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#42 - People Power Creates Change | Jessie Reimers · The Shed Organics Show

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode
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of The Shed Organics show. My name is Jordan and today's
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episode we are joined by the wonderful Jessie Reimers and she
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is an incredible woman in the space of advocating for our
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personal health, personal health, sovereignty, connection
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to nature, connection to our land, and also standing up for
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what we believe in and to try and make systemic change, bring
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power back to the people and understand that collectively we
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can do something to change our environment.
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Now, this is a little bit different this episode because I
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am currently traveling and you may notice a little bit
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different in the old setup in the audio, but this conversation
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still is so super interesting and so important that I cannot
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wait to get stuck into it. I think covering all of the
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issues that we do in this can feel a little bit heavy and can
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often feel a little daunting, but we touch on some really
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positive changes and some positive people that are making
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huge systemic change. And, you know, sharing the story
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of Jesse's story, growing up having immense illnesses to have
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to deal with, and then making change and actually showing that
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power of the people, petitions and these things can make
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change. So here it is.
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Let's jump straight into the conversation.
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I know that you'll find some really fascinating information
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and inspiration from this. So without further ado, here is
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Jesse Rymans. Obviously you talk a lot about
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living naturally and living in tune with nature and the earth
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and things like this. So what's that journey being
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like for you to to find that as a sort of North Star?
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It started like most people's journeys in the Wellness space,
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I think, with severe health problems myself.
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So I had managed to cockle when I was 18 months old, which is
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very dangerous and I was taken to hospital with half an hour to
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live basically and had while after file of penicillin snapped
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into me and I was in intensive care and had to re learn how to
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walk and talk. I re grew half my brain.
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I was lucky I was under the age of three and had meningococcal
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because your brain has the ability to regrow itself at that
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age. So if I'd had that at an older
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age, I would have basically been brain dead.
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And so after significant doses of antibiotics back in the early
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90s, there was no like replenishing the gut with good
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flora or anything like that. So I developed chronic asthma
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and allergies, spent most of my early childhood in like living
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in the hospital because my asthma was so bad.
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And then in my early 20, like late teenage early 20s, I got
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adenovirus, which is the killer cold and Epstein Barr virus and
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was off school for months with like the worst case of
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tonsillitis the doctors had ever seen.
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And I developed like really significant gut health issues.
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So I could only eat like rice and chicken and leeks and really
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blend fluids. My tongue would swell up in my
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mouth, my lips would swell up. I was having panic attacks
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multiple times a week. I had cystic acne.
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I was covered in rashes. I was extremely depressed and
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anxious. And I kept being told by doctors
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because I went to lots of, lots of doctors.
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I went to nutritionists, I went to specialists.
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And I was told consistently that food had nothing to do with my
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symptoms, to take antidepressants and sleeping
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pills because I was sleeping like an hour to two hours a
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night, that all of my symptoms were in my head.
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And so I literally started Googling like, how do I heal
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myself? Because I was like, I either
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heal or I'm going to fucking die.
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Like I remember sleeping on a camping mattress outside my
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mom's toilet because I would be up all night throwing up.
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I was hospitalized multiple times a year with vomiting bugs.
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I had endometriosis, polycystic ovarian syndrome.
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Like, it was severe. It was.
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Really. And I was like 19/20/21 going
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through that kind of like peak of really bad physical mental
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health. So yeah, Googling how I feel
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myself and I came across the Weston A Price Foundation.
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Have you heard of Doctor Weston A Price?
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No, I haven't. He's a dentist and he went
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around studying like traditional tribes and he wanted to
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understand why Western civilization, like why white
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people's teeth were so bad and like gappy and crooked and why
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they had like weak jaws, you know, that like jaw that goes
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into your neck, whereas like Native American tribes had these
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strong jaws, perfect teeth. And he discovered that a lot of
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that was to do with the low fat diet, like the low fat
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obsession, the low cholesterol obsession.
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Whereas Native Americans and other tribes were eating most
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detail. They were eating full fat.
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There were plenty of places all over the world that were eating
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butter and milk and cheese and all of the fat in animal.
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I mean Inuits eat a lot of whale fat and blood burn stuff.
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So yeah, he discovered that fat was critical to our health.
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So the low fat diet was killing us and also the high seed oil,
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the high grain based diet was killing us as well.
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So I started eating like grass fed meats and bone broths and
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full fat and slowly healing my gut.
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That was the place that I started and I started studying
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natural medicine and my nutrition teacher taught, taught
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me that everything in the food. She told us what we needed to
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know to pass. And then she was like, OK, if
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you follow this, you're going to die of chronic disease.
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And we were like, OK, that's fucking brilliant.
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So then she told us what we needed to know to actually be
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healthy. So we had to learn one set of
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things to pass the curriculum, which is food pyramid grain
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based, low fat seed oil bullshit.
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And then this whole other thing for actual health like full fat,
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you know, Whole Foods, grass fed, thriving.
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And during that time I discovered that the Heart
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Foundation in Australia, we're promoting to eat margarine,
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we're promoting to eat seed oils, we're promoting high grain
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diets and said you can have dessert every night as long as
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it's low fat. So I started this petition when
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I was like 22 to stop the Heart Foundation promoting margarine
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and seed oils. And I ended up on A Current
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Affair, Studio 10, the morning show, Sunrise, ABC Radio
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National. And they removed the ticket of
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approval and they had to change a lot of the information on
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their website. So that's why I know that
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petitions work. A lot of people like, oh,
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petitions do nothing. And my opinion is that they want
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you to feel disempowered and think that petitions do nothing
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because actually it's always people power that makes change.
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And if you're loud enough and you've got enough voices, people
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are forced to stop doing things. It's like when we're
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disenfranchised and believe petitions don't work or people
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power doesn't work, that they get away with doing whatever
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they want. So yeah, that's.
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That's an incredible story. I'm like, I'm very much in
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agreeance with you about those particular foods.
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Even though I talk about how you can grow healthy vegetables, for
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example, my focus is on soil because that very much reflects
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in pasture as well. That is eaten by our animals.
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And for the most part, I'm a carnivore myself eating mostly
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meat and, you know, full fat, all of that sort of thing.
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It's just it seems to be the best I've ever felt.
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And I've was vegetarian for a while and eating all of the
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grains and just feeling my digestive system was just
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absolutely rotten. So I've always been chasing what
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feels best to me and that seemed to always feel the absolute
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best. So I've then gone and, you know,
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taken that further and tried to really nail what's going on in
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that diet. And it just, honestly, it works
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so, so much. It clears up so many of the
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problems that we have and fixes our gut.
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And it's really nice to, to hear that you've, you've done
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something like that. And in terms of like the, the
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changes that you've made with through petitioning, did you,
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did you ever think that that sort of attention would, would
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come on to you early on? And do you think because of the
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way that you had changed your health journey that helped sort
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of inspire people to really look at that, that as an as a change
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that needs to be made? I mean 100%.
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I started my Facebook page maybe 13 years ago because I wanted
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people to have a place where they where they could learn
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about health based on like actual truth instead of based on
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lies and profit. And because that was my
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experience with medicine. And obviously medicine can be
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life saving and necessary. Like they're amazing at
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emergency critical care. They're incredible at so many
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like life saving, truly incredible, groundbreaking
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things. But when it comes to long term
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preventative health, in my opinion, they fail miserably.
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So yeah, I wanted people to have that.
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And so people will thought I was sharing about my journey, I was
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sharing about my health. I'd also discovered essential
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oils during that time I was using Zenjist or digest sandwich
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is our digestive blend because my gut health was horrific.
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And so that has things like peppermint, caraway, ginger,
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fennel and nice. And I was applying that daily
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and my bloating went down instantly.
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The pain went away in my gut. I was able to start eating more
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foods. I started using the on gut
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immune blend and I stopped being hospitalized all the time with
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vomiting bugs and viruses and stuff.
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I started using the balanced grounding blend and I stopped
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having three to five panic attacks a week and feeling my
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nervous system start to start to ground and regulate.
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So the power of plants, like I'm obsessed with plant medicine and
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and the magic and alchemy of plants and replacing all the
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toxic households and personal care products like getting rid
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of the perfume, deodorant, toxic cleaning products like the stuff
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that we wash our clothes in. All of that stuff has endocrine
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disruptors in it, which is hormone disrupting, which is
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what is in the fire Ant poison as well.
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So, you know, supporting my hormones, I managed to get rid
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of my endometriosis and polycystic ovarian syndrome
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simply by getting rid of all the toxic hassle and personal care
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products and using our Claricon blend, which is our monthly
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blend for women. So all of these pieces I was
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sharing online and so people were seeing the changes, you
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know, my skin started to change and clear up.
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I don't have any eczema or rashes on my body anymore at
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all. My my health and vitality came
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back. You can see the clarity in my
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eyes. My energy came back, Yeah.
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Like I stopped being hospitalized constantly.
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So people were seeing my hair started to grow more thick and
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full. At one stage I had a shaved head
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because I was so unwell that I was losing my hair.
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And I remember going to the butcher to buy grass fed organic
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meat. And the butcher thought that I
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was like dying of cancer. I was so thin.
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I was 38 kilograms. Malabsorbin had a shaved head
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and he was like, oh, can I get your food to the car for you?
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I was that unwell in my early 20s.
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So yeah, people were seeing the transformation in my own
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personal health. And they were also seeing the
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science and research that I was sharing.
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I don't jump on. I'm just like, oh, this is this
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is what's right. I'm like, here's the same with
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the fire and stuff. I'm like, here's the science and
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research, here's the studies, Here's what's actually based on
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truth, not lies and prophets. Like that's my whole thing.
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So people were really seeing that.
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And then people started getting throwing out their margarine
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because of what I was sharing and using butter, throwing out
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the seed oils and using cold pressed olive oils and tallow
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and stuff like that. And receiving their own health
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benefits in their own bodies, like eating grass fed organic
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meat, getting organic fruits and vegetables and incorporating
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that in their diet and feeling so much for it.
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So then this like movement started like, yeah, this is
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Jesse. What Jesse's doing is helping me
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and sharing the petition. And people like Pete Evans got
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on board. Sarah Wilson from I quit sugar,
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Cindy Omira from changing habits like the food matters crew, the
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Food matters documentary, doctor Joseph McCullough shared the
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petition. Like some big names started to
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get on board, which and I spent most of two years, I'm autistic,
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so I get hyper focused and fixated.
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And I spent most of two years like, messaging Wellness
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influences and being like, hey, guys, my petition is in a line
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with what you're doing. Could you share it?
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And 98% of people ignored me or said no.
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But over time, slowly, people started sharing it.
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And that's when once Pete Evans shared it, mainstream media got
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a hold of it and it blew up. But I definitely wasn't
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expecting to be like, all over mainstream news and radio.
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That was like pretty entire, I was 2223 when I was on the
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morning show and stuff, and I had to go into the studio in
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Brisbane. I was like holding onto the
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walls, walking down the hallway, I was so anxious.
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But yeah. Change Change was created
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through that and it was epic. That's so, so good.
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I'm so proud of you. That's such an amazing thing.
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We need more people to do that. And I'm a big fan of some of the
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people that you mentioned and they're also sharing similar
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things that are in alignment, which is really cool.
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It's kind of scary that there is so many of these chemicals,
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let's say in all of our products and in our food and almost
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everywhere that we're turning, unfortunately.
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And it can seem quite daunting to, you know, not have too much
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of a solution. But when you see somebody living
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there and making those choices and taking things out and
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showing that it's possible, then it's really, really inspiring.
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And I imagine that like going to the mainstream media and going
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through that world, it's a fairly curated world.
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And did you find that you had the opportunity to speak on all
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the matters that you wanted to in a way that you wanted to or
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was there, were they sort of trying to angle it in a way that
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they wanted, I suppose? They absolutely wanted to make
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me look stupid and they thought it was going to be the easiest
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takedown in the world. Like the Studio 10 interview,
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you can actually YouTube it today still.
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If you YouTube Studio 10, Jesse Rhymer's Heart Foundation
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petition, you can watch the whole interview and there's a
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panel. So there's like four or five
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people in this panel and they were all aiming fire and taking
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shots and they knew that I was like 22 one Centrelink,
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whatever. They thought it'd be the easiest
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takedown in the world. And I just like smashed it with
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science and research and fact after fact.
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So it ended up looking like pretty stupid in my opinion.
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And I managed to like really get my point across.
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And I don't think they expected that.
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So yeah, they, they definitely didn't make it easy for me, but
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I managed to deliver like I'm pretty articulate.
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And because I'm autistic, I have this ability to like recollect
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information and then just like spit it out so.
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It's a bit of a superpower, isn't it?
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So you you're using it. Yeah.
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Well, look, currently then, I mean, previously you've, you've
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sort of just been really advocating for all of these
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different things, trying to make changes, positive changes to our
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lives that are going to change our health for the better and
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getting rid of all of these toxins.
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Talk to me then about moving into this fire Ant program
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recently, because from one point of view, we're told that there
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are fire ants and they're causing problems.
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And then without any sort of consultation with any of us or
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without any looking into the impact of coming in and
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controlling these things, we have people just going in and
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basically doing blanket measures to try and eradicate these
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things while also seemingly eradicating a hell of a lot of
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our native wildlife and our pets and animals and things.
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Can you talk to what's going on with the fire Ant program for
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those that maybe haven't heard of it and what maybe what
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they're saying they're trying to do and then what is actually
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happening? Yeah, so I mean, it's
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interesting in in Telebudra, where I live on the Gold Coast
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in the hinterland, I mean, there's a conservation site at
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the top of Trees Road and the blanket poisoning.
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So they're doing what's called prophylactic poisoning, which
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they're just dropping poison via helicopter into creeks where
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obviously there's no fire ants. And these poisons are known to
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be highly, highly toxic to aquatic organisms.
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They've been busted multiple times dropping it straight into
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creeks, straight into waterways where people's animals drink
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from. I mean, they're not allowed to
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drop it right before rain, which they do very consistently.
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We've busted them over and over breaking the law, dropping it
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before rain, which means it runs straight into our creeks.
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They're going against their own permits, which say that you're
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not supposed to use it for prophylactic poisoning, you're
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supposed to use it directly. So they're breaking at least
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like 6-7 different constitutional chemical use
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environmental laws. And the fact is none of us have
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ever seen a fire Ant. Like fire ants are found in dry,
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flat arid areas. And I know multiple people who
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have fire ants and have reported them multiple times.
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And no one's rocked up to treat the fire ants that they've
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reported yet they're treating non consensually our properties.
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So they came onto my property, they poisoned my property while
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I wasn't home. And now my whole back garden
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behind my house is completely dead.
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Like all of the plants that were there completely dead and brown
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and and same with all along the roads in Telebudger.
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Telebudger is normally green and lush and vibrant, especially in
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spring this time of year. You drive down these streets
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right now, all of the plants beside the road are dead and
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brown and we're heading into like the biggest Bush fire
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season we've had in a very long time.
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And part of that is because they're poisoning everything and
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turning it into kindling. They're also logging the
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conservation site. My mate went up there the other
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day. There's 30 or 40 gum trees down
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that weren't even on the path. It's not like they're trying to
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clear the path. The path was clear.
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They're logging up there and then stacking these trees up
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like kindling near peoples houses.
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So yeah, the poisons are killing dogs.
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And that's not like some sort of mythical thing that we've
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made-up. Like, we have toxicology reports
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from vets to show that these dogs have had liver poisoning
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from the fire Ant poison. Horses are dying like cattle,
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sheep, livestock are dying. They're having lots of
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stillbirths as well, like far more stillbirths than normal
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after poisoning. This woman in Mowoomba messaged
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me the other day and she had there's three houses next door
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to each other. So there were five dogs in total
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on these properties. All five dogs got diagnosed with
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cancer within two weeks of each other, six months after the fire
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crew came and poisoned. All five of their dogs died
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within 10 months of the poisoning.
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So like, it's fucking hectic. And imagine what that's doing to
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the native animals, the Wallabies, the echidnas, the
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platypus in our creeks, the Kangaroos, like the koalas, all
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of these native wildlife and the plant and the soil biodiversity.
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You were speaking to that like people's fruit trees.
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Fruit trees are not growing anymore.
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I'm not growing fruit on my property.
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They've been bombing it via helicopter non-stop like at
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night as well coming. I can hear the chopper at night.
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I went out on my veranda the other day to try and meditate
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because that's where I normally meditate.
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My outdoor couches and the ground and the table were
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covered in a chemical coating on my veranda.
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Like that is unsafe. I'm not going to go out there
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and meditate. Like we had to get masked up and
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gloved up and blow all of that off and clean it off.
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It's so unsafe. And they're known to be
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endocrine disruptors, potent endocrine disruptors and they're
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saying that it's safe and effective.
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Where have we heard that before? Without any proof?
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Like in Europe, they use the precautionary principle.
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You have to prove that it's safe.
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Here they just like use it. There's no soil testing that's
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been done, there's no like long term environmental impact
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studies that have been done at all and they're just saying it's
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safe and effective without any actual backing or proof.
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Meanwhile there's studies done that show these are liver toxic
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endocrine disruptors can lead to estrogen fed cancers, which you
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know, with all the other shit in our environment, like it's just
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stacking and stacking and stacking up.
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And I've been struggling to breathe.
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Like I was so unwell last week I had this dry rasping cough
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because they were just bombing our place with choppers nonstop
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that week and it was so dry and they poisoned my place without
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consent. And then they came another time
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when I was home and I said get off my land like I back onto a
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Creek. You're not supposed to do it 8
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meters from. Creek.
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The Creek is 2 meters from my back fence.
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You're not supposed to do it before rain.
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It's due to rain tomorrow. You're killing the wildlife.
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Get off my property. And then they put a letter in my
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inbox threatening me with a $16,000 fine and threatening me
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with using police force if I don't consent to them coming
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onto my property to poison it. I own my property, but
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apparently we don't have private property rights anymore because
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they wrote the Bio Security Act which overwrites our private
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property laws, which is just like a deeply concerning on so
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many levels. Like it's just not OK what
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they're doing. I totally agree and yes they
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might have a safe. Well, let's not maybe not use
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the word safe, but effective poison for a fire Ant because it
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it clearly kills everything. So yes, it's going to work.
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And they've probably put a little bit on an Ant and then
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yes, it works. But that doesn't mean that you
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blanket spray something all over the place.
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And yeah. And they say that it only kills
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fire ants, which is just ludicrous.
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How can, how can there be like a poison that's intelligent enough
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to target just a fire Ant? We've, we've watched, we have it
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on camera filming native ants picking up this bait and taking
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it back to their queen. And actually native ants are our
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best defense, sorry, against fire ants.
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So Doctor Joshua King, who is a world leading entomologist and a
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literal fire ants expert from the United States, he has
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written a letter to our government because he's that
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concerned with the prophylactic poisoning and said prophylactic
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poisoning is not recommended. He's deeply concerned you're
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killing the native ants, which are our best fence against fire
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ants. And please use something like
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the direct hot water injection method, which has been studied
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with Southern Cross University to be extremely effective,
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unsafe, highly effective, highly safe, where you just basically
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direct steam injection into the mounds, which kills, kills the
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fire ants and kills the man's without killing everything,
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including the biodiversity of our soil, including native
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birds. So many native birds have been
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found on the roadside all over the place, dead and otherwise
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uninjured. So they've been poisoned.
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Yes. It's deeply disturbing.
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And also they're just completely ignoring us.
22:22
I've written a cease and desist letter, a letter with an
22:25
Environmental Protection order demand based on all of the laws
22:28
that they're breaking, based on the studies that show how toxic
22:30
this stuff is. Not one word of a reply in two
22:33
months. And they say they're continuing
22:35
to say that they've received no evidence of harm despite
22:38
thousands of people sending them evidence of their pets and stuff
22:42
dying. And they're like, oh, we haven't
22:44
received any evidence. They're just blatantly lying to
22:46
the community. So and now the ombudsman, which
22:49
is supposed to be our like legal recourse.
22:52
The ombudsman is supposed to keep, you know, government
22:54
bodies hold them accountable when they're doing things that
22:57
are causing harm. It literally set pops up on the
23:00
ombudsman website. If this is about the fire and
23:02
thing, report it to the government department who are
23:04
doing the poisoning. All right, so we expected that a
23:09
department that's getting over a billion dollars to poison
23:11
everything is going to self govern and hold themselves
23:13
accountable rather than having the processes in place that are
23:16
supposed to protect us. Like it's lawless, it's insane,
23:20
it's totally in unjust, and it's disgusting.
23:24
It really is. And hey guys, really quickly
23:28
jumping in. I just want to remind you if you
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23:44
Just going back to the chemical itself, what's the name of the
23:47
chemical that they're putting in this, if you if you know what it
23:49
is? There's a couple of them.
23:51
There's pyroproxyphen which has been proven to be liver toxic,
23:54
extremely toxic to aquatic organisms, potent endocrine
23:59
disruptor. There's also as methoprene as
24:01
well if you go into the petition.
24:04
So I've started a petition. Well, Simon started actually,
24:06
we're working on this petition together, Simon from Save the
24:08
Bees. But I've put a lot of
24:11
information about every chemical and all of the studies as well.
24:14
So people don't want the science and research like it's there.
24:17
There's a recent study that's showing the toxic consequences
24:19
of this program. And then there's like links to
24:22
all of these studies describing the chemicals.
24:24
I mean, pyroproxyfen was used in Brazil in people's water tanks,
24:30
in their water supply ramp. And then there were 4000 birth
24:34
defects in Brazil with babies born with tiny little heads.
24:38
It's called microfolly or something like that.
24:40
I'm sorry, that's badly pronounced.
24:41
But 4000 birth defects and those studies linking that, and now
24:45
they're saying all of those studies are incorrect and wrong
24:49
and, you know, can't be proven. And it was the Zika virus.
24:52
It wasn't the pyraproxyphen that we put in the water supply.
24:55
And if you bring that up with mainstream media or anything,
24:57
you just get shot down. All those studies are being
24:59
proven wrong. It's like, guys, you literally
25:01
put it in people's water tanks. Then there was 4000 birth
25:04
defects. Like that's a major situation
25:07
that we've got going on, so. Right.
25:09
I often think like say, for example, DDT used to be sprayed
25:15
quite liberally all the time. And, you know, in hindsight, we
25:19
all found out that it was incredibly terrible for for us.
25:24
And I feel like there's so many of these things now that in so
25:29
many years we're going to look back and say, why were we so
25:32
stupid to be spraying these in such large quantities?
25:35
Glyphosate being obviously one of them as well.
25:39
Just in the, in the massive agricultural fields around this
25:43
area in the countryside of the UK, there is a lot of farmland
25:46
and we're out for, for Rwanda yesterday along the fields.
25:50
And you can see once the harvest has come in or even in different
25:54
times during the harvest, they've sprayed glyphosate.
25:56
The entire thing is yellow. You can see all of the edges of
26:00
the grass, it's all yellow and dying.
26:02
And you can see where the runoff is going down towards the little
26:06
creeks and things off the off the side.
26:08
And this is where all of the, again, all of the wildlife is.
26:12
It's connected for all of our the, the towns and the villages
26:16
around here and everybody is getting affected from this
26:19
widespread spraying. In the property that I'm in at
26:22
the moment, there's big fields literally on the other side of
26:25
the fence to my grandmother's vegetable garden, which is like
26:31
a bit scary. Even though she does heavily
26:34
organic growing and can mitigate a whole bunch of these chemicals
26:39
that come in, you're not going to cop it all.
26:42
And they're coming in with these sprayers and just sort of
26:44
spraying above. It's it's scary that yeah, in
26:48
the future we're going to look back and realize how terrible
26:52
these things are. And it doesn't, it doesn't make
26:55
sense to me why people why these big corporations or whether it's
27:01
government or whatever it is, why they don't listen.
27:05
I mean, they're because. They're making billions bro.
27:10
Like it always comes back to that.
27:11
It's like. Well, exactly.
27:15
Yeah, with examples. So we'll just do whatever the
27:17
fuck we want. But the fact is they work for
27:19
us. They're public servants, they're
27:20
paid for by us. And the more that we like band
27:22
together and unify and like, no, this is not OK and actually use
27:26
our voices and our strength, the more they're going to have to
27:29
get in their place. Because the reality is we are
27:32
the ones with the power. They work for us.
27:33
And we need to remember that collectively so that they stop
27:36
this bullshit. I mean, did you hear about what
27:38
happened in WA and the Kimberleys with the First
27:42
Nations people over there that the government paid to spray
27:45
Agent Orange as a wedding agent to kill weeds?
27:50
And dozens and dozens of these men died like in their early 30s
27:54
of cancer of like internal bleeding.
27:57
They had skin lesions. And then there were birth
28:00
defects from the the children that those people had.
28:04
Like it's, it's horrific. And the government is still to
28:06
this day denying that it happened and denying proper
28:09
compensation for the families effective.
28:11
And it's generational now as well.
28:13
It's not just those people, it's generational effects.
28:16
Like it's. It's appalling.
28:18
Yeah, they can. They're very quick to cover up
28:21
any mistakes, that's for sure. It seems.
28:23
And I think that, yeah, if there's a, if there's money to
28:28
be made in the program that they're doing and there's, you
28:34
know, they're not completely thinking about all of the pros
28:37
and cons of what they're actually doing.
28:39
And then ignoring public discourse that's actually, you
28:43
know, giving them the boots on the ground experience and
28:46
information. That's really what, what this is
28:48
actually doing, then that's seriously is a what's criminal
28:54
really, isn't it? So it's going against all of our
28:57
constitutions and things like this.
28:59
So just touching back before on you said that direct inject
29:03
method, that seems like such an easy way of going around and
29:07
eradicating them. Maybe they have to spend a
29:09
little bit more effort going and finding these mounds.
29:12
But what other sorts of things are being talked about?
29:16
Is that the sort of the main one that would be really effective
29:18
to use instead of spraying? 100% I mean people that have
29:24
nests on their properties as well could easily take care of
29:26
them as well. Like there's a website, Sarah
29:28
from Sanford Valley who is getting absolutely bombarded
29:31
with poison has a website called Fire Ant treatment alternatives.
29:35
And they talk about like orange essential oil.
29:38
And I can't remember the other things that they use because I
29:41
don't have fire ants. I've never seen a fire in my
29:42
life. So I'm not urgently looking for
29:44
alternatives, but direct hot water injection method, orange
29:47
oil. I believe there's a bunch of
29:49
other simple home remedies and property owners could like be
29:53
responsible in account because no one wants fire ants, bro.
29:55
Like I'm not here saying, Oh yeah, let's just let fire ants
29:57
like ruin everything. No, let's like deal with the
30:00
problem safely and effectively in consultation with the people
30:04
that own these properties, that have animals on these properties
30:07
that have babies and small children who now it's not safe
30:10
for them to plant a grass. Like I can't grow food safely on
30:12
my own land. Now if I wanted to grow food
30:15
safely, I'd have to do a greenhouse.
30:16
But they're even going into nurseries on the Gold Coast and
30:19
poisoning the nurseries. Like it's so insane, it's so
30:24
concerning. You're right.
30:25
So when there's when there's children, I mean, that's what's
30:31
been scary is like seeing the police get involved in sort of
30:35
breaking into properties. I think I'm pretty sure that was
30:38
in Sanford as well, like one of the ones I saw just how they
30:41
just forced themselves onto properties and will will spray
30:45
in the and they're sort of saying that, you know, if you're
30:47
stopping us doing this, you're providing environmental threats
30:50
by keeping the fire ants around. But then it's like, but you're
30:53
the ones doing probably more well, in fact, yes, more
30:57
environmental damage then if the fire Ant was sort of, you know,
31:02
dealt with in a different way. It's just it's it seems crazy
31:05
and that's obviously why you've started this petition.
31:09
I want to put that in the description of the show so
31:12
everyone can go and check it out and hopefully sign it as well.
31:15
Please. Would be amazing because we just
31:17
want, it's not necessarily about trying to get back at government
31:24
for any particular thing. It's about just raising
31:26
awareness and having a voice and as you say, power of the people,
31:31
showing that we all are together, united in a decision.
31:35
That means we want better health for ourselves, for our
31:38
communities, for the soil, for the ecology.
31:41
It's just a simple thing that we can do to stand up and say,
31:45
yeah, look, I'm, I support what? Sorry, I don't support it or I
31:50
do support it, whatever it may be in the petition and you can
31:53
make change as you've clearly shown.
31:58
I want to just move personally for you then in in terms of
32:04
coming out with these things publicly, it can often feel
32:10
really difficult when you're not being listened to, when you're
32:14
seemingly screaming from the rooftops but falling on deaf
32:18
ears or even made out to seem like you're a bit crazy.
32:22
Can you talk to me a little bit about your experience with that
32:25
over the years and how you sort of stay grounded yourself in
32:31
that? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely
32:33
really important to have a regulated nervous system through
32:36
this. Otherwise it's like all burnout.
32:38
And I do get really upset. Like I've cried a lot about
32:42
because a lot of people message me about their dead dogs and
32:44
their dead livestock and like, I love animals.
32:47
So I get really upset because I've lost my own dog, not
32:50
through the firearm, but when I was a kid I lost my dog.
32:52
And I know what that heartbreak is like, so it is devastating.
32:55
So I have to be really focused on nervous system regulation.
32:59
I always start my morning with meditation.
33:01
I used tapping emotional freedom technique.
33:04
Brad Gates on YouTube has lots of free videos.
33:06
I use my essential oils, things like balance, peace, vetiver,
33:10
Blue Lotus, you know, Jasmine Rose, lots of things that are
33:14
going to like keep my heart open but also keep me grounded into
33:17
the earth. Frankincense super grounding.
33:20
So yeah, I do that. I swim in the ocean all the
33:22
time. I'm not swimming in the creeks
33:23
anymore because they're all being poisoned, which is
33:25
devastating. Like some of the things that I
33:27
used to use to regulate my nervous system have been taken
33:30
from me because they're not safe.
33:32
And I also have a lot of support.
33:34
Like it's really, it's really easy to listen to the haters and
33:38
the naysayers because they're always loud and negative and
33:40
hateful. But I've learnt over the years
33:43
to tune that out and to tune in to all of the support.
33:47
I have a lot of people messaging me and commenting me with love
33:49
and appreciation and support and that are grateful for me using
33:52
my voice to fight for the animals and the environment.
33:56
And also I just tune into like, basically what I'm doing is
33:59
God's work and it has to be done.
34:02
And I've had a lot of animals actually come up to me.
34:05
Like I've got king parrots that fly up onto my balcony and will
34:08
sit there and come up really close to me now.
34:10
And the next door neighbor's horse comes over to the fence
34:13
and like gives me the nod and the chickens are all coming like
34:16
right up onto my friend. And they never used to do that.
34:18
Like all the wildlife is kind of coming up and interacting with
34:21
me. So I just tune into like, I know
34:24
that they know that I'm trying to support them and, and work
34:28
with them and protect them. And so I've just like tuned into
34:32
the energetics of that keep my feet on the earth.
34:34
And yeah, like it has to be done.
34:36
I can't not do anything. It's like in my spirit to fight
34:40
for justice and to fight for the environment, animals.
34:44
So yeah. And, and the other thing is
34:45
like, I would really love if more people of influence got on
34:48
board. So if there's anyone listening
34:49
to this that has a social media account, whether that's 100
34:52
followers or 100,000 or 1,000,000 followers, if you can
34:55
create a reel, if you can share the petition on your stories, if
34:58
you can like collaborate and get involved because it's the voices
35:02
of influence and we all have influence, no matter how small
35:04
that is. It's conversations with your
35:06
hairdresser, the person at the fruit shop, the butcher about
35:09
this stuff. And I've also got Flyers in my
35:12
Instagram bio. So if you live in Australia, you
35:16
could print those out and like put them on community notice
35:18
boards, hand them out on the street and drop them in
35:20
letterbox boxes. Like it'll be boots on the
35:22
ground, grassroots movements that effects change.
35:25
And I know that we can affect change, but this whole bystander
35:28
effect of someone else's responsibility or Jesse, we'll
35:31
sort this out or whoever will sort this out that will see
35:34
change not affected. It's when we each take
35:36
responsibility and take whatever action we can take that we will
35:40
get this stopped. And we can do it quickly too.
35:42
Like we could get this done today, tomorrow, if we all just
35:44
band together and we're like, not enough's enough.
35:47
Yeah, absolutely. Right.
35:48
And it seems like when you've got such an insurmountable
35:53
thing, you're like, I'm not going to make a difference
35:55
because it's so big, it's the government, it's blah, blah,
35:57
blah. There's so many black people in
35:59
the world, what am I going to be able to do?
36:01
But in my opinion, in my journey, I very much focus on
36:06
one person at a time. And it's just like if, as you
36:10
say, if you have 100 followers, even if you can influence one
36:13
person to just think differently about it or to get one person to
36:17
sign the petition, that's if we all just got one person, then it
36:21
just continually spreads. Have you from the petition
36:31
that's been coming out? What's the plan in terms of how
36:37
you'd plan to take that petition and take it to through those
36:41
steps, I presume similar to how it was when you were tackling
36:45
the Heart Foundation. What do you see as your sort of
36:48
as the the next steps after we're handing in the petition,
36:52
hopefully with many, many signatures?
36:54
What's what happens next? Yeah, I mean, I think we've
36:58
only, we've got 16,000, which is amazing so far, but I really
37:01
feel like we need at least 100, possibly several 100,000 to
37:04
really gain traction and to not be ignored.
37:07
And once we've got those kinds of signatures, we'll get media
37:09
attention as well. And I also want to make this
37:11
government a global embarrassment.
37:12
Like imagine if someone like David Attenborough or like Zach
37:15
Bush or like some big names started sharing, you know, like
37:19
the Australian government, a murdering platypus, like that
37:22
kind of thing would go super viral.
37:23
So if we get that fraction, I mean, it's the petition is
37:26
addressed to the head of bio security and the minister for
37:31
agriculture and environment and stuff.
37:32
So that's they're going to get the petition and they're just
37:35
going to get the heat. And also, you know, we will look
37:37
at legal action, like we can potentially put an injunction in
37:41
the Supreme Court for a statewide ban.
37:43
So that's something that I'm looking into.
37:45
I would just personally do that. Yeah, it's, I've just got to
37:50
have enough evidence as well. And I've been trying to get
37:52
people to send me affidavits and like stat decks of what's been
37:55
going on in their properties. But people are like so
37:57
overwhelmed in survival. It's been like kind of bit like
38:00
pulling teeth trying to get some of those affidavits.
38:02
I've got a couple. But yeah, I kind of need some
38:06
more backing and support in order to take this to court,
38:09
which I will do if they don't stop it.
38:11
But I kind of want to just get enough traction and enough,
38:14
like, noise in the space that when I take it to court, it's
38:17
like, undeniable. And they can't just, like, get
38:20
away with it because there's so many public eyes on it.
38:22
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. And when it does come more into
38:27
the the mainstream sphere, then hopefully more people that have
38:33
heard about it or whatever will then choose to weigh in because
38:37
they may not have previously if it's not sort of made it to that
38:41
level yet. And then when you're bringing it
38:43
and then you're exposing it on such a large scale and a
38:46
mainstream scale, then, yeah, more and more people can weigh
38:49
in on the comments sections and things like this.
38:51
And this is where we have all of that public discourse, which
38:54
helps us find the truth, helps us discover actually what's
38:57
going on and then do something about it.
38:59
Because we need more conversations about these
39:03
things. And shying away from it due to
39:05
fear or frustration or anything like that can be actually worse
39:09
than just speaking out about it. You don't necessarily have to
39:14
come out with a bunch of, but like in anger or in frustration
39:19
or anything like that, even though that's a very valid
39:21
feeling. We're trying to come out in a
39:24
way of saying like, look, we, we generally want to care about our
39:28
environment. We generally don't want to have
39:31
any negative impacts. We're trying to do the right
39:34
thing, but we're not being listened to.
39:36
This should be a collective agreement as to what to do to
39:40
how to treat these things from the communities, from all of
39:44
these places around the world. I think that's just like, you
39:50
know, with most people who are into gardening and health
39:54
sovereignty and trying to look after their bodies and look
39:57
after their health. This makes sense, right?
40:00
It makes it makes a lot of sense that we wouldn't want to do
40:04
these things. So I feel like the community
40:06
that already is pretty conscious is going to be slightly easier
40:10
to get on board or to see the point in this, but.
40:15
When you mentioned the bystander effect before, it's almost like
40:19
if it doesn't affect me if I'm living in an inner city, then
40:23
they just don't bother thinking about it.
40:26
So how do you see that challenge of trying to get somebody who is
40:32
in a city to think about these things when they're not directly
40:35
affected like yourself, where you've got choppers overhead?
40:40
Yeah, I mean, if I, when I was living in the city, I would go
40:42
on holidays to places I'd want to be able to see platypus and
40:46
echidnas and like, you know, go walk in the forest and it not be
40:50
fucking poisoned and desecrated. So fingers crossed people.
40:54
I mean, I feel like people in Australia, I always had this
40:56
thing that Australians like really care.
40:58
I mean, not everyone obviously, but the general, general
41:02
everyday people actually really care about our native birds.
41:06
You know, like bird watching is a big thing.
41:08
You know, I used to tease my mom about having a bird watching
41:11
book. And now like I'm obsessed with
41:12
the the ringneck parrots that I see around here.
41:14
They're like turquoise with cobalt blue wings and yellow
41:16
chests. And I'm like, shit, I just saw
41:18
one and get really excited. And I feel like most people, you
41:20
know, like love and I'm proud of our incredible and incredibly
41:26
unique flora and fauna over here.
41:28
Like we have stunning and very like cute and curious animals
41:32
here. And so just appealing to the
41:34
everyday person. Even if you live in the city,
41:36
like you still have a love for platypus and echidnas and
41:39
Wallabies and koalas. I would think like, we all grew
41:42
up watching Steve Owen as well. And I think he'd be fucking
41:45
horrified what's happening personally.
41:47
Like, I hope that he would be and I hope that he would like,
41:50
be a wildlife warrior next to me and use his voice to put a stop
41:54
to what's happening. You know, he was my idol and my
41:57
role model growing up. So I just kind of like, draw on
42:00
that love of wildlife and hope that people would want to
42:03
protect it. Like, we love Australia.
42:06
Let's stop fucking poisoning it, basically.
42:08
Yeah, you're right that that does make a lot of sense because
42:11
we do in the, in Australia, there is a very proud feeling
42:16
about the country and about the the specialty in wildlife and
42:21
our ecosystem and people like Steve O in our great food
42:25
championing that. And hopefully his family can get
42:28
involved maybe or something like that.
42:30
Yeah. I've tagged him.
42:32
I haven't heard anything from him, unfortunately.
42:33
But maybe if we all kind of like, keep being like, hey,
42:37
Robert Bindi, Terry, like, this is what's happening.
42:40
Can you please use your voice because you've got massive
42:43
influence. Yeah.
42:45
Yeah, it's true. And it's you often see though,
42:48
like people in that sphere, and I don't want to, you know, talk
42:53
or throw shade on anything in particular because I don't
42:55
exactly know. But if someone is involved in
42:58
mainstream media and their job and their livelihood is tied in
43:04
around having that connection to mainstream media to put the food
43:10
on the table for their families, they are probably more inclined
43:14
to turn a blind eye or to not necessarily nefariously, but
43:19
just if there's something and then it's quite clearly going to
43:22
go up against your employer or your the people that you're
43:25
involved with, they're going to be reluctant to say anything too
43:28
strong in fear of losing their position.
43:32
And we saw this with Pete Evans in previous years.
43:35
How, you know, he can be so viciously attacked by the people
43:39
that he was, you know, he was well into that mainstream and he
43:44
was being, he was torn apart by them and sort of chewed up and
43:48
spat out. And good on him for sticking to
43:52
his truth and to continue to share what he has shared.
43:56
He's got more. Courage than most people in in
43:59
that space, like he's got a lot of courage and he's really
44:02
copped it over the years. I feel for him so.
44:04
Yeah, definitely. So I feel like, you know, when
44:07
there are these obstacles you're up against as a personality in
44:11
the mainstream, a lot of people aren't as courageous as someone
44:16
like Pete. So it does make it quite
44:18
difficult and hopefully we're going to be able to inspire a
44:22
few more people of the of that kind of calibre to speak up on
44:26
these kinds of issues. Look, let's let's just round
44:30
out, I want to have one last thing that we can hopefully
44:34
leave on a as much positive note as we can in terms of this this
44:39
sort of particular thing. What is something that you would
44:44
say to people to try and help them find that love again for
44:51
the for nature and for the earth in general enough to be able to
44:57
feel good about speaking up on these issues and and caring for
45:02
our land, trying to motivate them to look after the land, be
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good stewards of the land. Is there anything that you see
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is like really promising that's happening and how people can get
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involved with doing more in that kind of space?
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Yeah, for sure. I mean, I, I'm filled with so
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much hope and faith, honestly. Like obviously this is big stuff
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and it can be easy to feel like overwhelmed and scared and I
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have had moments of that. But honestly my deeper core is
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like deep hope and faith because there's been so many people,
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like thousands and thousands of people supporting what I'm doing
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and what so many other people. It's not just me.
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Like there's so much Community Action happening on the ground,
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like boots on the ground. People have been working on it
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for way longer than me and doing so much.
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So like I'm in contact with a bunch of those people and
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they're deeply passionate and like deeply care and unifying to
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to make change. So I would say just like
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practice getting your feet on the ground.
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Like if you're inside a lot or working a nine to five job or
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like living in the city, get out on the weekends and go for a
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Bush walk, get in the ocean. Like get your feet on the
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ground, turn off the screens and just like get connected.
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Look outside of the beautiful gum trees, you know, get
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connected to the wildlife and just like tap in.
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I love to sit on the land and just like take some big breaths
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and like feel the connection to the earth.
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And so the more you can do that, the more you're going to feel
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the call to stand up and and fight to protect this beauty.
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Because if we don't like it won't, it won't be the same.
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You know, it probably already isn't the same with the damage
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that they've done. And it's worth protecting.
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Like the nature is the most beautiful part of being in this
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realm, like in this existence. So it's so worth fighting for,
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for ourselves, for our kids, for our grandkids, for for the
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animals as well. Like humans have had such a
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negative impact on species and extinctions over the years.
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And we don't want to see more of that, but I do.
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I'm filled with hope and faith that we can really make a
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difference together. So yeah, staying in that like
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positive frequency crucial as well.
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I love Joe Dispenza's work. I'm listening to his book
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Becoming Supernatural at the moment.
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Yeah, maintaining that high vibration.
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And that's why I created that reel where I basically created a
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prayer as well, so people can read that out and like speak
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that into existence. Because if we're just focusing
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on the negative all the time, it's just overwhelming and it's
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not that helpful. Like just, yeah, screaming and
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ranting, like not very effective.
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Being grounded and tapped in and working together.
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And like in that resonance of prayer and higher vibration,
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that's what's going to win. Because evil and like poison,
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that's not rooted to anything that actually has any foundation
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and structure. Like it's weak.
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It is weak and like frail. Whereas being tapped into the
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earth and coming from love that has power like connected to
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source, connected to the land, connected with our hearts, so
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much more strong, vital, stable, like a live higher frequency.
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So yeah, that's that's what I want to share about that.
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And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen, what a conversation,
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sometimes heavy, but it left on a really positive note.
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And I think it's encouraging to know that there are so many
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people out there fighting the good fight to protect what is so
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precious to us in this country and precious to us in the
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ecosystem. So please go and check out the
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petition. The link is in the description.
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Jessie's profiles will be in there as well.
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So you can go and follow her. You can communicate with her,
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collaborate with her, share her posts and really get out there
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and start doing something because even if it is one person
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one time that you help, that helps so much.
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So let's spread the awareness. Go down into the description and
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follow the links. If you enjoyed the show, if you
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enjoyed the episode, share it around.
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Even just share the whole link to the episode.
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Tell a friend they must come and listen to this.
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And if you feel so inclined, any kind of review, whether you
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leave some thoughtful comments or some stars on any of the
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platforms is incredibly helpful, helps us find more people and
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helps more people empowered with the knowledge to look after
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themselves, their communities and the larger world as a whole.
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So that's it from me. I really appreciate you for
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listening as always, and I can't wait to see you on the next
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episode. Bye for now.