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UK Column News - 2nd July 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the 2nd of July
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just after 1:00. Welcome to UK Call News.
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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. Joining me Bev video link today
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are researcher and activist Sandy Adams and journalist and
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peace campaigner Vanessa Bailey. Now in a few minutes, Charles,
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we'll be reporting on the latest geoengineering news.
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Vanessa will bring us the latest news on Gaza.
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And Sandy, we'll be covering the House of Commons debate on egg
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donation by young women. But we're going to begin with
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the question of whether or not the UK is a dictatorship.
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Now Alex Creole writes the Thinking Coalition Substack and
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his latest article asks exactly that question.
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Now the the latest reason, or at least the latest reason why the
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question arises, is that the text of the What Does an MP Do
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page on the UK Parliament website has changed at some
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point in the last couple of weeks.
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I'm very pleased to say that Alex Grill joins us now to
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discuss what has changed and when it changed.
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Welcome to the programme, Alex. Let me begin by asking you how
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you came to discover the change in the text, because I don't
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imagine that this is a page that people look at as a matter of
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routine. It's a special kind of weirdo to
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be tracing the changes in UK parliament website.
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But seriously, I was actually looking at explaining to people
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on Substack how the vote on the decriminalisation of abortion to
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birth was a breach of the MP's requirements to represent the
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public and represent their constituents in, in the Houses
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of Commons. And when I went to look at the
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definition to show people, look, this is what they're supposed to
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do, a completely different text came up.
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And I sort of checked several times through, through the
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archive system as well. And I, I, I worked out, yes,
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exactly. There'd been a very significant
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change. OK, welcome back.
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Apologies for the technical issue there.
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Not quite sure what happened, but there we go.
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Anyway, Alex was talking there about the changes to the
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Parliamentary House of Commons website, the Parliament website
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and the role of MP. So let's just let's just run
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through what those changes were. So this is what the text used to
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say. The public The UK public elects
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Members of Parliament to represent their interests and
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concerns in the House of Commons.
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MPs consider and can propose new laws as well as raising issues
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that matter to you in the House. This includes asking government
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ministers questions about current issues, including those
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that affect local constituents. And well, this is the text that
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has it has been changed to It now says MPs work both at the UK
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Parliament and their local constituencies.
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How and where they work is largely up to them to decide.
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There is no job description on a contract of employment for MPs,
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nor any rules on how they how they should balance the
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competing demands of these two roles.
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However, MPs must abide by standards of conduct, rules and
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conventions. So this is quite a a a change
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and in fact, Alex, all mention of elections and representation
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have been removed from the page as a whole.
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And just as bad as that, MP's constituency work seems to be
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considered as a second role to whatever they do in parliament
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from now on. So what's your take on this?
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Why have they made this change? Well, I think the first thing is
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to to recognise this change has obviously been made very
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deliberately. These things don't get done by
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accident. And we've seen in the past, you
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know, when definitions of things like pandemics and vaccines and
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all other things change, then sort of bad things tend to
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happen afterwards. They, they tend to be sort of
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weaponized, those new definitions.
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And my my guess is that, you know, as we get more into a sort
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of dictatorial top down system of government, they're just
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trying to re educate people into the idea that MPs don't actually
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represent constituents and the public.
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They're actually performing almost a technocratic function
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of some description. I think it's it's seeding the
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idea that we're moving to a less democratic system as my guess.
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Well, I mean, I've argued for a long time that the role of MPs
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has already changed in the sense that rather than representing
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constituents views in Parliament, they tend to
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represent policy views to constituents.
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And, you know, often we see a massive disparity between the
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comments made in the House of Commons by an MP and what may be
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said by people on social media or whatnot.
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There seems to be a disconnect in general.
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But this is taking it even further by removing the idea of
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of an electorate of elections from the definition.
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That seems like a pretty dangerous precedent to be, or
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certainly a dangerous direction to be heading in.
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Yeah, I completely agree. And I mean, the reason I
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stumbled into it was trying to explain how Parliament managed
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to approve abortion to birth, which is something that, I mean,
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every survey I've seen says 90 plus percent of the survey
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respondents. Suppose I was trying to explain,
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well, how is this even remotely possible?
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And as you said, it's, it's happening more now that the
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parliamentary vote is, I mean, it's totally at odds with the
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views of the electorate and it's very dangerous.
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And, you know, then to find in the meantime, as I was doing
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that research, that actually their job description had also
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been changed as very sinister. So I agree.
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And it's, it's been like that. I think it's getting worse.
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And it's been like that since politicians start setting their
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global agendas somewhere outside the UK.
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As soon as you get into these 20302050, you're already
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suggesting that democracy in country is not that relevant
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because the big plans are set elsewhere over multiple election
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cycles. And in fact, we in the current
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climate, of course, the war agenda as well, they are taking
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no notice of whether there is any support for that policy
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whatsoever. Yeah, there was quite a famous,
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I I looked at it the there was a sort of non binding resolution
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of Parliament to call for peace, which was also supported by the
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overwhelming majority of people in surveys.
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And as you said, Parliament voted against that non binding,
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kind of meaningless to be honest resolution to call for peace and
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Gaza a couple of years ago. And, and as you said, you see it
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all the time in these decisions, The parliamentary action is
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diametrically opposed to what people want, as expressed in
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surveys and what have you. No, it's it's interesting that
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we've asked the House of Commons media team for a statement about
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this, but so far they've not responded.
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That's perhaps not surprising. Of course, we'll update everyone
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if they do, but are you shocked by the fact they haven't
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provided a response to this issue yet?
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No, not, not at all. And you know, as we suggested,
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this is very deliberate. These things are quite serious
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and they don't get done by accident.
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So we're actually intending to write to the speaker, probably
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with our usual sort of allies. Hopefully the Heritage Party and
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others will join in with that, and we will ask them to, well,
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we'll sort of more or less require them to replace that new
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wording with the old wording. And we'll argue that the new
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wording is completely inappropriate and needs to be
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deleted. And we don't expect a lot of
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traction with that. But we're just going to keep on
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pushing that if we can. OK.
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Well, thank you, Alex. I mean, you're going to be
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joining us an extra letter, but in the meantime, you're talking
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about way and so on. How do people follow your work?
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Well, there's sub stack thinking coalition and the website is
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thinking coalition.org and those are good places to start.
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Twitter is at thinking slow one. Thanks for that.
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Thank you for that, Alex. Now just before we move on,
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Vanessa, maybe I could just ask you what your thoughts are on
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this. Do you have any comment to make
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on on the fact that apparently there's no open acknowledgement
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that the electorate doesn't count?
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Well, I mean, we've been heading into a stealth dictatorship for
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some time, haven't we? And I think one of the earlier
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signs for for both of us, Mike, was the sudden closure of the
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access to government spending over 25,000, which we've talked
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about multiple times. But everything else from COVID
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to the wars that they're waging and enabling and facilitating
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without any consent from the electorate in the UK.
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But it's, you know, we are, we're, we're living under a
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dictatorship while pointing the finger everywhere else in order
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to facilitate war and militarism.
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It's it's horrible. Thank you for that.
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Now the UK government has debated A petition about
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outlawing all forms of geoengineering, Which seems to
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have brought out a false binary argument of a choice between net
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zero or wet weather, sorry weather modification.
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Now, Charles isn't with us today, but he has sent us this
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report on on that debate and the implications.
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Thanks Mike. Geoengineering brought back into
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the public square by this recent petition on the subject of
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geoengineering. Make all forms of geoengineering
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affecting the environment illegal.
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Signed by 160,000 people rather more than in fact, and therefore
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to be debated in the House of Commons now in order to ensure
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that all present would be on the same page.
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The House of Commons Library produced a briefing document
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about this in which they were keen to make the various points
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that whilst there had been funding for modelling research
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to understand the potential impacts of solar radiation
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management deployment, which is effectively treating the sky
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with chemicals in order to reflect the sun's rays.
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Or at least say the theory goes that it wasn't actually going to
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be happening. There is also a clause about
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what they call chemtrails. They say the term chemtrails
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refers to unsupported theories that the long lasting trails of
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condensation sometimes left in the sky by aeroplanes, brackets,
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contrails, closed brackets are produced by the deliberate
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spraying of certain chemicals into the atmosphere.
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So the debate itself took place on the 23rd of June and this was
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led by Roz Savage who was keen to concentrate not so much on
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what she described as being natural methods of
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geoengineering such as planting Woodlands and encouraging growth
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of peat bogs etcetera. But she also lumped in with that
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carbon catcher, which is certainly not in any way
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natural. But what she was keen to talk
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about was the unintended consequences of technology such
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as SRM. She said that humanity does not
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have a good track record on on this.
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Weather systems are immensely complex, interconnected and not
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well understood. Altering sunlight could
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potentially disrupt monsoons or shift jet streams, or trigger
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droughts in some regions whilst causing floods in others.
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Of course she's quite right to point this out.
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And Angus MacDonald went on to make the point that mains gas at
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the moment is 6 pence per kWh, whilst renewable energy is
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selling at 24 pence per hour. So again, he was highlighting
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the the point that frankly, this situation at the moment is
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simply untenable on economic grounds.
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Nick Timothy significantly asked about Aria, the Advanced
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Research and Innovation Agency, and the fundamental point of his
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question was to ask why would you fund something when you say
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you're not going to do it? The response from the permanent
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Under Secretary Climate, who is Kerry McCarthy, said that Aria
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was conducting cautious, controlled research aimed at
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improving the understanding of SRM risks and impacts, but it is
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not deploying SRM technologies. I say again that it's research
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will not release any toxic materials, nor will it alleviate
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the urgent need for increased decarbonisation efforts.
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There is no substitute for decarbonisation, which is why we
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are pressing on with our missions for clean power and net
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zero. Now the fundamental question
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remains unanswered, which is why would you research something if
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you're absolutely not intending to practise it?
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But either way, the point that falls out of this debate is that
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we are continually presented with a false binary and in
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casting SRM as the demon. It is very obvious therefore
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that pushing people towards the net zero agenda is the desired
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outcome from this. And of course, what it does is
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it removes the debate from that particular issue in that there's
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no proper rigorous scientific examination of either the
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necessity for it or indeed the consequences of it.
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It's very hard to demonstrate in any meaningful sense that
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removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere would make any
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difference to climate that could actually be ascribed to that
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change. Now this brings us on to the
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action of 0 Hour, effectively a site for campaigning and
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activism on this very subject. And notably they have backed the
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Climate Nature Bill, which of course was put forward by Roz
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Savage, and that was as a private member's bill.
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It's been through the House for its first reading and comes in
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for its second reading, having been deferred from January next
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Friday, the 11th of July. Now the reason for pointing you
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towards that is really to make the point that it's just simply
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not a grassroots activity or campaign.
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They have a banner across the bottom of their website, shown
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here, saying they've raised nearly 46,000 lbs, but only from
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720 donations, suggesting the people involved here have rather
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deeper pockets than the average man on the street.
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And I think that's the point very much worth making because
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this is absolutely an elite agenda.
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And the other thing that has crept in recently and cannot be
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ignored anymore is the way in which human rights are now being
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weaponized in order to secure a future for people.
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That means that climate change is being addressed and
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references to indigenous people. We see here on screen the news
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story that the government to the United Kingdom has submitted a
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statement on the promotion and protection of human rights in
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the context of climate change to the UN Human Rights Council.
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This course is backed up by a page on the United Nations
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website talking about human rights being a strong lever for
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progress in climate change. So in effect, this is beginning
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to manipulate but also invert the very idea of human rights in
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the way in which they might express themselves.
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And this goes back some years. The BBC here talking about the
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European Court on Human Rights being violated by climate
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inaction. And this is the extraordinary
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case reported on previously by UK column that went up from the
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Swiss courts to the European Court of Human Rights in which 4
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ladies who were all, I think over the age of 70, said the
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Swiss authorities were not taking sufficient action to
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mitigate the effects of climate change.
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They wanted human rights to be used in such a way that the
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government would have more rather than less interference in
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their lives. Now a precedent has been set and
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this is now reflected back on this side of the Channel by this
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paper in the House of Commons Library saying that there is a
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new precedent for in human rights law, which is a a
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somewhat alarming progression to note.
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But it's not all bad. And what I want to to close with
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is an engagement at Leeds City Council on the 30th of June in
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which we see here a still of Trudeau and Suzanne addressing
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the council in a a calm and reasonable way and therefore
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getting the best out of those that were there.
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And there's not time to show the video in this clip now, but I
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will have the link to it in the show notes.
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And I really would encourage you to watch this council session
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session because they set their case out very, very well and
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they get the responses that they deserve in that there is a calm
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and reasoned counter conversation.
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And indeed one hopes that that after the meeting this will
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actually lead somewhere sensible.
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Now this was one of the replies of the one of the councillors
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present. In terms of worldwide emissions,
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Great Britain is 1%, Leeds is 1% of.
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Great Britain. And if we go on, as Ed Miliband
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wants us to go on, with solar farms, wind farms, with
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electricity costs to industry the highest in the world, it
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will bankrupt the country. That's my view.
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We should. And if you remember this
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government came to power saying that they were committed to
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growth, well, you know, there's just no growth.
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So I believe we should continue with oil and gas and forget it.
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Thank you. No.
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I I stopped the the clip there because you would have heard a
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very brief smatter of applause at the end and of course he was
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the only person that was applauded, presumably because he
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has managed to trap himself in the real world.
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Now the next clip is from another councillor and it's very
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interesting to see how propaganda does actually affect
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itself, particularly where hypotheticals and modelling are
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affected. So just have a listen to this.
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Because once the average global temperature goes above 1.5° C,
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we get to what is known as a tipping point, which we can't
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return. So the positive feedback loops
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kick in. We already know that the ice
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caps are melting. We already know that the perma,
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the permafrost areas of the world are melting and releasing
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more CO2 into the atmosphere. And when that happens, you get
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into a positive feedback loop, which from which it will be very
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difficult to recover from. That's why it's known as the
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climate emergency. No, I have absolutely no doubt
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that she fully believes what she says, but her idea of a positive
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feedback loop is something that neither she nor anybody who
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dabbles in this area of what might be called climate science
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can ever substantiate. And this represents the
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fundamental issue with the geoengineering debate, which
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absolutely will be 1. Not not just that we follow, but
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also that I would encourage you to get involved in because you
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can see from that meeting there that there there absolutely can
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be positive outcomes. Well, let's discuss a little bit
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more about the positive outcomes, particularly from that
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Leeds event. And welcome, Sandy to the
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programme. You have some more on this.
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Hi Mike. Yeah, thank you very much.
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Yeah, I mean as as as we saw from from Charles's presentation
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net 0 isn't working and Britain's are increasingly
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turning against net 0 as a bombshell poll reveals they're
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now they now fear the impact will leave will will actually
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impact on the cost of living. The survey from the Merlin
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Strategy reveals that public mood has shifted sharply on net
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zero and asked whether Ed Miliband's Maddie.
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Her policies have helped or hurt their living standards.
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More voters more more voters are now agreeing, and they say they
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have. 38% have said that net zero has, have had a negative
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impact on their standard of living.
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So we're seeing this big backlash now and, and it's
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really heartening to see that happening in our, in our town
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councils. You know, the survey really
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suggests that people are looking now at nuclear energy.
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And Charles's clip from the Leeds meeting from Neil Buckley
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particularly endorses this fact that people are losing, they're
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losing the whole, the whole narrative pro net 0.
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They're they're really winding it back now.
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I do have a clip from that same meeting with Suzanne Henderson
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and Trudy from ukcitizen.org. I can't stress how important UK
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citizens work is. They have downloadable legal
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packs on their website to help you challenge your local council
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and then it's amazing. It's put together by Jane Lord
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who's a lawyer who is part of UK citizen.org.
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Amazing team they are. Do please look at ukcitizen.org
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and challenge your council because you're not alone.
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People are doing it now. Now Trudy mentions the gunning
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principles in that same video and how they were not adhered to
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in consultations for massive solar farms occupying precious
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farmland. And she also mentions that in
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Pembrokeshire Council, they've recently moved their climate
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emergency to review as they're no, they, they're no longer
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confident that it was the right decision to make, which is
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really encouraging. So it was really good to see so
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many councillors agreeing with her on that, on that, on that
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clip. Anyway, we couldn't show it all.
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But as Charles said, it's in the show notes.
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So let's just look at Suzanne Henderson speaking at Leeds
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about predictions that didn't happen.
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Thank you. Let's also reflect on a few
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predictions that all that never came to pass to pass.
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In 1970, scientists warned of a new Ice Age by the 21st century.
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In 1988, NASA's James Hansen predicted parts of Manhattan
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would be underwater by 2008. A 2001 IPCC report suggests that
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snow would become rare in the UK by 2020.
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In 2008, scientists forecasted an ice free Arctic by 2013.
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We've heard some terms evolve too, from global cooling in the
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70s to global warming and finally climate change when
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warming failed to match the projections.
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Right now, net zero is losing credibility, not in the just in
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the UK, but around the world. Germany has shut down wind farms
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over cost and inefficiency and Audi is shifting back to diesel.
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Public confidence is waning as shown by the growing support for
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reform. So we ask, will you continue to
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support and allow these large scale projects to go ahead
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without challenge, even when they may not serve the public
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interest? So yeah, that was Suzanne
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Henderson from ukcitizen.org. And yeah, do go on their website
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challenge your council. Thank you.
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Thank you, Sandy. Thank you for that very much.
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Now let's move on to international news.
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And while things remain quiet with respect to Iran, at least
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in the meantime, Israel continues the operation in Gaza.
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What's the latest Vanessa? Well, an uptick in the genocide
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against Palestinians in Gaza. The first video just shows a
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very recent in the last 48 hours of bombing of the AL Baka Koff
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Cafe on the coastal zone of Gaza.
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So let's just have a quick look at the video.
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So this cafe was jam packed full of journalists and and just
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people trying to find some kind of respite from the hourly or
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minute by minute slaughter that is ongoing.
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One particular journalist by an Abu Sultan was among the dozens
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injured. We can just see the picture of
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her up on screen. This was her yesterday. 25
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people at least were killed and many others, of course, were
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injured. And this is indicative of what
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Israel is doing and it's targeting particularly of
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journalists, but not only journalists.
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So in the last in 24 hours, this has been reported on X this
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morning, 105 Palestinians killed in the last 24 hours alone.
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Palestinian artist Frank Amina al Salmi was murdered by the
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Zionist airstrike on Al Baka Kafi in Gaza City on the 1st of
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July. She drew a portrait of herself a
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few weeks before she was killed. So let's just have a look at the
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portrait that she drew of herself.
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This was her last painting and on the right is her last moment.
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And I have to say that when I was in Gaza in 2012 during the
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Israeli aggression, I, I personally worked with a team
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that were gathering testimonies from families who particularly
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lost children in the Zionist aggression.
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Every single family told me that the child had some kind of
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premonition of their death on the day that they were killed,
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in addition to the starvation, the blockade, the everyday
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slaughter. Now we discover, according to
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many reports in local media, drugs have been found hidden in
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flower bags distributed by the US backed aid group.
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That, of course, was created by Israel in order to control the
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supply of food and aid to the people, or in other words, to to
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use it as a lethal weapon and use it as a lure to bring people
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in to be killed. In a statement, Gaza's
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government media office said that prescription painkiller
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oxycodone, which is an opioid, was found by Palestinians inside
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the flour bags they received from the US run aid distribution
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points in Gaza. So of course, what is this going
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to do? In addition to everything else,
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this is going to increase opioid dependency and also sedate
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anyone, of course, that that is unfortunate enough to to eat or
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use that particular flour. And just one image, which was in
27:25
the same article, which I think epitomises what is happening in
27:30
Gaza, the destruction in the background and people desperate
27:34
for a single bag of flour to to feed themselves.
27:37
There are constant images across all social media platforms of
27:43
children and and young people dying literally from starvation.
27:48
And then finally, this was a report that I think originally
27:51
came out in Hertz or in Hebrew media.
27:55
Killing fields, the Israeli soldiers ordered to shoot
27:58
unarmed Palestinians at the aid sites, the GHF sites.
28:04
So what does it actually say? This is testimony from one of
28:08
the soldiers who describes it as a killing field where I was
28:12
stationed. Between one and five people were
28:14
killed every day. They're treated like a hostile
28:17
force. No crowd control measures, no
28:19
tear gas, just live fire with everything imaginable, heavy
28:23
machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars.
28:26
Then once the centre opens, the shooting stops and they know
28:29
they can approach. Our form of communication is
28:32
gunfire, so basically what they say they're doing is in the
28:36
morning they're shooting to prevent a build up of crowds and
28:39
in the evening to disperse the people from the aid centres and
28:43
of course they're slaughtering Palestinians in the process.
28:49
Vanessa, thank you for that grim report.
28:52
Once again, it is tragic, but we are going to talk much more
28:56
about this in Extra as well. So anyway, in the meantime, we
29:00
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29:41
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29:51
with some pretty exciting speakers.
29:54
Sandy, let's just mention that yet again, another event that
29:59
you're involved with has been cancelled.
30:02
Yes, it has indeed. The The witch hunt continues in
30:07
in Glastonbury and surrounding areas where Clive de Carl,
30:10
Richard Robes and myself have been cancelled yet again.
30:13
This is the fourth time now and we'd even chosen A venue outside
30:17
of town. But somehow the, the, the
30:21
community Solidarity Stroud and community Solidarity Glastonbury
30:25
have got to them. We are dangerous people and we
30:28
are right wing and we're dreadful and we cannot be
30:31
allowed to speak. So free speech is gone in my
30:35
location I'm afraid. So we are battling this
30:39
obviously. But it's, it's just, you know,
30:42
it's a sign of the times at the moment, how censored we are
30:45
becoming and how we are living as, you know, as Alex mentioned
30:50
earlier. Yeah, we're living in a sort of
30:52
politburo now where we're not allowed to have free speech.
30:55
And it's pretty awful, yeah. OK, well let's see if this one
31:00
does go ahead because there's a distant meet up taking place on
31:03
Sunday the 20th of July. It's a full day event and seven
31:08
speakers including yourself and Andrew Bridgen.
31:11
Indeed, I'll be speaking about devolution among other things.
31:15
And, and yes, it should be a really good event.
31:18
It's a beautiful place, Goffin Land.
31:20
It's this lovely in nature, big barn and field and the weather
31:25
should be good and we're hoping for a big audience there.
31:29
And we are not censored in Gough Inland, it's privately owned.
31:33
Fantastic. Thank you.
31:34
And finally another event coming up.
31:37
The glitch in this is part of the Matrix Tour of Stratford
31:41
upon Avon Saturday the June the 28th and this is related to
31:46
yellow boards activity. So four teams of yellow boards
31:49
coming together for a day of community outreach.
31:52
Details will be in the show notes and the graphic is on the
31:54
screen at the moment. OK, let's come back to Palestine
31:59
related issues. And as expected or at least as
32:04
forecast, the Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has laid a draught
32:08
prescription order in parliament which will prescribe the group
32:11
Palestine Action. So she has also included two
32:15
other organisations in this order.
32:18
And by doing so she has acquitted Palestine Action with
32:21
the Maniacs murder cult and the Russian Imperial Movement, which
32:25
are both paramilitary or at least have parliament military
32:28
links. Now this will make it a criminal
32:31
offence to be one of these groups or to invite a or
32:35
recklessly express support for them as they put it.
32:38
And I would like to them to define recklessly, which of
32:41
course they don't do. Parliament is now going to
32:43
consider and debate the draught order.
32:47
And if passed, the order will make it an offence punishable by
32:50
up to 14 years in prison to belong to or to support the
32:54
groups. Because let's never forget, the
32:56
first duty of government is to keep everyone safe.
32:59
And for the avoidance of doubt, that last sentence was dripping
33:02
with sarcasm. The keep everyone safe trope.
33:06
It's a storytelling convention which they have made up to
33:09
justify the dictatorship they've created.
33:11
So we're back on that theme again.
33:13
And now the Home Office says that quotes prescription is
33:16
ideologically neutral. By deciding to prescribe these
33:19
three organisations, the government is demonstrating it's
33:23
0 tolerance approach to terrorism regardless of its form
33:27
of underlying ideology. And you know this is a pretty
33:30
extreme step by effectively taking people who were
33:34
protesting in a particular way and calling them terrorists now.
33:38
Palestine Action's response said quotes bundling Palestine
33:41
Action, a domestic civil disobedience protest group, and
33:44
with foreign neo Nazi organisations further highlights
33:49
how unjustified and preposterous the Home Secretary's proposed
33:53
prescription of Palestine Action is.
33:55
These foreign organisations are the kinds of groups they say
33:58
that prescription was designed to target, not protesters who
34:02
disrupt arms factories and spray paint on warplanes to protest
34:05
war crimes and genocide. Now, isn't it interesting that
34:08
the Home Office took no similar actions with respect to Just
34:12
Stop Stop Oil, which employed largely similar protest tactics?
34:16
Could it be that the activities of that group suited the
34:19
government agenda at the time? Vanessa, I'd be very interested
34:23
in your thoughts on this because this seems to be once again
34:26
evidence of dictatorship and certainly massive overreach.
34:32
Yeah, I was interested to see in the government statement text
34:35
that they talk about violence and serious criminal damage.
34:37
While of course the British government is enabling violence
34:40
and and serious criminal damage to Gaza and to the occupied
34:45
territories of Palestine. Not to mention Syria and the
34:48
rest of the region where the UK has through its militarism and
34:53
proxy forces, destroyed much of the region.
34:55
And then the fact that Palestine action, which is protesting
35:00
genocide that is enabled by the British government is conflated
35:05
with neo Nazi groups or white supremacist groups, which is the
35:09
Russian monarchist group, while again, the UK is supporting neo
35:13
Nazis in Ukraine. So it's as you said, Mike, it's
35:17
dripping with hypocrisy and and I mean, it's just becoming
35:22
insane. We're becoming little Israel
35:23
rather than Little Britain, as far as I can work out.
35:27
Yeah, well, that's a reasonable point to make.
35:30
Alex, I'm going to hijack you here because I realise I haven't
35:32
primed you for this question, but I just wonder if you've got
35:35
any thoughts on this. Yeah, I mean, militarism is is
35:42
bad news. And as I said in that, in that
35:47
sort of non, non committal vote on peace, that's what people
35:51
wanted here right at the beginning of the Gaza conflict.
35:54
And Parliament just voted that proposal down.
35:57
It's it's the same thing. They just keep pushing these
36:00
forever wars. And we know they Johnson
36:04
scuppered the Istanbul talks in April 2022.
36:08
I don't I don't believe anybody in the UK essentially would
36:11
support that move. You know, the protagonists have
36:14
agreed a peace out, outline peace agreement and it's the UK,
36:18
the Prime Minister that goes in and destroys it.
36:20
I don't believe there's any support for that kind of
36:22
activity. But that's what the government
36:24
does. They are.
36:25
They are warmongers. Thank you, Alex.
36:28
OK, Vanessa, let's come back to you then.
36:32
We've talked about Gaza, but you've been hinting for, in
36:36
fact, going much further than hinting for quite some time now,
36:39
the likelihood of serious trouble in Lebanon.
36:42
What's the, you know, related to the Syria situation?
36:45
What's the latest on that? Yeah.
36:49
So first of all, let's just play this video and I'll talk over
36:52
it. So these are attack theory
36:54
elements controlled by Geelani or Ahmad Al Shalaar as he's now
36:59
known as the unelected president of Syria, backed by the UK and
37:03
US coalition and of course by Israel.
37:06
These are basically gathering to to to take up position on the
37:12
border with Lebanon. If we have a very quick look at
37:15
the map of Lebanon, I've pointed out there the Red Arrows down to
37:19
the east of the Lebanese border with Syria as effectively.
37:23
The two top arrows are where these takfiri elements, most of
37:26
them the foreign fighters. So the Uyghurs and the Chechens
37:30
and the Afghans and so on that have been sent to these borders
37:34
in the northeast and the east of Lebanon.
37:36
And then in the southeast, of course, we have the Israeli
37:40
incumbent on Mount Hermon, which is effectively on Syrian
37:43
territory, but as you can see, overlooks as far as Beirut on a
37:48
good day. And then to the far South of
37:51
Lebanon and up to Sider and to Beirut, you have the threat of
37:56
further Israeli incursions and an increase or an
38:00
intensification in the Israeli bombing.
38:03
And then in fact, just yesterday, if we play this
38:06
video, this demonstrates that there are Takfiri cells
38:12
gathering in Lebanon. There was 1 captured in the
38:15
north of Lebanon a few days ago, and this is in Dahe, in the
38:20
southern suburb of Beirut, where the local people actually
38:24
detected an ISIS cell of terrorists who were gathering
38:29
with weapons and materials to conduct suicide bombings or IED
38:35
bombings in the southern suburb. And of course, this is during
38:38
the month of Muharram, which is one of the most holy months for
38:44
Shia and Muslim in particular. And coming up to the night of
38:47
Ashura, which is the night that Imam Hussain was martyred at
38:52
Karbala. And that's on Saturday.
38:54
So obviously, we're bracing for the potential of attacks here in
38:58
Lebanon. And then we have this is Tom
39:00
Barrack, basically Trump's envoy to Syria, who's also been
39:07
parachuting into Lebanon. Barrack's proposal marks 2
39:10
pivotal weeks for the Lebanese state.
39:13
So what does this actually mean? Of course, he's also been
39:16
shoring up for Jolani presidency in Syria.
39:19
This is from Lebanese journalist Madwa Osman, who many people
39:23
will probably know. And what does she actually say?
39:26
So what is the US demanding from Lebanon?
39:29
So disarmament, full disarmament of Hezbollah within the next two
39:33
weeks, which of course is not going to be accepted.
39:35
And that goes beyond UN Resolution 17 O1, which was a
39:40
withdrawal from South of the Litani River to the north of the
39:44
Litani River. But now Barack is basically
39:46
saying no full disarmament normalisation with Israel, with
39:51
Syria and Lebanon, handing of Lebanon over to Jolani, which
39:56
explains the build up of the troops on the border.
39:59
And the cost of rejecting the deal is far less than accepting
40:03
it. So that's the gauntlet laid down
40:05
there by Madua Osman. And of course, what they're also
40:08
attacking is the Hezbollah banking system, because many
40:12
people don't how it's portrayed in the West is that Hezbollah is
40:16
raising money to fund its. Terrorist activities or in our
40:20
view their resistance activities against Zionist invasion and
40:25
occupation of regional land. And in reality what people do
40:30
and it it's not only the Shia Muslims in Lebanon, they take
40:34
their gold to the Hezbollah banks.
40:37
The gold is kept and a loan is given without any interest
40:41
payments at all. And when the loan is paid back,
40:44
they can come and get their gold back.
40:46
So this is a no interest banking policy which they're looking to
40:51
shut down in favour of, of course organisations like the
40:55
IMF and the World Bank and American backed financial
40:58
institutions. And then of course, on the back
41:03
of this we have Trump signs an executive order lifting the
41:06
majority of sanctions on Syria. And then this is the Zionist
41:11
author Barack. I think behind the scenes Israel
41:16
is communicating with Syria through at least four different
41:19
channels including Netanyahu's National Security Advisor,
41:23
Mossad Director, Foreign Minister Gideon Tsar for
41:27
political strategic dialogue and the Israel Defence Forces for
41:31
day to day military coordination.
41:34
So this is quite extraordinary. Syria appears to be heading
41:37
towards being effectively a satellite state of Israel.
41:42
And then finally, we also have operations ongoing in Iraq. 3
41:50
suspected ISIS members were killed in a Kirkuk operation in
41:55
Iraq in the last again last 48 hours.
41:58
So ISIS has clearly been deployed and triggered in Iraq
42:01
to attack the resistance factions there.
42:04
And if we have a look at the kind of map of the region, you
42:08
can see the the filled in red circle is where the attacks by
42:12
ISIS against Iraqi resistance factions took place near Kirkuk,
42:18
again very close to the Iranian border.
42:20
Syria, in the view of the Zionist alliance, has been taken
42:24
out of action. That remains to be seen.
42:26
Of course, there are still resistance factions acting
42:32
inside Syria and the Syrian Army soldiers that left into Iraq and
42:38
Lebanon when Damascus fell in December last year.
42:42
But you can see there that basically what Trump and
42:47
Netanyahu are now doing, the ceasefire has allowed them to
42:51
pivot back to try and weaken the two strongest resistance zones,
42:56
which is Lebanon and Iraq, prior to then probably restarting the
43:02
war against Iran. And I mentioned last week that
43:07
we've started a blog or a section of the blog at UK Column
43:11
News called Syria Centric, a regional analysis.
43:15
And this week I'll be looking at the Iranian backed Ring of Fire
43:20
and all of the resistance factions that would be activated
43:24
should there be a restart of aggression by Israel and the US
43:29
alliance against Iran. And that should be published and
43:34
up at the website tomorrow. Thank you for that.
43:37
I mean, just very, very briefly, briefly, what are your
43:39
expectations on that last point? When do you think it's likely
43:43
that aggression will start against Iran once again?
43:48
Very difficult to tell. There's potential for false flag
43:51
on American soil, but I think for now they're going to focus,
43:54
as I said, on weakening and destroying the resistance in
43:58
Lebanon and Iraq initially. OK, thank you for that.
44:04
Now let's come back to the UK then.
44:06
And Sandy, there's been a debate in Parliament with respect to
44:11
IVF and egg donation by young women in the UK.
44:15
What? What exactly are they doing
44:18
here? Well, I mean, I, you know, I
44:21
find it quite concerning really because on Thursday the 26th of
44:25
June 2025, Members of Parliament debated the issue of egg
44:29
donation by very young women and adverts targeting women for
44:32
their eggs in a debate in Westminster Hall.
44:35
Now the debate was led by DUP Health spokesman Jim Shannon MP
44:41
and highlighted the increased numbers of women aged 18 to 25
44:45
coming forward to donate their eggs.
44:47
The fact that adverts frequently offer the 985 payment to women
44:53
for their eggs upfront. The adverts don't list they,
44:57
they don't list the health risks basically in these adverts now.
45:01
In October of last year, the Human Fertiliser and Embryology
45:05
authority, the HFEA, raised the cap on payments to women for
45:10
their eggs, raising the raising it from 750 pounds to 985 lbs
45:16
per cycle. And since then adverts for egg
45:19
donors have increasingly targeted younger women.
45:22
This demand has caused a knock on effect within the industry
45:25
with pressure on IVF clinics which are going to to what some
45:29
could consider extreme lengths to recruit new donors because
45:33
because of the demand for for for eggs by childless couples.
45:38
In 2020, the London Egg Bank, which boasts of having the
45:41
largest UK donor base, was criticised for targeting
45:45
students at a welcome event at King's College London.
45:50
It's clinic also attended A freshers fair run by the
45:54
University of Kent Canterbury Christchurch Students Union in
45:58
2019. The concern is that young women
46:01
students struggling financially at university or you know, in
46:07
general life could be incentivised to donate eggs.
46:11
And more recently it's begun promoting it's freeze and share
46:14
scheme on social media. This offers younger women free
46:19
egg extraction and two years of free storage in exchange for
46:23
giving up half of their collected eggs.
46:25
Now this is yet another example of targeting a different
46:28
demographic. This is single women who've
46:31
delayed having children due to poverty and career pressures or
46:34
simply not finding the right partner who go for the freeze
46:37
and share option because they fear their fertility is is
46:41
running out. And you know this would save a
46:43
woman thousands of pounds. The average cost of collecting
46:47
and then freezing at woman's eggs is 3350 lbs.
46:51
The fertility in industry is now worth 5, 553.5 million in the UK
46:58
and is growing faster than the general economy in in 2021, the
47:03
London Egg Bank alone registered a profit of 784,000 and 600 and
47:08
I think it's yeah, just so nearly 700,000.
47:13
So once harvested and frozen, the packages of 6 or 10 eggs can
47:18
be bought from fertility clinics by childless couples, with
47:21
prices starting at 5750, raising huge concerns that private
47:26
clinics are profiteering from the on the back of women's body
47:30
parts. And I, I have to agree with
47:31
this. The the HFEA says payments to
47:36
women are compensation to reimburse women for their time
47:39
and expenses and that the donations remain altruistic.
47:43
But the view of many women's rights campaigners and we've got
47:46
here, the Women's Rights Network are campaigning for this to be
47:50
stopped. And you know that women as young
47:54
as 18 have become multiple egg donors and can donate up to 10
47:58
cycles. So, you know, and, and young,
48:02
young women are being contacted on Instagram by couples who want
48:05
their eggs. I mean, it's an absolute racket.
48:09
So what we're finding is that, you know, it's not a painless,
48:12
uncomplicated procedure, you know, like sperm donation, it's
48:17
got huge risks and dangers and the woman has to be injected
48:21
with her hormones and before and after harvesting and this can
48:27
result in ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome which
48:30
can be very dangerous and in some cases may cause ovarian
48:33
cancer. The Department for Health and
48:35
Social Care have not undertaken any studies into the long term
48:39
risks of their harvesting. Now I've got a quote here from
48:44
from a lady from De Montford University and she says to.
48:48
To fulfil the demand, increasing numbers of young, healthy women
48:52
pass through technologicize and geneticized modes of selection
48:57
where their eggs are retrieved and offered to patients with
48:59
almost unfettered promises of success at eye wateringly high
49:03
prices. And there's another one from the
49:08
Doctor Thanos Papa fans. Oh, I can't pronounce it anyway.
49:12
Something Greek. He's the chief executive
49:15
executive of a fertility clinic and he said increasing the
49:18
compensation for egg donors in the UK to 986 lbs is justified
49:23
as it better reflects the time, effort and medical risks
49:26
involved in the donation and helps address the current donor
49:29
shortage. Now, you know, this is I, you
49:33
know, I can't help feeling that they're playing God here.
49:35
And we have to think about the human element of this.
49:39
In 2005, it was, it was made law that these these potential
49:45
children, when they're 18 can come and find their biological
49:49
mothers. So there could be a risk that
49:51
some of these mothers who donate eggs very young may not even
49:55
have the chance of having their own children.
49:57
And then 18 years on, multiple children could turn up on the
50:01
doorstep saying hello, mummy. And you know, it, it, it is a
50:05
potential nightmare. And I really feel that if you,
50:09
if you can look at I've put the put the link to the debate in
50:13
the show notes, do write to your MP.
50:15
This is, this is human body part harvesting in my view.
50:19
And I think something has to be done about it.
50:21
And I'm really pleased that Shannon has taken this to, to
50:25
Parliament. Thank you.
50:27
Thank you, Sandy. Thank you for that.
50:29
Now staying staying in the UK, steel production is back in the
50:33
headlines. Here's Charles again with the
50:36
details. Thanks Mike.
50:41
Steel returns to the headlines a few months after There was an
50:46
enormous amount of panic about measures to keep the plant at
50:51
Scunthorpe going belonging to British Steel, and we're now
50:54
told that the UK has introduced new trade measures to support
50:58
the steel sector. Now this government document
51:00
saying they are aiming to better protect domestic industry from
51:04
unforeseen surges in foreign imports as part of the plan for
51:09
change. Now that reads rather like it's
51:13
something aimed at China, perhaps at the behest of Donald
51:17
Trump. They also talk about delivering
51:19
on the government's commitment to rebuild Britain's industrial
51:23
strength. Now this is really the fallout
51:28
from a document published just last week, which is the new
51:33
trade strategy from the UK. And really the the most
51:37
significant parts of it, if any of it is to be taken at face
51:41
value is, is really to look where it's come from and what
51:45
its aims are. And of course, in fact, when you
51:48
read that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor are committed to
51:51
growing the economy and decarbonising our businesses and
51:55
infrastructure, the entire aim looks completely untenable
52:00
because of course, those two things would appear to be in
52:03
conflict with one another. Now pulling strings behind the
52:07
scenes here is Poppy Gustafson, Baroness Gustafson as she now is
52:12
the Minister of State for Investment.
52:15
And the reason that she's worth mentioning is that she was
52:18
parachuted into the House of Lords for this particular role
52:21
coming from the cybersecurity company Dark Trace.
52:26
And of course, Dark Trace was in the headlines last year for the
52:30
bizarre coincidence of the deaths of its founders, Mike
52:34
Lynch and Stephen Chamberlain, within hours of each other.
52:37
In very strange circumstances, one might say, but also because
52:41
of Gustafson's links to GCHQ, among others, and indeed her
52:47
critical place in pushing AI for the government.
52:51
And I think noteworthy at this point to mention that Dark
52:53
Traces motto, let's say on their website is Cybersecurity That
52:59
Learns You. Now what that has to do exactly
53:02
with British Steel at the moment perhaps is is less than clear,
53:07
but the emergency legislation has quite clearly changed the
53:11
direction of British Steel. We're looking at their website
53:14
now and they have a news item from the 19th of June saying
53:18
there's been a £22 million project to enhance UK
53:20
infrastructure and national security supported by British
53:25
Steel. So of course, they're now saying
53:28
on their website that their primary goal is to deliver
53:30
strategic environmental and economic resilience for key
53:34
strategic areas of the UK manufacturing economy, including
53:37
defence, transport and energy. Now this is under the banner of
53:41
something called Ignite, which stands for Indigenous Green
53:44
Steel for Net 0 Innovation, Technology and Enterprise.
53:48
Now this is a, a big change of direction for British Steel and
53:53
it does absolutely reinforce the point.
53:56
The government have very much changed the way in which this
53:59
industry is going to be able to operate.
54:02
And this is in collaboration with Swansea University
54:05
exploring how cutting edge university research can
54:07
accelerate industrial decarbonisation.
54:11
This word again, which really doesn't seem to fit with
54:14
manufacturing as we think we know it.
54:16
Now this is only really a brief look at what has been going on.
54:19
There's a, there's a lot more detail to go into, particularly
54:21
concerning the situation with trade relations in the United
54:25
States and the history going back to the, the recent tariff
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situations, the, the, the sort of tariff wars instigated by
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Trump. Now for more of an update on
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this, please go to the UK column website and look out and ask.
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And I wrote entitled The Steel Trap, which will give you
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further detail on this. And of course, this does form a
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very key part of where we are set against the Strategic
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Defence Review and indeed the National Security Strategy,
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because the effort here is to link everything together in
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order to coordinate the population and effectively give
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the government carte blanche to do things under the banner of
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national security. Well, thank you very much to
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Charles for that and we're going to end the programme today.
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Back to Sandy and, well, what's James Dyson been up to?
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Well, I wish he'd stick to Hoovers.
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I mean, I once had one of his Hoovers and it was the most
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overly engineered piece of equipment I've ever had.
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And I feel the same way about what he's doing in the UK right
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now. He's just launched his new
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Future of Food vertical growing system in Carrington in
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Leicestershire this week. It's a 26 acre glass structure,
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a Ferris wheel that's 5.5 metres high, sort of like a big
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rotating rig with optimised LED light exposure, with robotic UV,
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pest control, climate automation, all singing, all
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dancing. Technocratic nightmare, I call
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it. The point is that this is a
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technocratic takeover of our farming, you know, into
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corporate hands. So I've got a video here of of
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of what he's what he's he's the way he sees the future of
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farming. So if we can have that.
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We need to produce food in England.
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We asked a group of engineers at Dyson what they could do.
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One of the things we came up with was a vertical growing
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system. I think this is the biggest rig,
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24 metres long, 5 1/2 metres tall, each wheels 500
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kilogrammes. It's like having a child.
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Every single boat I've got a relationship with we import all
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our strawberries in England except in the height of the
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summer season. So what I've done is to build 2
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huge greenhouses and from that we can produce the tastiest
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strawberries you can imagine. All the year round.
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Different growing system to get much much higher density fruit
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in a covered environment. This is stacking strawberries up
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across these multiple levels. The challenge you then get is
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light levels and shadowing and making sure that the leaf in the
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leaf canopy gets enough sunlight to really develop, to make sure
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every plant gets the maximum natural energy from the sun so
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we can use as little energy as possible, supplementing that
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with the LED lights. How can we make it more
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efficient? What technology can we bring in
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that will improve the quality, the taste of the food, use the
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land better so that we can invest further and make a
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difference to farming? Got a very high accuracy CO2
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sensor as if humidity and temperature and then on the top
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there this is the apogee PAR sensor.
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So that detects only the wavelengths that the strawberry
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plant is interested in, and then we know how much we need to top
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up with our artificial light. We get a 2 1/2 times uplift in
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the output of the greenhouses. This vertical growing system
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will allow farmers to produce the very best food in England
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and make Britain more secure in its own food production.
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We've got wonderful land. And we should be able to grow
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everything we eat. Well, I don't know what you feel
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about that, but when our farmers are being dispossessed of their
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land and the natural resources like soil and sun are being
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covered with renewable energy centres and data centres, we've
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got this artificial, unnatural way of farming which I'm sure
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those strawberries look particularly nutrient deficient
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to me. And the whole thing is very
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expensive to run. It's it's madness.
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Yeah. Thank you, Sandy.
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Well, I'm quite sure we'll talk about that and Extra.
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There's lots to discuss today. We are out of time for now
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though. I'm going to say sorry again for
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the technical issue at the beginning of the programme.
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So we're running a little bit late at the moment, but we'll be
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back in a few minutes of UK column.
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Member for UK column News Extra Alex Krill will be sticking with
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us for that, so do join us in a few minutes.
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Otherwise we will see you on Friday as usual at 1:00 PM.
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See you then. Bye bye.