through positive banners. They're all saying, oh,
54:08
well, you know we're being progressive, We're trying to do this and that,
54:10
but it's not progress at all. If if if an essence, it's
54:14
trying to you know, curtail your freedom to be a thinking individual. So,
54:17
um, if anything, I see women on the rise, and I
54:21
see that as a positive counter force to this, because I think, um,
54:24
you know, the women's intuition ultimately can help us win out over these
54:31
um uh, these forces and uh and these influences. And I see it
54:37
more. You know, for instance, Mary Magdalen. Nobody when I started
54:40
writing, nobody knew who Mary Magdalen was. Now there's an explosion of information
54:45
and questions and you know, literature on Mary Magdalene and what she symbolized.
54:52
So I see that as being very positive. My guest is Peter Canova,
54:55
his latest book, Quantum Spirituality, Science, Gnostic Mysticism and Connecting with Source
55:01
Consciousness. Peter, one more time, please share with our listeners with it,
55:06
get your books and find out more about you and your amazing work.
55:08
Yeah. Sure, you can go to Petercanova dot com. That's pe T
55:13
E r c A n o va dot com. That's my website which will
55:17
talk about both Quantum spirituality. It has links leading into the fictional series that
55:23
for Souls Trilogy, or you can go directly to Pope Ana Lisa Pope a
55:30
n n Alisa dot com, which more specifically deals with the first book of
55:36
the first Souls trilogy. So, um, you know, I think go
55:38
to the Peter Canova website first and then have fun with it. I think
55:43
it has a lot of information that will be very interesting to people. Peter,
55:45
thank you so much for joining us and sharing your experience and wisdom my
55:51
pleasure. Thank you, and thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited.
55:55
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