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6-year-old missing Maddox mystery deepens; Woman accuses Supreme Court nominee of sex attack · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers,
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  Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. It's the
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  Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi
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  Speaker 1: who is burned alive and the story of the man
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  Speaker 1: accused of this heinous crime. Is that the right guy
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  Speaker 1: on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers?
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  Speaker 1: And how does such a horrific crime occur? With more
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  Speaker 1: questions than answers, this is the case that has captured
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  Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and leaves a small
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  Speaker 1: town divided. This is a must see TV event. It
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  Speaker 1: features exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as
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  Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on. Unspeakable crime
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  Speaker 1: The Killing of Jessica Chambers. Saturdays at seven six Central
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  Speaker 1: on Oxygen, the new network for crime Crime Online News Update.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Alan Duke. Just ahead another hour of crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In this hour, Nancy looks at the
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  Speaker 1: search for missing six year old Maddox Rich in North
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  Speaker 1: Carolina and the Senate testimony of Dr Christine Blasi Ford,
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  Speaker 1: who accuses Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.
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  Speaker 1: First let's hear a crucial segment of what Dr Ford
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  Speaker 1: told the senators. There were four boys I remember specifically
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  Speaker 1: being at the house, Brett Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, a boy
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  Speaker 1: named p J, and one other boy whose name I
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  Speaker 1: cannot recall. I also remember my friend Leland attending. I
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  Speaker 1: do not remember all of the details of how that
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  Speaker 1: gathering came together, but like many that summer, it was
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  Speaker 1: almost surely a spur of the moment gathering. I truly
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  Speaker 1: wish I could be more helpful with more detailed answers
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  Speaker 1: to all of the questions that have and will be
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  Speaker 1: asked about how I got to the party and where
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  Speaker 1: it took place and so forth. I don't have all
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  Speaker 1: the answers, and I don't remember as much as I
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  Speaker 1: would like to. But the details that about that night
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  Speaker 1: that bring me here today are the ones I will
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  Speaker 1: never forget. They have been seared into my memory and
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  Speaker 1: have haunted me episodically as an adult. When I got
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  Speaker 1: to the small gathering, people were drinking beer in a
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  Speaker 1: small living room family room type area on the first
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  Speaker 1: floor of the house. I drank one beer. Brett and
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  Speaker 1: Mark were visibly drunk early in the evening. I went
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  Speaker 1: up a very narrow set of stairs leading from the
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  Speaker 1: living room to a second floor to use the restroom.
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  Speaker 1: When I got to the top of the stairs, I
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  Speaker 1: was pushed from behind into a bedroom across from the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't see who pushed me. Brett and Mark came
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  Speaker 1: into the bedroom and locked the door behind them. There
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  Speaker 1: was music playing in the bedroom. It was turned up
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  Speaker 1: louder by either Brett or Mark. Once we were in
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  Speaker 1: the room, I was pushed onto the bed and Brett
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  Speaker 1: got on top of me. He began running his hands
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  Speaker 1: over my body and grinding into me. I yelled, hoping
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  Speaker 1: that someone downstairs might hear me, and I tried to
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  Speaker 1: get away from him, but his weight was heavy. Brett
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  Speaker 1: groped me and tried to take off my clothes. He
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  Speaker 1: had a hard time because he was very inebriated, and
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  Speaker 1: because I was wearing a one piece bathing suit underneath
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  Speaker 1: my clothing. I believed he was going to rape me.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to yell for help. When I did, Brett
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  Speaker 1: put his hand over my mouth to stop me from yelling.
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  Speaker 1: This is what terrified me the most and has had
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  Speaker 1: the most lasting impact on my life. It was hard
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  Speaker 1: for me to breathe, and I thought that Brett was
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  Speaker 1: accidentally going to kill me. Both Brett and Mark were
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  Speaker 1: drunkenly laughing during the attack. They seemed to be having
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  Speaker 1: a very good time. Mark seemed ambivalent, at times urging
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  Speaker 1: Brett on and at times telling him to stop. A
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  Speaker 1: couple of times I made a contact with Mark and
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  Speaker 1: thought he might try to help me, but he did not.
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  Speaker 1: During this assault, Mark came over and jumped on the
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  Speaker 1: bed twice while Brett was on top of me, and
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  Speaker 1: the last time that he did this, we toppled over
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  Speaker 1: and Brett was no longer on top of me. I
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  Speaker 1: was able to get up and run out of the room.
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  Speaker 1: Directly across from the bedroom was a small bathroom. I
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  Speaker 1: ran inside the bathroom and locked the door. I waited
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  Speaker 1: until I heard Brett and Mark leave the bedroom, laughing
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  Speaker 1: and loudly walked down the narrow stairway, pinballing off the
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  Speaker 1: walls on the way down. I waited, and when I
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  Speaker 1: did not hear them come back up the stairs, I
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  Speaker 1: left the bathroom, went down the same stair wall through
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  Speaker 1: the living room, and left the house. I remember being
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  Speaker 1: on the street and feeling this enormous sense of relief
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  Speaker 1: that I escaped that house and that Brett and Mark
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  Speaker 1: were not coming outside after me. Brett's assault on me
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  Speaker 1: drastically altered my life. For a very long time, I
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  Speaker 1: was too afraid and ashamed to tell anyone these details.
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  Speaker 1: I did not want to tell my parents that I,
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  Speaker 1: at age fifteen, was in a house without any parents present,
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  Speaker 1: drinking beer with boys. I convinced myself that because Brett
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  Speaker 1: did not rape me, I should just move on and
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  Speaker 1: just pretend that it didn't happen. Over the years, I
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  Speaker 1: told very very few friends that I had this traumatic experience.
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  Speaker 1: I told my husband before we were married that I
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  Speaker 1: had experienced a sexual assault. I had never told the
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  Speaker 1: details to anyone, the specific details until May two thousand twelve,
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  Speaker 1: during a couple's counseling session. The reason this came up
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  Speaker 1: in counseling is that my husband and I had completed
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  Speaker 1: a very extensive, very long remodel of our home, and
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  Speaker 1: I insisted on a second front door, an idea that
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  Speaker 1: he and others disagreed with and could not understand. In
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  Speaker 1: explaining why I wanted a second front door, I began
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  Speaker 1: to describe the assault in detail. I recall saying that
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  Speaker 1: the boy who assaulted me could someday be on the U. S.
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and spoke a bit about his background at
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  Speaker 1: an elitist all boys school in beth As to Maryland.
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  Speaker 1: My husband recalls that I named my attacker as Brett Kavanaugh.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy discusses the Brett Kavanaugh ca So the second half
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  Speaker 1: of this hour on Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. It's been torture. I'm not eating,
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  Speaker 1: not sleeping. I'm just worried about getting my little boy back.
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  Speaker 1: Appearing with police this afternoon at a news conference was
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  Speaker 1: Ian Rich. He hasn't seen a six year old son,
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  Speaker 1: Maddox since Saturday. That's when Ian and his girlfriend took Maddox,
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  Speaker 1: who has autism and does not speak, to a local
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  Speaker 1: park where there is a track in the lake. A
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  Speaker 1: jogger passed by, and as he was jogging past us,
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  Speaker 1: that's one Maddox started the jog out behind him. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: usually just giving him a little space and let him
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  Speaker 1: do his thing. And once we got so far, he
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  Speaker 1: took off from a running and I just never could
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  Speaker 1: catch up with him. You're a girl, man, He's a
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  Speaker 1: little boy. How did he outrun you? He can wrong,
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  Speaker 1: he can wrong, okay, and I couldn't keep up with him,
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  Speaker 1: not that fast. You are hearing our friends at CBS
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  Speaker 1: News as David b Now interviewing Ian Rich, the father
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  Speaker 1: now desperate who loses track of his non verbal, autistic
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  Speaker 1: son there in Gastonia, North Carolina, a huge park. He
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  Speaker 1: says he's overwhelmed with guilt as the search for the
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  Speaker 1: six year old little boy Maddox goes on. I mean it,
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  Speaker 1: see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. We are bringing you the very latest, not
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  Speaker 1: only in the search for little Maddox, but the start
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  Speaker 1: of the hearings in d C for the next U. S.
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court Justice. A battle rages there as well. But
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  Speaker 1: right now to the search for Maddox. To Kathleen Murphy
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  Speaker 1: joining us there in North Carolina, Kathleen, what's happening? There
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  Speaker 1: are so many questions. So I went back and looked
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  Speaker 1: at all of the reports, and I pulled up an
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  Speaker 1: online satellite view of this park, and I'm at a
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  Speaker 1: law that his child not being found, and who is
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  Speaker 1: the person that was with this father? Why haven't we
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  Speaker 1: heard from them? Are the parents separated there and divorced
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  Speaker 1: because in all of the conversations I hear from the parents,
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  Speaker 1: it's never we mathematics, it's always I'm mathematics. And I
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  Speaker 1: just don't think there's a lot of information out there
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  Speaker 1: about what's really going on. Joining me also Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: host of Investigation Discoveries, Fatal Vows, pathologist and medical examiner.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Michelle Dupree. Dr Michelle recently publishing a book regarding
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  Speaker 1: a field guide to homicide Vincent Hill with me, cop
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  Speaker 1: turned private investigator, and of course Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: Also with me Jackie Howard and Alan Duke. To Dr
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  Speaker 1: Brian Russell, I don't feel that it's right to try
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  Speaker 1: and decipher what the parents are saying as to the
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  Speaker 1: state of their relation ship as they're looking for their
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  Speaker 1: little boy. Although Kathleen does have a point um now
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  Speaker 1: that she mentions it, I think she's right way in.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian, well, yeah, I understand exactly what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: because priority one is to find the child and get
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  Speaker 1: the child back safely. That's at all possible. However, any
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  Speaker 1: kind of discord between the parents is relevant to the
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  Speaker 1: extent that in some cases that becomes a motive for
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  Speaker 1: parental involvement in these kinds of things. Well, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: you're right. As much as it's a bitter peel, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like to hear it. You're right, Dr Russell, and
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  Speaker 1: you're right to Kathleen Um joining me, Dr Michelle Dupre
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  Speaker 1: and Vincent Hill Alan Jackie Howard to Dr Michelle Dupree,
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  Speaker 1: pathologist and medical examiner and author. Maddox has been missing
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  Speaker 1: since Saturday afternoon. That's six days. What does that mean, Nancy?
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  Speaker 1: It means that he's going to be extremely dehydrated. People
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  Speaker 1: can live without food for a much longer time than
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  Speaker 1: they can water. And a child on his own, especially
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  Speaker 1: a child with autism UM that may have difficulty this,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be extremely dangerous dehydration if what
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  Speaker 1: happens after six days without water? What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Dehydration is so dangerous Because of lack of water, you
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  Speaker 1: don't get enough substance to the cells, Your brain will
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  Speaker 1: tend to swell. Dwelling will cause you to pass out.
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  Speaker 1: When you pass out again, if you're not UM, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't receive water, UM and other medical attention, then
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  Speaker 1: the person could actually perish amidst the backdrop of question
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  Speaker 1: after question. Take a listen to Maddox's mother. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to thank each and every person who has reached
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  Speaker 1: out to me about Maddox wanting to help find him.
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  Speaker 1: I would appreciate it if you were at the park
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  Speaker 1: Saturday and saw Maddox. So please urgently, please call the tip.
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  Speaker 1: I'm please continue praying for him because I just want
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  Speaker 1: my baby home. Please, whatever you can do. Maddox is
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  Speaker 1: my whole world and my reason from living. He's Mama's boy.
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  Speaker 1: Maddox loves the park. He loves bouncy balls, and he
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  Speaker 1: loves his teddy beer. His smile so contagious and his
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  Speaker 1: laughter is so precious. If you think that you have
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  Speaker 1: seen Maddox, please reach out to police. Thank you all
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  Speaker 1: for your love and support, and I just want to
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  Speaker 1: say I want my baby back in my arms. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to this call an hour now everywhere Where's
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  Speaker 1: the last place seen him in the park? The one
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  Speaker 1: person says that the father was totally out of breath.
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  Speaker 1: To Vincent hill Cocked and private Eye, what does that
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  Speaker 1: say to you? Well, Nancy, would appear that either he
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  Speaker 1: was running after Madox, like he said, or you know,
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  Speaker 1: just scrambling around in this huge park to try to
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  Speaker 1: find his son. But what's interesting with this nine one
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  Speaker 1: one caller, Rick Fox, he did tell w s o
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  Speaker 1: CTV channel nine that he really, uh, Ian really didn't
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  Speaker 1: seem to be too concerned as he would be if
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  Speaker 1: he had a missing child. He didn't see like he
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  Speaker 1: was overly concerned that Maddox was even missing at that time.
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  Speaker 1: And that's very telling, Nancy. And not only that, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure there was more than one jogger in that park.
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  Speaker 1: You would assume these joggers would be coming forward saying, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I was in the park, I saw this kid. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to reflect on what you're saying, Vince Hill,
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  Speaker 1: and what you have heard and what it means. If anything,
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  Speaker 1: you're referring to a TV interview by who to whom
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  Speaker 1: about what I want to be very specific about what
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  Speaker 1: you heard. So Rick Fox, the the employee of the
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  Speaker 1: park who called nine one, he told w s o
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  Speaker 1: C TV channel nine there and I believe Gastonia that
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  Speaker 1: Ian did not seem to overly concerned. He didn't seem
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  Speaker 1: too stressed out as he would be if he had
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  Speaker 1: a missing child. So he was kind of suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: maybe ian Ian wasn't concerned that Maddox was missing at all.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's very telling for this man to say this.
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  Speaker 1: Who called nine on one? And you have to question
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  Speaker 1: as well, why didn't Ian at some point call nine
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  Speaker 1: one one forty minutes into this? He didn't act like
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  Speaker 1: a concerned parent, right, I would act on any concerned
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  Speaker 1: parent would act. The mother was really frantic, and see
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  Speaker 1: what she was like, hysterical And he got out of
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  Speaker 1: the car and you know, of course I know wanted us,
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  Speaker 1: Sir had it coming calm her. Okay, that is the
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  Speaker 1: sound that Vincent Hill is referring to. And this guy
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  Speaker 1: says he his name is Rick Fox, and he is
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  Speaker 1: the one that you heard on the nine one one
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  Speaker 1: call that afternoon after the park's office alerts nine one
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  Speaker 1: one that the boy is missing. He said the dad
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  Speaker 1: Ian approached him. He says, quote, he can't stop thinking
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  Speaker 1: about that day. The dad approached me and said he
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  Speaker 1: lost his kid. I said, when was the last time
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  Speaker 1: you saw him? He said that they were coming around
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  Speaker 1: the track and Maddox got away from him. The dad says,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say he's been gone almost an hour. We've searched
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  Speaker 1: everywhere it goes on, and he says the mom is
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  Speaker 1: frantic and hysterical. She got out of the car and
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  Speaker 1: one of the sheriff's deputies had to go calm her down.
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  Speaker 1: As to the dad, he did not act like a
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  Speaker 1: concerned parent like I would act, or any concerned parent
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  Speaker 1: would act. Okay, that's the very first time I've been
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  Speaker 1: on the dad's side from the get go. But Kathleen Murphy,
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  Speaker 1: I've I've got to be realistic and look at this objectively.
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  Speaker 1: That was the first impression of someone on the same Kathleen.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many questions, and I want to go
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  Speaker 1: back to this third party because if the child was
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  Speaker 1: never at the park and was murdered by somebody before that,
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  Speaker 1: who is this third party? Why hasn't that person spoken out?
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  Speaker 1: And the behaviors of this father. I saw his interview
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  Speaker 1: on the news station and there was something that concerned
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  Speaker 1: to me about it, so that I went on and
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  Speaker 1: did a satellite you of this park. There's a police
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  Speaker 1: firing range near this park. There's a Wendy's restaurant near
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  Speaker 1: this part. There are so many places where this child
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  Speaker 1: would have been seen, yet nobody reports seeing this child.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. It's the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: who is burned alive and the story of the man
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: accused of this heinous crime. Is that the right guy
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  Speaker 1: on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And how does such a horrific crime occur? With more
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: questions than answers, this is the case that has captured
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and leaves a small
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: town divided. This is a must see TV event. It
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: features exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on unspeakable crime,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The Killing of Jessica Chambers, Saturdays at seven Central on Oxygen,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the new network for crime Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: From Way was he from you? He was he? He
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  Speaker 1: initially took off just a little ways, maybe thirty ft
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  Speaker 1: from me, and then he went to a major sprint
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  Speaker 1: after that. And that's whenever I took off run and
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  Speaker 1: after him, I was giving him just a little leeway freedom.
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  Speaker 1: He likes playing outside. He enjoys the outdoors, so I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted him to have fun. Worry. I started worrying
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  Speaker 1: once I got back and didn't see him anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: once I got to where the office is, you can
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  Speaker 1: see that there's the parking lot right there and you
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  Speaker 1: can still go around the lake. So once I couldnot
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  Speaker 1: see him anymore, that's when I got scared of from
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  Speaker 1: the way because the history of he usually runs, but
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  Speaker 1: he'll slow down or stop to give me a chance
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  Speaker 1: to go pick him up a lot. That was our
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  Speaker 1: very first time I've ever gone there. That is the
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  Speaker 1: father speaking in the last hours that a news conference.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us right now. We are taking your calls crime
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  Speaker 1: Heather in Batton Rage High Heather, what's your question, dear
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  Speaker 1: hi um? I actually i've heard you guys asking who
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  Speaker 1: is the person, the other person, the third party that
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  Speaker 1: was with him. I actually watched a report from CBS
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  Speaker 1: last night, guy named David I don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: say his last name, big Nod or something, and he
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  Speaker 1: said that the third party was the father's girlfriend of
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  Speaker 1: two months. Okay, stay right there, Heather, stay right there.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell. That has been my suspicion that it
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  Speaker 1: was a girlfriend, and I'll tell you why, because the
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  Speaker 1: friend remained unnamed and never came forward to to stay
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  Speaker 1: what happened. Well, it sounds totally plausible. I didn't hear
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  Speaker 1: that report on CBS, so I can't comment on the
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  Speaker 1: accuracy of the reporting, but it sounds I think your
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  Speaker 1: theory makes sense. What, if anything, does that mean to
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  Speaker 1: the scenario. Dr Russell, Well, I don't know that it
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  Speaker 1: means anything necessarily, but it certainly does. Uh. It does
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  Speaker 1: add another dimension to the story, and it adds all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of suspicions then running through my mind, not suspicions,
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  Speaker 1: and it runs all kinds of theories through my mind
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  Speaker 1: about how potential discord between the parents could, in some cases,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily this one end up being a motivator of
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  Speaker 1: parental involvement in the child going missing. According to the father,
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  Speaker 1: he has taken to polygraph tests and pass but the
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  Speaker 1: FBI is not confirming. Now police say that they want
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  Speaker 1: to talk to the person who was sitting wearing camouflage
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  Speaker 1: hat and taking a silver kayak out of the lake
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  Speaker 1: at the time he went missing. The lake is still
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  Speaker 1: being drained. To Dr Michelle dupree. If matox has wandered
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  Speaker 1: into that lake, is there going to be any way
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  Speaker 1: to determine cause of death? Yes, Sansy, there very well. Maybe.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Of course, if it's a case of drowning, we can
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: certainly determine that. If there are other signs of abuse,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: say blant trauma or anything else, we will likely be
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: able to tell that through in autopsy. And when you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: say trauma, how could you tell that if a body
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: has been submerged for hours or days even there will
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: be UM signs of that on the body. Physical science,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: for example, bruises. Water does not cover up bruises UM.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: That's blood in the tissues surrounding the injury. UM, any
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: kind of fractures will certainly be able to determine any
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: kind of UM, blontenforced trauma, any of that. We should
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: still be able to determine some of our stopsies. You know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to Nashville p d turn private investigator Vincent Hill, we've
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: been studying the aerial map along with Kathleen Murphy. What
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: she is saying, if you look at the overhead, She's right,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: there are all these establishments right around the part. What
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: does that mean? Interpret that for me? In terms Vincent
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Hill of finding the boy. Well, man, she she's absolutely right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, quite frankly, someone sort of seen Little Maddox.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And the biggest problem I have with this scenario, Nancy
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: is Ian says he was ahead of him, then he
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: took off in a full sprint. But looking at the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: aerial footage, there's really no area where he would have
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: lost sight a little Maddox. And he never once said
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I lost sight of him at this park that he
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: went to for the very very first time, and then
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: his son goes missing at this park. But in in theory,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: if even if he takes off in a full sprint,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: he still should have had visual on his son. I mean,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and he looks like he's in pretty good shape. He's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: not six pounds and he can't run, So I don't
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: understand that. Well. Now, in just the last hour, the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: nine one one caller is now saying he doesn't believe
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the six year old boy was ever even at the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: park when he went missing. That's a very very serious
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: allegations have released that nine on one call May nearly
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: an hour after Little Maddix goes missing. It is a
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: guy named Rick Fox who works there at rankin Lake
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Park who made the nine on one call, and he
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: is now saying he doesn't believe the boy was ever there.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: He says, quote it didn't look as though they were
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that concern of the boy's father and girlfriend who was
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: with him at the park. He goes on to say, quote,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I've worked there almost three years. We see everybody come
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in and out of that park pretty much. I did
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: not see that kid one time. What does this mean?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: What if anything doesn't mean to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: joining us on the scene, what does it mean, Kathleen?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: It means that another case of Mariah Wood. Mariah would
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: went missing out of her home in the middle of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the night, and the father was eventually with a boyfriend,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: was eventually charged with her murder. And that's what I
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: believe because I'm looking and I agree with you Ben
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: it there there's no way that this child was out
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: of visual sight from his father. Okay, wait a minute,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: right there, right there, hold on, I've taken my twins
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: hiking in the woods many, many times. A little known fact.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Over the summer in college, I made my living as
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a hike master. I take them on hikes religiously. They
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: will get far. They will get ahead of me. Not far,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: but they will get ahead of me. They'll turn a bend.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And when that happens, I take off running. And I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: hate to tell him slow down, slow down, slow down.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: When they're having fun, I take off after them. And
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: for those few moments it's scary. But I'm having a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: hard time understanding how we got away that fast. To Kathleen, Yeah,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: there's no there's there's there's no very few beds around
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: this leg. He says. He was right across the lake
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: from the pier. If you look at the satellite view
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of the lake, across from the pier is a long, long,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: long road with no bends. And I'm gonna tell you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: what if I have a six year old autistic child
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a flash of my eyes, and if I can't see
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: my child in that period of time, Hell's gonna break loose. Well,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, you know what happened to me. It
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: happened to me inside a Big Baby's rus superstore when
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I was looking. Jackie's laughing here in the studit because
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: she's heard it. It makes me almost almost makes me nauseous.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Dr Brian. I was squatting down on the very bottom
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: shelf on the floor, practically looking for organic suntan lotion.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But don't even bother And I asked quite long story.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I had John David Lucy with me. They were only
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: two and a half maybe at the time, and they
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: were wearing those little crocs that are silent, and I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: stood up after not finding anything. Irritated, I turned around.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: There's Lucy just staring at me, and John David's gone.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Just like Adam Walsh. I nearly had a heart attack.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I grabbed Lucy like a football quarterback under my arm
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and took off running, screaming. And of course we've found him.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: He had just wandered off like three miles, three aisles away,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and it was that fast. It was that fast. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: want to defend the father, but my main concern here,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell is finding the child. Yeah, and I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: think that reaction that you had is uh the normal
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: reaction that we would expect from any parent in that situation.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And it is interesting that this employee of the park
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: is saying that there was no sign of that kind
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: of concern, that level of concern coming out of the father.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I know that a lot of times you hear psychologists say, well,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody reacts differently to things, and you can't
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: really read anything into somebody's reaction just because it's not yours. Yeah,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you can sometimes tip line in the search formatics seven
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: O four eight six nine zero seven five seven O
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: four eight six nine one zero seven five And now
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to Washington. You have categorically denied that this happened. Did
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: anything happen? No, I've never sexually assaulted anyone, not in
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: high school, not ever. I've always treated women with dignity
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and respect. Listen to the people who have known me
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: best through my whole life, the women who have known
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: me since high school, who overnight signed a letter from
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: high school saying I always treated them with dignity and respect.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: You are hearing the sound of potential Supreme Court Justice
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh. The battle starting now officially, although it's been
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: being ways for weeks on end, with one woman claiming
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: she and her family have now had to move to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a safe house after she emerges with claims this Supreme
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Court justice nominee sexually assaulted her in high school. Opening
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: statements now joining me right now, Shawn Walsh Daily Mail
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: dot Com sean she has provided a written statement ahead
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of time about what she plans to say. Generally, what
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: do you think, Sean, Nancy, this is going to be
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: one of those days that goes down in history. The
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: world will be watching as the testimony, Jeweling testimony occurs today.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And in that statement she provides intivid detail her recollection
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of the night she alleges brick Kavanaugh actually assaulted her
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: at a high school party. Now, let me talk about
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: what she is alleging. She is not alleging a rape.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: She is uh had been. She was a teenager. She
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: had been swimming almost every day at a community pool,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and she went to an all girls school and they
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: would get together with the all boys schools, various schools
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: in the area. And this was an impromptu Hey let's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: go over to this house after swimming, and a group
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of teens went there. There were no parents, everyone was drinking.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: She had one beer, according to her. And I'm talking
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: about Dr Christine Blasi for this is what I've learned
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: about her. You know what, I'll let you talk about it, Sean.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: What do we know about her background? We know quite
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a bit about her background. I mean, this is a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: woman who, it seems the first was kind of reluctant
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to reveal herself publicly, but now she said she will
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and she's doing that today. She seemed like a studious
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: girl who knew Brett Havana have to go to a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: party with him, and I can get into those details
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of the party, Nancy, if you'd like of what she said,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Yes, I do want that. But Sean,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you know what. I appreciate you being a crack reporter
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and the force behind Daily mel TV. I really do.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But could you please be responsive to my question? You're
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: on a direct a response. Okay, that's what I typically
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: do in court, but I'll go easy on you. I'm
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: talking about her. This is what I know. Correct me
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, Sean. While she just can't wait to
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: jump into the sex assault allegation, I understand how she
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: grew up in the suburbs of DC. She went to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: hold an Arms School in Bethesda from a eighty four.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: It's an all girls school um that started way back
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in nineteen o one. The girls there would become friendly
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with boys from the all boys school, the Land of School,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Georgetown Prep, Gonzaga High School, a lot of places our
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: family could never afford and I think you're with me
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: on that, but in in a lot of story short
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that's how they met on that you know, teen circuit.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So that year um and freshman sophomore years fourteen fifteen,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: she intersected with Brett and his friends for a short
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: period of time and it leads him up to the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Maryland swimming pool party. One day now, that summer day,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: after swimming, she goes to a gathering at a home
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in Chevy Chase. It's the Bethesda area. There were four
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: boys she remembers being there, Brett Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, P. J. Smith,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and another boy whose name she doesn't recall. That's how
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that evening started. But what I want to talk about
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: is who she is. This woman is no idiot. Now
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: does that matter in the big ski, No, But what
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is she can't hold down the position she
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: has with being a complete fly by night. All right, Um,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it's Christine Blasi Ford a professor of psychology at Palo
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Alto University, a research psychologist at Stanford University of Medicine,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: undergrad University North Carolina, degree in Experimental psychology, master's degree
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: in ninety one clinical psychology at Pepperdine then a pH
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: d in Educational psychology University Southern California, master's degree in
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: a epidemiology at Stanford University School of Medicine. She's been
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: married to one man since two thousand two and they
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: have two children. Before I go to Shawn Walsh about
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the attack, the alleged attack, Dr Michelle Dupree, what does
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: that mean that you have your pH d and epidemiology?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: What is that, Nancy? Epidemology is really um statistics. It
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: tells us um where we can find that diseases began.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: It's more of a community public health type of degree.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: It's very intensive. It has a lot of statistics in
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: it and requires a lot of work. Epidemiology. You know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: for some reason many people believe that that is a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: branch of uh study of medicine. But you're saying it
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: deals with statistically analyzing epidemics, medical epidemics. Is that right?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: That's right? It does. Like ebola or the plague that's
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about, Okay, I got it? Or food poisoning.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Where did that food poisoning? The outbreak a car? Okay?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: All right, you just clarified a lot for me and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: trying to understand who this woman is very analytical background. Okay,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Sean Walsh Dei email dot com, Daily Mail TV. Yes,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you're a superstar. You're not. At the start of day, Sean,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I hate to break it to you. She is. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: there was a mysterious note placed in front of her
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: seat where she is testifying in front of the Senate
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee that says, good luck, doctor Ford. Okay, Now,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: how do the attack, the alleged attack go down? Because
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: she was wearing a one piece swimsuit underneath shorts in
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a shirt. How did it happen? Okay? So let me
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: take you through what um. You've named all of the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: people that said they were there, and she also says
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that a friend by the name of leyland Ingham was
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: attending as well. She's very clear on saying that she
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: does not remember all of the details of how the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: gathering came together, but like many of that summer, it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was one of those spur of the moment things that
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that happened, and we all remember when were kids, the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: party would happen you turned up. She says that she
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: wishes she could provide more details to all of those
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: questions about how she got to the party, where it
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: took place, but she just doesn't have those answers. Well,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: hold on, let me call you just right there, Dr
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Russell. That's not my high school experience. That's neither
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: here nor there. But she the significance in our backtrack
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to Sean, Dr Brian, is that the reason she says
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: she didn't come forward to start with is she didn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: want her parents to know she went to a party
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: without telling them, unsupervised and there was a beer there,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: which I can tell you many children in America around
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the world have on the very Sean walls. You are not,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell. Hold on a moment, Dr Brian Russell,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: jump in before Sean starts a game. Place. This uh
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: spectacle that you're seeing today is the reason why, if
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you didn't know in high school or middle school, why
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you were assigned to read Arthur Miller's The Crucible, the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: play The Crucible. This is the reason, and you should
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: go back and read it now. In this context, if
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: an accuser chooses to keep quiet for years and years,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that's fine, that's their prerogative, although I have to note
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: that that does if the accuser believes their story. Uh,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that does leave a perpetrator at least they someone they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: believe as a perpetrator out there running around potentially able
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to victimize other people. But if they want to keep that, uh,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: if they want to keep quiet about that, the law
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: allows them to do that. But at some point, for
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: most alleged wrongdoings, it becomes unreasonable to expect this xiety
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to a sort out what happened with enough certainty to
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: effectuate any justice, and therefore unreasonable for society to even
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: entertain the allegation. And I think that's where we are
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: on this. And if I were on that committee today,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: with all of the various inconsistencies and the whole that
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: there are more holes and that I could drive my
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: big SUV through the holes in this story, my question
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: would be, uh, man, thank you for coming here today.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: If anything you've said here today can be proven false,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: do you agree that you should be prosecuted to the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: fullest extent of the law for perjury. Well, actually, Sean
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Walsh daily mail dot com. She has mentioned the incident
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: over the years, and I'm still circling back to Sean,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: believe it or not. I'm sorry I interrupted, but she
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: did tell what they were building her house. She insisted
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: on a double front door, two front door so people
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: could get out, and she told her husband about it
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: then when they first built their house. Over the years,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: she has told select people about it, not always mentioning
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: his name. But again I've misdirected Sean back to the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: actual incident. What does she say happened? Sure, Nancy, Um,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you're correct, And I think one thing we should also
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: point out is that her parents were Bush Conservatives, so
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: she didn't come from a family of Democrats like people think.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It's been reported that her parents were Bush Conservatives back
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in the era, so there's a bit of that. Because
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: this is a very much a partisan This is very
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: much a partisan day, and regardless of where you sit
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in the political spectrum, there's always going to be a
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt of accusations that are made during
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: this period because there's someone who has been vetted very
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: much over their career, as Kavana has, and so it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: is worth noting she does come from a family of conservatives. Well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Sean Watts, once again I've asked you what happened, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: somehow you've managed to do a deep dive and family politics.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: What I want to know are, what are the facts
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Deshan what daily mail dot com The hearing is happening now.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I want to go finally go through the facts. Go ahead, Sean. Okay. So.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: She says that when she got to the small gathering,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: people were drinking beer in a small living room on
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the first floor of the house. She says that she
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: drank one beer that evening and that Brett and Mark,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: two of the people there, were visibly drunk. Early in
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the evening, she had gone up a narrow settle stairs
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: leading from the living room to a second floor to
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: use the bathroom. When she got to the top of
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the stairs, she claims she was pushed from behind into
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a bedroom. She couldn't see who pushed her, but Brett
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and Mark allegedly came into the bedroom and locked the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: door behind them. She says there was music playing in
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the bedroom. It was turned up louder, but she doesn't
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: know who turned up the music. Once Brett and Mark
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: were in the room, she says she was pushed onto
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the bed and Brett got on top of her. She
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: alleges that he began running his hands over her body
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and grinding his hips on top on her. She says
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: she yelled think that someone downstairs might hear her, and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: she tried to get away from him, but she says
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that his weight was heavy. He groped her and tried
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to take off her clothes. She alleges she said he
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: had a hard time because she was because he was
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: so drunk, and because she was wearing a one piece
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: bathing suit under her clothing. She believed that he was
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: going to rape her. She said she tried to yell
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for help. When she did, she claims that he put
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: his hand over her mouth to to to stop her
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: from screaming. She says this is what terrified her the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: most and that she had them and this had the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: most lasting impact on her life. She claims it was
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: difficult for her to breathe and that she thought Brett
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: was actually evently going to kill her. She said both
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Brett and Mark were drunkenly laughing during the attack that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: she is alleging. She also says that both seemed to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: be having a good time. Mark was urging Brett on
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and at times he told Brett to stop. She said
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a couple of times made eye contact with Mark and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: thought he might try and help her, but she claims
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: he did not. She said during this assault. Mark came
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: over and jumped on the bed twice while Brett was
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  Speaker 1: on top of her. The last time he did this,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: they toppled over and Brett was no longer on top
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: of her. She says that she was then able to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: get up and run out of the room. Directly across
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: her in the bedroom was a small bathroom. She says
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that she ran inside and locked the door. She heard
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Breton Mark leave the bedroom, laughing and loudly walking down
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the narrow stairs, pinballing off the walls on the way down.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: She says she waited, and when she did not hear
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: from them, she came back up the stairs. She left
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the bedroom, ran down the stairs, through the living room,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and left the house. She says she remembers being on
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the street and filling an enormous sense of relief that
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: she had escaped from the house and that Breton Mark
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: were not coming after her. She says that the assault
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: drastically altered her life. She said for a very long
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: time she was too afraid and too ashamed to tell
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: anyone the details. She said she did not want to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: tell her parents that at the age of fifteen, I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: was in a house without any parents present, drinking beer
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: with boys. She tried to convince herself that because Brett
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: did not rape her, she should be able to move
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: on and just pretend that it did not happen. She said.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Over the years, she told very few friends that she
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: had had this traumatic experience. You know. According to Dr four,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: she told her husband before they were married that she
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: had been sex assaulted. It did not tell the details
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: during until May two thousand twelve and a couple's counseling session,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and it came up because they had done this extensive
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: remodel on their home and she was insisting on that
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: second front door. Sean Waltz, Daily Mail dot Com and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail TV explain why second door to the remodeling
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of the home was so so critical. She said that
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: she wanted to have a second front door because the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: boy that assaulted her, that she alleges assaulted her, could
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: one day be on the Supreme Court, and she wanted
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: extra safety in her house. The husband recalls that at
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: that time, which was May two thousand and twelve, she
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: named her attack as Brett Kavanaugh. Sean Walsh part, I'm
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: torn on this and I'll tell you why, because I
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: want the truth and I don't care if she's telling
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the truth or not telling the truth. I just want
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: to know the truth. He does he have any other
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: incidents like this in his background? I want to know that,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: because what I know about her is that she has none,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and as a matter of fact, I know that this
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: has been a great personal sacrifice to her Seawan Walsh
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: daily mail dot Com. Of course, she tried to keep
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: her identity secret, but it wasn't long before it leaked out.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And what has happened since then. In the last couple
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of weeks, there are now two new accusers that have
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: come forward with allegations against Brett Kavanaugh and um. Their
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: stories are both detail ass you know, Nancy, and they're
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: also being heavily vetted by people like daily mail dot com.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have extensive reporting today about the new
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: accuser that came forward overnight. So Nancy, there is a
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: lot of other information coming through. And what I'm saying
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: is she's had to come she came forward, and now
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: she's being attacked and maligned online and the family had
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to move out of the house. You've got two kids exactly.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: She says that she's now in a safe house because
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of this. I mean, so I mean, when you're making
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: accusations like this, that I mean, if we go back
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: just to She says in therapy session she had done
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: her best to suppress the memories of the assault. Before
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: recounting the details caused to her, and she said reliving
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the experience of course panic attacks anxiety. She occasionally she
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: will discuss the assaulting individual therapy, but talking about it
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: caused her to relive the trauma, so she tried not
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to think about it or discuss it. She says over
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the years, she went through periods where she thought about
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: breast attack and she confided in some clothes ends about
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the experience. Occasionally she'd say that the assailant was a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: prominent lawyer or judge, but she would not use his name.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: She says she doesn't recall each person she spoke to
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: about britsassault, and that some friends have reminded her of
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: these conversations since the Washington Post broke the story of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: September sixteen, but she said about until July, she had
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: never named Mr Kavanaugh as her attacker outside of therapy,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: but she says this all changed in July eighteen. She
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: saw the press reports stating that Britt Kavanaugh was on
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the shortlist of potential Supreme Court nominees, so she then
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: felt it was her civic duty to relay the information
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: she had about Mr. Kavana's conduct to those considering his
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: potential nomination. And now, Nancy, let's listen to a crucial
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: segment of Dr Christine blaisie Ford's opening statement to the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary Committee. There were four boys I remember specifically
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: being at the house, Brett Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, appointing PJ,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and one other boy whose name I cannot recall. I
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: also remember my friend Leland attending. I do not remember
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: all of the details of how that gathering came together,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: but like many that summer, it was almost surely a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: spur of the moment gathering. I truly wish I could
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: be more helpful with more detailed answers to all of
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the questions that have and will be asked about how
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I got to the party, and where it took place
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and so forth. I don't have all the answers, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I don't remember as much as I would like to,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: but the details that about that night that bring me
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: here today are the ones I will never forget. They
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: have been seared into my memory and have haunted me
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: episodically as an adult. When I got to the small gathering,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: people were drinking beer in a small living room family
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: room type area on the first floor of the house.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I drank one beer. Brett and Mark were visibly drunk.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Early in the evening, I went up a very narrow
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: set of stairs leading from the living room to a
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: second floor to use the restroom. When I got to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the top of the stairs, I was pushed from behind
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: into a bedroom across from the bathroom. I couldn't see
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: who pushed me. Brett and Mark came into the bedroom
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: and locked the door behind them. There was music playing
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: in the bedroom. It was turned up louder by either
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Brett or Mark. Once we were in the room, I
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: was pushed onto the bed and Brett got on top
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of me. He began running his hands over my body
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and grinding into me. I yelled, hoping that someone downstairs
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: might hear me, and I tried to get away from him,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: but his weight was heavy. Brett groped me and tried
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to take off my clothes. He had a heart time
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: because he was very inebriated, and because I was wearing
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a one piece bathing suit underneath my clothing. I believed
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: he was going to rape me. I tried to yell
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: for help. When I did, Brett put his hand over
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: my mouth to stop me from yelling. This is what
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: terrified me the most and has had the most lasting
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: impact on my life. It was hard for me to breathe,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and I thought that Brett was accidentally going to kill me.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Both Brett and Mark were drunkenly laughing during the attack.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: They seemed to be having a very good time. Mark
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: seemed ambivalent, at times urging Brett on and at times
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: telling him to stop. A couple of times I made
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a contact with Mark and thought he might try to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: help me, but he did not. During this assault, Mark
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: came over and jumped on the bed twice while it
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: was on top of me, and the last time that
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: he did this, we toppled over and Brett was no
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: longer on top of me. I was able to get
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: up and run out of the room. Directly across from
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the bedroom was a small bathroom. I ran inside the
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: bathroom and locked the door. I waited until I heard
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Brett and Mark leave the bedroom laughing, and loudly walked
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: down the narrow stairway, pinballing off the walls on the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: way down. I waited, and when I did not hear
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: them come back up the stairs, I left the bathroom,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: went down the same stairwall through the living room, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: left the house. I remember being on the street and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: feeling this enormous sense of relief that I escaped that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: house and that Brett and Mark were not coming outside
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: after me. Brett's assault on me drastically altered my life.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: For a very long time, I was too afraid and
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: ashamed to tell anyone these details. I did not want
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to tell my parents that I, at age fifteen, was
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: in a house without any parents present, drinking beer with boys.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I convinced myself that because Brett did not rape me,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I should just move on and just pretend that it
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: didn't happen. Over the years, I told very very few
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: friends that I had this traumatic experience. I told my
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: husband before we were married that I had experienced a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: sexual assault. I had never told the details to anyone,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the specific details until May two thousand twelve, during a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: couple's counseling session. The reason this came up in counseling
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: is that my husband and I had completed a very extensive,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: very long remodel of our home, and I insisted on
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a second front door. Were an idea that he and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: others disagreed with and could not understand. And explaining why
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I wanted a second front door, I began to describe
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the assault in detail. I recall saying that the boy
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: who assaulted me could someday be on the U. S.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and spoke a bit about his background at
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: an elitist all boys school in Bethess to Maryland. My
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: husband recalls that I named my attacker as Brett Kavanaugh.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Right now, it's all unfolding in front of the Senate
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee as we speak. Nancy Grace crime story, signing off,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,