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Inside the Imaginative World of Children's Television With Co-Founder of Kidstream Dean Koocher · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: back to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. So I
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  Speaker 1: love today's episode. Let me just stop and tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little bit different than what we normally have,
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  Speaker 1: but I really wanted to do this episode. So when
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  Speaker 1: my daughter was younger, it was a constant struggle to
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  Speaker 1: find good TV shows that she could watch that didn't
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  Speaker 1: have violence or cursing or show mean behavior. It was
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  Speaker 1: even harder to find stuff where I could feel comfortable
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  Speaker 1: leaving her alone in the knowing she wasn't going to
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  Speaker 1: switch over to something I didn't want her to see.
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  Speaker 1: So in honor of the Nickelodeon's Kids' Choice Awards that
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  Speaker 1: are happening live tonight, today we welcome a TV trailblazer
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  Speaker 1: in the world of children's programming, Dean Kuchar. Dean started
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  Speaker 1: working in TV in some famous shows like LazyTown, Teletubbies,
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  Speaker 1: The Wiggles. You guys remember those. Now he's the co-founder
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  Speaker 1: of KidStream. which is basically Netflix for kids television. I
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  Speaker 1: had not heard of it. If I had a younger
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  Speaker 1: child from, you know, very, very young to age like nine,
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  Speaker 1: this is like the perfect thing that you should have
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  Speaker 1: on your TV that you should be watching. It's filled
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  Speaker 1: with programs specifically curated for them. I got to chat
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  Speaker 1: with him about how he got into TV, his work
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  Speaker 1: on these classic shows. He even lets us in on
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  Speaker 1: some behind the scenes stuff that happened during the whole
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Falwell, Teletubby controversy. If you guys don't remember that,
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Faldwell, he was accused, or he accused the Teletubbies
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  Speaker 1: of being gay because one of them carried a purse,
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  Speaker 1: which only made it an even bigger pop culture phenomenon
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  Speaker 1: than it already was. I mean, who can forget that
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  Speaker 1: Rolling Stone cover with Britney Spears holding a Teletubby? It
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  Speaker 1: was basically iconic. So if you're a parent, a babysitter,
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  Speaker 1: a teacher, or even if you just have kids in
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  Speaker 1: your life, You're going to want to listen to what
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  Speaker 1: Dean shares with us about the future of children's television,
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  Speaker 1: how streaming services play a big part in our kids' lives,
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  Speaker 1: even in ways we don't think about, like what algorithm
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  Speaker 1: they follow to push certain programs over others and what
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  Speaker 1: criteria he uses when choosing quality programming to broadcast. Dean
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  Speaker 1: and KidStream's mission is to create a safer place for
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  Speaker 1: kids to learn and be entertained. So I hope you'll
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  Speaker 1: give a listen as we welcome this TV pioneer. Dean,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today on Misunderstood.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Rachel. Great to be here on Misunderstood.
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  Speaker 2: Really excited to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get right into who you are and your
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  Speaker 1: background so that people can really, you know, who are
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  Speaker 1: listening really understand why we're talking to you because you
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  Speaker 1: are so interesting. And I think, you know, the topic
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  Speaker 1: of children's programming, you know, may not come up in
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  Speaker 1: daily conversation, but I think it actually is in all
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  Speaker 1: parents' minds, right? So how did you get into TV
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  Speaker 1: and programming in your past?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I kind of fell into the business in the 90s.
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  Speaker 2: I was a Out in Louisville, Kentucky, I was working
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  Speaker 2: at Pepsi KFC headquarters, believe it or not, and a
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine who was managing a children's TV brand
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  Speaker 2: called Thomas the Tank Engine, who was very successful. He
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  Speaker 2: was building all the toy brands named Ken Weisselman. He
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  Speaker 2: asked me to help him with a business plan to
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  Speaker 2: start a new entertainment company for kids. And I just
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  Speaker 2: got into it. And next thing I know, I was
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  Speaker 2: living in New York and we were raising money and
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  Speaker 2: And that was about 95. And the first client we
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  Speaker 2: hired or we signed on with was a company called
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  Speaker 2: Ragdoll and a creator named Ann Wood. Amazing person. And
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  Speaker 2: she created about two years later after we started working
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  Speaker 2: with her, the Teletubbies, which just vaulted us into the
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  Speaker 2: stratosphere of, you know, the common TV industry. Everybody knew us.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy. And it was a good way to
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  Speaker 2: learn the business. And then we did a few other things.
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  Speaker 2: We worked with Eloise at the Plaza. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you remember that book. We acquired the rights to
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  Speaker 2: that at the time. And we did a lot of
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  Speaker 2: fun things. And then after that, I ended up leaving
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  Speaker 2: and going to another company, working for another creator, a
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  Speaker 2: guy named Magnus Skeving, who created a show called Lazy Town.
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  Speaker 2: I helped him launch that and manage that. So I
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  Speaker 2: was in that business, kind of fell into it. And
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  Speaker 2: then this opportunity later on arose to start my own
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  Speaker 2: kids' channel, basically, is what we have at KidStream. We
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  Speaker 2: have a small but really high-end, really quality place for
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  Speaker 2: people to find really good entertainment for their kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to get into that and talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. But before we move to that, I'm curious,
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  Speaker 1: when you were younger, what shows did you watch?
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  Speaker 2: Ah, great question. Um, you know, it's funny. I was
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  Speaker 2: just one of the shows that just came to my
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  Speaker 2: mind just before you get him on the phone. I
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  Speaker 2: was listening to a song, the monkeys. I loved the monkeys.
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  Speaker 2: It was, you know, I was from, I was a
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  Speaker 2: kid in the sixties. So that was one I really liked.
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  Speaker 2: I loved the Jetsons. I remember the Jetsons, some of
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  Speaker 2: the older ones that I liked. Um, I, of course
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  Speaker 2: I knew, uh, Sesame street and I knew, uh, Mr. Rogers.
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  Speaker 2: I was from Boston. So there was a show called
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  Speaker 2: Zoom up there. I remember on the PBS station. I
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  Speaker 2: really liked to write local.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot about the Jetsons until until right now. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that I grew up on Bugs Bunny and
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  Speaker 1: the Roadrunner or whatever. And, you know, I think if
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  Speaker 1: you had that on now, people might say that that's abusive.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? All that hitting on the head.
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  Speaker 2: The roadrunner, I know, always getting blown up. Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: You're right. I think that humor might be mistaken today,
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  Speaker 2: even though I know it was very innocent back then.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, of course.
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  Speaker 1: But like today, everybody sort of gets up in arms
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways very quickly. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Teletubbies for one second, because there might not
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of people who are familiar with it.
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course, there are people who know all
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  Speaker 1: about it. So can you explain in your own words
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  Speaker 1: what that is and what that phenomenon is?
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  Speaker 4: Was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will. And this creator, Anne Wood, at the
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  Speaker 2: time she was a 60-year-old ex-school teacher who had been
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  Speaker 2: creating television shows over there in the UK. And she
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  Speaker 2: was really into watching and understanding young children. So when
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  Speaker 2: she created the Teletubbies, she wanted something that worked on
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  Speaker 2: their level, not on the parents' level, not on older
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  Speaker 2: kids' level. So she has a lot of built a
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  Speaker 2: show with a lot of repetition that young kids really
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  Speaker 2: learned by. I don't know if you remember, there was a,
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  Speaker 2: this little, this little horn that came up and made
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  Speaker 2: sounds because she, she noticed in that time in the
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  Speaker 2: nineties that little kids were hearing, you know, speaker phones
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  Speaker 2: and things, and they didn't know what they were. So
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  Speaker 2: it was a really cool show. Of course it's live.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if your audience knows, but it's their
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  Speaker 2: costume characters. And it was shot in a real life place.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a set, in outside of Stratford, England.
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  Speaker 2: That was amazing. A real, you know, in built into
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  Speaker 2: a hill and they actually had real rabbits walking on
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  Speaker 2: the hill so that it was just really people really
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  Speaker 2: kind of got, um, taken by it. In fact, it
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  Speaker 2: was such a pop culture. We had, I can remember
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  Speaker 2: being in LA and having, um, the creators of South
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  Speaker 2: park come up to us in the restaurant and tell
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  Speaker 2: us how much they liked it. And, and, and, um,
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  Speaker 2: And they were, of course, really big at the time too.
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  Speaker 2: They had just come out.
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  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 3: for it?
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  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 6: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 4: Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 6: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 3: Lift?
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  Speaker 2: Please.
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  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 6: Done deal cars.
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  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: And we even had, I don't know if you remember,
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  Speaker 2: Britney Spears showed up on the cover of Rolling Stone
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  Speaker 2: magazine with a Teletubby in her hand. So we just
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  Speaker 2: had all this press. People just, you know, they either
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  Speaker 2: didn't understand it or they, there were some questions about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think people weren't sure what it was, but it
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  Speaker 2: was a really great show founded really on real core
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  Speaker 2: principles of helping young, the youngest viewers really grow from television. So.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're right. It became a topic of pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: There was a tinky-winky controversy where people thought this one
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  Speaker 1: character was gay because he carried a bag that looked
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  Speaker 1: like a purse, and even Jerry Falwell said he was
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  Speaker 1: a gay role model.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember that?
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  Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on that? Oh, I remember it
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  Speaker 2: really well. In our offices one day, we suddenly had
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  Speaker 2: this press conference, and these very aggressive people came in
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  Speaker 2: and started really... putting us through the wringer about that.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time in the 90s, that was a
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  Speaker 2: real controversy. But I can tell you from the creative standpoint, one,
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  Speaker 2: the creator is certainly very friendly, gay friendly or friendly
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  Speaker 2: to all people. But she actually, when she created that show,
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  Speaker 2: she intentionally had the boy character carrying the pocketbook because
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to break down stereotypes.
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  Speaker 4: So it was intentional.
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  Speaker 2: It was intentional to have a pocketbook, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: intentional to add a sexuality to it at all. It
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  Speaker 2: was just that, you know, boys can play with things
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  Speaker 2: and girls can play. You know, there was a boy
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  Speaker 2: that had a skirt. Sometimes he had a little skirt
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  Speaker 2: that he would put on and they would do different things.
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  Speaker 2: Girl would play with the ball. It wasn't it was
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  Speaker 2: trying to break down stereotypes really for young kids. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why I think he did it. But you're right.
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  Speaker 2: It was a huge controversy, which just added more. fuel
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  Speaker 2: to the fire, and we were all over the press
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  Speaker 2: and everything. We even had a controversy. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you remember being in New York that one of
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  Speaker 2: the toys, the New York Post came out with a
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  Speaker 2: story that said, got a gun. And one of our toys,
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  Speaker 2: if you press the button and you listened a certain way,
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  Speaker 2: it sounded like to some people that it says, I
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  Speaker 2: got a gun. And it didn't say that, but it was,
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  Speaker 2: so it was just wild, the controversy that we had. Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: how do you think kids programming has changed from the
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  Speaker 1: beginning when you started to now?
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  Speaker 2: Um, well, there's some great producers out there all over
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  Speaker 2: the world. One thing that, you know, I really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: it is you can find great producers in New Zealand and, and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: France and Canada all over in addition to the U
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  Speaker 2: S so that, that has kind of continued to expand.
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  Speaker 2: I worked on a show with a creator from Iceland,
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  Speaker 2: this one lazy town. Um, but I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 2: in a, in a, in a way that I would
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  Speaker 2: kind of make it, I don't want to, alarm anybody
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  Speaker 2: but right now there's so much people so many people
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  Speaker 2: creating television that it's not all qualified television you know
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  Speaker 2: youtube is a is content generated you know you can
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  Speaker 2: anybody can put users can put things up on youtube
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  Speaker 2: so they don't i think what there is a risk
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  Speaker 2: out there that anybody can create kids tv and not
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  Speaker 2: all kids tv is the same right there are some
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  Speaker 2: really great shows out there and people that you know
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  Speaker 2: work really hard and writers and And educators that get
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  Speaker 2: behind shows, but sometimes shows can be out there to
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  Speaker 2: just try to make money and try to make clicks.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where I think parents today have to be
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  Speaker 2: more careful than they have had before. Well agreed.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to get to kids stream right now,
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  Speaker 1: but it seems like you guys have really cherry picked
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  Speaker 1: what you thought were some shows that had some core
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  Speaker 1: values and obviously passed the test. But I just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to mention my daughter's 11. When she was born, I
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  Speaker 1: had never seen this channel before I had a kid, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but there was something called Baby First. Are you familiar
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  Speaker 1: with Baby First?
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  Speaker 2: I am. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a constant repetition of the same type
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  Speaker 1: of shows that the reason why I'm bringing it up,
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  Speaker 1: it catered to the child. I mean, obviously I looked
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  Speaker 1: at it and I was like, what is this? This
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  Speaker 1: looks low budget, like junk, but she was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as a baby, she was focused on this. And it
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  Speaker 1: was funny because when she turned one and a half, two, three,
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  Speaker 1: Out of nowhere, she started singing the song. So it
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  Speaker 1: really resonated with her as a baby. And she learned
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  Speaker 1: these things. And the shows, I guess, were about sharing
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  Speaker 1: and friendships. And, you know, I don't remember because it
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  Speaker 1: was hard for me to watch as an adult. But
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff obviously really made an imprint on
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  Speaker 1: a baby's brain. And I just felt, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: thought that that was very, very interesting. I still see
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  Speaker 1: Baby First on TV. What are your thoughts on it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the channel very well, but I do
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  Speaker 2: know that the focusing on, you know, programming for really
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  Speaker 2: young children should be different than programming. And being a
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  Speaker 2: little slow paced is a really good thing. So I
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  Speaker 2: think they do carry that. We're bringing a new show
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  Speaker 2: out out of Holland next month called tic tac not
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  Speaker 2: to be confused with tick tock tick tock it's a
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  Speaker 2: classic very visual show like that with images and and
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  Speaker 2: very slow and gentle show for really the youngest viewers
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  Speaker 2: as well so i yeah i do i do appreciate
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  Speaker 2: that and i and there are values in these shows
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  Speaker 2: you're right they learn sharing they they learn things at
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  Speaker 2: a really young age Right.
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  Speaker 4: And the concept of being kind.
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  Speaker 1: And I definitely that resonated with me even just watching
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  Speaker 1: it in passing. So let's get into your idea of
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  Speaker 1: KidStream and how that started.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that started, you know, after I was in LazyTown,
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  Speaker 2: I met a guy named Jordan Jadenkin, who's the co-founder
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  Speaker 2: with me.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. they have
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: It's Dunaidial.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Dunaidial.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: There's an accent on the E.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Lift?
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: You going past Kimmage?
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Oh, Kimmage.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: No.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Dundale Cars.
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: We worked both. We were working at LazyTown. I was...
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: He had been brought in to do a lot of
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the promotion, retail, and licensing deals. And we were traveling
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: all week, and we just really wanted to start a
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: company together. We felt like we were a good synergy.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: He's a little younger than I am. In fact, he
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: has a young, his kids are now four and six.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: And we just had different skills. So when LazyTown was
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: ultimately sold, we helped sell it to Turner. We just
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: started our own company. And then a few years in,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: we had an opportunity from one of the big cable
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: companies to to create them a streaming channel. And we
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: just jumped on it and just, it really wasn't in our,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: but streaming was just starting to come around and, and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: subscription channels were big, just starting to come. This was
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: like 2016. So we, we just bootstrapped it and pulled
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a channel together and had it up on, up on
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Comcast was our first place that we aired it. It
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: was in January of 2017. We just, you know, kind
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of really the wild, wild west of streaming. And now
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more competition, I would say, out there.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are in the streaming business.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So for people that are listening that are not familiar,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: KidStream is basically a Netflix dedicated just to kids, correct?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Correct. It is, and that's a good example because we
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: are non-advertising like Netflix, or I know Netflix is maybe
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: moving towards advertising. We're subscription-based, and you can watch us
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: on limited amounts of time whenever you want. And so
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: in that respect, it is like Netflix. You can get
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: it in a number of different places. You can get
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it from your smart TV. We're sold directly or on
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: apps online. We can get it through Amazon as a
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: subscription premium channel you can add on to Amazon. So
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you can get it all different places. So in that respect,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: it is. It costs $ 4. 99 a month. But for that,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: you get unlimited viewing. We're adding new series about two
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: or three every month. Um, we have about 70 series
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: right now, you know, lots of episodes, um, really nice stuff,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: really high quality. Our, our, our focus is more quality
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: over quantity too. We, we, I turned down, I turned down,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you know, in 10 out of more than, more than
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: a large percentage. I'm very selective. Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I was actually going to ask you about that. Like
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: what's the mission statement for for this network, so to speak,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: but also, you know, what are the criteria that it
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: takes for you to pick a show on there?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Great, great question, Rachel. Uh, we have five major things.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Safe is probably the biggest thing. We want to be safe.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: We want you to feel safe there. We don't have
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: any violence on the show. Uh, we don't even have
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: any mean spirited humor, which is very prevalent in older
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: kids stuff. Um, we want stuff to be enriching. So
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: we have things that have a lot of different things
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that you'll learn from them. I mean, great role models,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: but also we have really fun shows that talk about,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: or in the background, science, technology, art, dance, crafting, fitness even,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and healthy eating. And so we have a lot of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: shows that have this kind of built in, a lot
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of wildlife nature. and things like that. So they're really,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you get something out of these shows, but mostly, oh,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and also diverse, diverse characters and diverse formats. So we
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: look for all sorts of characters. We pull in shows
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: from all around the world, and we also look at
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: different formats. We have puppets, we have live action, we
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: have stop motion, and of course, a lot of really
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: good high quality animation. um, and, and, and high production values.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: We're looking at really good shows. We, we don't want,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: we want, there are so many really good creators that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: put a lot of time and money into their shows.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And we really value the value of those high quality productions.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And finally, it has to be entertaining. You know, you
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: can't fool a kid. They are really smart. I was
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: just in a, in a second grade talking to a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: second grade class recently. And I just a Blows me
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: away how smart these seven, eight-year-olds are. But so you
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: can't trick them. It has to be entertaining first. So
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the show has to be entertaining. And then good creators
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: know how to build in the background all these great
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: things you can learn at a young age.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: What's the sweet spot for the age that you're targeting here?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: We only try to target from two to nine years old.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: We feel like we have a nice range in there.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you know, as you know, after they get nine or
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: 10 or 11, they're, they're, they're graduating into, um, other programming, really.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: It's hard to keep, even though some kids, you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: 11 or 12 love some of the shows we have. We, we,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: we focus for nine, uh, two to nine. And I
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: would say that even the shows that we have that are,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I would say are for the older age in that group. Um,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: we feel like a two or three year old wouldn't
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: ever be offended. You would never worry to have your
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: your two or three or four year old in front
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of any of our shows. So that's kind of a barometer.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't want to show that we felt was too
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: scary or something if a three or four year old
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: turned to it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: I'm curious how it works when you get these deals.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Are these shows now exclusive just to your streaming service
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: or can you get them elsewhere?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Good question. Really good question. I'd say about half of them,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: we are the only person in the US to have,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: but many of them, You know, the other half, we
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: were happy to share, you know, we even share some
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: with Disney or PBS, a few, but we have some
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: classics that are other places. Like we really like the classics. Like,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you know, we have some old, old, but great Thomas,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the Tank Engine, the original Thomas, the Tank Engine. We even,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I think we're the only ones though, in the US
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that have the original with Ringo Starr, who was the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: narrator for the first couple of seasons. And we have
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: George Carlin, who became the narrator after that. We have both.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: But most people here in the States don't have Ringo.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And we have Barney, for example, Madeline, some of these
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: real old classic ones that are on other places. You
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: can find them. So we do share some, but we
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: really don't look, you know, when I when I that's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: one of the things I do at the company. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I really love this part is finding the show's. If
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: someone comes to me and says, hey, this is great.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: It's everywhere.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: You know, you want this show because it's here and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: there and there and there. That doesn't attract.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: That doesn't appeal to you.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: No, no. We like a special environment here.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So you basically are looking for some some shows that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: we may have heard of. But you're looking to find
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: new shows to give a chance to that that fall
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: under your criteria of the five.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. We love to bring these great new shows.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I if you if you could. Let me,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I could tell you about many of them that we
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: are the only ones that have. Well, yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Tell me about some of your favorites that people should
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: check out.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh. Okay. I know we don't have that much time,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: but I'll tell you this one interesting one. I, I,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: we just brought in that no one else has that
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: might be interesting. It's called Gudrun, the Viking princess.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: She's this it's shot live action. So I know there's
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that have, you know, adults that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: have watched game of Thrones and all these other Viking shows.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: So this, It's a very safe young show. Gudrun is
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a Viking princess. Her father is the king of the Vikings.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And in each episode, you know, she's out in the...
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It's all shot in the wild, too. It's not, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: in a studio. And they usually each.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's Dúne Díal. Where?
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: Dúne Díal. There's an accent on the E.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Done Deal Cars.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Lift, please.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: You're going past Kimmage.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Oh, Kimmage.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: No.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: Done Deal Cars.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: This episode focuses on an animal. It could be the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: seal or the wolf or the eagle or the raven.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And so it's really, I don't know, narrated in such
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a way that it's really a captivating show. So that's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: an example of one that we have.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Well, wait, I have a question about that because I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: know it's like on... on Netflix where sometimes I'll be
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: scrolling and all of a sudden I'll see these shows
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: from Germany or Holland or wherever. And I try them
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: out and they're actually really good. So how are they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: making these shows? Are they making it for intent to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else and you end up finding it and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: think it's great because you don't really have exclusive, it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: not made like made for Netflix.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't commission those shows. We're starting to dabble
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: in that, but no, we didn't commission that one. You know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it's funny. Kids around the world tend to like the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: same things. So you can a child in Germany or
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: a child in Australia or a child in Canada may
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: have the same exact taste at a young age. They
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: really haven't. So we find that first kids entertainment really
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: travels around the world really well. And if it's animated,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you can dub it. you know, very easily. Live action is,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I think the stuff you're talking about, Netflix is doing
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: a great job starting to bring some live action dubbed shows.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But this was shot in English, shot in the north
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of England. So it really has a Viking kind of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: feel to it. But this one, you know, was big
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: on the BBC in the UK. So it was actually,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: they were the commissioning broadcaster, the BBC, who has a
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: great history of really good kids television. In fact, they
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: were the ones who commissioned the Teletubbies originally, was the BBC.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So we look at that quite a bit. When I'm
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: picking out a show, I look at the commissioning broadcaster
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and the people that made that show, the producers, the animators.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And I really value that a lot when I pick
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a show, because I know the quality of the different companies.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. We work a lot with
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Jim Henson, who's from the US, of course. And we
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: have Some of his, or they are newer shows. There's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: one called Dot, a little girl that's very tech savvy.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: There's one called Sid the Science Kid that a lot
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: of people know. And we also have some of the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: more classics. One we have that's actually from the 70s
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that was a, it's a special, kind of like a
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: mini movie called Emmett Otter and the Jug Band Christmas
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: that used to be on HBO. And it was just
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: it's a beautiful movie that a lot of grandparents love
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: because they grew up with it. So that's a popular one.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And so we have a lot of different Jim Henson ones.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: We have one called Billy Bunny, who was actually the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: first one that Kermit the Frog appeared on, too. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: we have we have stuff like that. Other ones that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: we're the only person with, just to give you a few,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: we have a really cool one we developed with a
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: guy named Coyote Peterson. Coyote Peterson's a wildlife expert who
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: has his own show on the animal planet. But he
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: gave us a collection that's curated just for us, of
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: his animal adventures that are really geared for younger kids.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And we curated them with him, and it's called Coyote
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Peterson's KidStream Collection. So we're the only one that has
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that here in the States. And there's several, many others
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that we're the only ones that are running right now.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I just want to give you a couple more examples
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of fun ones. Sure. Um, we have one called circle
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: square right now that came out of the UK. It's
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: for older kids animated, won a big animation award is,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: is the best new animated show out of the UK
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: this year. Um, that, that we have, we have a,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: we have a really cool show named Addison, which is
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a little girl that solves mysteries, um, out of Canada. That's, that's,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that's really special. Um, we have a new one called, uh,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Louis is out of France. There's a little white rabbit
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: named Louis, and he has a little friend named Yoko,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and very young, and they build stuff. So it's all
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: kind of teaching kids a little bit around buildings. So it's,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it's really sweet little, little, little things like that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Every single one of these sounds so interesting. The world
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of streaming seems like it's pretty crowded. So what would
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you say sets you guys apart from something like a
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Disney plus?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, good question. Well, we're very focused at this age group,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you know, Disney's got some great shows, you know, really,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: you know, we love, we love Disney, but they're, they're
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: focused as you know, for all ages, they've got, um,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that you wouldn't want your young
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: child in front of, uh, could be some scarier stuff.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: And they're very limited to their stuff. They have all
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the Marvel, of course, all the Marvel movies, which are
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: great for people. So we feel like we're much more
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: focused on that younger audience, parents and caregivers that really
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: want something enriching, high quality, no advertising, safe. So we
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: feel like there's a really good market for that. especially
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: when parents see some of these things, because you'll see
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: all sorts of things that no one else has, and
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: it's all in a safe place for them.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: No, but I was.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Just going to say, certainly Disney has some excellent shows
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Now that the strike has ended, what are your thoughts
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: on how business might change? I mean, I know a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: lot of these networks are excited to get back to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: some original programming are you guys gonna you know is
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: that where you see the trajectory of where you guys
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: are going to.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Go you know we are starting just dabbling we're pretty
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: small still you know we don't have the big budgets
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that that some of these um streamers have bigger you
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: know networks have but we are starting to look at
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: a originals um or or commissioning right you know commissioning
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: them getting involved in the front end um there's one
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: out of France we're looking at right now that is
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: a really unique, it's a book series that a French, um,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: producer we work with a lot named Dan DeLue is,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: is producing. We're, we're, you know, a little ahead of
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the game telling you this, but we're hopefully going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: announce in February that we're going to be involved with
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: that production. And what's cool about that show is it
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: teaches kids about their own emotions. This, this book, the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: woman who created book series, um, has a big book
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: series and these little unicorn, uh, who's the main character, uh,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: changes the color of their, their main, depending on what
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: emotion they're feeling. And so this little series is, is
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: not going to be out till the end of two, 2025.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: You know how it is. Series take forever to produce, but, um,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: it will really be important for kids because for kids
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to understand their emotions is the first step and dealing with,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: um with these emotions and then then she the creator
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: also has a lot of ways to deal with those
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: emotions you know whether to be positive and visualize positive
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: things or breathe and different things like that so it's
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: really a it's a young show but it it we
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: thought it was such an important um thing to have
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: for kids that that we we wanted to get involved
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: with that from the front.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: End Yeah, actually, I have a question about your streaming service.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So is it just like.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: It's Dunaidial.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Dunaidial.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: There's an accent on the E.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Lyft? Lyft?
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Please.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: You're going past Kimmage. Oh, Kimmage.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: No.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: Don't deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: 30 minute, um, series, or do you have movies too?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Because something like that reminds me of inside out.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: You remember that movie?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: About the feelings.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And that like, you know, I don't know if that's
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: for that age group, but you know, do you do movies?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: We have some movies. Um, in fact, one of the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: movies that we have that we're so proud of is
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: we have the, um, the Madeline movie that has Christopher
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Plummer as the narrator. I mean, just amazing. You know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: one of the classical ones, but we are, we're, we're
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: less about movies. We we're starting to build those up.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: You know, I think our movies are more like hour
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: long specials. The Wiggles just gave us some of their great,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: they have a brand new one called the Wiggles great
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: fruit salad show that they just, they just licensed to
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: us brand new. So we like specials, but a lot
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: of our stuff is smaller episodes. So if you get
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: one of our series like Goodrin, there might be 20
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: of those and they're five minutes each or 26 five
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: minutes each or something.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: It's better for the attention span probably.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You're right. You're right. 11 minutes is a popular format
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: for five, six-year-olds, seven-year-olds. They like 11 minutes is something
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people produce.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Well, if you get into the movie thing more, I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: have a suggestion. My favorite movie growing up with it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: was The Secret of Nimh.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Do you remember that?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Tell me more about The Secret of... It's so good.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And I always talk about it. No one knows what
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's about a bunch of mice and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they live in a cinder block. And they find out
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that the human in the area is bulldozing it and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they have to get all the mice to a safe place.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And there's, you know, a bad.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Guy, there's a good guy, there's a good mouse and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it's so good. And then they have to get in
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the house and they have to deal with the cat.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: in the house and they have to deal with the humans.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It's such a great story.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: You have to, that's such a good one.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And then another one that's more like religious, I would say,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: but was called small one. And it was about like
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the donkey that had to make the trek and through Bethlehem.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe I don't even remember. Cause it wasn't about religion.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: To me when I was little, but I, I remember
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: different parts and it was about this little donkey that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was the runt of the group. And he had a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: hard time, making the track. And anyways, those were great movies.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I love that they have values. You know, a lot
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: of these good movies have values in them that stick
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: with kids. So that's really cool to hear. Yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: And I only mention it, too, because I was born
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: in Anchorage, Alaska. I'm sure you do not know this.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that. Okay.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: My parents were New Yorkers, and they moved there, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: they actually started cable television in Anchorage.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: So when I was younger, I grew up, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: kind of in the office. You know, I would go
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: there all the time, and my dad got the rights
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to the satellite dish or whatever, and all of a sudden,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: they named it Visions, and they had, you know, this...
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: this cable company. And my mother was an actress in
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: New York. And so she did all the on-air stuff.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: So she did the intros to the movie. She was
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: also the head of programming. They had a lot of
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: different hats at the time. And so she would pick
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the movie that was going to go on. She'd go
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to the, the wall that had all the movies, but
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: they were betas and she'd put them in the thing
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and it would come out on TV.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: And I thought it was incredible.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And so we always had the beta of those two
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: movies I just told you about. And as a kid,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I just, I thought they were cool.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: So you actually had the original tracks yet. Who knew? I, I,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know either one. I definitely want to see
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the one with the mice. That one sounds really cool.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: It's so good. I would watch it again.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: You talked about the, you know, the timeframe that's, that's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: good for kids to watch. And I'm curious because there's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of kids that, even at a young age
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: will tend, obviously get on social media now and they're
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: into TikTok and all these things. How do you steer
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: your kid for more of an educational, you know, something
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: to watch that's more educational? Like what's a good tip
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to get them to, you know, be focusing on things
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: or shows that they should be watching that could entertain
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: them a little more than watching people and things on TikTok?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I understand the power of TikTok and Instagram and,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you know, they can be very captivating. I think with KidStream,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: one nice thing is if you can get them in
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and give them a sample of some of these shows,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: they'll be amazed. We show them, a lot of these
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: kids don't know these shows and they're allowed to, you
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: can let them free in here. We don't have any
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: algorithms that push a child to pick this video to
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: hear or bait. We don't track them or anything like that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: So some some children, you know, some girls may like
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Coyote Peterson and that may someone might have thought that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: was a boy's show. But we don't have any of that.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: You know, you pick what you like.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Um, and that's actually important what you're saying, because you
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: could give the kids the freedom to choose some of
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: these shows as opposed to standing over them and saying,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: we're going to watch this next and let me scroll
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: through this because you can't see this.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: So that's a great environment. It is.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: You can, you can relax a little bit. And, but
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: we also really want to be sure because we know
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: parents are in the background or grandparents or caregivers. We
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: want to, we want, we want to have everything that's
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: on that air, um, to be something that they would
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: approve of or have in the background. So we don't,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: we don't have any of these kind of fast paced
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: kind of shows that are, you know, some of the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: shows you find on are made to try to attract
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: kids and keep them almost addicted to watching them. And
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: they keep coming and keep coming and they, and we don't,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: we don't promote that at all. We promote much more,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: you know, we're happy if a child watches a show
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: for 10 minutes and that's it. And then they're done.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: If you're making money off of clicks or ads for kids,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: then you're trying to drag them in as many as
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you can because that's how they're... For adults, advertising is great.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I find it to be one of the highest art forms.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: They make you laugh in 30 seconds. But for young children,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: they have a hard time distinguishing between reality and ads.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: So we just made a decision to just feel safe
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and don't have any of that on KidStream.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a different kind of question for you
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: just because you are such a TV industry expert. What
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the stigma of, maybe it's not
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: a stigma, but you know, these kids that are, that
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: are growing up in TV, like that were on the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Mickey mouse club and kids that have been related to
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Disney stuff. You know, you had Britney Spears, Amanda Bynes, um,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus, Bella Thorne, all turning out a
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: certain way and finding their way maybe eventually, but like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they've hit some hard roads, but do you
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: have a thought on what it's like to have these
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: kids thrown into these shows at such an early age?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I, um, I do. I mean, I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: feel for them, you know, when they were thrown into
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: stardom at such a young age. I even think of
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Brittany at 15 or 16 and what she had to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: go through. The one experience I have with that, we
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: had a really good experience. We had the star of
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: LazyTown was a young girl. You know, she was 14
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: at the time, became a very big star. But one
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: thing that really helped was her mother was on set
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: with us all the time. And she was a really
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: good student, too. She really was. And Juliana and Moriales,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: her name is. And she went on to be a,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you know, went to college and I haven't kept in
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: touch with her, but she did a really good job
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: handling that. But I do feel for those young ones
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that get thrown into stardom and how much it must,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: you know, impact their lives. I, you know, you hear
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: about them. I know Natalie Portman, I remember when she
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: decided to go back to college and kind of left
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: the stardom and went, I think she went to Yale
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: But so I mean, there are those that do it well.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: But I do feel bad for them, the ones that
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that don't, you know, because it does, it does, you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: seem to affect them, you know, must, you know, with that,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that superstardom as a young one. Yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And I think it must be hard to once you've
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: experienced that stardom, just go back to being a normal kid,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: so to speak. And you don't know how to find
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: your purpose probably after that. So I personally think that
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: that's where a lot of the struggle comes. It doesn't
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: necessarily have to have anything to do with the, you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: who they're working for. And sometimes it does. But, you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I think the networks must have to do a good
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: job of protecting the kids, making sure they still study
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and have something to do.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: They really do. There's rules about how many hours they
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: can work. If they're a certain age, they have to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: have the parent on set with them. And so there
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: is a lot of good protections out there for them.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: But I think it's when they hit superstardom that there's
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: no rules for that. It must be hard for them.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: They can't go into the shopping malls by themselves without
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: being recognized and things like that.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: My last question for you would be about the future
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: of kids programming.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: What do you see? What should we look for?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I think there's some amazing kids
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: producers out there, and the business is vibrant. And I
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: would open your eyes, just like you saw the shows
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: on Netflix from different countries. That's one thing we do.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: We bring some amazing shows from different markets into the U.S.,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: So I would keep my eyes open for that. You know,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the animation is all really good. You know, it's funny,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: some things old come back again. Like right now, there's
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of stop motion animation. And we're working on
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: a new show. We're bringing a show into the channel.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: We'll be the only ones that have it this year
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: coming called The Sound Collector. And it's very landmark in
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: a couple of ways. The main character is hearing impaired. Hmm.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: which is really cool. And it's a beautifully shot show.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: We have a very famous narrator, Keira Knightley is doing
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the narration on this one. And it comes out of the,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: she has young kids and I've met her, but I've
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: seen some of the promos she's done for the series.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: She's really got into this series. And we also have
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the animation company, called McKinnon and Saunders did all the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: models and all the, you know, stop frame models, which
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: are amazing. And it was, they were the same ones
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: that did the Pinocchio movie that won the Academy Award
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: last year. So that old kind of animation is coming back.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: You know, we also have some stuff from Aardman, like
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Shaun the Sheep that is a little for more for
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: older kids, but it's very safe and funny and, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: things like that. So. I would say whatever is old
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: is new again. Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: I'm just curious how this works.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Like, do you ever remember like a childhood book you
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: have and realize that was never made into animation and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that would be a good idea for
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: an original series to commission eventually?
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just making this up.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: No, it's a great idea. It's a great, you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: almost every, you know, I would say at least half
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: of the stuff we have came from a book. So
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: it's a great way to start animation. It's from books.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Is Ferdinand made into something on TV or a series yet?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: I used to love Ferdinand.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Boy, you have good... Yeah, I remember Ferdinand. The Spanish one? Yeah.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: He lived under a tree or something?
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: And he didn't want to participate in the fights or whatever?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I can't really remember.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: It's a good one. I have a whole list.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a good one. I'll make a note
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of that one. I'll give you credit on that before
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: you ever do that one. I like that as a movie.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: There might be something on that one. Over in Europe,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: but that is a good idea for a movie.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: And then I have one more. I love, do you
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: remember Mrs. Piggle Wiggle?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That sounds really familiar.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, so here's another one. I'm sorry, everybody that's listening.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: That's like, shut up.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Mrs.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Piggle Wiggle was so good. She was an old... Bat
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: of a woman. She was like a babysitter.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: And so if, if parents had a problem with their
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: kid and it was called like the no good, very
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: bad day kid, the kid who always came home and
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: always had a very bad day, the parents would call Mrs.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Pigglewiggle and she would come in. and teach them how
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to change their attitude. Or if it was a kid
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: who didn't like to clean their room or a kid
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: who didn't like to go to sleep, they would call Mrs.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Pigglewiggle and the kids would be so horrified that she
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: had to come in, but she would completely, whatever she did,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: it was a lesson on how to change.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Their attitude or their behavior. And it was a whole series.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: And when I was younger and I would visit my grandmother,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: she would read me the stories from Mrs.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Pigglewiggle.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And there's like 20 chapters in every book. And it
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: always was something that could resonate with you as a kid.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking, you know, when I was five, six, seven.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Important years.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: You develop a lot of your habits by the time
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: you're seven. A lot of the things. So it's great.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Your grandmother read those too.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: So that goes on your list also.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's another one. Boy, that sounds like one that
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the parents would love if we could give them that tool.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: A lot of the things we have in our tools
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: for parents. I mean, we have a show that we're
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the only ones that have it right now called Ollie,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the boy who became what he ate. And him and
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: his little sister go on these adventures. And every adventure
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: is like about a blueberry or an avocado. And so
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: they weave food into the show. So you end up
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: getting these kids much more familiar with vegetables and all
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the positive things about vegetables and fruits. Right.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, I love that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: But also, you know, with one of the lessons I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: remember was a kid in the book, Mrs.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Pigglewiggle, who wouldn't say please or thank you.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: And so I can imagine a parent sitting your kid
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: down and being like, I have an episode for you,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: you know, and the kid watching.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: See what Mrs. Big Oval said?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: So that kind of stuff is fun, whatever. But all right,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: where could parents find your streaming network right now?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, KidsStream is available a number of places online.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You can see them all on our website, which is www,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: there it is, kidstream.tv. So you can go on there
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and see all the places. But just to know, if
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you're an Amazon customer, which a lot of people in
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the US are, we're an Amazon Prime video channel, which
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: is a great place to get us. If you get
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: your cable or internet from Cox or Comcast, you can
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: speak right into the remote and say kid stream and
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: it'll come up. You can also find us on the
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: app store. Roku has us. So both the Google play
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: store and the Apple store, and you can get us
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: directly from kidstream.tv in which you can, you can use
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: those on smart TVs or all your, you know, a
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: lot of our audience watches on tablets or, um, and
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: things like that too. So it's, it's, it's a, there's
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: a number of places you can get us now. Uh,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: but if you want to check us out, uh, you
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: can see us on the, on the web and see
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: what kind of shows we have. And, and, uh, they
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: have a, they usually have a seven day free trial.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Even it's 499 a month is what we charge. Absolutely.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: No commercials. Thank you. Really appreciate you saying that.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's so fantastic. I'm bummed my
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: daughter's 11, but we might have to check it out anyways,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: because she still loves all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Well, Dean, thank you so much. I wish you the
• 50:12
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• 50:15
  Speaker 1: can't wait to see where things go for you.
• 50:17
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• 51:04
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: for it?
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  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 6: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 6: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Lift?
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  Speaker 2: Please.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 6: Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 7: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.